strategy

[elder flume]

thats clearly not 5mins

[thick sphinx]

Do we still get to keep the flag and bomb in our depot?

Or are they gone with those other two things cuz of the eg stages

[elder flume]

idk youre farther than me

im stuck on 16-16 until i E2 Mon3tr and somehow get more atk on Sakiko to 1 cycle boss prob

adding space for Sora S2 would suck

[thick sphinx]

After you cycle over to the second map, you could just place down haruka in the center, and sakko and ur other dps

[scarlet fulcrum]

The miners also do their job removing the reflect spike , we have good civies now

[thick sphinx]

The boss come in from the left side btw

[elder flume]

nah im killing boss in 1 go from map 1

[thick sphinx]

As in he goes through the left box

[thick sphinx]

That's not possible?

[elder flume]

you saw my vid

[thick sphinx]

Ohhh, you mean the sakiko thingy

[thick sphinx]

Yea i get what ur trying to do lol

[burnt vessel]

I swear 16-12 was the only stage where I borrowed a support Ling in ch16...

[thick sphinx]

Hmm? Used lings s3? How did u get enough dp?

Oh wait, u used her s2 for 6 dp one

Shit, mb forgot abt that lol

[burnt vessel]

Nope. S2, and I used Myrtle for DP until I have enough to place Ling's summons and Tragodia for stalling

[thick sphinx]

.

[thick sphinx]

Ohh, i just used wisadel nd fast redeply bait

[elder flume]

Adverse 0 mostly just wants a tank

[thick sphinx]

Who did u tank with?

[elder flume]

Cuora

[burnt vessel]

Nice, Tragodia stalling is a lifesaver. That stage is a good lesson that we can't just insta-OK enemies with OP operators from the start

[mighty pagoda]

its guess a character minigame?

[thick sphinx]

I didn't have enough dp to start up haruka

[thick sphinx]

Hmmm

[thick sphinx]

I mean, tbh that stage ther eis only one guy to kill so

[burnt vessel]

Yeah, considering DP is 0 at the start. You gotta brainstorm, lol

[thick sphinx]

Hmmm
-# yea ur rt abt that

[mighty pagoda]

i mean bagpipe exists, also texas

[thick sphinx]

I dont have either so kinda they don't exist for me 😭

[mighty pagoda]

they give texas for free

or you didnt upgrade your base

[thick sphinx]

In help chat they said not to do the link board missions

[mighty pagoda]

ye its for the better

no free texas tho

[thick sphinx]

I have 252, but right side other than workshop activity dorms and training room nada

[thick sphinx]

😭

My control center still at level 4 lmao

[elder flume]

surely that means pull Kernel

[mighty pagoda]

i bought her with gold certs

[thick sphinx]

Never gonna do that 😭

[thick sphinx]

I'm abt to go broke, silver ash banner stealing so many pulls

[mighty pagoda]

she is my secretary for 6 years, surely worth

[thick sphinx]

Lol

[mighty pagoda]

i did get some dupes later on tho

[thick sphinx]

Hmmm

The. Maybe i might be lucky

[mighty pagoda]

i did from gacha

but you can get her in recruit now too

[thick sphinx]

Oh yea i forgot both are in recruitment

[mighty pagoda]

i also bought angelina with gold certs and never used her since

[elder flume]

Not enough for frame 1 stun hm
Maybe possible if i get Lapp2

[thick sphinx]

[mighty pagoda]

she wasnt that bad y0

[fringe solstice]

I already have her m6. I only use her in IS now

[tall sierra]

Boss get stunned to death

[mighty pagoda]

ye i tried but half of the enemies are immune to levitation

and its kinda frustrating because of that

[sterile delta]

angelina is busted in IS tho

[mighty pagoda]

maybe in some specific is its not like that

[thick sphinx]

Ines into exia alter and then 1 hit on every fast redeply and keep cyxlimg

Easy frame 1 kill

[pearl compass]

Gooooooooooooal

[sterile delta]

broken in is3/4, alright for tacfort is5, very strong in is6

[pearl compass]

⚽

[elder flume]

youre still using 11 dp for 4 dp + 5 dp return

[thick sphinx]

Ines s2?

[mighty pagoda]

i think i tried her in is5, or whatever is was active when her module released

[elder flume]

that doesnt look frame 1

[fringe solstice]

I think once I get to the bear I'll just y0 classic: shining and hoshi

[thick sphinx]

Then again it doesn't matter of the boss dies rt, s2 ines in to retreat give more dp

[sterile delta]

shes the worst in is5 because handmixing

[thick sphinx]

Hmm

[mighty pagoda]

hand didnt exist before

[pearl compass]

Don't take the ATK+ risk then.
Or Hoshi gets shredded in seconds.

[glass monolith]

My current 16-15 strategy working on top worker wasting attack on enemy i am killing right afterwards so it moves forward and reveal molotovpult so it dies in time for Vendela S2 running out otherwise everyone who is not Vendela S2 fucking die

Good old times of doing hard shit for no reason

[mighty pagoda]

also i read it exists only after i finished it anyway

[sterile delta]

also she just doesnt do much in is5, you need hand of buckler and run tacfort

[thick sphinx]

Is that the risk in adverse?

[sterile delta]

shes extremely strong in every squad in every other IS so i think you just got unlucky

[thick sphinx]

If so i didn't know

[mighty pagoda]

maybe

i can try getting her in is6 then

[fringe solstice]

well raidian takes my support tickets first in IS6 so I find Ange is good if you get too many support tickets

[thick sphinx]

-# Ch 16 music is crazy good for some reason

[tall sierra]

Only the 1st half

2nd half is... I dunno

[sterile delta]

angelina is typically a secondary or tertiary supp draft yea

[thick sphinx]

I started laughing when the girl singing started moaning or sm in 16 16 😂

It's was funny but cool at the same time

[mighty pagoda]

i mostly dont take anyone except for raidian

so i can try angelina i guess

[thick sphinx]

What does angelina do again?

[mighty pagoda]

levitation

[sterile delta]

just depends on your voucher economy and hope curve

[thick sphinx]

Idk, only ever got her from a voucher in IS4

[thick sphinx]

Haruka does it too no?

[sterile delta]

you draft with your endings in mind

[mighty pagoda]

she has is module

[sterile delta]

haruka levitation is a joke

[thick sphinx]

Hmmm

[mighty pagoda]

it deals good damage if enemy is levitated

[thick sphinx]

I mean, it's like a panic button, and relic scaling dmg is crazy

[sterile delta]

angelina perma ccs 5 enemies for 25 seconds every 25 seconds and does really higj arts damage

[thick sphinx]

[mighty pagoda]

ye if they are not immune

[thick sphinx]

Yea shes better

[fringe solstice]

Ange is better in IS3 I think if I'm going for a weedy push ending 4 boss

[thick sphinx]

Lol

[sterile delta]

see the issue is that haruka is taken on like

the 8th or 9th supp ticket

which doesnt exist

[thick sphinx]

I don't have so many supports so she is my first

[fringe solstice]

for some reason all the endings in IS3 have holes

[sterile delta]

ange + weedy can hole every boss in is3 and is still the besr solve for ooc

[mighty pagoda]

but from what i see she can even levitate talisman and shards so should be good

[sterile delta]

ange + ambusher duos is6 ed2 left lane

[thick sphinx]

It's to release the pent up cancer in our operators from the pain and suffering in Degeneratiom

[mighty pagoda]

thank god i am finished with ed2

[sterile delta]

she also solves half the stage in is4 usually

[thick sphinx]

[mighty pagoda]

will never play it again

[thick sphinx]

Knight?

[thick sphinx]

Lol

[sterile delta]

the foot

[fringe solstice]

my issue is the ending is so hard to get

[mighty pagoda]

that too

[sterile delta]

tlk is a joke with all the options we have nowadays

[thick sphinx]

I didn't touch IS6 yet
Need to finish IS3.

[mighty pagoda]

but the stage is pretty cancer too

i dont think i struggled with any other is boss that much

[thick sphinx]

Hey, the sanity potions expire in 30 days, but the crates in the unlimited section of the shop don't expire?

[fringe solstice]

I had an insane draft but nope here's ending 1

[thick sphinx]

Kay

[sterile delta]

me when im highrolling is5 and fail the ed5 encounter four times in a row 🚮

[fringe solstice]

I wonder if end2 is easier to get with the new expansion

[sterile delta]

new expansion is easier yea

[mighty pagoda]

you mean like today new?

[sterile delta]

dlc2 is gonna be an interesting experience tho

[fringe solstice]

ye

[thick sphinx]

I heard that I can finish the whole battle pass in one run

That why I'm holding off doing IS 6 rn

[mighty pagoda]

how is that

[thick sphinx]

People in IS station were talking abt it

Idk

[fringe solstice]

I don't think that is possible I get like 2-3 levels per run depending on how good it is

[mighty pagoda]

maybe you need to abuse something idk

[thick sphinx]

Yea, but ppl saying u can finish it all on d0

Even idk how to do meh

[sterile delta]

thats not possible in one run

[thick sphinx]

Yea prolly

[sterile delta]

but you can guarantee ling loop

on d11 and below

[thick sphinx]

[thick sphinx]

Hmm

[sterile delta]

so its a free win

[mighty pagoda]

how is that

[cinder vector]

bros gonna be there for like 100 days just getting 100 million water boiler so u get that relic point at ending to fill up battlepass in one go?

[sterile delta]

but you'll still have to do like 40 runs

[mighty pagoda]

is her encounter guarantied now?

[fringe solstice]

oh the kettle loop

[cinder vector]

[fringe solstice]

ig it is possible

[cinder vector]

each relic is like 10 point at ending or something

[thick sphinx]

💀

[cinder vector]

and 10 point is like... what, 1 battlepass exp?

[thick sphinx]

😭

[hasty minnow]

Holy conversion

[thick sphinx]

[cinder vector]

its doable ig

[mighty pagoda]

relic is 5 pints tho

[cinder vector]

right

so 200 kettle for one level

[hallow girder]

Any tips on 16-16? Im having trouble DPSing boss before he can walk to the loss point. I thought Sakiko s3 would be enough, but may im not timing it right.

[mighty pagoda]

surely worth

[cinder vector]

you need like 20000 for one run 100 level?

[thick sphinx]

Which map

The first map or second

[mighty pagoda]

i used leizi

[hallow girder]

First

[hasty minnow]

Exualt would probably also work

[green crater]

Exualt

[hallow girder]

sadly dont have 🙁

[green crater]

kills her in like

20 ammo

support

[glass monolith]

With power of being Vendela S2 shill I achieved this questionable achievement

[mighty pagoda]

also you can slow her

[tall sierra]

The boss? Isnt she slow already which u have plenty of time to kill her

[mighty pagoda]

if its an issue you can slow even more

[cinder vector]

me when the band members finally got rid of their questionable leader

[sterile delta]

flower squad

get a bunch of flower coins

spam reroll

win

only works consistently on d11 and below

cuz d12 increases coupon cost for refresh

[mighty pagoda]

i know how it works but you cant guarantee ling shop

its pretty rare

[thick sphinx]

[glass monolith]

"Let me solo everyone" - S1 Umiri in fever

[thick sphinx]

[glass monolith]

And it is desynced auto, in OG Umiri just took down last 2 bears and i was like "Sorry, where are bears?"

Can't even take 2 bears on walk in Ursus without some isekaied girl taking them down

[thick sphinx]

LMFAO

Tbh ursus crazy af

[elder flume]

https://youtu.be/w4YAyMQyjIk?si=esOp3d_q7ceM1fzK

Lapp2less run hurts

Tho with Lapp2 might still need Texas2 so CS doesnt target other mobs

[lime talon]

i need help with 16-16 cuz goddamn those artillery are bullsht to the highest grade yet

[cinder vector]

congrats on passing 16-12 ig

[lime talon]

i already passed it

[cinder vector]

thats why im congratulating you

[lime talon]

i just needed knowledge fto 3 star it

anyway mind helping me wit h yet anohter great stage HG manahed to cook that is th 16-16 stage

cuz fck them artillery

worst designed ennemy ive seen

[glass monolith]

What do you mean more artillery, i just beat 16-15

[lime talon]

3 spawn at the same time in the stage right before the boss

and said boss has the inviscloud surounding them

[glass monolith]

Understood, ATK stacking Vendela now

[lime talon]

and now a litteral STAGE CHANGE WITH A PHASE CHANGE

[cinder vector]

so uh

who do u like

[sacred edge]

uhm

16-12

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

[glass monolith]

Meet most favorite stage of game for at least next 6 months

[sacred edge]

bro is this even possible

[lime lantern]

is that the bear

[sacred edge]

yes

[lime lantern]

idk cuora tanks it

[sacred edge]

e1 cuora work ?

[lime lantern]

go try

[hidden axle]

And the new showcase standard for tanky operators, just like how patriot os used gor every boss killer

Ngl I am so used to not using bricks that I borrowed tragodia instead of thinking about usinh one trag+doro go brrr

[full sluice]

i had to use someone with 800 def and surtr and gravel lol, but i get why ppl are meme'ing on the fight if you dont do that the boss is insane

[lime lantern]

800 def isnt that much

[full sluice]

sure but considering my roster's highest is 600

[sacred edge]

didnt work

[full sluice]

[sacred edge]

😭

[lime lantern]

you can also exu2 + mr nothing

permastun him

[full sluice]

dont have exu either

[hidden axle]

Borrow

[full sluice]

I already beat it I'm just saying I had to borrow

[hidden axle]

I confused you with the other guy mb

[lime lantern]

i havent actually done the stage myself

meh hoshi2 probably fine

[hidden axle]

Doubt, she would dip into red hp soon

[lime lantern]

thats where my super useful beautiful mantra waifu comes into play with para 🔥

[hidden axle]

[river atlas]

How r so many ppl having issues with the bear

[lime lantern]

its an iq check

[hidden axle]

Ppl struggled with ss-5 with maxed out wis

Ppl dont read

[mighty pagoda]

you need to read to beat it?

[hidden axle]

Ppl's first intinct when they cant braindead it is to ask for help

[hidden axle]

I am stating the issues with other ppl, tho ofc reading can help too

[lime lantern]

hey i mean

[hidden axle]

I am sure good brick+medix can help tank

[lime lantern]

mantragodia both on s3 doesnt do terrible dmg

like its workable

[mighty pagoda]

hoshi can tank it

[hidden axle]

I used trag and doro both with s2

[river atlas]

i didnt even read, i just threw bodies at it until the bar ran out the first time

[hidden axle]

[lime lantern]

howd you deal with the rocks

[hidden axle]

My dumbass forgot bricks exist

[river atlas]

More bodies

[lime lantern]

nvm hoshi only has 572 def

lol

[mighty pagoda]

i mean old hoshi not new one

[lime lantern]

anyone have mr nothing

[river atlas]

Absolute slaughterfest, that bear had a triple digit killcount my first clear before i went and read what it did for simulation

[hidden axle]

Bait, also dipped the bear to threshold to run away so didnt need to bait for a long time

[river atlas]

And then i went back and killed it with jaye + cuora

[lime lantern]

alright whatever lets do it

[hidden axle]

Actually mlynar took a hit, could have perma-baited with him by giving him a medic

[mighty pagoda]

ulpi on skill can also tank it

[lime lantern]

ah right i have mlynar

Lmao!

brain off

man ch16 music slaps

fuck why does it move so fast

[river atlas]

Im assuming the bear counts as an infected creature, cuz jaye was doing abnormally high dmg

[mighty pagoda]

ines/ambusher helps

[hidden axle]

Thats how silvergun did it with 4 stars iirc, then also did it with 3 stars and below

[hidden axle]

Lore does say so

[lime lantern]

ok wait let me readwhat it do

[hidden axle]

Akshually Imma waste sanity to redo the stage shrinply to remove the non auto-able status

[mighty pagoda]

not stonks

[hidden axle]

Welp we got someone who's reading now

[mighty pagoda]

i mean i did read if it does arts or physical

[hidden axle]

Strategic simulation for that stage makes no difference whatsoever asw free score

[mighty pagoda]

ye if you dont take att buff

[hidden axle]

Erm

I did that

Atl buff and caster/defender ban

[mighty pagoda]

if you use stun strat its fine

[hidden axle]

Welp my strat was tragodia and dorothy

[river atlas]

Isnt it sniper/caster ban

[lime lantern]

so i basically have to kill him really fast

to make him lose bar

[mighty pagoda]

but if you tank it there is a difference

[lime lantern]

[hidden axle]

Sniper is the other choice

[river atlas]

Other choice was defender + medics i thought

[thick sphinx]

That's waay to high end tho

[thick sphinx]

Bait the bear 🐻

[hidden axle]

Yeah the risks dont fuck up your strat unless you want to

[compact cedar]

is H16-1 accessible now

[mighty pagoda]

you can tank it with e2 cuora probably tbh

[thick sphinx]

I'm pretty sure they will be accessible after a week

[compact cedar]

oh alright, cuz i cleared everything and it still didnt appear

[thick sphinx]

Go grind some IS sm

[thick sphinx]

Yeaz I had the same problem an hr ago

[hidden axle]

Smh I ran out of sanity

And cant play for a while asw

[mighty pagoda]

should have saved sanity

[hidden axle]

Tomorrow it is

[thick sphinx]

Lol

[mighty pagoda]

i still have like 3 packs and cake pack

[thick sphinx]

Didn't we have like a weekly mission like a few days ago

[hidden axle]

I used up cake pack too

[thick sphinx]

I have a cake pack left, and 20 emergency boosters

[thick sphinx]

Bruuuuh

[hidden axle]

I used them up to clear anni faster

[thick sphinx]

[mighty pagoda]

oh right there is energy in shop too

you can buy that

[lime lantern]

yo bro come back

[thick sphinx]

Hmmm

[lime lantern]

[thick sphinx]

LMAO

[lime lantern]

bro why he ignore my bait

[hidden axle]

Dont judge me I had exams I had to make the most of my post-exam indeoendence

[hidden axle]

Needs to hit bear to bait

[thick sphinx]

U need to place an operator 1 tile away from the tile the bear is on, or else he doesn't fall for bait.

Use some dps for the hit

[hidden axle]

Or just use cheap snipers

[mighty pagoda]

you need op to damage it

[thick sphinx]

Exu or wisadel

Kroos?

Either work

[hidden axle]

I brought may kroos vermeil

April asw

[thick sphinx]

I brought wisadel
-# and like half my 3 star population

[mighty pagoda]

actually i used ascalon and she dodges like 15 hits in a row

[hidden axle]

Wow

[thick sphinx]

[hidden axle]

Bro used up all his salter luck

[thick sphinx]

Whoa

[hidden axle]

Rip gotta hit 300 now

[thick sphinx]

U saving till 300m

[mighty pagoda]

i dont really want him tbh

[thick sphinx]

?

[mighty pagoda]

i will pull for prama

[hidden axle]

[thick sphinx]

I'm pulling for wisadel

[broken idol]

Can you pass 16-12 with 2 stars without doing nothing?

[thick sphinx]

[hidden axle]

Bear takes up all 3

Besides why waste sanity with a 2 star clear anyways

[hidden axle]

Oh wow

[broken idol]

Idk how I did it lmao

[thick sphinx]

Lolllll

How 😭

[hidden axle]

Sanity wasted tho

[broken idol]

I just lured him with 2 snipers

[thick sphinx]

Wait, did the bear go in once he was in second phase?

Then maybe

[thick sphinx]

Ohhh

This is standard environment???

Not adverse?

[hidden axle]

I wonder if you can glitch him to move back and forth with 2 ranged ops

wouod be funny

[thick sphinx]

You guys don't play on adverse??

[glass monolith]

Imagine if he leaked soldier by baiting bear at start

[broken idol]

Ohhh yeah, didn’t check

[thick sphinx]

[broken idol]

[mighty pagoda]

it takes 2 hp i guess

[thick sphinx]

If it's standard then it's possible

Adverse u only get 1 life point

[hidden axle]

Worth testing ngl

[broken idol]

Yeah, I just noticed it lmao

[thick sphinx]

You can

I mean, ling summons

[thick sphinx]

Hmm

[broken idol]

Playing dirty on him

[thick sphinx]

[hidden axle]

Whats specjal about her summons to bully him

[elder flume]

Trag S1 is perma stall iirc

[broken idol]

Same damage from both ends perhaps?

[thick sphinx]

The ranged ones

6dp and her skill deal DAMAGE

Pair her with exia or wis and very fast clear

Only 2 ops

[hidden axle]

Hows that any different from any 2 ranged ops

[thick sphinx]

It's high end

[mighty pagoda]

any 2 ranged cant tank him

[thick sphinx]

Long has summons bro

The s2

6 dp summons

You can play with his aggro mechanic

Is the best a he?
-# hmmmm

[mighty pagoda]

ye i know, any 2 ranged ops have long ass redeploy

[thick sphinx]

And ur fucked, cuz the bear leaves so fucking quick 😭

[lime lantern]

i feel like im missing bai

t

[broken idol]

Does rope deal damage with her pull?

[thick sphinx]

Ping him,
-# bait him
Bait the bait

[lime lantern]

time to pull out kichisei

[mighty pagoda]

she does hit with the skill

[lime lantern]

🔥

[thick sphinx]

Lol

[mighty pagoda]

you would need module to deal damage during the pull itself

[lime lantern]

raidian would be so good here if her summons cost less

[broken idol]

What if the damage you deal from the other place is higher? Eternal lure play

[thick sphinx]

If u somehow get dp

Haruka leveitate

[mighty pagoda]

he has 7 weight

[thick sphinx]

Plus gladia pull

[broken idol]

Rip

[thick sphinx]

It will work

[thick sphinx]

might

[mighty pagoda]

how is levitate even important here

also not with 7 weight

[thick sphinx]

Reduces wt

[mighty pagoda]

it doesnt

[thick sphinx]

Oh wait, shit, I'm talking abt IS

Fuck.

[mighty pagoda]

in is it also doesnt

levitate is cc mechanic

[thick sphinx]

Hmm?
There's a relic which reduces wt when mobs are levitated

Haruka s3 levitates

[lime lantern]

🧠 ❌

[thick sphinx]

[mighty pagoda]

well relic does not levitate itself

[thick sphinx]

Yea, just saying that relic helps buff effect

[mighty pagoda]

you can use weightless but with 7 weight it will not help

[thick sphinx]

Hmm alr

[lime lantern]

yeah mon3tr and hoshi tank him just fine

[thick sphinx]

new info stored to cranium

[lime lantern]

didnt even dip into red bar

just need to set it up first with bait

weird thing tho mlynar doesnt take the rock bait over hoshi

[mighty pagoda]

same as priority of operators ignore taunt i guess

[hidden axle]

Think its last attacked

[mighty pagoda]

prioritizing operators who have already dealt damage to the target

oh and yes he is infected

[limpid ore]

weight above 3 just reduce the duration by half

for levitate

[mighty pagoda]

ye

but for haruka i dont think its very important

[limpid ore]

unless the duration goes below 0.5 second in which it will be null, it doesnt really matter either way

and angelina just doesnt care with her IS module

since she attacks fast enough

[glass monolith]

[broken idol]

Probably I can’t pass through it in adverse mostly because I don’t have good operators

[hidden axle]

Shrimply watch a ghide on yt

Silvergun did it with 3 stars and below

[elder flume]

Just borrow Shining modx if you need to

As long as you hit 1400 def off skill it does nothing

[hidden axle]

Wow shining usecase, time to release her feom ep jail 🔥

[elder flume]

For adverse2 its 1700 def

[hidden axle]

Imma go back to tragothy

[vocal leaf]

people were lying when they said no one can tank the bear

[lime lantern]

or

you can just stun it

[glass monolith]

They didn't because they definetly used 2 operators

[lime lantern]

also doesnt wisadel solo the bear

[mighty pagoda]

she does?

[lime lantern]

she does yeah

[wicked minnow]

huh, i didnt realize this before but czerny reflect and tequilla reflect function differently at least to some degree

[vocal leaf]

i use miksa to stall and wait to deploy the other ops, but this seems to be only his first appearance

[mighty pagoda]

how differently

[scarlet fulcrum]

The last 2 ending items actually on mission, i forgor

[vocal leaf]

and that’s with the atk buff

[limpid ore]

different algorithm

[wicked minnow]

they trigger in different ways. the mortars from this episode dont take damage from czerny reflect but they do from tequilla

unironically killing them with tequilla reflect isnt a bad idea

[mighty pagoda]

RES +10. Deals 80% of Czerny's ATK as Arts damage to the attacker whenever Czerny receives Arts attacks

ofc they dont

do they even do arts?

[wicked minnow]

uhhh

good question

[limpid ore]

smh, reading is stopped working

[mighty pagoda]

i dont think that floor they make is considered attack

[wicked minnow]

naaa you cant tell me the fire does physical damage

[limpid ore]

well, it can be true damage

[mighty pagoda]

ye that too

[wicked minnow]

Attacks leave behind a burning area over a radius of 1.5 upon impact that lasts for 3 seconds and deals 100 Arts damage every second (stacks).

it's arts damage

according to wiki

ill check prts just in case

[limpid ore]

well, is it sourced damage

[scarlet fulcrum]

L

[limpid ore]

you cant reflect unsourced damage

[wicked minnow]

tequilla works against them

i would imagine it is sourced

可叠加，伤害来源为集团军重型火炮

chinese

[mighty pagoda]

works against the burn?

[wicked minnow]

google translating the text from prts says it's sourced

ye

[mighty pagoda]

or against the original hit

[wicked minnow]

all hits

even the burn

[mighty pagoda]

idk then, tequila one also says attacks

[limpid ore]

taking damage vs taking attack might be very different

[broken idol]

It was just that I needed more dp 😭

[mighty pagoda]

there is no taking damage

both say attacks

[elder flume]

Its phys bullet into arts fire

Then again its HG

[limpid ore]

it's like how relic and coin with when dealing damage and when attacking works different

[mighty pagoda]

dealing damage and attacking is different

but here both say attack

RES +10. Deals 80% of Czerny's ATK as Arts damage to the attacker whenever Czerny receives Arts attacks

When skill is inactive, deal 20% of Tequila's ATK as Arts damage to the attacker when Tequila is attacked

[limpid ore]

but then again yostar translation is wonky

[mighty pagoda]

i guess i can check prts

[wicked minnow]

if i place tequilla and a unit behind him it dies after shooting 4 times

[elder flume]

Czerny only handles normal hits

Dot doesnt count

[glass monolith]

add Vendela S2

[wicked minnow]

this is my first time unironically using tequilla reflect

[mighty pagoda]

i mean if it works on dot its pretty good

does mlynar also work on dot?

[wicked minnow]

i think it was only ever a consideration after he got his mod

pre-mod, tequilla reflect just was kinda ass

now it's almost usable

[mighty pagoda]

oh actually its written on prts

※This talent can only be triggered by normal/splash attacks.

[wicked minnow]

well it has a use just very niche

[limpid ore]

czerny reflect is to ... surrounding?

[mighty pagoda]

so will mlynar also work?

[limpid ore]

well, is enemy attacking czerny within his reflect range?

[wicked minnow]

czerny can reflect to units outside his range

[mighty pagoda]

does reflect even have range?

[wicked minnow]

the reflect is from the talent

[elder flume]

Some reflect has range 🤫

[wicked minnow]

prts specifies this ye

[wicked minnow]

[mighty pagoda]

like what

[elder flume]

We dont talk about Thorns S2

Even Miksa is range

[wicked minnow]

range as in the range of the skill?

[mighty pagoda]

miksa is not even reflect

[wicked minnow]

i wouldnt personally even consider miksa as reflect

[mighty pagoda]

and it specifies that its in range

[glass monolith]

makes me think of Path of Exile where "melee" abilities sometimes outrange "ranged"

[mighty pagoda]

i still dont know what reflect has range?

[mighty pagoda]

in warframe there are ranged melee weapons

[wicked minnow]

my ranged melee weapon has a bigger aoe than most ranged weapons in the game

like period

bigger aoe than 99% of the weapons

[mighty pagoda]

like there is a melee weapon that shoots bullets

but it doesnt use ammunition

[wicked minnow]

the corufell shoots massive ass plasma orbs 🥹

[mighty pagoda]

but anyway, i dont know any reflect sources that have range

[limpid ore]

any game with gunblade

[mighty pagoda]

ye, there are explosive boomerangs and stuff like that too

[limpid ore]

or just god eater 2 with variable scythe

[mighty pagoda]

i only played 3 tbh

[thick sphinx]

Warframe melee weapon are better than ranged.
You literally are the ranged weapon, movement is crazy

[mighty pagoda]

true

[thick sphinx]

[limpid ore]

3 should have all weapon from previous titles

except the bow from that one weird spin-off strategy rpg of god eater

[lime lantern]

MY PC

[glass monolith]

Now imagine it with DLSS 5

[lime lantern]

12 fps 😭

[glass monolith]

Go to hell my phone drops to 0 on normal stages (i blame smoke)

[lime lantern]

bruh

i couldve killed all the enemies with 3 more seconds

the miners were stalling them too much 🙃

[limpid ore]

chapter 16 feels extra laggy for no reason

probably because the toxic fumes are checked individually for each tile

[lime lantern]

it was just this staeg specifically for me that lagged

cause ten trillion enemies

[scarlet fulcrum]

My potato device run just fine

[unique grove]

how does 16-12 work

how are you supposed to kill that thing

[mighty pagoda]

with damage

[unique grove]

adverse

i have no dp

are you even supposed to block it

[scarlet fulcrum]

I heard someone did it with 3* and below

[river atlas]

cuora can block it just fine

[scarlet fulcrum]

cant really check it tho, ass internet rn

[limpid ore]

i remember beagle blocked it just fine

[river atlas]

it's been done with 3* only yes, but that's not really useful given the like half an hour it took doing minimum dmg

[scarlet fulcrum]

not that part that they worry about

[river atlas]

more reasonably, u can do it with 4*s in a few minutes thru the amazing power of "putting a defender and a healer down"

[wicked minnow]

the healer being jaye in this situation

also dps cuz his talent is busted against infected creatures

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea ofc the minimum dmg part u re not copy pasta it 🍿

[mighty pagoda]

you need to either have bagpipe or some cheap ranged ops to bait it

slow also works

[limpid ore]

or do minimum dmg but faster

[mighty pagoda]

ascalon gives you tons of dp so you can use that if you have

[river atlas]

...ascalon gives dp?

[limpid ore]

since when ascalon becomes vanguard?

[mighty pagoda]

gives time to get dp

i used vanguard skill like 2 times while bear was trying to reach her

[glass monolith]

What vanguard? - Molotovtiery

[mighty pagoda]

myrtle

[scarlet fulcrum]

rarity abuse like usual

[mighty pagoda]

baiting with kroos works too

just buys less time

[dire raven]

Use this cool video as guide https://youtu.be/lNRWebLK6tA?si=-Hi9fs3Qngb8Ygk-

I got the general idea and added my 6 stars and such

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh thanks for the link, i just read msgs mentioned it b4

[dire raven]

Yeah I saw it like a month ago then remembered

[scarlet fulcrum]

Barely can load any shit tbh, traffic just Hillarious this week. Ch16 updates feel like a year

[mighty pagoda]

slow supporters is pretty good i guess

[dire raven]

Very

Podenco

[mighty pagoda]

they are cheap and slow the boss

[dire raven]

Also rope is kinda nice given her long range

If the boss is slipping away from your desired area

[mighty pagoda]

ye i used gladia for that in my clear

i didnt even have to change squad kekw

she can even tank 2 hits

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah, still cant load it

[dire raven]

I had to change more than half of mine 😭

[scarlet fulcrum]

🚮 f

[dire raven]

Still managed to squeeze in my glorious queen beanstalk

Myrtle would probably be better

[river atlas]

wdym squeeze in

[dire raven]

Beanstalk with skill and the crab can tank a few hits, I forgot if 4 or 2

[river atlas]

beanstalk's one of the best options

[mighty pagoda]

i just use myrtle everywhere

[dire raven]

Yeah i did realize

[mighty pagoda]

is the crab that much tanky

[dire raven]

She helped defend the supporter i was using to stall

[river atlas]

she spawns 5 crabs if u deploy it on an intersection

[mighty pagoda]

oh i see

never really used her

[dire raven]

I did think of that but didn't dare try

How would that go

[river atlas]

pair w gravel and it just takes the bear a decent chunk of time to slaughter its way thru everyone

[dire raven]

Amazing to hear

[mighty pagoda]

how much hits can gravel tank

[dire raven]

Beanstalk carrying as always

[dire raven]

Less than beanstalk of course

[mighty pagoda]

ye but she can take 1 hit right?

[river atlas]

idk let's check

[dire raven]

I was using E1 lvl 7 skill and yeah

Wait

I don't recall for sure

[river atlas]

my gravel can tank 5 hits before getting obliterated

[dire raven]

Geez

[river atlas]

i should get her module

[dire raven]

E2 is that worth

Still got a bunch of stuff that I gotta upgrade

[mighty pagoda]

ye idk, surely its not worth

i have texas anyway, she probably fine for the bear too

[daring escarp]

Does nymph work for 16-12?

[limpid ore]

fear immune

[lime lantern]

just use ling s2

or you can facetank it with haruka hoshi

[daring escarp]

I dont have ines in friends

Im gonna hyperspeed degen

Bruh it attacks from afar is an ability

[mighty pagoda]

you dont need skill levels on ines

just borrow random one

[plucky flint]

can you bypass phase 2 of bear? like killing it before it returns

[river atlas]

no

it goes invuln at 20%

[plucky flint]

[tender orbit]

What if I 1 tap it from 21%

[mighty pagoda]

can you tho

[plucky flint]

interesting

lemme try after I get some sleep

[daring escarp]

But can you do this

[mighty pagoda]

its 30k damage

doubt you can

[plucky flint]

pretty easy for lemon

[limpid ore]

in single hit?

[plucky flint]

buff squad s2

[tender orbit]

-# Eben hyperbuff army

[mighty pagoda]

does eben even counts as 1 hit?

[river atlas]

the wiki claims rock throw can be silenced but it's not listed as silenceable ingame

mystic casters are multihit

[mighty pagoda]

will probably not work then

[river atlas]

we actually had a conversation about this a few days ago for a different oneshot theorycraft, idr on specifically which enemy off the top of my head though

[mighty pagoda]

like some boss with immunity too?

or just oneshot

[plucky flint]

I mean, lemon can do this to pat phase 1

[river atlas]

to bypass a phase immunity for some boss yeah, and eben was specifically brought up and tested

[plucky flint]

so most likely it'll be the same for the bear

[mighty pagoda]

they use mine tho

[plucky flint]

still, buff army can

[mighty pagoda]

or is it def reduction, i honestly cant tell

[plucky flint]

anyways, I'll try later, out of sanity irl

[mighty pagoda]

ye it is mine i think

[limpid ore]

huh

this bear isnt stun immune?

[mighty pagoda]

ye

only fear and sleep immune

other stuff works

[daring escarp]

Silence and frighten dont work on bear too damn

[mighty pagoda]

didnt someone say that stone is blocked by silence?

[limpid ore]

well, frighten does jackshit if you dont block the affected target

[daring escarp]

Even if i block it hits

[limpid ore]

it has ranged ability still

[daring escarp]

[mighty pagoda]

well ye frighten doesnt block abilities

what if you also silence?

[limpid ore]

the prts wiki doesnt mention it can be silenced

[mighty pagoda]

it doesnt mention it cant too

it should be marked ingame i think

its not marked, so someone probably lied

[limpid ore]

but then you have silenceable abilities that arent marked like sarkaz dead fart

[mighty pagoda]

maybe on death effects are not marked

[limpid ore]

but spider slug on death effects are marked

[mighty pagoda]

flamethrower is also marked

[limpid ore]

[mighty pagoda]

idk then

[daring escarp]

ELYSIUM AND TRIPLE SNIPERS LOL

[mighty pagoda]

now we gaming

[daring escarp]

It makes pretty stable phase 1, and then haruka+mon3tr s2+hoshi2 s3+deact stalling until phase 2, and then place hoshi again and place lappy behind to negate stun

[mighty pagoda]

so it can be silenced?

[daring escarp]

It was like that for me

[daring escarp]

Ye it can be

[mighty pagoda]

game description lies again

[daring escarp]

Rocks can be silenced

Other no

Since it related to phases/forms

[mighty pagoda]

ye i got that

time for bobbing paradox

[daring escarp]

I think its possible to inf stall phase 1 with snipers if i had more snipers ngl

[mighty pagoda]

you dont have enough?

also arnt slow supporters better?

[daring escarp]

Can be

Cuz i was preparing shit at the end

So i had more than enough dp

Except 1 problem is that the boss throwing rock right at the haruka

[unique grove]

16-12 adverse

why is it throwing a rock at haruka and not gravel and how do i avoid this

[daring escarp]

Can be shit on h16-4 or higher atk on bear

[mighty pagoda]

it targets character that damaged him

[daring escarp]

Ye

[unique grove]

nothing to be done about it then i guess

[daring escarp]

Haruka was first after your blocker died

[mighty pagoda]

(you can read boss description)

[daring escarp]

So it prioritizes first who damaged

[mighty pagoda]

i am not sure that how it works with stone

[daring escarp]

I'm gonna try strategic sim on 16-12 gl

[daring escarp]

Stone prioritizes highest dmg right

[mighty pagoda]

ye thats what game says

prts has different description for some reason

[daring escarp]

So secondary dps is necessary to tank the stone hmm

[mighty pagoda]

or just someone who can take 1 hit

[daring escarp]

https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Rampaging_Abnormal_Manglerbeast

[unique grove]

i had blaze and sakiko doubled up

sakiko almost lived

unlucky

[mighty pagoda]

ye wiki has same as ingame

when i used ulpi it just targeted him

[daring escarp]

I think the idea with ray s3 works

[mighty pagoda]

anyway if you can silence the rock its pretty ez

[daring escarp]

Theoretically mayer s1 can solo that stage

:troll :

[mighty pagoda]

with insane level of cope

[daring escarp]

Fuxk i gotta raise myrtle

[mighty pagoda]

at this point you can use mod y ascalon

[daring escarp]

Nooo i cant cope with e0lvl1 myrtle anymore

[mighty pagoda]

imagine not having e2 myrtle

[daring escarp]

Wtf raidian s1 can stall infinitely during phase 2

During skill at least

[mighty pagoda]

m3?

[daring escarp]

Ye

But it deals no dmg

Its just to stall rage phase

[void terrace]

Cuora or better yet nian can just face tank the mangler beast with little effort

[vocal leaf]

miksa is the best one

it’s infinite skill facing blue box

[daring escarp]

I'm trying the lowest investment i can think of

Ely can be e1, lappy better be e2, so everyone can be e1, defender may be with better def stat or module(like mine)

Surfer can be e1 too

[river atlas]

if u wanna be even lower investment, bring 2* yato and alternate with gravel

[void terrace]

Hmmm

Just wondering but what if you cycled phantom and mantra s3s to have 100% uptime on paralysis

Like if you have a simple blocker with some version of powerstrike, mantra s3 bypasses the need for paralysis elemental damage

Letting you spam paralysis stacks for the full duration of the skill

[daring escarp]

Not really

[void terrace]

Of you can activate it fast enough

It might be possible to use her s3 defensively instead of offensively

Turning an offense recovery skill into a permnang paralysis lock for the enemy

Just a thought

[daring escarp]

It gives to random enemy tho

[void terrace]

Her offense is a bit lackluster outside of groups

If there are groups they all die to burst damage anywY

[daring escarp]

Everything can be inf stall if you really want to do it

[void terrace]

This is more when the waves are done and there is like a boss left

[daring escarp]

Higher hp can say to that no

[void terrace]

Idk her s3 was fun but it feels like Reed s3 where it's only good with large crowds

[void terrace]

True but then there will be an offensive use to her skill

It feels really bad to use against low target count

[daring escarp]

I mean high end content her s3 does little to no dmg or no NI procs

[void terrace]

Like I actually am preferring blaze2 for her short cool down and consistency

[void terrace]

Ikr

If only she actually fired a bolt instead of only making bolts bounce

I thought she would fire 1 bolt per stack over the limit before it bounced

Is her s1 any good

It honestly seems like a decent offense recovery skill for is

[river atlas]

idk enough about IS to say about it being good or not but its funny

its really easy to ramp a 2 SP offensive recovery off into infinity for shenanigans

[void terrace]

I mean I use trag a lot

So just pairing the two would get some more consistent value than yu blaze

[mighty pagoda]

oh her s1 is offensive, good for aspd tower

[void terrace]

Archeto things

[river atlas]

not just archetto

[void terrace]

I haven't had a good Caster pick in is for a while

Logos feels too defenceless

[river atlas]

aspd relics and offense SP recovery relics too

[mighty pagoda]

i mostly take lapp2 in is

[void terrace]

Mantra might be able to inflict enough paralysis to magter

[void terrace]

I find her cool downs inhibitive

[void terrace]

Yeah

[mighty pagoda]

you can get some recovery relics

[void terrace]

I've mostly been using wis core

[mighty pagoda]

wis too boring

[void terrace]

For max difficulty

Still haven't cleared ed5 is5 on n18 yet

Pisses me off

Always die on the amiya stage

Never have enough shields even if I stall the boss long enough

[sterile delta]

have you read the bait guide

[mighty pagoda]

i should try it too some day

[void terrace]

Wat

I don't think so

[sterile delta]

https://is-central.github.io/is5-sarkaz/sniper-med-rosmontis/

[void terrace]

Like the bouncing of balls to keep the bosses spawning?

[sterile delta]

this is for 245 wis ban, playing 135 with wis is much easier so adapt the stuff for your needs

mantra is used in is3 but you just use sash2 to proc her paralysis

[void terrace]

Damn that useful

Thanks

[void terrace]

Ah

Is her s1 worth mastering?

[sterile delta]

nah

i think her s3 is the one that will be applied in advanced content

[royal hamlet]

Ngl, Bear's funny.

[wet tangle]

bear is a joke

it's funny how much civilight trivializes him

[daring escarp]

True

E1 4☆ ops lol

Some are e0

Only lappland is e2lvl1 just for the talent

[exotic grove]

people are struggling with bear?

[daring escarp]

Some maybe, its just learning through

There's no low-end guide tho

[exotic grove]

oh I see
it did take some learning

[sly drift]

I guess 16-7 is the first wutdahell stage on this chapter

Gotta take Ethan in case there's no civilian to block the white mob

[tall sierra]

Cleared 16-16 for now

Not having ines really make it hard to setup a good team lol

[plucky flint]

anyone got aak real quick? Last aak post in friend ID is a month ago

[vocal leaf]

i do, it’s m6 tho

[plucky flint]

as long as s3m3

[vocal leaf]

yup

[plucky flint]

Exus#3092 or you can drop yours too

[tall sierra]

Phase 2 can SA and jessalter see boss in smokes?

[mental venture]

what do you even do here
you just get "fuck you"ed by 10 fucking cloakers

[mighty pagoda]

ascalon should solo them

[plucky flint]

kill the enemies in the middle and hold your position while healing

[mental venture]

does exu have to be on corner duty

[vocal leaf]

yes, they work

[mental venture]

you get fucked by cloakers being fast

[mighty pagoda]

thats why she is good by slowing them

but i guess your e1 is not good enough

[mental venture]

cant even get a better one

[mighty pagoda]

you can farm some, idk if the stage is open today

this event is good for farming whatever because you get mats in every stage

also use your drones

[daring escarp]

They should, mine does see through smokes but you cant place in smoke

[daring escarp]

You've spent all of the IS monthly squads chips? Damn

[exotic grove]

does lappy need that 5s silence for this strat to work?

[daring escarp]

Havent tested that, but i know that lappy needs aspd for 100% silence uptime

On e1

[exotic grove]

ohh dang so maybe that's what's happening
cuora eats bear alive when skill is up but as soon as her skill goes down she gets shredded

[mental venture]

i dont even play IS cant even get shit for fuck to beat t1

[sly drift]

Tinman is just goated on EP 16 bruh. His s2 is not sourced damage so he will just sweep these reflecting slug with no consequence

[daring escarp]

Thats why i got 3 medics

And maxed cuora on e1

[exotic grove]

my medics can't sustain her

I do have e1lv60 cuora yea

[river atlas]

how

[exotic grove]

she dies to two hits

[daring escarp]

Lvl up your medics idk, there's plenty of time to cycle skills

Cuora def is down then use skill healers

Gavial works perfectly to sustain single op

[river atlas]

are you trying to directly tank the bear while its skill is up

[daring escarp]

Idk how is he missing smth cuz i specifically chose my worst built ops

[exotic grove]

do I just need to stall it longer or somethin

[daring escarp]

Also mine are max trust for the stats

[daring escarp]

I stalled it until lappy killed him just add more dps, i can a show vid how to setup

There's 2 slots left to put dps

[noble niche]

Is it plausible to use hoshi2 on the bear? I plop her and she dies too fast for any healers

[daring escarp]

Phase 1 you cant stall with defenders

I tried too many times

[mighty pagoda]

you can with hoshi

[noble niche]

The original right not the alter

[mighty pagoda]

ye

[river atlas]

jaye would like to disagree with u

[noble niche]

So I just have to piss it off with a billion snipers?

[daring escarp]

Blow up

[mighty pagoda]

jaye not defender

[daring escarp]

Not really since i banned snipers in mine

Strat sim

Either get high dph(1k+) or arts dps

[river atlas]

you plop the defender on the bear and then jaye's s2 keeps the tank alive

[daring escarp]

Bear hits 3x3

You need aoe heal then

[mighty pagoda]

haruka also fine, or other healer

[daring escarp]

Haruka sustains solo with a decent defender

[river atlas]

hoshi1 can straight up facetank the bear until u can afford the DP for a medic too but that example is extreme and i do not recommend it to ppl

[daring escarp]

Imma make a lowend video just for that

[vocal leaf]

just use miksa s2 facing blue box

[river atlas]

only phase 2 aoes, no?

[daring escarp]

Ye but phase 1 you just distract

Ely + snipers
Flag + decel binders

[mighty pagoda]

croissant might also work but i dont have her e2

[river atlas]

to be clear, jaye + a defender with no one else can clear the stage

[exotic grove]

well yeah I easily cleared the stage using raidian jessicat and haruka + monmon
but it was too easy

[river atlas]

you don't even need to distract, u just dump them onto the boss and his x1.5 atk renders his healing so high the defender doesn't die

[daring escarp]

Im not doing jaye max lvl to ruin base setup

[river atlas]

anyway

more reasonably for the avg player, a medic + defender works just fine

for the enrage timer u can just bring yato + gravel + a few snipers as insurance to run the clock

yato vg to clarify

[sly drift]

Bruh.. I'm actually so lost

[timid schooner]

fak this bear

[daring escarp]

I mean

[mighty pagoda]

straight up lvl1 ops

[river atlas]

I can't relate, i run gnosis setup

[exotic grove]

ok so this ain’t enough is it

[river atlas]

gravel?

[exotic grove]

he didn’t run gravel

[river atlas]

who is he

[exotic grove]

.

[mighty pagoda]

add some more bodies at least

[exotic grove]

wait are u using earthspirit for initial stall too

I’ve been using orchid podenco beanstalk

[mighty pagoda]

also dont use lvl1 gavial

[river atlas]

do u not have a high lvl medic available