#is-station
stray moss
rotund copper
https://tenor.com/view/freaky-chen-arknights-endfield-arknights-endfield-gif-534...
This Chen gif will be everywhere
pastel saffron
if we look no defender/vanguard/guard got any is mod
so for defender nian, guard chong it might not be as cope
idk which vanguard, saga? she was with dusk in who is real right
robust grail
because vgg is broken already and defenders are irredeemable
woeful anchor
nop hoshi good
paper notch
This Chen gif will be everywhere
she's just borkin it a lil is all
anyway. someone found any use for nasti?
a use. doesnt have to be a good one. she seems so ass 🥹
alpine sparrow
free relics are free
open finch
I saw this kinda cute clip where you can force fuze skill because it's a "wall"
Not useful whatsoever but it's funny at least
inland elbow
The leizi synergy bro it's gonna go crazy
steel relic
red has been eating good since ato
frigid cargo
24 hours from now?
steel relic
No
frigid cargo
isnt it the lightning auntie update?
steel relic
Yes
frigid cargo
but no is6?
steel relic
Yes
arctic panther
is6 is coming around a week after leizi i think
pastel saffron
is6 is coming around a week after leizi i think
isnt this basically speculation
steel relic
IS 4 and 5 each came about a week after Typhon and Nymph’s mini events
It’s not baseless
chrome tangle
NOT SONA AND JUSTYNA
robust grail
rose aurora
Don't have Mizuki, play IS
ionic kestrel
NOT SONA AND JUSTYNA
your pfp looks very edible
ionic kestrel
Don't have Mizuki, play IS<a:ChenSpin:729480241596071937> <a:ChenSpin:7294802415...
do i spot mom?
tribal furnace
steel relic
Me when the hallucination does the thing it says it does
astral sentinel
Can this squad do ed4 if it's only d12 and have lots of collectibles?
And 50 shield
I can leak him right
And does doing ed2 instead of ed1 bring any advantages
robust grail
no advantages
but take the lingerers to craft relics
and no, it can't do ED4
this squad seems very
unprofessional
agile hill
ah yes 3hr run
what you must pay for collection squad lmao
robust grail
define casual
i was watching a video on the side and only locked in on ed4 and ed5
you can see many obvious careless mistakes, especially on f4
paper notch
I saw this kinda cute clip where you can force fuze skill because it's a "wall"
peak. honestly quite cool they made it count as a wall for fuze and leizi2
robust grail
ah yes 3hr run
3 hours isn't really that long, it could've been faster if i wasn't multi tasking
gaunt bay
Become 2a45t3 grinder now!
gaunt bay
Send mei into the d18 is3 mines
low vortex
3 hours is fast for Mei
We replayed her kasino run on x2 speed
And it was watchable
astral sentinel
Can this squad do ed4 if it's only d12 and have lots of collectibles?
It can 
steel relic
This guy
unkempt lion
When is it worth fighting cannot? Is he stronger on later floors?
astral sentinel
he has a different map on floors 1-3 and 4-7
Should always fight in your very last encounter with him
unkempt lion
Thanks
inland elbow
Should always fight in your very last encounter with him
Incorrect
The best time to shop rob is on f4 for lamp squads
So that you can get 112 ingots early to get chalice from the wish fulfilled at the end of f4
unkempt lion
The best time to shop rob is on f4 for lamp squads
What's lamp squads? Never heard of it
manic nest
Become 2a45t3 grinder now!
Miss what's the T3 part
nocturne cape
What's lamp squads? Never heard of it
Any squad that picks “Lamp of Wishes” from Fated Encounter
empty gulch
whats better for end4?
gaunt bay
😂
Icant
Take right but theyre both actively harmful for ed4 :joyplush:
Left one is always bad right one is bad if u get bricked by rng
inland elbow
they're both shit and you take neither
severe oasis
How is slow bad
for ed4 it messes up red king cannon sync so your ops on right side will eventually get hit by it
astral sentinel
So that you can get 112 ingots early to get chalice from the wish fulfilled at t...
Can't you get chalice from f5?
astral sentinel
for ed4 it messes up red king cannon sync so your ops on right side will eventua...
You can bait it right
severe oasis
you can try to time blocking red king everytime its charged because target prio is blocking operator > yellow king > taunt > last deployed
its just more effort that couldve been avoided and is easy to mess up
inland elbow
You can just not take the relic save yourself the headache
It doesn't give a meaningful benefit and gives you extra work
Like what's the point
chrome tangle
3 hours isn't really that long, it could've been faster if i wasn't multi taskin...
Shoulda made it 8hrs
latent radish
Main System. Activating Combat Mode.
old lake
Whats the minimum diff to get max ending icon in is5
empty gulch
Whats the minimum diff to get max ending icon in is5
12
old lake
Ogei
unkempt lion
Combat or scout in is3? I know that emergencies are usually better, but idk about normal combat ops
inland elbow
Depends on the rest of the pathing
And the state of your run
They're similar in value
unkempt lion
Same paths, and it's the beginning of floor 2
unkempt lion
Silverashe could be a decent pick
unkempt lion
It's between him and mountain, not sure which one to pick usually
unkempt lion
I start with wisadel from support units, the run just gives me a guard sometimes. I have Lin, Tragodia, Lemuen (Free healer guy)
inland elbow
That is lumen
unkempt lion
Ah yeah lumen
inland elbow
Are those your only 6*
inland elbow
Wis, trag, lin, lumen, mountain and SA?
unkempt lion
Yes, wis being the support unit
inland elbow
What are your unupgraded ones
narrow cosmos
Combat or scout in is3? I know that emergencies are usually better, but idk abou...
Personally I would go scout if you have an operator, who isn't promoted and is important.
Theoretically Combat would be more valuable, but scoute is garunteed to give the recruit voucher you want if you think of it like that
unkempt lion
That's a good point
inland elbow
It's a recruit voucher and the hope you save from promoting
So it's decently strong, but it's not usually so strong that you butcher your routing for it
narrow cosmos
Yeah realistically it depends whats behind it
inland elbow
Oh and gladiia, forgot about her
Wow you have like nothing
narrow cosmos
Also what floor it is
unkempt lion
Wow you have like nothing
Agreed
inland elbow
Gnosis s2 and ce s2 are good raises fwiw
narrow cosmos
If its floor 4, then get that promote because you know RNG will cuck you, and you won't get that promotion without it
inland elbow
In your current roster, I guess your best options are Wisadel start with SA, Lin, Trag, Krooster
Tequila is decent
unkempt lion
Gnosis s2 and ce s2 are good raises fwiw
Oh okay I figured maybe tragodia was the better supporter but I guess they have different uses
inland elbow
Trag is the better one usually
You might want to consider using exu alter start
But wisadel is probably more braindead and easy to pilot
narrow cosmos
Oh okay I figured maybe tragodia was the better supporter but I guess they have ...
They are very different. Tragodia is the one who is OP and Gnosis isn't, But they can't really be compared
unkempt lion
I used the exu alter start in is2, never tried in is3 but that sounds strong too
inland elbow
If you exu start in is3 it makes spec vouchers not dead
And lets you take krooster earlier
Who is excellent
unkempt lion
They are very different. Tragodia is the one who is OP and Gnosis isn't, But th...
I see I see
inland elbow
Basically take wis/exu, krooster, trag
And they should carry almost everything
And then second tier picks are lin and sa
unkempt lion
Yeah that's usually my end game in d3
Haven't tried higher difficulties or ending 3-4
inland elbow
At low difficulties it should be fine
narrow cosmos
ima be real i don't even know how ending 3 works lul
inland elbow
Is3 heavily punishes players who don't have a wide roster though
narrow cosmos
I've only done IS3 ending 3 once. Did ending 4 like 10 times
somber stream
Punishes me if I didn't have the roach.
unkempt lion
There's only 1 stage I struggle everytime with so far, it's the ones with red hooded guys. The ones that spawn in the middle and top right corner, I always leak
somber stream
Out of control?
unkempt lion
Yeah
narrow cosmos
Yep. Its not just you
inland elbow
Don't those guys basically end themselves at d3
narrow cosmos
Fremont is a genius. He just... moved goldenglow exactly 1 tile downwards. To put himself in range
unkempt lion
Read the explanation
Okay I finally get it, who would you recommend to replace the op facing right below wis? Silverashe?
narrow cosmos
Whoever you got really. Silverashh should work
flint token
someone cheap and disposable preferably
unkempt lion
Gotcha, wasn't sure if it was a tank or not
flint token
they’re just there for like a few seconds
narrow cosmos
Normally for me that would be whatever 3* defender I picked up
unkempt lion
Oh, gravel could work if it's 3 frames
flint token
it’s just to offset wis’s revenant to her left instead of below her
narrow cosmos
Why you ofsetting the revenant?
flint token
to put it outside bonethrowers’ range
narrow cosmos
aah
flint token
and still keep them in wis’ range
unkempt lion
Normally for me that would be whatever 3* defender I picked up
Is it bad if I pick my 4* defender from the start? It usually fits with my starting squad if I pick a 3* caster
flint token
Personally i wouldnt draft 4* defender for IS3 because there’s no point. If you get them as temp then sure just use them ig
narrow cosmos
If you are able to start with your core 6* then it doesn't matter.
Starting with your good 6* starter is ideal. in this case Wisadel
unkempt lion
Oh interesting, I guess beagle or cardigan can handle things in early floors
narrow cosmos
well. Required if you are borrowing
narrow cosmos
Oh interesting, I guess beagle or cardigan can handle things in early floors
Oh yeah easilly
flint token
Best 3* defender is spot but cardigan works too ig
unkempt lion
It'd leave me with 1 hope, since I don't have a 4* caster upgraded so I pick the white hair dude
plush bridge
Do you guys bother with ingot squad for A18 if there’s no extra hope at the start
flint token
Do you guys bother with ingot squad for A18 if there’s no extra hope at the star...
i mean getting to f3 on is5 takes like 30 seconds at most
unkempt lion
Best 3* defender is spot but cardigan works too ig
Oh wow I didn't know he was that good
flint token
ingot squad even make it more consistent
narrow cosmos
Oh wow I didn't know he was that good
Hes not really. He's mostly an integrated strategy pick. outside of that I would suggest Beagle. But inside integrated strategies shes probably the weakest of the 3 gang
flint token
He can sub in as a medic
unkempt lion
And his skill is nice
True, I figured he might have lower stats as a healer defender early on. But on difficulty 3 it shouldn't matter too much anyways
plush bridge
Ah
Cuz at f3, I’d have hardly any operators to survive
Or enough hope to summon operators in the earlier floors
unkempt lion
He can sub in as a medic
True that
inland elbow
Okay I finally get it, who would you recommend to replace the op facing right be...
It's just meant to be anything to make it so that wisadel revenant spawns to her left instead of down
So someone super replaceable like a robot or fang or yato
unkempt lion
I can't wait to get a godlike 6* defender, I got laughed at for maxxing out matterhorn even tho it was my only choice for chapter 10-15. Surely it'd be helpful in IS too
unkempt lion
Oh
inland elbow
The best one is like shu but even she isn't drafted in is3
She's good in 4
But bad in 3 and 5
Hoshi alter is coming in a bit and she's actually great damage
But she won't be a super meta staple either
Way more draftable than sa at least though
unkempt lion
So someone super replaceable like a robot or fang or yato
I'll just need to learn the timing and names of the mobs from now on based on that
narrow cosmos
Hoshi alter is coming in a bit and she's actually great damage
Defenders just arn't suited for integrated strategies, ESPECIALLY high difficulty.
90% sure every boss can either oneshot or ignore your defenders
inland elbow
It's a combination of very high damage and defenders just not doing enough
heavy pumice
can relate that
when i give up play tacfort in IS5 :icant:
inland elbow
Like, look at the meta staples of IS like Wisadel, Exu alter, Ela etc.
They all have incredible utility on top of their ridiculous damage
But defenders are usually just defenders
narrow cosmos
wait ela is a core draft? huh didnt know
inland elbow
And their damage is mid
Ela is basically a must draft in 3 and 4
And super good in a lot of comps in 5
narrow cosmos
ah yeah fair
inland elbow
But defenders are usually just defenders
The best defender shu has a broken teleport mechanic and incredible hps
But even that isn't enough since the teleport is a fairly niche solution for specific maps
heavy pumice
atleast hoshi2 can provide the dmg
that is something
inland elbow
Yeah hoshi has like damage that is actually a real dps op
The main thing will be her range, that its arts, its cycle is bad
heavy pumice
hahaha
so ture
inland elbow
So I doubt she becomes a staple for 3
For 4 it seems doubtful because shu is so important
5 I haven't heard a single peep about her
6 apparently she's good
languid barn
90% sure every boss can either oneshot or ignore your defenders
When a guard can tank better than defender:
inland elbow
But also 6 is incredibly easy
heavy pumice
tbh up until know i have no idea how valuable hoshi2 is
narrow cosmos
When a guard can tank better than defender:
ok but thats unironically not a joke. Hoederer and Ulpianus are better tanks than most. especially in Integrated strategies
heavy pumice
ohh IS6 is easy?
first time hearing it
in term of difficulty how you rate is6 compared to others?
languid barn
ok but thats unironically not a joke. Hoederer and Ulpianus are better tanks th...
Yeah, because Damage = Atk - Def => When the Atk too high, better ignore Def and just build HP, since HP can tank all damage type 
inland elbow
I don't want to make a full judgement until I've played it and dlc2 is out
narrow cosmos
Yeah, because Damage = Atk - Def => When the Atk too high, better ignore Def and...
Ulpianus is a 10k HP brick with 400 defence. (s2)
Hoederer is the 10k HP brick with -28% damage taken
heavy pumice
ohh right 2nd expansion doesnt exists yet
guess i will ignore IS6 until my IS5 goal achieved 
languid barn
Ulpianus is a 10k HP brick with 400 defence. (s2)
Hoederer is the 10k HP brick ...
And...they can hit multi enemy like a absolute unit, plus the synergy with much more relic.
Ulpianus can do side step like Saitama moment
After side step he even clear all elemental damage taken and re-order your deployment => taunt enemy even if you deploy anything else after him
Yeah, defend better than any defender
narrow cosmos
Also yeah just killing the enemy.
Dead enemy = -100% damage taken
And ulpianus does assloads of physical damage while ignoring halfthe status effects in the universe, and yeah messes with priority order (in the good way)
And hoederer I'm like 90% sure can just heal himself for like 10000 HP per second, While doing loads (but not quite assloads) of damage
narrow cosmos
And ulpianus does assloads of physical damage while ignoring halfthe status effe...
oh yeha not to mention the cursed Initial SP tech for him that makes S3 really dumb, And Spinach/Pasta.
unkempt lion
Gnosis s2 and ce s2 are good raises fwiw
Follow-up question, would you use an instant e2 item on them? Are they that good considering I have tragodia?
unkempt lion
3 weeks
inland elbow
ce and gnosis are fine ops but they're not especially important
they were good for their time
and are now just ok
inland elbow
I wouldn't say any of the ops in the future are super dominant in IS, so you can just chill and either save or pull for what you want
leizi might be cool for you I guess
unkempt lion
I see, is leizi the next banner?
inland elbow
yes
unkempt lion
Oh, I have zero permits because of ulpi so I doubt it's worth trying
sullen temple
how to beat is2 big bear im skill issuing
inland elbow
bro ur levels suck
anyways bring an attack debuffer
narantuya, mousse or shamare all work well
monster on s2 looks like ur best medic
kal is excellent too
aside from that it's just hitting the boss until it dies
sullen temple
bro ur levels suck
Whats wrong with them
inland elbow
why is mylnar and m3 level 1
sullen temple
cuz i got them recently
plus i only started like 2 and a half months ago
what 4/5 stars are good for is2/is3
narrow cosmos
what 4/5 stars are good for is2/is3
Most of the time you shouldn't reaaly draft 5*s and 4s.
Jaye is chilling, Myrtle is chilling, May can be chill. as for 5*s is whoever really.
inland elbow
shamare and mousse for is2 I guess
is3 it depends on how heavily you want to invest to solve bosses and maps
narrow cosmos
Most of thetime its better to do 6s
inland elbow
cliffheart and kroos alter tend to be excellent investments, shamare is good
sullen temple
ah i see
inland elbow
but there's a bunch of niche drafts
like mr nothing, cement, lucilla, wildmane
that most people don't bother with but are important in high difficulty IS
flint token
mr nothing in big 2025
sullen temple
i was told to level rosmontis for is5 but is she even that good
inland elbow
yes
flint token
meta lmfao
sullen temple
why tho
flint token
i love spamming fridges
flinger hand giving her a fat +150% something atk
and her IS mod is just good
cuz fridges are goated
sullen temple
oh
inland elbow
spawning pillars is broken and guaranteed flinger hand is broken
sullen temple
what ops are good with archetto IS mod
inland elbow
monster, degen, hoederer
I think it's worth pointing out that archetto is not a meta op even with the mod
sullen temple
i mean she is a niche tho right
sullen temple
im actually pretty happy with losing 50/50 on ulp banner 4 times because i got mon3tr and mlynar
inland elbow
yeah she's decent
her competition being wisadel and rosmontis is really 💀
inland elbow
ur talking to someone with an account like this
level 90 is good for IS since you usually rely on only a few operators to carry
sullen temple
💀
inland elbow
but if you're early on in your account
the lmd and exp might be better spent raising other ops
sullen temple
i feel like im pretty early because ive only played for 2 1/2 months but i did get really lucky and i play a lot
inland elbow
yeah, it takes a lot of lmd to get ops to 90
so I wouldn't worry about it for a bit
sullen temple
k
inland elbow
if you're early on in your account, it's probably work looking into base optimizations fyi
sullen temple
my base is kinda cooked ngl
inland elbow
build strong base ops early so that you can break even sooner
narrow cosmos
Yeah it makes a lot of LMD and XP
sullen temple
are the amounts displayed here representing the past like 40 or so hours as it says or just the past day
inland elbow
no idea
sullen temple
also how do you "build strong base ops"
what ops are good for base and is building them just the same as leveling them up/eliting them
pastel saffron
are u gon skip ccb4, sail mod 
inland elbow
also how do you "build strong base ops"
there's a base spreadsheet floating around somewhere
pastel saffron
noway ur making less than me and have more 90s
pastel saffron
it's pot gated anyways
there's always low pot clears
inland elbow
so just look for that and build the base combos you can
I strongly doubt there is a low pot clear of max risk arclight
but also I have no motivation to go copy a clear
I'd rather just play IS
pastel saffron
I strongly doubt there is a low pot clear of max risk arclight
there are unoptimised 13 op clears
I was discussing with JJ
if u have the core ops
inland elbow
bro why would I want to do that
pastel saffron
Real
inland elbow
CC has no real prestige in EN unless you find a new lower op
which hasn't happened since deepnest
and it's just sloppy and bad these days
cc hasn't been good in like 2 years
pastel saffron
cc hasn't been good in like 2 years
agreed tbh
royal orchid
is amiya flying?
errant siren
is amiya flying?
Ground.
woeful knot
how does he know my most kept secret
narrow cosmos
is it worth to level my wisadel to 90
Levelling to 90 is pretty much never a good idea
royal orchid
Ground unit are more preferable for ending 5?
narrow cosmos
Its a massive waste of resoruces for miniscule gain
inland elbow
it's like a 10% damage increase on some ops
hardly a "miniscule gain"
that's a whole relic
woeful knot
you know these people has not experienced tweaking out cuz you got level diffed
inland elbow
ignores how some ops need specific level breakpoints to survive an attack too
inland elbow
that's too much effort for the most niche thing ever lol
stray moss
🤧
yeah en isnt that much interested in stuff like high end is and in depth analysis
do you know chinese
narrow cosmos
it's like a 10% damage increase on some ops
It takes like half a million LMD to go from like 65 to 90.
There are sometimes a case to do it
But very rarely
inland elbow
I can speak chinese but can't write it
inland elbow
There are sometimes a case to do it
the main thing is that you might as well, because there's not that many broken ops
and if you have a reasonably well run base and have been playing for a while
what else are you gonna do with that lmd and exp
just max out the important ops
woeful anchor
It takes like half a million LMD to go from like 65 to 90.
u have like so much extra mats if u play for long time lol
assumimg u actually do base
inland elbow
bro thinks he can take his exp and lmd into the afterlife with him
fickle jungle
Saving resources for ak2 
inland elbow
fr my ass is poor give everything to me
pearl oyster
Which units are part of Archetto IS team?
inland elbow
monster, degen, hoederer
.
crimson nest
Im expecting 2a3a4a clear screen
hallow vale
Hmm i dont think so
F4 no vg baro2 this shit is so ass 🥹
waxen marten
What are decent 3* for is3? trying out people-oriented squad, this is for d18
languid barn
Blocking d18 Qui'lon and his attack hits hard like his theme 
inland elbow
What are decent 3* for is3? trying out people-oriented squad, this is for d18
The standard good 3*, fang, kroos, spot, lava, steward
Build your robots though, they're important for d18
waxen marten
Build your robots though, they're important for d18
I'll try, still don't know where to use em tho
waxen marten
They're cheap ways to cure rejection
Oh never thought of that, many thanks
young gyro
Does the rogue trader comeback if you defeat him?
waxen marten
nope
young gyro
waxen marten
nodes are still there but nothing will be there
woeful knot
merchants tend to leave after you rob them in broad daylight
desert brook
Im trying to do ending 2 i didn't mean to get this <:GraniCry:596474060817432597...
lmfao
waxen marten
can zuo le or hoederer tank ishar'mla at d18?
errant siren
can zuo le or hoederer tank ishar'mla at d18?
They may, but how long...
For any Ranged, her autoattacks are basically oneshot.
waxen marten
For any Ranged, her autoattacks are basically oneshot.
Yea I am kind of always praying I get that ranged camo if I want to beat that boss
wintry void
Wtf just happened…..
crimson nest
Just some extra shit happened when youre dead while holding ed5 relic
errant siren
Wtf just happened…..
You die.
crimson nest
It doesnt matter you still dead
errant siren
And you will die again.
errant siren
wintry void
Could be an easter eg
wintry void
You better tell me, how did you lose last battle
I used arch glyph
I quit on purpose
crimson nest
...
wintry void
Expecting possibility
errant siren
Egg take prioritized
wintry void
AHAHAHAHAHHAHA
wintry void
13 members all e2
Wow
Wait so if I have the egg
Arch glyph can’t be used at all?
wintry void
Fun
low elbow
Does Empty Fowlbeast make Exualter S3 instead of S2 optimal for IS5? The deploy beacon is a summon right?
errant siren
Does Empty Fowlbeast make Exualter S3 instead of S2 optimal for IS5? The deploy ...
Yes, it's the summon.
About DPS part not sure, would still prefer S2.
inland elbow
Arch glyph can’t be used at all?
It's in order of acquisition. If you get arch glyph and then reality of the end arch glyph happens first. If you get reality then arch, reality happens first and kills you
inland elbow
Does Empty Fowlbeast make Exualter S3 instead of S2 optimal for IS5? The deploy ...
Doubtful
You'd need to have no melee ops on redeploy for that to work
And you'd be losing out on barrier
gray pulsar
man what are the odds of failing to get the first ed5 encounter twice in one run
had ranged coop, aegis, and dawn too smh
inland elbow
It's like 50% chance per encounter
gray pulsar
oh so its not even that unlikely
inland elbow
So not that low to whiff twice in a row
pine sun
Is the class squad(sniper/medic) the easiest way for is2?
errant siren
Is the class squad(sniper/medic) the easiest way for is2?
Yes.
robust grail
Wait so if I have the egg
you can also first waste the egg by using it in a natural bosky
errant siren
Any ideal starter sniper
Or just spam wisadel spot steward
Rosmontis is better imo
But Wis could be cool too
pine sun
Rosmontis is better imo
Ros with is mod?
How does the totem spawn work anyway
Feels randomy or just spawns in front of the nearest enemy
errant siren
Ros with is mod?
How does the totem spawn work anyway
Yes
errant siren
Feels randomy or just spawns in front of the nearest enemy
Prioritized to enemy that is close to bluebox and tile isn't occupied.
If isn't any, random placement.
robust grail
Prioritized to enemy that is close to bluebox and tile isn't occupied.
If isn'...
no, it's not random
it's the same pattern as Wis summons
errant siren
Wis is stronger
Nah, won't agree here.
Spamming blockages are kinda broken and map exploiting.
robust grail
you have no idea how broken Wis is
it's ok that she doesn't have ground presence
she doesn't need it
errant siren
you have no idea how broken Wis is
I have.
robust grail
Ros is not stronger than Wis
robust grail
on which stage does Ros have stronger performance than Wis
errant siren
on which stage does Ros have stronger performance than Wis
Oh, I have one - IS5 Skirmish.
robust grail
Wis also solo carries that stage
errant siren
Ros indeed better than Wis
robust grail
she splashes and takes the spine as well
you can also manipulate her summons in a way that avoids her getting splashed
she also opens with Gummy
and potentially guardmiya to take the spine too
it's slightly harder than ros but it really isn't that bad
errant siren
Dude, maybe you will stop arguing with me?
Once again:
I'll promote Ros over Wis anyway, until it's Mizuki IS.
And nothing will change my mind.
robust grail
i'm not changing your mind
errant siren
You're just talking with wall.
robust grail
i'm asking for your reasoning
is that not reasonable? especially for a hot take like Ros > Wis
i probably sound too aggressive though
sorry
remote badger
hi what did i just walked into
errant siren
Rosm can substitute continuously making cannon fodder to make enemies stuck and pointlessly break defenses to your bluebox.
It's even cheap, cause the Durin costs 10, Spot costs 15.
robust grail
Durin costs 13 or 16
errant siren
You just spam it and you have all time to beat them all, with even jebating all shot they could make.
robust grail
yes but Babel and yellow toll
remote badger
bye
robust grail
hi
errant siren
yes but Babel and yellow toll
Ok, now count Reserves cost, will ya?
remote badger
i don't think i can read all cus eepy
robust grail
hi what did i just walked into
why is Ros > Wis
errant siren
i don't think i can read all cus eepy
Rosm VS Wis I don't wanna fight here, but he insists to.
robust grail
Rosm can substitute continuously making cannon fodder to make enemies stuck and ...
and on what stages do you spam pillars as the primary strat
like actually spam them
Ros needs to stall because she doesn't have enough damage to outright kill
whereas Wis S2 just kills everything
remote badger
actually i see ros is better than wis whenever i try to 1-stage cadence
errant siren
and on what stages do you spam pillars as the primary strat
Every time it was option.
And I can retreat op, so I actually do, to faster deploy another.
So, I DON'T have problems with stalling.
Not at all.
robust grail
what difficulty and endings do you play
errant siren
D18, All Endings in IS5
errant siren
This way not much, 135 is my limit.
robust grail
Ros and Wis perform similarly en route with Wis slightly better on the harder stages
notably Chaos, Dispute, and Crimson Corridor for F4
Ros is slightly stronger on Timeworn Tensions
on F5, Wis requires significantly less relics to hold Regular Army mid with S2
or stunlock with S1
or open with S3
whereas Ros has difficulty holding mid and can't open with S3
and you can't spam enough pillars because DP pressure or squad size limitation
and she doesn't have the ridiculous burst damage dps to take out W or assassins
on Rhine Guardians, Wis just generally has more damage
but Ros pillars are actually useful here to block flying enemies or as anti invis
Wis is stronger on Heavenly Paradise and Heretics because her S2 is just so much stronger
and it fits the cycles better
Wis solos Heavenly rightside and can typically stun/kill the invis sandblades on Heretics before they attack
where Wis truly outshines Ros is the endings
Wis is far superior in ED2 laneholding because Wis S2 is just better than Ros S2
she can even partially burst Theresis while partially laneholding
and Wis is clearly superior in ED4
Wis also has much stronger survival in ED5
this is very noticeable in p2 laneholding, where you can just put Wis down and she won't die to the Worldcursers because she has camo
woeful anchor
wtf wall of text
remote badger
i just looked out alittle bit
languid barn
Stainless is good in IS, even in E1 he can buff +72% ATK to main DPS
remote badger
not going to waste 7 hope on bro
languid barn
not going to waste 7 hope on bro
nah, that is like the last support pick at the stage before boss fight, too good to skip bro
robust grail
depends on what IS
languid barn
depends on what IS
ah, i just try it on #3 End 1 d13, the last recuit is Support and have 9 hopes, Shamare is a good choice too
main roost
ah, i just try it on #3 End 1 d13, the last recuit is Support and have 9 hopes, ...
Shamare better, no?
Helps with tanking too
languid barn
Shamare better, no?
yeah, her doll debuff is insane even in E1
main roost
The boss hits like a truck and has that huge ASPD slow too
languid barn
The boss hits like a truck and has that huge ASPD slow too
My Saria instantly evaporated the moment she came within range.
And I really don't like #3, mainly because of the RNG element, and you can't do much if you get a debuff; it becomes disastrous if your main DPS gets one.
Btw we are eatin gud in #5, boss is cool and player have more option to do
errant siren
No info
stray dove
btw how's IS6 to those who have played it?
errant siren
Cannot say legally rn.
stray dove
in terms of enjoyment, how would it rank?
gaunt bay
Its always 1 week after banner op drop
stray dove
I like that it allows you to visit the past IS websites
crimson nest
I hope they bring the ed2 qol for bosky node on launch 
stray dove
as for me I'm asking not the difficulty of the IS
but the enjoyment of its maps, new gimmicks, bosses, etc
i never felt it. It's just map knowledge just as any other
skill trees are perks, not the solution
IS3 is actual brutality
gaunt bay
d18 is3 is just turbo statstick cringe
the difficulty is all stats
its a pretty terrible IS at d18
stray dove
and thus i found it fair that I did IS3 D18 with Geexu and Trag
stray dove
hah D18's damage mitigation at spawn until it wears off
gaunt bay
stats so bad they fucking murdered every ground op
diabolical level design
literally ccb2
gaunt bay
hah D18's damage mitigation at spawn until it wears off
the stat scaling is actually ridiculous
theyre just spamming an enemy that goes and does 3k damage at regular intervals from range
sounds fair bro
stray dove
even if it's just 1 level higher in scaling?
gaunt bay
i think up until is5 node prio balance kinda sucked
well
is5 still has terrible node prio balance
stray dove
gaunt bay
but encounters arent useless outside of ending relics
stray dove
the skill tree was barebones heh
gaunt bay
nop
woeful knot
you dont see me shitting on is5
stray dove
d18 isnt as bad as it was released
it should tell you something
that i waited for Trag
before touching IS3 D18
Weedy Ange
steel relic
Wrong ed4
stray dove
oh Quilon
it's called doing a good Lamp run
try to get Petal f3
Petal is the 0 ingots one, right?
steel relic
Yes
stray dove
as for Quilon, make sure you have an Ethan, Greyyter, Wis, Silence at LEAST
Greyyter was my carry in left lane
Wis is for killing most of Phase 2 Quilon HP and entire Phase 3
Silence for either secondary or main healing lotus chore
Ethan for Phase 2 permastall
.....if you plan to conquer D18 IS5, yeah
make it easier
bullshit....you mean just a map
i mean i know maps like Elusive, WFU, or OOC exists
but there's a reason we can stack LP/shields
the only bad RNGs you can never control are vouchers and relics
and the issue is
we're talking about IS5
the one with the only option to fully remove relic RNG
agile hornet
is there a list of useful lower rarity units to raise for is
steel relic
Oneshot anything with the power of gambling
stray dove
sorry, wrong channel
waxen marten
Can hoederer with ng and lumen tank isharmla? healers will probably die without camo tho
stray dove
Click
Purestream
Gravel
Ethan
Quartz
May
Indigo
Deepcolor
wtf is this? Not a single Gummy?
agile hornet
Click
Purestream
Gravel
Ethan
Quartz
May
Indigo
Deepcolor
thanks 
solemn beacon
is there a list of useful lower rarity units to raise for is
Kroos
And kroos alter
rare oar
sui's garden site is up already? huh
errant siren
sui's garden site is up already? huh
Website yes, IS itself needs wait for week.
steel relic
I’ve had an is4 run sitting at the boss for like 2 months that I don’t want to do cuz it’s sentinel
Guess I need to do that soon
gaunt bay
I’ve had an is4 run sitting at the boss for like 2 months that I don’t want to d...
you got this red
i believe in you
:roshype:
gaunt bay
sentinel is fine with 2025 units
rare oar
2025 ops do have insane burst damage so fair enough
remote badger
shit is so expensive 🥀
inland elbow
Can hoederer with ng and lumen tank isharmla? healers will probably die without ...
No
It's true damage
And it's like 4k every 2.6 seconds
waxen marten
oh...
inland elbow
Standard strat is to push into hole or trag infinite stall
waxen marten
how do you do the trag infinite stall?
remote badger
cat
waxen marten
no I mean just trag? no other operator skills needed or something?
waxen marten
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1C3uazqEdc/
any Ela alternative?
waxen marten
that wont get hit by isharmla
solemn beacon
Manticore
inland elbow
Gravel probs works
solemn beacon
waxen marten
Gravel probs works
E2? or would dorothy s2 also work?
woeful knot
any Ela alternative?
gravel or yato should be fine
solemn beacon
Just make jaye solo her
woeful knot
even doro
solemn beacon
Ez
woeful knot
just find a tile
inland elbow
Tbh you should raise gravel to e2 regardless
waxen marten
Just make jaye solo her
This is for d18
woeful knot
bruh bait said the same thing
gaunt bay
Senz ur slow
remote badger
maybe bro just too old to react that fast
waxen marten
so e2 gravel, trag, and maybe dorothy
gaunt bay
try that yeah
inland elbow
I'd do trag gravel yeah
gaunt bay
you can try ela start if you dont have her though
inland elbow
It's pretty close to a perma already, gravel blocking for 4 attacks def makes it perma
woeful knot
e1 ela is NOT real
gaunt bay
🤫
gaunt bay
just get spec voucher bro
waxen marten
you can try ela start if you dont have her though
I kind of need to borrow a wis if I want to make life easier in lower floors
gaunt bay
oh you dont have wis?
inland elbow
Lend me your power fuze, this is nm symb we're up against
waxen marten
yep started late so didnt have her
gaunt bay
man i feel old
steel relic
Maybe you are
gaunt bay
proof?
gaunt bay
u goober
steel relic
gaunt bay
man is5 has done irreparable damage to people's perception of operators
now people think that hoederer is an actually usable unit
severe oasis
you're a cat
gaunt bay
meow :3
solemn beacon
now people think that hoederer is an actually usable unit
It's usable if you have a very specific collectible 
gaunt bay
"yeah bro just get [insert relic]"
remote badger
hoed brainrot?
potent gulch
So how hard is this IS6
remote badger
back to is4
mild comet
Help.
I was doing IS before maintenance(i didn't know) when battle over already 12 minute passed when maintenance start is that mean I will loss my progress?
steel relic
Yes
mild comet
F
ruby edge
Just know is#2 have some record operator used like is#3 and later
gaunt bay
you think?
frank bane
now people think that hoederer is an actually usable unit
As opposed to lappland alter + yu?
gaunt bay
slop v slop
pastel saffron
Because of take off, Leizi alt should be a good pick in IS3 right?
stray moss
i was curious about same thing
but bait hasnt tested her
he said she is hard to draft as core draft is all set
that leaves less to no space to get leizi
steel relic
Maybe bait is slop with no imagination
steel relic
He knows he can never match Kermit
gaunt bay
Dont see how shed be much different if as soon as she activated s2 she gets murked by broodmothers
stray moss
she has disarm but it doesnt matter
stray moss
He knows he can never match Kermit
sorry im not that familiar with kermit
but i see bait always helping/coaching players
gaunt bay
I think all melee is fucked icl
stray moss
gaunt bay
but i see bait always helping/coaching players
Kerm doesnt hang around here much unfortunately
But he helps when he’s around
stray moss
in central
crimson nest
Is he enjoying is6 or he thinks its slop too
icy lake
any advice before i fight this guy
gaunt bay
From what i understand theres also kinda a playstyle difference
Cuz kermit is chasing relicless records or whatever
Whereas bait focuses on like consistency and winrate
icy lake
8 relics and 6 operators at f5 boss is wild
absolutely
steel relic
icy lake
idk if tragoatdia can stall him
inland elbow
it's d2, kal might unironically outheal
bro the boss has only 1000 attack lmao
what are your relics like
icy lake
what are your relics like
inland elbow
oh yeah this should be trivial
trag on s2 though
just do this
block the boss with monster
kal on s2
gaunt bay
79 ingot chalice foiling a guaranteed loss
inland elbow
basically permanently stall the boss until the entire map is over
don't hit the boss
monster will be frozen
gaunt bay
Is maint over bait
inland elbow
yes
inland elbow
after the entire map except the boss is dead
gaunt bay
+38 in the certs
inland elbow
phase him and he'll run through monster
you can either lure him back with trag
or just place yu lik this
gaunt bay
Surely 2 pull leizi right
inland elbow
then retreat kal and place monster at 9,5
gaunt bay
:clueless:
inland elbow
glhf
gaunt bay
Bruh
Irene blazealt in 60
What can i say except :lappphone:
I will refrain from pulling from now
Ts so ass
pastel saffron
that leaves less to no space to get leizi
bait doesn't use peep squad thats why
pastel saffron
Dont see how shed be much different if as soon as she activated s2 she gets murk...
isn't her skill s1
gaunt bay
isn't her skill s1
S1 sucks
prime mountain
She's m9 creature bro
gaunt bay
S1 for “just get” relics how broken
prime mountain
Nuh uh bro just get sp on hit and perma stall or something with infinite tremble!
pastel saffron
S1 is the only usable one anyway, S2 is worse Mlynar S3
she will get fukt by broods and manta on S2
gaunt bay
S1 is the only usable one anyway, S2 is worse Mlynar S3
Yes thats the point
Shes gimmick horse
pastel saffron
You can put Leizi in risky spot with S1, use someone to bait and spam it
its helidroppable
if an enemy is in attack animation, they cant attack leizi
I wonder if she will be useful in ooc
gaunt bay
You can put Leizi in risky spot with S1, use someone to bait and spam it
Spam 1100 avg dps
Broken
stray moss
This game sucks
fr
gaunt bay
Silverash s1 premod levels of damage
stray moss
i used all my 150 pulls
pastel saffron
Spam 1100 avg dps
Yeah this why I asked
stray moss
this shit is so ass
gaunt bay
Its like 2k smth
pastel saffron
S3 is unsuable coz arts anyway even
stray moss
i mean she is horse plus lizard something
prime mountain
Mf calculating average dps on burst skill unit zzz
gaunt bay
Er might be slightly under 2k
stray moss
mythical creature
pastel saffron
Mf calculating average dps on burst skill unit zzz
real
I saw her against thongs with 2k def+
she was melting bro
actually goated
steel relic
Mf calculating average dps on burst skill unit zzz
Include the 40 seconds 0 dps or your calcs are fake
pastel saffron
rhe fact you don't need to care about deployment order
gaunt bay
Include the 40 seconds 0 dps or your calcs are fake
It is bro
pastel saffron
and can deploy her in risky place
wisadel is only unit u can deploy at risky place coz she has camo
stray moss
shouldve skipped this banner
steel relic
pastel saffron
leizi banner is big skip for most people
prime mountain
shouldve skipped this banner
Nah bro 10 pull hoshi + haruka I trust
pastel saffron
lol
stray moss
Nah bro 10 pull hoshi + haruka I trust
i have 10 pulls
prime mountain
💀
pastel saffron
if I deploy and retreat and deploy all in 1 battle, this should increase by 2 right
stray moss
we find happiness in everything
steel relic
Yes
prime mountain
if I deploy and retreat and deploy all in 1 battle, this should increase by 2 ri...
Yeah you can speedrun it
pastel saffron
but im happy logos is just one off p6
what does lohos p6 even do
stray moss
what does lohos p6 even do
looks good
woeful anchor
Include the 40 seconds 0 dps or your calcs are fake
not 0 dps cos her lightning passiv works offskill
smh
stray moss
nothing in gameplay
pastel saffron
I have logos p6 and ai wish he sees cc usage so I can actually use him for once
stray moss
nothing extraordinary
prime mountain
100 for record keeper
Fucking mood
Got leizi in like 50 had to put another 80 for record keeper 
(got her pot 2 tho)
steel relic
Pulling 5*s is the real CBT
swift sigil
Why are my E2 units golden? This is IS3 diff 16
inland elbow
Evolution mechanic
wicked sandal
crimson nest
Snip/med spec/cast