strategy

[smoky halo]

cos the dog spawns like 3s into the stage

[haughty flower]

Oh true I forgor'ed how early they start spawning dogs

[smoky halo]

so u need the -2 dp to deploy him early

[scarlet mortar]

stage is a fuck

[smoky halo]

if ur not chasing leakless u dont need -2 dp

[haughty flower]

Just skillfully gain initial dp relic :clueless:

[vital arrow]

Just get specialist book

-3DP

[smoky halo]

the just get technology

[haughty flower]

Just get a l*fe

[scarlet mortar]

HG adding the colossus was toxic ngl

[smoky halo]

it severely limits ur openers

its either texas yato or mizuki 🥹

[haughty flower]

The design is very human

[scarlet mortar]

or deploy two ops to kill one dog ig

[smoky halo]

ela also works

its all spec

how broken is this class

[scarlet mortar]

yes

[elder flume]

Ive been shilling specknights since year 0 when people call it bad
Look how far weve gone

[rapid junco]

@scarlet fulcrum
Found new song
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf3uPT-fV2Y&si=bUmaJuhXiRMnMz4T

[scarlet fulcrum]

I think ive heard their other song before. I forgot. Thats quite nice rhythm 👍

Ah yea its titled "parade"

[south spindle]

Yorushika sheeesh

[rapid junco]

優、燦々 also good

[scarlet fulcrum]

notbad

[astral cosmos]

idk, what offrate did u get

[weary grotto]

How do u deal with mephisto the bird

[scarlet mortar]

don't kill it too quickly, the DoT stacks

if you are killing it quickly you'll want a Lot of burst healing

phase 2 you can try to force birbphisto to 50% by breaking his cocoon, this also reduces the number of hp thresholds you'll have to eat poison stacks from

but also it doesn't quite matter bc all stacks disappear once he dies

[weary grotto]

So you need an true damage dealer?

Wait a minute

You can leak him?

[elder flume]

For secret end ye

[weary grotto]

Does it takes points tho?

[elder flume]

Ye

You have 3

Surely losing 2 is fine

[glass monolith]

It is probably only stage where you must score 2 star clear (in unique way too i guess?) to get more (1 for secret + 1 for collecting all secrets)

[scarlet mortar]

no you just need to deal more damage than he heals

the cocoon isn't a barrier, it's a phase

[weary grotto]

Wait, thorn alter s2

🧠

[haughty flower]

The evil and intimidating Ulpianus:

[dapper hedge]

Saria s3 #strategy message

Exealter can also solo the stage

[narrow pendant]

"Solo"

[dapper hedge]

With bunch of bodies sacrifices

[narrow pendant]

[pure orchid]

🤫

its just his summons

[smoky halo]

how would u know

u dont have him ‼️

[narrow pendant]

He borrows mine ‼️

[pure orchid]

im just a knower fr

[worthy gorge]

gravel with executor 300 atk speed buff in IS2 is so funny lol. stab-stab-stab

[south spindle]

everything is funny with high aspd

[glass monolith]

IS2 ending 3 with gravel stabbing entire boss

[scarlet mortar]

you misspelled ed2

[south spindle]

ED3

[ember fiber]

ulpanius with high aspd just look like hes elbowing people in the face

[south spindle]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/haylrdsxbu

@willow sun

[south spindle]

600 medicmiya bouncing brrr

[full terrace]

Castermiya S3 and deal some devastating true damage on d18 Amiya

[steel prairie]

he turned into Dio

wait can Silence prevent the snowball guys from tossing the snowball ???

[sick knoll]

Bro what

How would that ever work

Her summon isn't targetable

[somber stone]

silence:

[proud bluff]

I mean, throwing the snowball is an ability, and they're not immune to silence, so it should work

i'm too lazy to test tho

[wicked minnow]

doesnt mean that silence would actually affect them

someone should test fr

[proud bluff]

They don't care about silence 🫡

[willow sun]

i don’t get it

huh

[cedar needle]

You can just read the in-game enemy profile to know what's silenceable. Left enemy's trait has that X icon marking that as a silenceable ability, the right one / snowball one does not have that mark, so you can't silence that

[south spindle]

what effective rate of getting a 6* at each pull # is expected (red)
vs blue (tested)

and purple is the error (%)

of a billion rolls

[steel prairie]

oh sorry I mean the silence that Lappa can use... not the fukin owl herself LMAO

they are both called silence

[south spindle]

the ability is not silenceable according to the wiki either

[south spindle]

@steel prairie read

[wicked minnow]

wiki somewhat more reliable than in-game enemy profile so check that too

[willow sun]

shit makes no sense but whatever bo 💔

[south spindle]

i just flipped the data for blue - from my simulations so its easier to see

its practically impossible to tell apart otherwise

like first pull is 2% chance yes

next pull is 1.96% chance by the fact you are going to the next pull

[willow sun]

what

[proud bluff]

[south spindle]

like the distribution

[proud bluff]

i don't understand that part

[south spindle]

the chances of you getting at 6*

is lower at exactly 2 rolls than at exactly 1 roll

[proud bluff]

but why ?

[south spindle]

this is effective rates not the actual

when you have done 1 roll

your next roll is still 2%

but im saying your odds to reaching a 6* at exactly the 2nd roll

is 1.96%

because a) account that the first roll is NOT a 6* 98%

b) guranteed 2nd roll IS a 6* 2%, 0.98*0.02 = 0.0196 = 1.96%

[proud bluff]

But shouldn't both of those be independent events ?

[south spindle]

if you take large data on how many pulls it takes someone to get a 6* you will notice the number of people getting at pitys between 1 and 50 steadily decreases because of this phenomenon

no because when we isolate people who reached 2 pity

it ends up lower than the people who just got it on the first pull

so i simulate that

1 billion rolls

and i counted at each possible roll number between 1 and 99

how many 6* fell on each

[proud bluff]

So that's why you had probabilities lower than 2% for some events

[south spindle]

no that is a different story lmao

thats different

this math doesn't make sense at first

but you have to realize you can't just take the actual rate at each pull and average it

you need to account what % of players also reach that number

so you can't just go hey, 2% * 50 = 100% / 50 = 2% average

2% IS the rate at each pull < 50

but it doesn't mean 1000 people doing pulls < 50

will get each get evenly placed

this is what my data for a billion rolls look like

basically each number's position says how many instances of that # of pity reached

and this is also why we can't say you in 10 rolls your chances of getting a 6* is 20%
that 20% is the true average rate but it includes all the possibilities of people getting multiple 6* and skewing data

0.98^10 = 81.7% -> people who DON'T get a 6* in 10 pulls

100 - 81.7% = 18.3% actual % of people who get a 6* in 10 pulls

the difference between 18.3 and 20% is the the lucky bastards who got multiple and skewed the data

[proud bluff]

Yeah i didn't understand when looking at your desmos but it makes sense

[south spindle]

when i first did my offrate odds

i calculated that 80% of people get a offrate limited

but thats actually meant to be on average people get 0.8 offrates in 300 pulls

in actuality its like < 60% of people, and bastards getting multiple makes the average 0.8

[proud bluff]

[south spindle]

so misinterpreting numbers goes brr

And in a dataset of a billion pulls

I couldn't get any 6* to go past like 85 pity

[proud bluff]

Sure, it's so exponentially hard to not get a 6* at some point

[south spindle]

in a billion pulls, 29 million 6* were pulled

ye ye of course

but just extra evidence doing it that

not even a single one happened

so i don't think anyone on this planet has ever reached 99 pulls

let alone 90

[unkempt lintel]

[proud bluff]

I have no doubt that 99 pity is statistically impossible

tho i don't have any numbers to back it up

[unkempt lintel]

u all underestimated my luck for being unlucky

[south spindle]

that is fine i gotchu

you can just cite me™

[unkempt lintel]

so im getting this about hitting 6 star after pity yeh

the farthest i see in practice is... within ~80 pulls

[south spindle]

shileds is just jealous

[wicked minnow]

mmmm nop

not jealous

[south spindle]

getting to 80 is rarer than 1 in a million

[wicked minnow]

so a handful of people must've suffered

[south spindle]

I had an alt

that reached 67 pity

i no longer have that alt

[lapis hornet]

iirc I went 80+

for angelina

[scarlet fulcrum]

Went to 76 for passenger, and it was not even passenger (it was saria dupe)

[graceful bear]

Is the only solution to SSS Fountain Wars to block those FUCKASS skateboard stackers before they turn your whole board pink?

[vocal leaf]

yes and paint floor with frd because is faster than waiting for targets

[elder flume]

Shu can teleport the points sheep back to cover more tiles

[void terrace]

OoooooOh

Shu for the win

[elder flume]

Also get lucky in drafting points doublerman

[vocal leaf]

why would you want the sheep to go back if you already painted those tiles, i want the sheeps to go away asap, you might even kill them

[elder flume]

Nah the white points sheep

That counts if a tile is white then boosts score

The longer they stay the better

[vocal leaf]

oh yeah that one, i was thinking the normal enemy

[sly drift]

I lost count on how many times Shu broke mechanic on the game

[split cloak]

I finally got my revenge on this OLD MAN! RAAAAH bite the dust

[golden gyro]

Finished my first ending 2 thanks to #help

[south spindle]

congrats

[golden gyro]

Virt carried

[south spindle]

now time to do it a) with boats

b) fractured

c) both

d) alter

e) alter fractured with boats

[golden gyro]

What’s boats and fractured

[south spindle]

oh sweet child

[golden gyro]

I thought we just doing different endings

[south spindle]

boats is what happens when you have the ED4 relics

it affects this fight

TLDR

you can do ED1/2 + ED3/4 + ED5

F5 / F6 / F7

ED4 relic introduces boats to ED1/2 (increases enemy / boss hp quite a bit, introduces annoying ass boats)

fractured version of every fight exists if your mental toil is yellow makes it harder with little variation

[golden gyro]

I think I was fractured then

[south spindle]

and then the alter is what happens when you take the "Rolling Ancestors" relic

[golden gyro]

I’m still working up to e3 lol

We will get there

[south spindle]

dw about alter endings 1/2 for a while

they get really hard

especially ED2a

i got traumatized, i went in blind

[golden gyro]

The boats when they enter our blue box doesn’t take life away but does dmg to everyone

Right

[south spindle]

uh no those are holy automatons that do the damage

boats are literally floating boats

they kidnap your operator if they go over them

and if the boat reaches blue box

you lose the operator for the rest of the map

[golden gyro]

Well seems like fun

[south spindle]

its fine the boats aren't bad just makes everything beefy

and are mildly annoying

alter 2 is the real challenge

almost impossible without shu

basically theres 8 variations of ED1/2 that exist lmao

[golden gyro]

What difficulty are you in?

Are you playing at?

[south spindle]

i haven't played the new update

so still D15

[golden gyro]

It goes higher?

xd

[south spindle]

just increased to D18

4 days ago

[golden gyro]

Dang

[south spindle]

D15 is where hard starts

D15 is what people call high diff

Everything from D0-D12 feels exactly the same after you play D15

D13/D14 you feel hiccups

[golden gyro]

Wait when entering a stage when you’re yellow fractured, how does that make the stage harder?

[south spindle]

ofc this is hindsight

but also your journey from D0 to D10 is just learning maps and placements

[south spindle]

just endings

other stages it just affects dp cost thats it

[golden gyro]

Oh that’s why. I was wondering why some ops get increased dp cost

[haughty flower]

It actually tells you in the page where you can swap loadbearer ops

[golden gyro]

Reading..?

[south spindle]

reading

I used to play more IS

but my IS buddies are long gone

🥀

[golden gyro]

Rip

How the story goes sadly

[haughty flower]

When you're raising the diff make sure to check that page now and then, some of the debuffs can actually bend you over and ruin your run on lower floors.

[golden gyro]

I’m on d11 so we are still clear

I’ll start reading more tho

[south spindle]

you chilling for like 2-3 more diffs

[golden gyro]

Probably

[south spindle]

D13+ you will feel the damage on your operators

D15 you will feel pain

especially with increased hope cost

if you just clear ED1/2/3 its not too bad especially on vanilla

ED4 and ED5 are very very different stories

and ED2 alter

ED4 suffocates you, its harder than ED5 tbh

[golden gyro]

What kills me is the later stages. The increased in d adds some new stages and going in blind just kills me. Do you guys watch YouTube vids or just learn as you go

[south spindle]

for most avid IS enthusiasts its all fuck around and find out

[wicked minnow]

difficulty doesnt really add new stages

[maiden hound]

diff increase does not have new stages no? maybe it's the expansion maps

[wicked minnow]

you mean the new expansion

[haughty flower]

The trick is you run lamp and reroll all the f5 stage into a wish node

[wicked minnow]

the new expansion added some ass stages

[golden gyro]

Oh yes expansions

[south spindle]

Expansion 1 stages 💀

[maiden hound]

pick talon and reroll emer reg army

[south spindle]

Kazfalls Regular Army

[wicked minnow]

expansion 2 stages are also kinda ass but more bearable

[south spindle]

and the one in my literal profile

[south spindle]

way less ass tbh

[haughty flower]

I remember first time going into elusive merc blind

Wis'adel exploded

[wicked minnow]

elusive merc is the main problem

kazfalls is easy with the right units

[south spindle]

regular army is the biggest problem idk

[golden gyro]

O I’ll use reroll stage more. I’ve been just saving my plans to transverse between stages

[south spindle]

kazfalls is just jumpscare

and unintuitive

[south spindle]

playing IS5 you just learn what nodes are low value (non emer + no plans = reroll) (encounters, lost and found, whatever the dice one = reroll)

[haughty flower]

Try to unlock blueprint squad. Makes the first reroll free

Very nice for just learning how to abuse some mechanics in IS5 in relative safety.

[golden gyro]

I like playing with the mimic squad. Fun and interesting every run

[haughty flower]

I fucking heard "my name is Edwin" in my head am I cooked chat

[vocal leaf]

i can easily reset a run when f1 is not safety inv/bad neighbors

[south spindle]

tsk tsk

[vocal leaf]

the new f1 stage is trash, no spine

[wicked minnow]

so real

[south spindle]

true but just learn to play with it 🚬

[golden gyro]

Btw for higher difficulty do you guys just use the wis alter + specialist start?

[south spindle]

esp when you have +2 hope start

🥹

[maiden hound]

you just missed free 30$ steam gift card on help chat

[wicked minnow]

noooooooooo

[south spindle]

i think i got kind of active in this server inadvertently

i looked at general once randomly and saw some guy dropping steam codes

[vocal leaf]

i play nara start with gummy and click

[south spindle]

sniped quite a few, was random games

[wicked minnow]

i play tequilla scene start with first class

[south spindle]

Wis is always the strongest open 🚬

[haughty flower]

Btw this is schizo 🚬

[south spindle]

Shileds plays welfare niche keep that in mind!

[wicked minnow]

nop both tequilla and scene are able to kill spines

thus not schizo

[south spindle]

first class squad? not schizo?

yeap

[vocal leaf]

i also like greayalt amiya and gummy start when not enough hope for 6star

[haughty flower]

Just skillfully roll +2 hope starting gift

[golden gyro]

What class is your amiya

Healing ?

[vocal leaf]

yeah medic is the best one

[south spindle]

medicmiya most of the time

have s2m3 and mod3 are nice

[vocal leaf]

idk what’s happening but it seems we’re winning

[worthy gorge]

my first is clear yay

[azure roost]

grats

[sly drift]

This mad lad actually did it

https://youtu.be/Yg_oCJeuZMg

Triple endings with only four stars. This is peak difficulty on IS5

[vocal leaf]

silvergun our best content creator

the only one that i actually enjoy to watch, the guide makers are boring for non new players and the cn ones i simply avoid them because i don’t want spoilers

[azure roost]

fuck tfn #5 today

[sly drift]

What is the bosses

I wonder if Andoain will return for the third time

[dapper hedge]

Its IS bosses

[dark mantle]

tn-1 is the frostbuck duo + phantom
tn 2 is pathshaper + tindelinked bishop/archon + highmore
tn 3 is bsl + troupe mouthpiece + playwright
tn 4 is last knight + skalter + izumik

[glass monolith]

1000 yard stare

[dark mantle]

It's pretty fine

Exu alt 1 cycles bsl on the buffless map

she 2 cycles him with enemy buffs

its so funny

[glass monolith]

TN2 using IS3 maps changing from one to other is funniest shit ever

[void terrace]

Which is better for ending 5 btw

Against amiyas damage holy city's embrace should be better right

[dark mantle]

Amiya isnt sarkaz

So

[void terrace]

Wat

[dark mantle]

Aid kit

[void terrace]

Wtf

[limpid ore]

the furnace's finale doesnt have sarkaz-type

and deals 999 hp seal damage

[glass monolith]

That's not less hp seal damage

[void terrace]

Hmmm

Also is the ending encounter common?

I havent gotten the ending encounter despite running through 3 encounters on floor 2-3

[limpid ore]

because most of the IS5 ending requirement arent encounter

[rotund crag]

If it's possible can anybody give me tricks to beat rs 2

[elder flume]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ce411o7Jr?spm_id_from=333.788.videopod.episodes&p=3

level issue is solved by bringing more ops to support

or rather an actual support like Virt

[rotund crag]

I am clicking on the vids but it's not opening:(

[elder flume]

mobile?

[limpid ore]

i can open it on mobile

not an issue

[elder flume]

nah its just sometimes people dont know what to press on mobile to play the vid

pc is kina self explanatory

[limpid ore]

i didnt even press anything and the vid just play

[elder flume]

mine is 3 step to play

i think bili app is no step?

[pure orchid]

what fucking else do i have to do aside from not placing op in cross

so harold doesnt nuke the entire map

vapor rain is dumb af

[full terrace]

What stage are you doing over there

Making auto for RS-8?

[pure orchid]

nah ex

[brisk surge]

[full terrace]

Bro just nuke him #strategy message

You can also Ulpi stall like this #strategy message

[pure orchid]

i do know about nuke

to bypass his hp thresholds

[full terrace]

Bypass what, I did no such thing

[pure orchid]

he nukes every 25% hp or so

[full terrace]

Let him

[pure orchid]

nah like

say i nuke him to 50

so he'll skip the 25

[full terrace]

I know what bypass mean

[pure orchid]

or 75 technically

[full terrace]

You dont need to do such thing

[pure orchid]

fk kinda nuke did u do

[brisk surge]

oooo qyuri assuming that arf is a dumbass

you gonna take that?

[elder flume]

Just tank it

[pure orchid]

nvm its slow

wtf how did nightingale not pop up in my mind

why am i making myself suffer

[full terrace]

Here is a full play, watch this for reference #strategy message

[pure orchid]

jeez its burst in both ways

heal and damage

okay ill try one more time then im making a custom squad

[full terrace]

The second link is Ulpi stall

Ulpi+Gladiia

Ulpi+Gladiia, abuse killgate, redeploy Ulpi later on for final wave

If you wanna abuse killgate, make sure that you kill Harold Phase 1 before 20/48

And also waking up the 4 frozen beasts

[pure orchid]

yup i lost again

uhhh

pepe got oneshot

[full terrace]

🤣

Bro, Harold nukes based on the number of unlit Heaters

[pure orchid]

nono like melee

not even the nuke

[full terrace]

If all Heaters are lighted up = 1 nuke only

Melee he one shots almost everyone, thats why I suggested Ulpi stall

[pure orchid]

ulpi isnt as cute as pepe, but alas

[full terrace]

😏

Ulpi stall like this #strategy message

Harold is pretty free

[pure orchid]

oh hes free alr

free 5-star wandering medic !

[glass monolith]

Makes you wander why he can't do 3600 physical nukes as operator but has no fucking issue doing them as boss

[pure orchid]

aw

[full terrace]

So bad bro

[pure orchid]

i mean he's dead but

ng is too good man 😭

after her skill its just random bullshit

[glass monolith]

Should have used Ulp stall... And just have random bullshit from start to finish

[rotund crag]

I tried to download the bili2 app but it says it's not competible with my phone
Is there any other source vid of that lvl ?

[elder flume]

Dont need to download

Its really just 3 steps with website

Arknights on Youtube r kina bummer since they make guides with their raised accs rather than pure zero investment

So not many low end work for newbies

Not many pursue lowest end either since it would take a long time to theorize and harder to execute the sequence

[rotund crag]

Thanks you very much.
||My dumbass didn't see the x button under the ad lol ||

[elder flume]

Tldr at the start theyre showing who can replace who

[smoky halo]

yep AK EN is so dead

[rotund crag]

I see,thanks for explaining.Btw do I have to lvl up those chars to lv 50 or like that ?

[rotund crag]

Real?!

[smoky halo]

real and true

[rotund crag]

That's sad .

Just started few days ago , hopefully they don't decide to go eos all of a sudden.

[glass monolith]

As long as Yostar bother to do global release while JP throw cash at them

[civic bear]

if it wasnt obvious. fib is joking

[wicked minnow]

it seems very hard for yostar to be losing money on ak. very unlikely that this game will EoS any time soon

[civic bear]

aken/jp just in general pale in comparison to cn sizewise thats all really

[rotund crag]

Which side pay them more jp or cn?

[glass monolith]

CN side created game so only reason JP making money for them because CN exists

[haughty flower]

Another CN W over JP

[narrow pendant]

When is ever jp W

[wicked minnow]

when you compare them to EN

we get middle child treatment

[void terrace]

Any good guides for reclamation algorythm

I have

[lofty stag]

That’s cuz all of en are stuck to hoyo games

🥀

[wicked minnow]

so is jp

im still hella suprised hoyoslop got so popular

[lofty stag]

Cuz ig the visuals

[void terrace]

No clue what im doing. Is there a time limit to raids and objectives or can i just play logging simulator for 100 days till my base is basically indestructible

[lofty stag]

Plus the artifact grind kinda comes later in the game

[void terrace]

Ive been rawdogging everyraid by intercepting it befoee they reach my base

[lofty stag]

people would still play due to sunk cost

[wicked minnow]

raids aproach your base

if they reach and you cant defend

you have to restart to a last saved day

or restart the day to try again

there isnt a time limit they just slowly aproach your base generally

some raids are started because you reached a certain day count or you beat a certain stage or you did a certain event or talked to a certain npc

you cant really play logging simulator since you kinda want rocks and better materials to progress

unless you are playing the mode just for the rewards

[void terrace]

I mean i can intercept most raids before they touch my base so i havent really tried building stuff

If theres no time pressure for exploring the questline

Im just gonna farm up matts first

[wicked minnow]

there isnt really time pressure but also be weary that certain day counts have a raid tied to them

and the bosses are somewhat difficult

other than that you can take as long as you want

[void terrace]

With my roster its not really an issue

As long as i choose a good map to stand my ground its mostly fine

Between the sui siblings and the hunters and mylnar i just wall the stage till i can get aoe down

[obtuse shale]

The new Trials for Navigator will be quite nostalgic.

Looking forward to bullying those bosses

[carmine ingot]

do we have pins for polyvision museum?

[glass monolith]

Maybe #event-info or #bot-spam has anything for it, help chats rarely pin information (Except FAQs for stupid minigames of main events )

[shell ether]

which one is better?

i guess thorns is offensive...

[narrow pendant]

Well..bottom

[glass monolith]

Well if you git gud you never get light damage

[narrow pendant]

The top is quite useless, just dont lose

[glass monolith]

And even if you go for ending 4 which puts you on 0 light you will prioritize getting it back, not reduce losing

[narrow pendant]

And thorns draft in 2025 in is thats not IS2?

🥹

[lofty stag]

<@&586570970345635868>

[void terrace]

Damn

Only difficulty 12

But damn was amiya surprisingly managable

I guess hyper attack speed is just the answer to everything

[haughty flower]

Check the relic debuffs compared to ed4.

Also, her mechanics are just plain out simpler overall.

[void terrace]

I mean thats true

Ending 4 took me so many tries

But finding a deployment with eyja and kalt both on the bottom two ranged tiles facing each other

Somehow imrpoved the success of my runs a lot

Kalt on the left eyja on the right, no need to undeploy them the whole fight

Hoederer tanks quilon and monster does true damage

Then i just cycle what ever ranged ops on the top tile to manage the boats

[vocal leaf]

well i guess im technically full life points 1/1

[haughty flower]

Waow both king's set buffs
Now if only King of Sarkaz set was actually any good vs King's set.

[lapis hornet]

do you get anything for ss every stage in pm?

or sss idk

[elder flume]

Just cheats unlock and bragging rights

[lapis hornet]

zamn guess I'm losing ma street creds then

much obliged kind sir

[split cloak]

Can i ask for the pathing of harold in RS EX 8?

Cant access that site that shows it, it's stuck at loading

[full terrace]

He spawns in the middle red box, walk 2 tiles to the right and enter the stairs

Then exit on the stairs on right side

He would walk south and enter another stairs on south-west

And reappear on the same stairs on the right side

Now he walks to the north-west blue box

[split cloak]

Figured I wanna stall him and just 1 shot his phase 2. Cant be bothered to eat his p2 mechanic

So i wanna know where to stall or kill him while I build my degen

[haughty flower]

There's a few youtube videos you can probably use as reference. Exhibit a:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcSUNicV0wg

Note you're going to need both a fragile debuffer and an atk buffer most likely, and you're also going to need some system to handle furnaces and keep them lit when you fire.
Here warf buffs, suzu debuffs, and gg keeps furnaces lit to remove all harold's dr.

You'll want to mix and match as needed.

[split cloak]

Lol that right at the entrance

[full terrace]

Purple then red then green

[split cloak]

Yeah i know how to one shot this old man, i did that to farm rs8

[split cloak]

Nice thank you

[full terrace]

You are welcome

[split cloak]

Nice clear. Guess I'll borrow gg for global

I'm glad I pulled ela cuz I dont have suzu

[haughty flower]

Ela works perfectly fine here as well yah.

[elder flume]

Gnosis shafted by freeze immune moment

[whole basin]

Need help clearing the tank wave on rs 8, any op that i can use to do that? Always struggle to sustain

[maiden hound]

nightngale s3

[rich plover]

Alright, what ops to use for RS 8? Need to auto farm this bih

[vestal hearth]

if you want to speedrun, degenbrecher will help

[rich plover]

S3M3 required?

[vestal hearth]

nothing is required

it just will take a little more time, if she is not maxed

[vestal hearth]

you have beated the stage already, right?

[rich plover]

Yes, but it is inconsistent with my run

[vestal hearth]

boss itself makes auto broken?

[elder flume]

You dont really have much buffsquad to 1 shot Harold reliably

[vestal hearth]

gg s2 in middle can light up 2 heaters, all other DPSs you have will help you, but yes, you won't oneshot boss

[elder flume]

Prob close with Degen Ely Shamare Therm

[rich plover]

I guess the best I can do is light up as much heaters as possible

[elder flume]

Will try these 4 n see how close

[vestal hearth]

boss turns on 2 closest heaters, so position your operators in a way that it won't cause you problems

block the boss, and dps him after his ability, so that you won't get nuked when heaters are off

[rich plover]

Right, healing

[vestal hearth]

silence, saria and quercus(?) should be enough, as long as they won't freeze

[rich plover]

Yea Harold

[vestal hearth]

well, there you just need to time everything right

[rich plover]

True

[vestal hearth]

he nukes you every 25% hp lost, and there isn't much i can help

use degen s3 after he will turn off heaters, and that time window should be enough

if no, try to find correct timing

[vestal hearth]

ceobe s2 should help, if i understand you correctly

[elder flume]

Yep thats not happening lol

1 lighter off

and not nearing half hp before proc

[vestal hearth]

just do stable normal clear in that case

[rich plover]

yea

2 or 3 healers?

[vestal hearth]

depends on tank and their power

since you have saria, i'd say 2

[rich plover]

I have a Cuora with module 3

[vestal hearth]

should be good

you can use narantuya to steal some atk too

so yes, 2 should be enough

[rich plover]

If that's the case, S1 or S3 on Naran?

[vestal hearth]

i usually use 1, but it shouldn't matter much

[rich plover]

Got it

[vocal leaf]

what is this?

[vestal hearth]

eats operator, that operator can't be redeployed untill you'll kill the flower

can eat ranged too

[vocal leaf]

i know what they do, i mean it’s first time i see this variant, it’s usually just 6 or so at the beginning

[vestal hearth]

probably emergency

[vocal leaf]

no this is normal one, emergency gets red flowers

[glass monolith]

Nom nom mf

[vocal leaf]

in spanish we would say ñom ñom

[azure roost]

fun times

[void terrace]

Any uses for contrail

[azure roost]

free dps

can ignored ground enemy

abuse it

plus that fucker cycle fast anyway for skill

literally just free dps on field

[elder flume]

a lot

as you look at more stages theres more Contrail use there

[vestal hearth]

she can solon 1-7

[signal dew]

does the boss in rs-ex-8 have global range?

for his 2nd phase I mean

this skill in particular

[limpid ore]

not global but long enough to cover the map

like 10 tiles which is the stage width

[signal dew]

so even if he's at the bottom stairs when he's gotten to that HP he will still do it huh

shit

I don't see how I can survive it

I had like 5 healers

[limpid ore]

by litting the heater

additional attack for each unlit heater

[signal dew]

so the moment he changes he turns off the heaters

then I shouldn'tattack, focus on the heaters

then attack

this could work

[limpid ore]

also i only use 2 medic

[signal dew]

but do you use shu?

[limpid ore]

nightingale s3 since his frost nuke is arts dmg

i dont have any sui

[signal dew]

I don't have nightingale

ptilopsis and reed are my best ones

😔

[limpid ore]

reed is caster in disguise

[signal dew]

reed is insane

[somber falcon]

Support borrow system:

[limpid ore]

she cant heal if nothing to hit

[limpid ore]

i dont even use wisadel

[signal dew]

it could work without her

but

[somber falcon]

🚮

[limpid ore]

wis probably is more useful for keeping the heater on

[somber falcon]

Everyone did this just fine 1 year ago without her

[full terrace]

Wisadel works. What ops do you have anyway

[limpid ore]

typhoon surtr dps
gg specter2 for keeping heater alive
ng for phase 2 anti arts

[signal dew]

ignore lumen and like 3 other healers

alright did it

just had to focus on keeping the fires up

[full terrace]

Yah Wisadel can cover 3 Heaters, assign someone to-

Wait okay nvm

Congrats there

[signal dew]

tbh I just want the OP

[somber falcon]

now do the cm

[signal dew]

I'll just use myrtle

to defend myself I didn't use support OP in any other of the hard stages

just the boss

[limpid ore]

ines is less efficient here with the Frigid and all

[full terrace]

I wonder what I used last year for Harold

[somber falcon]

you didn't have the auto for it?

[full terrace]

Auto replaced when rerun started

Oh I remember now

I used Ash

[low rover]

thoughts on e0 harold vs e6 harold for a welfare only run?

[full terrace]

Wdym E6 😒

He sucks in my opinion, but he might be good for welfare only niche, you can ask @wicked minnow for that he plays Povertyknights

[limpid ore]

double standard poverty

[sterile wagon]

does boss bom drop (the drop deal cross shape dmg and turn off fire) have range?

and how his target Frigid priority work?

[glass monolith]

Turn off oven literally targets ovens

Closest to his ass

[sterile wagon]

can he target all the way other side of the stage (it is the only frigid turn on)?

[dapper hedge]

Pretty sure yes targeting latest that on 1st iirc

[halcyon adder]

Why units like virtuosa feel so strong in normal contents but so mid in harder contents like is?

[dapper hedge]

Cause her damage is fixed

[halcyon adder]

Is there way to buff elemental dmg?

[limpid ore]

10 tiles

[sterile wagon]

we have, but not much atm

[sterile wagon]

not the nuke, the atk turn of Frigid

[elder flume]

Marks the nearest 1/2 lit emergency heaters on the field , and after 5 seconds, drops snowballs to extinguish them, and deals magic damage equal to 100% of the attack power to allied units within 4 squares around them.
※If the emergency heater is extinguished during the lock period, the skill's snowball will not be triggered.

[limpid ore]

the phase change? 3 tiles

[elder flume]

Oh EN calls it Frigid?

Weirdge

[limpid ore]

it's called Chastising Touch

in EN

[somber falcon]

it's not

[limpid ore]

[elder flume]

I prefer Standing and Breakthrough

[sterile wagon]

noooo, he only have 1 atk that turn off Frigid bruh

[azure roost]

what you tlkging bout

[sterile wagon]

i was asking that skill target priority and range

[elder flume]

Closest
Infinite

[somber falcon]

those things are literally called heaters

frigid is entirely different thing

[sterile wagon]

thank

[limpid ore]

frigid is event mechanic

[somber falcon]

ye

[limpid ore]

the ingame tooltips of the boss said "nearest"

[somber falcon]

:enhands;

[signal dew]

purestream carry

going slow and just waiting to pop her skill did the trick

myrtle was useful too tbh

now I just need to do rs-ex-7 in cm

[sterile wagon]

nice

[sterile wagon]

yea, all range unit are like that v:

[dusky pumice]

Can someone share a strategy to farm RS-8? I already finished this stage, however all my timings on auto-deploy are broken, so I can´t farm it.

Once to know: I don´t have strong operators like alternative W (I forgot her name)

[lofty stag]

Do you have a built Ulpi and gladiia?

[placid shard]

Current squad + current operators available.

Im working on main story, 6-5, and want to increase my team strength because the missions are starting to feel unclearable without support units.

Any suggestions for team composition for main story in general? I plan on raising Blaze E2, then Pluma to E1 max, then thorns E2, then Saria E2, and replacing Kroos with Alter soon.

[dusky pumice]

No

[lofty stag]

Off to a not so great start

[dusky pumice]

Who is Ulpi?

[lofty stag]

Ulpianus

[dusky pumice]

Surely not

[lofty stag]

First off how built is ur roster

[dusky pumice]

Give me a minute

I already know that when I see this picture, some will die laughing, while others will lose their lower jaw somewhere on earth (from the realization of my inferiority), so please do not judge me harshly.

[lofty stag]

See I am gonna clown you

But I gotta help first

[dusky pumice]

"Unexpected"

[lofty stag]

Is this the squad that you cleared rs8 with

[dusky pumice]

Yes

Don´t ask me "how" pls

[lofty stag]

First thing is

Your healing is shit

[dusky pumice]

I know I'm a masochist, thanks

[lofty stag]

Or rather, you have 5 healers doing 1.5 healer things

Harold needs to go

Also maybe liskarm can help on s1

But I’d like to see what other ops you have

[dusky pumice]

Your desire to clown me will increase 12 times

[lofty stag]

If you do clown things, expect to get clowned

[dusky pumice]

Give me a sek

[dusky pumice]

You need a fool list? I ask ´cause most of ops i have i even doesn´t touched

[lofty stag]

Either

Just like the first 3 pages of 6 and 5 stars

Or you can upload your krooster

Assuming you dunno what a krooster is

It’s basically a site to upload your op collection

For easy viewing

[dusky pumice]

Unfortunately

[lofty stag]

It only takes like a min to upload your data to krooster

https://www.krooster.com/

This method is way easier than being picture bombed

[dusky pumice]

Sorry for keeping you waiting - I'm really slowbrain😞

How do I upload my krooster?

Nebermind, I already took to much time

Again, sorry, I'm really acting like a moron sometimes. Some things are really hard for me to grasp.

[placid shard]

Took me exactly 20 minutes

I cant figure out how to post my profile either tho

Where to find the sharing link

[dusky pumice]

That feeling when you feel like you're so stupid that the person who tried to help you went crazy

[dusky pumice]

I finally found how to get the link, I´m so fucking sorry I´m an a blind idiot
https://www.krooster.com/u/accel

[lofty stag]

After looking at your account, I feel you have more problems than just not being able to auto rs8

The problem extends to the account itself

[dusky pumice]

....

[lofty stag]

I might suggest going to #help for recommendations on how to fix this account

Cuz 20+ heads are better than one

Also investing in crownslayer was not the best play

[dusky pumice]

Is it some kind of joke, or not?

[lofty stag]

What is

[somber falcon]

those ops should be able to auto just fine

[dusky pumice]

Maybe yes

[lofty stag]

You sure?

I also see some potential

When you did your original clear, did you use a support unit @dusky pumice

[dusky pumice]

No, only my own ops

[lofty stag]

More potential for an auto then

So the clear

Is the auto sometimes failing, or always failing

[dapper hedge]

Why is your mastery all over the place lol

[lofty stag]

That is one of the glaring issues yes

[dapper hedge]

Raising pepe wouldve been much better with the current state of your account than CS

Mod3 SA but slv6 is some crazy work

[dusky pumice]

Always, every time the timing jumps forward for some reason - because of this, at the right timing the boss has more HP than he should have, and the operators' skills activate too early.

[lofty stag]

What I’m understanding is

Bad skill timings

Result in the boss being kept alive in some autos

Is that correct?

[dusky pumice]

Yes, as I see

[lofty stag]

From what I can tell, you heavily lack dps

Therefore bad skill timings hurt more

Your healers aren’t the likes of eyja or shu

And as such are borderline useless

Meaning you gotta cut them to make room for actual dps

Problem is

You kinda need to build some dps

That’s at least my solution

Maybe someone more knowledgeable can offer a solution in which you don’t need to build a new op

Now

You could also take the alternate route

And not farm rs8

And instead farm rs6

Or smth

[dusky pumice]

I wanted to farm material from RS-8

Well, not today

[lofty stag]

The next farm for the mat

Is around 6 months later

In path of life rerun

That’s also an option

In the meantime you could just buy the mat from the green cert store

That is again, if you choose the alternate route

[dusky pumice]

Crystalline are expensive

[lofty stag]

You could use the krooster planner

To see how necessary is crystalline

By inputting goals for building/improving ops

[dusky pumice]

I mean I usually try to collect so much rare mat as I can while event. This time i won´t...

Or I farm it manual all intire time event´s active

[lofty stag]

That would be painful imo

[dusky pumice]

I know

[lofty stag]

What you can do is

If you need the mat

Farm for it in the campaign

During dead days/weeks

[dusky pumice]

To rare

[lofty stag]

What else can you do if you need the mat

Now if you don’t need the mat

No harm no foul

Once you get an actual good team up and running

Is when you can consider stockpiling mats during events

[dusky pumice]

[lofty stag]

Other than build Pepe

And do masteries for silver ash and eyja

[dusky pumice]

Is it generally really worth it? She looks childish...

[lofty stag]

You can go to #help for other recommendations

[lofty stag]

And eyja isn’t?

[dusky pumice]

Actually... Okay, you´re right

[lofty stag]

You can start with those recommendations

And then come back to #help if you need more direction

People have been saved with far worse accounts

Another side advice

It is discouraged to level an e2 op beyond rarity*10

I.e.

6 stars kept at lvl 60

5 stars at lvl 50

And so on

Helps save lmd

[dusky pumice]

Is there some other ops I should build or get?

I mean, what´s your recommendations

[lofty stag]

Finish Ines masteries

Have you already used all your selectors?

[dusky pumice]

I did not

I still have it, checked right now

[lofty stag]

#help pins will tell you what to get for which selector

And start building those ops

Will take some time

But within max a month

You can have an actual good team

For general content

[dusky pumice]

Is there any way to get other ops like Skadi, without rolling? I heard there is some event´s I can clear to get them

-# meanwhile I still have like 70k of Orundum, and do not rolling

[lofty stag]

You do NOT want skadi

What you do want

Is kroos alter and tequila

Kroos from invitation to wine side story

And tequila from dossoles holiday side story

Tequila is an excellent dps

[dusky pumice]

Thanks for tips

[lofty stag]

Just some tips out of the truckloads you’ll need in the future

Also

Are you f2p or do you spend

[dusky pumice]

I donated only one time, since half of jear maybe.

As I said, i still have 70k of Orundum

[lofty stag]

The next biggest source of dps

Is the exualter banner

Around 3-4 months later

If you are not opposed to spending a few monies

Yu or Eblana are other good options

[dusky pumice]

Are 70k of Orundum + 50 Permits enoght?

[lofty stag]

If you pull nothing till exualter, and play everyday till then

Then exualter can be guaranteed

[dusky pumice]

Is it "Executor the Ex Foedere"?

[lofty stag]

❌

Exusiai the new covenant

Oh hey shileds

[next wigeon]

That's Exalt/Fedex

Exu2/Exualt is what Rbp said

[wicked minnow]

welfare pots mean that they cost 3 dp less so that's always nice. harold in particular tho is very niche in welfare only. usually you'd only ever use him for some stages that have elemental damage where he can somewhat make up for his lack of healing in comparison to Lumen for instance. sometimes his range is nice but that doesnt usually play a factor when his competition also has good range

[full terrace]

What kind of advice is this

[full terrace]

You dont need fancy ops, this is enough to make RS-8 auto

[lofty stag]

Arf I was thinking of retrieving you

[full terrace]

The key point is to activate all the Heaters when you are about to dps the boss

The Heaters play a significant role on the boss

It does: 1. Weaken the boss by removing his DR. 2. Reducing the number of nukes he does during Phase 2. If you light up all Heaters during Phase 2, your ops will survive just fine coz he only does 1 nuke

Aside from that it's just a dps timing and laneholding

The boss also does 1 circle before walking to the bottom side so you got plenty time to recharge your primary dps skill

[lofty stag]

Arf you can really #strategy better than me

[wicked minnow]

not sure if you meant me but -3 dp cost is always nice. i dont see why you'd not go for it if you are doing welfare only. the 2 other pots dont usually matter so that's the main consideration. if he's asking on harold in particular he has some stages he's used in where he's hard to replace in the low op but for other cases he's used as generic healer with some range

[lofty stag]

No shileds he was talking about the other guy

The can’t auto rs8 guy

[wicked minnow]

oh damn

[dusky pumice]

I generally understand the principle you´re talking about, Arf, Thanks

The problem is - I have no idea how to build my timings correct

[lofty stag]

Arf you take over with helping I gotta go eat 🥹

[wicked minnow]

i just got my food and am eating rn :ya:

[dusky pumice]

Go eat, don´t wanna make you still hungry

[full terrace]

Here is a quick simulation I did with your squad. The Eyjaberry is any of your Medics (I saw you raised quite a few of them), for an accurate simulation I did not use her skill at all so your Medics should perform better than her.

@dusky pumice you use that video as positioning reference, that is already your squad minus Eyjaberry so

[full terrace]

You understand the principle then make good use of them, as long as the Heaters timing are precise your auto will not break

Wisadel and friends are overpowered yes but you can substitute them and compensate their firepowers by bringing more ops

[full terrace]

No, I meant the other guy

[wicked minnow]

ye i backread a bit. got a gist of the situation

[full terrace]

That Harold thingy you're the expert thats why I linked them to you

[sage pagoda]

I'm on 7-18 and I cannot beat patriot for the life of me and I don't wanna look up a guide just yet so does anyone have tips for him?

[wicked minnow]

what does your squad look like?

[sage pagoda]

I get past his first phase no problem but then he gets into his evil ass god mode second phase and murders everyone

He fucking pimp smacked everyone man this is cruel

[wicked minnow]

2nd phase you can try using logos to deal with a majority of that phase you might have to just position him right

im not sure how well cuora does at tanking him at that level

but he deals significantly less physical damage in his second phase

[brisk surge]

So true breastie

[south spindle]

That’s my line

[sage pagoda]

Usually by the time I get him out of first phase he's in the perfect position to strangle all my ops

[full terrace]

Logos-Amiya should be enough to burst his Phase 2. You can also abuse a killgate and delay the etc enemies from spawning. Focus on Patriot while the enemies are delayed. Patriot spear will target your farthest high ground operator so you need to bring some fodder units and bait this attack

Otherwise he'll just demolish both your Logos and Amiya

Engineer it in a way that when your Logos/Amiya is about to dps him, he steps on a mine

The mines apply Fragile effect

That helps with your dps a lot, like a lot

[sage pagoda]

A little confused at what you mean by abuse a killgate?

Like place a guard operator or something at one of the enemy gates or?

[full terrace]

Around 16/45 or 17/45, if you do not kill the last few etc enemies and stall them, the next wave of enemies will not spawn

So the entire stage will be empty and you can focus all your firepower on Patriot

[sage pagoda]

OH WHAT

[full terrace]

Once you kill Patriot, then you can kill the etc enemies you were stalling earlier

The next wave will begin at 19/45

That is the killgate

[sage pagoda]

OK THE KILLGATE WORKS

I STILL LOST CAUSE I DIDN'T PLACE THEM PROPERLY BUT IT WORKS

OK

[full terrace]

You can for example, use a Defender and assign a Medic to that Defender

To stall longer

Then take your sweet time to dps Patriot

With Logos and Amiya

Make sure you bring units like Ranger, Lancet-2 etc

And deploy them somewhere far

Patriot will hit them

When they die, just deploy another

[wicked minnow]

i just did an unbelievably scuffed ass clear

anyway

logos s2 even without his mod kills the boss in like 5 seconds

amiya + mines can deal with first phase

killgate would be a safer option probably but you got the units for the stage

[full terrace]

I believe there is also enough time for redeployment, like using Logos to kill Phase 1, retreat and redeploy him, and have him kill Phase 2 something like that

Patriot circles around

There are many ways to handle him

[sage pagoda]

I'll try to see if I can use the mines to fragile since a full logos s2 only gets him to like half hp

[wicked minnow]

phase 2?

ye i used fragile

and the level of the logos was 60 with sl7

so maybe the slight level difference could be it

[sage pagoda]

na, phase 1

think i should just be using amiya for that one anyway cause there's no shot im killing him with logos s2 while he has six billion defense or some shit

[haughty flower]

Chat, hear me out. Logos + Gnosis.

This shit has one of the best bursts on patriot if I remember right, and stalls him out

[wicked minnow]

you should be using amiya s3 and have patriot walk into a couple mines to be sure you get him

logos mainly for phase 2

narantuya with some tank should be able to hold bottom left

[dusky pumice]

Seen like it begann to work correct . I´ll test it a few times more to be sure.

[sage pagoda]

yeah, using her s1 with mountain and degenbrecher to hold bottom left

[wicked minnow]

yeah that should be good

[wicked minnow]

the boss has really high res and defense during phase 1. logos is still able to damage him but significantly less than normal enemies. amiya s3 and the mines deal true damage which bypasses his defense and res

phase 2 he loses a big part of this increased res and defense so logos is able to deal with him

[dusky pumice]

On try number 3 I got bad timing... again. Will try to fix it

[blissful slate]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/moonlight29

Whats a good squad i can make for story with my roster (still have my 6 star ticket and my 7 day login ticket)

[full terrace]

@sage pagoda here is some Mines timing for your reference. I used Amiya only coz mine is S3M3, you can use Logos to compensate that lack of firepower.

You can use 12F or your Narantuya on that far right tile to bait his spear attack, both 12F and Narantuya can dodge Physical Damage, and since the spear is Physical Damage, they can be dodged like you seen in the video.

[dusky pumice]

Finallly i got it. 6 from 6 tries wre succesful. @full terrace thank you very very very very very very very much for your reference, i´m so glad now...

[full terrace]

You are welcome

[south spindle]

https://youtube.com/@arflanyr

Darn thought I’d nail the link

Oh wow I’m so smart

Just needed the @

[noble hollow]

the new kyostinv?

[south spindle]

pretty much

kyostinv at home

[noble hollow]

i think you mean kyostinv but better

[south spindle]

oh yes

[full terrace]

Nah lol I just wanna leave something behind in case I quit 😂

[south spindle]

ig saying at home is weird

so i can have your account right :3

does it have ela + yato :3

[noble hollow]

ill take the yalter ty need to lose more brain cells

[full terrace]

In case newbies followed #help recommendations but are lost at what to do

[south spindle]

🥹

did you make

playlists

or do i have to make them for you

[full terrace]

Not yet bro, after Chapter 7 I'll make it

[lofty stag]

Wow light is arf’s manager

[south spindle]

Put chapters 1/2 in their own list

and DH in seperate

smh not that hard!

[full terrace]

😂

[noble hollow]

lacking emojis

[south spindle]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNPoUbQTglPXOsR5UjuuS0YxaBkOaQLbK

[sage pagoda]

SMOKED HIS ASS RAHHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-ripbozo-pitalonzo-alex-lafreniere-alex-iafreniere-gif-18890780

THANKS FOR THE HELP