#is-station

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dense vortex
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beat Diff 13

gaunt bay
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phant open felt good in is4 back when i tried it

floral mist
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I'll try to list the Emergency stages of IS6 that many seems to find it hard(I'll exclude F6 stages):

-Stopping the Advance
-Expelemtary Service
-Unlit Sparks
-A Humble Gift

Any more?

dense vortex
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tried the Ling strat, didn't get lucky tho I made bank

gaunt bay
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idk how it is in 6

quick remnant
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any of you guys sometimes defeat the feet but the tiles keep undeployable for far longer?

sick mason
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Manmade Carnival 2.0 SkadiDaijoubu

floral mist
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That's an IS3 and IS4 stages

sick mason
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But it appeared here-

rotund citrus
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how did they translate manmande carnival 2.0

remote badger
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silicon geist

floral mist
remote badger
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and whatever behind it

sullen temple
floral mist
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The BANE OF MY RUNS

proven dagger
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phantom actually works really well for f1, f2, f4, and by the time you get to the boss he usually has quite a number of buffs

sullen temple
quick remnant
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silicon geist is exactly the same

rotund citrus
remote badger
remote badger
hoary latch
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can i tank this or nah

sick mason
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Don't

cold fjord
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I mean

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you have tragodia

sick mason
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But seems like everyone is g-g-g-gone

errant siren
remote badger
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pretty red

errant siren
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Spawnkilling the redbox

hoary latch
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yea, but i hate the flying things that come from the right and left

errant siren
cold fjord
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just put him at the top

floral mist
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Those are bombs

cold fjord
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And block yi with pred

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ez

sick mason
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I don't think Zuo Le can survive being squashed by those bombs

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Colliding into his face

hoary latch
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am i cooked

rotund citrus
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back to gvg talons

remote badger
floral mist
proven dagger
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euthy

floral mist
errant siren
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Mine works.

proven dagger
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do you know if ed2 gets easier to find butterfly in expansion 1?

cold fjord
floral mist
cold fjord
proven dagger
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what's the specific change?

arctic breach
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This thing has been saving my ass since not a single vanguard recruit dropped

floral mist
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Because it will have a ! Mark instead of the Legend Encounter

cold fjord
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because slightly before dlc there is a qol that makes ed2 become its own node type

floral mist
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That's where ED2 is

quick remnant
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att least it won't spook you on your first floor anymore

cold fjord
old geyser
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so make sure to 100% IS6 before then or its less prestigious

floral mist
proven dagger
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thanks

floral mist
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I must clear all IS6 Endings at A15 before the ED4 update

rotund citrus
quick remnant
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it's silly how you can back off the shogi node but not the butterfly

rotund citrus
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or maybe just talk less to disney characters like you in general

cold fjord
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wdym disney character!

hoary latch
proven dagger
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also

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in addition to the exclusive node

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is butterfly guarenteed to spawn?

cold fjord
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wdym

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it is the same node

proven dagger
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does the special node always spawn somewhere on the map

sinful sparrow
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yes

cold fjord
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well yes

sinful sparrow
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always within the 5x5 grid

proven dagger
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thx

sinful sparrow
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pre-dlc the ed2 encounter was also like this (99.99% guaranteed)

sullen temple
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what node type is butterfly

sinful sparrow
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legend

obsidian needle
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the one with Durian icon

gaunt bay
cold fjord
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it is actually so funny

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is6 pro but absolute piss at is4

sinful sparrow
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can't be me

absolute piss in every IS

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:YA:

sick mason
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Wait, is there any wonderland in floor 6 for ed3?

sinful sparrow
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nope

sick mason
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Bru

cold fjord
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nah

sinful sparrow
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i went to f6 like a bazillion times and i never saw wonderland

sick mason
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I forgot to make my Mlynar to become candlebearer

obsidian needle
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it has a chance to spawn Candleguest though

sick mason
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LETS GOO

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Finally for the first time

cloud cliff
nocturne cape
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Because you were looking for the wrong person

gaunt bay
rotund citrus
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if dlc2 is worth playing does it make it the first IS to prioritize 235

quick remnant
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Feast of Fruit is basically FAFO encounter isn't it?

lost anchor
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bro wtf 😭 this mf not helping me

gaunt bay
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means jack shit

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also holy guardknights what the hell

sinful sparrow
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go sleep

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it's 9pm

rotund citrus
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what it means is probably rare for the dlc added boss to be pisser than the base one equivalent

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quilon my beloved

sinful sparrow
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quilon my beloathed

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design good ruined by 498372498793729473294729374932479 stats required

nocturne cape
nocturne cape
rotund citrus
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we are going to need something bigger than quilon in is6 dlc2

hardy radish
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first use texas alter to clear some tiles
then use silverash to clear more
after that use leizi alter to kill boss
thats it

lofty quiver
nocturne cape
lofty quiver
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What epochal gaps does to a mf

cold fjord
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bro actually wants the game to be turbo slop

sick mason
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The bosses of IS6
Ed1: 8th sibling, Yi
Ed2: 5th dead sibling, Jie
Ed3: 2nd sibling, Wang
Ed4: I dunno what is this
Ed5: ???

cold fjord
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@sinful sparrow I think this creature needs to be destroyed

hardy radish
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yeah u can abandon some plans if u dont want

lofty quiver
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I refuse

nocturne cape
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I will become the 1a45 red coin squad god

lofty quiver
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They're all according to keikaku

nocturne cape
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Known for professional Yi clear with hoshi haruka

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Fully afk

cold fjord
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😭

sick mason
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Hm I got the stage "garrison" here

lofty quiver
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Ed4: sui sibling 13, my self insert

spring olive
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just to confirm, ED2 item can only be found on legend nodes inside bosky right?

sick mason
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So the enemies are the ones from R6s second collab?

lofty quiver
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Ed5: Kongming

nocturne cape
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I should try 1a4 sometime

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Ive never done 1a before

sinful sparrow
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i think the issue with ed3/4 is just that they impose a restriction on operators being able to participate

cold fjord
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yep see

nocturne cape
sinful sparrow
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so there isn't a lot of design space for bullshittery

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without making it unfair

stray dove
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How do you get this again? Yu dragon node?

sinful sparrow
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Doubt node

cold fjord
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yeah you can't really restrict operators outside of the stage

sick mason
errant siren
cold fjord
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like you can do it inside of the stage
but outside just means you can't really make the stage super hard

stray dove
sick mason
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If the option is available

sinful sparrow
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occasionally it will have something like "Obtain 1/2 relic and a special Hour of Sui will happen"

sick mason
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Finding Yan ops is not that hard

stray dove
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no i meant i can't do it in a throwaway run

hardy radish
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even exu2 is yan

sick mason
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Those ops included Yan, Lungmen and even ops in those factions

nocturne cape
stray dove
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i need actual run

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for me to do it

spring olive
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i went far and wide and turns out the node that contained the ed2 item is in this stupid ahh node

sinful sparrow
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Actually

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We sent the operators in the scroll

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for ed4

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how would 5 work

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if they decide to not restrict anymore

nocturne cape
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Lost and Found

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I can smell it

spring olive
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now i only have 1 candle and theres no more fight after the bosky

nocturne cape
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Thats the only way

cold fjord
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you also sent your ops scouting for ed3

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so for ed5

spring olive
sinful sparrow
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ed3 might be shit

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yeah

cold fjord
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that means bajillion resources

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👍

nocturne cape
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LnF is the only piss useless node

sinful sparrow
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although they could pull a troll and force boss node like IS5 ed5

cold fjord
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yes but thats mpregultrahypermpreg

sinful sparrow
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so scout doesnt do shit

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but noone wants that

nocturne cape
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Finale Chongyue will appear during battles

sinful sparrow
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no 😭

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fuck i hate my life

inland elbow
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Tongbao of wishes in a month

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Yep

sinful sparrow
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now i have to whip out money to actually get a dataset for my thesis

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kill me

nocturne cape
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Drops Despair Salvation Stasis

sinful sparrow
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no

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stop cooking

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ur getting Bait tier of slop

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maybe Cube is on page 74 of the Bait files

cold fjord
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😭

inland elbow
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I would never have files

nocturne cape
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Yep they wiped my name from the files with the free version of Adobe Acrobat

cold fjord
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so the allegations are true

inland elbow
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I would destroy all evidence before it could ever come to light

sinful sparrow
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proof?

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explain the Bait files in cult

sick mason
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Wow looking so menace...

sinful sparrow
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dream curio my goat for anything that isn't ed2

sick mason
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FOR RAIDIAN MODULE!

paper kayak
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ok real talk
how DO you beat fisherman alter

i've gotten it twice now and just got completely rolled bc my normal drafts in is6 are pretty range-heavy to deal with, uh, every other stage except that one and idk face-off nodes

cold fjord
sinful sparrow
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you just bait the pond

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with shitty rangeds

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and then plop raidian down

cold fjord
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u bait the fishing

spring olive
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ok fck ED2

floral mist
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Didn't the strongest Fisherman literally hook more than 3 Operators???

spring olive
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rng ahh sh*t

nocturne cape
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Tongbao of Wishes:

unlock the ability to refresh each node into a wish fulfilled (50% chance to whiff)

You get the following items from entering wish fulfilled:

  • Quickbeast Transport
  • Metal Expedition Drum
  • Defender-2
  • Training Lightning Rod
paper kayak
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yeah ed2 is awful i hated the whole IS trying to do it and immediately stopped hating it the moment i stopped doing ed2 runs

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💀

sinful sparrow
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where's dish

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:realmad:

remote badger
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baitwhiff

nocturne cape
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Mika might be a fraud

sudden cloak
sinful sparrow
paper kayak
cold fjord
nocturne cape
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Yep show me your sarkaz kings without visage

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Thats right

sinful sparrow
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just get on f1 shop

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r u stupid

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🫃

stray dove
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BTW which 4 Yan ops are easiest to get?
Geexu, Windscoot...what's the other 2 that's easy?

gaunt bay
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stop impregnating each other

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😭

cold fjord
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just dont ask what happens to visage after f1

sinful sparrow
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stfu kiwi 🫃

sick mason
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Jaye

stray dove
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ok 3 already with Purestream

sick mason
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Lungmen ops also counts

paper kayak
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windscoot purestream exualter and uhhhhhhhhh shu

stray dove
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wait so Lungmen ops act like Yan ops?

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ok gotcha

floral mist
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Waa

sick mason
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Penguin Logistics also counts

floral mist
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Fu

cold fjord
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lungmen is in yan

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so

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yeah

nocturne cape
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Lungmen is yan

sick mason
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Lee’s detective agency also counts

stray dove
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yeah i feel like the regional table still feels like they're separating it like old HK

paper kayak
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PI counting as yan is so wacky like what do you mean mostima is a yan op lmfao

stray dove
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so my assumptions on that one

sick mason
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Mostima is truly the most out of the image “Yan” op HellaKek

nocturne cape
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I dont care as long as it means my exu alter is eating well

paper kayak
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nah, that'd be Texas Alter

sick mason
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Despite the reason why she’s part of PL due to her “sanction”

stray dove
sick mason
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Texas alter is still fine. Even in her alter form she’s still a PL tho

stray dove
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btw how about Image Discern floor debuff? How do you get it?

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luck only like IS4?

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or is it like IS5?

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and it has a specific proc?

sick mason
nocturne cape
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Luck

sick mason
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Like Sora, Texas and Croissant

stray dove
paper kayak
stray dove
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hell it's hilarious learning how Sora became a PL member. Texas being the first and only member is hilarious to know

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Emperor be doing really great favors for people he likes

sick mason
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While casters being fraud

stray dove
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Casters have never become highly sought after in any IS....unless it's IS4 Ed4 and you fucking want Ceobe

paper kayak
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speaking of tags i had a run where i got like, historically bad rng. 3x medic 2x sniper 1x vanguard, no shop in bosky at all before running into brick wall doubt nodes and unclearable combat nodes w/ my current squad

sick mason
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And even then if u want caster, just draft a damn Logos or Nymph

paper kayak
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caster is so sad

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we keep getting garbage caster IS mods

stray dove
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it's just natural that a vanilla arts dps isn't gonna turn faces in IS

sinful sparrow
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is4 ed4...

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doesnt want ceobe

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fuck you talking about

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?

stray dove
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Khagan killing

cold fjord
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ceobe has been a slop solution for 2 years now

stray dove
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well I did it during IS4's heyday

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pre-Nymph, pre-Trag

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Khagan must be hilarious these days

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hell i still remember Eikthyrnir solutions pre-Shu, pre-Nymph

paper kayak
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didnt you like, stall him at spawn and then mostima slow

stray dove
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or Qani E1

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if things are really shit

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or if no good CC

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stall in 3 places

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nuke 3 times

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when he's alone

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starting at first spawn area

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for best coverage pacing

sick mason
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I forgot Qanipalaat exists

stray dove
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IS4 really made me love that Foldartal that makes ops tanky. Cause there's too many tanking boss damage in IS4

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Lakebed Aegis appreciation very early

paper kayak
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caster will return when eblana gets her broken delta module that gives her and her summons burn and res shred and %hp execute on 2nd talent and the Y mod bonus range too bc why not

spring olive
sick mason
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IS3 is worse if it comes to LP deduction

stray dove
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but IS3 has a bleeding effect on that snowball effect

spring olive
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ye exactly, but idk somehow IS3 wasnt as bad as IS4

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imo

stray dove
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IS3 is....

sick mason
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At least if you reduce LP in IS4 without leaking, no consequences

stray dove
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IS4's issues are solvable

paper kayak
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IS3 at least has rejection suppression at D16

stray dove
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with foldartals weakening paradigms

sick mason
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IS3 is like you blind lose light you mf

stray dove
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hell, there's a squad (maybe not the best squad in IS4) that weakens paradigms on perfect clears....makes shit worse if you LP leak though

spring olive
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maybe bcs of the vibes r much more chill in IS3 compared to IS4, but both are kinda similar its p much the same thing

sick mason
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IS3 is stupid below D16

paper kayak
stray dove
# sick mason IS3 is stupid below D16

outside of IS2's difficulty makeover, I feel like they did IS3 D18 update just to have that relic solve the annoyances of rejections. Although I feel like that relic would've been placed on D12 or something lower if they were to fully commit to redesigning

paper kayak
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should have put it at D0

inland elbow
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That relic should've never been made

paper kayak
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it's a mode-saving addition

sick mason
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HG committed to redesigned IS? SkadiDaijoubu

stray dove
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you barely get rejections in low diff

paper kayak
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ig

inland elbow
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Rejections are a good mechanic

stray dove
inland elbow
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And the best debuff mechanic we ever got

sick mason
stray dove
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.....it's a goddamn all or nothing debuff

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wdym

paper kayak
stray dove
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hell you could go an entire run ignoring it because it kept hitting temp operators

inland elbow
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How is it all or nothing, it lands on a singular operator, and there are 1/4 effects

stray dove
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oh noez it hit my temp caster operator

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whatever shall i do....

inland elbow
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If your strategy dies to an operator getting hit by a rejection it's not really the games fault now is it

stray dove
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imagine wasting 7 hope + 3 hope

paper kayak
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post-d16 rejections are a genuinely good mechanic

pre-d16 rejections are uh. well. they are certainly something that was added to the integrated strategies the third mode. an addition, for sure.

stray dove
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and a rejection ends that investment

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fucking great design...

inland elbow
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Compared to that, is4 emotional entity is literally the same thing but effectively metastatic for your whole team

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Is5 oddities is the same deal

stray dove
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oh i assure you I ain't defending Emotional Entity

cold fjord
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oddities ultrahypermpreg

stray dove
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that shit is gacha cancer

inland elbow
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Kal for example, simply does not care

paper kayak
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emotional entity is atrocious but A) you can, technically get rid of it and B) people absolutely do hold that against IS4 as well

stray dove
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hope econ exists and you want as many solid DPS ops. It wouldn't have been such an issue if IS3 wasn't such a shitty stat-check but it is

inland elbow
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Yato alter does not care about any of them except metastatic

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Texas alter loves metastatic

stray dove
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it is hilarious when Ya2 freezes up after her action

inland elbow
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You react to the rejection and draft accordingly?

stray dove
inland elbow
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The bosses and stages by design are all incredibly vulnerable to cc

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Be it stuns, freeze, levitate or pushing

stray dove
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....i'm ignoring those that really made some stuff tanky. But my dude you are defending the IS that killed arts DPS

cold fjord
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(the arts dps was shit in the first place)

inland elbow
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Except it didn't

paper kayak
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start texas alter
roll freeze on them
reroll run

start [insert any carry that isn't an FRD]
roll metastatic on them
reroll run

there are theoretically outs but if this happens floor 2 floor 3 and theres no immediate scout node gl

cold fjord
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It didn't kill it

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the proof is with logos

inland elbow
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If you look at the enemy res stats, the highest a normal enemy gets is manta rays which have 60

cold fjord
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see is4
it didn't have extra res

inland elbow
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Broodmothers have 30

cold fjord
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who used casters?

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still 0 people

inland elbow
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Literally only bosses have 90

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It's not an is3 res stat problem, it's that casters just sucked

cold fjord
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the caster problem is that they were for the most part just trash

paper kayak
stray dove
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ok i'm agreeing with you that casters just suck

inland elbow
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And if you use logos, nymph or ange now then you'd know they're really good

stray dove
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oh wow....the last 2 being on their utility much more than the DPS itself...

inland elbow
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Because she still did her job excellently

spring olive
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do you guys usually rob shop F1 or nah for IS6

inland elbow
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Before that on 2023, kroos alter was the meta start

cold fjord
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yes

stray dove
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Ela and Trag just permastalls so much

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i love the combo

flint token
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Some squad does want to rob f1

sick mason
inland elbow
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Because she could carry until f3 and didn't care about rejections either

flint token
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though personally i only rob on f3+

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cuz i dont play leader

spring olive
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which squad is like consistent to rob shop f1 if so

stray dove
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Ela and Trag permastalled D18 TLK and Skadi for me. Forever i am grateful for them for that.

inland elbow
spring olive
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cuz ts take ages with purestream+humus its crazy

nocturne cape
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If it helps you win the run nothing is crazy

stray dove
inland elbow
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Logos is like 120k on non bosses, ange is 110k

nocturne cape
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F1 can take 20+ minutes sometimes

spring olive
nocturne cape
inland elbow
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Like in the end, rejections are punishing yeah

spring olive
nocturne cape
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Because you also need to stall on the mouse stage

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For 4 ingots

inland elbow
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But you have the ability to draft around the rejection

stray dove
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i just don't like specific operator debuffing. It feels either I get affected or entirely ignored.
It feels flawed for me because of that.
Same for Emotional Entity.

inland elbow
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And it encourages draft variety and leaning on different carries

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Later is editions went for blanket debuffs

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And it just made it balls because you either had the stats or you didn't

spring olive
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this is literally the first IS ive played that requires me to wait 6-7 minutes just to rob a freakin F1 shop

inland elbow
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You don't outskill emotional entity on sentinel

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You simply have the stats

stray dove
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that's a poorly designed one anyways

inland elbow
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But you can outskill metastatic in is3

stray dove
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i like Farts better as a challenge. Baro though is just punishing your lack of DP printing or high DP costs

inland elbow
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By simply taking ops who either actively benefit or don't mind it too much

stray dove
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Emotional Entity, completely shit

sick mason
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What is this supposed to mean for IS6 ed3? Obey the rules?

"The boss actively summons Pieces after you place an ally unit. If an operator is permastunned, the boss enters a rampage. However, the boss himself is weak if you obey the rules."

inland elbow
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Like vanguard yato has a 2s redeploy if she gets metastatic on her

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Absolutely broken

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Is5 has sufferings epoch for ed5 and oddities in general

cold fjord
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👍

spring olive
inland elbow
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And then commerce is super skillful and fun too of course

flint token
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Basically just learn go

stray dove
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wait I just remembered.....lemme get this straight. Arts DPS is fine in max diff IS3......way past its prime when we got far better ops by that point?

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I feel like that's just shit design

inland elbow
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Arts dps was never good period in any IS until nymph and logos lmao

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That's not on is3

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That's on hg for making casters shit

flint token
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That’s on art for being shit tbh rather than is3 itself

inland elbow
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Well there was reed alt

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In is4

cold fjord
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arts ops until that point were utility or were designed for damage but just had dogshit damage

flint token
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like do you remember a meta caster for is2

stray dove
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well it depends on your perception of the big picture. Arts is shit.....UNTIL you do specific endgames like RA CC or max risk CCB

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where physical nuking is mostly only on mob killing

inland elbow
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Arts is shit in Is

flint token
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that’s less art and more ceobe and 5k def if anything

stray dove
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but yeah IS never gave favors to Arts

inland elbow
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Until nymph and logos decided to show up and have human numbers

stray dove
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since relics buff physical a lot

inland elbow
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It's not relics

cold fjord
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yes because arts is better than phys in a debuff heavy environment
as it turns out % based damage is better when everyone has 5000000 def

stray dove
inland elbow
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It's that the total damage of casters was just bad

stray dove
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ah

inland elbow
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How much total damage do you think eyja does

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Or gg

stray dove
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total damage Meyja does....

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none?

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i saw that

cold fjord
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gg does 50k damage

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which is pretty ass

inland elbow
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Eyja is 66k bro

stray dove
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year 1 issues

inland elbow
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Mylnar is ~100k pre module

stray dove
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that was amazing back then

spring olive
paper kayak
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i mean yea
they made mlynar and then didn't make any arts dps at that level until logos

stray dove
proven dagger
inland elbow
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I think that's a fair assessment yes

proven dagger
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dude

stray dove
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oh wait

cold fjord
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yeah cuz they were scared of arts

inland elbow
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Casters numbers just sucked period

stray dove
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Devotion isn't nervous impairment, it's shit

proven dagger
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im IS4's Lin user

gaunt bay
cold fjord
inland elbow
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Lin is a good example of a caster that I like

cold fjord
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thats right

#

0 proof

inland elbow
#

Shit damage and she knows it

stray dove
#

the best marksmen ain't in Snipers

cold fjord
stray dove
#

it's in Spec

inland elbow
#

But her stun bomb utility and shield cooked

proven dagger
#

i did lin start for d0-d14

#

guess who i started using for d15

#

take a guess

inland elbow
#

Gg just fucking scams you by pretending she was a dps unit

stray dove
#

Lin

inland elbow
#

When her total damage is shit so res ignore doesn't matter

cold fjord
#

but gg is good with solving

#

It's true

flint token
#

gg for tlk my favourite slop cope

proven dagger
#

is4 d15 king 🗣️

cold fjord
#

Just get flashing sword

stray dove
inland elbow
#

I mean sss

proven dagger
#

SSS invalidates the sentence im afraid

stray dove
#

fair

proven dagger
#

its like using automatic high beams on the road

#

😔

inland elbow
#

The fact that there is no sss station says it all

stray dove
#

SSS is same as Anni

gaunt bay
#

annihilation tier unit

stray dove
#

an early grind diff game mode

gaunt bay
paper kayak
#

how does lin interact with is6 talismans btw

stray dove
#

as a Yu Burn user, I will keep using her in normal content

gaunt bay
#

also gg came out at a time when chalter was top phys damage

proven dagger
#

IS is a crazy gamemode because i can say Angelina is a pseduo-Eyja just like old times

gaunt bay
#

pls understand

#

people had piss nothing

proven dagger
#

im pr sure

paper kayak
#

does the shield negate talis damage

inland elbow
#

But yeah, rejections made for a fun reactive drafting experience where you'd lean pretty hard into different drafts depending on the rejection

paper kayak
proven dagger
#

i haven't tried

#

🫡

#

ill test it sometime

stray dove
#

probably....but she can't do shit until talisman is gone

inland elbow
#

But is4 and 5 you legit draft the same thing and hope to get lucky

inland elbow
stray dove
#

I feel like IS4 the meta shifted to high blocker count enough due to zerg rushes

inland elbow
#

Since now you just use the same comp

stray dove
#

while IS5, blocking wasn't as big

proven dagger
#

IS4 was funny because defenders were useful more than once

#

IS4 is peak

#

good balance of burst, blocking, and cc

stray dove
#

EXCEPT Emotional Entity

#

that can die

flint token
#

too bad enemy’s mechanics amounted to “run fast”

#

literally all they do

stray dove
#

yeah Collapsal gimmick was shit

#

outside of the farts

inland elbow
#

I'd be a lot more favorable to is4 if alter rng and the foldortals being so swingy wasn't a thing

cold fjord
#

shattered champion literally just being fast and having big stat

stray dove
#

and Eik is the very leader of collapsal gimmicks

cold fjord
#

boring ass mf

inland elbow
#

The amount of highroll shit going on in is4 really turns me off

proven dagger
#

i would say while it's a simple gimmick, it's pretty effective and i quite enjoyed it

inland elbow
#

Like you get migrate and you win

proven dagger
#

we don't get a lot of stages where enemies bum rush us

#

i really liked having to open while trying to CC or burst champions

stray dove
#

fastest player death in an IS boss for me....Eik

paper kayak
inland elbow
#

And then in another run you can just never get an index drop

proven dagger
#

fast enemies aren't common in AK to begin with

stray dove
#

Eik first blind fight killed me faster than Quilon's first blind fight.

#

cause Phase 1 Quilon takes his time

proven dagger
#

Eik is peak

gaunt bay
#

fast enemies good actually

spring olive
#

good thing i recruited ethan before F3 cuz this feng shui node is just wtf

proven dagger
#

going to IS5 after IS4 was weird because the pacing was so much slower

cold fjord
stray dove
#

yeah i need to consider that in max diff. Feng Shui spawns arts-hitcount furniture

cold fjord
#

because @chrome tangle has gotten migrate several times

stray dove
#

fucking ass without Ethan/Ascalon/Trag cat

cold fjord
#

and still didn't win!

inland elbow
#

He ate it

halcyon flame
#

Shut up Euthy

#

Slipper

chrome tangle
#

this is true

cold fjord
#

yes you're slippin

proven dagger
#

I do like how the fast movement works on the collapsal soldiers as well as the casters. The soldiers are cool because they wanted CC and the casters challenged placement a little

chrome tangle
#

i didnt get ling machine

#

so i lost

halcyon flame
#

Someone said drone today and I thought of hollow visage artillery drone

#

That is all

proven dagger
#

i havne't done hollow visage yet

#

is it hard

stray dove
#

btw what are you guys' opinion on IS6 coins? I like it a lot since it acts like a flexible debuff (can be removed with commitment) and flexible relic-tiered-effect. The pros and cons of risk coins are nice too.

spring olive
#

also since when does face off node selecting operator to fight against the boss has specific tiles now SkadiDaijoubu

paper kayak
#

is6 experience is like
run 1, zero specialist zero supporter, no shop in early area of bosky, please go clear these combat nodes with medics and casters and maybe 1 (one) vanguard
run 2, get supporter + specialist first floor, chalice first shop, stiry-fry first shop in bosky, temp recruit shu on first pathfinder

both of these actually happened to me in the past few days

halcyon flame
#

Coins being a viable alternative win con is very cool

spring olive
proven dagger
#

oh

#

on the topic of collapsals

#

i must share this

halcyon flame
#

Because it means 0 dmg relic runs can be salvaged with coins

halcyon flame
stray dove
cold fjord
#

i like that coins are powerful but at the same time you can consistently win even without broken coins

stray dove
#

noted

cold fjord
#

like in cn

#

i basically skipped 90% of the good coins

#

because i didn't read

icy ice
#

Other than wisadel, what dps do you guys recommend I bring to theresis?

cold fjord
#

but it was still winnable

proven dagger
#

coins are a bonus and its great

halcyon flame
#

Except you lost

stray dove
paper kayak
#

expac 1 thankfully fixes a ton of is6's lowroll problems

halcyon flame
#

Cause you suck

cold fjord
#

no?
u suck

halcyon flame
#

Ur ass

cold fjord
#

get on the bed

halcyon flame
#

Blow me buddy

gaunt bay
#

Gay

icy ice
proven dagger
#

i often find myself drafting around coins

cold fjord
#

but yeah they do help saving piss runs relic wise

#

which is pretty neat

proven dagger
#

usually my drafts go Specialist -> Specialist -> Sniper tbh

halcyon flame
#

Anyway IS6 feels like that because of A. Voucher rng being a lot more noticeable since you don’t get 2 options as often and B. It’s peak of performance or whatever

#

Aka the game is trivial as shit when you get a small snowball lead

stray dove
#

last 2 is taking forever because the runs just don't spawn the Stamp encounter much

proven dagger
#

oh yeah I do enjoy how the enemy stats aren't bloated to high hell

#

too

paper kayak
#

my experience with coins is that I rarely have coins saving runs because if your voucher rng is shit you have trouble in bosky which means fewer coin drops and it just snowballs down from there

proven dagger
#

compared to IS5

halcyon flame
#

But if you can’t then there’s little way to work your way back in

#

Because of how bosky node economy works

proven dagger
#

oh

#

the bosky shops that take LP are nice

#

i like the tradeoff

#

and they often have cracked relics/coins

#

so it feels risky yet fair

stray dove
#

I do like the high risk high reward of drafting a LOT of risk coins cause there's some "decent" perks to having a lot of risk coins

paper kayak
#

coins can easily elevate good runs into insane runs tho

stray dove
#

although it can really shit on your combat

cold fjord
#

yes but they can elevate piss runs into good runs

stray dove
#

i mean there's a fucking ASPD ingot coin

cold fjord
#

So its not just feast or famine

stray dove
#

like my god...

paper kayak
#

the foot got one-cycled twice

halcyon flame
proven dagger
#

IS6 feels like something in between IS6 and IS5

halcyon flame
#

if you don’t roll an e2

#

Esp if ur playing raidian ban

cold fjord
#

voucher economy is defo feast or famine tho

sick mason
#

Hehe same amount of relics and tongbao

stray dove
#

You can also get real rich easy in IS6 sometimes.

sick mason
#

I finally beat IS6 ed3 for the first time

stray dove
#

with Desires

cold fjord
#

like u can play gathering get supp + spec voucher at the start

#

then u just win

#

cuz u utterly destroy bosky

#

or u can get x2 defender vouchers

paper kayak
#

yup

proven dagger
#

whats Desires?

stray dove
#

....imagine liking Downtime Recreations just because they're in Bosky....

#

i have never thought that possible

#

till IS6

paper kayak
proven dagger
#

ah

paper kayak
#

iirc

proven dagger
#

haven't seen it often

paper kayak
#

I've seen it literally one time

proven dagger
#

IS6 is like a net positive, nsa MLM scheme

halcyon flame
#

For this reason because now you just aren’t omega fucked

#

If you can’t do F2 bosky

paper kayak
#

what'd they actually do to the combat nodes in expac

halcyon flame
#

There’s less of em

cold fjord
#

there are less

nocturne cape
#

for whatever reason

#

i doubt its intentional

cold fjord
#

yeah it is kinda weird

paper kayak
#

stirfry nerf

halcyon flame
#

Its probably to do with the weighting with ED4 bosky

#

And the combats there

sinful sparrow
#

stirfry "nerf"
(ending 4 has a seperate uncharted bosky before final boss)

#

:gigampreg:

halcyon flame
#

I guess they didn’t expect everyone to find ed4 extremely jobber

spring olive
#

yknow it would be much better if they gave more candles out instead of reducing combat nodes imo

cold fjord
#

yeah prolly cuz of ed4

sinful sparrow
#

u are a jobber

proven dagger
cold fjord
#

since it was pretty random

#

but i don't really mind

sinful sparrow
cold fjord
#

since more doubt nodes mean more relics

halcyon flame
proven dagger
#

oh

#

aw

proven dagger
#

I prefer more combat 😭

sinful sparrow
#

it seems like they removed the d9 condition of "more combat in bosky"

nocturne cape
#

second shop gives 3 candles

#

for 16 ingots

spring olive
proven dagger
halcyon flame
spring olive
cold fjord
#

it isn't "bad" because sometimes you just can't do it

sinful sparrow
#

refresh, and then rob

cold fjord
#

but the run is way different if you can do f2 bosky

spring olive
#

nvm u said ingots so its the normal shop

sinful sparrow
#

so it's more relics

cold fjord
#

since it boosts ur early power by quite a lot

sinful sparrow
#

you also have a decent amount of ingots if you lived through f2 bosky anyways

#

:mon3trsmug:

proven dagger
#

oh what

nocturne cape
halcyon flame
#

If you do F2 bosky and can take combats you basically win the run

nocturne cape
#

cuz i have way more than 16

proven dagger
#

I've always skipped f2 bosky

#

💀

halcyon flame
#

Because you snowball super easily

#

If you can’t then you struggle on F4

cold fjord
nocturne cape
#

yes

proven dagger
#

dude I won my phantom run without f2 bosky

sinful sparrow
#

how do i snowball into a steamy session

nocturne cape
#

always there

cold fjord
#

i thought only the insta candleguest relic was

proven dagger
#

I can't fight shit on f2

spring olive
cold fjord
nocturne cape
#

f3 shop isnt gauranteed but yeah

sinful sparrow
proven dagger
#

f2 bosky combat is hard for me since I'll only have 1-2 candle holders

cold fjord
sinful sparrow
#

can hoshi PLEASE come home

#

i miss her already

halcyon flame
#

I mean it meant to be able to do bosky with 2 candle holders

#

F2

proven dagger
#

I don't typically struggle on f4 tho SexThink

spring olive
#

nah but lowk IS6 is time consuming as hell compared to IS5, idk whose on crack that made IS5 with the lamp collectible but kudos to them

halcyon flame
#

It’s just that non class squads can’t get that consistently

pastel saffron
# proven dagger I've always skipped f2 bosky

u can skip but u can also take it even if u dont have good candleguest since u can still get relics and vouchers from trade nodes, and some doubt nodes ask for 1 life point or less than 3

and then u can recover lp with legend/retrieve

proven dagger
sinful sparrow
#

ye

proven dagger
#

ah

sinful sparrow
#

bosky stats are on the same scaling as the floor you enter it on

nocturne cape
#

i want my hoshi NOW

sinful sparrow
#

same 😭

pastel saffron
proven dagger
#

I do that for f1 already

nocturne cape
#

and swire

#

pls

proven dagger
cold fjord
#

!

nocturne cape
#

can we skip to en anni

sinful sparrow
#

true...

nocturne cape
#

already

sinful sparrow
#

no bruh we can't

#

i have 50 pulls

#

i would get fucked

proven dagger
#

oh yeah swore has an IS mod

pastel saffron
cold fjord
#

yes

nocturne cape
#

uhh

proven dagger
#

t word spotted

#

👀

cold fjord
#

well

#

kinda no

nocturne cape
#

i ban exu so shes good

cold fjord
#

cuz she's off meta as fuck

nocturne cape
#

dont try this at home

halcyon flame
#

Turns out when you have 90+ ingots every run

cold fjord
#

but she is good for off meta

#

so

pastel saffron
#

oh so only for exii ban

halcyon flame
#

She’s pretty good!

cold fjord
#

👍

nocturne cape
#

guys how good is varied fortune

proven dagger
#

is 2 LP for a coupon actually worth it

halcyon flame
#

But ya this is also under ban assumptions

pastel saffron
#

My friend doesn't have exia, I'll tell her to get IS mod since her swire alr e2

#

which skill she uses?

nocturne cape
proven dagger
#

i always eat up shops then use legend/retrieve

cold fjord
#

she uses s3 and s1

pastel saffron
stray dove
#

btw what are the chances of Image Discern spawning in an IS6 run?

#

as bad as IS4's?

pastel saffron
paper kayak
cold fjord
#

you use s3 for ed2

#

s1 for ed3

#

👍

pastel saffron
#

normal stages

cold fjord
#

yeah s3 for regular stages

#

unless u have ed3 relic and you have 0 healers

pastel saffron
stray dove
#

huh....Ji really likes a good store theme sometimes huh. All Risk.

nocturne cape
#

mpreg

halcyon flame
#

My Archetto empire doesn’t feel complete

nocturne cape
#

ok bro im sure saki is a spec

halcyon flame
#

Without her

stray dove
#

btw Cube that's a throwaway run for Cannot banking and hunting for stamps

halcyon flame
#

Shut up clown college boy

stray dove
#

thus the EoT

nocturne cape
#

did you ever find out whether its better to start snipermed or gvg?

#

ok bro

#

🪢

halcyon flame
#

Smile

#

And after testing yes

stray dove
#

i mean....do you really think I wouldn't rob cannot in an actual run?

#

actual run has me have Cannot's entire grocery by the time i hit F2

halcyon flame
#

It’s gvg co_gi_hot

nocturne cape
#

and who do you start with

halcyon flame
#

The problem is that you kinda fall apart without Archetto

stray dove
#

DefSupp if i had an option

halcyon flame
#

With Archetto start

#

You can at least

#

Pivot to regular snp gameplay

nocturne cape
#

what the fuck is GVG archetto start

halcyon flame
#

No no

pastel saffron
#

gvg leizi start

halcyon flame
#

I mean snp Archetto start vs gvg saki start

cold fjord
#

gvg e1 cheeto start

pastel saffron
cold fjord
#

😢

halcyon flame
#

Euthy ur blocked

#

Fk ass

cold fjord
#

surely its playable

proven dagger
#

play phantom start instead

paper kayak
#

my sniper ticket is so cooked, I have like, literally 2 usable

halcyon flame
#

&euthy

cold fjord
#

how is it

pastel saffron
#

wis and lemon

cold fjord
#

there are 2 main snipers

pastel saffron
#

Some people said nara but me sus

cold fjord
#

wis and narantuya

pastel saffron
#

cheeto for saki ig

proven dagger
#

who is saki

nocturne cape
#

so you start with e2 sakiko

#

hmm

cold fjord
#

saki chan

paper kayak
#

you ain't gonna like this
||lemon and krooster||

nocturne cape
#

maybe it works after dlc1

turbid yoke
halcyon flame
#

Ya this is dlc1

proven dagger
#

oh

halcyon flame
#

I did the a majority of the testing post dlc1

#

The few runs I did do before dlc1

#

Don’t ask

pastel saffron
paper kayak
#

dont have wis
or cheeto
or naran
technically i have typhon, unbuilt!

halcyon flame
#

I burned those records

proven dagger
#

I like drafting Cheeto and Schwarz

cold fjord
pastel saffron
#

what does dlc 1 add even

halcyon flame
cold fjord
#

pretty much what you want

#

also usable e1

proven dagger
halcyon flame
#

And she does do solid damage

pastel saffron
#

oh ed2

#

the hardest one

proven dagger
#

i like April for bosky

nocturne cape
#

i like May for bosky

halcyon flame
#

Do you know how atk steal works

old geyser
#

timed out on ED2 boss fight

pastel saffron
#

she steals the attack and keeps it for herself

#

ines also steals aspd

nocturne cape
#

i dont think thats why alyssal meant

cold fjord
#

no

nocturne cape
#

atk steal applies before difficulty modifer calc

sinful sparrow
#

guard typhon

cold fjord
#

do you know how atk steal works exactly in relation to difficulty

halcyon flame
#

Ya that’s what I was asking

#

Euthy phrased it better

turbid yoke
#

What that mean CeobeConfused

paper kayak
#

how cope is the gvg support entel + raidian -> e2 leizi start

nocturne cape
#

who should i pick as second guard

sinful sparrow
#

not at all

nocturne cape
#

taking a break from entel

halcyon flame
nocturne cape
#

throw some suggestions

halcyon flame
cold fjord
#

pick saki chan

nocturne cape
sinful sparrow
#

of course the start isn't possible on d15 withoute xchaning and lucksacking hope relics but

#

who gives a shit

muted cypress
#

Does this mean e2 promotion or "turn into candleguest" kind of promotion?

nocturne cape
#

punished for not taking entel

halcyon flame
#

💀

#

It’s ok trust

sinful sparrow
#

💀

paper kayak
#

disaster

halcyon flame
#

Degen S2

pastel saffron
# nocturne cape atk steal applies before difficulty modifer calc

Not really, so my guess might be wrong but from ur word it seems like

if boss has attack, diff modifier is % based so atk increases by that %

Me guessing nara steals the attack before % is applied so its even more good because % is applied to a lower attack, because stealing it after would be like taking a glass of water from lake or smth

cold fjord
#

this is correct

halcyon flame
#

Yes

proven dagger
cold fjord
#

so ya this is why naran good

paper kayak
#

I used thorns alter for it once

halcyon flame
#

Which the game would NEVER explain to you cause why would it joyplush

proven dagger
halcyon flame
#

Very significant mechanic/interaction

proven dagger
#

i forgot miz was there

cold fjord
#

i mean

#

game itself still doesnt actually show you enemy stats

halcyon flame
#

True!

cold fjord
#

hg would never explain mechanics

halcyon flame
#

We are in year whatever

turbid yoke
halcyon flame
#

And mfers

#

Still think S+

#

Means anything to us

pastel saffron
halcyon flame
#

Actually isn’t it higher then 200

#

Hold

paper kayak
#

and suifoot has 800

pastel saffron
#

Is ines ever tech too because she also has 100 atk steal

cold fjord
#

200 base atk when the enemy has 640 base atk

#

👍

steel relic
#

It’s 250 isn’t it

#

I think 200 is her def steal

pastel saffron
#

210 max pot, maybe mod changes if

halcyon flame
#

It’s 250

pastel saffron
#

oh yeah 210 is def

stray dove
#

btw can anyone tutor me a bit on how Ed3 works?

pastel saffron
#

mod3 makes it 300 attack

stray dove
#

as in what's the gimmick outside of fighting Wang like it's a bosky (candles only)

proven dagger
pastel saffron
#

in pins

stray dove
#

gotcha

#

will do

paper kayak
nocturne cape
#

wisadel leizi not deployed 🙂

cold fjord
halcyon flame
#

Me drafted krooster pick

proven dagger
halcyon flame
pastel saffron
halcyon flame
#

I mean the boss is extremely jobber

cold fjord
#

i mean

#

kinda

#

but also

#

ines

halcyon flame
#

What Euthy said

cold fjord
#

when u can get 2 vgs that arent piss at e1

halcyon flame
#

And also because she has to stay on the field

paper kayak
#

the only reason that insane lowroll run I had made it past f3 was because I had e2 krooster and rolled cold moonlight

halcyon flame
#

To do it

#

So it’s a bit rough

turbid yoke
#

I don't really get how it works, but ig the higher base atk enemy has the naran end up with also higher base atk ig. And corresponds with difficulty something something

halcyon flame
#

Since you ideally need to be shuffling ops around

pastel saffron
#

oh yeah she gotta stay

paper kayak
#

we get a 6star selector purchaseable with anni right? or is it only celebration banners bc cn anni / half anni

#

perhaps I grab naran

nocturne cape
#

we dont

#

only CN anni

halcyon flame
#

We don’t get rights

nocturne cape
#

we get a 5* selector

halcyon flame
sick mason
#

A 6 star selector from annihilation??

sinful sparrow
#

this joke doesnt even make sense ReedBean

cold fjord
#

we do get a 6* selector tho

#

its just the slop free one

halcyon flame
#

I select Euthy for the draft

cold fjord
halcyon flame
#

Go

#

Die for my ingots

paper kayak
lusty quest
#

Guys i am still newbie right, should i go IS 6 right away? Is it have a benefit playing IS 6 now than later? (Like extra exp etc)

Or it doesnt matter the time, i go for IS 2 first and maybe IS 6 later (maybe a long time in a future)

sick mason
#

Uhh how do I say it

#

IS1 doesn't exist anymore

#

It was a limited-time event

lusty quest
#

Uhh sorry i mean is2

paper kayak
#

IS1 is an old temp event, the ones in the list start with 2

that said uhhhhh starting with 6 probably isn't the WORST start but not the best? it depends on how new you actually are because if you've been around a few months and have something to block yi with you can probably get away with exu alter start and just blast through the early difficulties

#

and then you get e2 raidian which can help

lusty quest
sick mason
#

I'm also not sure if a newbie should even touch IS content yet

halcyon flame
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IS6 is fine because literally every meta unit you can borrow from start 👍

turbid yoke
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If they can exu2 start why not, it's free game

remote cradle
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That's an interesting thing. I wonder in terms of difficulty ranking, what is the order in which IS is suppose to be done?

cloud cliff
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How rare is the ling event? Nian keep playing with me LappDumb

halcyon flame
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Borrow exu, borrow raidian,

lusty quest
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Not really a newbie, its my 2 month progress. And i have Exu2 (i first played on her banner)

sick mason
lusty quest
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But yeah, IS still a new thing for me

halcyon flame
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Then ur fine

sick mason
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2 months progress for me is like 1/2 newbie

halcyon flame
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Borrow a raidian