strategy

[full terrace]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8UmQTZ1xz_U

Guys you gotta watch this

Ecko snapped

[wintry gulch]

He did indeed crash out

[full terrace]

Understandably so, that guy's comments were pretty hurtful

Making guides takes time and effort bro, it's not easy especially for us who got life out there

People like Kyo and Ecko, they make guides as soon as possible when an event released, I admire their dedication

Now that I make guides as well, I can tell they poured a lot of time and effort to record those. Personally, I'm struggling to upload on first or second day of the event like them because I dont have that much time on my hand

And if the stage is hard, like that accursed BB-S-4 it could even take days to work on that one stage alone

I had 534 deleted videos before that BB-S-4 video is uploaded, imagine doing 500 retakes and then someone just called is trash, sure will crush my spirit 😂

[astral cosmos]

valid crashout

average ragebait comment, though

[lofty stag]

Btw bro who made the original comment ended up using a diff guide

[full terrace]

Shadow something something, you can look it up at his BB-5 video

Low-End one

In the comment section

[wintry gulch]

[astral cosmos]

How to Effectively Ragebait: Tip #1

[wintry gulch]

Another guide with the same operators what is this guy yapping about 🥀

Ragebait indeed

[full terrace]

He also commented some on Ecko's BB-6

[next wigeon]

Its better to ignore these ignorant bozos tbh since they don't know how to appreciate timely help

[astral cosmos]

nope, they're just ragebaiting. not a single genuine thought behind these comments aside from baiting people into replying angrily

[smoky halo]

just call them skill issue and move on 🚬

[astral cosmos]

the only correct approach

[lofty stag]

So he’s just baiting got it

What else would one expect from the great shadowandpain7855

[glass monolith]

Just call me and i will skill issue on his comments if he does that again

[vestal badge]

i have E2 thorns now (lvl 10 with SL4 ) can i do bb-8 now?

i can consistently manual it but i want auto

[pearl compass]

If you have Mlynar.

[full terrace]

Definitely

Run S3

Make it SL7 tho

[vestal badge]

where to farm device

should i farm it itself or the lower tier mat

[full terrace]

Uh.. farming outside event is gonna be massive pain in the

...rear

There is a sheet somewhere you can ask around in #help

Some stages have higher % drop rate

[copper solstice]

/material in bot-spam

[vestal badge]

is it worth it for the auto or should i just suffer for 3 more days with wisadel support lmao

[full terrace]

It's worth it, you might need Thorns for the next event too

I mean to make auto on the next event

Also there is like few dead days after Babel

You can use your Thorns to farm this and farm that

Maybe do some IS deep inve

Or something

[vestal badge]

ngl i did IS "monthly" runs for the chips i was missing, really clutch

[full terrace]

Yeah you are suppose to do that

[leaden sierra]

I have a feeling all the 4*s need is a simple bard, and maybe they'll be able to reduce it down to 11 ops. The lack of buffing options makes it needlessly difficult. Still, the fact that a 12 op clear is possible is insane and super impressive.

[vestal badge]

btw what do you mean by deep inve

oh investigation

[full terrace]

Deep Investigation

Yeah

[vestal badge]

i dont have that unlocked

[full terrace]

You should do Monthly as well

[leaden sierra]

Start a regular run, then fail/win, you'll unlock them then.

[vestal badge]

monthly i do when i dont have sanity

[full terrace]

Deep Investigation gives you like

[vestal badge]

deep invest requires an ending

[full terrace]

T4 T5 mats

[vestal badge]

oh...i need lower tier mats

[full terrace]

You need those mats to Mastery 3 your Thorns as well

Thats what I meant

[vestal badge]

the device known as "device"

[vestal badge]

those i can spawn from the vouchers

[full terrace]

Yeah for this you can err..

Use bot spam channel

Your vouchers are not limitless 😏

[vestal badge]

should i spend them on something else?

heard star is good

[full terrace]

Star?

[astral cosmos]

rma70?

[full terrace]

Oh that

[vestal badge]

h15-232Z or whatever its called

yeah

[full terrace]

We call it durian

[astral cosmos]

we also call it just rma

[full terrace]

Yeah tickets are best spent on that

I think its the hardest to farm

Mandra has the highest rate iirc

But man.. that stage is like what

6 mins long

[astral cosmos]

she does iirc

but like

farming rma/gel/alloy/etc outside of events

[full terrace]

I have the lineup and even I gave up autoing that

[full terrace]

Yeah not recommended

[vestal badge]

so farm device for thorns skill or continue manualling gel

[full terrace]

I'd say you farm Device to at least Lv7 Thorns skill

Lv7 doesnt cost that much

Then with that Lv7 skill, make auto for the Gels

I'll help you make that auto

[vestal badge]

bot says s3-4 is best for device so ill do that

[astral cosmos]

if you need to punctually farm materials for an immediate upgrade, you can
it's mid/long term farming that's not advised

the better options are usually to farm events (like you are trying to do rn, I understand that ofc) and strategically using material vouchers and shop for more scarce materials

[vestal badge]

😭 leaked in the story farming stage wth

forgot the enemies can walk over the wisadel spikes

ok got s3l7

should i mastery uit first? @full terrace

[still vessel]

You can ask #help instead of pinging arf

And yes, you always mastery if you use them

[vestal badge]

they specifically told me to call them when i get lvl7

[still vessel]

Which op, which skill?

[vestal badge]

👍

thorns s3

[still vessel]

You can mastery, since he’ll be your dps option for a bit

Is silverash done?

[vestal badge]

the question was whether they can help me auto with just lvl 7 and no mastery

what silverash

i dont have one

[still vessel]

Who’d you get from the selector?

[vestal badge]

thorns

[still vessel]

Oh alr

[full terrace]

Here you go @vestal badge

You were the one with E2 Ptilopsis right?

[vestal badge]

ye

thank you!

[full terrace]

I borrowed that Thorns from a random person, that's a Lv7 skill

It should be a pretty accurate simulation

Right side I remember you had no more issue by adding 1 more Medic

This should give you a stable auto then

[latent halo]

any good mat planner ?

[astral cosmos]

https://krooster.com

[vestal badge]

1 shot cardigan

[full terrace]

Thats why you bait like shown in the video

[vestal badge]

when i baited it killed the baiter then cardigan

[full terrace]

Did you make the chain properly or not

Ptilopsis must be chained to the Medic at the bottom

Deploy order matters here

[vestal badge]

like when i do 1:50 he goes for the placed unit, kills it then recharges to kill cardigan

[full terrace]

Yeah its your chain

[vestal badge]

can i show

[full terrace]

Sure

[vestal badge]

ends of the earth vc

[full terrace]

I cant do vc, gimme a screenshot when it happens

[vestal badge]

ok

erm what

how did ptilosis die

oh its cause thorns had enemies?

so he couldnt attack the snipers

on earlier try i had plume there for longer so he had help

[full terrace]

You need to activate Thorns skill when it's available

[vestal badge]

i did

[full terrace]

Right away

[vestal badge]

yep

[full terrace]

No you did not

That screenshot alone he has his skill available

[vestal badge]

he got it after she died

[full terrace]

Your Ptilopsis is E2 she wont die

Its just your timing

In my guide I had an E1 Hibiscus, and thats already more than enough

Aint no way E2 Ptilopsis dies

[vestal badge]

ohhhh

now i understand why it's not one to one

im behind by like 3 or 4 dp

[full terrace]

Thats fine

The only thing that matters

Is the Plume redeployment

Which you can substitute

With Gravel

The Plume redeployment to make chain to Ptilopsis*

[vestal badge]

ill try again

[full terrace]

Also

You can deploy Thorns first

And then Hibiscus

Tho I'm pretty sure Hibiscus > Thorns has no issue

[leaden sierra]

Doesn't your Liskarm have like 450 DEF? Why not use her instead of Cardigan to avoid one shot?

[vestal badge]

im here

[full terrace]

Yah and that looks good

Also yes you can use Liskarm instead of Cardigan

[vestal badge]

i wasnt lying, she actually dies lmao

do i use her skill now to make sure she's safe?

[full terrace]

No need

Deploy your Mountain

Temporarily

[vestal badge]

where?

[full terrace]

Behind her

Or Gravel also works

[vestal badge]

on the sniper?

[full terrace]

He/she will bait some attacks from the Snipers

[full terrace]

Yes, to kill it

[vestal badge]

erm

[full terrace]

Activate your Hibiscus to heal up

Did you use Spot's skill?

[vestal badge]

i followed you

lmao

ill do it

[full terrace]

No need to follow me to a T, you need to observe and adjust, I didnt heal up because I didnt see my Spot dying

If yours is dying you should heal up

[vestal badge]

that guy is backdooring wth

[full terrace]

Which direction it came from

Left or right

[vestal badge]

left

[full terrace]

Left shouldnt

Your Thorns should have killed em

[vestal badge]

i know it shouldnt

😭

[full terrace]

If it's coming from the top

It should be awhile til it reaches that tile

You can retreat all your right side

Afrer they are done

Then deploy someone quick to block it

[vestal badge]

that timing was after i placed the defender in the bottom and the right side still had 3 enemy units

[full terrace]

Did you activate Thorns' skill a bit late?

[vestal badge]

right after melantha's

[full terrace]

You cannot use Melantha as a marker

Look at Thorns' SP bar

When it fills up and his skill is ready, use it right away

Your Melantha ≠ my Melantha because of skill level etc

When you get everything right, do this maneuver dont forget #strategy message

[vestal badge]

manuver time

so after he passes the halfway point?

[full terrace]

Look at the shadow below

When it's slightly off center

Slightly above the center line

[vestal badge]

you mean the bit near the wire of the dagger?

or actual shadow blob

[full terrace]

Dont mind the sprite

Look at the shadow below

The circle

Below his feet

[vestal badge]

the moment that moves i place?

[full terrace]

The moment the shadow is above

The center line

That yellow box is the tile

Green line is center line

When you see its shadow (red circle) is slightly above

[vestal badge]

cool

[full terrace]

The center line

Deploy your Gravel

[vestal badge]

he got to 1/3 hp then tped above thorns and killed him

it worked for like 4 seconds

[full terrace]

How much HP does your Thorns have

[vestal badge]

2119

292 def

393*

[full terrace]

Assassin has 1500 Attack, when doing the stabbing attack, it does 200% Physical Damage

So 3000 damage

3000-393 = 2607

Yeah still dies

[vestal badge]

level 60 still dies

[full terrace]

You need to level him up until his HP+Defense is higher than 3000

It's Trust level mostly

[vestal badge]

88 is the first one above 3000

he's the leader in my base

[full terrace]

Wait hold on

How much HP does Liskarm have

[vestal badge]

even less lol

1903

[full terrace]

Defense?

[vestal badge]

452

skill issue? (level her skill more?)

[full terrace]

No hmm

Do this instead

This is tricky but you can do it

Instead of deploying Liskarm

Deploy Gravel

On that Liskarm tile

Let the Assassin walk up to her

And stab her

Slow down your play speed by selecting any unit

Right at the moment the Assassin stabs Gravel

And she dies

Deploy Liskarm right away

On that dead Gravel tile

You must do it swiftly

Before the Assassin starts walking

Here like this @vestal badge

Now after you get this setup, deploy your Mountain on the Assassin tile

And have Mountain punch him

Also retreat your Thorns and deploy Spot above Liskarm

[vestal badge]

Should i have mountain on s1 for this then?

[full terrace]

After the Assassin dashes, Spot will catch it and it will kill Spot

Then you redeploy Thorns on that tile

[full terrace]

No S2, keep it

Here, this is the logic @vestal badge

Basically after you get that setup, retreat Thorns otherwise when the Assassin dashes he will be killed

You then deploy your Mountain to punch it while waiting for Thorns' redeployment

Deploy Spot above Cardigan/Liskarm to catch the dashing Assassin

When its HP drops to 50% and it dashes, Spot will catch it

And it will stab Spot, instantly killing him

Not you redeploy your Thorns and finish it off

[vestal badge]

My thorns redeploys 8 seconds later, no?

[full terrace]

Nah your Mountain punches slower

Mine is at E2

But if you are unsure

You can wait a bit more

Wait until Thorns cooldown is over

Then you deploy Mountain

Just make sure you redeploy Hibiscus first to help with the healing

[scarlet fulcrum]

If thats ur worry, thorns facing down would be better. tho u still need to manage the snipers, less rng too

fenced tile facing down

[full terrace]

There are 2 Snipers heading up there, Thorns facing left is fine, his Ptilopsis is also pretty weak, that Thorns needs to kill the Snipers quickly to reduce healing pressure on Ptilopsis

Redeployment is not a big issue

It just adds +XX secs to the auto

Not a big deal

[scarlet fulcrum]

Also can do one jump, pass. Then block again. But like yea rng still rng on frame drop. Unless they outstat it

oh snipers can be baited just fine

[full terrace]

I know Snipers can be baited. He also needs to tank the 3 Grand Knights at the opening, and he barely has the DP to deploy everything in time

Why are you so dead set on putting Thorns on fenced tile

Just to save XX secs auto

Over stability

[scarlet fulcrum]

Im not?

[full terrace]

You are

You either are or you are just trolling

[scarlet fulcrum]

lol

[full terrace]

Thats my line lol

You are a funny guy

[scarlet fulcrum]

yeah sure

[full terrace]

It is fact, yes sure

[plucky grove]

speaking of stable autos, my auto just broke today

this one

i just remade it, works fine again

not sure why this happens so often, autos suddenly start to consistently fail

[glass monolith]

Lists of reasons why auto might decide to unexist itself is longer than explanation to hardest stages

[plucky grove]

it almost feels like the seed gets rerolled randomly

[fringe solstice]

leveling operators used can do it and fps loss

[plucky grove]

didnt level anyone, dont think fps loss is an issue, it was working fine on two different devices, and today it suddenly failed 100% of the time

[glass monolith]

Something might have trust gained ATK to kill something else at different timing leading to lancers being blocked at different timing idk

[plucky grove]

everyone was max trust

no changes in stats occurred

ill stop complaining about it though, ive complained a few times already and there wasnt a concrete answer

[full terrace]

Arknights' AI is super dumb anyway

[astral cosmos]

there really isn't

autodeploy fucks up and it's been like this for years
why? because it's stupid

[full terrace]

For stability, if you can kill something at 100% make you sure you do enough for 200%

[fringe solstice]

My EA-8 had different results and it was difficult to trust farm. I gave up in the end and farmed using full squad.

[plucky grove]

im used to doing low op autos for farming stages, been doing it for a few years, but it feels like theyve become more and more unstable the past year in particular

[leaden sierra]

That boss has like an internal rng. It is the most inconsistent enemy out there, and the main reason I didn't bother experimenting with that stage. So always overdo it.

[plucky grove]

i remember originium dust boss was infamous for breaking autos around the time that was running, but back then i think it was pretty much an exception, i didnt hear about any other stages being nearly as bad

[astral cosmos]

OD event was one of the worst we've had in terms of autodeploy

so it makes sense

[plucky grove]

ok i have a theory
the enemy dodge rng is inconsistent
so, i'm going to replace pepe with ntrk

im not sure why i didnt think about doing this earlier, this also beats the stage faster

[full terrace]

I could be wrong but I think the dodge seeds are saved

My Ling solo auto never broke

And I know for certain that first dragon survival is complete RNG because of the dodge

[plucky grove]

i believe they are, but i cant think of any other explanation for why my autos are breaking

the last time i had an auto break was logos mysteriously not proccing talent after a certain auto so i dont really trust the rng anymore lol

seems to break whenever you dont think it should break

[plucky grove]

this was 15-9 2op

[full terrace]

The only auto I know that consistently breaks is Wisadel's Souvenir RNG

I find the others at like 80% stable, I'm happy with that

[lapis hornet]

shouldn't rly rely on rng seed

also you sure you didn't get mod levels or smth

[plucky grove]

im pretty sure yes, typhon mod3, pepe mod2, horn mody 2

[elder flume]

Wonder if Roberta just trivializes BB-8

[scarlet fulcrum]

The last time i had rng quite long time ago, coped low level farm on FN. Quite heavy on frame drop so makes sense. It only have like 3 different scenario so adapted just fine

[storm ferry]

hi how do i beat this stage, i have these people

the last few enemies completely destroy anything i have

[indigo helm]

ofc it's babel 5....

oh nvm it's not babel 5

[maiden hound]

nope! bb-6

[indigo helm]

yeah I'm having

troubles

on bb5

💀

[maiden hound]

can you setup someone to block top left like sa + healer?

[indigo helm]

event end in 3 days I'm gonna kms

hang on

[maiden hound]

also click use s2

[indigo helm]

i thought using casters here kind of suck since every fucking enemy has god awful high res

[maiden hound]

the claw guys have low res but that's it. yeah can swap for more phys units

[indigo helm]

I use winscoot to clear those guys ngl

ignorning dodge is very good

is this good enough to clear bb5?

[maiden hound]

probably? just need to spam chains
also why is windscoot on s1

[indigo helm]

????

indeed why thats fucking stupid LOL

changed

[indigo helm]

so a formation like this? maybe?

[maiden hound]

also wait why is cliffheart there? she's not needed

[indigo helm]

I thought her S2 stun + true dmg would be good for crowd control...

🥹

[maiden hound]

you can congregrate on the right side only with humus cutter on chains next to burdenbeast, shu tanking and prob swap in shira for kroos to kill enemy?

[fringe solstice]

while this is true, the burdenbeasts have large hp pool and low defense. Dps and using chains is better

[indigo helm]

hmmmm yeah fair

I could swap her for Exusai

Exusiai

[indigo helm]

should prolly swap humus for his s2 too

E1ing my Exusiai before I give the stage a go

[elder flume]

Shu uses S1 btw

[indigo helm]

oh fr?

like is it jsut better? I've always been using s2 this entire time.

[elder flume]

S2 works if youre long range healing or not tanking

if not then S1 is faster and more consistent healing

when Shu is tanking low chance for her to be healing not herself

[indigo helm]

aaaaah I see

[elder flume]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1bp421X7YA/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

wonder if this works for you

hm prob not since Shu is tanking big damage

[indigo helm]

🥹

[elder flume]

Actually cant you ditch your Shu and borrow E1 max Shu

[indigo helm]

[elder flume]

Works for the vid albeit finnicky since its going low end

[indigo helm]

I could probably

[elder flume]

Alternative is using your E2 ticket on prob Tequila and borrow Ling or Wis

[indigo helm]

one of my friends luckily has shu at e1

well maxed but shhh

so I can pull it off...

[elder flume]

Hm

So Roberta does cheese BB-8

Problem is dps

[latent jasper]

kroos :DD

[indigo helm]

i just let shu tank everything

yeah, I think I might be cooked for the bb6 level, dunno if I can clear it.

[elder flume]

You can
Its just i dont have the ops to simulate a close enough clear

[indigo helm]

mhmmmm

I'm gonna try

[elder flume]

Removing Shirayuki Courier Ethan is what i would do

Humus S1

Then it all relies on Exu Cutter Humus to deal with everything

[indigo helm]

is Humus S1 just better?

[elder flume]

Kina situational ig

I just use S1 since its easier

S2 if you can time the waves prob better

[storm ferry]

thanks this kinda worked

[indigo helm]

do levels matter that much? the 50 cap is scaring me so I leveld em to 40 lol

I feel I can clear this and I got far but the problem is the dps of the claw dudes and lancer killing my units and then I'm FUCKED

[elder flume]

more for phys dmg

[indigo helm]

yeaaah hhhhrgn

[elder flume]

[somber falcon]

where's your e2 5*?

[indigo helm]

for reasons beyond my understanding I e2 Franka LMAO

[elder flume]

oh use her then

[full stream]

🎦

[somber falcon]

just bring her then

[elder flume]

def ignore dps

[indigo helm]

aren't all of those enemies extremely low def anyways?

[elder flume]

doesnt care

[indigo helm]

ah well whateve rI'm stupid

[elder flume]

chain cutters are 700 def anyways

can prob make a dent

[indigo helm]

oh fair

oh yeah those dudes have high def and res maybe the can work here

[elder flume]

you get access to E2 borrow when shes in squad

[full stream]

but u wanna auto deploy so lets avoid borrowing

[indigo helm]

I'm close

the problem is the lancers at the final wave.

[elder flume]

you can choose not to block them and just chain + range

[indigo helm]

current squad btw.

[elder flume]

block the chain cutters instead

[indigo helm]

oh yeah that's true winscoot was just

sitting there.....doing nothing.

omg those chain cutters bruhhh

what a fucking annoying enemy

jesus christ

[indigo helm]

ad to use support but I cleared

don't think I can 3 star without a support unit ngl.

(basically all my skills are level 4 and I'm one level below)

I'll at least try to clear the other stages with support but I need to get farming for levels.

[full stream]

Just auto the highest stage u can until u cleared shop if u have done that and still can't proceed further just focus on base #bot-spam /base/baseskills

[indigo helm]

I'll probably do that

which was bb5 or bb4 whatever

[serene hornet]

[indigo helm]

wait no it was def bb5

welp I'll just farm cuz no way I'm clearing that loooool

[full terrace]

How new are you? Do you have at least the 3 Stars at E1 Lv55?

[indigo helm]

I have some 3 stars at E1 but not LV55

i'm like

decently new?

I basically

[full terrace]

Here https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdcpPSF3owK5RSfSPS7iyUCNcmrBg8xVO you can make auto with those

[indigo helm]

entered the game a year or so ago, stopped

then came back

[full terrace]

Add your own built ops to make things easier

Also clear until BB-EX-8 at least

They are pretty free

[indigo helm]

Thing is most of my operators are level 40 and skill level 4.... not sure if I could since I'm running out exp to y'know level up units

Unless I could somehow do without.

[full terrace]

You can dw, just add your own E2 unit

[indigo helm]

yeah I got

[full terrace]

You got a free E2 Voucher which you should have spent on Tequila

[indigo helm]

Franka E2....

[indigo helm]

I'm STUPID

[full stream]

Doable

[full terrace]

Yah okay bring that Franka along

She will help

[indigo helm]

🥹

right right

[topaz tapir]

Where's the BB-8 strats again

[elder flume]

Ugh might have to face Hibiscus right instead

[indigo helm]

i'm the fucking god of motion

(those guides help a lot)

albeit bb8 and ahead......might be a problem.

[elder flume]

BB-8 is easy for you since you have Humus and Red

Humus just clears 1 side

[indigo helm]

oh based

[elder flume]

Red cancels assassin

.

[indigo helm]

oooh

wdym by humus clear 1 side? where would I place him?

[elder flume]

left or right side chain tile up to you

if left have to wait for lancers to pass

[indigo helm]

oh right

gonna probably try using your video as a guide later I'm

tired as hell

bb7 took me a lot of brain power

(using specialists to trip over the huge goats)

[vestal badge]

plume start is more dp than gravel start btw

[elder flume]

went with Gravel due to rdp timer

since there needs to be someone on ground to chain Kroos > stall left lancer wave but can be removed by faster Popukar deploy > remove assassin 200% mult

and Kroos is dying with Spot off skill

[azure roost]

[topaz tapir]

This strat does not work with Thorns 😭

[umbral mountain]

works

but uh

couldn't u use gravel to stop the charge?

[topaz tapir]

No

[mild wind]

nonono

this is because you didnt understand that SA and thorns serves differently

thorns will definitely die if he blocks assassin

[dapper hedge]

Thorns is too slow

[topaz tapir]

What do I do then cuz I've been stuck here for 3 days now

[dapper hedge]

[topaz tapir]

Legit what do I even do

Btw I can't borrow cuz I need to farm gel

[mild wind]

tequila first facing down on the tile SA / mlynar / your thorns were on

thorns face left (ig) on transverse

[umbral mountain]

@topaz tapir this is how I do mines

[mild wind]

tequila will be the one killing assassin

[topaz tapir]

wow

I don't have those units

[umbral mountain]

all can be replaced

u don't have SA?

[topaz tapir]

I do not

I chose Thorns over SA

[umbral mountain]

Uhh who's ur burst guard

[topaz tapir]

Tequila only lol

[mild wind]

ya judging from the squad its only tequila

[topaz tapir]

This is everything I have rn btw

[mild wind]

yeah just him

[umbral mountain]

ah

[mild wind]

give me a moment

ill show

while im at it as i forgot to fucking check my base

5 hours ago

[umbral mountain]

Why are all ur defenders underleveled besides cuora

Anyways u can use cuora to stall

Or maybe level ur cardigan to e1 55

She have a lot of hp

Because of her talent and high base stats

[mild wind]

ok wait you need gravel or any sort of bait for this

tequila is slower so the chain revealing effect wears off

[topaz tapir]

Wdym

My Spot is Lv55

Also isn't Gummy and Beagle better than Cardigan

[mild wind]

yep

lemme rerun to see if thorns is better on right and pluma on left

[umbral mountain]

I mean I guess? I don't use gummy because I have nearl

[topaz tapir]

what level and skill levels tho

[umbral mountain]

Also cardigan have 6% max hp as talent

so she's tanky as fuck

[mild wind]

tequila is lvl60 sl7

maybe this is better for you

[umbral mountain]

Oh right I forgot to mention

Gravel should be sl7

If ur using her

[mild wind]

if cant afford, its ok for this stage

i ploped her to reveal assassin again and he just blinked thru her and blocked by spot

[pearl breach]

Is this for bb8?

[topaz tapir]

Yes

[pearl breach]

Mind borrowing? Dont worry its gonna be easy to follow

[mild wind]

my pluma is s1m3 but e1 sl7 is enough

[topaz tapir]

I only have SL6 fuck

[mild wind]

just try it first

you wont know if its enough or not until you trial n error

[pearl breach]

@topaz tapir you can try this if you want. (degen support units)

Thorn is only sl7. Not that really matters. Since the left one only spawn garbage mobs except those jet pack guy

[leaden sierra]

damn, thorns just tanked that. Noice (still they should probably use a medic there if full squad).

[topaz tapir]

I can't borrow

[mild wind]

thats a lvl90 mod3 btw

mine is lvl60 and dies to two chargers

can tank one

[pearl breach]

Yep. You need medic but thats fine since you have plenty room to add many ops

[leaden sierra]

Gravel bait, then tank probably

[leaden sierra]

this looks very doable, even without degen, hmm

[mild wind]

it definitely should

i made a strat based on their roster

[topaz tapir]

My Pluma just died

[dapper hedge]

If blaze cant survive the first wave of lancers just use medic skills

[mild wind]

to who exactly? charger?

[topaz tapir]

Yeah the first one

[dapper hedge]

Or tequila skills to help clean

[mild wind]

then ig i overestimated her statstick on e1

[dapper hedge]

Hibi can be any other medic

[mild wind]

or ya you could just

[topaz tapir]

Uh....
Gravel and Tequila E2.

[mild wind]

put a defnder just beside blue box

if tequila doesnt recharge in time, plop another damage dealer

[topaz tapir]

Did that and they died too

[mild wind]

???

ok idk anymore other than.. level your units

[dapper hedge]

Gravel lv dont matter much

[topaz tapir]

Uh.

Maybe I should just

Farm stages at this point

[mild wind]

there are at least 3 open / flex slot so you couldve added more damage, bait or healing

other than that at this point its just investment

for right side its genuinely fang for DP, kroos and thorns / pluma for damage and its already afk since they made chains
youll need to focus for left side

[topaz tapir]

is thorns left side harder

[mild wind]

well he needs to charge

his downtime damage is bad

while the chargers need to die quick before starting to oneshot him

theres also an alternative that you let the two charges pass thru transverse and immediately drop gravel so tequila can hit it, then thorns can tank another

tho maybe you need more DP

[serene hornet]

Grate tho

[pearl compass]

Grave

[mild wind]

[glass monolith]

Groovy

[astral cosmos]

anyways

[mild wind]

just maybe i thought of something else but this is abit clunky so improve however fits

[topaz tapir]

Might also need Tequila pot lol

[dapper hedge]

His pot dont do shit

[elder flume]

guess im making a vid

[topaz tapir]

makes deployment cheaper at least

[mild wind]

you could yknow

use more vanguards

[full terrace]

Yes make it, you are his last hope

😂

[left kestrel]

So does this work only for e2

[mild wind]

not exclusively?

thorns isnt the only operator

[left kestrel]

I mean tequila e2

[elder flume]

the more you burst the more stats you need

[left kestrel]

I don't have his e2

[mild wind]

..did you use the e2 ticket elsewhere

[left kestrel]

I accidentally use it on amiya

Dw i already have stable farm

[full terrace]

Amiya is fine, shoot the Assassin with her S3

Thats a stable clear

No dodge RNG

[mild wind]

i make a strat accordingly to what you have in squad

[left kestrel]

It is very overengineered tho

[mild wind]

if you by chance have ascalon she works infinitely better for left

[left kestrel]

Idk, do you think i can fix anything with what i have in my squad in here

[mild wind]

is this a trust farm or everyone here is active

[left kestrel]

Wdym by active

And its not trust farm

[pearl compass]

You use everyone to win

[mild wind]

then you couldve change a few people here

[left kestrel]

Ah okay

[mild wind]

let me see something

coz i actually dragged my ass searching for your team

[topaz tapir]

i used mine on Lappland-

[mild wind]

ok i certainly came up with something. just a lil tight so adjust accordingly

tequila is there as a body for the assassin to blink so zuo le doesnt leak him (since he took no big damage to two cycle skill)

i forgot the jetpack guy packs a punch so maybe add a medic to back lappdumb and make chain

[fiery carbon]

Pretty sure e2 module kroos alt will be able to stun the flying unit enough times for you to not repeat the stage more than 1 time (but it is rng sigh so u can't farm)

At least thats what i did

Cos I no lapp

[topaz tapir]

Dude I got her SL7 and SHE STILL DIES

WHAT LEVEL DOES SHE NEED TO BE

[elder flume]

Hmm close

im just gona 10 op it then

[glass monolith]

Please tell me you weren't trying to block 2800 or something "first attack after invis" with skill level

[topaz tapir]

no she died to first knight

[mild wind]

but they werent moving

[topaz tapir]

She still died
They moved
Her DPS still isn't enough
They had A SILVER OF HEALTH LEFT

[glass monolith]

I believe speed build up happens even while they stand because fuck players

[mild wind]

[topaz tapir]

Having their attack as art damage feels so stupid

[mild wind]

oh no wonder i didnt notice

there was three

[topaz tapir]

I didn't even get to kill the the two other knights she died by the first one

[mild wind]

not exactly about disabling them but she definitely reduces stress. ya that works @left kestrel

[left kestrel]

Thanks noch

[elder flume]

@topaz tapir

Humus is Pluma

used E1 Blaze to show its fine

E2 is better because free block

[teal moon]

wdym with "I can't borrow"

[mild wind]

they wanna x6 auto

[teal moon]

🚬

seems kinda pedantic

[low moon]

@mild fox i did borrow eyja but then I lack the damage to clear mobs

[mild fox]

whats your squad

more like. show it

and if possible what positions you tried

[mild wind]

wait why am i under impression that assassins have infinite blinks like trillby asher

lol

no wonder rain just stalls with cardi first half

[teal moon]

mod your Zuo Le btw, modx lv3

[glass monolith]

1 clownslayer blink coupon per assassin.

[teal moon]

and don't borrow Thorns lol

[elder flume]

Blaze just trivializes assassin n lance

[limpid ore]

lumen definitely not helping

[full terrace]

What stage are you trying to clear

[teal moon]

12-20

[low moon]

12-20

[limpid ore]

12-20

lumen cant heal elemental injury

[mild wind]

i didnt make anything iwth blaze in fear bro doesnt have enough healing

[full terrace]

Destroy the box on the top left, just one, then generate DP quick

[teal moon]

it's not like you "need" to use a elem healer

[low moon]

yeah nian can tank the boss with lumen ezpz

[teal moon]

level him a bit and consider Luck module level 1 (should be mody)

[glass monolith]

Boss phase 2 is so bullshit that elemental proc is next to guarantee without Eyjaberry each time be does global burst

[elder flume]

Blaze cant die with E2 talent anyway
broken ahh 1 time cant go under 25% hp

[teal moon]

not relevant for 12-20 but still

[elder flume]

then Roberta device just nullifies assassin first strike

[limpid ore]

well, thing is... the boss can spawn 2 more clones

think you need more dps

[glass monolith]

I forgot she can do that... Shame on me, person who had La Pluma survive under caster attack by feeding her Roberta devices

[low moon]

yeah, the smaller enemies leak

[full terrace]

You borrow Eyjaberry Nian can tank the boss forever, then you just need to burst them with Logos. Pour the rest of your resources to the right side

[low moon]

i'll try this then

[full terrace]

Lemme draw something

Hold on

[mild wind]

roberta mousse H11-4 be like

[limpid ore]

the phase transition can be devastating for the ranged operators without wandering medic

[astral cosmos]

may i ask why your vulpisfoglia has 0 skill

[left kestrel]

Wha

[astral cosmos]

s1 is so shit you might as well remove it and it'll make zero difference

👍

[maiden hound]

but afk

[mild wind]

[low moon]

shes just a place holder till I get dp for amiya

good damage and dp gen to hold the lane

[astral cosmos]

use s3 at least

[full terrace]

Here is the strat #strategy message
Here is a video (Adverse) for visual reference #strategy message

[topaz tapir]

Should I place Ptil in the same spot as Hibiscus

[astral cosmos]

using vulpis s1 is like using zuo le s1

[limpid ore]

vulpis s3 can generate as much DP as myrtle with similar cycle

[elder flume]

1 down from Hibi to heal Blaze Cardi yes

[limpid ore]

while also doing something

[full terrace]

And here is visual reference for Standard Environment https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_b54_G71jvk

[topaz tapir]

Any specific skill levels

[low moon]

thank you everyone, ill try again now with the new information

[elder flume]

Just Blaze SL7 for faster buff ig
If Pluma doesnt kill before enemy leaves range then prob more levels on her
Or just Thorns S2/S3 works too

Many methods

[low moon]

I guess ill just wait for the next banner and get the OP units XD

then clear with them

[full terrace]

You can clear with your units now

You just need to know the mechanics

[mild wind]

bosses in ch12-15 have big headache of mechanics pls understand

[low moon]

its too difficult and I don't wanna do it in standard because i'll have to do it again in adverse

[full terrace]

You can do it in Adverse

Its the same thing

The only reason I made the video in Standard is because it's part of the my 0 investment series and Adverse needs unit that isnt free (E0L1)

[leaden sierra]

save that line for h12-4

[full terrace]

Well I guess he just gave up

[leaden sierra]

It's called tactical retreat. They recover sanity and come back stronger. I "first tried" a few stages with that strat.

[glass monolith]

I miss h12-4 compared to absolute BS of H15-4

[leaden sierra]

H12-4: How do I not die?
H15-4: Why doesn't this thing die?

I'm calling it now, the next boss is going to be another stat stick, but this time, 8 phases and 6 invincibility windows per hp threshold per phase.

[sly drift]

8 phases but It melt quickly.

[leaden sierra]

yup, sounds familiar

[sly drift]

The next boss is that kind of boss that become insanely annoying if you don't immediately erase it.

But if you have enough broken dps shi.. it's pretty much cakewalk

[lapis hornet]

h15 p easy to bruteforce tho?

bigger stat check but h12/13 felt more interesting challenges

[leaden sierra]

Oh, I was referring to ep16, the one that I know nothing about, doesn't have invincibility in hp thresholds (luckily)

[sly drift]

Aren't we talking about Masses travel boss?

The fk is ep 16 boss

[leaden sierra]

It's not out yet, I'm just making a guess, I did this for wheelchair gaming, and it came true.

[pearl compass]

Ep16 doesn't released yet and we're talking about boss being savage

WTF

[sly drift]

[leaden sierra]

h12-4 is fun, especially if you have ENOUGH defenders. It's good design

[sly drift]

Enough defender? You are probably referring to Shu or some *6 walls.

Because defender melt too in 3 corrosion.

[leaden sierra]

Shu wasn't out during that chapter, but we had Blemi tech. Omg, I checked arkrec, there's 5 op (defender only) clears now . Shu's really good there.

[wicked minnow]

defenders are still good there. coura + bubble alongside perfumer global heal is enough to stall boss right side

[azure roost]

[smoky halo]

yeah ch 15 boss isnt that complex it just has giga stats

12 still has the best mechanics

imo

8 is intresting too but only on h8-4 with civs

without civs its too easy to just retreat everyone

[sly drift]

Carnevale has the best mechanic so far imo.

It's very peak.

Especially Lappland Fight.

[astral cosmos]

especially since you can debuff yourself

[serene hornet]

carnevale is my nightmare

[sly drift]

[full terrace]

ReChord Kaltsitless? 😂

[astral cosmos]

?????

[full terrace]

"I will sell myself for Kal" I'm assuming you are hoping to pull Kaltsit?

[mild wind]

bro wdf

shes in recruit

just copege

..wait shes not..

[astral cosmos]

I've been using them conjointly in IS to see if p6 actually mattered

spoiler: it doesn't
kaltsit p6 still cant deploy mon3ter in time in bad neighbours for example

(in time, as in for where I want to place it, she solos just fine)

[full terrace]

Oh.. I thought you were Kaltsitless and hoping to pull Kaltsit

Tbh I still havent really tried Mon3tr's True Damage on Spines on F1, I need to find time to test that

[astral cosmos]

what else is getting released with exualt

[astral cosmos]

she works marvelously

spines literally explode

[full terrace]

D18?

[astral cosmos]

yes

[full terrace]

Very interesting

[pearl compass]

Based image

Hag and daughter

[ornate heart]

Arflanyr, my BB-8 stable auto-deploy collapsed today.

[astral cosmos]

once?

[full terrace]

Sorry to hear that

Like consistently failed or?

[ornate heart]

Consitent failure

It was working perfectly with 0 failures for 2-3 days

Suddenly it's now failing everytime

[full terrace]

Did you upgrade anyone

Skill levels etc

[ornate heart]

No

The point of failure is that Beagle is now being dealt more damage by Assassin

for whatever reason, she is dying much faster now.

[full terrace]

Did you activate her skill

And the Medics' skills?

[ornate heart]

I did make a new one with better/faster activation of skills but still failure

I tried to stagger my medic skills

I guess I'll go more foolproof, but just wanted to know reason for sudden deviance?

[full terrace]

It's probably the Assassin's dodge, in some clears Assassins dodge less

Some others it dodges more

If your issue is sustain it's likely you rolled for the RNG where it dodges more

[ornate heart]

I don't think it's about the dodge, because she is dying before I even focus-DPS him with medic trick

[full terrace]

And the seeds are saved

The Snipers could also mess up your Medics timing

If by the time you need to heal up Beagle

Snipers are still around and hit your Medic

The Medic needs to heal herself up

And also heals Beagle

So that doubles the work

[ornate heart]

Ah yea that makes sense

[full terrace]

Try deploying your Gravel somewhere

To bait the Snipers attack

So that your Medic can hyper focus on healing Beagle

And Beagle alone

Also you can do this maneuver instead

Lemme find the link..

There #strategy message

So now you dont need to do the Medic trick

When the Assassin dashes, it will be caught by the unit behind your Beagle

[ornate heart]

Ok i'll try that.

[topaz tapir]

My auto deploy keeps failing at 22/23

Somehow Blaze gets oneshotted
I think the program forgets to shield?

This was what won me the game btw

[full terrace]

Btw @ornate heart if your auto fails like once in awhile

Dont tamper it

[glass monolith]

Either someone trigger her not dying talent prematurely or lag between recording and auto don't deploy in time on assassin head giving him nuke attack

[full terrace]

Auto breaks once in awhile its normal

Arknights' AI is super dumb

[ornate heart]

It broke 4/4 times and that's why I decided to change it

[modest pewter]

Unlock blaze module or level her up if you have enough resources to do that to negate thd randomness

[ornate heart]

Also the new trick/maneuver worked, so let's see if AI doesn't scuff it

[topaz tapir]

Nah her talent purposely triggers against Knights ealrier

Blaze is supposed to survive the uncloak hit due to Roberta though...

But I don't see her gadget??

[ornate heart]

Why the AI works the way it does remains baffling to me tbh

[full terrace]

Baffled all of us, people try to rationalize it with frame drop and such

But it still breaks once in awhile

I have made peace with the dumb AI

Just make sure if something needs 100% to be killed

You do enough work for 200%

And it will be stable

[glass monolith]

Timing is off? idk. Knight blink is hp gated and has stupid dodge and auto hates you. Also you might record just fine but have frame drop when recording to auto fails, or auto has drop instead.

[ornate heart]

Yea I have been keeping that in mind (learned through experience sadly)

[topaz tapir]

Nah I die to the assassin at the end

The problem was the AI not placing the shield gadget like an idiot letting Blaze die to the uncloak hit

I took control and it worked

[glass monolith]

Never seen deploy fail to place something unless it got deployment slots gated (After something gained Trust/Levels to not die) or tile was occupied by something

Or well I don't really play summoners

[elder flume]

Most likely auto is fluctuating with dodge procs
Can prob make it so assassin doesnt dodge as often by changing Ptilo to bottom face up so Cardigan chains Ptilo

So Ptilo is deployed last

Or before Cardi

[topaz tapir]

Somehow my auto is working again by just placing shield gadget earlier

[elder flume]

Ye the assassin dodge seed is moved by 1

[glass monolith]

Chain logic sucks. Look on this abomination. I somehow almost leaked final wave of assassins because they decided to be one with wall or whatever and didn't get affected by chain after ascalon

I assume it might be somehow tied to invis removal with Elysium s2 making them regain it during chain, but easier solution was not thinking about this stage ever again

[leaden sierra]

you still have 8 boxes, why not maze walk them?

[glass monolith]

Well i still won in the end. But jesus crist when i realized they are this close to Durnar and still invisible

[leaden sierra]

Yeah, also for some reason chains being too close together don't work or work less effectively cause there's a chain cooldown on enemies I'm assuming.

[fathom swift]

Is this a welfare run?

[astral cosmos]

like half of these ops aren't welfare

[lofty stag]

Was gonna say

[full terrace]

This reminds me of the discussion "Wisadel is a welfare" 😂

[astral cosmos]

[glass monolith]

It is "I don't really want to use 6*s but nobody likes Clownslayer S3 and Ente s2 anyway, but fuck it so Ascalon" run

[fathom swift]

U have my respect tho. Being able to make use off chopped operators. Your mind is like that of a master

[azure moth]

Hey everyone. I don't know if this is the best area to post this question, but I'm new and need help building a team. I've only had the game for 1 week. The 5 and 6 stars I have are Alanna, Mayer, Harmonie, Vendela, Ptilopsis, Bassline, Wulfenite, Lunacub, Kazemaru, Projekt Red, Cliffheart, Kafka, Shamare, Windflit, Amiya, Whisperain, Nearl(P2 already), Aurora, Nightingale, Goldenglow(P1), Exusiai(P1), and Blaze(P1). My goal is simply to blast through the story.

[astral cosmos]

ptilopsis bassline are realistically your only worthwhile 5*
nearl works too but bassline >
shamare for base later

you can send screenshots next time

or https://krooster.com

[azure moth]

I don't have discord on my phone sorry

[glass monolith]

You can set up krooster on pc i think

[astral cosmos]

uh, it's a website, so it does not matter

[full terrace]

General question like this is best asked in #help but anyway, higher rarity ≠ better units in this game, especially the 5 Stars most of them are unused

First priority as a newbie

Is to finish Chapter 1

And then grab Tequila

From Dossoles Holiday

You can also grab Krooster right after

From Invitation to Wine

[azure moth]

I meant for screenshots

[astral cosmos]

in that case you can just use krooster

[glass monolith]

It is site to share roster (And other things probably, i never bothered using it myself )

[low rover]

is the babel welfare (i forgot the name i think it was obbo or obby?) worth the few days left remaining?

[astral cosmos]

odda? he sucks

[full terrace]

You dont grab his tokens unless you did in the original run last year

Because when the RR comes, you'll gonna get a Letter that unlocks his full Potentials

[eager marten]

Is there an updated arknemy?

[winged jolt]

for bb8

im watching guides where the assassin does like no damage to the gravel that baits his initial hit

but mine dies in one hit at e1 50 s2l7

fk is up with that

[glass monolith]

Impossible, his after invis hit is like 2800, and I'm pretty sure it is impossible to nuke s2 gravel before shield.
You are not deploying Gravel in advance making s2 shield decay, right?

[winged jolt]

no im deploying her right as the dude starts moving

in front of him

getting nuked

i dont understand why shes getting popped

[glass monolith]

It is possible to kill gravel before shield activates?

[fringe solstice]

my gut feeling is trust or pot stats but it shouldn't matter since her job is to tank (or die to) the assassin hit

[winged jolt]

ill send ss

[winged jolt]

ignore the first ss

the shield procs

he slashes, she disappears

[true stag]

eeh

is your blaze like, e2?

[winged jolt]

she isnt

the blaze actually tanks the dude forever

but then he blinks away so i need a defender to block below her anyway

[true stag]

after baiting?

[winged jolt]

does the assassin refresh invis

after kill

[true stag]

if he isn't blocked I guess

[winged jolt]

idk why blaze can tank

but none of my defenders can

💀

[true stag]

he deals additional damage on his first hit when breaks out of invisibility and went into invisibility when unblocked, based on my memory

[fringe solstice]

@winged jolt #strategy message trying timing gravel to push the assassin into defender

[true stag]

either you pincer him into gravel + defender, or emmm... use blaze talent?

[fringe solstice]

the trick is to make sure gravel's sprite is over the assassin's

[true stag]

not sure if she has the one time immortality talent at e1 though

[elder flume]

Assuming no pot no trust

You die if it decays twice

E1 60 Max pot max trust 1 decay hm

[winged jolt]

why does this matter?

isnt decay every second

not every frame

[fringe solstice]

enemies can be pushed in different directions based on the operator deployment

so if you didn't wait, the assassin would be push away from the defender and get invis again assuming you don't use chain to deactivate

[elder flume]

Only 1 decay
Your Gravel stats dont seem to add up

[winged jolt]

urs is e2

mine is e1

[elder flume]

Yeah i just used it to check how many decays before damage ticks

[true stag]

oh wait

I just checked

you can use blaze to block the assassin as long as blaze is e1

for one time (per deployment), blaze will recover 50% hp when her hp drops below 25% for the first time, and her hp will not drops below 50% for 3/6(+1) seconds.

it is a good skill to pick up regarding body blocking and deployment position, but if you only intend to clear once and forget, or preferred a more stable run, just using blaze to tank the initial hit might be an easier choice here.

[elder flume]

If your problem is first strike then just use E1 Roberta

[elder flume]

Something along the line

[plucky grove]

i mean if the problem is first strike, then they can just push the assassin into blaze using gravel, which is what was mentioned earlier

that way gravel dies but the assassin doesnt go invis again

[elder flume]

If Gravel can live yeah

[plucky grove]

i mean gravel doesnt need to live in the scenario where the assassin gets pushed

[elder flume]

Else he regains first strike when kill

[plucky grove]

he does? isnt it just on invis?

[elder flume]

You can try it with Yato instead and see

[true stag]

gravel can die, the assassin just need to be blocked by another ops before he goes invis.

he goes invis when unblocked, that's all.

[elder flume]

I havent had a successful attempt with Gravel push die hm

Can make a vid?

@full terrace does ur attempts have dead Gravel push

[true stag]

pushing him towards another blocker while deploying gravel/yato on top of him makes him target gravel/yato first, kills her and refocus his target onto the other blocker.

the squeeze block technique, very often used for other purposes though.

[plucky grove]

wait this mf does stab again if gravel dies even if hes pushed into another blocker

[elder flume]

Thats my 15th attempt

[plucky grove]

does he recharge skill on kill???

[elder flume]

Yes

[plucky grove]

i just watched this one, where gravel survives, and he doesnt stab again

so i think its just a hidden ability to recharge skill on kill

thats pretty annoying, i guess roberta would be the fix for that

[wicked minnow]

gravel died and he didnt do skill again

in that video you replied to

[plucky grove]

wait thats not the right video

my bad