strategy

[pearl compass]

Those Junkmen just statstick.

[leaden steeple]

I can’t she’s already level 40

I’m all outta money

Can’t promote

[pearl compass]

Promote.

[plucky flint]

[pearl compass]

That's why you don't spread mats on shitty ops.

[leaden steeple]

Idk which ones are shitty that’s why I keep changing them out 😭

[pearl compass]

For example Swire.

[pearl compass]

#help EXISTS!

🥹

[left night]

Btw, def in this game is a flat substraction
So, having even a single e1 dps operator (like Kroos) at high enough level will help

[fringe solstice]

I think checking out the roadless camlot beginner guide in #help pins is good idea. I think early game sucks in arknights so you want to level cheap 3 star like kroos, steward, fang, spot/beagle to help proceed through the stages. Also the e2 voucher helps a lot

[pearl compass]

We just point to ops they worth attention

You keep them level up

Ignoring the rest

[leaden steeple]

When you say e whatever does that refer to dupes

Every gacha game should use the same letter

[pearl compass]

It's also time to use E2 ticket on 5☆ btw.

[fringe solstice]

actually you have cuora so you probably don't need to beagle

[pearl compass]

Nope.

[plucky flint]

kinda wondering where's the e2 voucher, spec kinda seating there

[pearl compass]

Every gacha makes the fuck they want.

[leaden steeple]

What is e then 😭

[pearl compass]

Elite (Promote)

[leaden steeple]

Ah okay

[pearl compass]

Dupes are Potential (Pot, P)

[fossil sphinx]

two eidolons

[foggy grove]

the junkman has only 50 but this thing give 300 def bonus

[fossil sphinx]

luckily dupes don’t matter

[fringe solstice]

it is the promotion level elite 0,1,2 like ascension

[fossil sphinx]

(mostly)

[leaden steeple]

I see the problem

K which 5 star am I using it on

Why did that crop weird

Hold on

[left night]

Most 5* are not worth raising, so always ask before you build them

[fringe solstice]

specter most likely

[left night]

For your case, specter seems to be the best pick (idk if there's more at the end of your list)

[leaden steeple]

Nah that’s all my 5 stars

6 stars are silverash and saria

[pearl compass]

Use on Specter

Since she has maximum use value from it.

[leaden steeple]

Stats stay the same even though she’s level 1 again right

[elder flume]

If talent unlock doesnt boost it ye

[signal lichen]

specter> shamare silence e1 and NOT right now, but will have to e2 amyia much further down the line.

[wary onyx]

SN EX 8 CM help

the thing is too tanky

[bright juniper]

what's your roster looking like

[signal lichen]

and also what buffs are you letting the boss eat

why are we doing this while an event is active

[wary onyx]

cuz i finished that event

[bright juniper]

your roster is your team, not the event buffs

[wary onyx]

ohh

[bright juniper]

you'd still wanna do the current event cause event currency

[bright juniper]

how are you not killing it...

[signal lichen]

i am now confused as well

[wary onyx]

its because of the thing that pass through

[bright juniper]

lemuen, wis, saki, and logos can all brute force the boss

[bright juniper]

the enemies that dodge?

[bright juniper]

use wis to stun them

[wary onyx]

i keep dying to this

[bright juniper]

use wis to stun them

you can place pram on the top right of the map and not worry about her dying

[signal lichen]

wis stun, lemuen has dodge ignore? and tragodia lure

[pearl compass]

Gnosis with ASPD + Stun duration buff from Roomba!

[wary onyx]

alright

[wary onyx]

lemuen dodge ignore only on s2 ammo

[signal lichen]

roomba also yes

[pearl compass]

He will permastun the Endspeaker and won't release him.

[wary onyx]

fr?

[pearl compass]

Look at Kyo guide.

https://youtu.be/53C5c6dV2LI

[signal lichen]

ok and?

but i mean wis stun is enough as well as roomba

[bright juniper]

make sure the enemy totems at where they die don't end up next to an ally tile btw

[fringe solstice]

can't pram2 just freeze them? or just use trag for elemental damage

[bright juniper]

yeah

[foggy grove]

trag should be enough no?

[signal lichen]

trag also

any of those 3

[fringe solstice]

surely it is enough

[wary onyx]

also the boss kills you instantly

when phase change

[pearl compass]

No, not quite

[bright juniper]

just pay attention to the totems the boss's minions drop

[pearl compass]

He can oneshot through the pickup buffs from dead enemies' head on the map.

In the Plus-cross form.

[bright juniper]

if there's blue glowey tile retreat the ally on said blue glowey tile

[pearl compass]

Otherwise he won't not only gets oneshotted.

But also gets banned for the rest of boss phase.

[bright juniper]

also use trag kitty to reposition enemies before they die if you need to

[bright juniper]

oh wait

change the top right buff to the technique

cause +1 block isn't really doing anything

+80% stun/freeze duration is way better with your team

[wary onyx]

thankss

[bright juniper]

oh, congrats

[wary onyx]

im just using silverslash

to freeze boss until it dies

[wary onyx]

yeah i switched to this lol

[elder flume]

Does it oneshot frozen box

[pearl compass]

Didn't saw that

You'll be first

[elder flume]

Im lazy so im asking u to do it

[pearl compass]

Im lazy too

[elder flume]

[maiden hound]

[slender nimbus]

How beat manfred? I tried to kill him with ulp s2 ranking and Wis going brr but couldn’t

[foggy grove]

that fraud has only dodge

canon disable it

[viral ridge]

is this after manfred gets hit with the cannon

[slender nimbus]

Nvm me killed him

[tired mortar]

fraud indeed ... i defeated him yesterday ... was prepared for a boss fight ... bro went out so easily lol

[pearl compass]

Manfred is always being fraud.

Like in cutscenes, like in gameplay terms.

[glass monolith]

My H10-3 clear is funniest chain of Manfred failing to dodge

[elder flume]

hm

oh i prob shoulda spawned next wave to see huh

[elder flume]

why does deer have lure immune :icant:

[pearl compass]

Which one?

[elder flume]

deer pusher

[pearl compass]

Oh that one has Lure Immune?

[elder flume]

ye

[pearl compass]

Interesting

[elder flume]

Revolutionary

[wicked minnow]

being only immune to fear and lure is crazy 😭

tragodia's days are numbered

[pearl compass]

Yet roach still on its prime

[elder flume]

unsure if Shaw is needed or if Gladiia pull is strong enough

[foggy grove]

roach vs dmg reflect

[elder flume]

actually Gladiia might be needed for next tile instead hm

[elder flume]

SA2 cost arrangement procs a frame after

so rdp gets eye buff before moving to right side

[wicked minnow]

delete a shield guard

[glass monolith]

Hey it is funny map where I used Ambriel to nuke all buff guys

[elder flume]

Manually its doable

[vital arrow]

huh what am I looking at

[elder flume]

moved Noir from top left to bottom left

[noble pewter]

R u gonna move him into the blue bx next?

[elder flume]

hes dead the next shift so uh

ive been trying the auto for a while but it keeps getting stuck to 1 frame Enforcer skill

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378624456821571658/1495719808572981248/IMG_20260420_163600_996.mp4?ex=69e7451f&is=69e5f39f&hm=8c3c92717d68e638567e5b03c21b996031a97a2ba5f2cca99d9e513383d608d3&

[scarlet fulcrum]

New player eating good

[simple tapir]

What is narantuyas best skill to use for lungmen downtown?

[plucky flint]

S1

[rustic eagle]

It actually takes just pramanix

[scarlet fulcrum]

I won't raise another defender (SA just for showcase no need for dp gen)

[odd forge]

How I do add 5 orundum?!?

[pearl compass]

Chernobog Annihilation has Orundum to Kill value that ends with 5.

Refer to Refund sheet.

[scarlet fulcrum]

All of farmable anni have that tho, just move on with that number tbh

[odd forge]

Okay imma try it

[hybrid raptor]

the spy chapter is kinda interesting

if only there's someone that can reduce the cost of deploying

[quaint osprey]

Hey, im new to the game and wanted to ask if anyone has improvements for my team? (I used the beginner team guide in the pins for my first team)

[lapis leaf]

no clue there's a thing somewhere that had this so quickly made a sheet with efficency for annis as we can't full auto all of them

good to know our instinct on seeing the numbers was right that a higher clear amount on outskirts beats downtown

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its really fine as long as u can proxy 400 any of them yea, the difference just that much each week

Especially for new players, borrow recommended for 1800 cap first

[lapis leaf]

outskirts we have a clear at 380 iirc but we also just got pramanix2 so can possibly get a 400 maybe?

[scarlet fulcrum]

#help ask the experts there

[lapis leaf]

downtown we currently don't even have the 200 bonus

lol

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea outskirts very easy with pram2

[quaint osprey]

Oh woop,s thought its this channel for it Thank you

[lapis leaf]

mhmm

gonna try get the 400 on there and that'll probably be what we actually run

and then support for other two

[scarlet fulcrum]

Can ask here if u need to help with strategize

[lapis leaf]

oh our outskirts clear is with pram2

[hidden axle]

I told you to check roadless camelot the other day didnt I it has a starter squad guide too

[lapis leaf]

thought that was a supported build oops

x3

[quaint osprey]

I did but im nor sure who is better

[lapis leaf]

hmmm, should still probably be pretty close, might just be some deployment fuckups as ik we did some jank

and then found out pram pmuch completely deals with the bottom right lane solo

[scarlet fulcrum]

Welp very low investment fine for outskirts

[lapis leaf]

we should probably E1 our beagle alr as we were using her

[hidden axle]

Snipers: Kroos, Kroos the Keen Glint (latter available from Invitation to Wine sidesyory after clearing the 5th stage)

Casters: Pram2 alone enough, just uh dont deploy and expect results immediately, due to her class's trait she wont attack off-skill (not a bad thing)

Guards: Uh specter for now, tequila from Dossoles Holiday sidestory, same 5th stage clear, silverash good too

Healers: Silence and saria should suffice

Defenders: Cuora is enough, maybe noir since cheap to rause if you need one more

For vanguqrds use fang and whatever else you get until you get myrtle from recruitment/silverash alter from banner then dump fang

[quaint osprey]

Holy

Thank you a lot

[scarlet fulcrum]

Im sure even with e1 pram2 the weebs wont reach urbbackline

[lapis leaf]

iirc the reason we wiped on outskirts was just not enough damage meaning our guards died

but also could've put pram more aggressively

wasn't sure how her S2 worked

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea looks like positioning problem

[hidden axle]

Also follow base guide in roadless camelot ( #help pins in case you forgot)

[lapis leaf]

This is the team we were using and iirc we just had skadi deal with bottom right lane?

[hidden axle]

Why the redscreen

[lapis leaf]

mexico filter

[pearl compass]

Eye saving filter.

[lapis leaf]

idk

[scarlet fulcrum]

Sephia based

[wicked minnow]

thank you for clarifying

[scarlet fulcrum]

So u probably ded from 350 caster hordes. U can bait them when pram in range. or bring another sustain. trimming them abit also option

Ur ops option just unusual

[lapis leaf]

iirc it was melee units? our memory is ass xp

[lapis leaf]

x3

[scarlet fulcrum]

Caster ranged, enemy wise

[lapis leaf]

ye, I mean swear it was melee enemies that shredded us

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its probably too crowded to notice

[lapis leaf]

fair

[scarlet fulcrum]

Assuming its on 350+ count

[lapis leaf]

our kill count was 384

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yep thats when casters move

[lapis leaf]

we saw all but the last 2 of the 400 onscreen when the final leak happened

gotcha

barely managed to support 325 on downtown so that's that cap raise done

but yeah, guess we can try a different pram position

her pos was just above objective as didn't realise how massive the range was

[scarlet fulcrum]

For downtown u can borrow with those levels

[lapis leaf]

we did borrow

[scarlet fulcrum]

Who

[lapis leaf]

muelsyse

fucked up the positioning tho

[elder flume]

E1 squad can just take Narantuya

E0 squad i prefer Wis

[lapis leaf]

as messed up the aiming with kroos

esp as wasn't expecting those arts drones or the turrets

[scarlet fulcrum]

Mumu not carry materials

[river atlas]

mumu is like the opposite of a carry…

[lapis leaf]

lmaoooo

she is funni tho

[scarlet fulcrum]

Like above said wisadel better on most e0 squads naran for few e1 built

[lapis leaf]

the lil goober

[river atlas]

She needs someone with good stats to copy, which if u to borrow a carry u dont have

[lapis leaf]

don't have a wisadel in our support options

[hidden axle]

Mumu wants a built account yeah

Or to be precise specific units which only built aka old accounts are likely to have

[lapis leaf]

makes sense

only other option in our supports are surfer and ines

wait I'm stoopy there's tabs and a refresh button

[clear dove]

Hii im new to the game and I barely know any strategies.. [I started 2-3 days ago] I wanted to know if my squad is good or not and how to make it better, im blocked at 3-3 because of drones :")

[scarlet fulcrum]

U can add ton of wisadel from #friend-id

If u want naran u can add me

[lapis leaf]

sure

[river atlas]

Why is dober there

[scarlet fulcrum]

Cant open game rn, lemme know ur id will add

[hidden axle]

To whip those who slack off

[scarlet fulcrum]

Later

[wicked minnow]

how do you look at the squad and the first glaring issue is doberman

[lapis leaf]

Lillian#6983

ty

[scarlet fulcrum]

Alr

[hidden axle]

Now that you mention it...

What the saga

[river atlas]

because she doesnt require any understanding of the game to realize there’s a problem

[lapis leaf]

will try and get 400 outskirts for now then for autodeploying

[hidden axle]

Yo are you open to rerolling? Its not that you are bricked its just you can get a good headstart rn

[river atlas]

There’s plenty of reasons i can come up with to excuse other mistakes but im scratching my head on what lead to dober being in the squad

[hidden axle]

Actually

Nickname

[wicked minnow]

[hidden axle]

Bro gave in

[scarlet fulcrum]

Will simulate later if i have access to ak

[river atlas]

Oh waifu reasons got it

[glass monolith]

Need schizophrenia assistance? Slapping enemy over defender (in preparation to obtain agents and use them that way )

[river atlas]

The biggest mistake you need to correct first is assuming higher rarity = better

[wicked minnow]

i miss that being a thing i did unironically

pallas being one of my first units and all that

[elder flume]

Can do the same with shifters S2

[river atlas]

Higher rarity units cost more resources per level and more in general, you’re going to go broke trying to raise a whole squad of them

[clear dove]

Ooh alr I didn't know in my brain more star = stronger ahah thanks!!

[hybrid raptor]

too many 6* would make your progress slower a lot, i raised 3 stars at the beginning and it saves me a lot later on

like the amount of lmd and exp is astronomical

[pearl compass]

Ticked the perfect, crossed the frauds that should be removed away from my sight.

About hte rest

• Amiya - would be better replaced by better caster, nearest replacements is Steward. (Yes, a ThreeStar better than FiveStar, get used to have those advices sometimes!)
• Jessica - could be replaced by Kroos ThreeStar, she has better damage.
• Liskarm - would be perfect if you pick Cuora or Beagle instead.
• Hibiscus - Ansel is better, fine if you stick with her.
• HibiAlter - also fine, but use her as a caster, not medic. Would get replaced soon in some time.

That's all from me.

[river atlas]

A lot of 4* operators also have useful base skills that generate you resources over time, so not only is it cheaper they also refund their cost over time

[glass monolith]

I used Pallas S2 as stun source against funny WD drone summoners on old CC daily map

[clear dove]

Woo thanks alot!!

[glass monolith]

Me using Heavyrain to cheese shit out of Exu2 boss

[pearl compass]

He won't use her.

[glass monolith]

Sad

[livid elk]

Thoughts on who to pick here? Thinking about either Ines or Ulpianus, but maybe something more to consider here?

[river atlas]

Did you already buy it

[livid elk]

Well, not yet, considering that though

[river atlas]

Is not buying it an option

At least wait til they announce the next banner

[glass monolith]

Ray and Ulp be getting shoperator spot later this year

[river atlas]

The next event is stronghold protocol which means its probably orienteering

[glass monolith]

It is week 1 out of 3 for this shit, how can you be any sure Nasti when

[river atlas]

i am sure because they announced it in #game-news

They announced it so far back, SP had a release date before retracing 1101 did

#game-news message

[glass monolith]

Yostar? Announcing in advance?

[sacred phoenix]

how the FUCK do you beat degenbeacher

or whatever that girl's name is

that fucking teleport skill

i fucking hate it

[wicked minnow]

you can bait it then burst her down after she uses it

you can also just invis reveal and snipe her from far away

[glass monolith]

There is also CD between teleports so bait it with Gravel or something into blocker if you don't have throw reveal at it option

[wicked minnow]

raidian s2 works as solo boss dps so ye

hmmmm she probably solos actually might be worth attempting

[sleek carbon]

Can someone help me cheese annihilation 3

I need those gold certificates

[wicked minnow]

damn not enough anti air

[wicked minnow]

there's peopel who cleared anni 3 with wisadel borrow and or nara borrow

i just need to find it rq

[sleek carbon]

I can’t find a Nara borrow for my life

[wicked minnow]

#strategy message

[glass monolith]

Found my Exu2 EX/S or whatever boss clear

[limpid ore]

that's S stage

you can 2 OP it tbh

[glass monolith]

But where is fun in that

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its certainly doable, with simple baiting and caster trim. (But u have to Proxy it after since doubt it works for normal auto) Can u show other ops too?

But like i would say just raise ur ops a bit more and proxy the saltfin

[azure roost]

[umbral kite]

pramalter should duo it with a healer too

[scarlet fulcrum]

Invisible enemies...

[wicked minnow]

yeee

i havent seen talk of pramalter carry yet in this stage

[umbral kite]

blue box block

[wicked minnow]

regardless, it shouldnt look too different from wis i would imagine

[scarlet fulcrum]

Carry but probably with proper meele blocks

[glass monolith]

(Touches ice cube) LET ME IN (dies)

[scarlet fulcrum]

Poor ice cube

[umbral kite]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-kinkytwt-stan-twitter-stan-twitter-memes-monkey-angry-gif-25266657

the reunion grunt right before getting hit with 3879 arts damage

[river atlas]

Which one is anni 3 again

[umbral kite]

lungmen downtown i think

[scarlet fulcrum]

Downtown

[river atlas]

This one?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Nope

[river atlas]

Oh the one with the arts drone waves

[left night]

I just learnt that pramanix2 s2 can be deactivated
...Is there a reason to do that tho

[hybrid raptor]

yes, she's more tanky when she's chanting

[scarlet fulcrum]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1TeyZBHEoy/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click its with her brother (forgot he is healer in that faction) cant watch the vid btw fck

[left night]

Oh I forgot about the phalanx trait lol

[hybrid raptor]

yea after she finishes her chanting she becomes a normal caster, so very squishy

but it's rarely relavent

[left egret]

I like my four ops clears nowadays... SilverAsh Alter as utility vanguard, SilverAsh as extra laneholder/dps, pramanix alter as main laneholder/dps and surtr as bosskiller/emergency button. But I doubt that I can do the talulah stages with them. I suppose adding strong healers won't be enough? Just planning on advance as only 4 to 6 stages left in episode(chapter) 8 and I hope we would have dead days after this event or next one will just be non sanity one

[left night]

Just borrow logos and watch him za warudo the fireballs

(Or alternatively, borrow haruka, she can heal your entire team through the fireball)

[signal lichen]

You really just need a medic with that amount of stacked squad or borrow a solution haruka logos timing NG holy remember when ng was used to deal with tal? Yeah I am ancient

[lapis leaf]

ah doubled up oop

[lapis leaf]

assume this just means use a support to get a clear for cap raising on saltfin?

[scarlet fulcrum]

U have few nice ops in their rarity

Cuora good brick there, spot also nice with base skill as bonus

[lapis leaf]

iirc we haven't used any of the beginner free op stuff

so that's also still available x3

[scarlet fulcrum]

U probably wont need pinecone with pram there, but she is also decent

Humus also nice laneholder for newb

[lapis leaf]

heard cuora mentioned, guessing she's a more tanky beagle or smth?

as haven't looked too into any of the kits yet

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah far tankier

[lapis leaf]

icic

[lapis leaf]

humus?

[signal lichen]

4* reaper

[scarlet fulcrum]

4* guard

[signal lichen]

Very strong for his cost

[lapis leaf]

oh didn't even see him lol

[scarlet fulcrum]

S1 fine most of the time, he wants e1 for stats talent and +1 block

[scarlet fulcrum]

U still have free 5* selector right? In ur depot

[lapis leaf]

yea

[scarlet fulcrum]

And insta e2 5*

[lapis leaf]

5 star selector, specific 5 star selector, E2, specific 6 star

[signal lichen]

We don't have proviso right?

[thick sphinx]

Astegene alter worth using if I don't have suzuran?

[signal lichen]

Not someone I would raise still

[scarlet fulcrum]

Probably just launch 5* selector, they re pretty new

[thick sphinx]

So she's that bad? Damn.

[signal lichen]

It's just there's 10000 other things I rather raise

[thick sphinx]

https://krooster.com/u/adaptoid068
Any other 6 star worth raising?

I'm okay for niches too

I play IS alot

[thick sphinx]

-# trying to atleast

[signal lichen]

I would probably wait

[thick sphinx]

Well, I'm not pulling again until wang.
The only thing I can build is ascalon once she's In The shop, i need to skip ray and ulpi cuz next yr need monster and necrass

Tragodia too ig

[thick sphinx]

I should prolly build some 5 stars for IS tho rt?

[signal lichen]

Generally no

Generally we don't use many 5 stars for IS

[thick sphinx]

Krooster, greyy alt, those guys?

[signal lichen]

We either use strong 6* carry or lower rarity 4* and 3* for hope

[signal vector]

Canta, surfer, amiyi, etc

[signal lichen]

I mean yes there's exceptions but generally speaking

[hidden axle]

Look up guides in IS Central server for IS recs, invite in #is-station pins

[thick sphinx]

Amiya alr built, no surfer, canta need vg chips ig

[thick sphinx]

Mhmm alright

[signal lichen]

Yeah those exceptions will be listed in is channel

[thick sphinx]

Alr

[signal vector]

What I do realize in IS that casters are frauds, except 2

[thick sphinx]

Mhmm

[signal lichen]

I would focus on your pram s3 m3 next if I were you

[thick sphinx]

Pram alt and logos?

[hidden axle]

Said 2 being pram2 and hool

No logos is omega fraud

[signal lichen]

And just wait a bit on raising

[hidden axle]

He dowsnt scale well with relics

[thick sphinx]

Is her s3 that good?

-# do I need to do masteries on tin man tho?

[signal vector]

Ho'ol has that ED5 schizo strat lol

[thick sphinx]

Ooof

[hidden axle]

Yeah

[hidden axle]

You prefer multiplixative modifiers on skills for good scaling with relics

[signal vector]

Wait till my banshee goat get an alpha mod, and he'll shit on everyone

[thick sphinx]

Mhmm

[hidden axle]

https://is-central.github.io/general-knowledge/damage-calculations/

[thick sphinx]

Yea

[marsh ocean]

you can turn it off to give her a kiss then turn it on again

[signal vector]

Spec and snip are competitive, guards are kinda (maybe) competitive I guess while defenders and casters are just 1 or 2 worth while candidates and a bunch of frauds

[bright juniper]

supporters just forgotten 💔

[hidden axle]

Snip isnt competitve unless you are playing with bans

Ideally that is

Actually

[signal vector]

Ah ye trag angelina rad haruka

[bright juniper]

and now gnosis

[hidden axle]

Did you mean in general

Or just is6

[signal vector]

I dont draft supporters

[signal vector]

General

[hidden axle]

Eh yk what snip ticket competitive if snipmedic

Else its aight

But that goes for every viable class squad

Except spec

[signal vector]

Spec is just way too competitive

[hidden axle]

Yeah spec units viable everywhere

[signal vector]

To the extend that there are 2 fckin 4* competing for that ticket 🥀

[hidden axle]

And smh three of them are limited

2 of them 3 being collab

And the 4th mozuko being kernel

Whos the other 4 star

Ik ethan is one

Is it gravel

[signal vector]

Gravel and ethan

[bright juniper]

specialists truly excelling at being special

[hidden axle]

From a slave to being a prime pick in spec

What a rise

Kidney toucbing story

sniff

[prisma elk]

Crownslayer is almost at 100 trust for her max mod, should I build Eunectus after CS as a haha funny permastall thing?

Is it funny enough to justify it or there's a more funnier permastun set up?

[glass monolith]

What if CS + Titi

[elder flume]

uh since the old days its been Erato Nothing into now CS Eun / Nothing Exu2 for stun

[weak gazelle]

permastun?
hmmm, my knowledge still at bibeak :icant:

[elder flume]

Bibeak needed talent stack to keep up iirc and fails if fast enough enemy

[scarlet fulcrum]

Erato forgotten now

[elder flume]

why did i write April

[prisma elk]

Hm, wait I have Nothing built already... And exu2... I guess I just never remembered I have Nothing as my base op cuz I run wordly plight...

[weak gazelle]

yeah, the flaw bibeak have

[glass monolith]

People count sheep, you were counting Rosmontis IS pillars

[weak gazelle]

arent erato is sleep

maybe i should try chen bibeak
been a while

[prisma elk]

Managed to do permastun niche w Nothing and Exu2, I guess Eunectus gets to collect dust again till I decide to try Reclamation Algorithm

Thanks for reminding me of that combo @elder flume

[glass monolith]

Lone Trail has Erato + Liskarm being balled twice infinite sleeping session

[prisma rover]

snow hunter really is abysmal dogshit huh

[astral cosmos]

wouldn't exactly say that. i think she has usecases
coldshot sidegrade but overall less applicable

for your average joe account though, lol lmao

[lapis leaf]

Actually managed to create a working auto for OS7 it's so scuffed we thought we had lost only to realise we hadn't lmao

[uncut gyro]

Im curious how you did it

[lapis leaf]

We used pram2 S1 for damage

We based it off a video but uh our DPS casters aren't existent

[uncut gyro]

It took me like 5 attempts to get a working trust farm there
Would succeed then fail in auto

[lapis leaf]

So we just spammed shit at the problem and triggered the mech with one mushroom still alive

Then that mushroom was still alive as everyone killing it died

[uncut gyro]

Ah
For the last wave of turtles i just surtr the mushrooms and spam the avalanche

[lapis leaf]

But somehow all the tortoise didn't leak, ig the stun was enough for lava???

[uncut gyro]

I had surtr, saki, and hoshi2 carry the stage
And 9 ops to farm trust

[lapis leaf]

Icic

[uncut gyro]

Oh you’re new player, icic

[lapis leaf]

We just wanted to be able to even auto the state lmaooo

[uncut gyro]

No for sure you did Good job

[lapis leaf]

We used some scuffed stuff based on eckogen low rank strat

Only had to level 12F Vs what we alr had and then time everything right to not explode lmao

Okay OS8 is way easier, pram2 moment

[woven plinth]

If you take down the trees the difficulty drops alot - then just have some caster and defender to finish them off

[lapis leaf]

That's the problem, we couldn't

We managed to get the top one down on the last wave which was good enough

We sent amiya+ansel

Then Pram2S1

And then Pram to finally kill the last one at the very end

[woven plinth]

I used Naran on the first try, then Sakiko on a more 'clean' version

[drowsy heart]

The mushrooms are pretty easy though, just Steward and Orchid are enough (plus Midnight).

[lapis leaf]

Our micro was really bad ontop of all this as we didn't expect the clear after we instantly lost all our things

[lapis leaf]

Don't have steward

[drowsy heart]

Uh, well he's a 3* so pretty much any Caster can substitute for him.

[lapis leaf]

Mm, that's why we were pram spam + amiya to try make up

As we were trying to avoid levelling durin

[drowsy heart]

The first duo of mushrooms you can activate an Avalanche to remove half their health before they root themselves.

[woven plinth]

Keep in mind you can also use a ground operators

[lapis leaf]

We did that for both waves

Wait no not second

I'm stoopy

[lapis leaf]

Don't have any with range

[drowsy heart]

Midnight?

[lapis leaf]

As did go to try drop skadi on their head

[drowsy heart]

He actually does good work.
https://youtu.be/P74tpT2KJYU

[lapis leaf]

Oh yeah, didn't see him

That uh, probably would've helped

[woven plinth]

Any (decent) Lord guard

[lapis leaf]

The scuffed shit was fun either way

As knew we could do it with whatever tf we did to the mushrooms

As we did it before but leaked at the start as Myrtle moment

As we blocked the back with skadi forgetting she ALSO has 1 block

Oh swire also has range, so ig we had another unit technically

Didn't really realise there were melees with range

[drowsy heart]

OS-8 and OS-9 are also pretty easy, Avalanches are one of the stronger event mechanics.

[lapis leaf]

Yeah

Did them instantly with pram2

Outside of spam to speed up 9 was just pram 2 and a heal halfway thru

[woven plinth]

There are quite a bit of them really

[lapis leaf]

Ig we just assumed it was like higher tiers or smth

[drowsy heart]

Arene is also a nice budget option for drones.

(Good Workshop skill too.)

[lapis leaf]

As we did see Ines had range before

As borrowed one and was like oh 2 reach seems convenient for stuff

[woven plinth]

It's more archetype than Ines specifically

[drowsy heart]

Base Attack Range is the same for all operators in an Archetype, yeah.

[lapis leaf]

Yeah, it just didn't really click ig

As she was only one we'd seen

[woven plinth]

You'll be having way more fun now then

[lapis leaf]

Or uh, noticed

Probably x3

[drowsy heart]

Some can also only hit air on their Skills, like Cutter (even deals bonus damage against aerial enemies with her S2).

[lapis leaf]

Still have had fun outside of lockout from event

[woven plinth]

Not that many of them, but there is even a 4* there

[lapis leaf]

We started playing this week

Or uh, last week ig

[lapis leaf]

Ic

[woven plinth]

But in general, Ines is in a league of her own there

[lapis leaf]

Lmao, we have seen her name brought up a couple times

[woven plinth]

She has major impact throught the story yes

And before SA2 was pretty much the best vang

[lapis leaf]

Oo icic

[drowsy heart]

Funny, Pramanix the Prerita's S2 can create a tile with Layers of Snow (1 stack) on the opposite side of a Protective Objective but cannot add any more stacks because the tile the Protective Objective (Frozen) occupies counts as having Layers of Snow (0 stacks).

[lapis leaf]

We'll probably continue the main story after the event as we have some story stuff to play with our gf anyway, liked it so far tho

[lapis leaf]

Huh would've thought it'd have just counted as 5

[drowsy heart]

If it did then whenever the Protective Objective (Frozen) died it would just immediately respawn.

[lapis leaf]

Oh, true

Didn't consider that

[hallow magnet]

They should do that fr

[umbral bronze]

How do I damage Kjerag in her second phase?

[woven plinth]

Attack her?

Honestly just deployed a sniper and she died

[vocal leaf]

and remember: point your guns at the bad guys

[drowsy heart]

The Saintess periodically removes her shield, so make sure she doesn't die often.

[plucky flint]

hmmm, pram2 solo anni2 is pot gated

[river atlas]

Which pot

[umbral kite]

first talent pot probably

[umbral kite]

so like pot5

[plucky flint]

atk pot

first mob has like 1050 hp, pot1 mod3 only reaches 1020 dmg

[somber stone]

Just bring eyja for potsim

[foggy grove]

wao big potsim

[somber stone]

Pots in ak are very strong pls understand

[prisma ledge]

[elder flume]

Can confirm Shining pot made her cheaper than Weedy for Ato jackpot to not hit her

[copper siren]

I fucking love AFK Surtr Hospital

[uncut gyro]

This works???

[copper siren]

yeah AFK surtr isn't even that hard now

[opal drift]

nice idea

lemme copy some aspects for it

[copper siren]

Blemichi is the one who showed me it was possible, I just optimized this clear for my units and had some fun with it

[uncut gyro]

What do you do about those guys with the high-damage aoe ranged attack

[copper siren]

the important part is Momoka and Lumen as your max HPS units, Warfarin for the 25% MaxHP burst heals, and then one or two power-strike or otherwise AFK medics. I use Nearl for her 10% healing boost here, but Rose Salt or Vendela are usually better

[copper siren]

place Lappy last

[uncut gyro]

I see

[copper siren]

she kills like 70% of the elites with her S1, and the ones she doesnt she baits the shots

[uncut gyro]

Wait how does haruka hit her

[copper siren]

since Momoka heals 3 targets it doesn't matter if another op in her range takes damage

[uncut gyro]

Isnt lappy out of haruka range?

[copper siren]

abjurer range is a cross kinda

[uncut gyro]

Ohhh

Forgot

[copper siren]

ignore that theyre getting stunned, i accidentally forgot honeyberry and kept lappy instead lol

[uncut gyro]

Also, does decadenza need to point right?

[opal drift]

wait

[uncut gyro]

Yea that pram2 placement is so funny

[copper siren]

no, i just didnt want her interfering with the left side

[uncut gyro]

Fair enough

[copper siren]

right? she's super fun

SA S2 is also super fun

[uncut gyro]

I wish i had her

[copper siren]

favorite banner since ato

[uncut gyro]

Imma try to grab her by 200 pulls

[opal drift]

more like I am copying this one

[copper siren]

both are great banners, great events too

[uncut gyro]

-# had to skip haruka because sht luck… dont want to miss the other rateup this time

[copper siren]

i didn't realize that tile is literally safe at first, i was expecting to keep SA deployed for regen lol

but yeah there's zero danger on that tile, so i swapped out my reed alter for lappy

which let me kill the cannons and a bunch of the annoying elites who make the HPS checks tighter

[opal drift]

since I don't run surtr hospital, I am inclined to use haruka to support the kjerag siblings

SA here is both anti invis + being SA

[copper siren]

good idea! im sure kjerag can handle this stage tbh

SA regen is insane

tho his S2 doesn't make him good at killing the bridge builders, i actually would suggest letting them live, as i have

really you just need some good AOE burst or CC for the two lanes

if youre not trying to do this clear, pramanix where lappland is probably works better

since the tile pramanix is on is safe, you could use it for an extra anti-air or healer

[uncut gyro]

Do you use lappy s2?

[copper siren]

S1

[uncut gyro]

Hm kk

[copper siren]

higher attack and global range

plus this is an afk clear

[uncut gyro]

Wait which is s1 and s2 i think im getting confused

S1 is the toggle on drones?

[copper siren]

S1 is the one that passively increases her drone count and can be toggled on to make her drones attack globally, but ignore moving targets. so they only attack blocked/stationary enemies

[uncut gyro]

Ye ok thats the one i meant

Do you have sash2 placed much or no
I want to try emulating this strategy

[copper siren]

i opened the stage with matsukiri on the bottom left, SA in front of him, and vulpis where hoshi is now

if ur also using mon3tr, make sure to place her AFTER your defender so the bounces go Surtr>Reconstruct>Medics for the bonus ASPD, or warfarin's S1 will take much longer to cycle

it worked for me even the time i did that wrong but it might not every time

[opal drift]

I use SA2/Enciodas the reignfrost

[copper siren]

yes, that's who I'm referring to as well

in my first version of the clear i didn't try to do fully AFK, i used him to kill bridgemakers and they bodied him

theyve got huge burst and his S2 doesn't give him any DPS increase

[uncut gyro]

This costs you sanity, right?

[copper siren]

but the truth is the bridgemakers dont matter since you can probably kill everyone without the sand's help anyways

[copper siren]

annihilation? yes, 25. but i was doing my weekly

so i just ran it like 4 times to perfect the clear

[uncut gyro]

Icic
I want to try this next time
(Well, as much as i can I guess, seeing that im missing pram and haruka)

[copper siren]

momoka is necessary to make the surtr hospital AFK, pramanix is not necessary at all just for fun. typhon can solo the right lane from lappland's position, tho you may need a source of helidrop arts damage to kill the cannons especially without momoka healing surtr

without momoka you'll probably want another infinite healer, or to replace nearl with shu and a medic

[uncut gyro]

Ill figure something out :3

[copper siren]

the ranged tile diagonally above lumen is surprisingly safe to deploy to, tho they can be targeted by the explosion chasers (AOE stuns) which will waste a lumen ammo if it happens. honestly i think the best pramanix tile is the top-left-most, right by the stairs

she can kill the stunners herself, and if SA is still on the stage you wont have to worry about her HP ever

the ranged tiles on this map are SUPER generous, only the one tile is actually in splash radius of the cannons

and theres only a handful of ranged enemies the whole time, who you can absolutely just crownslayer/texas/yato

or camp with pramanix or lappland :)

[uncut gyro]

-# could you maybe give me a suggested squad based off my krooster?
-# assuming i can bring a support unit

[copper siren]

i can try, but i havent tried this stage any other way than this so it might fail you

oh i see, you're pretty new. with these levels you'll have a much harder time

[opal drift]

here's mine

[copper siren]

i dont think Surtr Hospital is likely to work to say the least

[opal drift]

I think I can trade shu for 1 extra attacker in two tiles below sakiko

[uncut gyro]

aw

i can upgrade some medics
but not sure i got strong enough ones

[copper siren]

these sorts of aggressive placements bypass the cannons entirely, which will be useful with a low-level squad

[opal drift]

I put ines shadow in somewhere in right top red box, for lappdumb's wolves to eat the heck out of the bridge maker

[copper siren]

i have way too many medics leveled, i promise you dont need to copy me in that regard lol. focus on getting your carry units up once you have a couple good healers - mon3tr and perfumer (my beloved) will get you far. you could def. use a solid single-target medic tho just for the different range

sakiko surtr mlynar tequila hoshi are an incredible core set for damage

tequila and hoshi both hit way above the weight class you'd expect for a 5 star welfare and a defender respectively

[uncut gyro]

wait why do people know how long Ines's shadow lasts...
who tested it for an hour 😭

[sleek dagger]

anyone got tips for this stage 😭😭🙏

[copper siren]

cry

[sleek dagger]

💔🥀 been there done that

anything else

[copper siren]

i havent beaten it 😭

pramanix S3 clears tho

[uncut gyro]

how many medics do I need for surtr hospital?

[copper siren]

the boss dies in like 2 skill activations theoretically

[copper siren]

conservatively, you need at least 2 super-high HPS ops with infinite skills, plus warfarin, plus some healing multipliers

[sleek dagger]

oh WHATTT :O pog i’ll try

[copper siren]

lumen is free, for the second, you want momoka or eyjaberry

vendela, nearl, and rose salt all give healing multipliers

rose salt's HPS is very low cus she's an AOE medic, but her healing boost to ops in range is very strong

i like her a lot, wouldnt recommend building her to someone without lots of resources tho

5 stars are very expensive, so it's important to use your resources on ones you can actually rely on

warfarin, kroos alter, lappland, specter are all good and worth the E2

as for general account tips, i wouldnt neglect your 4-stars

may is incredible, and kroos can't be your ONLY marksman

[daring escarp]

Infinite skill is overexaggeration

[copper siren]

humus is also incredible compared to his rarity

[copper siren]

they asked for AFK - you can make a surtr hospital work with like 6 medics if you juggle burst healing active skills

[uncut gyro]

I think krooster and decadenza probably can hold the flyers in bottom right

Krooster does almost solo

[daring escarp]

Why do you need afk clear for the hardest stage in story mode

[uncut gyro]

Prob wont be afk without pram2

[daring escarp]

[uncut gyro]

Wrong person

[copper siren]

you have bigger problems given your roster levels XD

[uncut gyro]

Lol true

This just looks really fun so i kinda want to give it a shot

[copper siren]

it is fun, but it's not beginner-friendly

the AFK variant only barely became realistic recently for my 2~3 year old account

thanks to momoka

[copper siren]

we were discussing my AFK surtr hospital strat for annihilation actually XD

AFK for the easiest annihilation stage

the thing about Momoka is that she's not just one of the best HPS ops you can have, she's also secretly dealing more damage than surtr with her AOE

[sleek dagger]

this is after 2… 😭 is my pram jus sucky she’s e2 lvl 60

[uncut gyro]

Popping bubbles, right?

[copper siren]

i did say "theoretically" - mod3, mastery3, level 90 can do it, and only if the boss is knocked down right before she starts the skill lol

[sleek dagger]

yeah i saved her skill both times

[copper siren]

whenever she heals, actually, part of S2

[sleek dagger]

but oke i’ll try hiring one ig 😭😭

[copper siren]

nah just use it 4 times silly

im sure you can do it with those ops

youve got my goats ascalon and tragodia, not to mention sakiko and exu to carry

1 too few Handy, and just 1 ammo remaining on lumen 😭

not a clean clear at all

[uncut gyro]

Should i get Lumen and build?

[prisma ledge]

What medics do you have

[copper siren]

he's not a priority, but yes eventually. he's the best welfare medic for sure

since you don't even have a single-target medic built yet, i would prioritize warfarin, or if you wanna be cheap and save the dualchips, sussuro is the most money-efficient

[somber falcon]

just raise warf, silence, or sussuro

[copper siren]

E1-max sussoro will be enough for early content

[somber falcon]

skip lumen

[lofty stag]

Just in time to hate lumen

Don’t bother with lumen

[somber falcon]

he really doesn't bring anything that special to the table

[prisma ledge]

Silence Ptilopsis are good options if you own them

[copper siren]

lumen hate is totally valid but if they wanna copy my AFK Surtr Hospital they'll likely need him unless they go crazy whaling for eyjaberry+momoka

[prisma ledge]

Oh you got E2 mon3tr perfurmer and then E1 ptilopsis suzuran purestream and ansel

[somber falcon]

what exactly is lumen doing there that another medic can't

[prisma ledge]

wait

what's the context here actually
why surtr hospital

[copper siren]

1. specific range
2. there's this thing called Heals Per Second

[somber falcon]

there's an empty spot right next to mont3r

[copper siren]

context was this screenshot

[somber falcon]

and iirc lumen's hps still loses even to shining's offskill auto heal

[copper siren]

there are cannons on the stage, which i did eventually optimize to kill with lappy, but someone would be tanking a lot of damage from them before she killed them

[copper siren]

i dont have shining and i haven't verified that math either way

he also cleanses stuns, which is also optimized out of the clear, but would be important if lappy wasn't baiting them

[prisma ledge]

Oh yeah, AFK Surtr Hospital. Pretty pointless but it exists if very bored and want something fun.

[somber falcon]

heck, put haruka there and use the other medic on the middle high tile

[copper siren]

i just think its funny

[prisma ledge]

Ye that's pretty much the point of it

[copper siren]

if i was gonna put someone there it'd be Rose Salt :)

but i dont need a medic there cus there's another tile diagonally above lumen if im desperate for more ranged tiles (im not, the stage is easy and generous)

[prisma rover]

Can perfumer heal mud?

with passive

[copper siren]

passive healing yes

[prisma rover]

nice

[copper siren]

ops that "can't be healed" actually just can't be "targeted by attacks with the healing damage type"

they can still receive various buffs, including regeneration and elemental healing

[sleek dagger]

i keep running out of time 😭😭

[copper siren]

hmm maybe the hard version is more strict with time then

[sleek dagger]

[copper siren]

no, you have 7 minutes either way

[sleek dagger]

oh

i just suck then 😭✌️

[copper siren]

you just need to cycle the dog faster

[sleek dagger]

idk the vids i watched they burst down dog hella fast

yeah

it takes me a bit i do it with sakiko usually 😭

[copper siren]

pramanix skill cycle is 85 seconds, so you have time for several

[sleek dagger]

oh whaa

[copper siren]

my advice is to do it with pramanix, and catch the boss with the second half

[sleek dagger]

but her skill lasts all of boss downtime

[copper siren]

you dont need to optimize it for minimal activations

[sleek dagger]

ohk

[copper siren]

if youre still short on damage, she takes a warf buff pretty well

[sleek dagger]

i don’t have warfarin 😭

[copper siren]

she already has a +100% ATK ratio, but she's also dealing a high attack multiplier

[copper siren]

aak right before activating her skill? amiya guard?

[sleek dagger]

aak? 😭

[copper siren]

amiya guard could kill the dog for you i bet

[sleek dagger]

oh wait fr

[copper siren]

i didnt use her to do that in my story mode clear but

[sleek dagger]

idk i only have her e2 cuz i needed it for story 😭 no other investment

[copper siren]

maybe caster will work better for you

[limpid ore]

which one is faster, aak killing amiya, or amiya killing dogs

[copper siren]

its the Intended Strat anyways

[sleek dagger]

yea maybe i’ll hire logos or smth instead of wis

[copper siren]

no no, aak is shooting pramanix

[sleek dagger]

what’s aak 😭😭

[copper siren]

you def. dont need wisadel with your squad lmao

[sleek dagger]

oh 😭

[copper siren]

funny twink

[sleek dagger]

ohh

😭

[copper siren]

he's a Geek like Exusiai alter, and he buffs allies by shooting them really really hard

[sleek dagger]

damn

[copper siren]

he does it in a bunch of small instances, so units with good DEF can survive it

[prisma ledge]

What's the context here

[limpid ore]

backshot

[copper siren]

H15-4

[limpid ore]

alternatively wait 6 months for zima2 s3 to one cycle prts

[elder flume]

just borrow Ulpi

[copper siren]

i know PramanixAlter S3 can nuke the boss and her dog in ~3 activations give or take based on how much she has to hit the dog

ulpi is a good bet

[elder flume]

idt your current Ulpi kills hm

SA2 Ulpi is almost 1 shot iirc

[copper siren]

lol

advice like that is true, but it's also why people default to borrowing wisadel when they're having trouble instead of thinking about what units do

it also requires 2 hard-capped 6 stars, so if they dont have one maxed they're not gonna be able to borrow the combo

i assume a "strategy" channel isn't just "borrow the strongest meta unit and ignore the game"

[elder flume]

sadly most players that come here do not want to strategize and choose the easiest afk way out

[copper siren]

why do the easiest AFK when the hardest AFK is funnier

:)

this post brought to you by using 4 medics, a guardian, and an abjurer to keep surtr s3 alive indefinitely instead of just deploying hoshiguma

[prisma ledge]

My brain:

[sleek dagger]

WHA

wait i thought that wouldn’t work cuz ulpi can’t directly hit boss 😭

[sleek dagger]

i have both

but yeah not max 😭

[copper siren]

well bare minimum you need mastery 3 for the skill 3 to be up in 1 second

but you also need the ATK from levels+module for it to be max damage

[sleek dagger]

oke

[copper siren]

(mastery 2 is 18 initial out of 26, +4 from SA means the slashes go off before you can activate skill)

[sleek dagger]

so i neeeeed m3

[sleek dagger]

but for this it’s oke cuz i can do 2 rounds to dmg boss?

[elder flume]

its like 70% off ig

[sleek dagger]

holy-

[copper siren]

i would complain that this combo isnt gonna do EVERYTHING for you and one day youll actually need to consider things like deployment order and damage types but. honestly it kinda WILL do everything for you so

[elder flume]

oh it had extra Nearl2 hm

[sleek dagger]

nah if it does 50% that’s good enough lol i can prolly kill dog twice

i’ll try the dmg w a borrowed ulpi ig

do u just deploy ulp and ult asap

[copper siren]

yeah you need to keep time slowed so you can press it fast enough before the slashes come out

since they'll read his current ATK from S3

which is +260%

[sleek dagger]

ohhh

damn kk

thx 🙏

does SA2 stats matter

[copper siren]

no but you want mastery 3 as well

here I'll break down the math

[sleek dagger]

😭😭😭

[copper siren]

Okay assuming all my numbers are correct:
max level Ulpianus has 1769 ATK. His S3 has a +260% ratio buff and deals 160% ATK multiplier damage.
Silverash S2 deals 380% ATK multiplier. The slashes it grants to allies are based on their attack, not his.
So Ulpianus's slashes deal 380% of 360% ATK, twice, and the anchor deals 160% of 360% ATK.
1769x3.6=6,368 (i believe ATK values round)
6368x3.8=24,198.4 (i know damage numbers DON'T round, and HP is a float)
6368x1.6=10,188.8
Each slash deals 24,198.4 physical damage
The anchor deals 10,188.8 physical damage
For a total of 58,585.6 damage

on the normal stage, the boss has only 50k HP
on the H stage, the boss has 60k
both have 3k defense

[sleek dagger]

holy shi

[copper siren]

this means each number is reduced by 3k, or the final total from 3 damage instances is reduced by 9k effectively

so you're dealing just shy of 50k damage total

meanwhile, the boss and the dog both have 75 RES, meaning pramanix is dealing just 35% damage when you account for her RES ignore

[plucky flint]

why are you using pram2 S3 there

[copper siren]

since i did those calculations at max level, doing hers the same way gives us
991 ATK, +100% ratio from S3, x260% multiplier also from S3, she deals 5,153 damage per hit, for just 1,803.62 damage per hit into the boss' RES
The boss is down for 50 seconds, but that time reduces for every damage instance, so you can't possibly one-cycle with her, but her skill only lasts 35 seconds anyways.

[copper siren]

cus she's goated. her S3 is great at killing the dog and the boss, and can do it in just 2 cycles under good conditions, and easily 3 cycles in a more typical scenario

but yes, obviously the single highest burst combo in the game which stacks the highest possible ATK without external buffs and a massive multiplier that hits twice DOES do more than a Pretty Solid and Fun unit

[sleek dagger]

did i do it wrong 😭

wait is m3 module or mastery 💔

[copper siren]

it does look like you were barely late

[pearl compass]

Latter 🥀

[sleek dagger]

timing issue or build issue 😭

[copper siren]

mastery 3 is necessary for his S3 to be up in time

[sleek dagger]

oke ye the ulpi i borrowed was mastery 3

[copper siren]

cus it increases the initial SP and reduces the SP cost

you also only got one slash off?

[sleek dagger]

i think cuz jump canceled right

[copper siren]

not sure if that's because you didnt activate SA enough times (kinda doubt it since he cost 3) or if the redeploy from the skill canceled it

[copper siren]

thats my assumption too, which is further proof it was too late

[sleek dagger]

like i clicked too late?

[copper siren]

you may have to try pause buffering or smth, idk

[sleek dagger]

okee

[copper siren]

ive never pulled this combo off myself, i dont have ulpi and my SA doesnt have M3

i burned through a ton of resources lately buying modules i dont need and masteries for ops i dont use XD

[elder flume]

SL7 to M3 is just around 3.9k dph lost nothing much

Just Ulpi S3M3 needed

[copper siren]

what the fuck do you mean "Nucleic Crystal Sinter" doesnt count as a crystal

[copper siren]

"nothing much" that's 8k damage XD

[sleek dagger]

ouh 😭😭

[sleek dagger]

lmfaoo

[copper siren]

my funny story teamcomp rn is Silverash, Pramanix, Snow Hunter, and Crownslayer S1 because it has a big ATK ratio on-deploy

silverash slashes are SO fun

and reducing someone's DP cost to 0 is cool too, gets round the DP cap mechanics

i'd call it a bad trust farm comp except if i put other ops in it fucks up SA S2 tho

[sleek dagger]

lmao frfr

3rd time apparently not the charm 😭💔

[copper siren]

he's such a cool operator, i love what they did with him

[sleek dagger]

husband too

[copper siren]

🤔 dont tell me it's a PC only trick

[sleek dagger]

💔💔😭

[copper siren]

may be a question for #help

[elder flume]

No they just didnt let Ulpi stack twice

Its 1 stack

Oh wait hm

[copper siren]

yeah

you can see it's there

[sleek dagger]

na here it shows 2 tho

[copper siren]

his skill isn't activating fast enough, and cancelling the second slash

[elder flume]

I can do it on mobile

[sleek dagger]

yuh

[copper siren]

🤔

framerate issue?

[sleek dagger]

ok so skill issue on my end 😭

[sleek dagger]

or this fsfs 😀

[elder flume]

Leme try delaying my skill use by 20 frames ig

[copper siren]

🤔 well thatll get two slashes, but they wont be buffed by the skill

unless my math before was useless because it doesnt actually work with ulpianus skill3 and we've all been lied to

are people just using his S3 after the slashes start to make all the hits land at the same time?

i assumed it was taking advantage of the ATK buff, not just "also using S3 at the same time"

[plucky flint]

S3 before slash to boost the slash too

[copper siren]

okay my math wasnt for nothing, we just dont know why its not working for them 😩

[copper siren]

watch the vid, is there a trick they're missing?

[plucky flint]

idk maybe not pausing before using skill, frame issue

wanna try too but phone is 10%

[sleek dagger]

i’m like on highest fps tho 😭💔

[copper siren]

i would try pause buffering like i suggested before. unpause and immediately pause again to advance one frame at a time, then activate as soon as possible that way

[sleek dagger]

oh kk

[copper siren]

the game is capped to 30 ticks per second anyways

which slows down when you're selecting an op

replied to the wrong message but whatever

your actual FPS isnt the same as the game's ticks - you can measure them by watching the DP bar or enemies move

they only update on game ticks

certain things are interpolated, but not those

[elder flume]

Its only a problem if you get lower than 30

Since uh

Hell happens

[copper siren]

yeah, the icebreaker games experience

😭

240fps on emulator? too bad. enjoy your 3fps slideshow with rubberbanding

irene still better for masteries 1+2 than any other operator for the 4th year in a row

[sleek dagger]

💔💔

[copper siren]

yeah you could hear the slash 2 frames before the skill came up

wtf

[sleek dagger]

😭😭😭

oh shit ur right

☠️

[copper siren]

its possible the slashes are tied to a clock, e.g. every second, and youve somehow gotten unlucky EVERY TIME, but that would be crazy

what happens if you set speed to 2x but still pause buffer

[sleek dagger]

oke

[plucky flint]

slash activates at 1.1 sec, ulpi S3 at 1 sec after deployment

[copper siren]

If the slash originates from another Operator, the attack will have its damage calculated using their own ATK, will trigger 1.1 seconds after they are deployed, can be triggered once every 0.5 seconds, and is considered without a source.

[plucky flint]

sounds faster than slash

[copper siren]

🤔

[copper siren]

what triggers the sound then? the deployment? i assumed the sound starts on the same frame as the attack is processed

it certainly seems that way

[plucky flint]

for the convenience, can borrow spalter mody for +sp boost

[sleek dagger]

now u hear it 2 pauses before 😭

[copper siren]

both of my friends with Ulpipi supports only maxed S2...

so i can't test myself

nvm finally rerolled a stranger with a hard capped ulpipi

[sleek dagger]

lmao noice

[copper siren]

mod3, 90, M9... the juice

[sleek dagger]

i had to unfriend someone with mid ulpi to reroll one with m3 💀

tho mod2 but that shouldn’t matter right 😭

[copper siren]

i was able to buffer 7 pauses between the sound and the skill activation
but i did get 2 slashes, so i assume i got full damage

(tested on a stage with no boss sitting there, could find a better one)

[sleek dagger]

oh

huhhhhh

[elder flume]

SL7 SA2

There is a chance the frames got skipped on higher end device but seems weird

[copper siren]

visually it looks like you were late, and the damage is definitely not the expected 40k either

but at the same time, the skill bar is clearly visible when the slashes come out 🤔

i also just had the awful thought of "what if there's a difference based on skin animations" like platinum/angelina have

[sleek dagger]

☠️

naaaaaaaaaah 🥀

[copper siren]

i dont think there is

just a bad thought XD

[plucky flint]

doesn't work for me too

[sleek dagger]

[sleek dagger]

what skin

[plucky flint]

base skin

will try 1 more time

[copper siren]

me and coconut are both using the skin so thats definitely not it

its 2am so i cant stay up and record an example sorry

goodnight and good luck

[sleek dagger]

oh yeah 😭

tysmmm btw 🙏💗

[pearl compass]

<@&586570970345635868>

[plucky flint]

does this counts or not

nah not that

<@&586570970345635868>

[foggy grove]

so many bots

[copper siren]

oh that looks almost exactly like a scam that my account sent a bunch of ppl when it got hacked 😭

[sleek dagger]

holy dmg

[plucky flint]

so the S3 works?

is this a p2l skin issue

[copper siren]

🤔 was my damage math wrong in some way, cus that should be dealing 40~55k damage depending on SA's mastery level

[copper siren]

i dont think so

i got the 2 slashes with the skin

but i wasnt doing it against H15-4 cus im bad at the game

im getting skill issued trying to record XD

after saying i would go to sleep

H stages got hands

[foggy grove]

you forgor stage multiplier for H stage

[elder flume]

Nidhog you know why Ulpi miss second slash ?

surely not high end device right

[copper siren]

All enemies (including PRTS and the Mimic Machine) have their HP and ATK/DEF increased by 60% and 30%, respectively.
So I did.... I assumed that was included in their stats on the wiki 😭

the damage comparison isn't as big of a difference but the HP bar does change a lot yeah

almost 1k extra defense is a lot, but not as much against ulpislash

which also explains why Pramanix can body the normal mode boss but struggles against the H boss

60% more HP is a lot to chew thru

[foggy grove]

didn't watched closely
idk

[azure roost]

god the dog annoying on h stage

[elder flume]

Like the search cycle and damage check changes with lower frames but shouldnt be hitting that low

[void terrace]

Thoughts on Ines s3 with ssaalter skill 2?

I feel like it's a pretty good way to get a lot of benefit out of the slashes without needing a specific fast redeploy unit

Initial dp generation is a bit strict

[hidden axle]

Context?

Is it concerning that h stage?

[void terrace]

In general usage! I mean just thoughts on sacrificing the efficiency of Ines s2 for big nuke in Ines s3

Also is gnosis good now? I realize his cold fragile effect is basically global

Even if most enemies are immune to freeze few are immune to cold

And with ssalter being able to just apply a lot of freeze / cold globally