strategy

[full terrace]

I'm not raising him right away 🤣

But I will in the future, for the Gold Bars!

[leaden kraken]

I've not used an optimized base for 2 years. Purely for passive trust farm 😛

[full terrace]

Then dont pull lol

Save your permits for Mon3tr and friends

[leaden kraken]

Mon3tr ❤️

[steel kiln]

I think this event just hates me. How do y’all stop the boss from pressing the win button on your entire squad?

[leaden sierra]

bait it with gravel. Also don't place your operators together. You can also make the boss sink into the sand.

[steel kiln]

Only his first form is immune, going by the description

So I need to find a way to resist the cannons and hold back the enemies, then

[leaden sierra]

Yes you gotta phase change him and then block until he sinks, if you damage him he'll use the teleport thing (based on HP%).

are you trying it clear it without a support unit?

[steel kiln]

Yeah

Mainly because I don’t know who to use for support

[leaden sierra]

gotcha, for general starts I recommend looking into some 4* clears

they give good foundation ideas that work with most teams

or you know... just struggle until you figure it out

I usually prefer the latter

[full terrace]

Here #strategy message and here #strategy message

[steel kiln]

Same lol

I don’t like to use guides unless I really have to, because then what’s even the point of playing the game?

[leaden sierra]

Yeah you don't have to 1 to 1 mirror them, just find the key ideas and steal them for your strats.

[void terrace]

Im really surprised by his thornsalters damage output

Maybe its just caus im using him with ptilo and the nian siblings

But being able to constantly spam a massive aoe skill really thins out big waves

And againsy bosses with aoe damage his healing can still keep up

[full terrace]

Yah I like his range

I mean I'm comfortable with Tin Man play sooo

Thorns is an upgrade

Dps is lacking tho

I mean compared to Logos and friends

[leaden sierra]

S2 is great, S3 feels clunky and needs setup, but may be useful in a future CC (we'll have to see). He's the next AoE after Walter and I already loved tin man gameplay so this is amazing. The only issue I find is that tin man can self heal while thorns can throw it too far resulting in no heals.

[full terrace]

But that range is really nice

[leaden sierra]

I think it would be fine if he was buffable, but he doesn't have any crit talents so you'll be getting linear benefits from buffs.

[somber falcon]

@viscid mist

[brisk surge]

Zamn

[keen flower]

EP8 (Ray's cute )

[timid nacelle]

what's with the overkill

[void terrace]

Weeeellll his skills are all big multiples

Plus he can basic attack during skills

Stacking 2 s2s gives 360% atk per second

Skadance could easily upgrade his damage a lot

[narrow pendant]

🥀

[leaden sierra]

That's balanced out with him having around 600 ATK (talent included), if you use 2 at a time, that's 2160 arts per second for 19 seconds with 40 SP cost (41k total damage). For ref lappy alter has 4.7k DPS with 1k coming from her dynamic AOE arts with 90k total (in 19s, her S3 lasts for 40s).
You have to have a LOT of enemies for him to be more viable damage-wise. Realistically, his best use case is when you need both the AoE damage and the healing. But he has more flexible cycles over gg and lappy, so I can see him being used to kill enemies you can't get close to or don't wanna.

On the CN side, there is a cool H13-2 clear with thorns alter S2 and phantom alter S3, where he just decimates the entire left side of idle whip guys.

[weary grotto]

What do i even do here

[glass monolith]

Good boss design. You need to cope being lazered in face.

[elder flume]

Surely Contrail can avoid

[glass monolith]

Tankiest units in front and burst/aoe medics

[weary grotto]

I mean, i dont even put any ops there

And yet this lizard still lazer the entire floor

[elder flume]

Youre supposed to block it

Or else it tile bans

[leaden sierra]

gummy up front and everyone behind her, I hope that Yato is on S3. Also can sacrifice gravel to tank extra lazer hits

[limpid ore]

Sui-Facade

Sui (but different word character)

[proud dune]

Does Yato Alter just melt him

[elder flume]

Pretty much

Multihit 4 tiles instaskill

Wont have to bother sword

[tidal sedge]

Am I able to clear ep 7 with dis? I dunno how to get them

[weary grotto]

I just realized that you can cheese strat a bit with suzu mom

[timid nacelle]

easily

probably over kill

[wicked minnow]

just like e2 ulpianus and watch him slaughter everything in sight. Should also just be very easy with everyone else

[timid nacelle]

oh this was a fat while ago I am dumb

[wicked minnow]

well they didnt get an answer here so

[timid nacelle]

imma go hit is5 ig

time for another ray start + talon

[tidal sedge]

how do I deal with them i die

I try to deploy on their side and die and killing the light units doesn't count toward winning

[void terrace]

Hmmm is hoederer good as a wall now in IS5?

I see quite of few clears of him just casually tanking a lot of stuff

[weary grotto]

What is the way to beat lucian diamon blood?

[lofty sundial]

he has high HP even without relic, so after getting is5 relic buffs of course he is hard to die now, and deals more dmg

[hearty canyon]

Is this possible with this line up lmao

[void terrace]

You need to find some way for shu to tank patriot

Which is hard

Change ethan for any healer

[hearty canyon]

just tried it and lost, I was able to tank patriot first phase but shu died right after

I tried to do no logos and wisadel challenge and still reached last boss

[scarlet fulcrum]

No point repeating same monthly tbh, just play normally

[vocal leaf]

he solo boss p1 in ed4

[timid nacelle]

I am positive both mlynar and SA outrange both dudes u want to kill
u just redeploy SA for the second guy since he isn't like mlynar where u ptefer to keep him
but u don't need to be directly in their face for that
the rest of the mobs should be light work for bp eyja ulpi and lappland

so just position a bit more behind and don't rush too much to kill the spawnin dudes cuz it's not a kill gate in this stage but rather a spawn gate

[pure orchid]

I caved in and made 12 man ep8 auto

Nymph is fraud

[steel prairie]

huh ??? and I missing some cutscenes ??? why does this feels so short ??? (so this and the Nearl Light event has a massive time skip ?)

[pure orchid]

#ak-lore

[steel prairie]

uhh Im not talking about the story... Im saying is that all the levels ???

um I suppose to scroll down or anything ?

[pure orchid]

You were talking about cutscenes and a time skip, thats lore

Anyways thats all for mn

[steel prairie]

oh I meant because it feels super off

like hidden levels or smth

[pure orchid]

Theres ex but they dont have story

[steel prairie]

so thats literally it ?

[pure orchid]

Near light was released much later than maria nearl

Idk what else u expect

The number of stages is pretty standard

[steel prairie]

yeah ik but it feels like there were suppose to have more levels and cutscenes (the stand alones... not with the levels)

[scarlet fulcrum]

There are breaking news article on MN if u interested, just google it

[steel prairie]

oh its a manga ???

[crisp bolt]

[steel prairie]

or just a story that somehow is not in the game ???

[south spindle]

There’s canon content outside of the game on official media sources yes

[scarlet fulcrum]

nah its like article(s) about the tournament and partici(pants)

[south spindle]

Go figure

[pure orchid]

The ongoing event rn has literally the same number of normal and story stages as MN

this is normal

[south spindle]

Idk about nearl stuff but stuff about laterano I know exists

[pure orchid]

if story, this is #ak-lore territory

[south spindle]

Yes

[scarlet fulcrum]

Same case with NL, there is also lore article(s) there. Smt like nearl infected being faked

[pure orchid]

Me when i pray for Nearl family downfall

[scarlet fulcrum]

And other stuff like old man background

[pure orchid]

how do we not have any mlynar emotes wtf

[scarlet fulcrum]

not him but sure

[pure orchid]

Whar

[steel prairie]

you monster lol

[pure orchid]

Sry i dont read

[scarlet fulcrum]

In summary just check wiki

[pure orchid]

I mean those who faked nearl infected want nearl fam downfall

[full terrace]

Why 12

[noble pewter]

Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

[elder flume]

Surely this wont break for the 12th time

[lofty sundial]

thats a weird squad

[elder flume]

Just a trust farm

[crisp bolt]

I have a stable 3 op trust farm with walter + texalter + ascalon

I wanted to lower it but man this stage is annoying and I gave up

[weak gazelle]

that one its easy and surely very stable

the main problem is clear time

well i do with spawnkill strat but still feel too long

[pure orchid]

The one sarkaz in my squad:

[pure orchid]

I cant make stable w 4-5

[full terrace]

4 is already pretty stable especially if you run Ulpi-Gladiia

Phase 1 is no problem I assume?

Phase 2 you just line them 3 blockers

Ulpi and Gladiia are got self healing so you dont need Medics

3rd one can be FRD or any Guardian Defender

[pure orchid]

Gladiia is um erm

Not s1m3

So she leak from cring

[full terrace]

You are not using her for her dps

Just block and have Wis shot

[pearl breach]

arf, is it possible to do IS4 starter with ange

[full terrace]

Say for example, Wis-Ulpi-Glad-Saria, I trust you have all of them?

[pure orchid]

nono like

put stuff in hole

cant do

well not fast enough

[full terrace]

Why put stuff in the hole, Wis can lanehold

[wary shuttle]

how do the EX levels of this compare to prior events

[full terrace]

It's possible if you cope enough, but you'll most likely leak here and there

I suggest not using her as starter because leaking = raising your Collapsal Paradigm, managing that thing is difficult especially in high difficulty

Thing about IS4 is that, there are a lot of those Collapsal runners, it's annoying especially on early floors

So generally, units that can block actually have an edge as starter over ranged units

Unless it's Wisadel

[maiden hound]

is wis shadow compliant with heidi s2

[full terrace]

Interesting question but I'd like to think it's a no?

Anyone with Heidi raised I can borrow? I can do the test real quick

It's a no from Myrtle so I'm guessing it's a no from Heidi too if it follows the same logic

[hoary ridge]

Gods, I love it when a boss mechanic is completely invalidated by a single skill

Fun Fact: Contrail's immune to the boss' entire kit while hovering. This includes splash effects from his AoEs hitting nearby units.

[full terrace]

Those are known facts

[hoary ridge]

Aye
can't imagine that anything that's released on EN hasn't been thoroughly dissected by CN players

I just discovered 'em on my own tho

didn't look up anything about the bloke

[foggy grove]

flags module says operator while heidi says ally

so it does works differently
heidi increase wis pet block count

[south spindle]

i can test it

give me 5 min

[foggy grove]

i mean i already did but knock yourself out

[south spindle]

oh u did

okay

[foggy grove]

it blocked enemy too

[south spindle]

is tragodia s2 supposed to block

[foggy grove]

[full terrace]

Yeah her S2 does raise Revenant Shadows' block count

[maiden hound]

alright thanks

[pure orchid]

Oh yh i do

Do you have a strat thats fast

[pure orchid]

I mean yeah, even if the boss skill is ranged, the boss itself is still a ground enemy

[full terrace]

Gimme a minute

[pure orchid]

[vocal leaf]

why is saria? i would swap wis and saria for texalt and thorns, especially if no s1m3 gladiia

[narrow pendant]

Just kill him however u want with who ever u want as long as u get stable auto

[glass monolith]

Stable auto EP-8 hehehe

[dapper hedge]

But my trust farm...

[glass monolith]

My current EP-8 auto is so unstable it stabalize itself

[narrow pendant]

Trust farm sugar stage🥱

Grinstone has another farm

Sugar has 0

🥹

[vocal leaf]

stable and fast, imagine waiting those stealth guys to move, kill them with texalt

[glass monolith]

And 0 usages

[elder flume]

Sora awakens the bridgemakers

[vocal leaf]

texalt also help getting rid of the cannons and rush boss p1

[weak gazelle]

funny thing i keep using sugar :ya:
stock 50 before and now 0
(farm again to 30) :icant:

[glass monolith]

i have 180 and i still can't remember if i ever farmed it or it is all from event shops

[weak gazelle]

saw a lot players complain about ep8 unstable auto
seem like not worth to grind it

[glass monolith]

Just get stable auto

[weak gazelle]

knowing these event maps is time gated type

[vocal leaf]

what is unstable about it?

[elder flume]

mainly phase 2 start

other part is dash trigger

[glass monolith]

Boss sometimes does jack shit like having longer Irene S3 spin causing it to move differently so it will get blocked at different moment, lose DR at different moment, blink at different time, in different spot etc

[vocal leaf]

surely it’s because they don’t use texalt

[elder flume]

real

[weak gazelle]

no idea, didnt try it yet
i saw weedy blockshift thing

[elder flume]

.

[weak gazelle]

average ep8 clear time?

[elder flume]

fastest is around 2mins

[weak gazelle]

its above 2 min?

[vocal leaf]

i see, that’s a lot of shifters

[weak gazelle]

as i tho, speedrun is impossible huh

[elder flume]

spawncamp is roughly 2mins on the dot

[vocal leaf]

yeah mine is 2 min with 4 ops

[glass monolith]

Mine is like 2m 20s

[elder flume]

if you deploy blocker leftside immediately Anastasio doesnt get dr

[weak gazelle]

yeah no way i would grind this ep8
my stone stock still safe anyway :ya:

[steel prairie]

Im having a existential crisis now... I feel like now Im succumbing to Rayrot

I got Ray... and it feels like she is making the game way too easy now

[glass monolith]

Man you won't like upcoming operators for sure

[vocal leaf]

as long as you have fun, who cares

[narrow pendant]

2nd best sniper in the game after all🥱

rn

[glass monolith]

Holding myself from bying Ray skin without owning Ray

[narrow pendant]

I like default ray more

Tummy

🥹

[vocal leaf]

i feel like i won’t get anyone, im still pulling for thorns

[narrow pendant]

M*le curse

[glass monolith]

Banner is cursed took me 160, at least Gao alter and Bomber Rat obtained so me happy

[narrow pendant]

Bomber rat? Doro?

[glass monolith]

Yes

[steel prairie]

just dew it

dew it

[glass monolith]

Yes yes here is my Potato W skin brought before it was upgraded to L2D, where W

[steel prairie]

but honestly I dont need to complain about enemies that need arts dmg... for now

she just brute forces it

[steel prairie]

is she actually the 2nd best sniper behind W ???

thats still very good tbh

[narrow pendant]

Ye

[glass monolith]

"Enemy need Arts damage"

"Bro has Ray"
Understandable

[steel prairie]

I didnt expect her to brute force it THAT easily

hell even Shwarz have issues against it

[narrow pendant]

Ye cuz shwarz sucks

[steel prairie]

I feel like thats the real powercreep

its what happens when you combine the range and rate of fire of GT and Shwarz stopping power... you got Ray

tho I dont think she can carry my squad on anni like W do tho

[vocal leaf]

it’s almost the same as me having the skin but never raising the said ops i luckily didn’t like near alt skin otherwise i would’ve bought it too

now i want to refund that op

[steel prairie]

can I have your NTR knight pls ?

[steel prairie]

bruh how come no one presuaded you to raise Surtr ???

wtf ?

[vocal leaf]

+40 OP wasted and ops i will never build

[vocal leaf]

useless to me

[steel prairie]

same

[narrow pendant]

Homie is gay male only

[steel prairie]

squishy

[narrow pendant]

[steel prairie]

ayo lets leave the discrimination in AK lore only LOL

for me Surtr is just too squishy

[vocal leaf]

i have so many other things to play around i don’t need her, especially with texalt doing almost the same but “faster”

[steel prairie]

damn I also want Tex alt

[vocal leaf]

Yes! Happy Pride Month

[narrow pendant]

Shes not supposed to be tanky so

[steel prairie]

but also Im in the same shoes as you... with Ray I probably dont need to raise Surtr anymore

but Im kinda of angry that I did quite invest some into her

[narrow pendant]

Thats unfortunetly not how it works really but🥹

[steel prairie]

honestly I raised Surtr to E1 lvl60 and now I feel vvery wasted

could have spared some for others

also La Pluma is very good too... my very first Reaper

probably dont need Zuo anymore lol

Zuo probably still have use cause I need that barrier

[narrow pendant]

Zuo > pluma

[steel prairie]

2 different roles tbh... but similar

cant be healed... but hits hard

wait can reapers be healed or no ???

[vocal leaf]

me with shining i remember i raised her during jessalt event debut

[full terrace]

Saria and Surtr also works if you want, Ulpi/Saria task is just to tank Phase 1, and tank the first 30% HP of Phase 2 under Cannon fire. Difference between Ulpi/Saria is that Ulpi can dash forward and do one more 30% HP tank, if you use Saria then Surtr will be the second tank

[full terrace]

You do you. You wanna play Wisless thats your problem, but advising others with Thorns thats clearly suboptimal is different matter.

[steel prairie]

is Shinning a bad healer ???

[narrow pendant]

Yes

She sucks

[steel prairie]

why ???

[full terrace]

@pure orchid that should be stable enough, lemme know if your auto breaks

[narrow pendant]

Because

Free 5* u get is better

[steel prairie]

even tho she is a 6 star ???

[vocal leaf]

no, i mean he can hit air, the hovering guys, doesn’t wis need timing for that?

[narrow pendant]

6* ≠ good automaticaly

[steel prairie]

by that you mean Silence ??? well since she is a 6 star... is she atleast tankier than Silence ???

[narrow pendant]

Why would a healer need ti be tanky

[steel prairie]

because AOE doesnt discriminate... there is no GEneva COnvention is AK after all lol

[vocal leaf]

oh nvm, you using texalt s3, i used s2 so that’s why i need someone hitting air

[narrow pendant]

Then fix it with positioning

[steel prairie]

because if a enemy has AOE and your healer just happens to be near by.... usually the healer dies first

[limpid ore]

game literally have tutorial on how to deal against AoE attack

[steel prairie]

what if its a cramped map ??? (a smol map with not many options to place)

like uhh for example

[narrow pendant]

Place less ops so u have more free space

When someone dies, place another op in their place

Dont need to have placed all possible units at once

🥹

[steel prairie]

was it EX-6 on the seaborn map I think ??? you know those glassy Seaborn that explodes ??? yeah that map is so small you literally cant place your healer out of reach

[full terrace]

Wis can but that way she needs to wait for 1 more cycle for the boss, and thats like slower auto so yeah I do Texas S3 and save like 30ish secs? I didnt count

[steel prairie]

Im currently on a mission so one sec

[narrow pendant]

U say ex6, thats every event with ex6

🥹

[steel prairie]

hold on... I will show you.. its because of those AOE glassy seaborns

[narrow pendant]

Aoe glass seaborn?

[vocal leaf]

how fast is this in auto tho? seems slow, you even letting the boss walk in the sand

[narrow pendant]

Theres stultifera seaborn and undertides seaborn

Oh and path of life seaborn

And the only aoe that i recall that the seaborns do, are the big arm cannon guys in path to life
The eggs(technicaly) of undertides

And thats like..it

[limpid ore]

SN ball spinner

UT and PL screaming flower

[full terrace]

@pure orchid Surtr/Saria, whichever you like

[narrow pendant]

Thats mutli target not aoe technically, no?

And only on those who are on the uh..floor

Forgot the name of it

Neathersea brand

Ye

[limpid ore]

different enemy

[narrow pendant]

Ball spinner

The is3?. No way righ

Wait imma eiki this

[limpid ore]

ball spinner

aoe damage to surroundings

this one is the one that target all in brand

[narrow pendant]

Uh this ball spiner

it is just an aura, same with flower

But i suppose

[limpid ore]

not the IS3 ball tosser

the sea is full of balls

[glass monolith]

Aura farmer

[steel prairie]

ok here you go... look at this map... its cramped as fuk... where you you gonna place your medics to avoid getting hit by the crawlers AOE attack ???

[scarlet mortar]

just don't hit them

[steel prairie]

wat ??? just let them thro then ???

[scarlet mortar]

that or stun them

[narrow pendant]

I camp them on the sides so they dont come to the middle

[steel prairie]

I dont think I have a single stun Ops besides Lin

[narrow pendant]

Problem solved

[steel prairie]

even then she isnt a true stunner

[scarlet mortar]

they're also silence vuln iirc

[steel prairie]

errr which side ???

[scarlet mortar]

silence, freeze, stun should neuter them

[steel prairie]

wdym by side ??? isnt your Ops that trying to camp them gonna die ???

[narrow pendant]

As far as i rmb they comes from the sides
So just kill them at the sides so they do not come to the middle where everyone else is

But its been a long time so maybe im rmbing wrong

[steel prairie]

which unit has the tankyness and the firepower to deal with them then ???

[scarlet mortar]

they waddle pretty slowly, you can throw a body or two to stall them so they reach mid while nothing else is there

or outright kill them at the sides yh

they don't even stun in one burst

[steel prairie]

who can kill them outright on the side tho ???

[scarlet mortar]

idk go try

who do you have

[steel prairie]

ik but they still hit like a truck... one blast and your op loses 50% hp

[scarlet mortar]

nah

[steel prairie]

oh I did beat it... Im just showing him a example of a cramped map where you medic will eventually get hit no matter where you place them

but I did not camp the sides

[dapper hedge]

Dont you have chen

[steel prairie]

sheer luck

[dapper hedge]

She can stun

[scarlet mortar]

it takes two bursts for them to proc NI iirc

[steel prairie]

yeah but its not gonna be a one hit kill... her S3 will leave around 20% hp left and then they will return back the dmg to my ops

[scarlet mortar]

no they won't

their range isn't that large

just put ops further away besides ch'en

[steel prairie]

if Skadi died I would be crying for help but she fukin hard carry like HOLY

[steel prairie]

wont it startle the crying flower ??? (it spawns immedietly)

err

scared flower ???

[scarlet mortar]

well yh the flowers are a much bigger threat in that map

idk why you're worried abt the eggs

[steel prairie]

because the flowers at first wipped out my VG... and then once the guards came they all nearly died to the eggs

[glass monolith]

Same reason worry about EB - Kill first, "why the fuck it punished me for it?" later

[steel prairie]

also most of my VG are not fast redeploy lol

waiting for Bagpipe to respawn takes ages

[scarlet mortar]

the strat to dispatch the flowers is much harder than the one to kill the eggs

so like, yh go figure out how to kill flowers better

[elder flume]

eggs dont do damage unless you damage them so theyre easier to stall

[steel prairie]

ik but its because after the flower and once the eggs kill my Ops I have like nothing left to deploy

[steel prairie]

yeah thats the issue... I kill them super slowly... which in return ended up stunning my team

dont have a good one shot

[scarlet mortar]

that means you screwed up dealing with the flowers

not the eggs lol

[steel prairie]

yeah.... but how you also deal with them ???

[scarlet mortar]

good question!

[glass monolith]

Kill them before you die

Oh wait they have shit ton of stats... Stall them before they bleed out with some cursed management of that cursed elemental damage

[scarlet mortar]

your ops last longer if the cars are next to the tower, that's abt as good as i think you can handle them

[steel prairie]

can Ops dodge stat reduce their chances of getting stunned ???

[elder flume]

killing eggs slowly is what you want for low end lol
the less atk the egg staller has the better
every 15% hp loss they do nervous

[scarlet mortar]

red/kafka can extend the time you have for them to bleed out

[narrow pendant]

I mean

[steel prairie]

90% is just me praying the flowers not to stun my Bagpipe and Flametail

[steel prairie]

Zuo barrier isnt immune to stuns I think right ???

[narrow pendant]

No, he just kills it

[elder flume]

immune to damage isnt immune to status

[steel prairie]

bruh

[scarlet mortar]

no lol

[steel prairie]

dammit

[narrow pendant]

Want me to use even weaker ops with just texalt? I can

[scarlet mortar]

iirc many stuns are independent of the damage-dealing attack

[steel prairie]

nah use someone weaker than Texas Alt... she herself is broken enough already

[scarlet mortar]

but also this is different, the stun comes from the gauge damage

[steel prairie]

my first question tho... how is your Hibicus still alive ??? cause thats where I placed my Silence... and she died instantly to the eggs

unless she respawned

[narrow pendant]

Calling texalt broken in 2025🥀

[steel prairie]

look man... I saw her used in the current event start to farm that grindstone

[narrow pendant]

I used texalt + kroos to kill the egg on the left side

[steel prairie]

pretty broken to me

[narrow pendant]

[steel prairie]

how tf they still alive then ???

[narrow pendant]

It didnt hurt hibu at all

[steel prairie]

actually

[narrow pendant]

Cuz it has a range? Which isnt big enougj to reach either of them

[scarlet mortar]

the aoe doesn't hit diagonally at that distance

[steel prairie]

where did you place your Texas Alt ???

[narrow pendant]

On the egg itself

[elder flume]

theres too many ways to kill tbh
my way is shifting and stalling which works well with flower self damage and eggs never nearing my ops but that takes investment
others just drop bodies to replace or outrange 2.5 radius
they dont even use Purestream smh

[steel prairie]

TF ????????

[narrow pendant]

Like, right on its ass

[steel prairie]

HUH ???

[scarlet mortar]

bro is flabbergasted

[steel prairie]

I did that and my Skadi lost like 70% of her hp right off the bat

[scarlet mortar]

this must be how it feels to chew 5gum

[elder flume]

because Skadi doesnt have stun

[steel prairie]

yeah ikr

[steel prairie]

?

wdym by that ?

[elder flume]

Texalt is stunning to cancel the attack

[steel prairie]

ohhhhhhhh

[scarlet mortar]

stunning the egg prevents it from exploding

[steel prairie]

ok

[scarlet mortar]

^

[steel prairie]

err...... besides Lin which only stuns very little... who can stun ???

[scarlet mortar]

like i said 15m ago

[elder flume]

theyre silence immune

[steel prairie]

Chen can stun but she hits like 1 target ???

[scarlet mortar]

are they? thought that was a CC tag

[elder flume]

im on PRTS saying immune

[narrow pendant]

I actually used s2 not s3

[scarlet mortar]

eh stun go

[narrow pendant]

So no stun

[steel prairie]

yeah Im pretty sure they are silence immune... or else my Lappa wouldnt have died

[elder flume]

many ways to kill indeed

[narrow pendant]

S2 kills them quicker so they just fall over and die

[steel prairie]

because my Lappa is usually at the back of the pack... so she should have silenced them long time ago

[narrow pendant]

Sure, texalt got stunned, but she almost killed it so kroos finished it off

[scarlet mortar]

me when i eben blast and move on with my day

[steel prairie]

I assume your TexAlt is E290 ???

[narrow pendant]

Fearblast is superior im afraid

[narrow pendant]

I dont own texalt

U can see its borrowed

[scarlet mortar]

ew 2025 op

[steel prairie]

oh ok

[dapper hedge]

Discord mobile is so fucking ass when uploading vid i gave up

[narrow pendant]

Yeah

Sometimes i go to website discord on phone

[steel prairie]

lmao I mean its mobile lol

because of the flowers I was forced to cramp up my units in the middle

but even then I doubt anyone would survive them when camping on side

[scarlet mortar]

ftr it's better to not deploy many ops against the flowers

[steel prairie]

problem is that they can also stun and they leak you

[scarlet mortar]

at your level they'd probs take more damage from bleeding to death

[dapper hedge]

You just use gravel then dps them from far

[narrow pendant]

Its starting to sound like overcomplicating something with a simple answer

[dapper hedge]

Theyll just eventually kill themselves too

[steel prairie]

Im like begging Bagpipe to get her S3 ready in time...

[dapper hedge]

You basically just dont stack bodies

[steel prairie]

well the stun is a pain in the ass... also how did you kill the flowers ???

[hoary ridge]

Still surprising that splash damage doesn't reach 'em, though
that feels like something that should still hit them

[narrow pendant]

...texalt

[steel prairie]

well thats way better from what I have lol

against them

[narrow pendant]

She drops them to like 20% hp and they just die by themselves

[scarlet mortar]

archetype trait says nope

[steel prairie]

at best I drop my VG and pray

[narrow pendant]

I mean, borrow

[scarlet mortar]

they basically gain invis against ground enemies

[steel prairie]

oh... but lets say no borrowing (like me)

[hoary ridge]

really surprised it's invis and not camo

[narrow pendant]

Then whatever u habe, idr your roster🥹

[steel prairie]

because I did 0 borrowing on it... but its still pain in the ass.... and of course Im gonna face more of them

and that map was cramped af

[scarlet mortar]

who up arkrec send myon the 3* clear or sth

[elder flume]

other stunners are May Ambriel Click as the usual low end
higher rarity theres too much to name including accessible ones like
Enforcer from Guide Ahead
Krooster from Invitation to Wine
Bibeak from CC shop
Cliffheart from newbie 5star selector
CS from Lapp2 since you did it

many more
sleep also works
freeze also works
levitate also works

[steel prairie]

wait Krooster stuns ??? I never seen her stun

[scarlet mortar]

bruh lmfao

go look at her talent

[hoary ridge]

if you happen to have her, Ash can easily handle the walking rock seaborn.

her s2 hard-counters 'em

kroos alter's stun is attached to her crit talent

[steel prairie]

I honestly hardly see Krooster stun... I just use her machine gun like GT

[hoary ridge]

the stun's extremely short, too

[steel prairie]

ah so like Lins stun apparently

[hoary ridge]

like, it'll cancel whatever attack the target's doing and that's it

for reliable stunning with low-star units, I'd suggest May.

[steel prairie]

yeah but like Lins stun is very short (still gets killed in the process) and Chen can only stun 1 when 2 walks to you

hmm

sure I can try that

[hoary ridge]

she does damage slowly enough that the healing altars on the field can outpace the elemental buildup

so even if she fails to stun, it's not that bad

[steel prairie]

ic

who is the best "anti camper" Op ??? (like those flowers that spawn right at the start)

[hoary ridge]

any FRD. projekt red is of note for these guys in particular.

[steel prairie]

dont they have low dmg output tho ???

[cedar needle]

Those flowers bleed out, so long root is pretty good

[narrow pendant]

But dont go building red

[hoary ridge]

red is a fast-redeploy with a stun and kinda-sorta true damage

if you have a 6-star FRD, she's not worth building, but if ye don't, she is

[dapper hedge]

Even gravel works

[hoary ridge]

they have low damage, but they do their job at getting idle enemies to walk towards your heavy hitters(or hold them up a bit if you want them away)

[steel prairie]

how did your Ops at the side manage to keep the eggs at bay tho ???

or you just deploy them ???

[hoary ridge]

Do you have beagle or spot raised? they can stall the eggs without hurting them much.

[cedar needle]

Melantha slowly dps egg, spot keeps melantha alive and keep the car on the tile to activate altar which heals elemental dmg

[steel prairie]

ik Spot is a tank but even my tank units cant stand the blast/stun

[vital arrow]

Just dont attack the eggs

[steel prairie]

I have spot raised yes

[hoary ridge]

the key is spacing out the blasts as much as possible

so that you can recover in between

[cedar needle]

As everyone told you earlier, kill them slowly and you have all the time in the world to heal back any dmg eggs do

[full terrace]

@pure orchid that clean?

[narrow pendant]

Should try not to make everything into a huge problem

[steel prairie]

hmmm ic... when I first met them my first thought was to "kill them instantly before they can do anything"

[cedar needle]

The eggs don't have any attack by themselves, the only way they do any dmg to you is through the aoe blast at certain hp% losses

So your dmg taken is directly dependent on how fast you dps them

[steel prairie]

I do try to space out... its just that map in particular was kinda of cramped (and the flowers force you to do it)

but yeah I hate cramp maps

its examples like those

for me its either
A: cramped map with campers
or
B: maps with tiles you cant place that forces you to group up

[cedar needle]

And I mean, if my hibiscus could stay alive in that stage, I don't see why a higher rarity healer can't, it's all about positioning

[hoary ridge]

imma film a clear of it with low-star units to help out
what stage was it again

[cedar needle]

SV-EX-4

[steel prairie]

yeah that was also odd... I did place my Mulberry/Silence there but still get caught in the AOE blast

I try place them as far as I can... still get caught tho

[elder flume]

2.5 radius

[steel prairie]

yeah thats within range

thats just 2 tiles

[cedar needle]

Yes she did get hit, but since I didn't unga bunga the egg, and aoe dmg she took she just healed right back before the next blast

I coulda placed melantha 1 tile back and hibiscus woulda been safe I think

[hoary ridge]

quick question.
do you have an elemental medic?

[steel prairie]

yeah I think that was my mistake... I try to instant kill them with Chen... only for both of my medics too instantly die lmao

[steel prairie]

I do... but because I was first thinking of instant killing them first it ended up killing my squad as well (my chen "failed" to instant kill them... so in return it killed my whole ops)

but "slowly" killing them do give me anxiety lol (hopefully they do die on time)

but thx tho

big help

[cedar needle]

Don't worry about stalling certain enemies in this game tbh, sometimes that's exactly what you have to do if your roster can't bruteforce

[rapid junco]

Me when quilon demand stalling

[narrow pendant]

I skillfully just gaurdvg and aspd qquibai

[rapid junco]

That called stalling mf

[narrow pendant]

Shut up IA
Go sniff feet :realmad:

[rapid junco]

Don't need to remember me that

[hoary ridge]

the attempt i recorded was a bit scuffed due to me not being used to using mouse n' keyboard for AK, but this should give you a general idea if you're still struggling?

[narrow pendant]

He said he cleared it already

He just kinda

Uh..yaps

[hoary ridge]

well shit

i just wasted an hour

that's a clear with only 3-stars and 4-stars

and the elemental medic is e1-lvl1 sl1

well that was fun

certainly gained insight as to how much effort goes into making low-star clears

i now see why low-star players love contrail - great damage for their star count on top of immortality

[spark sinew]

skyrangers have some bs uptime honestly

and basically invulnerable

[hoary ridge]

Comparing Contrail to Luo Xiaohei, the DPS difference on-skill is absurd

and his skill takes over twice as long to charge up

[steel prairie]

well I am gonna run into those enemies again later on... also I hate cramp maps like those and was just finding ways to mitigate it

[steel prairie]

but I am surprised that the flower at 0:35 literally got stuck instead of running thro... a bug ???

[hoary ridge]

nah

they still follow their normal route, just way faster

[steel prairie]

that flower got stuck quite a while without striking your Gravel tbh

[hoary ridge]

that dude was gonna walk 5 seconds after i triggered it even if i didn't

so it waited 5 seconds

[steel prairie]

ah

[hoary ridge]

i just did it early so that gravel would be off-cooldown quicker

wanted to get his health draining sooner

[steel prairie]

ic

[vapid sluice]

Okay I might need help how to AFK on stage 8...

I did it once, but it leaks once in a while that I have to takeover everytime

[narrow pendant]

🥀

Find where it leaks and fix it sir

[vapid sluice]

I tried, but it still leaks anyway...

I take over, fix it, make it as the auto deploy and it leaks again...

[elder flume]

whats different

[somber falcon]

What're your ops

[full terrace]

Here #strategy message and here #strategy message and here #strategy message and here #strategy message and here #strategy message

Can use any of them as reference

[azure roost]

[elder flume]

each day the train grows

[vapid sluice]

Ooh... I'll check later, and I see some that I have all the chara

Wish I have Shu rn...

[full terrace]

And here #strategy message and here #strategy message

[vapid sluice]

Lemme see...

1. Don't have Ines
2. Have all, might try later
3. Don't have Ulpi
4. I don't think I have them high level...
5. I'll check for Click and Deepcolor if they're that high-level...
6. I can't see the whole squad so not sure...
7. Same with this one...

[somber falcon]

Oh you have stacked roster
P sure wis p1 and ntrk p2 is more than enough

[full terrace]

1. Ines is just there to reveal the invisible enemies for slightly faster clear. No Ines = you can substitute with a Defender and block the boss to prevent him from climbing up from the sand
2. Best of luck there
3. Can be Saria, but bring an extra Defender coz Ulpi can block twice. If you use Saria then you need 1 more body
4. They can be substituted with higher Star units within their archetype, for example: Exe alter/La Pluma instead of Humus
5. Click can be substituted with any Caster, her job is just to assassinate the Cannons, Deepcolor can be substituted with a couple of bodies/FRDs like Texas alter/Yato alter
6. It's Wisadel-Shu-Texas, the rest of them are trust units
7. It's Wisadel, Eyjaberry, Jessicat (her and her shield = 2 bodies), Ascalon (to assassinate the Cannons)

[vapid sluice]

Is it possible on 1 I could change with SA?

[vapid sluice]

What's P1 and P2 again?

[somber falcon]

Phase, in this context

[vapid sluice]

Oh...

[somber falcon]

For the mobs any laneholder will do

[full terrace]

No, Ines did 2 things on that clear: first is to leave her thingy on the ground for Surtr to kill the invisible bridge builders, second is to bind the boss (and slows him down) when he is in the sand to make sure he 100% wont make it safely to the other side. The first task can be substituted with any of your trust unit (block and reveal) for Surtr to kill. The second task can be substituted with any Defender with a bit of Defense, all the Defender needs to do is to survive a couple of spins/hits from the boss and he will sink.

[somber falcon]

Can bait booze with frd or just kal s3

[vapid sluice]

FRD?

[somber falcon]

Fast redeploy

[full terrace]

Fast Redeploy

[vapid sluice]

Oh...

I'll probably stream it later on VC

[somber falcon]

Also shu is a must if you want to sink the boss

So no auto for you with that strat

[scarlet fulcrum]

Abusing teleport also thing, but yea just use shu if u want less slots for salt sinking

[somber falcon]

Wdym abuse the teleport?

Like tile shift him then push with weedy?

[full terrace]

Weedy (Cannon, 4 Force) needs Ange (-1 Weight) coz the boss has 7 Weight. To shift you need to have at least 2 Shift/Weight difference

[somber falcon]

Ik how to shift arf
I'm just asking if anastasio's is what the teleport was referring to

[scarlet fulcrum]

He will dash on certain hp thresehold during phase2, tho i will say better push him on hole instead

Welp its dash not teleport

[full terrace]

Yah I'm not criticizing what you said, just adding that for Weedy technology, Ange is needed

[somber falcon]

[full terrace]

The explanation is for those who really are interested to use the technology 😂

[scarlet fulcrum]

But well yea, if u have weedy ange just hole him instead

[pure orchid]

Hmm... is there any way to speed this up? im not a fan of the last sequence with the bridge guys

[somber falcon]

Nah need my trust farm

[elder flume]

do you have Sora and Ines

or just Ines is enough tbh

since her S2 covers all 3

[pure orchid]

I have both yes

ines is also what i use on my auto

though unstable thanks to nymph zzz

[elder flume]

just use her to reveal bridgemaker on spawn no

[pure orchid]

Thats +1 slot tho right

or can i somehow replace gladiia here

[elder flume]

i cant play Arf vid but i assume this is spawncamping

if not then welp

[somber falcon]

Ling instead saria with that strat

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its just Standard block and dps

Boss stats kinda ass, so without dr there most dps will kill him yea

[pure orchid]

same thoughts

modx goes hard

oh ling

unironically might be good

[scarlet fulcrum]

Tho u probably just dump ur trust farming ops there, even lv1 will do, just make sure relay it correctly

[pure orchid]

my trust farming op are somehow all ranged

i had that idea too but i cant even do that

[scarlet fulcrum]

wao not even the 5* defender

[full terrace]

Bring Gravel and have her kill the bridge guy 😂

Few secs faster but..

[scarlet fulcrum]

Are u running 243 or smt

[full terrace]

-1 trust farm slot

[pure orchid]

true

wait ill try w ling

theres a lot of dp lying around here anyways

[scarlet fulcrum]

Philae still not max trust for most 252 ig

[pure orchid]

I havent bought filet yet

im poor pls understand

[scarlet fulcrum]

Fillet is jaye

[pure orchid]

nono

say Philae

[scarlet fulcrum]

🍿

[full terrace]

Oh if you use Ling there is no need for Saria+Gravel

Ling the boss, Ling the bridgemakers

Ling this and Ling that

[pure orchid]

yup

ling wis duo

[full terrace]

Possible yes

[pure orchid]

cant believe it all boiled down to this

[full terrace]

Wis-Ling duo almost all stages in the game

There are like, only a few they cant

[pure orchid]

first time ill actually use this extremely broken combo

lets see

[somber falcon]

There's only so many ways you can optimize a stage after all

[full terrace]

I mean, low ops records in arkrec have either Wis or Ling

You use them both, thats very broken alright

[pure orchid]

oh its kinda slow

[elder flume]

https://youtu.be/xjs4JEHMR-Y?si=YfHMRPd4DLgamHg8

this is bordering fastest

4 squad type

[pure orchid]

im following those and cant replicate

[elder flume]

sadge

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1t8izYpEQo/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

[pure orchid]

like im 3/4 on most squads

PEPE????

[elder flume]

thats ultimate spawncamp

since he doesnt get dr at spawn

[pure orchid]

oh holy shit this is loaded

so many op

[elder flume]

its to get fastest clear so

[pure orchid]

at what cost

[tiny vale]

[pure orchid]

wait

rain

isnt 25 niijuugo

[elder flume]

Japanese likes to shorten

[pure orchid]

i kinda get what youre going for tho

[full terrace]

Nah, it's ocincin daisuki

[pure orchid]

Nope its otoko ga suki for u

hmm

the last 10 or so enemies are killgated

i really have to kill this boss quickly

[full terrace]

Yes

[pure orchid]

i did it

[full terrace]

I achieved like 2 mins and 3 or 4 secs

[pure orchid]

wis ling texalt

[full terrace]

And I think thats already the fastest

[pure orchid]

i kill boss at left with ling actually

[full terrace]

Coz of spawn time

I eliminated all killgates

[pure orchid]

my problem with having boss walk into right is that its slow

a killgate stops the last 10 from coming in

if i kill boss while on the left, i dont reach that killgate

and then wis waits on the right with 2 ling dragons and 6 ammo

okay why is there a sliver of health here

ffs

[elder flume]

he keeps switching between buffing cannon and spinning in phase 1 for me

this is why you shouldnt make bosses have overlapping skills

[full terrace]

Wdym you dont reach that killgate

[pure orchid]

i kill boss p1 while theres still enemies flowing out of red boxes

[full terrace]

And thats fine, just kill them all

[vapid sluice]

Alright, which VC should I stream on to check?

[pure orchid]

i mightve killed too fast and now wis has no skill

uh erm

[full terrace]

Oh you meant Wis hasnt recharged her skill

That not killgate bruh

Thats your skillgate

[pure orchid]

not that

[full terrace]

This noob bozo

[pure orchid]

literal killgate

the one that spawn enemy

i know my terms pro bozo

[full terrace]

Ya you kill them all and no more killgate

This bozo

Just let them flow out and kill them all

[pure orchid]

kinda hentai baka of u

[full terrace]

😂

[vapid sluice]

Oh yeah, for the 4 OP, is Surtr on Mod 1 OK? Or is it Mod3?

[pure orchid]

I dont think mod matters

if it did, youd go for mod2

[full terrace]

Yeah no, Mod changes little to no things

[pure orchid]

perfect

i even retreat wis here just to get texas out faster

the big dragon on the left tanked and killed boss

also spawncamped bridges and last 3

[timid nacelle]

didn't ling duo this with rangers

[pure orchid]

maybe

but its slow

[timid nacelle]

or r u aimin for speed

[pure orchid]

im aiming for low op + speed

[timid nacelle]

this stage is so ass

[pure orchid]

this is the best i can do while being stable

[timid nacelle]

ye I feel u

well it looks good enough

[pearl breach]

hi gramps

[pure orchid]

Is this gramps with us in the room rn

[timid nacelle]

how many times do I have to say stop callin me that

[pure orchid]

boss p1 killed with healthy amount of hp, so no getting away with sliver of health

[timid nacelle]

and also hi

[pure orchid]

oh new gramps

[wicked minnow]

i think but the bilibili link didnt work last time i checked

[pure orchid]

only gramps i know is amigo

[pearl breach]

what did you used to clear wb ex 8 cm back on year 1, light?

[timid nacelle]

wb ?

[pure orchid]

walk in the bust

[haughty flower]

What bust

[timid nacelle]

almost felt like an old man

[wicked minnow]

[full terrace]

Nah for you, b is for bozo

[pearl breach]

sry wd not wb

[pure orchid]

oh wtf i lied

[timid nacelle]

uh I exud him obv

[pure orchid]

oh wait i didnt lie

i read yumes mind

yup

[timid nacelle]

emperor blade is a fraud

[wicked minnow]

emperor blade has been thoroughly beaten to a pulp by 4*s im sure anything works for that stage

[pearl breach]

defending the doggo is hard without frd

or ntrk

[pure orchid]

emperor blade was hard for its time

[timid nacelle]

what

no it wasn't

[pure orchid]

surtr abusing docs in shambles

if you think abt the avg player mindset to just use surtr, it was

[timid nacelle]

he just needed to be killed slowly instead of full ape shit

[wicked minnow]

crownslayer can dps down emeperor blade. im hoping people didnt struggle with it back then

[timid nacelle]

also surtr worked against him anyway

[somber falcon]

Eb p1 is surtr-able just fine

[timid nacelle]

he was supposed to be anti surtr

he failed obv

[full terrace]

Yume is struggling with Emperor Blade?

[pearl breach]

im thinking about the doggo not the eb itself lads

[full terrace]

Its 2025, Degen that thing

[pearl breach]

with year 1 ops obv

[pure orchid]

hes anti surtr if you use her like you normally do, which is to not use at a distance

[somber falcon]

What dog

[timid nacelle]

what r u doin some sort of challenge run

[pearl breach]

just for stuff

[timid nacelle]

u just put 1 defender and 1 sniper

dogs done

can't believe I am actually sayin this but siege also works

[pearl breach]

e1 siege could works?

[timid nacelle]

the old guard 3 op was SA surtr chen

ye she is tanky at e1 60

now pretty sure u duo with degen+1

[timid nacelle]

pls don't

it's just an example of how easy to deal with them

[vapid sluice]

Thanks for the 2nd strat. I did it.
With Exu put bottom right for the birds flying, and some others I did pretty good. Might need to modify it later on

[pearl breach]

hmm.. I'll try it then.

[scarlet mortar]

both phases are surtr-able, you just had to pick given her rdp time

[timid nacelle]

idk why do u want to do wd ex 8 now but sure

[scarlet mortar]

WD-8 and EX-8 both have areas where surtr's further away from EB than his max range

[full terrace]

You are welcome

And congrats

[pearl breach]

sa for the bomber right?

[timid nacelle]

the original 7 step had surtr deploy+ activate twice

[vapid sluice]

I might need help on EX stages if I'm smooth brain on EP-8

[timid nacelle]

I replaced with exu 2 deploys for 5 step

then swire alter happened

[full terrace]

Yeah sure, ping me anytime if you need help

[timid nacelle]

ye chen is reserved for eb

[pure orchid]

Its funny how u made 2 strats for me and i used neither 😭

[somber falcon]

The problem was the dmg window iirc
Might be misremembering tho

[timid nacelle]

there was hardly anythin dangerous

[pure orchid]

i did take a few inspirations though

[scarlet mortar]

i mean surtr doesn't have to solo

just throw a body to keep him busy

[vapid sluice]

I'll check the guides first, if the guides have the ones I don't have, I might ping you later 😅

[timid nacelle]

he has a long ass path to go through

[full terrace]

You cleared it, mission accomplished 😂

[timid nacelle]

u could surtr redeploy 4 times

[pure orchid]

yup

[full terrace]

No need to use this and use that if you cleared the stage

As long as you cleared it

[somber falcon]

Ya

[pure orchid]

I stole your wis placement

and then for saria/surtr, it was just ling dragons

[vapid sluice]

If it's smooth on AFK however, is the other story...

I was thinking about Ling Dragons, but the redeployment would take long, no?

[jovial nest]

I just only checked up on the new SSS.
So does this mean there's only 1 new SSS this time around and a revisit of the old Dossoles one?

[pure orchid]

nah its fine, just deploy them early

[full terrace]

Ermm depends on how you play but generally it's not

[somber falcon]

Yeah

[jovial nest]

tch, that means new SSS food medal gains are now cut in half

oh well

I guess I only replace shittier one these days

it's hilarious that the new boss though is a Gramophone mech

[pure orchid]

#strategy message for example, boss died on left but theres already 1 dragon on right waiting for him

now i can just place the 2nd dragon later

[jovial nest]

just wanted to make sure....yeah only 1 new SSS for me I guess

what are these from though?

Polyvision?

[tiny vale]

Probably that, yes, since there are new enemies there.

[jovial nest]

the new device allowing ASPD af global GG and Lapptop while giving a nice amount of ATK

yes pls

[vapid sluice]

I wonder if LappDec is good for the EX stages later on?

[sly drift]

She has global range so she is good pretty much everywhere

[jovial nest]

consistently giving me a NO in recruitment.

such optimization

the deck is thin

no fat

I love this

[vapid sluice]

Wait... Global range??? Like GG??

Well then, I guess I don't desperately need GG anymore

[full terrace]

You are so worried about EX stages, they are not even out yet lol

[elder flume]

https://youtu.be/CCtU0s8MoW8?si=tf9KBwlmNTrX6H9y

[full terrace]

Enjoy the game, dont stress it

[elder flume]

its a 1 in 14 chance to get the run recorded lol

[full terrace]

I refuse to check youtube or bili for EX stages videos, I dont wanna spoil myself

[vapid sluice]

I know... But I lack the mats from EP-8, the rest of them is 50+

[vapid sluice]

I don't think they gonna drop it until the actual EX stage drop in game

[full terrace]

You'll figure something out dw

[sly drift]

Just realize using thorns alter s3 might actually be counterintuitive on very end game where enemy have insane stats lol. You tend to use Ceobe S2 because enemy def based bonus damage but thorns somehow debuff both Res and Def for 50%.

[jovial nest]

there's a reason i stopped using Thorns a long time ago

oh you mean Thornstar

[sly drift]

My bad.. thorns alter

Yea

[jovial nest]

he's pretty decent for an all-purpose squad with mixed nuke damage

[sly drift]

Depends on the math

[jovial nest]

Ah, the new food medal is just perfect.
Steak.
Slowly, I'm kicking out the weaker SSS food medals.

[sly drift]

SSS food medal kinda cringe now because all SSS stages will rerun someday. Not truly limited just like cc medal

[jovial nest]

you think I use them cause of that limited-ness or flex?

i really couldn't care less.

I love it cause it's food-related.

and the design's really solid. they're all uniform to one another (Celebration Banquet), great golden border, and each even has the logo of the employer

[sly drift]

Good medal not gonna lie. But I hate HG for rerunning the old SSS.

Like....why

[jovial nest]

My dude,

SSS is just like anni

it's not endgame

it's a grind area for rewards

if annis can get their reruns

SSS should too

zero goddamn reason to gatekeep

now only if they improve or give options to the custom template's design....

[full terrace]

I'm actually more interested in exploring the possibility of using Physical Damage units using stacked Def reduction debuff. Something like Thorns+Shamare+Pramanix (0.5 x 0.5 x 0.6) for a 85% Def reduction. So say enemy has 25k Def, that much would lower it to like 3.7k Def, and since there are a lot of modern units with like 6k DPH, that might work with some Atk buffs

[jovial nest]

the thing about physical nuking is

you chose that option because the enemies aren't total stats bloat (absurd HP and DEF = you're better off doing arts)

and due to how DEF works

you're better off working with ATK buffers+ASPD+Fragile and not add too many DEF debuffers (Shamare at most if you want 1)

[full terrace]

Oh right @pure orchid did you raise a Tin Man of your own?

[pure orchid]

nope

[full terrace]

Ah this bozo

[pure orchid]

i just borrow

thats why im forced to do tinman start

rip f1 plans

[jovial nest]

you're not too forced to do tinman starts if you're doing Lamp runs and not Sprout runs

although he's a goddamn welfare. you should at least raise him to E2 if you're going to do some srs IS5 runs

[full terrace]

Is your EP-8 auto stable now? @pure orchid

Are you not making an auto for EP-7 as well

[pure orchid]

yup

nah im not doing ep7

im all in on the grind(stone)

[full terrace]

Same

[pure orchid]

aketon right

lemme check

[jovial nest]

oh the concrete emer condition is back

[full terrace]

I think there is an event with Grindstone in the near future

[pure orchid]

yeah i do NOT need ts 🥀

[full terrace]

Also I'm low on Sugar

[pure orchid]

wait wtf i should do ep7

[jovial nest]

Goddammit i need to bully the old Dossoles SSS map

[pure orchid]

theres a nearby grindstone event

[jovial nest]

since there's first clear modules

[pure orchid]

meanwhile aketon only returns on masses travels

thats so far

[full terrace]

Thats what I'm saying

[pure orchid]

good thing you told me

ill check if my ep7 is good tomorrow

if not ill just do smth abt it

should be much easier

oh this one is good

i couldnt wait for tomo and checked, its sa ela degen

[full terrace]

Or Asca

[pure orchid]

sounds slow

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just camp it, i remember dude asking ep7 here yesterday

[scarlet fulcrum]

Do u still need help with this roster?

[pure orchid]

yh i camped it

[sly drift]

Wrong. He is unusable

I'mma hang myself a bit

[scarlet fulcrum]

weird i cant upload vid, smh discord

[sly drift]

Probably just discord being so buggy

Try force close then open again

[scarlet fulcrum]

Compress done, click to eyja or any better ops replace those. Brainded af

Oh its showed very late af

🐌

[jovial nest]

same guy who told him he's not usable.....rolled for him anyways

and even commented that it's no biggie since it was just a single pull

[exotic sky]

Is it possible that some stages on 12-X are bugged ? If i understood correctly, the "spies" are blocked for a time they are scanned if friendly or foe, then transform or become friendly.
I dont know why, but sometimes, those spies just dont stop. Like right now, i've got one that just passed through Saria without being scanned, and she wasnt even blocking anyone. Some spies just dont care and run through my operators. Am i misunderstanding something ?

[haughty flower]

It's the agitators. These are special enemies that make civvies unblockable.

[exotic sky]

Like right now again, some dude just ran through Zuo Le and he wasnt even blocking anyone, making me fail the stage

Oh

[haughty flower]

Kill them fast or have a ranged op precheck the civvies ahead of time.

[low rover]

how do i destroy the cannons in the event?

[haughty flower]

Arts dps

[exotic sky]

What a nightmare of mechanics. I didnt like 10-X mechanics and now this one is up there

[haughty flower]

The cannons have high defense but no res.

[exotic sky]

thanks @haughty flower

[haughty flower]

Yeah, good luck. Oh, and if you dislike 12's mechanics skip the H stages.

You'll really dislike the mechanics afterwards.

[elder flume]

really

feels like 12 was peak annoyance

[pure orchid]

i hate blocking so 12 was nightmare

i had to bust out pioneers

[sly drift]

Ch12 is still the most overcomplicated mechanic so far

[civic bear]

yeah thats why its known to be best story mechanic 🥺

dp cap is good

[full terrace]

Chapter 12 is when you prefer Ling over Wisadel if you are newbie and rushing the stories

[glass monolith]

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..." ("I love when game enforces on me dumb DP restrictions outside self restricting myself in CC events")

[full terrace]

I dont like cc lol

[glass monolith]

I don't like CCb But anyways. Fuck chapter 12 in general

[full terrace]

I dont like that gamemode not because I dont like challenges or the limitations it put in place

But rather because the game is indirectly asking for specific ops, like Physical dps are mostly useless there

[civic bear]

i mean

99 cap is

a shit ton of dp

all it does is it lets people irresponsibly use em up without a care

barely anyone retreat their operators

dp cap sure is annoying but like its necessary so that you play the game as intended.