thats also something I'd like potentially in Ed5
#is-station
cold fjord
It is an absolute design failure
stray dove
where you are collateral
wanton rose
at most i leak like 1 or 2 on that stage 
am i goated
arctic panther
where you are collateral
isnt that just is4 ed5
nocturne cape
at most i leak like 1 or 2 on that stage <:ReedBean:1151601576700559390>
am i go...
EM?
who do you even draft
sick mason
IS4 has no ending 5
stray dove
you guys really keep thinking IS4 had a 5th ending huh
nocturne cape
like Ines every single run?
arctic panther
who do you even draft
raidian
cold fjord
but yeah is4 ed4 is very cool
nocturne cape
yep good luck using Raidian here
wanton rose
no my vg goto is canta
nocturne cape
invisible Fasting mudering everyone real fast
cold fjord
yes
stray dove
I want Ines purely to combat that annoying Shanhaizong map, anti-Thief in 4 Difficulties, and to fight invis on Wang's fight
me looking at my floor debuffs before I do FO
nocturne cape
unlit sparks is still difficult even with ines drafted
especially under ed3 debuff
stray dove
ed3 debuffs is rough
wanton rose
i am worried about em unlit sparks raidianless tho
sick mason
Purestream at the center or Kal'tsit healing from above....
nocturne cape
what even is your placement with Raidian to make the stage trivial
you just let the fastings cook?
wanton rose
no i never let the fasting past the dragon spawner thing
wanton rose
nuuh
stray dove
holy shit, FO losing because ed3 debuffs make everything so slow
nocturne cape
and theres no deployable melee tile
nocturne cape
next to the red box
nocturne cape
LMAO
wanton rose
nice
stray dove
lets see if I can even get the final piece of Wang's route
sick mason
Bet your ass wanted this xixixi
stray dove
oh i wish
prime mountain
is this a lobster
stray dove
ok this run is over
me having the frozen coin
doesn't help
and i can't remove it due to the run giving me worse coins
arctic panther
is this a lobster
no thats ā¬ ā¬ ā¬ ā¬ ā¬
wanton rose
clam
stray dove
you need to die
faint rampart
ed2+3 relicless possible?
||totally not asking cuz i only have 20~ on f5 and no major dmg buffs 
||
stray dove
I need those!
halcyon flame
nocturne cape
ed2+3 relicless possible?
||totally not asking cuz i only have 20~ on f5 and no...
There is not a single ed3 relicless record
halcyon flame
There is not a single ed3 relicless record
stray dove
Only took 1400 hours of sui triggers
Leader squad, and go straight to F2?
halcyon flame
Yes
steel relic
<:Binoculars:1424838425248534528>
become the change you want to see
stray dove
no luck so fucking far
faint rampart
There is not a single ed3 relicless record
oh so its only possible for ed1 (and maybe 2?) i guess
halcyon flame
become the change you want to see
Spend weeks theorizing a slop 13 op clear for relicless into it becoming null when D18 drops
faint rampart
guess thats a sign to end this run
halcyon flame
Excellent
sick mason
FUCK why the heck bloodshed spill and stove alight coins have to appear at the same time
And it also appeared right before Wang stage too
nocturne cape
oh so its only possible for ed1 (and maybe 2?) i guess
1, 2 and 4 are done for is6
Iirc 1 is 2 ops, 2 is 5 ops and 4 is 8 ops
prime mountain
Kinda funny that ed3 is easiest with relic but hasnt been done relicless 
The dragons are too much to fight prob
that or like nobody cares
nocturne cape
Its mainly the debuff relics
prime mountain
Oh right cause you need to do en route relicless too
Which would suck even more now
sick mason
Kinda funny that ed3 is easiest with relic but hasnt been done relicless <:OMEGA...
Would it count easier or harder than ed4?
nocturne cape
2+3 is harder than 2+4
prime mountain
does Wang's debuff relics counter the starting SP relics?
its 50% of final sp
So you get half benefit
inland elbow
There is not a single ed3 relicless record
We can slop a 13 op out ez trust
nocturne cape
We can slop a 13 op out ez trust
Yeah i have no doubt in that
sick mason
What actually makes ed4 much easier than ed3?
nocturne cape
I think the main reason why there hasnāt been any record is because no one wants to post a 12 ops clear
sick mason
Unlike the fucking IS5 case
stray dove
i think another consideration with Wang's challenge is to make sure everyone you need is candled WHILE sacrificing a Pathfinder node just to get the final relic route
prime mountain
I think the main reason why there hasnāt been any record is because no one wants...
And nobody is grinding for less?
inland elbow
The boss just sits there
stray dove
is Ed4 candle-only?
nocturne cape
And nobody is grinding for less?
Too hard
faint rampart
1, 2 and 4 are done for is6
i see
inland elbow
The boss just sits there
Has barely any defences, you just hit it until it finally dies
nocturne cape
Ed4 doesnt have -init sp and bleed
prime mountain
Too hard
bruh we had people do first phase of amiya relicless, this cant be the reason
sick mason
Ed4 doesnt have -init sp and bleed
What does it have?
faint rampart
Iirc 1 is 2 ops, 2 is 5 ops and 4 is 8 ops
wha even limiting ops
prime mountain
Iirc 1 is 2 ops, 2 is 5 ops and 4 is 8 ops
Do you have 5 ops ed2 I wanna see that
inland elbow
Relicless players kinda have a huge ego
stray dove
bruh we had people do first phase of amiya relicless, this cant be the reason
Wang's debuff can kill your ops with no healing included.
inland elbow
So they'd rather have no record at all than post something they think sucks
stray dove
and slower skill time
sick mason
Fair enough the enemies would be tougher but at least we didn't get -50% initial SP
inland elbow
But I imagine a big factor is also knowing that all these records are going to be moot in less than a month
sick mason
And doesn't lose HP for the first 60 f-ing seconds
inland elbow
When d18 comes out
stray dove
thats why I only did D15 Ed1 clear
to unlock D16 in advance
no point doing ending clears in D15 only
for me
nocturne cape
Relicless players kinda have a huge ego
Huge ego bait?
inland elbow
Yeah I mean I'm on d6 bruh
faint rampart
first floor
surely this is the 2+3 run ive been waiting for
inland elbow
I'm anton ego fr
inland elbow
Huge ego bait?
That was partially a joke but has a kernel of truth
Like there's a few records that aren't done
stray dove
Cube, what do you prio to remove? Northern or Southern?
halcyon flame
Just look ED3 record in IS3
inland elbow
And it's just because no one wants to bring in 13 ops to claim it
Like is5 ed2a or 1a
halcyon flame
Mfers are using kaltsit s3 and Mlynar to tank still
inland elbow
The ed3 one is like the edge of slop
halcyon flame
Edge of dawn no way?
stray dove
first floor
surely this is the 2+3 run ive been waiting for<:GoldenglowSad:1054...
I've had an ASPD run with not an ounce of DPS relics
halcyon flame
Fire emblem reference 
stray dove
didn't do well but it killed furniture like a mofo
inland elbow
But yeah em ooc is an example of "people think 5 op is pretty easy, but 4 op is impossible"
Or 3 op chilling curse and hunting group
4 op is trivial
But 3 op is making me mald
faint rampart
I've had an ASPD run with not an ounce of DPS relics
avg is6 run giving me hope that its gonna work this timeš¬
halcyon flame
And crit harder
inland elbow
Bro
faint rampart
(it wont, it doesn't)
inland elbow
Petition to delete two of the ice cleavers off the map
halcyon flame
Signed
inland elbow
And the stage would be solved!
halcyon flame
Actually that reminds me
stray dove
@nocturne cape Northern or Southern prio?
halcyon flame
Senz jokingly made a comment about making you grind 2 op territorial with zuo le rng
inland elbow
Yep kill
stray dove
don't remind me. when I was doing Ed3/Ed4 D18 IS3, WFU kicked my ass especially since my squad didn't solve it at all
and there's not enough LP to leak with
faint rampart
getting this in shop is like
halcyon flame
getting this in shop is like<:SoraWow:649634512493346840>
You can buy antique coin in shop for 8 ingots as well
stray dove
it's for Nian Desires
halcyon flame
8 for 10 what. Good deal
faint rampart
You can buy antique coin in shop for 8 ingots as well
raw vault
my biggest lucksacc was chalice dropping in the first F1 fight
sick mason
Heh same
sick mason
Truly IS6 experience
stray dove
just D12 anyways so a -1 leak is acceptable. I did a decent S1 summon rotation.
nice practice at least
sudden cloak
I wonder if D15 possible
stray dove
it is
just more leaks
talisman burns though
but if i do D15 onwards anyways
It's with Special Squad
arctic panther
usually I'm not a strong proponent of F1 shop rob
gentle pagoda
nice
slate hull
we are truly cooking with this one
stray dove
btw someone here mentioned that IS6 gets easier with Expansion 1
does that mean the new relics/coins are really good?
cause i was thinking expansion relics diluting the pool would make it harder
floral mist
does that mean the new relics/coins are really good?
Is not the relics and coins that make it easy
Is the QOL changes that comes with it
floral mist
don't tell me it's just Ed2 Legend...
stray dove
ah skill trees?
halcyon flame
Operators can be candle bearered by face off nodes
halcyon flame
Doubt nodes now have an additional easier condition to clear them
Such as āhave 2 or less bosky stepsā
rapid pulsar
Wait f6 doesnāt have guaranteed shop and pathfinder?
halcyon flame
And a bunch of other things
acoustic field
random archetto into god run
stray dove
Wait f6 doesnāt have guaranteed shop and pathfinder?
Pathfinder i always see
but only in one route
no shop though
rapid pulsar
Oh
floral mist
Wait f6 doesnāt have guaranteed shop and pathfinder?
Nope, you can actually see this because sometimes you did not get Pathfinder in F6
acoustic field
Wait f6 doesnāt have guaranteed shop and pathfinder?
nope
I got 4 encounter nodes F6
rapid pulsar
Makes sense
acoustic field
don't count on it being there
rapid pulsar
Iāve only done f6 once
faint rampart
random archetto into god run
omg rui
floral mist
And shops, I'm not sure if it's actually available in F6 currently
stray dove
good to know
acoustic field
<:SoraWow:649634512493346840> omg rui
hi
stray dove
Pathfinder F6 is not consistent
congrats on beating it
fiery plover
First time I ever tossed 3 flower coins
floral mist
The new 4 Ingots Relic allow you to make one Operator a Candleguest, that also means E2 starts are viable again
acoustic field
<:RosHi:954513503560036422> congrats on beating it
archetto is pretty fire I get it now
stray dove
Pathfinder and Bosky having their own verticals is just....yeah that's absolutely amazing. Makes Coupons even more useful
floral mist
There's also another Relic that allow you to enter Bosky right after buying it, it means more ways to gain relics, fast
floral mist
Pathfinder and Bosky having vertical paths indirectly means you're gotta be much more consistent at getting Pathfinder and Bosky in the same floor(especially when they increase the starting coupons now)
stray dove
F3 and F5 are the only bane anyways
faint rampart
archetto is pretty fire I get it now
shes fun yeah
+sp rec is always appreciated 
stray dove
in lining the 2 up
floral mist
Operators can be candle bearered by face off nodes
Like,
If I bought a Non-Candle Operator to the face off node and win, the said Operator will become Candlegust?
Wait, does it actually count toward the Bell of Agreement relic stacks?
halcyon flame
Yes
acoustic field
bruh what, this is so op
it really isn't
floral mist
Damn, that's OP bruh
stray dove
do shields count for "resisting" damage?
stray dove
so the anti-debuff?
steel relic
no
gentle pagoda
it really isn't
how so
stray dove
what are examples of "resist damage"
steel relic
Hoshiguma, Blitz etc. talents
gentle pagoda
100 dmg isnāt really that much
every second, it is
also it makes all apparitions a joke
steel relic
I believe resist prevents additional effects
as in elemental damage and stuff
while dodge only prevents the raw damage
acoustic field
how so
100 true damage isn't that much for it confining your ops to basically only vagary tiles
inland elbow
Free money
faint rampart
sick mason
With Raidian E1? 
gaunt bay
š¬
slate hull
these things are strong, even with raidian e2 the summons can't 1v1 them with s2 active
stray dove
i can't believe seeing this makes me more happy now with....context of Wang's debuffs
slate hull
these things are strong, even with raidian e2 the summons can't 1v1 them with s2...
unless you have relics, then they can
prime mountain
mfw the starter 18 ingots just gives them +90% hp/atk for no reason
Oh red, you've converted now havent you
not so much greed now is it
Something something 30% more of your ingots!
sick mason
They tore through Raidian summons like its nothing
steel relic
still greed
it's greed when it happens to other people but when it happens to me it's unfair and unwarranted
acoustic field
i can't believe seeing this makes me more happy now with....context of Wang's de...
this + automatic skill activation coin is ridiculous as all hell
it's permanently double SP gen with only 60% the SP cost
faint rampart
good job vigna
acoustic field
my favourite combo so far is the rope + redeploy cooldown though
stray dove
it's permanently double SP gen with only 60% the SP cost
well make sure to drop multiple ops at once
it's a race to whoever triggers it first
once someone does a skill
the relic turns off
is what it reads as
steel relic
I'm pretty sure it still shuts off snack basket if you use the auto skill coin on a manual skill
stray dove
when against Wang's debuffs
acoustic field
true
acoustic field
my favourite combo so far is the rope + redeploy cooldown though
like 2 second tragodia S2 cooldown
and it costs 0
stray dove
Interesting F3....
actually
I'm skipping the encounter
gonna go from below
and up to Scout
there's 2 fights below and I have 4 coupons
gentle pagoda
there's been worse
sick mason
Huh? ALL of them?
steel relic
sick mason
How interesting
acoustic field
acoustic field
How interesting
I love geist rope
gaunt bay
What a bunch of highrollers
arctic panther
law and order
stray dove
me seeing Mon3tr value as a single healer solution in Wang fight...
well, it does make laning below weirder
slate hull
s2 bounces are really nice
acoustic field
well, it does make laning below weirder
at one point I had fucking medic amiya solo healer
whatever works IG
S1 lasting 50 seconds is pretty neat
acoustic field
me seeing Mon3tr value as a single healer solution in Wang fight...
but also I did this again just today
guess the run
slate hull
I once did ed3 on d7 with no medics and only the 300 hp on kill relic to heal Raidian, never doing that again
partially because the relic rolls were insane and partially because I was insane that day for not using a candle on a healer
acoustic field
ED3 is very cool
exotic parcel
What does it mean with "Every new floor you enter"?
stray dove
f1, f2, f3, f4, f5, f6
acoustic field
would shifei border count once?
slate hull
one effect triggers with each floor
acoustic field
obviously not more than that cuz it ain't "new" after the 1st time
slate hull
so, f1 -9dp, f2 +2 limit etc.
exotic parcel
Oh ok, so I get one at random each floor, got it
exotic parcel
Oh, ok got it, thanks
slate hull
Oh ok, so I get one at random each floor, got it
no, not random, they all stack up, it just starts with the first effect in the list and then the others also kick in 1 by 1
exotic parcel
Thanks, so it cumulates
void root
sigh.....not you
The 2nd useless relic
stray dove
The 2nd useless relic
it can save a run
but stacking it is difficult
right now
i need to stack it
slate hull
there is the fear mask, the turtle that only triggers when you toss 3 risk coins and the calendar thing that only triggers when you toss 3 flower coins
stray dove
well guess what the OTHER option of the f3 boss relic was
the one other than Bells
btw is Charcoal Mask boss-tiered? Because that would be annoying in the pool indeed
although only shit luck is why Charcoal feels like shit
but I don't mind it sometimes
hell, it makes Shanhaizong map easier
slate hull
I think that mask unlocks after beating ending 3
because I remember beating ed3, getting the notification and being all like "there it is"
sinful sparrow
sigh.....not you
ā¦no?
you dont need too much operators for ending 3
You can just recruit them normally and candle them from combat 
stray dove
ā¦no?
no that's not the issue. It's surviving all the way to the fight that's rougher imo
dreamy rampart
how do you deal with the three on the middle, i have radian and tragodia
the reflect dmg is very frustrating
steel relic
is this just a normal spawning coin?
are you sure it's not one of the upgradable ones
stray dove
still, the more d12-tier ending clears i finish per squad, the less i have to think about using squads I'm not too fond of
compact gorge
sigh.....not you
Floor 6 has path finder stage
You can squeeze at least 80% atk
sinful sparrow
Its not guaranteed
nocturne cape
<@271757112894291974> Northern or Southern prio?
southern ofc
sinful sparrow
Good evening Cube
stray dove
and what non-candled ops i have
hell, i sometimes recruit ops fodder that's HP-tanky by nature
nocturne cape
mi hika
sinful sparrow
regardless of comp, you destroy Southern/West first
stray dove
Northern...
compact gorge
southern ofc
When you enter sui from safe house
How many candles do you get?
dreamy rampart
is radian and tragodia safe to deploy here on these 6 tiles?
compact gorge
3?
sinful sparrow
because one directly makes raidian piss, and the other makes enemies tankier and hit harder
nocturne cape
When you enter sui from safe house
How many candles do you get?
3
stray dove
i confused Northern with West
nocturne cape
its technically 2 but squad effect gives an additional 1
sinful sparrow
north is mvspd
east is res
south is def
west is hp/atk
stray dove
is radian and tragodia safe to deploy here on these 6 tiles?
depends where the porcupines are facing. Mostly no
nocturne cape
so use 1 voucher + 3 candles
faint rampart
is radian and tragodia safe to deploy here on these 6 tiles?
you got some healer right?
compact gorge
is radian and tragodia safe to deploy here on these 6 tiles?
One of the lanes will have talisman going through them
And mindful of thorny beasts
dreamy rampart
you got some healer right?
compact gorge
so use 1 voucher + 3 candles
Ty cuby
nocturne cape
so i ask again, is Cohesive Might just a normal shop spawn?
no
i dont think cohesive might can spawn from shop
stray dove
how the fuck do you get it?
faint rampart
nocturne cape
plan exclusive? ive heard you can also get it from the 'exceptional tongbao' option from that one encounter
stray dove
.....you're shitting me
nocturne cape
yeah this one
stray dove
cause i don't remember "exclusive" options in encounters
stray dove
ah Tongbao trades too huh
sinful sparrow
p sure wikia has it already
stray dove
gotcha...
sinful sparrow
go check it
stray dove
will take note of that
sinful sparrow
stray dove
p sure wikia has it already
HAH, it still lacks a LOT
it doesn't even have some of the stuff i had to hunt
and have gotten
steel relic
wiki is missing a lot of info on tongbao
faint rampart
was gonna say lure those porcupines with tragcat but it wont work so uhhhh
steel relic
and some is just wrong
sinful sparrow
Cringe
stray dove
at least i know what i need to do in a throwaway run
spend all my LPs on Plan node
final 4 relics....
and the hardest one is Liu'er -> Amber Legend
faint rampart
is radian and tragodia safe to deploy here on these 6 tiles?
hopefully someone knowledgeable answers 
oopsies
nocturne cape
bottom left is safe
stray dove
I just pick leftmost ranged tiles
even with talisman
at least its out of porcupine range
stray dove
you don't do them asap is your con
I kinda enjoy gen content since it's the only time I don't use Wis/Geexu/Trag/the usual suspects
and use a squad I can never ever use in IS/RA, Yu Burn
nocturne cape
gen content is kinda sleeper
stray dove
it is. But it's my "relaxation" mode
faint rampart
geexu
thats a nice name
stray dove
i don't have to stress that a normal content would do me dirty like some of the max diff runs i had to do
steel relic
nocturne cape
Messing with SA alter S3 + Exu S3 rn
sinful sparrow
bro grinding gen content on CN
nocturne cape
Yep
faint rampart
Hoshitter is better
nocturne cape
I have 30 pulls rn
sinful sparrow
i have 60, not much better
sinful sparrow
i killed all of my prime source during wis/logos
stray dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365678670202667119/1433743359331012690/m...
Some people do Hoshi2. Much better looking but you're still pronouncing "Oh Shit"
nocturne cape
Sakiko killed my originites
faint rampart
Some people do Hoshi2. Much better looking but you're still pronouncing "Oh Shit...
i didn't realise that until now wtf
stray dove
my POs will be obliterated by Mujica skins in global
slate hull
Sakiko is probably going to be big in is6 because of the range
not that many useful ground units at the moment, but there is Hoshi2 and Saki coming up
stray dove
Sakiko isn't doing much
at least based on what I heard from CN sweatlords here
i think the main issue is she needs full E2 to even be worthwhile
sinful sparrow
we have useful ground units bruh
inland elbow
Ground ops are slop yep
nocturne cape
Shes good if you can e2 her
sinful sparrow
Its called ambushers, liberators
stray dove
they're tired of using Liberators and want blockers
and here i am relishing on Guardians and Agents
sinful sparrow
Shes good if you can e2 her
do you know what other nerds is draftable on gvg raidian ban
outside of sakichan sa2 leizi
idk
stray dove
i don't know how GVG feels about Humus but I like him purely because of F1 Cannot robbing
nocturne cape
do you know what other nerds is draftable on gvg raidian ban
E
steel relic
omg Estelle
sinful sparrow
Ur cringe
And mpreg
@nocturne cape oh yeah go play this dtide
funny as shit
i did 2 A5s with no wheels
steel relic
I legit pulled up the wiki page for every guard in the game to find ones whose name starts with E and is not Entelechia
it's just Estelle
steel relic
known guard operator
stray dove
nice Estelle usage motivator
slate hull
Exu3 confirmed
raw hemlock
So... any bright ideas?
sinful sparrow
Wtf is this 5F comp
raw hemlock
Wtf is this 5F comp
hell.
errant siren
So... any bright ideas?
Is all Guitar Heroes are on top lane?
raw hemlock
Is all Guitar Heroes are on top lane?
this is the emergency ops version of the battle sooooooooooo
sinful sparrow
and then play normally
faint rampart
So... any bright ideas?
end of times
seeing so many reserve ops, good luck
raw hemlock
I'm not using her EVER
sinful sparrow
you can also use exu alter, or leizi for bursting the geists
not sure why chen guard
raw hemlock
and the battle's already started so I'd like to try and reach the final battle
sinful sparrow
mofo is so shit
raw hemlock
not sure why chen guard
suggestion from a different discord
and this is floor 5 so can't get exu2 since I'd have to borrow her
wanton rose
how's pepe in is6
lost anchor
what chen1 supposed to do
sinful sparrow
Idk, i saw some nerd doing pepe e1 into liberator on gvg
nocturne cape
how's pepe in is6
Lowkey usable
sinful sparrow
sounds kinda schizo tho
winter belfry
how's pepe in is6
Shes fine tbh but the crusher guards are just better imo
nocturne cape
Yep pepe mlynar can 1 candle Ware User C
sinful sparrow
ew who the fuck draft crushers in is6 š
faint rampart
considering chen cant block or even skill that many+ running lancers uh
sinful sparrow
can your exu raidian do that
Mpreg
faint rampart
winter belfry
ew who the fuck draft crushers in is6 š
no one drafts pepe either thats the point
sinful sparrow
not a single soul i know draft shitty crushers in is6
winter belfry
raw hemlock
sooooooooooooooooo that was literally the most unwinnable fight ever
sinful sparrow
checkmate
winter belfry
well i saw hoe drafts too š¤
wanton rose
which one ware user c?
rotund copper
faint rampart
maybe leizi couldve helped kill a few but i remember seeing sl4 or something
winter belfry
doesnt count
sinful sparrow
why is she sl4ā¦.
raw hemlock
maybe leizi couldve helped kill a few but i remember seeing sl4 or something
I got enough mats to up it to level 7
nocturne cape
which one ware user c?
Dp stealers
faint rampart
I got enough mats to up it to level 7
oh you did, congrats
raw hemlock
the screenshot was from last night before I went farming
nocturne cape
Pot2
sinful sparrow
preggers
stray dove
So... any bright ideas?
yeah that Emer version has got to be one of the more....vertical-scaling emer upgrades I've seen, alongside Pompeii global (due to how small the map is sometimes)
raw hemlock
but those guys with the guitars are hell
gaunt bay
Its called ambushers, liberators
turns out the problem is that blocking fucking sucks
sinful sparrow
Stfu kiwi dont slander my goat hoshi
rotund copper
Let's draft pepe
stray dove
the only times blocking felt so integral in an IS was in IS4
outside of that, no-touch nuking was best
gaunt bay
Stfu kiwi dont slander my goat hoshi
shes the goat because she kills them before she needs to even block š¤«
raw hemlock
well at least I was able to get Raidian's skills to level 7 from level 1 before that run
faint rampart
but those guys with the guitars are *hell*
good luck next time
stray dove
Dp stealers
I only get a chance of actually completing that if my Raidian or Ines is 8 DP or below (or +99 DP coin).
in other words, the +4 DP cost debuff destroys those chances
raw hemlock
I've got the sui regulator squad as a possible squad selection now, at least
try a round with that or do another run with special squad?
rotund copper
(And get -30% SP instead)
What -30% sp?
lost anchor
What is the prio on medic vouchers btw
sinful sparrow
What -30% sp?
hour of sui
rotund copper
hour of sui
how do u get it
rotund copper
almost like never
stray dove
isn't hour of Sui the one you get from 2-4 Yan ops Doubt?
steel relic
the mechanic is called hour of Sui
stray dove
ah the floor debuff is called that
steel relic
like hallucination or call of we many
faint rampart
try a round with that or do another run with special squad?
if you're just doing it for raidian missions then IS central website does have squad suggestions in guide iirc?
rotund copper
I think I have only gotten only floor buff once
raw hemlock
if you're just doing it for raidian missions then IS central website does have s...
it's a mix of that and "I wanna see how far I can go"
and uh
this is difficulty 1 so either way it'll end with Raidian upgraded
dreamy rampart
Is there a site i could check the is maps and its pathing?
rotund copper
This is the only sui buff I have gotten
arctic panther
Is there a site i could check the is maps and its pathing?
tomimi.dev
faint rampart
and uh
this is difficulty 1 so either way it'll end with Raidian upgraded
ya
make sure to have fun with ur fav squad until higher diff
rotund copper
This is the only sui buff I have gotten
(I think because I barely ever read it)
raw hemlock
ya
make sure to have fun with ur fav squad until higher diff<:DocSmile:121303617...
I've barely done any squad other than special thanks to others recommending it
can't really pick a favorite without trying out any other squad, y'know
wheat saffron
Oh god, finding the second ending for IS6 is based on rng huh?
raw hemlock
right now, I've got leader, special, support, tactical ranged, high ground breach, ground breach, first-class, and sui regulator unlocked
stray dove
Oh god, finding the second ending for IS6 is based on rng huh?
you'll get good at it enough to scour most of the WiW map
and i know its Legend tends to be far from center
or far enough to not be your first Legends near center
Expansion 1 does remove its RNG
sinful sparrow
its on the outermost ring of the 5x5 square
stray dove
by just pointing out which node it's in
sinful sparrow
š„±
faint rampart
its on the outermost ring of the 5x5 square
oh wait its guaranteed to appear every run?
wheat saffron
you'll get good at it enough to scour most of the WiW map
I scoured nearly the entirety of the map and got nothing 
stray dove
I have not gotten a run yet without that Ed2 Legend
no clue if it's guaranteed in vanilla
raw hemlock
anyone wanna vote against another attempt with special squad, then?
viral flare
Sorry, but gotta say, isn't this IS some absolute bs?
arctic panther
Sorry, but gotta say, isn't this IS some absolute bs?
only before dlc1
viral flare
It's either dumb or the most absurdly frustrating pos
stray dove
Sorry, but gotta say, isn't this IS some absolute bs?
I don't know about you
wheat saffron
I think my soul has been sucked out of my body after doing this run for almost nothing in return, so I think imma take a break
nocturne cape
Titiās kit feels weird
stray dove
and encounter hunting is ass
nocturne cape
Skipping
arctic panther
Titiās kit feels weird
what is it
nocturne cape
Shes a sleep focusing op
nocturne cape
Her s2 can sleep herself and another ally
faint rampart
I think my soul has been sucked out of my body after doing this run for almost n...
next run will be better trust š„¹
nocturne cape
And the enemie around them
arctic panther
atleast sleepknights players have a healer now
raw hemlock
ok special squad it is, do I get more ingots, 2 coupons, or 4 objective shield?
stray dove
I'd rather have someone add more representation to unique effects like sleep
nocturne cape
All sleeping enemies take periodic damage
stray dove
than another vanilla DPS
wheat saffron
next run will be better trust š„¹
I hope so, I just got back from work and booted up AK for some leisure but this game is being a little hard on me š„²
stray dove
cause their roles are kit specific
like Surtr acting more like FRD than other arts fighters
or Ela/Geexu not even being considered the same role as their subclasses
due to their kits being more general-use
faint rampart
ok special squad it is, do I get more ingots, 2 coupons, or 4 objective shield?
me thinks 2 coupon better so you can travel more
~~altho i take ingots for shop rob ~~
hopefully someone better answers
stray dove
Ngl feels like a weird design for an incantation medic
after seeing Kal as a normal medic way back in the days of UT, yeah I think I'm not gonna be surprised at all
faint rampart
I hope so, I just got back from work and booted up AK for some leisure but this ...
first few runs are like that
you can watch some runs for reference or the guide
stray dove
first runs of an IS tends to be the hardest
i don't know why players don't know this. Not knowledgeable on how Roguelites work?
nocturne cape
I do think subclasses are meant to provide a basic expectation on the main mechanics of an op
arctic panther
first runs of an IS tends to be the hardest
esp without skill tree
stray dove
I do think subclasses are meant to provide a basic expectation on the main mecha...
HAH! Expectations
nocturne cape
Thats not the case for Titi
stray dove
yeah no. It's more of a category to have same traits or hand effects
nocturne cape
Her kit can still work as a caster
faint rampart
looks like reed is safe then 
stray dove
since when did Reed become relevant to the topic?
nocturne cape
This feels like another cc potential woman
arctic panther
Her kit can still work as a caster
we need primal archetypes for effects like sleep
nocturne cape
Like her hundred predecessors
stray dove
This feels like another cc potential woman
if sleep spamming ever becomes relevant again. I can see its potential to be combo'd with Trag stalls
faint rampart
since when did Reed become relevant to the topic?
uh incantation medic? sorry if i got something wrong
stray dove
like i said
nocturne cape
Incantation medic has been a weird subclass for me
stray dove
it's like comparing Surtr with Viv
i don't bother comparing subclasses with one another
arctic panther
y
nocturne cape
CC potential woman #1 Mantra
CC potential woman #2 Nasti
CC potential woman #3 Titi
stray dove
hell, whenever I use Reedic, i don't even think about the heals. I just think about high density mob killing
arctic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759441795976921140/1260240252967059526/ezgif-4-bc77d76b82.gif
stray dove
i do tend to consider her also as a self-sustaining combatant to other ranged enemies
as long as the ranged attack is survivable
faint rampart
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759441795976921140/1260240252967059526/ez...
nice gif, im stealing that thanks 
stray dove
hell, I treat Blazer like a ranged-tile tank (normal content) due to how difficult it actually is to get her killed
stray dove
another example of me thinking roles based on kit and not classes/subclasses
Immortal tanks (during on-skill or talent): Surtr, Specter, Spalter, and Hoshitter
Arts DPS helpers: Saria, Reedic,....maybe Pram or Thornstar even
raw hemlock
what should my starting lineup be? vg/sniper/spec, def/caster/sniper, guard/supp/medic, vg/supp/spec, def/caster/medic, or all randoms?
stray dove
by this point classes and subclasses are a formality that's only ever considered if a CM condition challenges them or we're talking voucher econ or hand/manual relics
faint rampart
what should my starting lineup be? vg/sniper/spec, def/caster/sniper, guard/supp...
any with supp prolly?
i dont see trag on ur acc and considering he+raidian can win ed1 for you
raw hemlock
but do I get a 4* guard or vg to start? I've got Myrtle set up pretty well (unlike windscoot)
faint rampart
by this point classes and subclasses are a formality that's only ever considered...
true :sadge:
stray dove
it's not sadge
i prefer it this way
it makes some specific classes/subclasses have more value than just being forced into one role entirely
even if it's as sad as Fighters only having decent rep with Mountain, at least I remember them having SOME value
faint rampart
but do I get a 4\* guard or vg to start? I've got Myrtle set up pretty well (unl...
uh yea?( Sorry didn't understand it properly)
windscoot psure there just for yan requirement
+You can borrow
faint rampart
i prefer it this way
different preferences i guess 
raw hemlock
uh yea?( Sorry didn't understand it properly)
windscoot psure there just for yan...
i have Myrtle-based bias (the Taiko no Tatsujin skin is just too cute i love it 
) so I'll go with that
faint rampart
uh sure
raidian can carry first floor i think so it likely wont matter(?)
raw hemlock
I've gone with a borrowed trag, myrtle, and gravel to start
heavy pumice
ohh titi kit released
sleep oriented gimmick huh
nocturne cape
Yes
heavy pumice
seem like to accomodate minos faction
faint rampart
I've gone with a borrowed trag, myrtle, and gravel to start
totally depends on you but ethan might've been better
heavy pumice
erato kafka blem shenanigans again :icant:
raw hemlock
totally depends on you but ethan might've been better
i can get him later, how much should he be built? /gen
heavy pumice
yeah look so-so kit to me
and sleep immune exists so no hope on bosses
faint rampart
i can get him later, how much should he be built? /gen
he will be there just for his DoT so e1 would be fine
just gonna parrot what help said
raw hemlock
ah
heavy pumice
the only good thing i can see from her kit so far is the ability to prevent fatal dmg
faint rampart
follow what rose and cube says, thanks :run:
raw hemlock
just got another supporter voucher :)
nocturne cape
You only need S2M3 and mod for IS5
raw hemlock
yippee
nocturne cape
Mod3 preferred
raw hemlock
Grab anything here after investing more ingots or just invest?
raw hemlock
anyway enter the consciousness to just unlock some nodes of the map or go in later?
I just got battles, battles, trader, and battles this floor
faint rampart
anyway enter the consciousness to just unlock some nodes of the map or go in lat...
enter
raw hemlock
ok
faint rampart
assuming you can have a few more rec vouchers drop from there and then use it on f2 candle node
raw hemlock
it gave me trader, retrieve (max life points), retrieve (tongbao), and legend, what do I get
faint rampart
uhh order?
raw hemlock
Uhhhh left trader
sinful sparrow
You couldāve just saved vouchers dropped from 1F and the voucher(s) from shop
And save the steps for f2 bosky
faint rampart
Uhhhh left trader
you would explore pretty much all of them in the run so
but to be safe, check doubt requirements then trade>increase LP incase you leak in battles
oh finally someone better player who could answer instead of misinfo
raw hemlock
oh finally someone better player who could answer instead of misinfo<:Goldenglow...
I'm looking in the trader anyway-
is this a good lineup?
faint rampart
you mean worth buying or not?
raw hemlock
you mean worth buying or not?
I mean "is anything worth buying now or should I buy things here once I reach later floors?"
faint rampart
uh
as bengalfox said, flower coin worth buying
other relics probably depends on your team
just decide for yourself
faint rampart
oh there's the doubts node
first Option gives more rewards, try to fulfill the conditions if possible
raw hemlock
ok so come back to that one later
faint rampart
yea
raw hemlock
tongbao retrieve node has sand shield coin
faint rampart
yeah good
raw hemlock
imma eat it 
faint rampart
you would take it anyways and replace unwanted tongbaos with it
raw hemlock
second doubts node swaps the requirements of the first one
12+ hope/2+ Yan ops
so get 4 yan ops and at least 12 hope by my last visit here
faint rampart
:ggnod:
raw hemlock
should i do the legend node or the life point increase before I go into floor 2?
raw hemlock
+3 max life points yay! 
my stove!
oh hey pathfinder nodes at the start-
head right back into sui's consciousness from pathfinder?
faint rampart
you can choose to save candles for next bosky entrance
and if youre confident in ur team then sure take some fights in bosky
raw hemlock
should i get amiya with the caster voucher I conserved? I do have her guard class unlocked now
faint rampart
guardmiya s1 yi stall
shes decent but i mostly use the medic class, might as well save if you don't need her immediately
raw hemlock
well I already opened the voucher to make someone a candleguest and the only caster I have is the reserve op-
compact gorge
well I already opened the voucher to make someone a candleguest and the only cas...
If you are a newbie you should start from is2
Then is4 is5 then is6
raw hemlock
If you are a newbie you should start from is2
I've at least been playing since 2021
compact gorge
If you dont have a huge roster
You are a newbie
raw hemlock
I had some inactive streaks but with my roster, I've still been able to blast through main story after getting stuck in chapter 3 back in 2022
still dont remember why I decided to stop doing main story till Masses' Travels wrapped up, but I've at least cleared d0 of is6
way better than what I can say for the other ic campaigns
I think my best run for a non-is6 campaign was is3 where I got halfway through a run, the other ones just KO'd me before that point
agile hill
guys, why does raidian s2 feel like the damage isn't poportional to the summon you place, it feels like 2 summon does more than 2x the damage
faint rampart
huh wha
agile hill
oh yeah guys, is ammo restore once per skill or once per deployment
nocturne cape
that question can be easily answered by reading
little glade
Are there list of operators with special IS module ?
raw hemlock
oh hey, should I get Captain Morgan's Wine?
silver mulch
Are there list of operators with special IS module ?
uhhh.
i'm not sure
but i know archetto, mizuki, gnosis, and angelina have is modules
rotund copper
that question can be easily answered by reading
Overestimating EN community
little glade
I really like IS mode so far, does upgrading IS only module like those worth it ?
rotund copper
I really like IS mode so far, does upgrading IS only module like those worth it ...
Yes
errant siren
I really like IS mode so far, does upgrading IS only module like those worth it ...
Like the Rosmontis one is fucking game changer.
nocturne cape
I really like IS mode so far, does upgrading IS only module like those worth it ...
most of them are worth it, a few of them aren't
little glade
Then my best bet gonna be rosmonstis and Kaltsit then ?
Should I level those to level 3 ?
silver mulch
oh right rosmontis
nocturne cape
Dusk's is probably the worst and sees the least amount of usage
silver mulch
Then my best bet gonna be rosmonstis and Kaltsit then ?
Should I level those to...
andreana user based
nocturne cape
Hool's (in the future) is also quite bad but does have a niche
paper kayak
iirc phantom's is pretty good but phantom is still phantom
little glade
andreana user based
How could I not level up my CEO ?
nocturne cape
yes phantom's is great but you mainly see him used in relicless clears
errant siren
paper kayak
or in is6 ed1 meme stall 
little glade
Hmm well, kal and rosmonstis module to level 3 it is then
paper kayak
the IS mods are insanely cheap so they're generally worth
errant siren
Especially what Kal and Rosm does.
paper kayak
it really is just Dusk that I'd be like "nah don't even bother"
little glade
So some op is on higher tier on IS mode on pinned guide is because of those mod then?
No wonder
silver mulch
it really is just Dusk that I'd be like "nah don't even bother"
aoe caster = automatic L
little glade
I just open the guide and most of my operator is not even there lmao
raw hemlock
(floor 3 gives me stove alight on flip) my stove!!! :D
little glade
My vanilla Exuxiai is having stroke
chrome tangle
you could always borrow a unit
paper kayak
ok I found the full list of IS mods
Kal, Phantom, Angelina, Rosmo, Dusk , Mizuki, Archetto
on CN you can add: Swire Alter, Gnosis, Hool
raw hemlock
Uhhh which patch do I take, top path for sui's consciousness or the path that takes me to pathfinder?
errant siren
My vanilla Exuxiai is having stroke
I remember the meme with Exusiai being in wheelchair while her buffing team is near her.
In 2025.
little glade
you could always borrow a unit
Actually, no one have exu alt in my friend list
I will add some
paper kayak
yeah dusk is the only bad one. hool's is a gimmick meme but its still a thing you can do. angelina is pretty niche nowadays too but I mean she is still good for IS3 and ig 4
little glade
ok I found the full list of IS mods
Kal, Phantom, Angelina, Rosmo, Dusk <:ICANT:...
Oh, I have Mizuki , I ll rise her then
silver mulch
gnosis is module was good from what ive heared
paper kayak
gnosis's is insane
silver mulch
Oh, I have Mizuki , I ll rise her then
little glade
yeah dusk is the only bad one. hool's is a gimmick meme but its still a thing y...
Damn, the last time I played is IS 2
nocturne cape
that outfit is reall cute
paper kayak
cute art unfortunately witch skin
nocturne cape
no way its prsk emote
nocturne cape
they're about to become a knower
little glade
Damn
silver mulch
errant siren
sinful sparrow
<@300996642532884490> please mod3 your reed
why does bro even check my reed
is he borrowing for is6
silver mulch
gnosis's is insane
what was it in detail again?
he still keeps his max fragile effect even against uhh
paper kayak
nocturne cape
why does bro even check my reed
im farming gene*al content
and your reed is cute as a support unit
sinful sparrow
Wtf gneral cntent
silver mulch
o nvm
paper kayak
he still keeps his max fragile effect even against uhh
that, arts dot on cold enemies, and kjerag ops apply cold on skill
raw hemlock
who gonna tell them who mizuki is
which Mizuki? prsk, magireco, arknights?
nocturne cape
general content is so sleeper nowadays with all the new broken units
paper kayak
silverash s1 is now a permafreeze bot
silver mulch
which Mizuki? prsk, magireco, arknights?
yes
nocturne cape
my CN acc is literally less than a year old and i've not been playing for a good 3-4 months
little glade
Lmao
silver mulch
sinful sparrow
Mfw tragodia kills 70% of the stages on his own
little glade
My wife doesn't trust me
raw hemlock
yes
well here's the magireco mizuki while I debate taking a pathfinder node or a wonderland node 
nocturne cape
yet SA + Exu solves DP and theres saki hoshi pram leizi mlynar doing unholy damage
its so slop
silver mulch
silverash s1 is now a permafreeze bot
holy shit wait using degenbrecher with that would be absolutely disgusting
sinful sparrow
pram s2 is diabolical
nocturne cape
unreal
nocturne cape
a new player who started on Hoshi alter can sleep through gen content in 3 months
hoshi haruka pram sa
unreal
errant siren
Btw, 3ā Steward may counts as Kjerag at some point.
On CN he does.
paper kayak
already live
arctic panther
STEWARD META IS BACK 
silver mulch
silverash s1 is now a permafreeze bot
my gnosis stonks r rising
raw hemlock
hm...
silver mulch
i want him max pot one day 
raw hemlock
im just gonna do the top path to wonderland
arctic panther
i want him max pot one day <a:nyaheart:1313887797005778956>
if only supporter tokens were renewable 
or tokens in general
inland elbow
yeah dusk is the only bad one. hool's is a gimmick meme but its still a thing y...
ange is really good in 3 and 4
and is part of a fairly strong comp in 5
inland elbow
kinda I guess? people just play different comps for fun
paper kayak
idk I just feel like its a case of
her mod is great, unfortunately angelina
inland elbow
like obviously if you want to win as much as possible you don't play that comp
because you spam wisadel
paper kayak
especially with trag haruka on supporter voucher now
inland elbow
but people don't tend to play like that
trag definitely eats into her usage yeah
and radian
nocturne cape
Even with trag haruka, ange is still a really good unit
paper kayak
well yeah in 6 ange is uh, lol
nocturne cape
Ange is draftable in 6
paper kayak
ig for left side ed2
inland elbow
trag's main thing is just that he's good at e1
nocturne cape
In fact there are many relics working her way
inland elbow
so he gives a lot more immediate power
in terms of absolute strength, ange is deeply unserious
nocturne cape
People do say shes only good at ed2 left but i think thats not a fair way of looking at operators
inland elbow
she has logos total damage but levitates everything for 25s and only has a downtime of 25s
nocturne cape
Her utility and good damage on very short cycle is really good en route too
lost anchor
haruka doesn't really matter at all for 3,4,5
can you nuke highmore upclose with haruka 
nocturne cape
Its just that shes not part of the meta comp and thats why people dont really look into how she can be used on every stage
paper kayak
she has logos total damage but levitates everything for 25s and only has a downt...
is that logos total damage before or after his res pen and ele damage tho
inland elbow
nah no way, haruka absolutely will get demolished
paper kayak
thats the thing with logos
inland elbow
it's after his ele damage
lost anchor
nah no way, haruka absolutely will get demolished
oh
inland elbow
and assuming 0 res target
but also, logos suffers a lot total damage wise against elites and bosses
where ange eats
so like, you can say logos has res pen, but res pen isn't actually doing the heavy lifting here
paper kayak
idk i am just not a huge ange believer outside 3/4 from what ive seen
but i also dont have her, or weedy, and probably wont for a long time
sinful sparrow
mpr
inland elbow
have you ever used logos
nocturne cape
IS5 is a bit weird because hand is a factor
inland elbow
just imagine logos but a way better cycle and levitates
nocturne cape
Its hard to rate operators objectively without looking at their class
paper kayak
yes I have him
in IS he's decent but caster class is kinda fraudulent in general unfortunately
inland elbow
better logos is absolutely not a bad thing to be basically
errant siren
just imagine logos but a way better cycle and levitates
"Way better cycle"
checks SP cost for S3
about the same as Mlynar
š„¹
paper kayak
yes I have him
in IS he's decent but caster class is kinda fraudulent in general...
(this pisses me off specifically bc caster is my most built voucher)
nocturne cape
This ange slander is wild
inland elbow
ange is 25 sp and 25 second skill
