strategy

[teal moon]

but if you want to lower the op count I'm pretty sure you're forced to stick with it in your specific case

and even if you had Ling you'll probably rather use her in another garrison

[narrow pendant]

What are we optimizing again

[teal moon]

honestly, idk

[spice mortar]

waight bibeak might be able to clear instead of blaze

[plucky grove]

true, ling definitely can be used in multiple diff garrisons

[spice mortar]

i dont have her masteries augh

[narrow pendant]

The rat spam stage? Rhe 2nd one pissed me off so i just mumu ling it

[plucky grove]

[narrow pendant]

[teal moon]

man I used three 6* for that stage since I was lazy: Eben+Typhon+Exalter

now I just replaced them with highmore and two randoms

[narrow pendant]

Im rich enough to throw whatever op in garrisons

[teal moon]

needed to give extra levels to my highmore 🥹

[teal moon]

but but, optimization?

[plucky grove]

maybe i should try to do vec 12 first and then i can use whatever ops i want for the garrisons

[narrow pendant]

But but deez nuts?

[glass monolith]

I optimize how to keep main waifus for main stages

[narrow pendant]

Main squad safe for normal stages
Can throw whatever i want into garrisons

[teal moon]

[spice mortar]

optimising it is fun

[plucky grove]

yeah like you gotta keep your main squad for the normal stages right but if you finish vec 12 then it doesnt matter anymore and you can use your main squad for garrison too

[spice mortar]

shaw dies to final wave

[plucky grove]

im gaining iq i think

[spice mortar]

loses*

[scarlet fulcrum]

We still have Ros stage, and another mechanist

[plucky grove]

wait theres more main stages coming??

[narrow pendant]

Theres hard stages opening later ye

The current 12 isnt all

[plucky grove]

oh no

i thought it was just the 12 lol

[narrow pendant]

Didnt see the red tab to the right of kernel breakthrough?

[plucky grove]

i forgor about it

[scarlet fulcrum]

Buff will help later dw about it

[topaz tapir]

Doing GA-8

What should my placements and stuff be

[pearl compass]

All-Out button.

4 EX stages.

[plucky grove]

i c

[topaz tapir]

Do I need more Ranged units

[narrow pendant]

U have 5

[glass monolith]

I wonder what kind of unholy BS VEC-EX is with unholy BS of buffs we are getting week 2

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just relay ur units, so u don't need to bait/tank his nuke

[topaz tapir]

oh I just got no idea what I was doing in here

[scarlet fulcrum]

Spawncamp his p1, let all of his fart there

Bring gravel

[topaz tapir]

Who do I replace for Gravel

[scarlet fulcrum]

krooster

[pearl compass]

Yato 2☆ with E0-30

But I think you may have Gravel.

[scarlet fulcrum]

enhand

[spice mortar]

Saved blaze

[plucky grove]

if i use a unit for garrison i cant borrow the same unit for main stage right?

[spice mortar]

Yes

[plucky grove]

dang, here i was thinking i could have some use for e1 exualt

[spice mortar]

Oh borrow

Idk

[plucky grove]

yea i was just hoping i could use e1 for garrison and then borrow for main stage but i can only choose one

[scarlet fulcrum]

Dude think balze>exialt

[spice mortar]

Yup you cant

[spice mortar]

My exu e1

So bad

[scarlet fulcrum]

She isnt

[spice mortar]

Yes

Why would i use e1, rhats for poor people

[scarlet fulcrum]

U re peak

[topaz tapir]

Dude I mean two do I replace in my team

WHO EVEN GOT PAST

I DIDNT EVEN SEE ANYONE GET PAST UNTIL I BEAT THE LEVEL

[scarlet fulcrum]

Small car

[pearl compass]

Car

[topaz tapir]

how

[scarlet fulcrum]

Watch out for it

[plucky grove]

probably the little car yea

[pearl compass]

Most likely

[pearl compass]

It's kinda small

Hard to see when busy

Or it's just boss, lol

[topaz tapir]

Someone show me a strat on this my strat is too scuffed

[scarlet fulcrum]

Did u see the ice cream vendor? That dude summon small car with ammo

[topaz tapir]

Yeah but I thought I killed the cars

[scarlet fulcrum]

if it works it works, u improved

[pearl compass]

https://youtu.be/rY0ALz2JaP4

[scarlet fulcrum]

Bruh let them improve

[pearl compass]

No

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats looks like 1 year strat

[pearl compass]

It is

See Amiya?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea low promotion level way

[loud bluff]

Who is good for this stage?

[spice mortar]

Everyone solos

Wait nvm wrong one

[pearl compass]

Used Ambriel/Penance on this one and ExecutorAlter/Passenger on other one.

[spice mortar]

Lin easiest

[glass monolith]

I sacrificed Caper and Pepe on it

[spice mortar]

Pepe good for the next one

[loud bluff]

I don't have lin :<

No executor or passenger either

[spice mortar]

Hmm lin replacement

[glass monolith]

I don't follow geneva suggestions

[loud bluff]

No pepe too...I wasn't even around when she was released haha..

[spice mortar]

I think e1 valarqvin works

1se

Smile

[ebon flume]

can someone please help me with dh-5

there's so many enemies idk what to do

i just did a 10 pull i got some new characters idk if they'd be useful

[cyan plover]

Try saving pulls, an operator who's really flexible named Tragodia will appear soon-ish.

[ebon flume]

it was a 10 pull voucher

[cyan plover]

I see.

[ebon flume]

do you have advice?

[teal moon]

are you following Arflanyr guide?

[ebon flume]

idk what that is 😭

[teal moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvpVd4ZPESQ

remember, chose the correct stickers like in the video

[ebon flume]

ooh thanks

[teal moon]

if you need help for the main story or any current event check his guides

[spice mortar]

you can save these for other banners

unless it really specifically has the banner name as well, but thats usually for limited events

[ebon flume]

on this banner?

[spice mortar]

Oh kernel

Yeah that has its seperate ticket sustem

[ebon flume]

oh ok

[crisp bolt]

kernel 🚮

[ebon flume]

if you can do these with level 1 characters, what's the point of leveling them up?

[narrow pendant]

[teal moon]

making life easier

[pure orchid]

Make the timings more forgiving, and the execution of strats easier

[teal moon]

like, is this even a serious question?

it's like saying "if in Elden Ring people cleared the game with a lv1 character why should I level min"

[sly drift]

Insane

[pure orchid]

Why spend an hour stalling an enemy when you can explode it out of the sky in a second

[narrow pendant]

What sky?

[pure orchid]

Look up

[crisp bolt]

explode the sky as well

[narrow pendant]

At the ceiling?

[pure orchid]

Yeah thats your sky

[ebon flume]

btw how is this 5 star

[glass monolith]

Nope for combat, just premium Shaw

[teal moon]

good in base

[ebon flume]

damn

[acoustic slate]

Good lesson in not pulling kernel

[topaz tapir]

Dude looks at how fucking scuffed this is

At least I beat it but I bet auto battle will shit the bed

eh I don't think this is the best gel farm anyways right

[acoustic slate]

You never farm events that are not live

[teal moon]

:icant:

[scarlet fulcrum]

Dont farm that shit, no profit

[viscid mist]

There was like 1 event rerun stage that had decent material farm rates

and that is not one

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah tied with story node, but like its story node. If desperate enough yea. Crystal and rock still good tho

[torn sun]

can someone help me out with VEC 08. i feel like i dont have enough healing or tankiness for phase 2 i may be wrong though These are all my available operators:

[spice mortar]

Just throw bodies at it till it dies

Giraffe circles a couple times so you can use that time to burst mechanist

[pearl breach]

Take out monster from garrison. Im sure you have other options to clear it

[torn sun]

i just used her for this stage cause i dont have any other wandering medics besides ejya alter to get rid of the corrosion and i since i didnt wanna use anyone from the mains squad and had other healers i just used her

guess ill just find another way to clear it

[plucky grove]

how many tile rangr is gladiia again? im p sure you cab just have someone in front of gladiia and then gladiia will drag the archers into her with s2 and kill them

[pearl breach]

+3

[torn sun]

yeah 3

[pearl breach]

I did it with tinman and gummy. What other ops did you have?

[plucky grove]

yea so gladiia + any defender (maybe e1 gummy) should clear

[torn sun]

only healing defenders i have e2 is saria and nearl

gummie is e1 50 tho ill test stuff out

i also go liskarm e2 aswell

[plucky grove]

it should be enoug yea cuz she just needs to tank the defenders

and gladiia should be able to drag the archers since s2 targets 2 enemies

[pearl breach]

Lisk wont have enough dmg. That defender needs some form of arts or high burst phy

[plucky grove]

p sure gladiia with s2 should have enough dmg for defenders

[pearl breach]

You want to save the higher rarity for the main stage.

[plucky grove]

lapp + defender then

although

they dont have gladiia module so its not like using her for main stages (ulpi borrow) is gonna do anything

[torn sun]

yeah im working on gladia but shes on halt until next ulpi banner if i have enough to pull on him

[plucky grove]

iirc ulpi + gladiia + healer is something ppl do for vec 12

[torn sun]

yeah nope lapland + nearl doesnt work either lol

[plucky grove]

crazy
been a while since i did the stage so i dont remember the spawning patterns

[torn sun]

its just the corrosion damage

making me unable to tank

[pearl breach]

Gladia won't have enough fire power either.

[plucky grove]

my assumption is lapp or gladiia with their multi target on skill will hit the archers

[torn sun]

the thing with lap is her skill isnt auto

so by the time skill is up 2 arches are already shooting and shes gonna die before or shortly after it activates without a defender

[plucky grove]

lapp + liskarm?

[torn sun]

corrosion damage lol

u need heals

[pearl breach]

[torn sun]

well I need heals

[plucky grove]

its like -100 def per burst, i dont remember how much dmg the defenders do

[torn sun]

ehhhh i feel like i can clear the stage without monster anyway i just need a diff approach

[plucky grove]

so im not being too helpful rn, not available to check

[torn sun]

yeah its only -100 but the enhanced shots kinda make it annoying to tank when 2 or more archers spawn

i dont think i have anyone outside my main squad that can really clear it as of rn

i need to e2 more ops

and build them

ill just send a screenshot of my vec 8 placements and see if im just doing something wrong here

[pearl breach]

The archer is the problem.
If you activate gladia s2 too early. You only can kill 1 archer.
If you activate too late. The two defenders will tank the hit instead.

[torn sun]

or i just need more healing somehow

[pearl breach]

But s3 is doable

[torn sun]

oh wait her s3

[pearl breach]

Well thats if you wont use gladia for the main

[torn sun]

ill see if i need her for later stages

when i get there

[pearl breach]

Okay.. the timing to activate s3 is when the 3rd archer about to pop out

or when the first archer starts walking to the right.

[torn sun]

yeah nah lol imma need to build my gladia

ill jsut e2 gummie while im at it

nearl somehow dies right as the third comes out so the 2 shielders just kill gladia

[pearl breach]

You can make gladia tank a couple archer hit first

[torn sun]

dont think my gladia can pull in shielders yet either

[pearl breach]

Then drop nearl/gummy a little bit late

[torn sun]

shilder gets blocked by gladia

then she dies 😬 lol

ill just keep doing Vec 8

im gonna try something else and get back to this later if i dont see any changes

like here shouldnt it be doing arts damage in a cross from nearls deploment square i dont understand why my hearls at the top just both die at the same time there

am i missing something?

[pearl breach]

Hard to tell with just an image.

Prolly the mechanist threw the 3x3 granade at you

[torn sun]

it was the meteor shower than hit the entire lane where eyja was

both my healers instantly die and i dont understand why

they arent in line with nearl or saria

and i placed saria last so the grenades will hit her alone

or does he change priority to nearl in phase 2?

[pearl breach]

Le crosstile dmg target the allies with most block count.
Look at saria and nearl.. they got minus block debuff.

Also, its hard to figure out with a small roster but eyja s2 + gummy s2 works

Meanwhile krooster + gummy almost works. But still lack of dmg.

[torn sun]

yeah thats why i was confused on how my healers died at the same time

by a crosstile

[torn sun]

ur using s1?

[pearl breach]

[astral cosmos]

lutonada + any ok dps works

[torn sun]

i dont usually like clearing stages whith borrowed ops but at this point i might just have to get an ulpianus or something

[pearl breach]

He dont have any rats unfortunately

[torn sun]

wdym

[pearl breach]

Lutonada build

Im replying to rechord

[torn sun]

oh

[crisp bolt]

rat gaming

[astral cosmos]

bison + corroserum works

[torn sun]

just asking, what level is ur gummie?

[pearl breach]

Uhh.. she is maxxed

[lapis hornet]

click works

[astral cosmos]

surprised shalem even works tbh

[pearl breach]

Shalem is goated 🛐

[astral cosmos]

it's harrowing how all of my optimised SP clears are male only

[pearl breach]

[narrow pendant]

Fuck seeing chestnut maxed and m3'd is..

Ik its u but

[pearl breach]

I tank the first two archer hits with the range on both clear.

[astral cosmos]

wdym m3'd? he's m6

[narrow pendant]

[pearl breach]

Even worse

[lofty stag]

If it makes you feel any better, his base still sucks 🥹

[narrow pendant]

🥹

[autumn loom]

how ideal..

[torn sun]

@pearl breach i finally cleared it

[autumn loom]

good job!!

[torn sun]

still dont know why my healers randomly died that 1 run but i got it down

[pearl breach]

[torn sun]

just swapped out logos for exu alter to help saria survive and have lemuen nuke bottom lane while the giraffe was down, idk why i didnt think about that sooner 😭

[static geyser]

Is this good or should I switch ops positions? I was thinking of switching sash and lapps positions

[remote perch]

It would be better to switch Logos and Exu since he will be more protected cuz he's your core
But it really doesn't matter when the squad is overkill

You might also want to place SA on the right side blue box facing up to kill the enemy that will attempt to destroy the pillars

[narrow pendant]

Lappland does that rather

[static geyser]

Okay I'll switch exu and logos. And wait @narrow pendant im guessing I would put lapp where he said SA should be?

I don't think lapp could kill them fast enough hence why I put exu there

[narrow pendant]

No.., im saying sash can stay where he is, and put lappland above blue box facing up

[remote perch]

Logos is enough to handle the middle enemies
The hardest part of the map is being swarmed by the fodders, which logos insta kills

So you can use less resources in the middle to handle right
Hell you can also just keep logos there and make Exu face up instead

[narrow pendant]

And mlynar would rather face up or left rather than right

You habe overkill for the stage

[static geyser]

Like this?

[rich plover]

So what's the general idea for fighting Mechanist?

[remote perch]

Ye, that's enough

I'd probably just make Mlynar face left tbh, top right enemy is not an issue anymore with Exu there, so it would be better to have some more support for the bottom left, but then again, it's really overkill with logos

[static geyser]

I ended up switch exu and logos position because I need to keep logos alive

[dense cedar]

whats up with this dude

guy keeps nuking my shit and instakilling it

[static geyser]

Lap can't kill these guys fast enough and I think they're gonna break through the wall before the end

[analog kiln]

tldr

he has a skill that does a shit ton of damage to a unit (normal targetting) and all adjacent units, so bait it or keep your tank (usually ulpianus cuz he hits like a truck so only big hp pool can tank mechanist) away from your other ops

and then his normal attacks also hit hard (ranged phys)

when hitting phase 2 and falling below 50% hp during phase 2 he will do big arts in a cross to the highest block targets and lower their block, ng gud to tank these
he will also do this to whoever is blocking the giraffe

[cyan plover]

Have you tried placing Exu2 above Logos, facing north, Mlynar on Ely's place.

I could be wrong but I don't see the bottom left need much attention compared to the top right.

[dense cedar]

oh the adjacent targetting was probably what was fucking me over

is it just to the 4 cardinal directions or on all 8 slots around?

[analog kiln]

yeah the cluster bomb nukes everything in those 9 tiles

8 slots around

[dense cedar]

ill try to work around that

thanks

[rich plover]

I need help with allocating my operators https://www.krooster.com/u/dungen27 for Vector Breakthrough

[analog kiln]

also during phase 2 his normal attacks deal dmg to 4 tiles around whatever he is targetting (cardinal directions), but loses the cluster bomb attack (instead does the cross thing on giraffe blocker)

[cyan plover]

#help could be a better channel to ask for

[rich plover]

Sorry, wasn't specific enough

[cyan plover]

Oh, I'll leave it to others since I'm not bothering myself too much with Vector-12

[dense cedar]

i see

also for the giraffe you just stall that until the guy is dead right?

[analog kiln]

I did that yeah, giraffe is easy once mechanist is dead

also reading the wiki, seems like stalling giraffe also stalls mechanist since he cant move while giraffe is blocked during phase 2

[static geyser]

Yeah they broke through the right wall😂

[dense cedar]

hoh

[analog kiln]

but he will fuck your block and spam the arts cross while giraffe is blocked

but hey better than the fucking cluster nuke in p1

[dense cedar]

for sure

[serene hornet]

Gotta hold until the end

[hasty spruce]

Do you have to equip 20 healers in this stage

[plucky grove]

no, there is a buff which makes the lava do baby damage and also regen all ops

the sp07 and 08 stages

[glass monolith]

Don't worry. Teapod dragons DoT DPS ramp up to like 2000 per second (It goes x1 -> x2 -> x3 -> etc multiplier increase every 4 seconds). Just assume whatever was hit is dead

[hasty spruce]

Yeah

The second i place down an op they get melted by those lavas

[worthy crane]

any tips for this stage?

[hasty spruce]

Stall boss and use atleast 2 of the pillars

Is what i did

2 of the front pillars

[rich plover]

Need help with VEC 04

[patent canyon]

Getting stuck on Vec 12 myself, mechanist is one-shotting even my defenders. Only thing that doesn't immediately die is ulpi but his aoe kills my healers before they can heal him up. Any tips for dealing with him? (Center and bottom lanes i can handle w/o much problem)

[plucky grove]

get this buff, it work for the lava

[glass monolith]

If you trouble is boss there is strat to stall phase 1 entirely (Something with good HP and likely at least 2 medics to survive lazers which do like 4k arts in 7 seconds) and then use all pillars on phase 2. if you didnt notice yet operators take pause after they drop pillar to 0 HP when next hit will flip it, you can prematurely 0 HP pillars with gravel, save device for one you can't melee. It will leave boss on around 4k hp left to burst/snipe with anything.
Remember to place operators in phase 2 in way boss won't pillar you. Pillars on sides can be saved for phase 2 wave to group up and instakill golems

[dusk quest]

Holy mother of stall (been like this for 15 minutes)

Thank you Exialter S3 for existing

[static geyser]

How would I heal exu?

[static geyser]

Someone recommended this @wispy ledge

[wispy ledge]

lowkey dunno
i havent used exu2 yet xd

[static geyser]

Dern

[cyan plover]

Nvm forgot to take into consideration environmental stuff

[copper solstice]

It's left to right no ? So she should survive

[static geyser]

Oh I thought the sandstorm comes from above too no?

Yeah it's up and down too I just looked it up haha

[glass monolith]

It have different winds

At finale part wind is 100% from top and game spams OD invisible snipers who do 420 no scopes if someone in sandstorm

[static geyser]

I think I might move gummy down one space so that brings the enemies in range of logos thing so they die. Would that be good?

[wicked minnow]

is that sankta miksa s3?

[dusk quest]

Yep, crucial to survive his normals

[wicked minnow]

why not s2 tho

mechanist normal attack is a 3 hit combo

and his grenade thing hits so many times

[glass monolith]

Right side is Low DEF / High RES enemies. I wouldn't advice Lapp due her auto activated Does arts skills. You can place snipers or someone tile above Logos looking right (I personally don't reinforce pillar on left causing wind from left to break that pillar for me while i reinforce both right pillars.

[dusk quest]

becaus he needs it for a longer duration, S2 would go off too soon due to him attacking with it

[wicked minnow]

maybe i didnt test it enough

i remember miksa s2 being better since it would last longer

but maybe you are right

[dusk quest]

He cannot survive Mechanists normal attacks so he needs it as long as possible, and Exia S3 gets him back to activate it immediately

[glass monolith]

Miks S3 spens ammo only when hit

[static geyser]

But reinforcing those pillars at the bottom would make sure the ops don't take damage

[wicked minnow]

im aware. mechanist attacks a lot with multi-hit

[glass monolith]

Just 24 hits nuke phase 1, he will be fine

[glass monolith]

Honestly i am not sure why you have so much "forward" set up on your image, what is poing in Logos S1 if you have 2 blockers block slugs he suppose to instakill? Sure you free to keep defenders or something in front of him to bait ranged attacks of crossbow/slug spawners, but why keep enemies from Logos S1 range?

[static geyser]

If you saw my message previously I said I was gonna move gummy down so that the enemies are within the range...

[wicked minnow]

oh that anni? i prefer setting up on the middle island

[glass monolith]

Back in my days we had picnic at blue box

[static geyser]

I was planning on blocking these

[cyan plover]

@static geyser probably somethin like this.

Then reinforce as suggested by minus

[static geyser]

Yeah that's what I was thinking of doing because I usually set up next to blue boxes but I was just following a guide and got annoyed with it haha

[static geyser]

Wait do I reinforce the pillars you put yellow squares on or the ones that are reinforced in this picture

[glass monolith]

would move gummy to left to avoid "classic" why crossbowmen kill my shit. Also wont set up explode when sand archers kill ground pillar? We don't quite have fdr for job

[glass monolith]

It was someones esle picture idrew squares at for where I reinforcing

[cyan plover]

Fair.

[cyan plover]

I placed them based on your roster, I didn't remember which healer u had so I placed a sussuro just because

I'd try the effectiveness of the placement I just did but I got no sanity rn.

[static geyser]

I use silence as healer but she's slow haha I might use someone else like ptilo

[static geyser]

Should I just use ptilo?

[cyan plover]

Depends, if you can heal yourself fine but then receive a burst of damage across multiple ops in some scenarios it should be better option ig.

Try it out, I'm not sure if it still works but if you leak you close the game and log back in, saving yourself sanity iirc. Unless they decided to patch it

[static geyser]

Lol damn. I'll stick with silence for now then

[fringe solstice]

tbf doesn't logos s1 break that stage

[cyan plover]

It should

He's had the problem of leaking the right side, which I simply repositioned logos

[glass monolith]

If Saga was eating slugs Logos S1 should

[cyan plover]

and placed exu2 in his place to take care of the right side.

[glass monolith]

Or place Silverash S1 or something there

[acoustic slate]

Should have kept mlynar facing right like I said, unlike stinky FAE

[hollow turtle]

Silverash s1 is surprisingly good, i underestimated its dmg and thats into consideration that he can attack aerial units

[fringe solstice]

I couldn't remember what spawned there so I looked up what kyo used.

kroos and arene

[cyan plover]

You're right

[static geyser]

Hey @glass monolith i saw you only use 8 reinforced things. Where do you use the other 2?

[cyan plover]

Use one of them on the thing facing towards Logos

[static geyser]

Ah okay haha

[static geyser]

I'm guessing the last one is just extra

[cyan plover]

Well I can't think anywhere else in which we'd need it unless we extend our ops placement

[static geyser]

I'll try it for now

[glass monolith]

Just because I CAN use 10 doesn't mean I must. Especially when my personal set up occupy this 3x3 like place on bottom

[static geyser]

Also I usually use silence ability when I see someone dying or when there's a lot of enemies

[cyan plover]

You probably won't need it since you got less ops you're gonna need to sustain. But we'll see.

[worn root]

I wanted the trimmed

[cyan plover]

You still got it no? I thought it was tmr

[worn root]

I wanted to try and get it with supporter only

[cyan plover]

Oh I see, rip.

Man I always forget you're running the supporter thingie.

[worn root]

XD

I have beaten VEC 1 - 11 with supporter only with the phase 1 buffs

Before the hp regen buff

But VEC 12 is a literal cliff face for the niche rn

With the future buffs, Im throwing ling at that mf

[glass monolith]

What if Skalter S3 as main DPS on mechanist instead Virtuosa S3

[worn root]

Then we will be here for even longer

Plus s1 is better for, obv reasons

[crisp bolt]

The main thing is how would you stall for long enough?

I feel like you'd run out of summons too quickly before you deal enough damage

[ripe trellis]

ling gnosis is a clear

[autumn loom]

omg

[glass monolith]

Ok. How do we save file corruption week 2 buffs on week 1? Expecially when it is IRL instead bethesda game

[crisp bolt]

[static geyser]

I ended up placing cuora in front of gummy because Logos kept getting hit so I made them focus on cuora more

[cyan plover]

Probably just moving Gummy to the left as previously suggested by Minus would've done the job but yeah, it's nice you cleared it thou

[static geyser]

Yeah I was just asking in the help chat because I couldn't understand what was going on haha because something kept insta killing logos

[plucky grove]

i wanted to confirm how lemuens targeting priority worked so i did a quick (not too robust) test
s3 targeting is lowest def -> regular targeting -> lowest marks

actually i think regular targeting is also time based but w/e

[plucky grove]

this did not work but lee + ange worked

[lime lantern]

what should i do here

[spice mortar]

Stage is piss easy

[foggy grove]

open the chest by standing near them

[pearl breach]

Feed the plants with cheap ops then kill them like usual

[thick tinsel]

What’s a good Strat for 5-7 main?

[spice mortar]

Guy on the left gets blocked by anything with defence and then throw bodies at the plants while you kill them

[foggy grove]

chest gives fruit,feed fruit to plants

[spice mortar]

Forgot, makes it easier

[lime lantern]

gotcha ty

[pearl breach]

Remove the debuff drone asap. Then place the jammer in the middle, covered by your range units.

[lime lantern]

do i need arts dmg for vec 8

[worn root]

Yeh ik

So is ling angie

But both clears use max buffs

[lime lantern]

uhh

[queen axle]

not rly

[lime lantern]

well

what do i do for vec8

bros just oneshotting me

i can get a decent amount of damage in before his shield comes back up again

[plucky grove]

benched

[lime lantern]

would i rather have -20def buff or logos thorns

[fringe solstice]

probably not, but mechanist has 40 res so it is easier

surviving is the hard part

[lime lantern]

err

yeah

ikd what to do

[queen axle]

[lime lantern]

is it that strange of a question

im basically buffless

[queen axle]

dude

[pearl breach]

"arts"

[queen axle]

u burned logos thorns?

[lime lantern]

well i mean like would i rather my phys dps be more effective or have another dps

[lime lantern]

dire man

maybe just logos would work

but my roster is dire

thorns is there as decoration i feel

[plucky grove]

isnt the -20 def stage really easy?

whats your roster

[queen axle]

yeah a decently invested krooster can solo it

[fringe solstice]

from what I know of vec 12 no buffs, tanks with DR like yu and ulpi with gladia mod x are the best also high def tanks like hoshi s2 work too

[lime lantern]

got no tanks

[queen axle]

then u can't beat it rn

[plucky grove]

ok yea you might be cooked lowkey LOL

[queen axle]

[plucky grove]

probabl gonna have to wait for better buffs to come out + some time to get more ops raised

[lime lantern]

its just vec8

maybe yu borrow?

[queen axle]

uh

u can still bruteforce vec8

idk borrow whatever

[fringe solstice]

probably best to wait for the next buffs and complete those with what you have then use supports to help you complete the main stages

[queen axle]

just need to kill the giraffe then burst down mechanist

[plucky grove]

i think shu might be better tbh since vec 8 has the cross attack so theres a bit of a healing check

[queen axle]

they don't need those for vec8 really, vec12 is the impossible one for them

cause i did vec8 with none tanking mechanist

[lime lantern]

idm not clearing vec8

wasnt expecting to clear vec12 buffless in 20 days account anyway

[plucky grove]

i suppose thats an option too

[queen axle]

yeah u can burst down vec8 unlike vec12

[noble pewter]

Borrow a shu to block bot, use fast redeploy etc to block top mech for p1, kill fast with logos exu lemuen, p2 either block bot only or block top same strat

Even lv1 fast redeploy, merchants or sth will do, desperate times

Rely on 2 shield pray

[lime lantern]

im buffless

[noble pewter]

If have summoner can use those too

[lime lantern]

unless u want me to burn carries for buffs

[noble pewter]

0 buff at all

[lime lantern]

yes

[noble pewter]

So this is all u have n not yet claim any buff?

[queen axle]

do u actually have glad built but no ulpianus

anyways rip

i too couldn't beat it with my own strat

[noble pewter]

Sacrifice carry for buff then borrow a ling or sth maybe

[lime lantern]

which carry and what buff

[lucid owl]

Is mechanist's shield dmg based or hit count based

[earnest bobcat]

Hit count.

[strange palm]

That's a lot of annihilation missions open.... can't even tell which one's actually the newest. Which one should I do?

[somber falcon]

The one it automatically directs you to is the rotating one

[strange palm]

it directs me to all three available Sargon missions, couldn't tell which one was the rotatin one at first

[somber falcon]

The one you can use the sweep ticket on

[fringe solstice]

It's grand bazaar

[strange palm]

didn't realize the Bazaar was the mission till just now tbh. haven't cleared it at all yet

what should my roster be for the map? last squad I used for annihilation was one for South Prison

[cyan plover]

Maps with barbell icons indicate as "Practice Stages" And the one that has an 🔀 is the most recent one I believe

[cedar finch]

Suddenly found myself asking for VEC-12 help.
I'm quite lack of some useful operators(ines, medic eyja, logos, and ulpianus)
I do have some new ones like exu and her sis, but i have no idea how to play it.

[queen axle]

long spring wastes is evil

all is well until that invisible sniper kills ur entire backline

i was NOT prepared

[cedar finch]

Should i post my operator list here to make some reference?

Its not very broken tho

[cyan plover]

It would help. I won't thou. Will have to wait other responses cause I am not trying in VEC-12

[pearl breach]

It wont hurt to try

[cedar finch]

Ok well, lemme screenshot first.
I dont wanna miss the trim

[cyan plover]

If your roster's big it's best you import it through Krooster site

[cedar finch]

How does that work? Havent used that yet

[cyan plover]

https://www.krooster.com/

[fringe solstice]

Bring cuora and any vanguard. Honestly, I'm not entirely sure it will work. Lemuen s3 when the big def enemies come. Narutuya s1, nearl alter s1, saria s1.

[strange palm]

put in your login info on the import tab and you'll be good to go. It DOES act as logging into the game on another device though so you'll have to relog afterward (and re-import as your roster updates)

[fringe solstice]

#strategy message

[cedar finch]

Alright, lemme figure it out first, ty

[strange palm]

well dang, good thing I started building Narantuya right after getting her

[cedar finch]

The only practical one in my hand is only hoshi

[fringe solstice]

if you have saria, you can probably try yu borrow.

[fringe solstice]

the crystal mechanic requires attacking it a lot. The higher attack speed and hit count, the easier it is to get rid of it.

[cedar finch]

I think i've finished krooster import, now what's next step

[cyan plover]

click profile, copy link, paste

[regal frost]

share link

[lucid owl]

Can anyone survive mehcanist nuke

[cedar finch]

Ok

[regal frost]

yumee

[pearl breach]

Lem s3 is enough to nuke that big mummies but the green tile on the left will take most of her nuke away.

Surajj

[cedar finch]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/sound-cherry-shu-84bj

I think this works

[cyan plover]

Loaded-ish

[static geyser]

I messaged you

[cyan plover]

?

[lucid owl]

Nvm i had gladiia on modx that's why ulpi never survived

[static geyser]

About Ani 9

[cedar finch]

Now......
We can get into the vec-12 topic i guess

[fringe solstice]

@strange palm You might need exusiai too, to remove the crystal on the right side when the birds spawn. La pluma or perfumer should be the easiest to redeploy

[strange palm]

I went in for a first attempt with Myrtle and Canta for DP production, which of them should I swap for Exu if the attempt flops?

[fringe solstice]

Canta. Annihilation has slow enemy spawning

[fringe solstice]

You have shu and exu alter so yu s2 is the easiest borrow.

[cedar finch]

Welp, quick friend list check now

Nope, i had to add someone has yu

Put yu on the third line to deal with the principle thing i guess?

[fringe solstice]

No, yu tanks mechanist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV3J0aBqAi4

[cedar finch]

Oh well

[fringe solstice]

well I did full squad because I'm missing level and stuff and didn't want to learn skill timings

same strat but adding vanguards, dps, more healers etc

[cedar finch]

I think i'll still add some squad members to make it safe anyway

I dont wanna get stuck in skill issues

After all potentials in low-members are somewhat important

[smoky halo]

bruh stolen clear

[fringe solstice]

the idea is to have exu alter redeploy yu and then teleport mechanist onto yu and try to kill phase 1 as quick as you can

[cedar finch]

Ic

That's quite damn close in some circumstances, tho

I dont think i can provide full resources for all 90's

[analog kiln]

exualter s3 so good for this vector thingy tbh

multihit, insta redeploys a body

[foggy grove]

s3 is pretty strong for low op

help has hate boner for it tho

[analog kiln]

well s2 is braindead as fuck so thats why

[cedar finch]

Good news is that i accidentally specialized that.
Sweet

[fringe solstice]

I did it with lv 60s so it shouldn't matter that much unless you are copying it 100%

[smoky halo]

help hates on the most random shit

its like they dont use the op

[analog kiln]

you click s2 and suddenly exu is tanky asf along with the friston you threw last minute and casually does like 4k per hit
brainded skill

[fringe solstice]

the big aoe attack is phase 1 so once you trigger phase 2 the skills are different

[cedar finch]

I think at least i'll bind my bagpipe+myrtle and one or two extra medics to ensure some factors

[strange palm]

reached the 350 enemy mark before things went wrong, I'll test with Exu now. Where should I put her on the map?

[lucid owl]

40 mins for this stage only

[cedar finch]

Ulp + gladia is so broken in this one

[split lynx]

What medics other than kal can reach 4 tiles in front of em
Other than like global range n stuff

[cedar finch]

Ansel

[fringe solstice]

were there any crystals on the right side? just place her in range of them

[lucid owl]

Always been the best at tanking

[split lynx]

[strange palm]

there hadn't been any till 350 when things started going wrong

[cedar finch]

I think ulp is gonna be my next pull list

[strange palm]

lineup was pretty solid all things considered

[lucid owl]

Damn good to have
I use him alone on most general content and he is amazing

[lucid owl]

Maybe monster with her gadget?

[fringe solstice]

I didn't realize but 2 carts spawn top so you need to retreat narutuya to place myrtle to block one of them. It spawns crystals, and the unicycles have global range if they are on a crystal.

[strange palm]

oh

so that's what happened

[split lynx]

Unfortunately not available..
Ill figure smth out

[lucid owl]

Ansel has +tile iirc

But i don't think his healing is enough for whatever u trying to do

[cedar finch]

Sent my friend id, and i think i'll revise the map and tactics before someone add me with Yu S2

Better have it within 3hrs...

[fringe solstice]

sent

[split lynx]

What ops other than mousse have an atk debuff

[fringe solstice]

shamare s2

[split lynx]

Wait really?

[fringe solstice]

-50% attack and def

[plucky grove]

shamare s2 is the main atk debuffer

[split lynx]

Ah fuck the range isn't enough though j think

Hold on

[plucky grove]

its a doll you put down it has 3x3 range

[split lynx]

Ye ik but have to clip the enemy into hoshi to reach

[fringe solstice]

oh yeah necrosis works

[plucky grove]

lol i had no idea necrosis reduced atk

[narrow pendant]

Its not good for it however

[cedar finch]

Gotcha thanks❤️

Gonna have some chaos now

[noble pewter]

For week 1 the deploy in high tide - 2dp cost, global hp regen r great

If later on focus atk spd buff n other more op buff

[cyan plover]

I cleared VEC-12 in the most braindead way possible I believe. Lappy Alter to remove shield and some other stuff for damage.

[bitter halo]

i managed to lane hold mechanist with abyssal hunter squad

[cyan plover]

Oh right, Ulpi + Gladiia for tank, Lap alter to remove shield, Beamed him down with Exu2, only took 2 cycles of his shield to kill him.

I killed him so fast I didn't know the giraffe robot thing reduced block count.

[tough storm]

Anyone willing to brainstorm something for me to win VEC-12 to trim the medal in voicechat? i think i might lose
my Ulpi dies to the mechanist, i think skill levels arent enough

[buoyant phoenix]

do u have yu e2

[tough storm]

borrowed

[urban silo]

So, I have no Yu, Shu, Logos, Ejyalter, Wisadel and Ulpipi.
Should I just give up with Vec-12? Lmao

[buoyant phoenix]

what else do u have in acc

if you can send a krooster or smth, it'd be good

or even an operator page

[tough storm]

im trying to battery charge Exu so she can carry me

i only leveled up the third skill

i think im cooked

Eyja also got level 7 skills

my nian tanks a little better than ulpi tho

[narrow pendant]

Cuz your ass has gladia on modY

[bitter halo]

you should borrow ulpi with s2 and lane hold top side forget yu strat

[narrow pendant]

Why is sail using s2

[tough storm]

oh wait you are right

this gives better buffs

[buoyant phoenix]

nah nah you're good so, you have exia alter, yu, shu and reed alter - which are all you need for the 4 op buffless clear:
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV14DEWz3Enw/ reed alter s3
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1zFERz2E5n/ reed alter s2

this should go over your placements, skill timings, etc for the core clear. just use buffs and all your other operators are good for leniency. see if this works out for you, otherwise forget the yu strat and try smth else ya

[tough storm]

got no better vanguard, myrthle is on a supply

[narrow pendant]

No shit, gladia's only purpuse is ulpi's dr bot

[bitter halo]

let me try with something like yours

[buoyant phoenix]

also pls usse eyjaberry s3

ur good

[tough storm]

ok

will try all night and morning if i can

[cyan plover]

sentanyl godsend

[ripe trellis]

yu strat is pretty straightforward

you got this

[bitter halo]

trying this without yu

[cedar finch]

ulp moment

[bitter halo]

ughhh i forgot another defender

[buoyant phoenix]

yeah there's no tight timings or anything

[tough storm]

i mean, now with all my sp batteries i have, of course there's no timings

[buoyant phoenix]

i mean there are timings as to when you pop shu skill for example, when to pop exia' summon, etc

[tough storm]

4 nian sibblings, ptilopsis, stainless

[buoyant phoenix]

otherwise it's chill

how's ur clear going

[pearl breach]

Can try this setup.
Yu and ulp is the last two deployed

[tough storm]

my initial idea was using yu to catch both the mechanist and the dog in the middle laneand was trying that for like 4 days

until now that i've given up because all my tanks and ulpi died

[pearl breach]

You can but u need exu s3 on yu

[tough storm]

at first when i tried, only looked the team comp, then threw the towel

[pearl breach]

Also, yu probably gonna die after this

[bitter halo]

yea im not gonna torture myself i already got my trimmed sorry

[narrow pendant]

[ripe trellis]

hi fredi

[narrow pendant]

Hey laq

[ripe trellis]

🫦

[narrow pendant]

Please dont do that

[queen axle]

u must suffer like i have

[tough storm]

i really used gladiia with mod y for months, im really dumb

[narrow pendant]

[rich plover]

Any low end guides for VEC 04?

[pearl compass]

Maximum I could offer is Ling S3 and she needs latest buffs to win.

🥹

[rich plover]

I can get Ulpianus as support, but I'm unsure when to place him

And I don't have Gladiia built atm

[pearl compass]

Pretty sure Gladiia is essential to make Ulpipi tanky

Otherwise he will die fast.

[tough storm]

yeah, it was that easy and dumb

[pearl compass]

If I could comment as such.

Before Ecko guide.

[tough storm]

i can now go to sleep and go to work

i was thinking of staying up all night and go sleep deprived to work

😭

[rich plover]

Do I invest into Gladiia just for Ulpianus?

[white basin]

Can ulpanius survive vec-12 boss with module? I tried without module and still killed by the burst. The only one that was able to survive so far is the og oni defender

[glass monolith]

Woohoo I am not only one (Set it as default on CCB for support)

[pearl compass]

He may die with module E2-60, if he didn't get buffed by SpecterAlter or/and Skadi.

[queen axle]

he will die without gladia mod

[pearl compass]

Or use E2-90 and I pretty sure he may survive that shit too.

[white basin]

Mine is e2-80 without module, still died with gladiaa, looks like may need specalter

Skadi buffs atk isn't it?

[glass monolith]

I was without S2 masteries and barely survived with e2 60 Glad mod 3 Silence alter Spalter Skadi

[pearl compass]

With AH mod, HP too.

[sterile iris]

is there a VEC 12 strat w/o yu AND shu? One is fine, just not both

I have neither

[white basin]

Oh my bad, always thought it was just atk% haha

[pearl compass]

Yu is essential, Shu could be replaced, if you can buff survivability.

Nian could increase MaxHP to Yu too.

EyjaAlter is buffing HP.

[white basin]

The amount units needed to tank the boss is insaneee

[queen axle]

needs glad mod the one that makes the dr to all enemies

[sterile iris]

Im grabbing krooster gimme a sec

[tough storm]

@buoyant phoenix@narrow pendant thank you for the insight
also, if i would've used your strat as a last resort, thank you anyways

[buoyant phoenix]

goated

enjoy ur trim

[rich plover]

Not sure how to do VEC 04 without leaking on one side

[sterile iris]

Notable ops I have are Mon3tr, exalter, reedalter, exu, hoshi, lumen, lemuen, ifrit

[tough storm]

trim are getting me paranoid ever since CC#3, no one ever told me you had to trim the medals and lost the trim opportunity for CC#1/2/3

[pearl compass]

ReedAlter and ExuAlt is super.
Lemuen too with S3.

If you lack roachy.

[sterile iris]

I have no wis

[tough storm]

same thing happened to SSS
no one told me it was seasonal and lost like half the medals

[white basin]

Looks like he needs yu assist so he can't get wis

[sterile iris]

yeah I need yu assist

[queen axle]

just have ulpipi block giraffe, burst giraffe down with exu2 then burst mechanist ig they only have 1 life at vec4 but u gotta kill them together

[narrow pendant]

I basically didnt do anything so no need to thank me
But, glad you did it

[foggy grove]

just burst it down

no need to tank for non 12

evaporated as soon as they come out

[sterile iris]

I fucking hate leafcarpet

[foggy grove]

just bind her useless ass

[rich plover]

What skill for Lemon?

[foggy grove]

s3

[narrow pendant]

Wtf is this bunny toxicity

[sterile iris]

honestly deserved

[tough storm]

if not for you, i would've had gladiia Mod Y for a year or two before noticing

[narrow pendant]

EN and the need to use eyesight🥹

[rich plover]

What's the timing?

[tough storm]

why tho? she's just a happy goofy elite operator who likes to run and have fun

[foggy grove]

as soon as they are insight?

[sterile iris]

FUCK HER (the elite op not you)

[glass monolith]

Would say "needed", more like I skipped need to painfully measure all combinations

[tough storm]

who wouldnt?

[sterile iris]

in the bad way

[tough storm]

[foggy grove]

zamn final week buff must be crazy, i saw beagle tanking mechanic

[strange palm]

so fun fact my second attempt flopped cuz I forgot to pay attention after putting down Myrtle, Thorns, and Pluma until 100 enemies in whoops-
third attempt went MOSTLY okay until 380 when EVERYTHING went to hell thanks to the things that fly and make crystal paths and then die

not entirely sure how to counter that easily

[limpid ore]

you blink once and 10 enemies leak

i forgot how hard the mummy sarcophagus carrier hit was

[sterile iris]

TRUE

[limpid ore]

it's been 9 months since pepe event

[strange palm]

especially with the rollers that get pretty much global range on the crystal tiles

not sure who I should upgrade more for the mission, either

[limpid ore]

more medic to heal the 2 baits againt the unicyclist laser birds

[foggy grove]

ethan s1 is pretty good to melt cystal

true aoe and dot

[limpid ore]

alchemist

[strange palm]

I don't necessarily have an open spot to put Ethan, and if you couldn't tell by my krooster, I have no alchemists

This is my squad

Lem and Narantuya (and Gracebearer) are basically my newest ops since somewhere between 2022 and 2024

[mint hound]

Does AK apply flat buffs before percentage buffs or is it based on what buff is applied first

[foggy grove]

you don't need that many medics if you manage the crystal

[narrow pendant]

Depends which u mean

[strange palm]

had a massive inactive streak for the past 3 years so I'm missing a lot of newer class units

[mint hound]

Wdym

[narrow pendant]

If ones from like inspiration, its after atk% buffs, and before skill scales

[mint hound]

Like what stat

[limpid ore]

like what kind of the buff source is

[mint hound]

Ok

[strange palm]

I can manage it till 380 when the airdroppers come in again and pelt the right side with crystal floor

[pearl compass]

The different buffs works differently on formula. You need to be exact in what you want to know.

[glass monolith]

I can see that being a canon doctor situation - as soon as he don't micromanage something it goes to shit

[strange palm]

then the bouncing unicycles spawn and everything goes to hell in a handbasket

[sterile iris]

its 1am rn, should I go to sleep, or should I trim the medal

[strange palm]

I vote sleep as a night owl and lightly sleep-deprived creacher

[sterile iris]

okay

sleep it is

[narrow pendant]

Not exactly
If its buff like pepe's guard talent, it goes together with llthe likes of warfarin and aak buff

[mint hound]

Basically inspiration buff, aak buff (any buff applied via another operator's skill), and self applied buff via skill and talent

[mint hound]

I'm using horn, aak, and skalter

[glass monolith]

Game flex is temporary, irl sleep schedule is going to haunt you for long time if you F with it

[narrow pendant]

Then ita horns base+(her talent+aak)+ inspiration

[mint hound]

So is Horn's skill applied first

Then aak, then inspiration

[limpid siren]

atk% buffs are additive with each other

[mint hound]

So it's not 20% plus another 50% on top of that

It's more like a 70% buff

[limpid siren]

that's correct

[mint hound]

Oh ok

That answered my next question

[strange palm]

...just looked in the purchase certs shop.... I haven't even bought the first copy of Ethan from it

[mint hound]

Since day 1 I've been under the assumption it stacked compound

Damn

[glass monolith]

Multiplication joins room if wording goes something like "Deal 200% of ATK"

[limpid siren]

yea

that's atk_scale, and is multiplicative with atk% and other sources of atk_scale

easiest way to know for sure whether it's atk% or atk_scale is to consult an external wiki like prts

aceship should too? but idr

[pearl compass]

Wow, I get answer to question that I afraid to ask.

Because I hate maths.

[limpid siren]

[pearl compass]

[limpid siren]

the mechanics sheet in the pins is pretty outdated, but should still be fine for laying out the basic formulae the game uses for damage calculation

[glass monolith]

Damage reduction is multiplicative

(We are not Limbus who has it fucking additive )

[pearl compass]

[queen axle]

whats with the limbus slander recently

[pearl compass]

Thanks to Limbus collab, we have new bodies.

[strange palm]

guys should i buy copies of Ethan in the certs shop or should I try and figure out another potential workaround for the 380-enemy point for annihilation?

[pearl compass]

You have Ascalon?

[glass monolith]

I don't see how more copies of anyone help anywhere

[limpid siren]

ethan copies are only worth if you play 4* only, or some other weird restricted team format

[strange palm]

who?

[limpid siren]

6* ambusher

[pearl compass]

Ok. Don't answer.

Do you have GreyAlter?

[strange palm]

again, who?

[pearl compass]

Ok don't answer to that either.

[limpid siren]

don't bother with the ethan copies lol

[glass monolith]

Do you have issue with specific enemy or what exactly is issue to consider Ethan dupes as solution?

[limpid siren]

unless you really like him

[strange palm]

Masses' Travels is the most recent time I've come back to the game since playing regularly 3 years back

[strange palm]

crystal floor airdrop on the right side immediately followed by bouncing unicycle teamsweep

[glass monolith]

Spawn kill birds with something?

[strange palm]

brief summary of my "who?" is "I haven't played in ages so a lot of new units are unknown beings to me and I likely won't have them"

[mint hound]

Basically what I was trying to do was stack a bunch of buffs on Horn, her skill gives +90%, her talent gives +20%, plus other buffs from other operators being: +420, +15%, +36%, +50%, +20%, 30%

But since the percentage buffs are additive not compounding the order of how they stack doesn't really matter

[strange palm]

my closest ally for that is Exu but that'll still leave time for floors to crystalize

[pearl compass]

By "who" I get it that you don't have that character in roster.

Looks like you need to repeat guide with Wis, plus adding multihit ops or who can attack fast to destroy crystal floor fast. Especially on left side, since it buffs Claw Mummies.

[mint hound]

So my understanding of the order is: skill, talent, other operators, then inspiration

Is that correct

[limpid siren]

uhh

[glass monolith]

Clearing floor take a lot of hits, like 10 to clear floor you attacking and 20 per each adjusted floor (and stupid targeting won't consider attacking unclear floor for speed up).

[limpid siren]

-> ramped by atk% (stacks additively) 
-> add Inspire 
-> ramped by atk_scale (stacks multiplicatively) 
-> def/res check 
-> ramped by dmg_scale (stacks multiplicatively)```

it's more like this

[queen axle]

is it a bad thing or a good thing

[limpid siren]

dmg_scale is stuff like Fragile

[mint hound]

So what exactly is atk scale

[mint hound]

Ah

[pearl compass]

"Deal 200% of ATK" skill ahh thing.

[glass monolith]

"deal X% of ATK" wording on stuff

[limpid siren]

atk_scale is simply the name in the code for stuff like "deal X% of ATK as Y dmg type"

[strange palm]

no Idea here, I was trapped in this place already, I just lost my house keys for a bit

[mint hound]

Ok, that answered my other question

[queen axle]

[pearl compass]

Plus Damage Reduction, aka DR.

[glass monolith]

dmg_scale includes damage reduction which reduces damage

[limpid siren]

you generally only find it in an operator's skill/talent, and it can't be gifted to another op

[mint hound]

So like horn s2 "deal 40% of atk as arts"

Which I understand as 40% additional damage

[limpid siren]

that's correct

[mint hound]

Ok

[glass monolith]

Oh also there is this "5% of ATK" as lowest damage you can inflict if enemy DEF/RES too high. That rule kick in before dmg_scale

[south spindle]

because it says "extra" for horn S2

[mint hound]

Is there a difference between +90% and atk deals 190% base atk

[strange palm]

should I swap Cuora for Canta on the squad to have a faster attacker to put on the right once I get to the hell-point?

[limpid siren]

yes

[mint hound]

Ok

[south spindle]

yes because of how attack buff stacking works

it matters when you play IS

[limpid siren]

the difference is when it applies

[south spindle]

Attack scale triumps almost always, benefits from most buffs with least dilution

[glass monolith]

Well there is difference the moment you consider adding more ATK into mix, inspire won't get buffed by +90%, other +% will get added to +90% / multiplied by 190%

[south spindle]

Also, attack steal is the same phase as inspiration

Debuffs is after inspire/steal, (multiplicative), and is the very last thing to occur usuually to the attack stat

everything after is the damage phase

attack scale is apart of the damage phase

[queen axle]

[mint hound]

So buffs that are applied, in context of attack deals X% of base damage, any +X% is considered base damage for the "deals X% of base damage"

[rich plover]

Not enough damage from me

Maybe it's my Exu Alter being level 60?

[foggy grove]

on who

[rich plover]

Mechanist

[limpid siren]

that's correct

[mint hound]

Ok

[limpid siren]

put simply, when you click on an operator and see their modified atk stat during a stage, that's usually going to be the number that atk_scale looks at when it starts its part of the calculation

[foggy grove]

you can take -def buff or use ely s2

[south spindle]

Mechanist has 1500 defense,
Don't think lvl 60 Exu would do signficiantly less than lvl 90
Mastery, Mod level, potentials would matter more

Oh still 60K HP

Sounds like it could be close now that I do the math

But should still work out fine with some rng on talent no?

[mint hound]

So this would look more like base atk+211% (40% from overcharge)+420 (skalter inspire)+90% @limpid siren

[rich plover]

There's the shield no?

[pearl compass]

50 hits, yes.

[foggy grove]

exu will shred it fast ye

[rich plover]

I used S2 tho

[foggy grove]

maybe i'll see if s3m0 does it better

[south spindle]

Uh all the other operator buffs are additive
her talent is also additive to that
but for her skill +90% which skill is that

[mint hound]

S2

[south spindle]

S2 is a atk scale

[mint hound]

Yes

[south spindle]

bAtk * (1 + all buffs (including talent) * (2.4) for physical damage

[limpid siren]

sl7 i think

so 1.9

[south spindle]

bAtk * (1 + all buffs (including talent) * (0.6) for arts damage

Ah sl7

so 1.9 ya

[limpid siren]

but yea it's as light listed

[south spindle]

Oh i just saw the inspire

apply inspire before the scale

(1.9 phys / 0.4 arts)

fwiw i did Horn average DPS on all 3 skills

modx3? was it

the one that buffs her defender talent

S1 - Black
S2 - Blue
S3 - Red

[limpid siren]

you can use a site like https://aceship.github.io/AN-EN-Tags/akhrchars.html to find out what's atk% and what's atk_scale

[south spindle]

S2 seems like her worst skill by a few slivers

[narrow pendant]

But her burst is fun

[south spindle]

and even this can sometimes lie to you

they kind of go through game files for this info, and are stripping variable names...

and devs being devs sometimes do as they please

mostly reliable but i never check it

[limpid siren]

mousse negative buff moment

[south spindle]

i do the math, then test it on a spine of epoch

💀

[vital vessel]

that's tedious

[foggy grove]

i tried modless and masteryless exus2,it's pretty close
should be doable with ely s2

[vital vessel]

is your is5 without skill tree or smt

[mint hound]

Basically what I'm asking is after the +X% and inspiration is applied does the "atk deals X% of atk" get applied as +X%

[limpid siren]

no

[vital vessel]

no

[limpid siren]

it does what it says on the tin

it takes your modified atk stat, multiplies that by the stated %

then slaps a bitch

[mint hound]

Ok, it says deals 190% of atk, not +190%

[limpid siren]

that's correct

[jovial nest]

btw is there something going on with AK servers in global? It feels like it's struggling with the internet connection/loading but my internet looks fine everywhere else

[vital vessel]

to make it easier for you atk deals x% of atk is enemies side of being damaged, doesn't apply on your atk stat

i.e on hit

[rich plover]

The issue is Mechanist shooting him down

[vital vessel]

+x% is applying it on your atk stat

[mint hound]

So are you saying it's before or after enemy def

[limpid siren]

before def

[vital vessel]

before

[limpid siren]

❓

[glass monolith]

More or less fine on my end. Well at least for man who login, sweep sanity and go back to my PC video card not responding for hour

[vital vessel]

sex

[cerulean hawk]

Light said it earlier

all attack stuff happens

then attack scale is the start of the damage phase

attack scale is calculated, then reductions like flat DEF or RES by percent

[vital vessel]

honestly bro just browse mechanics sheets on #help pin @mint hound

[cerulean hawk]

And after that, damage scales but thats something else if applicable

Even wiki has the mechanics

[pearl breach]

DR comes last right? After everything being calculated

[glass monolith]

Max(whatever damage you got with DEF/RES reduction, 5% ATK) happens before damage scale

Telling as person who had bright idea to Aciddrop on DR enemy

[vital vessel]

5% min damage 🥹

[foggy grove]

just to make sure you do have -20% deff buff on right?

[rich plover]

I do yes

I have other operators

[mint hound]

So you take X atk (after buffs) and apply deals X% of atk, is that not just taking X% of the atk (after buffs) and adding it to the atk stat

Or am I just not understanding at all

[glass monolith]

"My shit dies to 960 damage 24 times" "But did you took -20% def"

[foggy grove]

this is modless,masteryless exu
you can wait till the lemuen wanted mark applies

[full stream]

🎦

[foggy grove]

kill first before being killed

[glass monolith]

(2+2)x2 = 2+2+4, idk what you seek

[queen axle]

just bait the 3x3 aoe nuke, mechanic does no dmg off
that pre vec12

[limpid siren]

you don't add it to the atk stat
the X% is already modifying the atk stat, the result of that final calculation is your outgoing damage

[mint hound]

Ig what I'm confused on is how exactly it's getting applied to the atk, how is it modifying the atk stat when it's the last thing to get applied if it's not adding to the atk

[limpid siren]

u just take your listed atk stat and find X% of that

that's your outdoing damage

[mint hound]

It's got to be making that number bigger somewhere when it's before enemy def

[limpid siren]

e.g. 4267 atk; 140% atk_scale = 5973.8 expected damage taken (before reductions)

[mint hound]

X+90% is the same number as X*190%

[glass monolith]

Because that just how math works. "Does 200% of ATK as something" is part of damage calculation. It won't be displayed on your character because it is not a change of their stats, it is calculation of damage to enemy

[mint hound]

So it doesn't show that it adds to the atk stat even though it technically does is my understanding of that

[limpid siren]

it doesn't add to the atk stat

[vital vessel]

it does show, when you attack the enemy

[limpid siren]

is why people are arguing against this

[glass monolith]

If I have 100 ATK, and get +50% attack, it will display 150 ATK when I select operator, if I then do 200% of ATK to enemy I still have 150 ATK, but damage my attack does is 300

[vital vessel]

red number?

[limpid siren]

red number is just >1.5* expected damage

expected damage being the game looking at your listed atk stat and running a calc against enemy def/res

[glass monolith]

Red 0 is the funniest amount of damage (getting Red on chapter 8 bird when it goes invulnerable to produce DoT)

[pearl compass]

Crit 0.

[glass monolith]

Bleed

[mint hound]

Instead of +90% it's atk×1.9

That's the damage before enemy def

[pearl compass]

I still remember 3.999.997 damage to Eik by Schwarz.

[mint hound]

Like in the example you gave it would be atk×2

[glass monolith]

You can see +X% ATK and Inspire ATK when you select operator. You won't "see" deals % of ATK because it is stats of attack not operator.

[mint hound]

It doesn't add to the stat but it's a multiplier applied to the damage

[queen axle]

is the screenshot lost media