strategy

[mighty pagoda]

there are even not that many defenders for it to be hard

[broken idol]

It usually doesn’t appear in the first time because there’s more operators with the same role (defenders)

[analog fern]

Not showing up, Idk what to tell you

Fuck it, there's a cuora

[mighty pagoda]

[analog fern]

E2 Cuora dead in three hits

[mighty pagoda]

whole 3 hits

you can work with that

[analog fern]

NOT WHEN I CAN'T DEPLOY ANYONE ELSE

[mighty pagoda]

i mean

if you cant you cant

i guess there is nothing we can do

literally unbeatable stage

[analog fern]

Not unless you cheese it, which is my point

[mighty pagoda]

you supposed to do that

this is the mechanic of the boss

[analog fern]

The point of the game is to not play it properly?

[mighty pagoda]

ofc, its the point of any game

[analog fern]

Bro's speaking straight fictions now

[mighty pagoda]

how do you know its not properly anyway

you just need to stall him for 30 seconds to get some dp

surely its not something extremely hard

[broken idol]

This is one of the only stages that the game make you think outside the box instead of brute dps force the stage ig

[hasty minnow]

You can watch a dude stall the bear for like 2 minutes if you scroll up to the guide.

[mighty pagoda]

you dont even have to do that with all the op ops

wis can stall him for 30 seconds ez solo

[south bone]

try using ulpianus against the bear, he's fairly tanky

[mighty pagoda]

you need to charge the skill

[limpid ore]

[broken idol]

Wis s1 should keep the defender alive iirc

[hasty minnow]

and holy shit you have tragodia

[mighty pagoda]

if they cant even deploy anyone how they will do that

[analog fern]

I'm gonna stop you right there

Dies before I can do anything.

[mighty pagoda]

everyone just dies, unbeatable

[analog fern]

So the bear targets whoever attacked it until the attacker dies, right?

[mighty pagoda]

or until interrupted

[analog fern]

Define interrupted

[broken idol]

Your first move shouldn’t be hitting on the bear just as you enter the stage

[mighty pagoda]

stun interrupts i think

idk about freeze

[hasty minnow]

look at an example stall

[hexed zodiac]

Gotta love a good stall

[tender orbit]

How is Cement as a tank for bear

[mighty pagoda]

should be doable

[analog fern]

Guess I gotta level some operators I've literally never used before in my life

[hexed zodiac]

Idk I just used trag then the bear couldn’t attack anyone

[mighty pagoda]

just borrow hoshi lmao

[analog fern]

https://tenor.com/view/dobby-gif-22195730

[crisp bolt]

Actually pretty ass

[tender orbit]

32% dmg reduc with mod surely that's smth

[broken idol]

Trag

[crisp bolt]

Offskill she dies against enraged bear

20 sp windup for s2

[analog fern]

How did you get tragodia to survive long enough to do anything

[hexed zodiac]

Uhhh you place him while bear is attacking someone else then S3 and win idk

[crisp bolt]

Yes I have tried tanking bear with cement

[tender orbit]

[analog fern]

I think I've established that everyone I have can't last, and I can't seem to get a viable hoshi support

[broken idol]

(He placed trag, hit the bear, die)

[hexed zodiac]

Ok but like don’t just solo place trag

[crisp bolt]

I've done adverse with 5 rats

[hexed zodiac]

Also this was a burst comp of you want a most stall comp bc you don’t have the damage then S2 with his autos in range and play around the nervous procs with a rotating door of fodder to feed the bear as the procs are on cool down

[south bone]

what you need the most is dp

[mighty pagoda]

lin is not bad at tanking him

[analog fern]

She's

Almost dead

[crisp bolt]

Lin, flametail, gravel, cement, honeyberry

[foggy grove]

did you put atk risk?

[mighty pagoda]

ye he did like 10 hits to her

[crisp bolt]

5 rats I used

[analog fern]

TEN?

[crisp bolt]

Sim I didn't bother optimizing so I used all rats

[hexed zodiac]

Do you have a krooster you can link?

[broken idol]

Permastun the boss might be the most efficient method to clear this stage then

[analog fern]

https://www.krooster.com/u/commanderketchup

[hexed zodiac]

If he has to borrow a maxed flag just to get dp out in time ima

[analog fern]

Idek who besides Click has stun on my roster

[sly drift]

I wonder if I can go like.. 4 ops

[scarlet fulcrum]

2

[foggy grove]

cuora jaye duo

[hexed zodiac]

You got trag sakiko haruka and surtr that’s a good start

[mighty pagoda]

cant oneshot everyone - not good enough

[sly drift]

Wait.. you can?

[analog fern]

Couldn't tell you how to get those operators all deployed at once

[jovial nest]

Damn, i really can't use my slow ass burn team since it's lacking a true dedicated ST healer and very high DEF op

[crisp bolt]

You don't want to know what I did

[jovial nest]

lemme try again

[sly drift]

Let's just remove cuora then. Just to spice thing up

[crisp bolt]

Modx flametail

[analog fern]

What would silence do against the bear besides make his attacks slightly weaker?

[crisp bolt]

It stops his rock throw in phase 2

[mighty pagoda]

cant find hoe support, no one is using him

[hexed zodiac]

Want mine?

[analog fern]

I haven't even crossed the first bridge man ;-;

[mighty pagoda]

i guess i do

[hexed zodiac]

Friend code

[mighty pagoda]

nnnn1111#9410

[rapid junco]

Omg kirn

[analog fern]

ETHAN HAS STUN

RIGHT?

[jovial nest]

Ok i managed to stall the bear. Let's see if I can make an actual defense line once all my healers are setup
Context: This is harder than a simpler setup btw since these aren't exactly dedicated healers.

[hexed zodiac]

I’m like 3k lmd away from mod 3 tho

[scarlet fulcrum]

Hi i.a

[mighty pagoda]

ty

[rapid junco]

[mighty pagoda]

oh no

[analog fern]

Oh really?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just set buddy

[mighty pagoda]

ye i did

good that they added that

[scarlet fulcrum]

Long holiday?

[rapid junco]

Black company don't have holiday

[mighty pagoda]

oh your s2 is not mastered

[scarlet fulcrum]

Can relate 🏊‍♀️

[mighty pagoda]

should be fine anyway

[hexed zodiac]

WAIT

I just droned

Got mod 3

Lmfao

[mighty pagoda]

[rapid junco]

Keep strong we should

[jovial nest]

Yes, my burn squad can clear the Adverse.
Now time to see if I can add 2 more modifiers....

fuck....

[mighty pagoda]

can yu even tank it

[jovial nest]

if everything is set up yes

but if it's only 1 healer no

[analog fern]

How the hell

[jovial nest]

with Yu S3 active, he can tank a lot too

[hexed zodiac]

Apparently yeah helps if you have pot 3 like mine since it’s greater sanctuary

[mighty pagoda]

i have max pot

[jovial nest]

fuck i just remembered i can't Lapptop stall if i ban Casters.

lets see if i can do something else.

[mighty pagoda]

i will try him after hoe

[hexed zodiac]

Classic mylnar behind hoe strat?

For the bonus

[mighty pagoda]

nah, just wanted to test his stun

also i dont have them both

[analog fern]

I can't fucking do this

[hexed zodiac]

Ah well anything behind him with range

Sakiko works too

[jovial nest]

ok the setup's done. But my casters can't help here

[mighty pagoda]

why even use shu here

[analog fern]

How?

[mighty pagoda]

just for heal?

[analog fern]

Are you just sending ops to the slaughter just to stall?

[hexed zodiac]

Oh for his stun S2? I don’t have that masteries he’s set up for IS5 🥀

[jovial nest]

yes because my burn team doesn't use dedicated ST healers

do not forget, i did not alter my burn team

i'm trying to beat this without changing shit

[analog fern]

That's so dumb... that can't be what the devs intended

[mighty pagoda]

ye, hoe is not good enough, probably need attack speed buff

[jovial nest]

i could easily go Shining and Cuora

slaughter?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats just shu talent brainded

[crisp bolt]

Doesn't bear attack fairly quickly?

Hoe would need a lot of aspd

[hexed zodiac]

Monster S2 activation?

[analog fern]

EXTREMELY QUICKLY

[jovial nest]

people really underestimate Yu S3's tankiness

[mighty pagoda]

maybe will work even without

[scarlet fulcrum]

After enrage done bear just tickle those ops

[mighty pagoda]

i know s3 is insanely tanky

but what after it ends

[sly drift]

Exu, Hoshi, Crownslayer trio

[analog fern]

What the fuck

[mighty pagoda]

is this s1 hoshi?

[hexed zodiac]

Lmao can you zoom out more I can almost see the next stage

[jovial nest]

Ok yeah very happy that my burn squad (unaltered) clears this.

[crisp bolt]

I'm proud of this clear

[scarlet fulcrum]

Better than above

[jovial nest]

If i don't need to, I will never alter my burn squad on chapter/event content

[crisp bolt]

Modx flametail + gravel

[jovial nest]

Good job on FT dodge though

[analog fern]

Bullshit level and I'll die on this hill...

[jovial nest]

Cement

been a while since I've seen her

[void terrace]

Damn nvm I eat my words

[crisp bolt]

Cement did nothing there but sat pretty

[hexed zodiac]

We got people clearing the mode with the most un-optimal ops while others struggle to clear it once 😂

[void terrace]

Trag s3 and mantra s3 one cycle sanguinarch second phase

In h13-4

[crisp bolt]

I was tanking by rotating my melee ops

[mighty pagoda]

ye hoe is decent with monster even without skill

blockes 2 attacks from 3

[crisp bolt]

Gravel with the bit of flametail dodge can last a surprisingly long time

To unenraged bear

[hexed zodiac]

“This bear is bs”

And

“Hey look I cleared it with cement”

[jovial nest]

I just felt like I've done harder tanking against Mechanist or Rosmontis in Vector 2 than this bear.

[analog fern]

Yeah, I don't get that

[mighty pagoda]

cement clear is based af

[south bone]

Mechanist and Rosmontis has more mechanic to em that's why

[jovial nest]

btw to anyone struggling

[analog fern]

Doing the myrtle ranged op dance and I just don't build dp fast enough because I have to spend dp to deploy operators to stall it

[jovial nest]

this bear's weakness is just making DEF high

simple as that

[hexed zodiac]

Oh ros would be much harder for people struggling with the bear rn

[fresh gazelle]

is there ANY shot the laterano squad beats the big bear

[analog fern]

Who?

[mighty pagoda]

is ros even hard?

[south bone]

i'm stuck at 16-15 oh god

[hexed zodiac]

Rosmontis the op, there’s a vector event where you fight against her

[jovial nest]

no the rematch

Ros' rematch in Mechanist's Vector

was difficult for my squad

[hexed zodiac]

No but if they are struggling with the bear they will prob struggle more with ros

[sick knoll]

My men sell their lives dearly in battle

[analog fern]

Why, does she instakill everything too?

[mighty pagoda]

kinda

[jovial nest]

This stage.

pre-Hoshi2 too so I had less tools to work with

[hexed zodiac]

She’s got a funny “drop pylon from space onto your face” mechanic

[jovial nest]

with my Burn squad

but it's THAT stage

that made me realize

Yu S3 active

has fucking absurd tankiness

[mighty pagoda]

no viviana in burn squad smh

[jovial nest]

this is high tankiness

for who i have

not to the levels of other Protectors

but for a Primal Def, fucking good

[mighty pagoda]

i mean he can tank like 10 hits with s2

but its impossible to heal him so

[void terrace]

Cuora easily clears

[jovial nest]

very

but i have pride in my burn squad to clear any normal/story/event content

so i wanted to

[hexed zodiac]

Got higher HP on S2 but you get defense boost on S3 plus HP boost

[analog fern]

The E2 cuora I picked up died in three hits

[jovial nest]

i can easily clear with Cuora/Hoshi Prot with Shining

but wanted to still try with Burn

[jovial nest]

she can't solo it

[mighty pagoda]

not like its hard to make a squad that clears everything

[jovial nest]

she needs 2 ST healers

maybe 1 if it's Shining

[fresh gazelle]

I DID IT

I BEAT THE BIG BEAR

[hexed zodiac]

Surtr hospital angle

[analog fern]

You know what, I think I got fucked by the people in help saying "just build dps, just build dps" because now I don't have any fucking materials for anyone else

[jovial nest]

depends. Some normal content makes you bend a bit since it counters your preferred strat hard

[fresh gazelle]

okay
I was worried there, but apparently it's just totally impotent once its rage wears off

[mighty pagoda]

some chars are just too op

[hexed zodiac]

You wouldn’t have to block the bear if you killed him first

[jovial nest]

well....ngl, DPS solved everything till specific story chapters challenged your DEF/healing

[river atlas]

what does the laterano squad consist of

[fresh gazelle]

I don't have the DP generation for that

[fresh gazelle]

laterano squad consists of... uh...

[mighty pagoda]

like i have abyssal squad, its to strong its just boring to use

[void terrace]

Actually

[river atlas]

like is it specific ops that interact with the faction mechanic, or anyone from laterano

[hexed zodiac]

It joke but still recommended to focus on dps for early newbies of course

[void terrace]

Can Vivian tank the bear

[mighty pagoda]

nah

[void terrace]

Vici

[mighty pagoda]

too low attack speed

[void terrace]

Vivi

[fresh gazelle]

This, basically, but I own all laterano operators

[void terrace]

Hmm fair

[fresh gazelle]

oh
I'm a veteran

[river atlas]

cuz if any laterano op is eligible, then spuria would probably be your best bet

[void terrace]

Maybe penance with enough suppory

[fresh gazelle]

forgot spuria

[analog fern]

Someone explain this to me

Deploy Jessica to attract the bear

Deploy Orchid immediately after.

Bear is targetting Jessica, but then just decides to go for Orchid despite not killing Jessica

[fresh gazelle]

but I do have her

she's just not leveled

[crisp bolt]

Yeah bear does that

[river atlas]

spuria s1's your most consistent cc

[jovial nest]

Geexu and Lemuen are carrying that DPS hard with Mostima doing CC.
Exalter is mostly the mob laner.
That's how I'd use that squad.

i'm not too fond for the others

[void terrace]

Damn this squad has given me the fastest sanguinarch clear ever

[analog fern]

Does... what?

[fresh gazelle]

incorrect
miksaparato be upon ye

[crisp bolt]

He can swap targets to recent deployed

[hexed zodiac]

Yeah I was talking to the other guy about how he said he shouldn’t have built dps first then out of no where you replied to my comment to him 😂

[void terrace]

This squad is basically just a fk you to res and Def and dmg resistance

[fresh gazelle]

oh, I didn't mean to have a reply

[mighty pagoda]

we can finally make good sui squad after this next event

[void terrace]

Sakiko is hyperbuffed with very low cool downs and she can spam her massive skill damage

[fresh gazelle]

or rather
I thought you were replying to me

[void terrace]

And mantra trag just cleans up any waves

[fresh gazelle]

not someone else

[void terrace]

Saki is the ultimate ST while mantra is the ultimate aoe

[fresh gazelle]

anyway yeah sankta miksaparato is the ultimate CC
just block the enemy

[hexed zodiac]

All good I don’t even know what you asked

[mighty pagoda]

what if unblockable

[fresh gazelle]

basically, just
"can laterano squad beat the big bear"

[analog fern]

What's a laterano squad?

[fresh gazelle]

laterano operators only

[river atlas]

how do u plan to block the bear with sankta here

[mighty pagoda]

someone showed that miksa can block the bear

[analog fern]

Does that even do anything? Like, does it give buffs?

[hexed zodiac]

Only laterano? Prob not, need some sort of melee meat shield so the dps can kill him

[fresh gazelle]

I just did it

[river atlas]

sankta exists

[fresh gazelle]

like
adverse mode

[hexed zodiac]

[young cairn]

I don't see why not, most of the difficulty of the fight gets drained if you stall the boss enough

[hexed zodiac]

Amazing

[fresh gazelle]

and also
ambriel exists

[river atlas]

how are u getting sankta on the ground long enough to setup though with no vg

[fresh gazelle]

and also
lemuen exists

just those two do an admirable job of stalling the bear

[young cairn]

Ambriel and snipers

[jovial nest]

for those who need tips on stalling the bear

if you have ops with <15 DP

[hexed zodiac]

Actually forgot about Sankta

[river atlas]

bro

[young cairn]

Stall nonstop

[jovial nest]

and decent range

just bait the bear

[fresh gazelle]

I did it second try, basically
which was my first try after scouting the level

[jovial nest]

to trying to kill them

[river atlas]

i am not asking for tips

we're debating a specific challenge setup under specific circumstances

[fresh gazelle]

it was surprisingly easy

[jovial nest]

Ines is really good for this job

[hexed zodiac]

Exu2 shield S2 prob

[jovial nest]

and i used Ling/Lapptop as baiting the bear again

[fresh gazelle]

it did seem pretty obvious, yeah

[jovial nest]

while your medic and defense lines aren't ready yet

[fresh gazelle]

what medics

[jovial nest]

just keep baiting bear with cheap ops

don't let them die

[jovial nest]

i used medics. Very unoptimal ones

[fresh gazelle]

but yeah, AA snipers are absolutely peak for this stage

[jovial nest]

Ptilo and Reedic

are my Burn's medics

[fresh gazelle]

laterano does not have medics, lol

[jovial nest]

oh this is general tips

not for you

[fresh gazelle]

right

[hexed zodiac]

Ptilo is a burn medic?

[jovial nest]

i'm just following up your sentence

[fresh gazelle]

my advice - just
use AA snipers to stall
in particular, the bear has very short range, so...

[jovial nest]

She's there for SP rec

alongside 4 Suis

so i can do Yu S3 more frequently

2-3 S3s per map

not bad

[hexed zodiac]

Ah she’s part of your burn squad you mean

[jovial nest]

yes

Pralter and Wang and SAlter are things that will improve my burn squad further

[fresh gazelle]

I did aa sniper on white facing down, and an aa sniper green facing right
That is already a major stall

[hexed zodiac]

Kinda funny how Amiya medic and Reed just ignore the thorny slug mechanic

[analog fern]

Does it even matter if your stallers are high level or is it literally all the range that matters?

[jovial nest]

Reedic has always ignored revenge damage

[south bone]

so is alchemist

[jovial nest]

if it's not strong enough

[sly drift]

Isn't that actually easier mechanic than Bear keep chasing Jessice

[fresh gazelle]

they don't ignore it, they're incantation medics

[jovial nest]

it's more like they have the privelege

to ignore it

since they heal more than the dmg they get

[fresh gazelle]

exactly

[hexed zodiac]

Yes but also you know what I mean

[fresh gazelle]

fair

[young cairn]

Not sure if you noticed but stun resets the bear aggro so with good enough stunrate you can make the bear just wiggle back and forth

[south bone]

the one who can actually ignore the reflect is tinman's archetype

[fresh gazelle]

laterano has no stuns, lol

[south bone]

[fresh gazelle]

the one thing laterano has in abundance is CHEAP SNIPERS

[young cairn]

Doesn't ambriel have stun?

[river atlas]

laterano has a bunch of stuns

[fresh gazelle]

oh, I forgot about that

[jovial nest]

anyways good talk.
I will now continue to use the same burn squad (with improvements depending on when the ops release) just like what i've been doing since Yu's release.

[fresh gazelle]

I will continue my laterano win streak

[jovial nest]

Can't wait for Wang and Pralter

they will improve my Burn squad a lot

[river atlas]

ambriel, spuria, enforcer can all stun

[mighty pagoda]

too op already

[fresh gazelle]

SURELY my total lack of medics and DP gen will not ABSOLUTELY SCREW ME at some later point in the chapter

[hexed zodiac]

Nah

[jovial nest]

wym, Geexu is healing if you cycle S2 enough hah

[hexed zodiac]

Just borrow

Ezpz

Never punished

[fresh gazelle]

who

what?

[hexed zodiac]

Ezpz is a saying not an op

[fresh gazelle]

yeah, but
who am I supposed to borrow

a lateran medic that doesn't exist?

[jovial nest]

Geexu is a medic.....TO HERSELF

[hexed zodiac]

If you get screwed and need a medic in the future I assumed you’d break your laterano rule

[jovial nest]

By comparison, Fedex's healing is pathetic

[sly drift]

Wait.. Why sometime bear doesn't chase global attack from ally.
Is the bear has max distance?

[fresh gazelle]

yeah, geexu tends to carry my defensive side

[fresh gazelle]

it really is
he can barely fight the slugs at all

[young cairn]

The worrying part is actually 16-16 phase 2 cos the right side is so prone to leaking without keeping miners alive

[jovial nest]

I've seen her strength in IS6
she's gonna survive the end of time if S2 keeps being active in the perfect time

[fresh gazelle]

[young cairn]

So no medic might be difficult there

[mighty pagoda]

i dont think haruka heals them

so i did it without medics

[hexed zodiac]

You kept them alive?

[young cairn]

Yep haruka is an abjurer

Not a medic

[mighty pagoda]

i just deployed some ops and it was enough

[jovial nest]

are only the medic classes the ones that can healer Miners?

[south bone]

yes i think so

[young cairn]

Only medics yea

[mighty pagoda]

no need for healing

[hexed zodiac]

So like I never healed them

They on their own

[mighty pagoda]

its fine

i didnt use healers in the game for some years already

[fresh gazelle]

this is basically how 16-12 works, yeah

just
bring enough snipers

[young cairn]

Not saying it's not doable but it might cause a leak

[mighty pagoda]

kekw

ye i did leak one time

[hexed zodiac]

Shrimply kill them before they leak

[mighty pagoda]

true

i used sakiko and umiri there

[south bone]

they won't leak if u pause

[mighty pagoda]

it was enough

[young cairn]

Roster diffed

[analog fern]

I refuse to consider anything less than a perfect score a successful run.

[mighty pagoda]

and haruka in the middle

[hexed zodiac]

You say that but like how much you wanna bet there’s a 4 star clear guide on YouTube

[young cairn]

Yes but that also requires you to build units you normally wouldn't prio (and some of them even overinvest)

[hexed zodiac]

But it’s not a roster diff

[south bone]

jaye sweeps

[mighty pagoda]

not like 4* is expensive

[young cairn]

Ofc it's roster diff, not enough resources to build everything you need

Bro it is expensive when you're 1.5months into the game and is just barely having a functional roster

[hexed zodiac]

If you can’t build 4 stars you have bigger problems

[analog fern]

Ok, I'm at a loss

[azure roost]

[hexed zodiac]

Most of the time you have better variants of those 4 stars like how saria is a better gummie and you use them in place of the 4 stars you don’t have built.

The guides show you how ops clear the stage they aren’t always meant for you to carbon copy them

[mighty pagoda]

i tried penance btw she cant tank it

[analog fern]

Sakiko, Trag, Haruka, Silence, Hibi, and as many cheap sniper ops as I could get and it's just not working

Saria and two healers doesn't work

[south bone]

well yea no shit

[analog fern]

Haruka does not get skill fast enough

[young cairn]

For example even now i don't have a proper brick or a strong caster

[south bone]

she need to kill

[analog fern]

What the fuck else am I missing?

[mighty pagoda]

i thought maybe she can charge s3

[sly drift]

Funi boss..
Anyway why sometime boss just doesn't walk toward the attacker at all?

[mighty pagoda]

but nope

[hexed zodiac]

Click, cuora, rockrock, spot, etc

[mighty pagoda]

i could take sui to charge penance

but its kinda troll

[south bone]

crownslayer mentioned??

[foggy grove]

you don't need strong caster thankfully

cuora is more than enough for whatever brick needs

[young cairn]

I built click, damage is ok but a lot of times not enough alone. E2 lv20, do i really need to m3 her

[sly drift]

Peakslayer

[south bone]

YES

[hexed zodiac]

No e1 was fine, you aren’t looking for Wis levels of damage just to fill a role

[young cairn]

Also i never built cuora cos not necessary so far until bear, had to borrow a protector for simulation

[hexed zodiac]

Well if you’re ever in the need of a cheap brick wall cuora is a fantastic option the game basically makes sure you have

You can get like 2k armor? Or close

With S2 activation

[analog fern]

I'm doing a perfect stall and it's still not enough

I'm gonna record this shit

[young cairn]

I'm so broke

The resources are all flying away

[hexed zodiac]

Wanna borrow mine lmao

[mighty pagoda]

why worse skin

[foggy grove]

RA/IS give resource if you want

[young cairn]

Dw i have a hoshi1 friend support np, thx for offering tho

[hexed zodiac]

Only one I have

[mighty pagoda]

the shroom one is too good

bought y0 and still use

[hexed zodiac]

Didn’t feel like much of a chance art style wise

[mighty pagoda]

its probably impossible to find croissant support

[hexed zodiac]

🫂

[hexed zodiac]

not from me you won’t

[mighty pagoda]

not from anyone probably

i could build mine but its kinda troll

and she kinda wants the module too

[hexed zodiac]

She kinda doesn’t want to be deployed

[mighty pagoda]

s1 is not that bad, she was my choice 2 defender before i had hoshi

[hexed zodiac]

I think I used gummie back in the day (she was E0)

[mighty pagoda]

i didnt like gummie

[hexed zodiac]

Love her in IS

[mighty pagoda]

also can she even tank

[hexed zodiac]

Saved many runs

She can with sp relics or any defender relics bc 99% of the time your other ops just need you to hold an enemy for a second for them to kill

Pairing her with the sp gen deployable is actually giga brain for heal spam

It’s funny but not optimal

No sp wasted since she can hold charges if she’s spamming it

[sly drift]

Why would you borrow croissant lol. Just borrow Nian or Hoshi, I have all three Hoshiguma in case someone need it.

[mighty pagoda]

i wanted to try her for the bear

i have nian and hoshi myself

no need to borrow

[sly drift]

Bison probably better than Croissant for bear ngl

Free dude

[mighty pagoda]

longer skill charge, no dodge

[sly drift]

Are we deadass seethe dodge chance on bear with that aspd

[mighty pagoda]

still need less heal

even if it rarely procs

[hexed zodiac]

When do we get the philae S2 “surtr hospital” clear

[mighty pagoda]

why her

[hexed zodiac]

Just bring 10 medics and use her S2 to kill the bear

She does reflect damage

[mighty pagoda]

hoshi does too

[hexed zodiac]

You’ll be there for an hour

[analog fern]

I can't send the video because it's too big of a file, are you fucking kidding me

[mighty pagoda]

i could try jessica but i just got her a month ago and couldnt build yet

[hexed zodiac]

Yeah but philae clear is an aoe irl sanity hit to anyone who sees it

[mighty pagoda]

just speed it up

like x100

[hexed zodiac]

More lmao

Reflect is only on skill activation

And it’s got a base 60 charge

[mighty pagoda]

surely she can proc necrosis and deal some damage

she does like 160 every 2 seconds

skill is 40 seconds

so she can proc necrosis with 1 skill

boss is like 150k hp tho

[analog fern]

Someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here.

[mighty pagoda]

what is a point of stalling the boss if his skill is not over

and you dont have enough survivability

you need some better tank or stall for longer so his skill is over

[analog fern]

I literally cannot stall for any longer

[mighty pagoda]

whats stopping you

[analog fern]

You want me to switch out Trag?

Then the only form of DPS I have is Sakiko

[mighty pagoda]

you know that distance between those 2 dots is longer than any other distance you used?

why you use spots where bear goes for next char for 3 tiles

if here its 7

[analog fern]

To keep him away from the home base

[mighty pagoda]

why?

[analog fern]

I can't have Saria where she is if I do that

[mighty pagoda]

you can make him go there later

[analog fern]

Fine, I'll try it

[young cairn]

Use raidian and use the summons for extra time, only use snipers to fill in the gaps

[analog fern]

Don't have her

[young cairn]

Raidian is free

And you don't even need to build her cos her entire build resources is from IS6

[analog fern]

Haven't played it

[young cairn]

Or use whatever summoner, doesn't have to be raidian, it's a lot of extra bodies

[mighty pagoda]

mayer for dodge

[somber falcon]

alternatively just borrow a proper brick and be done with it

[young cairn]

True but stall gaming is the best gaming

[mighty pagoda]

they cant find hoshi support for some reason

[somber falcon]

not even nian?

[mighty pagoda]

i dont think they tried to find nian

[somber falcon]

inb4 she get passed on because they don't know what she does

[analog fern]

I despise borrowing. Feels like cheating

[somber falcon]

My brother in christ
You have fuck all e2 in that team

[analog fern]

Well I'm already eyeing an E2 Max Saria anyways

[mighty pagoda]

can max saria even tank him

[somber falcon]

even e2 max saria will die to bear

[mighty pagoda]

maybe with dr module

[analog fern]

WHO DOESN'T

[somber falcon]

^

[mighty pagoda]

nian

[analog fern]

And who cares if most of my team isn't E2? Over half of them is just there to stall

[river atlas]

Is this still going on

[mighty pagoda]

yep

[noble pewter]

use kroos glint eye n pray passive stun

[analog fern]

It goes on until I kill this dumbass bear

[plucky flint]

Sadly, mine also died solo

[mighty pagoda]

too bad

[plucky flint]

her def is a lot lesser than protector defender

[foggy grove]

healing defender is not a brick

[river atlas]

Is this adverse or simulation

[analog fern]

Adverse. All it does is give the bear more health

At this point, that's not an issue for me because it's not like I've been able to damage it anyways

[river atlas]

u dont even need a proper brick if its adverse

[plucky flint]

thanks for the aak btw can't bypass 20% bear hp even with one hit

[mighty pagoda]

you can borrow my hoshi if you want

[analog fern]

I'll consider it when I can get this perfect stall done and still fail

Or maybe just switch to a "brick" if I even have one

[mighty pagoda]

you dont

[crisp bolt]

not borrowing my Aak? 🥀

[mighty pagoda]

oh you have max level sakiko, thats why no lmd

[crisp bolt]

people actually finding use out of Aak s2

[mighty pagoda]

what it even does

[crisp bolt]

+def and hp

[plucky flint]

I didn't saw ur ID nor see u add my ID

[analog fern]

No I have LMD, I just don't have the mats to E2 anyone

Especially not defenders, because they've been pretty much useless for me

Until now

[mighty pagoda]

welp

i dont use defenders myself too

[analog fern]

So why do you have one leveled?

[mighty pagoda]

why not

[crisp bolt]

I have multiple defenders leveled :ya:

even though I only use shu

[mighty pagoda]

i even have eunectes levelled and modded

[analog fern]

Okay, and how long have you been playing

[mighty pagoda]

6y i think

[noble pewter]

u just need stall the boss until his orange bar gone then he cant even kill a 3 star beagle supported by a 3 star medic this is easily done by just constantly rotating to have one range unit atk him in middle before he walk away to blue box

[analog fern]

Not even 6 months

[analog fern]

Not if my stalls run out too fast. Tried doing was nnnn suggested and it still wasn't enough time to either stall or set up my healer brigade

[mighty pagoda]

thats why you borrow hoshi and win

[analog fern]

Just give me the code

[mighty pagoda]

nnnn1111#9410

[analog fern]

Borrowing feels like such a copout man...

[plucky flint]

bro finally beat his ego

[noble pewter]

u need slow him with the orchid

[mighty pagoda]

you can always go back and do it without borrowing later

[analog fern]

That would put aggro on the orchid and then she dies

[plucky flint]

is this the first boss that do something like that when going phase 2? not saying what it is for spoiler free

[noble pewter]

then u put someone else after bear kill her n he walking away to reaggro him walk back again, rinse n repeat

[mighty pagoda]

if by something you mean status there is parrot one

[hasty minnow]

i can confirm adverse max saria does not tank

[mighty pagoda]

sadge

[analog fern]

Sent

[plucky flint]

uhhh, you know, the new thing

that happens when phase 2 revives

[mighty pagoda]

oh you mean the other boss not bear

[plucky flint]

oh yea

[mighty pagoda]

there are bosses like that in is

idk about something like that outside of is

there is exusiai alter event

but its not exactly different map

[analog fern]

I FUCKING DID IT

WITHOUT A SUPPORT

[mighty pagoda]

that took way too long

[analog fern]

EGO WINS

Still think it's a stupid boss in a stupid mission but I don't care anymore

[mighty pagoda]

there are way more cancer bosses

i still think harold is the worse boss in the game

[analog fern]

The ave mujica boss is kind of bs but at least I felt like I was doing something

[mighty pagoda]

even tho now abyssals can just ignore the map mechanics entirely and face tank him

but on release there was no ulpi

[fresh gazelle]

16-15 is posing serious problems for my laterano squad
any advice?

army heavy artillery that I can't attack...

and there's MORE of them...

[mighty pagoda]

if you only use laterano idk really

[fresh gazelle]

my only hope of taking ANY of them out quickly is sankta miksaparato

but he can't deploy in the right places

[mighty pagoda]

but if you dont only use laterano tequila makes artillery easy

[fresh gazelle]

I did literally say laterano only

[mighty pagoda]

you didnt but ok

[fresh gazelle]

that's what laterano squad means

[mighty pagoda]

can you even beat it with no healing

[fresh gazelle]

I don't know
that's what I'm asking for advice with

if you don't have any, please let someone else respond

[river atlas]

Ive decided cardigan is slightly better than beagle for tanking bear on adverse

[fresh gazelle]

alright
I don't think I can do this
moving on

[full fractal]

do passive skills for the fast redeploys like texas alter trigger mantra S3

[wicked minnow]

ye they do

[tender orbit]

Do overload skills count as activating twice

Or whatever the name was

[azure roost]

@wicked minnow

done chp16?

[wicked minnow]

yeeee

i had to learn the mechanics at 16-16

unfortunately

im scared of what is to come in h16-4

[river atlas]

I still havent learned the mechanics for ch16

i might be a bit dumb

[wicked minnow]

did you finish it yet? i know you have multiple accounts so it can be hard to juggle all of it

[elder flume]

Oh is it capped to 3 skills done by anyone for Mantra S3

[rapid junco]

bro will back with 4 accouns done within 24hrs

[elder flume]

Thought it was individual 3 skills cap hm

[wicked minnow]

3 skills including mantra herself

[wet tangle]

16-16 is fun

[wicked minnow]

so it's more like activate 2 more skills in her range for max paralysis inflicted from mantra herself

[wet tangle]

any ways to stop the boss from killing the miners?

[elder flume]

I was testing Cutter and Nian skill cancel

[wet tangle]

[azure roost]

i ifnished the main

[elder flume]

Uh bait the boss ?

[azure roost]

jp ahvent started

but my global alt is on 16-13

hello @elder flume

[wet tangle]

might be hard uhhh

will try

[elder flume]

Elo

[wet tangle]

surtr sacrifice

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-gif-22392540

[azure roost]

@wicked minnow my alt

[wicked minnow]

sounds like wasting dp

[azure roost]

ngl idk why i didnt use leizi2 s3

there

[wicked minnow]

😭

[elder flume]

Shes gona die before her 8s is up ye

[wet tangle]

shit does a lot of dmg

[azure roost]

oh ye used s1 ceobe there

[elder flume]

Its more of a force retreat on 4th hit due to smoke

[wicked minnow]

ye but it's split across the units in her range

[azure roost]

boss is funni still

cant wait for h stage

to abuse yu s2

[wet tangle]

is it?

[wicked minnow]

phase 2

ye

[wet tangle]

shit 1 shots my snipers

[wicked minnow]

it almost 1 shot my lumen

[wet tangle]

and mon3tr

[wicked minnow]

it tickles sankta miksaparato tho

[wet tangle]

haruka survives but she can't heal the miners

[elder flume]

Defender moment

[wicked minnow]

honestly i think phase2 best plan is to burst down the boss

[azure roost]

but ye boss hurst so much

[wicked minnow]

just like place shit down and kill her ez

[azure roost]

on 16-16 you van jsut wait for boss to arrive

phase 2

just bait shit

[elder flume]

Phase 2 just wants you to deploy fast or else right side is shit

[wicked minnow]

so true 😭

[azure roost]

fucking pathing there

is so short

me when miner died

[elder flume]

Its why im setting up Sakiko 1 cycle

[azure roost]

and some fucker goes through

[elder flume]

And finding out i might need Sora buff zz

[azure roost]

i cant remember what i did on cn

i know kill the boss on other side

but still

fuck that other lane pathing

[young cairn]

YESYESYESYES FINALLY

[azure roost]

look at that side

[young cairn]

No borrow too

[azure roost]

lmfao

once miner died

fucker just goes through if u dont have good dps there

[young cairn]

Yea need to instadeploy medic + defender on right side otherwise the miner just folds

And then bait the kamikaze drones on middle

Then can start deploying on middle

[hasty minnow]

holy yato

he def soloed the boss

[young cairn]

Goated yato gave her life multiple times to tank the boss shots

[pearl compass]

Now the Sim

[young cairn]

Doing it rn

[fresh gazelle]

Alright, time for me to bring the full squad for 16-16

[nocturne cove]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1jQW2zqEXi

[fresh gazelle]

any advice for phase 2

[fresh gazelle]

right, so, I don't have either of those operators

but cool story, I guess

[pearl compass]

Don't pick Additional Reinforcements risk.

[fresh gazelle]

I haven't beaten it yet

[pearl compass]

Or at least have Tragodia and Shu.

[fresh gazelle]

sorry, no can do

what about ines

[pearl compass]

How to explain you...

Last wave after boss is 6 Ursus Gundams.

Red version.

[fresh gazelle]

right, I have not been able to get to that point

[pearl compass]

They just pewpewpewpewpew, you have no one in the field.

[fresh gazelle]

lemuen can deal with those

that's fine

[pearl compass]

Well, if it's fine...

[fresh gazelle]

I'm asking about
beating
phase 2?

not phase 3

[pearl compass]

Yurostvo on P2 is actually fraud.

The main problem is whole field ban.

[fresh gazelle]

well
I'm dying to the regular enemies on phase 2... they keep slipping past me and I just need advice

[pearl compass]

Even present with boss kill.

[fresh gazelle]

yeah, that's the main problem

[fresh gazelle]

aauughhhh

okay
yeah
that's what I need advice for

[pearl compass]

Use civs to block them, make them go defensive mode.

[fresh gazelle]

the civs keep dying ;-;

[pearl compass]

Use Ines for right side.

[pearl compass]

Use Medic.

[fresh gazelle]

oky
I hadn't gotten to that point, but that WAS the next plan

[fresh gazelle]

is lumen enough

[pearl compass]

Any medic will enable regen to Civs while in range.

So even Lancet works.

[fresh gazelle]

it's so annoying that medics are basically required

[fringe solstice]

[fresh gazelle]

why do I have to use medics
so dumb
it's the one thing laterano doesn't have

[pearl compass]

[fresh gazelle]

it's almost like
medics are really important to the game as a whole

[pearl compass]

Oh you're Laterano niche player

[fresh gazelle]

[pearl compass]

I thought you playing with no niche

[broken tangle]

The angels have no medics? Kind of ironic no?

[fresh gazelle]

yeah
I don't think I will be able to beat 16-15 or 16-16 with only laterano

[pearl compass]

Well, cheat it, for now.

[fresh gazelle]

that's what I meant by this

[fresh gazelle]

I'm
still struggling, but oke

it's hoederer time

it's not hoederer time

[azure roost]

[fresh gazelle]

it is hoederer time?

[young cairn]

Meanwhile 16-17 with its anni mechanics is kicking my rear cos I can't survive the initial crossbowmen rush

Not enough dp to deploy

[river atlas]

where are ur agents

[young cairn]

No agents

Haven't managed to pull a single one (sneg doesn't count)

[signal vector]

What about flags?

[young cairn]

Just 1 flag, myrtle

And that's not enough dp to place aoe damage + someone who can bait the crossbowman and sustain through it

[maiden hound]

puzzle

[young cairn]

Oh no is it time to finally go get puzzle

[signal vector]

I mean people've done 16-17 strategic simulation with only durin so I'm pretty sure you should be able to do it with a built squad lol

[young cairn]

Idk man is my squad built? https://www.krooster.com/u/gvm

I tried a few times and i couldn't sustain ascalon at all

Dodge rng gaming

[fresh gazelle]

okay

fiiiinally

[river atlas]

do u want to actually play the stage properly or just win

[young cairn]

Is there a difference?

[river atlas]

yes

that stage has a cheese strat

[signal vector]

If ur struggling that much I'd say just bring myrtle + fang icl

[young cairn]

I'm already using them both

Not enough dp and they both get murdered instantly

[river atlas]

i will start u with a hint off, the actual objective isn't to kill everything. It's to survive for 7 minutes

[weak gazelle]

huh?
i tho its gonna be interesting or something but.... just very basic tank and spank :icant:

[river atlas]

yeah that stage is very simple

[young cairn]

Yea but how do you stop the leaking

[river atlas]

i will give u a 2nd hint, the timer starts when u press the start stage button

[young cairn]

Eh?

Wait wdym by that

OH

[river atlas]

press the start button, and then observe

[young cairn]

so you just let the cutscene play for the entire duration??

[signal vector]

Ye this is when shining comes in handy ngl

[fresh gazelle]

Well. That’s deja vu.

[river atlas]

[fresh gazelle]

I don't know why

[signal vector]

When you want to turn hoshi1 into "da wall"

[young cairn]

I guess this is what happens when you don't have strong ranged dps with immediate power

Sometimes you gotta cope

Or an agent would've fixed my issues too

[south bone]

man i hate the unblockable dudes more than some other enemies

[river atlas]

the wraiths are easily my least favorite enemy in the chapter yeah

[wicked minnow]

naaaaaaa

fuck the mechas with the missiles

the wraiths are almost solod by the miners in most stages

the mechas are the only annoying part in 16-16

[elder flume]

I feel like if i take a breather and not care about rushing this chap could be fun to break

[wicked minnow]

first thing can you check that 1 stage with the weird targetting

i cant get the exact thing that happened to him to occur

but i had a similar targetting issue

somewhat repeatable

[elder flume]

I have theories but then again its not the first time an enemy changed targeting

Its been there since ToW

[hidden axle]

Yes but you would miss the secret ending 🥀

[elder flume]

Will see if i can get the explanation from before

[past nacelle]

any chance to defeat the bear with my roster?
https://www.krooster.com/u/chubs_cute

[wicked minnow]

easily yeah

[elder flume]

You have Trag Raidian Lapp2

Each 1 of those has their own ways on baiting bear

[river atlas]

i need to point out

adverse bear is beatable with ansel, hibiscus, cardigan, and every marksman sniper + decel binder you own with only the first 3 being leveled

[past nacelle]

dang

[elder flume]

Its really just a stall map

[river atlas]

survive 3 minutes and then the boss starts hitting like a pillow

[elder flume]

Theres strats on bursting phase 1 so phase 2 comes quicker but usually people dont have raised vg squad to get the dp

[past nacelle]

i did see a raidian s1 strat once but i didnt remember

[river atlas]

u even have jaye leveled

[wicked minnow]

meh. raidian s1 isnt worth using for this

s2 works pretty well tho

[river atlas]

bring s1 jaye for post enrage to silence the rock throw and u can even afk the dmg section of the fight

[wicked minnow]

not sure if it need s2's masteries tho

[river atlas]

or lappy

[young cairn]

I could just redo it later yea?

[young cairn]

4 tile range bait on skill is so much time burnt for the bear

Basically just juggle the bear on the left side of the screen, if raidian isn't masteried can fill the redeploy gap with a sniper

[past nacelle]

nice

[thick sphinx]

Well fuck me, I though you were talking about adverse

I'm late, by alot, but just e2 ur perfumer, maybe add in your 3star healers

[hidden axle]

Ken noob

Nobody e2s perfumer

[hidden axle]

.

[river atlas]

i need to make a minor correction

u need like a few exp cards worth of levels on your random decel/marksmans or the boss will eventually target cardigan with a rock

[past nacelle]

urgh, still need og hoshi

[young cairn]

Well uhh i guess I'll finish it when i have the energy

[exotic grove]

?

[past nacelle]

i need hoshi at first because cuora couldnt hold the lane

and then everything was so easy

[fresh gazelle]

just kill them faster

[thick sphinx]

-# I think you love bullying me atp 😭

[exotic grove]

just stall more

[wary onyx]

uh which simulation is better @hidden axle

which one is easier

[pearl compass]

Both of bottom risks are bad shit

So you pick either Boss stat increase and jebate her attacks, or Paralyse her instead.
Or get ready to last wave on end of the stage being very very strong to wipeout everyone.

Either of those needs Tragodia very hard.

[azure roost]

@wicked minnow

[pearl compass]

And perfect heal.

[azure roost]

peak lee

[daring escarp]

First is at least manageable

[wicked minnow]

lee usage

wait wtf

welfare

3 welfares

2 of my favorite

[azure roost]

ngl looking at this screenshot

the only lvl 7 is ng, m3 is saileach (s2) and thorns s3, and m6 is lee

@wicked minnow

[daring escarp]

Wisadele perfect counter

[wicked minnow]

this means that sankta miksa and crownslayer are m3 at least?

[river atlas]

What makes wisadel a counter

[lime lantern]

splash damage

also high def

[river atlas]

Oh i read it the other way as wisadel countering them

[wary onyx]

she has the spike things too

[lime lantern]

oh yeah and damage counter lol

[wary onyx]

bait the boss atks

[lime lantern]

you can outheal them

[river atlas]

Someone able to explain how the mr nothing strat works for the bear

[wicked minnow]

uhhh

you see exu2

you use exu2 s2 on mr nothing

mr nothing needs mod3

and that's it

perma stun that's been known since exu2 first released on CN

[elder flume]

tldr -70 aspd makes Nothing attack every 3s

[river atlas]

Oh the mod is what i missed

[void terrace]

Holy shit

This actually erases the sanguinarch

No bombs needed

[elder flume]

and then he revives

[azure roost]

m9

[wicked minnow]

yoooooooooo

[full terrace]

Hi guys

Nobody struggling with Episode 16 right? 😂

[wicked minnow]

hiiiii arf

it was only on the first day that we got a lot of questions

[pearl compass]

I do, but still made it.

[wicked minnow]

not many people asking about it now

[pearl compass]

Make 16-7, 16-12, 16-15 and 16-16.

[wicked minnow]

16-7 is a good one to make a guide

16-16 also ye

16-15 has annoying ass mortars

if you dont have a solve for them it can be annoying

[elder flume]

Kina dum

[wicked minnow]

tequilla talent is a solve but i havent tested him with no mod there

[elder flume]

thats like 15 20% bar left with just Ines

[wicked minnow]

is ines able to send him walking across the map with s3?

[elder flume]

as long as sentry hits

[wicked minnow]

damn

[full terrace]

Yo Shileds 👋
I'm struggling to find time to record because of AIC 😅
Was considering dropping my alt account for it if people needed help

[wicked minnow]

endfield has took yet another soul from us

[full terrace]

Hmm okay guess I'll just do that

[elder flume]

mald 16-3 targeting while at it

havent gotten much info from it

[glass monolith]

Are civilian spawn have random in it or something? I feel like sometime they just get stuck fighting rock near spawner instead going do something else god dammit thanks god i dont have to pay them like HE civilians

[thick sphinx]

You need to activate those things again

Then they start attacking

-# that's what happened to me ig

[azure roost]

some on bear or final boss

[glass monolith]

Nah activating them againt make civilians afk near it, i mean like RNG in spawn position so they sometimes get stuck dueling ranged tile rock

[thick sphinx]

For me they just afk near it, and once I activate it they move

Welp,
-# it doesn't matter, ch is relatively easy

[glass monolith]

if it is allready activated it won't turn off by itself, will it

[thick sphinx]

[glass monolith]

yea, made me say "Fuck it, rarity abuse" only in finale

[thick sphinx]

Now I'm just waiting to see how "easy" the H stages are

"nobody" gonna struggle rt?

[craggy arrow]

How much investment do I need on my cura to survive the bear?

[thick sphinx]

Technically if you use a support unit you don't need to level cuora.

Do u hv exia alter or wisadel?

[craggy arrow]

I have exu alter. And I don't want to borrow

No wis

But I can borrow a lv 60 regular hosi if I am hopeless.
Also I cleared the regular fight.
I am asking for adverse environment

[thick sphinx]

Ohkay then, uhm

Just follow this thing
In place of wisadel use exusia alter and maybe add in some other damage dealers to help exusiai

Ines can be replaced by 2 fast redeploy or fill up with 3 stars and 2 stars

U just need to learn how to bait the bear and ur golden