strategy

[void terrace]

Damn wait this is lowkey insane

Which is better

[craggy heron]

oh sorry I was doing other stuff

[void terrace]

Playing D18 is5 going for ending 5

Have sakiko and wis

Should take the avenger right

[craggy heron]

lemme try again

[fleet edge]

2nd one is better in high difficulty
1st one is better in low difficulty

[craggy heron]

yup
although amiya have huge def so u might wanna consider picking ros

[void terrace]

OK ros it is

Does it stack multiplicatively with enemy difficulty modifier

[fleet edge]

Ya ros just looks better

In theory Ulpi should still be way better even if M3 works but M3 working with sash would still be insane aside from the fact that M3 is abit too good to be a redeploy unit 😅

It should straight up kill bosses though esp if you combine it with letting her hit with S3 for a while

[craggy heron]

mon3tr s3 have a windup time
during that moment the slash would have gotten out before she even get to be on s3 summon's postion

[fleet edge]

But yea Ulpi after attack buffs end up at 4079 attack while M3 has 1742 attack

[craggy heron]

are u sure it needed to be slower ?

[fleet edge]

It needs to be slightly slower such that the slashes come out but before they hit yes

But not too slow such that the slashes already hit

Its a pretty tight window
Ulpi gets by because the 1SP cost naturally takes 1 second so people just mash it

M3 starts with a full SP bar so you need to time it yourself

[craggy heron]

hold on imma try this on ulpi too

:/

[fleet edge]

Abit too fast yea xd

https://youtu.be/LNxjEB_GGRQ?si=n7sC8u6ejZNqh-GE

This is the sash ulpi combo

Same concept except he starts with 14 sp instead of full sp

@craggy heron try to wait in slowmo until this blue flash comes out

That’s the sash s2 animation

[craggy heron]

uhh I just watched the combo and even watched it in 0.25x speed

and the slash came out before ulpi could even activate his skill

its not even sp problem

the slash always activated as soon as the op is deployed

[fleet edge]

There’s a 1.1s activation time

Ulpi started at 14sp

It’s 2x speed so you don’t see it

[craggy heron]

On mon3tr I dont have pc to do the pause deploy so alot of tick was wasted

[fleet edge]

It’s not about being too slow it’s about being too fast lol

[craggy heron]

the thing is, the slash is activated before you even activate the skill

[fleet edge]

It doesn’t matter
If it’s mid air and the you gain attack while it’s mid air the strike will do more damage when it hits

That’s the entire point

Ulpi can’t do it when there’s 0 tile between him and the boss either
They need the distance in between for him to buff his attack while the slash is mid air

Because it’s not an instant damage, it’s a slash that travels that calculates the damage based on your attack in real time

[elder flume]

U do know Mon3tr has 0 atk buff during deploy right

[fleet edge]

S3

[elder flume]

And the atk buff only applies when she enters melee tile

So youre hitting SA2 S2 with base atk

[fleet edge]

That’s not how it works

[elder flume]

Ulpi fails because of certain device ticking the frames too fast

[fleet edge]

The entire point is to gain attack while the slashes are mid air

Because both ulpi and m3 s3s are considered redeploys

[elder flume]

I'll just record in abit
I alr tested Mon3tr a few days ago

[fleet edge]

The damage doesn’t line up?

But yea in theory it should

That’s the entire point of why Ulpi works

[elder flume]

2 slashes

1 slashes

Its device frames related for Ulpi

No matter if you do it fast or slow

And Ulpi is 6k attack alone

[fleet edge]

You activated it abit too fast
It’s not frame related look at them side by side

@elder flume your 2nd one activated before the blue flash came up

It’s human error

It’s milliseconds of difference but it’s there

[craggy heron]

okay so I tested out two strat

[fleet edge]

It literally doesn’t matter I’m trying to solve mechanics here

[craggy heron]

one is waiting for 2 slash to hit and one is waiting for module light to shows up

and yeah it did kinda 1 shot patriot

the ulpi I used was mod3 s3m3

[fleet edge]

Waiting for blue flash is the way to go ye

Now to figure out if the exact same timing works for m3

[craggy heron]

It might work but probably not gonna be as high as ulpi

[fleet edge]

Obv not but we’re trying to solve mechanics behind sash s2 here

Like that other guy that came here and pretended he knew how it works

[craggy heron]

ehh technically I was calling this bs too until I tried it 2 possible way

[fleet edge]

Trying to understand the mechanics behind it is very interesting compared to just thinking it’s luck related or frame related or whatever

And which operators can possibly work with it

[elder flume]

this is my testing so far
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15lpkXI4sQxYOfs5s6c4HF-nhqD2sxF6inXSRtRSzqTs/edit?usp=sharing

i'll still retry Mon3tr for a bit

[plucky flint]

ngl I expected a compilation of short vids but this also counts

[elder flume]

too much file size

[plucky flint]

fair enough

[elder flume]

and theres another tab technically where i charged every op with 20 sp that can get attack buff

includes Vigna and Eunectes etc

[fleet edge]

Are there other ops with similar situation like m3 and Ulpi

Where they redeploy themselves

Those will be the ones that need special considerations for timing since the slashes disappear if you skill too fast

[craggy heron]

I think I either did it wrong or the result is not that impressive

[fleet edge]

First one is only 1 slash so abit too fast
Don’t listen to the sound it’s a bait
But either ways it looks like the damage isn’t enough to break patriots armor

The slash sound comes out before the blue flash does

[craggy heron]

[plucky flint]

you can test on other bosses if you can't see much of a difference

[elder flume]

Pat stage is one of the better test stage

[fleet edge]

Yea attack-def is brutal for patriot

[elder flume]

since mines make her slashes show up in number

[fleet edge]

M3 has 1742 attack after skill

[plucky flint]

oh ye it's a damage amp

[elder flume]

its how i ruled out those that failed to get atk buff on first slash

[fleet edge]

Wait for some reason there’s no blue flash for m3

Huh

[craggy heron]

she doesnt have mod

the flash was the module flash

same on ulpi

[fleet edge]

Interesting

Gonna be way harder to get the timing then

The module flash looks like it’s the correct timing

[elder flume]

i used Sora to time her

if you wait longer then first slash will always stay no atk buff

[fleet edge]

[fleet edge]

Looks like it’s straight up like a few frames from being launched

M3 is probably ruled out from having 2 slashes buffed then unless it’s hyper specific 3 tile gap

At best probably 1 slash buffed 1 slash not buffed

[void terrace]

I FINALLY DID IT

D18 amiya endingg

Urgh still have high difficulty quilon version but still

At least I can be happy now 🫠🫠🫠

[fossil sphinx]

245 soon

:ya:

[void terrace]

Urgh

I swear I hate how it still needs a lot of rng

You need both grand wish and the atk and hp inspire, plus a bunch more hp relics

Just to let your vanguard not instantly get squished

Then you need so much sheild

[fossil sphinx]

not too bad tbh
as long as you’re actively saving the inspirers across the run you’ll usually have it

[void terrace]

Grand wish is the big rng factor for me

Idk why it's so rare for my runs

[lethal ferry]

Does anyone know how much lunacub’s module reduces her attack interval by?

[elder flume]

0.25

[zenith relic]

These are my current units which I am using to clear os ex 8 and these are the units I have https://www.krooster.com/u/ryuken

Can I Even clear this ?

[lethal ferry]

Ty

[plucky flint]

Holy gitano max

[zenith relic]

Skill card and level card

[elder flume]

im guessing this is above your paygrade
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ih1SB5Ep9?spm_id_from=333.788.videopod.episodes&p=15

[knotty steppe]

Can anyone explain me how to beat OS-10? Every time I'm doing 91/93 and then die to snowball bullshit

[plucky flint]

use more bodies

[plucky flint]

why are you borrowing lapp2

[knotty steppe]

To clear trash all over map

[zenith relic]

Dang

[elder flume]

most trash dies or gets close to death on their own

[knotty steppe]

I figured something global would be fine for tgat

[plucky flint]

nah just borrow pram2 if that's your case

[zenith relic]

Can I replace gummy with nearl and which direction are they facing btw

[plucky flint]

ye

[zenith relic]

All the ops

[plucky flint]

I have e0 nearl so I just use gummy for reference

[zenith relic]

[plucky flint]

exu facing right, lemon down, and whatever ptilo

[zenith relic]

[somber falcon]

they both have 0 range
what does their direction matter

[zenith relic]

The range units

[plucky flint]

Just add more bodies to the right side

[bright juniper]

for sash2 schwing schwing it matters smh

[zenith relic]

So from pram 2 then nearl and all the other else am I right ?

[zenith relic]

I meant placement

[plucky flint]

ye

[zenith relic]

Alr thnks g . I am gonna try it out

[lofty stag]

<@&586570970345635868>

[plucky flint]

nice cat pfp

[zenith relic]

<@&586570970345635868>

[rustic eagle]

im back struggling on cm this time

i brough degen to e2sl7, i could level her up more but idt it would make a difference

[hidden axle]

Stage?

[rustic eagle]

cm8

os-excm8

im working with pram, borrow (wis) and degen

and tequila ig but i dont find too much of a use for him here except eating dmg most of the time

[pearl compass]

S3M3 will do make a difference tho.

[rustic eagle]

i dont have the resources for that lol

my pram is sl7 too

[fleet edge]

Which part are you losing to?

[rustic eagle]

i forgot what it does on s3 on pram too ngl

[fleet edge]

It’s a really strong skill but S2 is just so comfy

S3 straight up kills everything though

[rustic eagle]

i dont think s2 is doing shit for me on that stage

[fleet edge]

It’s interesting that everyone is struggling so much

I really don’t think my account is stacked

[rustic eagle]

i mean you should see my lineup lol

[plucky flint]

I mean have you seen his op

[fleet edge]

I don’t have all the meta units and I cleared it fine

[rustic eagle]

show

we can compare atp lol

[fleet edge]

My auto deploy

Most of them didn’t do anything tho

[rustic eagle]

yeaaaa

[plucky flint]

surprise

[rustic eagle]

doesnt really compare

[fleet edge]

Pram s2 was the one carrying it

[rustic eagle]

i guess i could e2 ptilo

[fleet edge]

She soloed the entire left side

[plucky flint]

please don't

[fleet edge]

I don’t remember what Ptilopsis did

[rustic eagle]

left side is just fodder anyway

[plucky flint]

Just bring more bodies

[rustic eagle]

lmao theres plenty trust

[fleet edge]

It’s not
Left side is where she can attack the boss too

[rustic eagle]

everything else is useless

[fleet edge]

She soloed the boss for me

[rustic eagle]

the boss is irrelevant tbf

[fleet edge]

This is the tile I put Pram on

[plucky flint]

who do you want to heal that much

[fleet edge]

What did you die to?

I’m confused

[rustic eagle]

[fleet edge]

If you handle the entire left side with pram ur dying to right side?

The air minions?

Just put a sniper there

[rustic eagle]

#strategy message

here you go lol

only difference is i have an e2 degen

[plucky flint]

get your gummy to e1 40 or something

[fleet edge]

What the hell

[rustic eagle]

which is very helpful

but not enough

[fleet edge]

Uh

I think

[plucky flint]

told you

[fleet edge]

Your best course to finish it

Is to e2 Raidan

[plucky flint]

it's practically 3 op trust farm clear or something

[fleet edge]

Raidan and Pram and just clear it

Raidan will take you some time playing is6 but it doesn’t take resources

[rustic eagle]

i could

lowkey radian gets cooked very fast by the boss tho she wont have much uptime

but i may do that youre right

[fleet edge]

? How is she dying to the boss

[rustic eagle]

i dont got anything to protect her so

i guess i could place her before wis but idk if early radian could handle everything

[fleet edge]

Her minions get targetted over her?

[rustic eagle]

are you suggesting i use s1

[glass monolith]

Are we forgetting boss just start randomly target our shit with icicles because complete rng targeting is fun?

[fleet edge]

I mean that doesn’t matter if you have a half decent medic

Which can be Ansel or smth

Idk

[rustic eagle]

i dont think the medic would do enough based on past experiences but i guess i can try once i get radian down

i have e1 ptilo tbf on skill she probably does smth

[plucky flint]

or you know, put pram2 on right side

[rustic eagle]

maybe i can try more in that direction but when i tried base stage it didnt feel like the way

[plucky flint]

can deal with bats dears and boss

[rustic eagle]

im doing that she gets nuuuuked tho

so i keep her on and off

[fleet edge]

I don’t even think Wisadel is who you should be borrowing

[rustic eagle]

shes the only one who lives shit cuz of invis so

[fleet edge]

It sounds like all your issues can be solved with a single healer

[rustic eagle]

yes and then all my issues become killing ice blocks

[fleet edge]

I didn’t even notice the boss damage btw

I just had Skalter floating around

[fleet edge]

Why are the ice blocks activating

[rustic eagle]

?

you think i can keep the area from getting reached lol

[fleet edge]

Dare I suggest using Ling

Pretty sure Ling can solo the stage if Pram handles the flying mobs

You only need to worry about the reindeer stun

Which you can use a helidrop to counter

[plucky flint]

unfortunately there's only Ling + haruka/exu2

[rustic eagle]

based on single clears ive seen she needs haruka to be kept alive

[plucky flint]

pram2 will die from boss phase 2

[rustic eagle]

also, yes pram doesnt last much

[fleet edge]

In that case
Borrow Haruka
Put everyone right side so Haruka heals both Raidan and Pram
Use Raidan S2 to solo the left side as well as not let mobs enter right side while pram kills everything

It’s interesting that survivability is such a big issue but I never realised it

Basically this clear except you substitute these 3 red circles with Raidan S2 summons

Or if you somehow manage to get a strong enough healer you use Ling summons for those

[rustic eagle]

are you sure radian s2 is capable of allthat

for left side

[fleet edge]

Would be way easier if they’re massive blue dragons

Why don’t you have a decent healer

[rustic eagle]

well would be easier if i had a full e2 roster too lol

[fleet edge]

I mean ling is a full e2 roster

[rustic eagle]

.... yea clearly

[plucky flint]

lemme borrow ur raidian

[rustic eagle]

shure

[plucky flint]

can't find e1 raidian smh

[rustic eagle]

if you think an e2 would do it tho

i can e2 her tbf

try with your own

[plucky flint]

I have e0 lmao

[elder flume]

E1 Raidian stranger support is a myth

[rustic eagle]

nawwwww

[fleet edge]

I put e2 Raidan on my support now

lol

The rewards are too juicy to not play is6

[rustic eagle]

e1 radian on support

[fleet edge]

You know what
For the sake of it Imma just go try

Ling that stage

[rustic eagle]

you know thats not something i can do do you

[plucky flint]

I don't have the motivation to play IS rn

[fleet edge]

Fair?

[rustic eagle]

take out ptilo then yes

[fleet edge]

You have Ptilopsis

Smh

[rustic eagle]

shes e1

[elder flume]

surely wont be that much difference unless S2M3 :clueless:

[rustic eagle]

i will gp study more the arkrec necrass pram run tbf

the boss targets summons btw

[plucky flint]

she got one shotted

[rustic eagle]

[rustic eagle]

i knew it lol

[azure roost]

fyril pro

[odd forge]

Me tryna challenge only 6 ops
https://youtu.be/hlzrXKdGO6E?si=snQF7yDrsLR3D50I

[azure roost]

@plucky flint my blaze2 get two shotted

[plucky flint]

also why tf is raidian summon costs like a defender

[azure roost]

cause

she dont have normal module

[elder flume]

Ling S3 moment

[rustic eagle]

theres this one thing where they like

kill everything on the first top right wave

except one bat which they leave half health

i could not do that ever

[toxic flume]

Dawg 😔

[rustic eagle]

i think you need mastery to kill the deer faster

but im not sure at the same time

raaaaaaaahhhh ill go over it later i may have been trolling

[toxic flume]

Why the hell that Lich king on D14 re tanky asf
Like it took me 12+ minutes to kill him

[zenith relic]

Os ex 8

[toxic flume]

[rustic eagle]

base or cm

[zenith relic]

Base

[rustic eagle]

i think it may genuinely be this🥹

[zenith relic]

https://www.krooster.com/u/ryuken

[pearl compass]

Fremont?

[rustic eagle]

ok also theres some rng involved with left side

[plucky flint]

don't wanna play a game mode that takes more than 30 mins for a single run

[zenith relic]

By the way i finished it with @plucky flint help

[rustic eagle]

sometimes the avalanche doesnt proc unless i cause it to

[pearl compass]

He's fucking fraud, ya kno?

Dies in 2 min.

[rustic eagle]

sometimes it procs EXTREMELY early

[plucky flint]

the position doesn't work earlier?

[rustic eagle]

does someone know

[zenith relic]

Worked

[rustic eagle]

im not touching left side whatsoever

[toxic flume]

Fruad? Took me 12 minutes

D14 btw

[rustic eagle]

at least not that i can tell

[pearl compass]

Lamp of Wishes, do you know what is that?

[toxic flume]

Ik

[pearl compass]

Well why you don't used his purpose?

For King Relics

[toxic flume]

Well i only see 1

[zenith relic]

Are all IS the same difficulty or some of them are easier in chronological order like is1 to is 5

[pearl compass]

You should have all 4.

Especially Crown

[toxic flume]

I try

[pearl compass]

Which gives +150% ATK

ALONE.

[toxic flume]

Ik

I try to get king relics but my luck is bs

[pearl compass]

You don't need the luck

[rustic eagle]

@plucky flint do you think i have any better odds with cuora at e1 max maybe?

[pearl compass]

You need 1 BaseHP

To trigger 100% drop

That's it

[toxic flume]

Idk that part

[rustic eagle]

how long do you think she could tank 3 ice dudes on her

[plucky flint]

you need someone who can heal too, that's why I think gummy would be better

[elder flume]

snowball spawn rng prob

[plucky flint]

what ice dudes?

[rustic eagle]

the blocks

[plucky flint]

no way

[toxic flume]

So if you have 1 lp and go to encounter it might trigger it?

[rustic eagle]

the strategy im using rn i dont need healing i just need time

[pearl compass]

*Wish Fulfilled
But yes! That's all you need to 100% get them!

[rustic eagle]

i can try gummy tho

[plucky flint]

they have 1500 atk

[rustic eagle]

ouch

[toxic flume]

Yk what i always go to Encounter everyn my lp is 1

[rustic eagle]

maybe can she stall the deers then

[toxic flume]

And i only found the node that gives you two dear matches

And something else

[rustic eagle]

that way i can delay the ice guys from spawning

[plucky flint]

ye can

[rustic eagle]

nvm cuz they push and stun aaaaaa

[elder flume]

silence makes them unable to push

[plucky flint]

better then stalling 3 walls

[elder flume]

its a silenceable skill so

[rustic eagle]

... i have lapp technically i could try?

[plucky flint]

can e1 lapp work? like since it takes time for them to cast it

[rustic eagle]

i would have to try to time it so its not near one of the boss's nuke but shouldnt be too hard past phase 2

[toxic flume]

This is AFK strategy
That you can do something else after completing set up

Like i can go take a shower and still win

[elder flume]

havent tested E1 tbh
some enemies stop their action immediately when silenced
some enemies continue their action when silenced
havent tried much on deer

[rustic eagle]

ouch

i will let you know if i try then

and i level up the lovely ninja turtle

[elder flume]

i just know Deer in OS 6 can bring Noir from top left to bottom left

[toxic flume]

You re doing OS EX 8?

[plucky flint]

ex8 cm yah

anyways time to

[rustic eagle]

Gn

[hidden axle]

Do you have exu2/hoshi2

[toxic flume]

Gummy can tank boss's ball

[elder flume]

oh rip deer continues skill

[rustic eagle]

Rip

[elder flume]

so Lapp rng has to always proc silence before it can trigger skill

[rustic eagle]

Is it rng?

[elder flume]

well E1 silence lasts for 1s

[toxic flume]

[rustic eagle]

Isnt it just leaving an 0.3 window consistently

[elder flume]

Lapp attack interval is 1.2s

[rustic eagle]

Close enough

Is it rng how often enemies start attacks

Skills

[toxic flume]

No

[elder flume]

technically yes but usually by a max of 2 frames difference

[rustic eagle]

I see

[elder flume]

based on when your operator does block search

[rustic eagle]

Hmmm I guess I’ll have cuora pushed around a little maybe

If I stall long enough that should be enough tbh

[elder flume]

or use Shaw

shift cancels

stun cancels

sleep cancels

[rustic eagle]

The animation of the deer?

[elder flume]

skill entirely ye

[rustic eagle]

Idk if I have anything with that precise timing

I have to E1 Shaw ig

[elder flume]

its 6.6s normal 7s elite so should be enough time

[rustic eagle]

Wait

Do you mean that timer resets

Whenever the enemy is shifted

[elder flume]

it has a cooldown ye

[rustic eagle]

Oh wow

[elder flume]

like idk 20 ish secs

[rustic eagle]

So are their S1s enough

[elder flume]

SL4 should

[rustic eagle]

Ill try rope too then

[mental venture]

how the FUCK does anyone even clear this bullshit

[toxic flume]

Ahhhh yeah such a old memories

[woven plinth]

It gets worse

Get a sniper and just shoot them down

[rustic eagle]

I think your little funny girl in orange hair solos it

[woven plinth]

You can do it out of their range

[fleet edge]

Ggs @rustic eagle won

[rustic eagle]

Isn’t that no challenge mode

[fleet edge]

Elysium was needed for more dp

Oh ur in challenge mode with that set up

lol

[rustic eagle]

Yes

Also stop adding ops im not that rich lol

[fleet edge]

It’s only elysium

Robots don’t count

[rustic eagle]

Texas and Myrtle aaaa

Im not investing in dp gens when im getting sash2 soon anyway

[fleet edge]

Sash 2 will want another dp gen though

[rustic eagle]

I don’t think so

[fleet edge]

It’s usually a 2 vanguard meta

You also realise some stages straight up don’t give you dp

[rustic eagle]

Yea ofc

But still I don’t think you wanna run multiple vanguards

[fleet edge]

Anyways sash isn’t enough on his own most of the time unless you min max to hell
And even then usually you want 2 on certain stages

[rustic eagle]

Haven’t seen anyone advocate for it either with sash2 either

The opposite if anything

[fleet edge]

You might over estimate how much Myrtle costs to raise

4 stars cost super little compared to 5 stars which cost super little compared to 6 stars

[rustic eagle]

Yea but idt it’s worth it as I said idt you want multiple vanguards 95% of the time

[lethal ferry]

No no, 5* cost moderately less then 6*

[rustic eagle]

Not dp printers at least

[fleet edge]

I don’t think there’s a single person in Arknights

That would advocate against building Myrtle

[rustic eagle]

Meh

[fleet edge]

Not one

[rustic eagle]

With sash2 on the way

Multiple

[fleet edge]

No no, go ask them

Anyone

Should I build a Myrtle

[lethal ferry]

They’re wrong if they say that

[fleet edge]

[rustic eagle]

I can get you an occurrence of it happening in the past lol

[fleet edge]

I’ll just say there’s a clear reason why Myrtle is the number 1 most used operator in the game by far

And it’s not really particularly close

[rustic eagle]

#help message

Here you go

[lethal ferry]

I personally think you should build wangqing over myrtle but he is more expensive to raise

[rustic eagle]

I mean if she’s popular good

But I don’t think she’s worth keeping if I have sash2

So she’s not gonna be worth keeping in what 5 days

[fleet edge]

I promise you Myrtle will stay relevant in bringing even if just for the comfort of it
Probably way more so than 95% of your roster

[rustic eagle]

Meh

[fleet edge]

Myrtle will probably be used longer than Wisadel

[rustic eagle]

If I want to one day I’ll build her

[elder flume]

a 6 years old statistic vs 1 month old statistic + limited availability moment

[rustic eagle]

But with sash on the way I don’t feel interested

[lethal ferry]

Also dp generation is hard to power creep

[toxic flume]

Well i just comeback After take some lunch

[wicked minnow]

myrtle's days are numbered. wanqing is getting added to record restoration

[lethal ferry]

Wanqing = better myrtle

[wicked minnow]

a year or two after that matsukiri is getting added

[toxic flume]

Myrtle still the Best

[lethal ferry]

More dp, more healing, ASPD buff

[lofty stag]

I’m here for the Myrtle flaming

[unkempt lintel]

no way im getting myrtle glaze in 2026

[lofty stag]

Obligatory Myrtle isn’t the best vg

Many better options exist

Yall know this

[mental venture]

hey how do i even try killing the fucks that drain dp in 12-17all my ops just fucking die and i can only try doing helidrops im psure or else everythign dies instantaneously to phys dmg

[fleet edge]

She’s still a 4 star that costs like
1 days worth of sanity to E1

[bright juniper]

myrtle shilling summoned bro😭

[lofty stag]

🥱

Yes

[fleet edge]

Does it even cost a days worth of sanity to e1 Myrtle

[lethal ferry]

Myrtle is just good enough and so no one uses anyone else

[fleet edge]

[lofty stag]

Because we need to fight propaganda

[sterile delta]

yo whats up im here to pvp

[woven plinth]

Recently you don't need that much DP gen outside of CC

[lofty stag]

You’re free to use Myrtle

But

[sterile delta]

oh you're the mon3tr selector guy nvm im out have fun guys

[lofty stag]

You can’t come here and say she’s the best

[bright juniper]

there’s a diff between “myrtle is the best” and “myrtle is the best option for beginners”

[lofty stag]

MON3TR SELECTOR

[fleet edge]

What?

[lofty stag]

En can’t nuance

[foggy grove]

no diff since both is not true

[lofty stag]

She’s only the best option IF they already don’t have anything better

[fleet edge]

Anyways this channel suddenly became flooded

[lofty stag]

And guess who’s coming in Shu event rr

[elder flume]

is this good enough @mental venture
Cuora prob can replace SA with Ptilo healing or something

[bright juniper]

wow, I wonder why

[lofty stag]

Bro is half assing his argument and dipping?

[unkempt lintel]

where is that one guy to say wanqing is trash compare to myrtle coz he was born wrong?

[astral cosmos]

what even is this

[umbral kite]

worse myrtle

[wicked minnow]

hiiii rechord

[lofty stag]

Hi rechy

[fleet edge]

Anyways Myrtle is still relevant and worth to raise
Yall should uh

See his account

[rustic eagle]

I swear exu2 solos the stage! I swear!

And bro has the unit

[rustic eagle]

Yes I think that’s even how I cleared it

[fleet edge]

This was the guy I recommended to raise Myrtle btw

[wicked minnow]

damn new players

[fleet edge]

How much does E1 Myrtle even take to raise

[umbral kite]

not much i assume

she's a 4*

[woven plinth]

Not much

[fleet edge]

She would be comfy and relevant for ridiculously long

[astral cosmos]

kick plume and e1 myrtle
what was this even all about

[fleet edge]

And that account can use her pretty much forever even if more vanguards come out

[rustic eagle]

Yes but I have sash2 in two days

[elder flume]

ye Exu2 solo

[rustic eagle]

Sooo

[fleet edge]

It literally doesn’t matter if you have sash 2
You can still find use in Myrtle lol

[wicked minnow]

necrass1 crazy

[rustic eagle]

Why would I tho

[bright juniper]

crashout cause “myrtle is still the best” against wanqing

[slow bloom]

Does reduce redeployment time stack like if I use the two versions of silverash?

[rustic eagle]

She becomes unnecessary so

Why would I

[unkempt lintel]

should be

[rustic eagle]

It’s not like I need her for anything rn either

[unkempt lintel]

multiplicatively

[wicked minnow]

nop. misconstruing the point. you must be sent to jail

[fleet edge]

I mean nothing is ever necessary but you’re just giving yourself pain

[rustic eagle]

For 5 days I think I can take it bro

[fleet edge]

Did you really just like
Pick up “raise Myrtle” and jump to that somehow

[elder flume]

do note SA2 does not reduce summon rdp like SA does

[wicked minnow]

oh i wasnt aware of that

[rustic eagle]

• I don’t think she’s gonna do anything out of all units rn

[woven plinth]

I mean, if you really want you can find use for any ops. It's totally another thing whether it's a good thing to force an op

[rustic eagle]

Im better off going to cuora which is what I’ll do

[fleet edge]

It’s really not forcing >.> whatever

[astral cosmos]

alright drop this myrtle argument immediately
this is going nowhere
myrtle was a valid e1 for their account, that’s it
move on

[lofty stag]

You can run gen content vgless

[fleet edge]

I have sash 2 right now and I still use Myrtle

[rustic eagle]

I mean good for you ig

[wicked minnow]

[unkempt lintel]

my condolences ig

[rustic eagle]

I don’t think I’ll do that

[unkempt lintel]

anyway

[astral cosmos]

the keyword was drop

[unkempt lintel]

wheres the 12-17 guy

[rustic eagle]

Which is what I did

To farm pulls for sash2 lol

[foggy grove]

hey e1 myrtle guys so he can deploy that e0 units faster

[astral cosmos]

ok fine

[thorn zenith]

sob

[wicked minnow]

[rustic eagle]

I do have some E1s

[unkempt lintel]

u there guy... whats exactly the problem??? cant set up asap?

[thorn zenith]

trying not to trigger avalanche makes things difficult

[rustic eagle]

But in that screenshot I was trust farming and the rest was kinda generic filler

[fleet edge]

I mean the biggest point of having normal vanguards would also be summoners

[woven plinth]

Honestly, the boss giving random one shots to my healers was more of an issue...

[mental venture]

yea that basically it
everything i place instantaneously fucking dies and theres dp drain
also its adverse so half dp gain

[fleet edge]

You won’t be able to sash2 and deploy a whole ling dragon army
Or your Raidan summons

[wicked minnow]

normal player doesnt like summoner

[elder flume]

uh maybe it was a hacked game
unsure

[wicked minnow]

[fleet edge]

Raidan is a unit you get E2 max for straight up free

[rustic eagle]

Is that what it means when I see this

[fleet edge]

[unkempt lintel]

u do break some of those boxes yeh??? iirc it also give dp

[wicked minnow]

ye ik but normal player take while to build up to beat is6

they prolly have a good amount of units by the time they get e2 raidian

[thorn zenith]

guided tier 0 is already torture 😭

[wicked minnow]

case in point

[mental venture]

you cant really position it right to give out enough dp to cover both
a tank
and
a dps

[fleet edge]

E2 Raidan can be cleared using tragodia and Raidan and Myrtle

[woven plinth]

Boxes give you DP and increase your DP cap

[elder flume]

my chinese isnt good but i concluded the text to be inappropriate vid + vid deleted by author so

[fleet edge]

… you know I also just realised

[rustic eagle]

Ouch I see unfort

[fleet edge]

What op are you gonna choose for IS

For vanguard 4 star

If not Myrtle

[broken idol]

Beanstalk ig

[wicked minnow]

sash2 or ines

or beanstalk yeee

[fleet edge]

What the hell

[lethal ferry]

Beanstalk

[fleet edge]

4 star cus of hope cost

[wicked minnow]

also 5* agents for is5

[broken idol]

If you mean at the start, yeah, beanstalk

[rustic eagle]

Goated girl I have her p6 I think

[fleet edge]

You need to use a 4 star vanguard for IS6 start if you wanna be efficient to clear with as low resources as possible

[lofty stag]

I mean you get p6 4 stars quite easily anyway

[wicked minnow]

is5 prefers agents and is6 isnt particularly tight on dp considering raidian is a unit. is2-4 4* costs hope

[rustic eagle]

True but thats still not the case for all of them on my end

[wicked minnow]

4* agent can work in is5 tho some prefer the 5* agents

[unkempt lintel]

coz ngl i imagine something like... myrtle and sashter facing boxes doing their stuff...

and when dp up, drop likes of saki and hoshi alt to adverse the drones and the very dp eating monster u hating

[wicked minnow]

hope cost isnt too big so ye

[unkempt lintel]

but yeh lemme hit up if it can be actualize

oh i dont have sashter... ill borrow one

[fleet edge]

Is there a relevant/good 4 star agent
I always just started Myrtle Tragodia Ethan

[wicked minnow]

snegurochka is an objectively bad unit

but she's 0 hope cost and because of the +500 aspd in is5 she works ok

sneg is 4* agent btw

[fleet edge]

[lofty stag]

She has a good base skill right

[wicked minnow]

you are asking the wrong guy

[lofty stag]

True

[rustic eagle]

She’s the one they added in chap16 right

[zenith relic]

Anyone help

I am stuck on os ex 8

[lofty stag]

This is the place yes

Except I can’t help cuz I haven’t done the stage yet

So imma dip

[fleet edge]

Normal or challenge

[wicked minnow]

i did normal mode on welfare and CM on main

[zenith relic]

Normal

[rustic eagle]

I did normal mode on uh

Lineup of doom and despair

[elder flume]

im still stuck at EX 1

[rustic eagle]

Still working on CM

[rustic eagle]

Did you clear it with welfare yet

Cm

If you say no I will lose hope

[wicked minnow]

no mainly cuz lazy

[rustic eagle]

Do it

Give me hope

[wicked minnow]

me lazy

[rustic eagle]

Psssssss

Get your orundumdum

Surely a welfare only account needs it

[wicked minnow]

my welfare account is more stacked that 95% of people ye

[broken idol]

I think kyo has a video clearing ex with barely few operators including pram2

[zenith relic]

That's premium and I am f2p so no

[fleet edge]

Pram2 and Ling can straight up clear the whole stage

[daring escarp]

Yea there was even humus solo

[fleet edge]

With vanguards

[broken idol]

Premium is still the same if you have those operators tho

[unkempt lintel]

i did managed to open stage with ur potential openers in ur team here

[rustic eagle]

Amazing sight

[fleet edge]

Do you have either Pram2 or Ling?

[zenith relic]

Alr will try that and placement?

[rustic eagle]

Reminds me of my acc

[zenith relic]

Pram2

[mental venture]

huh
ig prolly because you were using sash s3?

[broken idol]

Embrace welfare reject meta

[fleet edge]

This cleared the entire thing

[unkempt lintel]

ngl i dont even need sashter

although quite clunky since saki and hoshi alt are on low health... but it works

[daring escarp]

Pram with sa2 passive can solo left side

[mental venture]

never used his s3

[unkempt lintel]

yeh i do use s3

but then again i drop the units even without using sashter

[wicked minnow]

i would imagine pram there would need some help to kill deer right side

[unkempt lintel]

nvm exulalt and ela there... rly dont use them at opeing stage

but ofc those two would be better since... they are cheaper lol

[fleet edge]

@zenith relic just juggle around the dragons
Use blockers like a dragon or gravel to keep right side demolished by pram2

[daring escarp]

Yea

[unkempt lintel]

just bring gravel ig to bait the balls

that the drone give

[fleet edge]

Gravel

[zenith relic]

Was gonna ask that but yeah that works 2

[fleet edge]

The deer dies in 3 hits

[broken idol]

Dropping a bait can help her finish it

[wicked minnow]

naaaaaaa. is your pram fully maxed?

[fleet edge]

Yea

[wicked minnow]

oh that makes sense 😭

[fleet edge]

Wait no lvl60

[wicked minnow]

wtf

mod3?

[fleet edge]

Okay I didn’t actually count the hits but it died

With gravel assist

Yes mod 3

[wicked minnow]

icic

[broken idol]

3.8k damage per pray is insane

[rustic eagle]

Masteries?

[fleet edge]

I can record a video I guess but it’s really not hard

Wait no it’s mod 1

I thought mod meant masteries

I’m stupid

[wicked minnow]

bruh

[fleet edge]

Mod 1 mastery 3

[wicked minnow]

this guy

has the same pram as me

[rustic eagle]

Oh so that’s another thing

[fleet edge]

I can record a video but it’s kinda easy

Ling is kinda stupid

Who gave her the ability to summon block 4 arts mudrocks that deal 5 times her damage

[daring escarp]

Lmao

I have 10% trust until mod3 and she's m6 while sash m5

But yeah she's already clears everything you need

[zenith relic]

Pls do that i tried rn but the boss burst attacks kills all the op

[daring escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1434332916430672033/Pramanix_is_Here.gif

[broken idol]

She is even useful for sss

[daring escarp]

No shit sherlock/jk

[broken idol]

[zenith relic]

[fleet edge]

Okay

[broken idol]

You can bait those attacks by placing one op in the bottom
(If you mean the 2nd phase attacks)

[wicked minnow]

the row attack that inflicts cold on allies can be quite rough

best to bait it ye

[daring escarp]

Is4 ed1 flashbacks

[zenith relic]

No when pramalt does the prayer and boss loses health every time a burst attacks comes out

[odd forge]

Alright, finally

[daring escarp]

Yea pram(ally) deals dmg after snowballs end

You can even ignore her since avalanche zone is what you have to defend from enemy entry

[zenith relic]

The first phase when she does three prayers and each prayer after the boss gets out of stunlock she does this burst attacks and my ops gets obliterated

[odd forge]

I love my squad

Frostleaf carry

[rustic eagle]

The big leagues are calling for this top notch strategizing

[odd forge]

Ulpeins is pretty op, always full hp with sheep

[odd forge]

This is my first time using ulpenis

[wicked minnow]

damn frostleaf sentenced to death in like 2 minutes

[elder flume]

havent really found a proper ex 1 strat

other than rdp spamming statue

[odd forge]

Nah she still alive trust

[wicked minnow]

i had a run where the slow from pram2 cause the golems to activate the left and right statue at the same time. this caused them to all get knocked back to the bottom statue. the bottom statue then activated then they all died at the bottom

[zenith relic]

U done ?

[elder flume]

CM ?

[wicked minnow]

oh dis CM

[elder flume]

nah im doing NM

since auto

[wicked minnow]

ye it was normal mode

[elder flume]

i wish CM is NM

[wicked minnow]

i wanna see if the auto was saved

[elder flume]

since the extra top row is so good with Chilchuck

Folinic wouldve been my raise if mod2 worked

Eben doesnt work either

[rustic eagle]

Oh this stage

What are you attempting to do

[elder flume]

hole everything

[rustic eagle]

Oh wow

[odd forge]

Wow

[zenith relic]

Yo I am waiting for you, are u done ?

[plucky mason]

Pram S2 between blue box

Oh nvm

Hole

[void terrace]

A little curious but why isn't shirayuki used more in IS

Especially IS5

I feel may and capper being a bit underwhelming sometimes

[fossil sphinx]

what is shirayuki supposed to do

[craggy heron]

artilerry aka aoe sniper are expensive to deploy

[void terrace]

She benefits from rumble hand tho

[craggy heron]

true but thats where flinger steps in

[fossil sphinx]

😭

[craggy heron]

which is grey2

[modern plover]

use shirayuki to make the game harder
i see what you mean

[hidden axle]

Big brain moment indeed

[void terrace]

I mean best sniper 4 stars?

[modern plover]

its only may

[void terrace]

May is the general one?

What about caper pinecone and acciddrop

[fossil sphinx]

its just may

[hidden axle]

Which skil are you even using on may to think shes udnerwhelminh

[void terrace]

S1

[fossil sphinx]

both skills are good tbh

may just too strong

[craggy heron]

pinecone is good too if you know what you are doing or you are drsilvergun

[void terrace]

Accidrop can kind of deal with spines

[hidden axle]

[fossil sphinx]

the pinecone that does nothing

[hidden axle]

True with all that aspd you are stunning frequently

[fossil sphinx]

just grab your free may and move on voucher sucks

[craggy heron]

wait I think Im mistaken aciddrop with pinecone

[void terrace]

I mainly just need a spine killer since I am trying vanguard sniper specialist start with ssalter

[fossil sphinx]

maybe start with someone that can actually do something

[void terrace]

Taking guard squad so ssaalter can basically solo most of floor 1 and 2 with jaye

I mean Im getting bored of wis starts

[fleet edge]

https://youtu.be/nqhwlHvcoZs?si=36tsT6dUaW4dSe5C

@zenith relic here
I didn’t put an effort into making it look pretty though

[void terrace]

I wanna use my p6 ssaalter more heh

[craggy heron]

salter is not really useful for entire is5 run

[void terrace]

Silverash not skadi

[craggy heron]

but hes great in is6 tho

[hidden axle]

We know

[void terrace]

I like him a lot in is 5 on high difficulty

[hidden axle]

Smh iirc skalter tactfort is a thing

[fossil sphinx]

you can pick salter for is5 just not as a starter

normal SA on the other hand is one of the best starters

[void terrace]

He's better than my Ines for fast starts and he can open stages really well

[fleet edge]

Is5 in 2026 smh

[void terrace]

This particular run is just challenge fun

I'm bored of wis openers

[fleet edge]

[craggy heron]

may I introduce you to trag start ?

[hidden axle]

Gvg

[fossil sphinx]

gvg has sash and sakiko

[hidden axle]

Or yk same sniper med except you ban wisadel

[fossil sphinx]

somehow we ended up with sa2

[hidden axle]

Wtf

[fossil sphinx]

or snp archetto

[hidden axle]

I meant SUH2A

[fossil sphinx]

archetto degen

or just normal archetto offrec

[hidden axle]

(Also do you have a playlost for sa2 and saki)

[fossil sphinx]

no i mean the guy was trying sa2 and its not going to work 💀

saki idk

you just

dont roll careless magic

[hidden axle]

[fossil sphinx]

!!

and get trag to save you

[hidden axle]

I roll suffering floursihung on chaos

:smileinpain:

[craggy heron]

[void terrace]

I mean I can consistently beat D18 ending 3 with ssalter start

It's not the most stable and a bit dependant on draw but he can solo most of floor 1 and 2

Main issue is clearing spines

[fossil sphinx]

its just baffling

[void terrace]

With his s2 and cheap 4 stars you can just cycle

[fossil sphinx]

because the other silverash can also do that

but also get spines

[void terrace]

Yeah as I said

Challenge run stuff

I have all ops in the game

I could use him if I wanted I guess

[fossil sphinx]

ready for 245 ☕

[void terrace]

Yeah

Need to get my last pot on normal silverash maybe XD then I'll use him for starts

245 is such a pain urgh

[fossil sphinx]

i think past p4 nothing changes too much

[void terrace]

Just for the fun

I like using max pot ops to start

Just a small challenge thing

Typon lem ssalter monster Ines kalt

Got some others but my account isn't that crazy

[fossil sphinx]

i just borrow a p6 trag

[void terrace]

Ooh perhaos

[zenith relic]

Finally alr thnks

[fleet edge]

lol I just realised I uploaded the loss too

Just view the second half

[elder flume]

M3 might be needed

[scarlet fulcrum]

insert ptilo

[elder flume]

Im so restricted in my 12 spots

This is Chilchuck highroll territory

[scarlet fulcrum]

Dang, too tight window for hole ig

[elder flume]

Well the good news is she can get it in time

No M3 needed if i highroll

[scarlet fulcrum]

Malding time

[elder flume]

The right side enemies for some reason are separated farther than left

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea noticed that

[elder flume]

Which is where Astegenne2 will hopefully have enough to be deployed

Actually Mag could be a better choice hm

[scarlet fulcrum]

For bind ig

I thought thats e1 astgenne, tho can relate the e0 art preference

[opal cargo]

hello my good sirs.

os-ex-6 cm HOW

wait

sending squad

[fossil sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669489344658014208/1496687640605626519/227dd649f3a39a292dfa17b0557d201813565823.gif

[scarlet fulcrum]

Dont charge the device thats it

[scarlet fulcrum]

Y3ah u have the shit

[elder flume]

Ye Astgenne2 ive been keeping at E1 1
Will raise to E2 1 if i need masteries

[opal cargo]

https://streamable.com/qxep2e

this cheese which i did for normal dont work

cuz

uh no spot for saki chan

[elder flume]

Think Lapp2 solo

[rustic eagle]

Wis too

[opal cargo]

any way without supports first ?

[rustic eagle]

Hmmm

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea very

[opal cargo]

ye

so how do i

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just don't charge the device

[opal cargo]

wha

[scarlet fulcrum]

1 deployment each area

U have quite stacked ops

[opal cargo]

ye i am just having a skill issue

[elder flume]

Worst case scenario avalanche stall device

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its recommended to not wake up the golem yea

[elder flume]

Even if u do Lemuen Hoshi2 Sakiko will kill

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea lemuen will do like around 9k dph i think

[elder flume]

Just have burner op to trigger avalanche

Drop the dps after

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh wait lv60 lower a bit

For example, leizi bottom, lemuen middle

Wait lemuen to kill golem

[opal cargo]

ima get akmap

[scarlet fulcrum]

Then deploy naran on top

[opal cargo]

gimme a sec

[fleet edge]

I realise a lot of people use Sakiko

[opal cargo]

arkmap is not working

fuck.

[opal cargo]

ok basically

[scarlet fulcrum]

Welp it doesn't have to be that order

Hoshit also very workable

[opal cargo]

put lemon in the middle

wont leizi get killed there ?

on bottom

or your meant not there

sorry

its 2am brain not worky

[scarlet fulcrum]

Probably less ops needed, but just brainded without timing

2 am, u need to sleep bruh. Welp its ur life

[opal cargo]

i sleep in evening too

like 2 hours then

and ye

i get 7 hours daily

i am not insomiac

anyways i try that thanks a lot

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just try that, lemuen first. Hoshit. Golem ded. Deploy naran s1

Thats too much firepower even without mastery

[opal cargo]

okie

doing this

btw lemon leave a few birds in the bottom corner here.

i think

i kill them using my saki

[scarlet fulcrum]

Welp the purpose only to keep golem sleep

They will move later

So let them be

[violet sable]

You can just wait until they fly to the objective point

[elder flume]

Cliff pull is too diagonal cant do like Pram2 did

[opal cargo]

ah alr i dont touch them.

[zenith relic]

It worked for me man thnks alot i finally cleared tho I needed to tweak some things but yeah it got through

[mental lantern]

can someone give me placements for this team on 4-4 my friend is somehow walle and wont borrow supports

[zenith relic]

https://youtu.be/KCyV69FRwDE?si=JhxFTfG2SxuXDSU9

Check this

It can help u

[opal cargo]

@scarlet fulcrum it worked

tysm

you are a wizard

now i sleep

[scarlet fulcrum]

yw, its just trap stage so ye

[hidden axle]

Lemon solos this stage

Oh done

[mental lantern]

he doesnt have any farmed up but ill see what i can do

[hidden axle]

Oh well

[zenith relic]

U need to tweak to box for a bit

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its probably doable with SL7 solo

[zenith relic]

And yea u need a push stroker 2