strategy

[hexed zodiac]

If all you got is Wisadel I’m making sure to pick her on my team

[vocal leaf]

i don’t even have her

but nice, then i can play viewer mode

[azure roost]

i have her

but she is e0

[weak gazelle]

ehhhh
another icebreaker shit :icant:

[azure roost]

i prob do another bearknights clear on coop again

hope i encouter xaira again on coop lmfao

[weak gazelle]

guess i will just wait someone kind enough to carry me
i will provide good blocker in exchange

[azure roost]

https://x.com/Xairathan/status/1965380007213367424?t=AfCjwrXUvzRw-VPN1w79Zw&s=19

Up Front Happy Beast 🐦 (@Xairathan)

Ran into Nafnathulur in swap queue and utterly fumbled with their units. Thankfully, their profile pic is a Magallan, and they are a very competent Magallanist. Dalaobow.

X · Sep 9, 2025, 11:41 AM

[elder flume]

my Skadi still isnt 90
surely the 60 atk diff wont matter in soccer

[vocal leaf]

what newer ops we have for football? i can think of tragodia and cs

[azure roost]

god

i dont want to play football again

[pearl compass]

Jokes on you.

I have Aak.

[azure roost]

use stainless s3

@elder flume god i still remember joining on ecko coop livestream and playing bears only

god, i dont want to play football gamemode again

[pearl compass]

There will be no football.

But.

There will be boats.

Maybe it will be more trickier.

https://youtu.be/t2pwd8OV_dY

[azure roost]

balls

[hidden axle]

Icebreaker is here time to look for fellow noobs to prevent being reported

[craggy heron]

lets team up so I can report you instead

[hidden axle]

[tender orbit]

I agree

[daring escarp]

It has higher attack than sim2

[glass monolith]

Icebreaker.
First April.
We are screwed

[daring escarp]

WITCH FEAST OMFG

[plucky flint]

I smell ||Zima guard|| soon

[daring escarp]

Leizi s1 is smart

[azure roost]

||zima is on lineup of main cast for story chapter||

@plucky flint

updated auto lol

[halcyon adder]

Why is sakiko considered not broken by help? She has been extremely useful so far

[daring escarp]

Cuz she is not broken

She's very good in high aspd environment and by herself

But like she's single target, and they will think of other things

[hidden axle]

Broken tier needs to be wisadel/wang levels of good

[halcyon adder]

I feel like shes one of the best solution for high def mobs and bosses. There has been too many of them recently

[daring escarp]

Kinda yes and kinda no

When those high stats happen ppl just use elemental dmg or true dmg

Or stall

[hidden axle]

Idk apart from mifune all bosses have been mechanics reliant and not statsticks

[halcyon adder]

Not just bosses

The defenders from chap 16

[daring escarp]

Mifune is mechanic reliant too kinda

[daring escarp]

Trag

Or mon3tr

[hidden axle]

Something kills them for me, not sure who

[daring escarp]

There's just other options exist too

[halcyon adder]

I mean thats bypassing the high def but true

[elder flume]

surely its the 3k damage spike

[halcyon adder]

I guess sakiko main issue is not st its being low survivability melee unit

[daring escarp]

Not that tbh

[raw osprey]

Hi! Looking for some H16-4 help. Can bear be pushed?

[daring escarp]

Guards are having decent survivability

[elder flume]

if you have a way to push weight 7 sure

[halcyon adder]

Do u think shes not worthy of a spot in 12 man squad for any stage?

[hidden axle]

Use yu s2 to tp bear to yurodstova in map 2

[daring escarp]

Bear has 7 weight, i doubt it

You can lure the bear onto yurodstvo

[pearl compass]

He can be teleported instead.

[daring escarp]

But it needs some shenanigans

[daring escarp]

She's eorthy cuz she's versatile unit

Im just saying that other options exist in the first place

[hidden axle]

Context was 'broken' not 'good'

[daring escarp]

She's kinda top 10 st dps and scales well against any type of enemy

[daring escarp]

Yep

[hidden axle]

Shes great yeah but lile I said broken tier needs wisadel/wang levels of greatness

And I forgot trag last time

[daring escarp]

Appuru pai

[hidden axle]

Chashu* appuru pai

[halcyon adder]

I think shes top 10 dps period

[elder flume]

tldr rankings are just a mass of subjective opinions compiled into 1 recommendation and has no significance when it comes to clearing stages as stage meta changes each stage

[hidden axle]

Real fuck rankings and tierlists

Just call them good great broken mid trash eww

I forgot niche

[daring escarp]

Decent

[hidden axle]

Oh yeah

[elder flume]

but i was told #help only acknowledges good and shit

[hidden axle]

#help also has 'newbie' if you consider that

[raw osprey]

This is my squad

[daring escarp]

I'd replace weedy

[raw osprey]

With?

[daring escarp]

If you have raidian it can be better

[plucky flint]

cuz not aoe/multihit

[raw osprey]

Nop

[hidden axle]

Weedy could keep those unblockabke mfs at bay with s1 real question is what's dorothy doing

[plucky flint]

but I kinda like her also, mixed dmg with res/def self ignore

[daring escarp]

Its shredding for other ave mujica members fr

[hidden axle]

-# she cant do that without a little help btw

Then again mine is sl7

[elder flume]

surely S2 time

[hidden axle]

now I need someone to do the job while she activates s2

[daring escarp]

Mon3tr s3 is around 2.5k dps

[hidden axle]

Shouldnt you be checking total dmg asw

[daring escarp]

Oh yeah brb

[hidden axle]

Since yk mlynar does hqve a relatively slow attack speed, unfair to him

Actually you should be going for total dmg in sakiko's case asw I think

[daring escarp]

And sakiko can have fever mode

So yea

And graph has kinda crazy both res and defense while sakiko has mixed dmg

[scarlet fulcrum]

1 st vs 2 multi :👀

[daring escarp]

Exu is aslo st

[glass monolith]

Damage per Skill to confuse gamers?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah exu the st one vs 2 multi

[daring escarp]

Its just the passive on st target

[daring escarp]

Where is saki multi

She aims kind of

And has incredible range

[foggy grove]

saki is the best st dps
but there is more metric to it
also i'm biased saki hater

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just set it to 1 target

[daring escarp]

I'm humble mortis lover

[limpid ore]

sakiko without fever 180k
sakiko with fever 300k

s3 is 30seconds, fever is 20 extra seconds

[daring escarp]

Wasnt it 25 seconds

[foggy grove]

20

[daring escarp]

S3

Not fever

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats literally there, its set to 2+ with max notes

[daring escarp]

You dont have 2 enemies in range with this big ahh range?

[limpid ore]

close enough

[scarlet fulcrum]

"Respectively"

[limpid ore]

[daring escarp]

I'll remove conditionals okay

[scarlet fulcrum]

Probably still higher, just want to make it fair

[elder flume]

when my 2 enemies in range turn into 1 enemy after 6 notes

[elder flume]

Stainless cant even mend the enemy count

[daring escarp]

Wait tf

[scarlet fulcrum]

Carnelian infinite dps fr

[daring escarp]

Pram2 better

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its not about that, but nvm

[daring escarp]

I cant remove the trait

Bruh

[scarlet fulcrum]

Looks fair enough

[daring escarp]

Saki has 10% less dmg

Just imagine that

Thats all

[raw osprey]

So

[scarlet fulcrum]

welp the up and down quite grasp it

[raw osprey]

I’m here 😅 but not sure how to beat bear

[daring escarp]

Well

I dont think you will beat it first try

You have to improve the strat

🫡

[daring escarp]

Cuora aint tanking shi and you cant stall bear

[glass monolith]

At some point I realized bear can't eat on-skill Miksaparato and his S2 won't end because bear1 attack from range

[graceful bear]

wait how, gramps gets that tanky?

[elder flume]

pretty much bait bear up to Yuro

[raw osprey]

Well, anyway

[glass monolith]

Bear is glorified back scratcher

[graceful bear]

Get a Miner to the top to reveal tile by feeding bear your ops, then use Lapp to hit bear so it goes to toplane. It will then kill Yuro

[daring escarp]

Humble +130% def at m3

[raw osprey]

Can you explain?

🤔

[glass monolith]

It was S2L7

[daring escarp]

+90%

[glass monolith]

Basically if you somehow babysit miner to reach top lane and use someone to hit bear from that position bear will go and eat boss

[graceful bear]

So if bear is mauling your dudes, it can't maul the miners. Yuro will try to kill the miners so you need to bait her attacks too.
The miner needs to reach one of the deployable tiles of top lane so you can throw down a ranged ground op there like Lappy, who will hit the bear so the bear paths up top to eat her. Bear then runs into Yuro and will kill Yuro

[raw osprey]

🤔 🤔

So I need to babysit miner

Somehow

[daring escarp]

Wait, does it even aims bear instead of yurodstvo since yurdostvo path is shorter?

[daring escarp]

Purestream or trag, both make enough for the miner

[glass monolith]

Or use Yu S2 to teleport boss and bear but still need to tank bear before yuro (t9 auto correct to Yuri, thanks internet) moves

[graceful bear]

Nightingale's decoys help a lot here against Yuro

[raw osprey]

Don’t have her. But OK

[graceful bear]

If Yuri was the boss Myrtle can just solo her

[raw osprey]

So goal is to bit bear on top

[daring escarp]

Yes

You need to kill yurodstvo anyways

By invis revealing her

So its just easier to bait the bear

[glass monolith]

I swear after Ines release every invis gimmick game had was just Ines

[graceful bear]

every ~~invis ~~gimmick game had was just Ines

except aspd down

[glass monolith]

Can't they make another Faust invis which is immune to our bullshit?

[graceful bear]

Faust was just true invuln on a timer

[glass monolith]

Well give us fog of true invis idk

[graceful bear]

Masses' Travels boss:

[glass monolith]

So I forced to play game instead murdering H-3 Order enemies with Totter in first minute of stage

[graceful bear]

I was about to say that Totter has exactly the attack range to cover places Ines can't go to

[glass monolith]

Didn't CN had some event with reverse Masses travel gimmick?

[graceful bear]

Nasti event has ||the boss collapse the tiles out the sky yeah||

By the way, what's the "intended solution" to H16-4 part 1? I've cleared the stage but part 1 feels like "throw elemental and true damage at the absurdly tanky shieldguards/mecha/commanders and hope the infiltrators don't get through"

[raw osprey]

Ok I got how to do it

I need to babysit first miner

To reach top side

And put Lapp or SĄ there

[graceful bear]

And when Yurodivy shows up my ranged ops start spontaneously exploding

[pearl compass]

Ummm, is it already classified as "intended strategy"?

[graceful bear]

If I felt like I can't clear without Tragodia and Mon3tr I don't think I'm doing it right
especially when the normal/adverse stages and even the previous H stages were pretty easy

[pearl compass]

If you feel it wrong, congratulations, you wanna play nicheknights.

Because doing it normal way feels boring to you.

[daring escarp]

https://b23.tv/DiIOkXn i like this clear

[graceful bear]

It's the difference between "I used meta ops, understood the puzzle and cleared it with ease" and "I used meta ops and saw M3 get sniped 3 times and desperately threw FRDs at the boss until chip damage killed it"

[pearl compass]

Ah.
Then you just need to git gud then.

[daring escarp]

You have bunch of dps, some tank or totter to stall bear in phase2, frd or summon bait every 4th attack(dominion) and you can retreat before it lands hit

[pearl compass]

[daring escarp]

And 2 medics

Therapist(maybe) and strong medic

Cuz you need this for both phase 1 and phase 2

[graceful bear]

phase 2 is a very clear puzzle, it's phase 1 where I'm not sure what the "intent" for the stage is

[daring escarp]

.

There's also ulpi s3 at bottom tech

[glass monolith]

I don't know what stage wanted, but I personally didn't want order dude

[graceful bear]

okay I checked the stats...army commanders have tissue paper DEF and shieldguards are effectively immortal if one is on the field. Fortbreakers have relatively low RES

[elder flume]

there is no intended strat until AK devs stream their gameplay

[graceful bear]

so I was basically using wrong DPS on the targets

[daring escarp]

Yes, elemental dmg or high ahh arts

[graceful bear]

Intended strat I feel is whatever Silvergun cooks up and you look at it and go "yeah a friend support meta op can replace this convoluted sequence here"

[rustic eagle]

Wang can’t deploy his shit on invis tiles right

[daring escarp]

https://b23.tv/HmIZ7jZ

[daring escarp]

You cant deploy in fog but mine can be placed in fog

[rustic eagle]

HUH😭

[daring escarp]

Talent

Funny thing

[azure roost]

[rustic eagle]

Are the enemies not considered invulnerable then

[azure roost]

oh h16-4

[rustic eagle]

If he can

[daring escarp]

If they're revealed from invis

[rustic eagle]

Do his mines do that

[graceful bear]

wait
The Army Commander is revealed at the start and has the lowest DEF of all enemies on the map
It's Ambriel time

wait nvm

its 500

[rustic eagle]

Then he can deploy them but they won’t proc/damage the enemies?

[daring escarp]

Until there's enemies revealed from invis

[rustic eagle]

A lil more fair ig lol still crazy he can do ply tho…

I hope I find him immensely fun out of nowhere or smth cuz saving pulls for this guy feels sad

[graceful bear]

I'm mostly pulling for Tiansha Star Ch'en

[lunar crane]

so chen3 , all im seeing is just amiya guard form with steroids that can summon shen long

[rustic eagle]

I actually didn’t look at what she can do I just know of her summon

Well not a summon yal see what I mean

[glass monolith]

Nasti, build 3 wall domain in middle of hallway, we need Chen3 domain expansion

[pearl compass]

[weak gazelle]

as much as i dont like nasti seem like i will try to get her

[lapis hornet]

is nasti opie

[lethal ferry]

Nasti has specific situations she’s great in, other than that, not really

[pearl compass]

No.

[stray mulch]

What's the Point of having Heavy Shooter? Just high damage and low range?

[pearl compass]

Ummm, you don't have reason to have those.

Long time ago it was the only operator who can deal enough damage as a Sniper to kill off very nasty targets you won't want to block.

Or sometimes even make them reach closer to your defenses.

Especially if this enemy has dodges.

[stray mulch]

Pozёmka works good snd have high damage but still, Dead Eye exists

[pearl compass]

Right now you just Wisadel or Lemuen everything, lol.

[maiden hound]

wait until the next heavyshooter iteration with 15000dph

[daring vector]

Is it worth it to play IS2 runs with terrible items like these or should I just reset for the least worse ones (Formal investigation 4)

[maiden hound]

(they shoot once every 30s)

[pearl compass]

Deadeye has lower damage, lower speed and wacky priority.

Well, again, Lemuen feels very great.

Anyway.

[pearl compass]

This one is actually not that bad.

[maiden hound]

i feel like other cursed relics are worse

[stray mulch]

Sounds like someone for 9 chapter... Shielded guys with antimage barriers Hit hard

[pearl compass]

There's worse.

[glass monolith]

Hey deadeye base damage is high, just shit attack speed and trait sometimes play against you hard

[daring vector]

True, Im talking for Sigil of Tragodia or the other worse

[pearl compass]

Don't forget you can silence them via Lappy, and make those antimage shields obsolete.

[stray mulch]

I have only one Lappy

[pearl compass]

They aint tanky by default to begin with.

[stray mulch]

[glass monolith]

More physical damage

[pearl compass]

One Lappy is enough.

Or any silence operator.

Podenco S2 for example.

[stray mulch]

Is Silence counts?

[pearl compass]

Silence as effect, sorry.

[stray mulch]

Joking

[stray mulch]

Proviso + Ejafjalla = nuke

[dusk quest]

I like how the chapter is chill until 16-15 where they throw all the bullshit at you

Too bad its the new farming stage

[glass monolith]

Farm for what

Btw are we doing the "one drop during event, different afterwards"?

[pearl compass]

Should be, yes

Like always.

But I believe the material in bot is already supports offevent rates.

[dusk quest]

Aggregate

The stage isnt that bad other than the very start

Will see about the next one though

[hidden axle]

Smh my auto isnt stablr so I have to stick to 15-20

That said I haven't check if my 15-20 auto is stable either

[dusk quest]

I managed to do it with Saki, Wiš and Hoshi and I dont even have to check if its stable

Do recommend if you got any of them

[glass monolith]

I have like 140 aggregate so I will pretend it is fine and I am not heading toward being poor

[hidden axle]

I have 60-80 surely I am fine too

[glass monolith]

(looks on 30 gel and origin)

[hidden axle]

we had gel recentky

[glass monolith]

And I had like 2-3 masteries done

Whatever stupid things I did was ALL about t4 gels

[hidden axle]

[elder flume]

Got enough stats with Castle3

[glass monolith]

Wait why there is no gel for next like 5 months

[glass monolith]

Wait boss phase retreat is -% redeploy? I was thinking it sets to same time

[pearl compass]

80, yes.

[robust pasture]

How do I defeat this man

[pearl compass]

So you don't have to retreat by yourself for better cooldowns.

[glass monolith]

Use box jitsu

[robust pasture]

The what now???

[glass monolith]

Roadblocks. Use them

[hidden axle]

Iirc theres a 0 op clear by using just roadblocks

[robust pasture]

Where should I place them tho?

I'm stuck in this level for a week now

[pearl compass]

Start with left one, going to right

[glass monolith]

There was funny reprint of that stage during one event and it replaced "optimal box places" with holes

[robust pasture]

Thank you I have been stuck in this level

[pearl compass]

You will stuck more at CM.
I suggest to use Kyo guide if you got stuck.

For this level, I really suggest to use rage guide.

[robust pasture]

I see thanks

[glass monolith]

Well there is no reason to rush CMs

[azure roost]

done

[winter inlet]

Anyone got a strategy for 16-16

Phase 2

[azure roost]

nyamu frd when fever time is up

lmfao

[pearl compass]

Tragodia the boss off.

[glass monolith]

Place body on right civil to bait this bullshit boss move ASAP or die

[winter inlet]

He can solo boss phase 2?

Or do I need another operator

[pearl compass]

I believe so, yes.

[hidden axle]

Boss gets carried by stage mechanics more then its own mechanics

[pearl compass]

Kyo did it that way.

[azure roost]

what stage?

[pearl compass]

16-16

[azure roost]

oh

[hidden axle]

16-16 p2

[winter inlet]

ok I’ll try it

[pearl compass]

The big problem is not the boss

[azure roost]

mobs usually get you killed there

than the boss

[pearl compass]

It's Gundams after the boss

[winter inlet]

What skill should I use

[pearl compass]

[azure roost]

me when i play it again on global and forgot how shitty miner is

and let the fucker wraith get through

[glass monolith]

Someone in dev team: "What if we repeat the funny we did with WD-EX-8"

[pearl compass]

Tbh, any. Really. S2 is usually the option, but in P2 there's no much place for cat deploy.
So any is fine.

[hidden axle]

Real

[robust pasture]

I actually won 😭

[azure roost]

grats

new blood

?

[pearl compass]

It's really WD-EX-8 flashbacks, lol.

[glass monolith]

Gratz, it will get worse

[pearl compass]

Damn I hate this level so much.

[glass monolith]

I hate chapter 16 shieldasses

[nova wing]

Man haruka S3 really saved me at h16-4

[azure roost]

she dumb abjuter

that required previous abjuter sacrifice to be good

[glass monolith]

Look on positive, Quercus is free from S1 slavery, we can enjoy her bard skin dance on S2 now

[nova wing]

I don't have hoshi alter, so crowd control it is

[maiden hound]

they fucking gutted xingzhu and fried her like the food she reviews

[azure roost]

@glass monolith what maps these again?

i prob wait next rotation

to able to play these

the shipyard is sn right

[glass monolith]

Beats me I quit remembering Anni since auto skip

[azure roost]

oh its sn and lonetrail

annoying map

atleast lonetrail anni have funnel

i prob gab eyjaberry on balls sn

[glass monolith]

#strategy message - sn, good time

[hidden axle]

I remember dping that sn map last time it wad in rotation and I missed 2 of those dodge+unblockable guys as they sneaked past my ops

[azure roost]

[glass monolith]

Lone trail was good time too, especially when I find out about flying shits and they all leaked

[azure roost]

lone trail me when morbillion missile robot at s-4

[glass monolith]

Erato + Liskarm to permasleep boss

[nova wing]

Oh those eject pilots from lone trail.

[azure roost]

opener on s-4 that time is funni

now you just put wisadel

[glass monolith]

He talks Dorothy Vision robots, but they had comeback on last stage of Lone Trail

[azure roost]

to destroy half of the pathway where enemy go

[nova wing]

Oh those missile gundams

Not fun

[azure roost]

plus needing to take care the chastised eyesball early

[glass monolith]

You know how I took care of them? Shooting boss in face

[plucky flint]

gonna ping here @elder flume but do u have any idea why roadblock can't be place in these tiles

[pearl compass]

Idk what HG/Yostar smoked here.

Just report as bug.

⚙️Settings > User Center > Contact CS.
Then Contact Us > Bug Feedbacks.
And fill the form provided.

[plucky flint]

not really an issue to me, but I'm just curious why

but ye I'll report it as well later

[pearl compass]

Idk, it shouldn't be such error at first place

Because there's always a way to reach either of bluebox..

OH

OOOOOH

I get it why

[plucky flint]

[pearl compass]

Smoking devices.

Even being destroyed

[plucky flint]

wait

[pearl compass]

Regarded as blockages...

WTF

[plucky flint]

yes fucking way

[pearl compass]

@hidden axle I have a theory

About H16-3 blocks

[plucky flint]

ok where's the dude earlier that has this problem

[hasty minnow]

this is the type of shit that happens when they decide to place 6 red blocks in random locations

[plucky flint]

but now the question is, why the cn guide the guy copying can place roadblocks there

[pearl compass]

Then it's Yostar L making a bug.

[glass monolith]

That one rock miners can attack for ranged tiles for some reason blocks roadblocks with this message

[pearl compass]

[glass monolith]

Like if I move that roadblock in middle down game tell me Nah ah

[glass monolith]

Path finding is hard

[hidden axle]

[glass monolith]

And someone was drunk AF

[plucky flint]

I mean, this is the most reasonable answer ngl

but how tf the cn guide can deploy

[glass monolith]

Some bugs are global exclusive

[pearl compass]

Like I said: Yostar fault to create a bug there's no present by HG at first place.

Poopoo coding.

[glass monolith]

From my understanding those rocks miner attack block deploy on global.
We had event with chapter 9 fireball mages where fireball was drunk as fuck and hit pillar instead routing around it

[pearl compass]

H9-5

I know where it is

Thank the Mlynar event and "fixes the enemy position collision".

And making KyostinV guide fucking obsolete that way, because this shit isn't present on his vid.

I still remember his reaction on his Discord, when he didn't believe me what I said, then he start replaying this and then...

"I ain't redo H9-5", he said.

"Just use blockers to stop fireballs"

Ah, old times...

[elder flume]

?

[azure roost]

huh

[elder flume]

oh its that map

[pearl compass]

Yep

[azure roost]

pathing?

or some shit

[winter inlet]

This is so annoying

[glass monolith]

General summary is shit didn't play out as it does on CN

[plucky flint]

wait, smoke device doesn't really block the path

[hasty minnow]

extra social credit for finding pathfinding bugs

[azure roost]

the usual anni 3 difficulty curve

redo that run

its last fucking drone again

that leak from #strategy

[glass monolith]

My modern units will flip Anni 3 on its back. But I still retain 2022 PTSD about it. Drones everywherw

[elder flume]

you should block it after the civ turns dormant

actually when did chap 16 appear in CN

there should be a few patch updates

[plucky flint]

I tried this one too, can't place as well or do I need to wait them literally stopped moving

[elder flume]

and most of it fucks around gameplay

[elder flume]

this run is a month after hm

[plucky flint]

the SS from cn vid also have active civs

[azure roost]

just blame yostar

[elder flume]

i dont really wana rush this chap to test things

16-3 is alr taking my focus

[plucky flint]

classic en diff

[azure roost]

@elder flume @plucky flint cn

[elder flume]

ye its patch update most likely

[azure roost]

ok beaten it on cn

i havent touched chp16 h stage on cn lol

[plucky flint]

truly en diff

[azure roost]

god leizi2 vfx is so good

[wary onyx]

I hate this so much 😭

@daring escarp finally i beat this dumbass bear

[daring escarp]

Yaya

WAIT WTF

I HAVE INSANE MEMORY OF A DREAM

I FORGOT HOW IT'S NAMED WTF

Deja reve

I was 12 when i dreamt of when i was old, and was told exact moment while watching chess video

[hollow wadi]

yesterday i beat H16-4
now i cleared everything in main theme except H15-4

[glass monolith]

I didn't H15-4 too

[hollow wadi]

previously i tried yu+lapp but timeout

[glass monolith]

Lemuen, shoot that PC trying to update to Windows 11

[hidden axle]

I have been slacking on incomplete events and early ch cm modes, let alone h stages thus the existence of my mines

[hollow wadi]

yeah i used lemuen to kill prts but often dies...

[hidden axle]

I threw shamare doll at prts for 15-20, surely that can work in h stage asw

[plucky flint]

do you have sakiko

[hollow wadi]

yeah

[hidden axle]

Saki is bad for prts

[plucky flint]

unfortunately she is good also

[hidden axle]

If she's ever off-skill during vulnerability phase

[plucky flint]

she has def/res ignore so she deals more dmg than your usual ops

you use a range extension during prts down

[hidden axle]

No I mean that window is hitcount dependent

Her notes would close that window prettu fast

[plucky flint]

yep, although saki has a lot of notes, her dmg is also high

kinda balance out

[hollow wadi]

the most difficult thing in H15-4 is that the middle horizontal line is undeployable
as for medics... (and haruka is even not strictly a medic)
(maybe ill borrow shu and use my own dps and try again)

[plucky flint]

I 2 cycled prts with saki

[hidden axle]

Someone said aciddrop 2 cycles prts,, gott confirm this tech

[plucky flint]

i said 3, but that's on 15-20

[hidden axle]

Aciddrop?

[plucky flint]

haven't tried H stages, I don't know if aciddrip can survive those chaos

ye

although mine is max mod as well so normally you wouldn't waste ur mats for her

[hollow turtle]

lumen or mon3tr for ch.16 (specifically h16-3)

Im using eyjalter in addition

this is mainly to heal the miners

[mental venture]

how am i supposed to kill hyperbuffed rot eaters in 11-17

[weak gazelle]

which map again is that? or who is rot eater?

[pearl compass]

Kaltsit Major Injure stages.

Rot Eaters are buffy tree bois that comes as last wave.

[weak gazelle]

oh tree dudes
its either kill it early or brute force later

[glass monolith]

H15-4 abuses me being cat person and failing to handle dog care

[pearl compass]

They just spawn from Redboxes.

As last dudes.

[weak gazelle]

oh spawn

[pearl compass]

And squad is fixed, so don't suggest to Wis them.

[weak gazelle]

ahh
fuck still didnt remember it

[pearl compass]

Haze and Gitano should suffice, while Shining+defenders should stay strong and tank.

Or whatever you had.

[weak gazelle]

who is the defender?
beagle?

[pearl compass]

Cardigan and Cuora

[weak gazelle]

if so then timing shining skill better

it should suffice unless shinning equip s2 as default

[pearl compass]

https://youtu.be/HvKPOCPG0NE

Legendary Steward jebate.

[azure roost]

oh that

[elder flume]

thoughts on

When Miner Guerrilla share the same tile as an active operator prioritize said operator as the next target

actually ig that wouldnt proc ranged tile hm

[simple tapir]

What level should ur ops be for conflict zone skirmish in RA? Mine are around e1 lvl 50 and they get shredded

[weak gazelle]

ehh
then how i beat it then?(i forgot, really)

[pearl compass]

Just make them stuck and burst them before Defender skill ends.

It will be fine if 1 remains.

But 2 or more - they could breach afterwards.

https://youtu.be/kY-elWgJU5c?t=2m21s

[mental venture]

kinda just doing this rn

[pearl compass]

Switch GreyThroat to Perfumer.

So you have two medics at once.

[hollow turtle]

make your bets, will I win or not

[craggy heron]

win

[pearl compass]

Your Hoshi is about to return, so W.

[hollow turtle]

I can keep using the blocks to move it around and bind it with ray, if she doesnt die. But other than that

[hollow turtle]

yes

[pearl compass]

She alone is enough to solo his ass.

[hollow turtle]

👏

[elder flume]

wtf theres actually a rule to 16-3 atk range

[weak gazelle]

hmm? what rule?

[elder flume]

target last healed

not exhaustive yet but im still testing things

[pearl compass]

Ummm.

Who to heal?

[weak gazelle]

i see
didnt play H maps yet so cant comment
have no intention to play it yet anyway

[thick sphinx]

Good for you, u have some more time to enjoy your sanity

[weak gazelle]

[elder flume]

your ops

[weak gazelle]

i play ch-16 just to read the story

[elder flume]

miners coming into contact with your ops changes something

healer healing changes something

[mental venture]

yey

[craggy heron]

so you are saying miner target become refreshed when they are healed ?

[elder flume]

when your ops are healed

[weak gazelle]

hmm

that look cursed

[elder flume]

gona try different approach to this map

[weak gazelle]

heal here mean green numbers?

[mental venture]

[weak gazelle]

that should'nt be problem no?

supporter is another good source of heal if that make you worry

[pearl compass]

F

[weak gazelle]

yeah then its no problem
unless those 4 is your carry/strongest ops you have

[mental venture]

i have these fucks as well + sash

[thick sphinx]

How long does haruka s3 last?

As in is it possible to use her for the bear in H4?

[weak gazelle]

yeah then it should be fine
borrow haruka if need heal

[thick sphinx]

I have her, I'm borrowing either trag or wis

[weak gazelle]

mb, that for the other guy

[pearl compass]

Yes, you can cancel his attacks by it.

[thick sphinx]

Ahh alr

[pearl compass]

40sec, regardless of Mastery.

[thick sphinx]

Oh wait, i need her s2 to keep my team alive in phase 1

[thick sphinx]

Fuck it, sry i asked

[thick sphinx]

Ooo

[hollow turtle]

Is this good for H16-4?

wait hold up lemme change lumen to eyjalter2 rq

[thick sphinx]

More than enough

[hollow turtle]

keke

[thick sphinx]

[hollow turtle]

Ima watch youtube for the bear pathing just in case

[weak gazelle]

prefer just do it first hand

[hollow turtle]

hm true

[craggy heron]

they will lose 1st try, watch

[pearl compass]

Should suffice.

[weak gazelle]

lose on first try is very common

[thick sphinx]

[hollow turtle]

[weak gazelle]

me lose 99% of my first try

[thick sphinx]

I keep failing that stage 😭

[azure roost]

[thick sphinx]

[weak gazelle]

idk about others, but my intent in first attempt is always to learn the map

[glass monolith]

0 sanity loss on defeat now, throw your waifu at it until it works

[hollow turtle]

my intent for first try is to know the pathing of specific enemies and/or where I can place things and where the enemy drops on first deployment.

literally common sense atp, so yeah first try is very common to fail

[daring escarp]

I used borrowed exu2 s2 and gave warf buff

[daring escarp]

Oh and shamare doll

Yes

[plucky flint]

3 cycle kinda tight

[daring escarp]

Also 15-20 has funny degen hyperbuffing if possible

I wanna try that

[azure roost]

ngl i kinda forgot about that boss

i just put vivi s3 on front of the boss at bottom tile lol

[elder flume]

Think i need to full image this

[weak gazelle]

about the miner in H3?

[elder flume]

deploy order is Saria > Mon3tr > SA > Mountain

1. target op with the most surrounding mist tile > fail
2. target last healed > fail / most likely the addition of deploying another operator was the cause of targeting last healed even though incorrect
3. target highest hp% > fail
4. target operators near miner > fail

[weak gazelle]

uhhh
this look cursed af :icant:
didnt know as didnt play the map but yeah the coding(?) or the behaviour change
not sure what cause it

[elder flume]

its kina normal if you didnt let miner run

5. addition of new operator deploy including miner adds a link that reverses deploy order > adding Exu makes enemy prio Exu > adding Mon3tr makes enemy prio Saria > not ID search

[weak gazelle]

uhh would love to continue this but sadly my brain start lag-ing hard (reach its limit for today)

[glass monolith]

God why H15-4 looks so cancer

[daring escarp]

Stall the golem

Solves it

[glass monolith]

I died to drone

[daring escarp]

Phase 2 place units where prts spawns golems

[daring escarp]

Wait where is drones in h15-4

[glass monolith]

middle

[daring escarp]

Oh i remember now

[glass monolith]

On "funny puller lane"

[daring escarp]

Idk i had exu doing shiiii

Lemu also works

[glass monolith]

Brb still trying

[daring escarp]

Also degen on middle goes crazy

[glass monolith]

Well sadly i am missing this piece of random BS carry me

[elder flume]

Im satisfied enough it works on auto

[azure knot]

Does the bear target people based in it's vicinity or who damages it?

[lethal ferry]

Whoever dealt the most damage

[daring escarp]

Lamo, gj

[azure knot]

Oh, I was trying to figure out a way to bait it to generate extra dp

[daring escarp]

Phase 1 - first who damaged or close to damager or blocked unit
Phase - most damaged > most aggro unit

[azure knot]

I see, I'll bait him with robin then, thank you

[daring escarp]

Sand reckoner

[elder flume]

wat

why Robin

[rustic eagle]

Is there something abt auto that I don’t know

The fact that you made it work doesn’t imply that it works in auto?

[elder flume]

uh basically auto is almost always atleast 1 frame behind on inputs if you have potato device since its tied to lag
then theres animation bugs typically prominent on shifters which i didnt use here so its fine
then theres rng thats not saved on auto like Wis which i also didnt use

stat increase through trust or levels etc can break it also since it updates

making enemy waves spawn faster

desyncs skill timings

[rustic eagle]

I see

Wow that’s a lot of things

[elder flume]

game also wont do what it thinks it cant do even tho you did it on manual

[rustic eagle]

What kind of things would that be?

[elder flume]

like auto wont place the Myrtles

[rustic eagle]

Oh wow lol

[elder flume]

game engine patches if it changes the map or operator then it also changes the auto outcomes

just too many to track

[rustic eagle]

I see

Ty very much for all the info

[river atlas]

What am i looking at wtf

How did your device not explode with that many entities on screen

[elder flume]

uh luck ig

this is the expected frame rate for doing these things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VInyHm_bCMY&t=86s

[halcyon adder]

Getting cooked on h16 4 second phase. Cant stop the bear. Need help

[river atlas]

Make it yurod’s problem

[elder flume]

bait bear up

[river atlas]

ground ally with 2 or more tiles of range facing downwards in front of yurod so bear has to go thru her to reach them

[glass monolith]

I am competent gamer who never activate Lemuen S3 before i double check that Mik S3 is ready [Sarcasm 0]

I hate this fucking stage

[crisp bolt]

I love good old diksa stall

[glass monolith]

I reached phase "BOSS DEAD" once and then bottom leaked while mid leaking while top uh.... Who the fuck even goes top? I swear i can just leave solo ceobe there and leave

WHY THERE IS DRONE FLYING OVER UNDEPLOYABLE TILES

[winter inlet]

Huh

[glass monolith]

[steep barn]

How do I kill Patriot in this Holographic thing? It says block him to lower the 90% damage reduction, but it never said anything about how long it takes for that number to go down
I tried using Spectre to block him, that did nothing

[signal vector]

You can block him but it takes someone like ulpi to block him permanently ngl

Is this risk 15 or risk 0?

[steep barn]

I'm looking at Risk 15, but tbh aside from his 5 point challenge boosting his HP it doesn't solve the issue of blocking him

I mean I suppose I can bait him around but that seems like a Genshin Impact class waste of time

Wait Ulpi survives his attacks?

[glass monolith]

Probaby insane DR stacking with Gladiia and Haruka

[steep barn]

Nian starts with 3 free blocks. The first volley alone brought her HP down to 1/6th

[glass monolith]

Gladiia mod3 -30% damage taken, Haruka -30% damage taken (-51% combined), Stainless S3 x2 -36% physical damage taken (-68% physical damage taken combined), + Ulp talent heal per hit taken. Idk chat is dead and i didn't do HCM to know what they use but Ulp blocking was real

[elder flume]

Do note the 90% applies to all non blocker

[steep barn]

Am I supposed to block this guy? Like, is the challenge here trying to find a way to block him?

[glass monolith]

Well HCM challenge is if you hate yourself enough to try to solve this CC high risk tier lego

[elder flume]

Most runs either cycle blockers or Yu or Ulpi

[steep barn]

Oh is that what this is? I thought that's hella similar to CC

[glass monolith]

Yu is S2 teleport over wall each time patriot almost boxes

It is very like old CC used to be, risks hurt as hell and "+1-3 risk, you need 18, have fun"

[steep barn]

Yeah I'll admit I don't have big enough brain for this

[elder flume]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/2038226596314943506

じら (@zilla_53)

16-12　砂盤推論2人

リュドミラ、君は今日からクマスレイヤーと名乗りなさい

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vxTwitter / fixvx · Mar 29, 2026, 12:07 PM

[bright juniper]

breaking news: cat and hyena mauls bear

[exotic grove]

how does the H16-4 yu teleport strat work? bro keeps getting mogged before yurod walks into range
and I can't seem to figure out how to un invis it since the miners keep dying

[indigo helm]

sir thats a hyena

[bright juniper]

no wonder her family got wiped

[glass monolith]

Stall bear before Yurod walks toward library

[exotic grove]

what did u use to stall? I was trying with mr nothing exia but for some reason it still killed them
wondering if yurod sent an aspd down zone to them
I can't put down summons because miners die before polluted zone is revealed

[glass monolith]

Miksaparo S2/S3 can tank bear if it is ready before bear murder him

[exotic grove]

enraged bear?

[glass monolith]

#strategy message my exact reaction to it working

btw if you pull bear up with Ines that shit will go counterclockwise to waypoint on left before going clockwise

[exotic grove]

oh with haruka interesting
might borrow him or nian or something
yeah I saw that behavior when I used ines lol

can yu teleport invis tho

[glass monolith]

Pretty sure no because you need to target it, but if you have Ines or some other way to reveal you should be able to pull them without civil

[exotic grove]

civil?

oh the miners

[glass monolith]

I gave up on trying to set up bear accident on boss because i was not not-dumb enough to have miners survive in finale because my brain didn't respond when it come to try better with medic placement

[hollow turtle]

ouch, which ones better

ch16-12

[plucky flint]

right and left

[hollow turtle]

might build my crownslayer

[exotic grove]

1. imagine not having lyudmila built cringe smh
2. you don't need to lol https://youtu.be/jLra6FtGC0o

[hollow turtle]

ah

ZAHAHHAHA

logos s3 be like

[exotic grove]

oh lol so it does work

someone was asking about that a while back

[daring escarp]

S3 is better built for that

[hollow turtle]

the cool thing about haruka's s3 is it lasts so fucking long 🔥

its honestly a powerful skill, idk where it comes off as "not a lot of usage". I mean sure theres better options and her s2 is good for "consistency" healing

I think of her s3 as a helidrop tool

[daring escarp]

I learn about enemies my first 2 attempts and im trying to combine my ops into power-scale and enemy stats to make a proper way to solution

[daring escarp]

I need one more atk buff

[daring escarp]

Or yk, send my lowend clear or hoshi1 abuse

[exotic grove]

give me link idk where it is I just pulled up mine bc I have the link on hand

[daring escarp]

https://youtu.be/n4b3K9EfhMw?si=sDxF3OgSIkDqRLg4

I mean yours is the way too

Strategy remains the same

[daring escarp]

Skalter goes brrr

[wicked minnow]

why does 16-13 ss2 mode have the butterflies do exactly enough damage to be able to kill mantra

[hollow turtle]

first attempt, well i'll be damnd..

[river atlas]

That stage is obnoxious

[fossil sphinx]

invisible drones is possible the most annoying design ever concieved

[river atlas]

Invisible bear

[hollow turtle]

i can sort of see why sash2 and pramalter duos this stage

[hollow turtle]

PFF WHAT

how tf am I suppose to tragodia him

[river atlas]

Oh did I accidentally spoil it

Oops

[hollow turtle]

[river atlas]

Pretend u didnt see that

[hollow turtle]

😭

[river atlas]

thats supposed to be a surprise

Anyway yeah

U suffer thru p1 and then get to p2 and instantly sent to the shadow realm 30s later if u go in blind

[hollow turtle]

Wat da freak man

[fossil sphinx]

its a lie you get sent to the shadow realm even if you know its coming

[hollow turtle]

😭

[river atlas]

While true, at least if u know about it u can get some practice in

Also not being able to preview the map sucks

[plucky flint]

I like innocent players who got jumpscare by bear in phase 2

but surely, if you preview the enemy, you can see 2 enemies listed as boss so you'll think about it so hard

[hollow turtle]

Im dead, whoever designed this is a menace

[exotic grove]

real

[wicked minnow]

h16-4 cant be that bad surely :clueless:

[exotic grove]

can't wait for H3-11

[stoic gorge]

[stoic gorge]

Not that bad

[lunar crane]

i cant even clear H16-1

[signal vector]

Map2 is kinda piss easy aint gon lie, map2 is a coughing baby compare to the shit you gotta deal with in map1

Like I tried afking in H16-4 and it just doesnt work, for once I actually have to use logos s3 and lemuen s3 instead of s1 and s2 respectively 🥀

[hollow turtle]

😭

[lone crane]

It's rough, tried 5 times still no luck

[azure roost]

when boss appeared on map at h16-1

its turned to nightingale cage simulator

[pearl compass]

Boss?

There's no boss here.

[lone crane]

How did you clear h16-1, any advice?

[hidden axle]

Its h16-2

[lone crane]

The bear, right?

[pearl compass]

The 1950 ATK bear

[hidden axle]

Bear is your best friend, lure him right and he will do the killing for you

[azure roost]

oh i meant h16-4

[pearl compass]

Ah, when butterflies appears.

Then after some time, Yurostvo appears.

[naive holly]

12-19 how

[hidden axle]

Normal or adverse

Oh yeah

[naive holly]

Normal

[hidden axle]

Break the green block near top left red box asap to get a deployable tile to deal with elites spawning from that box

[naive holly]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-taking-notes-oomfie-spy-x-family-memo-gif-8287618218761733944

Will try

[pearl compass]

12-19?

It's the legendary "why I cannot block civs" stage

Spoiler:

[tender orbit]

Did the game introduce the instigator tho

Like a tutorial

[pearl compass]

It is, in 12-15.

[tender orbit]

I think there's a stage

Oh is it that one

I remembered diff

[naive holly]

Oh Ik I need to kill the magician looking idiots

It's just that

I kinda fucking leak

Lmaob

I haven't tried what koo told me

I'll try it in the evening

[naive holly]

Kyostinv told me

Cuz I just think of tutorial as free op

And search on yt when I can't beat a level

[naive holly]

Ig I just placed my charas in a way in 12-15 that she was able to beat up these enemies fast enough

[pearl compass]

They're spawning the same side as Decoy Casters.

So no wonder how they die so quickly before they do nasty thing.

[naive holly]

I see

[halcyon adder]

I need some help on h16 4

In the second phase i cant really use the bear to kill the boss

Also its really hard to keep the miners alive to reveal the boss

[pearl compass]

You have Ines by chance?

[weak gazelle]

ines cant do it?

[halcyon adder]

Ya but where to put her?

[weak gazelle]

or maybe use scene again

[halcyon adder]

Wait let me show my team

[pearl compass]

Ah, then you can skip civ part, and deploy her as soon as Phase 2 starts, looking up at the turn left.

[weak gazelle]

didnt play H maps yet so cant give a solid advice😅

[pearl compass]

I do, wait a sec

[halcyon adder]

Thnx

[pearl compass]

Here.

Deploy her once and retreat, putting Yu here

Haruka S3 to stop bear attacks.

Once she reaches that tile above Ines position, she will immediately become visible.

Press Yu S2.

And watch her being mauled.

Because this zone also provides Movement Slow.

So she won't escape fast.

[halcyon adder]

Interesting. Thanks

[regal briar]

man i dont get IS6... i really hate the mobs mechanic that can turn into stuff and just flying away with invisibility

[pearl compass]

Hit count

You need to damage them N times to kill.

Damage doesn't matter.

🥹

Use Ethan S1 for those things.

[regal briar]

u mean S2?

[pearl compass]

Since it applies DoT damage and can hit them by AoE.

No

[regal briar]

S1 just give me him % damage

[pearl compass]

S1 explicitly.

[pearl compass]

Read carefully plz.

[regal briar]

i dont get it... i though its not about damage...

[regal briar]

S2 give him more chance to bind

[pearl compass]

Arts damage, Lv7 Skill does 4 seconds

Damage is ass

But

I told you

Damage doesn't matter

Needs a hit

[regal briar]

WAIT ITS A DOT????

[pearl compass]

Hits from DoT also counts

[regal briar]

LOL

[pearl compass]

Thus I suggest you

Use S1.

Not S2.

It's whole point of this skill.

[regal briar]

thanks for suggestion

i try S1 ethan next run

[pearl compass]

<@&586570970345635868>

[elder flume]

kina looks wrong hm
anything outside orange gets -1 force

[pearl compass]

[halcyon adder]

It worked yeee

[pearl compass]

Congrats.

[halcyon adder]

I was trying same thing but without ines and it was not working

[weak gazelle]

what is this?

[halcyon adder]

Ines helpes a lot

[elder flume]

trying to project Ray effective shift range

[weak gazelle]

and where did you get -1 force thing?

[elder flume]

thats her testing

shifters normally get -2 when wrong direction

but she gets -1 only

[weak gazelle]

hmm
how that possible

[elder flume]

HG coding

[weak gazelle]

i see
the HG way

[elder flume]

havent done extensive research on the inner tiles but ig yellow is where -1 procs

[weak gazelle]

[ashen pewter]

Man, Yu and Shu are so OP. Wtf. (i always forget Yu 2nd Skill is so good)

[pearl compass]

Teleport is indeed a broken feature that simplifies the hard segments of stages completely.

You're forced to defend 3 lanes with Mechanist VEC-12?
Nope, teleport him to middle lane and you will have to defend 2 of them.

[ashen pewter]

Indeed man. Been hours for me trying it since i dont have Haruka, Tragodia and Hoshi Alt to stall everything (guides always have them wtf).

[ashen pewter]

What i did. Lol

[pearl compass]

No more enemy comes from top, so you're free to leave this side with no ops.

[ashen pewter]

Once Yu teleports it, i use Shu for them not to go out of range. Then the damage dealers to clean up.

I even bring Ulpianus to tank. But it wasnt even needed since Yu and Shu can tank it

I'm just excited to get new Sui Sib to take advantage on Shu Talent.

I always use Yu and Lapp-alter so i forgot about his S2.

[naive holly]

@hidden axle needed to block a few civ where jalter is thanks for the advice I was earlier blocking enemies there by canta

Two healers with saki because yes

Now gotta try 12-20

[elder flume]

oh not Adverse

[naive holly]

Yea

I'll do adverse in order of 7-8-9-10-11-12

I have my challenge modes remaining too

Rn just doing story

12-20 is weird

I'll retry tonight

[rustic eagle]

Im kind of struggling with 10-16, the just raw amount of stats seems like something I can’t possibly handle, I feel like im supposed to use the artillery better maybe, but the stage and timings make it difficult to take advantage of compared to the last stages, if anyone has ideas or placements that I might be missing in mind pls lmk

Or agents I should consider for it, I was thinking maybe hoshialter was smth I could try?

[pearl compass]

Funny thing, Mudrock E2-90 solos this stage alone.

Just delay early rushing enemies, farm DP, drop the Mudmud and you done.

[rustic eagle]

Ohhhh thank you I will look for one

🙏

Do u think she has to be level90

Would any slightly lower work

[hidden axle]

Penance should work too

I have both anyways can lend either

Not lvl 90 tho

[pearl compass]

I'm afraid some enemies may damage her enough to make her die by cannon

So 90 is very much appreciated.

Or you just immediately replace her.

[rustic eagle]

I see, btw I’m not familiar with the op, how would I make her handle both lanes?

Or would I need to handle the left side I probably can

[naive holly]

What's your team ?

[pearl compass]

Both? Oh, 10-16.

Well.

Mudrock defends bottom side

Everyone defends left.

[rustic eagle]

Rarity sorted

[daring escarp]

Yk you can have tequila in squad and borrow logos s1 for example

Or mudrock

[hidden axle]

Just borrow penance the generall better juggernaut if you are going to borrow

[rustic eagle]

Let’s try logos

I sent a friend request for a Mudrock but fox said it should be lvl90

Is no module logos strong enough

[daring escarp]

Idk, but generally his module is pretty strong

And s1 masteries make those DR slugs dissappear

[rustic eagle]

I struggle w the big guys

Especially the sword one

[plucky flint]

I think a penance would do better at that, idk

I have lv90 mudmud if you're still interested

[hidden axle]

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[hidden axle]

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Just try for both

[plucky flint]

ye, overall penance is a stronger solo juggernaut