is-station

[dusk creek]

true

[woeful anchor]

they should add f3 stun golem to every boss map

[dusk creek]

should have just added the golem to every boss

[woeful anchor]

yep

same thoughts

cos u actually interact with that boss

unlike other bosses that do nothing

[inland elbow]

that wasn't a question lol. I'm saying that exu just wins and doesn't give a shit

you just nymph or trag the drone away

[gaunt bay]

yeah which ig is interesting enough

🥹

its cool tech!!!

[inland elbow]

exu just kinda breaks is4 in a boring way

skill cycling is easy, her total damage and barrier is so high that nothing really matters

degen you had to squeeze out total damage

often degen would barely not 2 cycle or 1 cycle

[gaunt bay]

its just defense being an issue for exu which matters in like

1 in 20 stages

whats the current solve for manmade btw

[inland elbow]

angelina lowdiffs the stage

[wintry void]

I remembered that Exualt made my one month old acc beat diff10 quilon.

Balanced

[dusk creek]

I would put skadi in D personally

even back in the day it was pretty boring every run

[inland elbow]

I actually think skadi is one of the bosses that got better on d18

[gaunt bay]

its just cuz its harder

[stray dove]

i still remember when I couldn't enjoy IS1 much due to how young my account was but older players enjoyed it so much.
So I knew it was just a roster issue.

[gaunt bay]

and u cant just point horse at her and then she dies

[inland elbow]

because now bursting her immediately is unviable

so you have to keep her away from your ops instead

admittedly trag gameplay isn't the most exciting stuff ever but I think it's a large upgrade

over the burst stuff from before

[stray dove]

My IS3 D15 clear of Skadi had Shawl. That really didn't help matters in making her trivial.

[wintry void]

How meta is Exusiai in IS?

[dusk creek]

that's what double hp does to a mf

[inland elbow]

exu alter?

[wintry void]

According to the dalaos

[inland elbow]

very meta

[wintry void]

Yes

[stray dove]

VERY

[gaunt bay]

turbo broken

[inland elbow]

is3, is4 she's one of the best

[gaunt bay]

'cept for 5 cuz shes hardstuck to talons

[stray dove]

she's one of the best, if not the best, starter

[inland elbow]

is5 she's excellent on talons

[gaunt bay]

protraction comp is fake

[inland elbow]

is6 she's one of the best

[stray dove]

the strongest S2 of an IS tends to be the best starter

so it's Geexu for most ISs

[dusk creek]

are your is2 boss ratings based on old is2 or current d15 is2

[gaunt bay]

time to bump phantom up for the golem yup

[stray dove]

why would anyone rate IS2 bosses on old diff?

[gaunt bay]

:roshype:

[errant siren]

[wintry void]

How about Phantom with IS module?

[stray dove]

what does A mean and B mean there in Sami and Theresis?

[inland elbow]

ok I wasn't fine with keeping theresis with and without boats in the same tier

so I added them

A is alter

B is boats

[wintry void]

I feel like May is as broken as Exusiai on IS5 😂

Aspd gooning

[stray dove]

oh yeah...

[gaunt bay]

what about alter and boats

:realmad:

[stray dove]

IS5 does have 2 variations for each f5 boss

[gaunt bay]

and alter without boats

[stray dove]

altered and/or boated

[inland elbow]

ngl I haven't played d15 is2, so my ratings are based on my hardmode experience back in like 2022

[dusk creek]

ya same here

[inland elbow]

even back then I thought they were pretty sloppy except for ed1 and 2

so yeah

[stray dove]

ICI in D15 is that rough huh.

[gaunt bay]

its not difficulty

its design

[wintry void]

How good is Phantom IS module?

[stray dove]

ah

[gaunt bay]

ici is like 3 step solved nowadays

[inland elbow]

the alters of is5 f5 bosses just aren't interesting enough

they'd basically be in the same places as their counterparts

[stray dove]

so what's the "design" aspect? How interesting it is or complex it is to beat a boss?

[gaunt bay]

nop

ed2a is actual slop

[inland elbow]

like court of souls is literally just court visit

but now with lasers you have to bait every once in a while

[sinful sparrow]

where do i get rolling

like where's the rolling variant!

wf

oh already answered

[dusk creek]

alt 2 would go down a tier I think

[inland elbow]

fremont alter I did once and it was with relocation

so like

yeah

[dusk creek]

the design is much more hostile to variety

[gaunt bay]

ya

[inland elbow]

yeah you just take this thing when you have chalice

[stray dove]

if it's by design fun or design complexity, I do agree that Quilon is that low

while Amiyi is high

[inland elbow]

yeah this is pretty much a "fun" ranking

based on historical gameplay

[gaunt bay]

hot take but i dont think amiya is that fun of a fight realistically

[stray dove]

.....so why did sweats kept fighting Sentinel pre-IS5?

[gaunt bay]

i think it just feels too samey going into it unless you lowroll

[sinful sparrow]

cuz it's the hardest shit

[stray dove]

just to get the heart racing?

[inland elbow]

like izumik now is a lot sloppier because single push makes it trivial

[stray dove]

[gaunt bay]

cuz its difficult

[inland elbow]

but like, respect the goat for how he was in 2023-2024

ange module was a mistake grrr

[dusk creek]

the problem with assessing end5 is that in a 245 context going into end5 implies that you beat end4

so it tends to feel pretty easy

[stray dove]

i do wish HG stops "updating" difficulty of ISs way past their primes. I do hope it only was IS2 and IS3 and nothing else gets tampered

[inland elbow]

ed5 is very formulaic I agree

[stray dove]

it was more fun to fight Amiyi either way

[inland elbow]

but it has enough mechanics and skill expression that I'll forgive it

[stray dove]

while Quilon was a pray that your DPS is good enough in that run

[inland elbow]

the same way is4 ed4 is

[low vortex]

hi bait

[gaunt bay]

i think is4 ed4 has way more variety

[inland elbow]

does it really

you place down mylnar at the correct timing

or whatever tank you want

[stray dove]

well.....for one you can easily leak Quilon

[inland elbow]

and then the cycle is complete

[stray dove]

[inland elbow]

then you just kill the bosses

[gaunt bay]

theres a lot of red king solutions

[inland elbow]

there are, but they're functionally the same

outside of unserious stuff like dorothy mines

[gaunt bay]

idk bro

you tell me lemon solve is the same as ceobe or trag

[inland elbow]

they're the same in that they're all easy

[dusk creek]

dorothy is a good solution 😇

[gaunt bay]

i thought we werent evaluating based on difficulty

[inland elbow]

difficulty is needed to make a fight interesting

[sinful sparrow]

where is the interesting part in 245 lamp

[dusk creek]

I actually found out today that in quilon map2 there are 2 boats that spawn that eat all the melee tiles and all the ranged tiles respectively

[sinful sparrow]

pls tell me

[inland elbow]

at 2

unironically

[dusk creek]

so if you lowroll damage the fight will just kill you

[gaunt bay]

at shop rob actually

🤫

[inland elbow]

yeah it's super cringe

[stray dove]

Memories of Khaganduu nuking in D15.....I had both Logos and Ceobe

Logos nuked while Ceobe was redep timed

Logos barely dented...

[sinful sparrow]

punishment for stalling quilon (not having enough damage)

how cringe

[inland elbow]

even if you set up an infinite stall you're hard stuck because of the dps check

honestly I don't get why they put them in

is forcing a dps check really that interesting

[sinful sparrow]

just to spite u for saying "IS5 is too easy" pre-dlc

👍

[stray dove]

in the end, don't think HG considers max diff as a test of what's "acceptable" for most players to clear

[sinful sparrow]

goober ass design

[stray dove]

only the unhinged ones are willing to do that

[sinful sparrow]

Isn't ed2 also a piss dps check

or did i miss something here

[stray dove]

it's designed only for the 0.01% willing to be masochistic enough

[inland elbow]

ed2 is a dps check but it's a mostly reasonable one

[gaunt bay]

a lot more than 0.01% play max diff

[inland elbow]

it's primarily a routing/drafting check

[sinful sparrow]

you mean a lot less?

[gaunt bay]

i think its a fair percentage now

its just 245 is noone touches

[inland elbow]

like there's a lot of moving parts that go into ed2

the first thing is how you stall theresis

[stray dove]

which ed2?

[gaunt bay]

d18 ed1 is jobber bruh

[stray dove]

ah

Ed2a

Is5

[inland elbow]

and there's like 10 different ways to do so

[sinful sparrow]

when telling ed2

it's specifically ed2 with boats

[dusk creek]

end2 has a good number of strats available I think, so I would rate it decently

[sinful sparrow]

fuck rolling ancestor

[dusk creek]

it's slop when you have high damage but that's is5 in general

so can't deduct too much from it

[stray dove]

it was quite the awakening when casual players had to do that in deep investigation

[inland elbow]

like may gravel, ethan blockshift, kal tanking, trag s3

[stray dove]

got a taste of Fremont alter

[inland elbow]

and then you need to manage the clones and the waves of enemies

[stray dove]

...ethan can blockshift?

[inland elbow]

then in phase 2, ur on a dps check that amiya with rnf and 4k does like 60% of

[sinful sparrow]

was pretty enjoyable figuring out gravel aligns perfectly with theresis's balls

phase 2 you plop down m3 and go to sleep
thoughts?

[inland elbow]

so you have to find the remaining 40% and also set up the cycle correctly so amiya can be deployed off redeployment each time

[gaunt bay]

ed2 with m3 is

eh

idk bro

[inland elbow]

while the boats are coming for you

[stray dove]

i tend to make insurances fighting Amiyi. That means also using agents or probably getting Red too, alongside Gravel

[sinful sparrow]

or just highroll Hope and draft shu
🚮

whats the worst thing that could happen

[inland elbow]

managing the boats is what makes the whole thing come together

since amiya needs like 40s to charge her shit + use her whole skill

[stray dove]

relocating Theresis is the harder strat for me imo

[inland elbow]

boats come every 20s

[stray dove]

just go Mon3tr/Kal

[gaunt bay]

@wintry void congrats you actually sparked a healthy discussion in station

[inland elbow]

so you need to stall the boats one way or another

[gaunt bay]

for the first time in forever

[stray dove]

can't wait for it to devolve into mpreg

[gaunt bay]

what does krooster need to kill boats outright

[inland elbow]

a lot

very unrealistic to do

ray can do it

but krooster cannot

[sinful sparrow]

wheres the masterclass in surviving en route is5 when lamp whiffs

[gaunt bay]

reroll into emer elusive merc

[inland elbow]

reevaluate life choices

[gaunt bay]

how about with a staller

[inland elbow]

it's mainly piercing the defence which is problematic

but yeah with a staller and a bit of base attack krooster can do it

[stray dove]

I would be fucking surprised if Krooster actually killed D18 boats

[sinful sparrow]

:boat:

[gaunt bay]

finally got around to building my gummy is she worth e2ing in is5 or not

[inland elbow]

yes

[stray dove]

she's literally the lifeblood of laning when doing Sniper/Defender/Caster post-IS4

i love her for that

[west forge]

Is it possible to get IS5 Ending5 if I only managed to unlock Ending1?

Also, is there like a recommended skill to get from the tree?

[paper notch]

krooster needs like 2 damage relics alongside kingset to kill boats

as long as she can outdamage their defense, they'll die in a second

i've used her everytime i've done boats faceoff but i likely wont be relying on her in the future

[west forge]

Krooster is good for IS5? Is it a good idea to E2 her?

[paper notch]

marksman hand + kingset is enough for d15 but barely iirc from testing

[paper notch]

she scales really damn well with relics idk personally if that makes her that good tho since dph can be a problem

like boats dont have that much defense in the grand scheme of things but even under buffs she struggles to break through it

e2ing krooster specifically for use in is5 isnt worth it imo unless you have literally nothing else to raise

[west forge]

Alright, yeah I'm trying to get Ending5 right now on IS5, I never played previous IS at all

needed all the help i can get

[paper notch]

she isnt gonna carry you in amiya fight i can tell you that much

[west forge]

who do I need?

i have wizadel ekualter lemuen

[paper notch]

i dont have much experience in it but from what i do know you would really like an agent a frd and good damage and survivability

[severe oasis]

ed5 boss has the highest def in arknights, krooster isnt doing shit against her

[paper notch]

im aware

9.4k defense

or whatever it is

she doesnt do shit against 2,1k defense most runs

[remote badger]

as long as u have a frdp on ed5

and some reasonable amount of aspd

and some dpses

[west forge]

frdp?

[remote badger]

fast redeploy

like gravel

[west forge]

no need for E2 right? my gravel is still E1max for the longest time

[remote badger]

no need

[stray dove]

no need

[remote badger]

but optional

[west forge]

what's the usual team for ed5? like, if i dont have these operators, i might just bail out

[stray dove]

what difficulty you plan to fight?

[remote badger]

a frdp

agent(s)

the rest are dps and stuffs

[west forge]

we do not need higher difficulty to unlock ed5 right?
then the easiest probably

since i jsut want to read the story and unlock it

[errant siren]

7000 on D0.

[stray dove]

then stick to d0

[remote badger]

also u might have to bring 2 frdp if u are doing bigger egg

[west forge]

gravel and project red work?

[remote badger]

yeh

[west forge]

or texas and yato better?

[remote badger]

texalt fell off ages ago

[west forge]

alright

i just got back into the game after the anime ends airing

[remote badger]

also again

dont do ed5 if u have sufferings

unless u have medicine sticks

[west forge]

hmm i really need to read what those terminology means

[gaunt bay]

pretty sure everything he said there was straight up the actual name

except ed5

[crisp scaffold]

When IS6 will come out?

[gaunt bay]

in like 5 days

probably

it usually is 1 week after banner op

[crisp scaffold]

Is Raidian obtainable in lvl 25 just like previous IS exclusive ops?

[gaunt bay]

yeah

shes also leveled up through playing IS

so you dont need to spend mats on her

[crisp scaffold]

Are the requirements for her skill mastery quite strict?

[gaunt bay]

u just do quests for exp and masteries and stuff

uh theyre quite easy

[severe oasis]

not rly i think it only goes up to d10

also kiwi :3

[gaunt bay]

ya

meow meow silly

ily

:3

[severe oasis]

ily too

[gaunt bay]

hows ur day

[severe oasis]

boring i prob sleeping soon

[gaunt bay]

awww okay

at least not too tiring i hope?

[severe oasis]

not rly

[gaunt bay]

yay

anyways is6 with radian is quite easy

youll be fine

definitely one of the easier ISes

stages are hard but relic quality and econ is good

[severe oasis]

they're all easy 🤫

[gaunt bay]

Im getting you

[crisp scaffold]

So uhh... What are the top guards in IS6? I mean I don't own Leizi alt now tho...

[gaunt bay]

Horse

[severe oasis]

Horse

[gaunt bay]

Peter the horse is here

[severe oasis]

is it really just leizi and mlynar

it is isnt it

[crisp scaffold]

What? Just the two liberators??

[gaunt bay]

Saikiko and errr entel are okay

[severe oasis]

what can i say, they liberate all over the place

[gaunt bay]

Yes the meta is double lib

Wcyd

120k total skill damage 5k dph multi target big range is good

[crisp scaffold]

Casters are still fraud in IS6?

[gaunt bay]

Ye

[severe oasis]

they will never be nonfraud unless theres an IS where every enemy has 0 res and 10k def

[crisp scaffold]

The two crushers lose their spotlight?

[severe oasis]

it turns out hoederer sucks when he doesnt have +200% atk and 600 aspd

[crisp scaffold]

IS6 meta is less flexible than IS5?

[severe oasis]

i mean if you use raidian, from what i know at least and i can be corrected if im wrong, you can just do whatever the fuck you want

[gaunt bay]

Turns out is5 sucks

And kingset arent guarantees

Shocking

[severe oasis]

is6 has made the grand (and good) decision to just remove hands and kings

[crisp scaffold]

IS6 removed the kings relics?

[severe oasis]

no lamp of wishes this time

🙏

[crisp scaffold]

Other good squads in IS6 apart from def/support?

[gaunt bay]

Collection

[severe oasis]

gathering is good too right

or is that just

early stuff

bc u can start with raidian + another 6star iirc

[gaunt bay]

Not collection i meant gathering

Sorry i am gaming rn

😭

Thinkies hard okay

[west forge]

Is there like a recommendd progression for which skill to take? and what squad i should use to do ed5 easily?

[crisp scaffold]

Skill?

[severe oasis]

its okay i forgive you, you could never do anything wrong in my eyes

[crisp scaffold]

Blueprint squad is just ez cheat code

Pair with lamp of wishes and you (most likely or not) can get wish nodes

Wish nodes refresh can be a scam these days anyway

[remote badger]

just dont do ed4 and ed5 with blueprint lamp

[gaunt bay]

:3

[west forge]

Yeah, the skill tree thingy on the menu
Where we can unlock new squad

[west forge]

so if im trying for ed5, use other squad?
what do you recommend?

[crisp scaffold]

Ingots squad quite okay

Sniper/medic too

[west forge]

so ingot squad, and try to get sniper/medic combo starter team?

i guess wizadel and eyjaalter?

[crisp scaffold]

No I mean... Sniper/medic itself is a squad

Not a starting team comp

Starter team is still the same like specialist/sniper/VG, sniper/caster/defender, guard/support/medic, and three random ones (of course you're at the mercy of the RNG here)

Also, there's no way a starter team allowed you to recruit two 6* 💀

[west forge]

true true

[crisp scaffold]

Unless if you played certain stage in deep investigation

[west forge]

i dont think i unlocked those yet

i still have no idea how i cleared ed1 finally

i only have diff1 unlocked

never unlocked further difficulty

[crisp scaffold]

Oh no worries Fremont is piss ez

A fraud

[west forge]

i just died to whenever he does the squad scramble thing

and then i cant redeploy at allbecause of the coffin

[crisp scaffold]

It's better to not deploy lots of ops until you defeat him first

[west forge]

i can reach stage5 easily, and go to the bossfight
never cleared it tho, only won once

[crisp scaffold]

Bruh

[west forge]

i already have 999 investment on both of my account
that's how bad it is

[crisp scaffold]

What the

[gaunt bay]

[west forge]

i hate roguelite
simple as

[crisp scaffold]

It makes me wonder did you also play in vector breakthrough or not

[west forge]

nope

i do not know what that is

like, i have both of my AK account since launch day (my JP is, my Global is a few days later) but it's just that i hate roguelite so much i never touched anything like that at all

i bought PS5 that comes with Returnal, I sold it immediately

but im trying to get IS5 since i heard the story expand the lores about sarkaz and amiya quite a lot

so here i am trying

STRAY MYTH
there we go, is there a recommendation on which to take first?

[crisp scaffold]

A veteran in general progress but a complete rookie in IS...

[west forge]

pretty much any game that requires roguelite progression i do not like

[woeful anchor]

do u have trag

[west forge]

nein

[woeful anchor]

rip

trag make boss super ez

[west forge]

i can borrow tho yeah?

[woeful anchor]

borrow trag ya

[west forge]

who else?

[crisp scaffold]

Ye

[west forge]

i dont have shu, ascalon, or hoerder

the rest i think i have

[crisp scaffold]

Wisadel?

[west forge]

yeah

[woeful anchor]

trag is all u need
https://youtu.be/90OGfry0pwc

reference vid

🚬

[west forge]

can phantom be replaced? i dont have him on my JP account, only global

[woeful anchor]

u can replace phantom with anyone

[west forge]

i see

[woeful anchor]

yes

dont forget to like and subscrib

[west forge]

do you have account on JP?

might if i add

mind*

[crisp scaffold]

Original Phantom with IS module is ehh okay

But then again Texalt and Yatoalt exist

[woeful anchor]

i do

but

i dont have meta ops ther

[west forge]

no trag?

sad

[woeful anchor]

i play laterano

on jp

[woeful anchor]

hes good if u can build stacks

its 16k atk without any relics

at max stacks

[crisp scaffold]

I started to think if Archetto with IS module is also relevant in IS6 or not

[gaunt bay]

Its fine

Not meta

[halcyon flame]

Archetto comp is still good bozo it’s just Archetto saki core instead of Archetto m3 🚬

[sick mason]

Come to think of it, Kal'tsit is more relevant than Mon3tr alone in IS6 eh

[halcyon flame]

Yes

Monster suffers greatly from talisman

And ed3 mechanic

[magic osprey]

With one life left

[waxen marten]

Until what floor can you get breath of the tide(The item for last knight in is3)?

[sick mason]

The item that can reduce his def by 80%?

Probably only the range of floor 2-4

[waxen marten]

The item that will trigger the ending 4

ending 2 i mean

[sick mason]

Oh you can just get it by recruiting TLK himself

[halcyon flame]

F3

[waxen marten]

thats the problem I cant find him

[sick mason]

Well

RNG strikes again

[waxen marten]

so floor 3 is limit?

[woeful anchor]

f3 to spawn knight

[halcyon flame]

Yes

[waxen marten]

oh well time for me to reroll in is

[woeful anchor]

just path encounters

[sick mason]

U can recruit TLK as early as floor 1

If you're lucky that is

[woeful anchor]

ur prolly not pathing enough encounters

[sick mason]

These days I get the encounter to ed3/4 much easier than TLK himself

Funny

[waxen marten]

I kind of have to prioritize combat nodes since I need a lot of units for some boss

[sick mason]

TLK is such a fraud being played around by Tragodia

[woeful anchor]

knight only needs 4 units to beat

[sick mason]

Just don't use fast-attacking units. That's it

I remember someone really tried to beat him with normal Exu

[waxen marten]

I need to activate both ending 2 and 3 but yeah I only few units for that boss, I need others to survive to reach em

[woeful anchor]

ed3 only need 3 units

(theres overlap)

[waxen marten]

Yea I'll use trag stall

[woeful anchor]

trag ela permastall both boss lol

[waxen marten]

Dont have ela so I will cope with dorothy

[woeful anchor]

damn bricked account

[waxen marten]

It still kind of works tho

[woeful anchor]

ig

[waxen marten]

Cant help it if its an account that started late

[woeful anchor]

unfort

[sick mason]

So sad

[woeful knot]

u mean 3 clueless

[kind depot]

gravestone is the hardest

dies

[chrome tangle]

Le Cheeto Degen gravestone counter

[kind depot]

okay,
*was the hardest

[chrome tangle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1396872298027417705/1441763696794796174/9e1cf479161da06ab8ce14a5102af36c499171058.gif

[kind depot]

IS3 was cancer

never playing it again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658639480290279435/1379064672535445514/rage.gif

[woeful anchor]

🥹

no vid yet ‼️

[sick mason]

The die fucks everyone up

You get a rejection, you get a rejection, everyone gets a rejection

[woeful knot]

nop en record gone now

speaking of which i finalized ooc now

ill send it in siesta to get bait to grind!!

[woeful anchor]

u will rage bait cn by posting 5 op

so that they do 4 op

yep

then EN will be known as the sloppers who do theoretical +1

:joyplush:

[woeful knot]

:joyplush:

atleast we arent KR

[woeful anchor]

kr is giga bruh

its like +3 or something

+1 is already super ez

😂

cos it didnt take me more than 1 day

[sinful sparrow]

now do theorical -1

be based

‼️

[remote badger]

is kr a containment chamber

for persons like sciel?

[sinful sparrow]

do not mention the Name

[remote badger]

oh fu

[woeful anchor]

???

that's literally impossible

[sinful sparrow]

never say impossible

😊

[woeful anchor]

wat

idt u know wat theoretical means

if u think 3 op is theoretical then someone does 2 op then that means 2 op is theoretical all along and the initial assumption is wrong

so u can never go theoretical -1

[sinful sparrow]

oh

[woeful knot]

ur stupid mika

🥀

[woeful anchor]

senz so toxxic

😢

[woeful knot]

nuh uh

😊 i say it affectionally

[sinful sparrow]

see this is why ur hard pitying every SSR in mori

while i get them early

😊

[hasty galleon]

i can see this is the end of me
There is no way out but in

[chrome tangle]

Ubi is goated tho

[hasty galleon]

I have skill issue

[chrome tangle]

Just dont have Sui's Wrath

[hasty galleon]

I don’t know how to handle ubi

[chrome tangle]

Ideally you have a way to handle the mobs that break the rocks

And then a way to either burst or stall out of the flowers

[woeful knot]

why do you have 3 e2s at f5

[chrome tangle]

Erm

Its 3

[woeful knot]

u saw nothing

[chrome tangle]

Edited

Senz u suck

[woeful knot]

😊

[chrome tangle]

🥀

[hasty galleon]

Why not

[woeful knot]

show draft

[chrome tangle]

Something went really wrong

With ur draft

[hasty galleon]

I already in so i guess this is what i have

[woeful knot]

path to the spread instead 😭

[hasty galleon]

Uh quick story, wis ulpi mon3tr e2

[chrome tangle]

How did u manage to have two e1 6* specs

[hasty galleon]

Is it good or bad

[chrome tangle]

😭

[hasty galleon]

Ok i guess it is bad

[chrome tangle]

Id say that kinda terrible

[hasty galleon]

Luck is not on my end today

[woeful knot]

well whatever spam ulpi see if you can survive

[hasty galleon]

[woeful knot]

m3 handle top

[crimson nest]

Just take spread u have key for it

Freest f5map

[hasty galleon]

Alright i live

And i also live through this smh

[woeful anchor]

weedy easy win

[narrow cosmos]

Ubi advice: Panik

[hasty galleon]

[floral mist]

Be me:
Starting IS2 A15 with Forged Diamond relic.
Then the game decide to give me Victoria Crown relic at F5

[pastel saffron]

2 normal combat>1 emergency combat right?

[remote badger]

+1 relic and some exp or more exp than an em

[pastel saffron]

[remote badger]

if it is is5

then depending on what stage is it

if it give plans then go ahead

if that em gives plans then go for it

[woeful anchor]

generally ya

[stray moss]

leizi alter s3 for quilon?

[woeful anchor]

does not sound ril

doesnt scale with aspd

[stray moss]

wait why?

[gaunt bay]

It was used in d0 relicless

🤫

Broken skill

[stray moss]

i heard her s3 with aspd can have so many balls

im not talking about s1

[gaunt bay]

The angle is you just draft mly 🚬

[stray moss]

she is better horse cuz female

[gaunt bay]

Anyways i think its still s2 here

Even though she gets giga bricked

Try a more aggro placement

[woeful anchor]

cos the ball only hits once or something

unles its like map1 and u let quilon close?

idk

but then u need to figure out a way to make leizi not die for map1

[gaunt bay]

Theres like 1 place where you can get the funny 2wall+herself

For funny quilon damage

[woeful anchor]

yeah now how do u make her survive

:realmad:

[gaunt bay]

U cant

Piss operator

[woeful anchor]

nice

[gaunt bay]

Somehow outheal

Idk

[woeful anchor]

yes quilon touches leizi = she dies

how do u stop that

[gaunt bay]

Nono u have hoe tank

Type shit

[woeful anchor]

the envies also have giga dmg

[stray moss]

bind?

[gaunt bay]

She gets goobed by envies tho

[stray moss]

no

just place better

smh

so they bounce

for all 5 ticks

[stray moss]

indigo

[gaunt bay]

Do u not have hoe drafted?

Or for that matter ethan

[stray moss]

ethan where?

on right side?

[woeful anchor]

i was thinking of map2

not map1

[stray moss]

oh

you didnt mention

[woeful anchor]

cos map1 has the piss issue of making leizi not die

[stray moss]

🤷‍♂️

[woeful anchor]

i think i like my ops alive more than dead

[stray moss]

just bind

[gaunt bay]

U use mly to nuke left side anyways

[stray moss]

isnt thata how we ve been getting through

[woeful anchor]

its all fun and games until u low roll the bind

[gaunt bay]

So just do that

But with leizi

[woeful anchor]

bind works if u have extra tiles to work with

cos its not guranteed

u have like zero free tiles

[gaunt bay]

Whats draft tho

[stray moss]

ethan plus indigo

[gaunt bay]

Wat do u have

[stray moss]

surely

[woeful anchor]

u cant blockshift quilon back

have u used indigo

she cant perma

her targeting means the enemy will move slightly

[stray moss]

imma just tragussy all over

[woeful anchor]

[gaunt bay]

Is this talons

[woeful anchor]

tragussy brainrot is real

[stray moss]

lamp

[gaunt bay]

Die

[stray moss]

no

i can confirm

[gaunt bay]

If u have trag bro just does the quilon stall

Just put on s3

[stray moss]

ikik

i was just thinking

never usedhim

on quilon

[stray moss]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[woeful anchor]

[stray moss]

s3 on tragussy

yeah?

[woeful anchor]

mf has never used indigo

point and laugh

[stray moss]

i always draft her

err

i didnt go into details

how does that work exactly

[woeful anchor]

indigo cant target bound targets

so the target has to get unbinded first

before she targets

but the attack isnt instant so during attack animation and projectile travel time, the enemy moves

[stray moss]

wont that be like very small interval

[woeful anchor]

have u used her

[stray moss]

i have

[woeful anchor]

mf just go and see

[stray moss]

as soon as he gets unbound

she will target him again

wtf?

[woeful anchor]

yes

[gaunt bay]

Nice attack interval bro

[stray moss]

so he will get boung again

[woeful anchor]

chance to get bound again

[stray moss]

this wont be even noticeble

with relics

[stray moss]

60% well

thats why i said ethan as well

[woeful anchor]

damn its like relics buff projectile travel time

[stray moss]

they buff atk interval

aspd

[woeful anchor]

the travel time:

[stray moss]

how much is it

tell me

[woeful anchor]

[stray moss]

ms?

[woeful anchor]

u always use indigo

how do u not know

[stray moss]

0.something milisecond?

atp youre just messing around

i dont know

just tell me

[woeful anchor]

its noticable

he moves like 0.75 tiles or something

maybe 0.5

[stray moss]

bruh

[woeful anchor]

???

[stray moss]

im expressing my disappointment

[fickle jungle]

0.5 tiles is a lot you know
Consider he only walks 5 tiles into blue box in map 2

[woeful anchor]

huh

i dont understand

how u always draft indigo

but dont know this

[stray moss]

cuz i never use her in quilon?

in quilon map

i just pick her early

[woeful anchor]

why tf do u draft her then

[stray moss]

free

[fickle jungle]

Damn

[stray moss]

i dont have any other caster built

4 star

[carmine token]

go build click idk

[woeful anchor]

click:

[stray moss]

i dont wanna explain

i hate rats

[woeful anchor]

[stray moss]

anyways

ill just use tragussy

[fickle jungle]

Trag s3 on quilon

[stray moss]

👌

[carmine token]

5hit combo

[fickle jungle]

Shhhh

[carmine token]

[stray moss]

it's not that bad but i can see

[fresh cobalt]

I keep losing on Surtr quest, plz help

Like I wanna finish the whole thing

(Is5 btw)

[carmine token]

💀

grab an op unit

[fresh cobalt]

I don't want my brain to rot after choosing wis

[carmine token]

then use exia2,phantom2

[fresh cobalt]

I have exu2

[carmine token]

its d0 bruh

[fresh cobalt]

Should I raise a 4star tho

[carmine token]

just for the quest??

[fresh cobalt]

I usually just retry until I win a stage, that's why I suck at is

[fresh cobalt]

I have plenty of resources

[carmine token]

????

[fresh cobalt]

Don't people do that

[carmine token]

wdym by that

[fresh cobalt]

Like retrying until they win

[carmine token]

are u gonna play more after in the future

[fresh cobalt]

Yes

I have a pretty good team already

Dw

I just wanna play IS now

[carmine token]

then yea u should

[fresh cobalt]

Who should I raise

Preferably a laneholder

[carmine token]

ethan, podenco, click, haze

[fresh cobalt]

Click?

[carmine token]

for the start

[fresh cobalt]

I haven't seen her deal big dmg ever

[carmine token]

crystal remover in the begginig

beginning

[remote badger]

spike eater

for early floors

[fresh cobalt]

I've raised her already, might as well try using that

[remote badger]

but if u play snipermed u could use medamiya

[fresh cobalt]

How do I deal with the mortar stage tho

[carmine token]

if u gonna start exu2 go for medmya as said

[fresh cobalt]

The one that has mortars shooting us from afar

[carmine token]

yea i know

frd??

[fresh cobalt]

Will there be a Surtr alter, I wanna save for her

[carmine token]

tank on lower diffs

[fresh cobalt]

Just place a bunch of tanks?

[carmine token]

healer(like medmya) then place immeadly tank

[fresh cobalt]

Imma try that out

[carmine token]

the mortal has aoe dont dforget

[fresh cobalt]

Yeah, I learnt it the hard way

[floral mist]

FINALLY, IS2 A15 clear

F you, Phantom

[jagged heath]

should I raise any specific or niche 4/5 stars for IS6?

[nocturne cape]

https://deploy-preview-107--is-central.netlify.app/is6-sui/low-rarity-recommendations/

WiP

Hitcount as well

But as stated on there shes not really someone youll pick at higher diff

Mainly on lower diff when you can can pick her from guidance for free

[abstract marsh]

deploy-preview-107

🗣️ 🔥

[gaunt bay]

How broken is deploy preview 107

[gaunt bay]

Hi cube

[jagged heath]

this site is amazing wth

[gaunt bay]

[nocturne cape]

is-central.github.io is then main site

Many great guides on other themes as well

[jagged heath]

i'll check it out ty

[pastel saffron]

Rose Salt is that good wth, I need to see her kit

[gaunt bay]

Just the ed2 stomps

She helps you survive

[nocturne cape]

She has already seen some applications for the sniper medic in IS5

[pastel saffron]

whats the rcmd mod level?

[nocturne cape]

Great welfare

Mod3

[pastel saffron]

surfer is unnecessary if u alr have canta right

[nocturne cape]

Yep, usually one of the two

And canta is completely fine especially in IS6

Because she benefits from ammo relics as well, so surfer isnt even strictly better than her

[pastel saffron]

yrah with exia she can do a lot of stuff

[compact gorge]

Leizi m6 or m9?

[nocturne cape]

M6 is fine, m9 better ofc

[compact gorge]

50% dmg reduction

[jagged heath]

are 4* casters really that unimportant in IS6? even click?

**

[nocturne cape]

Well caster vouchers are just

Bad

[compact gorge]

When did that happen

[nocturne cape]

Theres nothing that really matters in there, for 4*

Like sure, click, greyy, indigo and others are all fine, but they arent offering anything impressive

[jagged heath]

[nocturne cape]

So you can really just draft anyone you have raised

[compact gorge]

[nocturne cape]

Thats just imo tho

[compact gorge]

I built some 4 stars for paradox simulation on tragodia banner

I hope they come handy

[jagged heath]

should i bother investing in canta's and surfer's modules or are they not worth it?

[compact gorge]

Ye We are gonna experience is6 first hand in a few days

[compact gorge]

Module blocks are very important

[jagged heath]

:true:

[compact gorge]

Surfer module was better ig
It gives aspd

[unkempt lion]

Ain't no way I switched to bluestacks before the final boss of is3 and managed to win with all my skills reset. Wisadel s1 was goofy as hell, never doing this again

[nocturne cape]

Yep, i hope the guide can serve as a good reference rather than being a textbook

[gaunt bay]

Cube i cant believe u ignored me

[nocturne cape]

Cuz im just a slightly more experienced player at the theme, doesnt make everything i say true and true to everyone

[gaunt bay]

🥀

[compact gorge]

Deserved

[nocturne cape]

You should always adjust based on your experience

Hi kiwi

[compact gorge]

Down to earth man

[gaunt bay]

Morning cube

[compact gorge]

I hope my tragodia less account doesn't suffer much in IS

[nocturne cape]

You can just borrow him for earlier diff

Personally i dont think he matters that much on higher difficulty especially if youre not going for ending 1

My CN acc was also Tragless and i was able to play just fine

[jagged heath]

how bad is deepcolor in is6?

[rotund copper]

coloring in the deep

[jagged heath]

[nocturne cape]

Shes ok

[gaunt bay]

Shes fine

Supp voucher too contested i heard

🥹

[compact gorge]

As a walterless account owner I can Cope without tragodia too ig

[nocturne cape]

As long as you have exu2 ur fine

[robust grail]

you can cope without one by borrowing her as an opener

but you can't cope without two

but this only matters for very advanced IS

[compact gorge]

Yes except for them I've all relevant units

[compact gorge]

Ass a very advanced IS player
This is scary but tragodia is a non limited
Can try gambling on his banners

[robust grail]

by the time he reruns you'll have pull priorities for other ops

non limiteds are basically limited anyways except you can gold cert them after 2 years

and they rerun once

[compact gorge]

Haha true

[nocturne cape]

Theres also orienteering banner

Trag will “rerun” on there too

[compact gorge]

Can hope for stray tragodia

From random banner

Instead of mylnar once

[compact gorge]

That's why i said banners

[jagged heath]

oh, narantuya is considered decent in is6?

[nocturne cape]

Yes!

[jagged heath]

welcome back, pre-expansion I IS5

at long last, she's relevant

[compact gorge]

Horsey

[jagged heath]

is ascalon generally worse than mizuki there?

[frank bane]

Xiaohei?!

[jagged heath]

or are they comparable

[compact gorge]

Waiting for her module

It'll make her s3 even more rewarding to play

[gaunt bay]

@nocturne cape btw whats luo xiaohei for

[nocturne cape]

Yan and block 2 early

I think hes more generic than Windscoot for most comps but windscoot is fine too

[nocturne cape]

Imo they serve different purposes. Mizuki absolutely rocks earlier in the run, but the true AoE and hitcount Ascalon provides will be invaluable later in the run

You can draft both of them, and they can work quite well together

[gaunt bay]

Oh hes a diversity hire

:realmad:

[nocturne cape]

Well yes, but hes prob the better ones in our diversity department

[gaunt bay]

Hes the illegal immigrant whose willing to work for cheaper (less hope)

[nocturne cape]

They took my girl Quartz’s job

[gaunt bay]

What is blockcount for radian summons

[nocturne cape]

S2 blocks 2

S1 blocks 3

[gaunt bay]

Oh huh

Wait why do we need 2 block then

Is it just radian ban?

[stray moss]

finally leizi is m9

[gaunt bay]

Finally leizi is sl0

[nocturne cape]

Well if you start e1 raidian summons ahve a longer cooldown

So

[gaunt bay]

🥹

[stray moss]

now time to get entel mod3

[gaunt bay]

[nocturne cape]

And luo has that bit if utility from SP regen

[stray moss]

i hear nymph s2 is good too

for enfeeble

[gaunt bay]

Cube whats your highest winstreak for 2+3

[languid reef]

Finished the run while having oddities during this stage

[wintry void]

What do you mean by this 😂

I am just a casual player

[gaunt bay]

Station turbo toxic

[nocturne cape]

Pre expansion was 8

With bans

Not so impressive considering CN players got to like 80 something

With more bans

[woeful anchor]

bruh 80 winstreak

sounds like slop

[gaunt bay]

How bout rn

[woeful anchor]

i think the sweetspot difficulty fot me is 80% wr

any higher and it feels too boring for me

🚬

[gaunt bay]

80 winstreak sounds like turbo easy

[nocturne cape]

I stopped counting

[woeful anchor]

80 winstreak is like 99% wr

or some shit

[nocturne cape]

Yeah i dont think its particularly hard

[woeful anchor]

press play and win

jobber IS ig

[inland elbow]

This is the IS ur shilling

And calling hard

[nocturne cape]

When did i call IS6 hard

I said its harder on lower diff

[woeful anchor]

isnt d0 no tech tree 2 op

ed1

[nocturne cape]

I also said its not remotely comparable to 245

[woeful anchor]

like every other IS

😂

oh mayb is3 u can 1 op

🤔

prolly rng tho

[crimson nest]

Can u not just borrow maxed out raidian and win

For low diff

[woeful anchor]

maxed out radian day1 wtf

need to find a no lifer

[nocturne cape]

Borrowed raidian uses your own proficiencies

[crimson nest]

Rip

[woeful anchor]

idt its that big of a deal

u cam copy the 2 op relicless

and it still works surely

or with some adjustment

[nocturne cape]

Well youll max out all the proficiencies by D6 or smth

So its not that bad

[devout flicker]

If my IS info is way out of date, are there any relatively new Ops who are really good?

I'm just finishing the rewards in IS: Phantom, if that helps.

[woeful anchor]

i should grind double catboy ed1

(again)

surely its beatable

[nocturne cape]

Its gonna be a rng hell even if its possible

[woeful anchor]

why

theres no rng in their skills

or is the map rng

[nocturne cape]

Ed1 is full of rng

[woeful anchor]

wher

enemy spawn?

[nocturne cape]

Yes

[woeful anchor]

bruh

[nocturne cape]

Beginning and enemies coming from right side are all random

[woeful anchor]

bruh

[nocturne cape]

I dont think your catboys can deal wtih sharpedges or cloud dragons

[woeful anchor]

time to roll

til i dont get it yep

broken technologies

grind rng

[stray moss]

i thought you meant rolling for leizi

😂

[nocturne cape]

And relicless is6 is just hard to get

You get random relics too often

[cold fjord]

relicless is6 when u get coins that buff enemies or yourself

[nocturne cape]

Yeah and coin rng too

[cold fjord]

like relicless is5 sucks cuz of ftt

but relicless is6 is a whole other level

[nocturne cape]

Theres just too much rng involved

[woeful anchor]

huh

ftt isnt required

relicless is5 hardest part is only the cursed relic trade and ed5 encounter

ita easy to grind enroute if u dont hit the ass stages

[cold fjord]

it is if you want shields