strategy

[pure orchid]

Yeah so um contrail

[narrow pendant]

🫵

[full terrace]

I'll watch

[south spindle]

okay streams up

@brisk surge

[pure orchid]

Wowa an IS stream

[south spindle]

sleeper D2 game play

i know alot of the stages now kind of

not how to do efficiently

[elder flume]

Contrail mentioned noway

Goated op

[pure orchid]

Yup

[frail remnant]

van anyone help me with stage 6-5 i hate the throwers there

[somber falcon]

who do you have?

[frail remnant]

i can show more operators if needed

[somber falcon]

i assume these are all the built ones yeah?

[smoky halo]

dalao

[vital arrow]

Why not borrow hoshi or penance

[south spindle]

know as in have encounted once

🥀

[smoky halo]

if u want an easy solution to the throwers just borrow lin

[vital arrow]

Oh yeh rat exists

[frail remnant]

yes and they are my main squad i also use perfurer before

[vital arrow]

Just borrow rat

[smoky halo]

no need to be humble dalao

[vital arrow]

Unless you wanna auto this stage for some reason

[frail remnant]

who is lin

[vital arrow]

Caster

Rat caster

[smoky halo]

a caster

[somber falcon]

rock stage

[full terrace]

Borrow a Ling and do this #strategy message

[vital arrow]

Idt they even need ling with that squad

They just need someone to tank the throwers

[frail remnant]

i dont have anyone to borrow her from

[vital arrow]

Kerf#0066

Wait is this ling or lin

[somber falcon]

oh mountain should be able to tank everything aside from the last enraged

[vital arrow]

Well depends on mastery no?

[full terrace]

Doesnt matter what they need or dont need, they came to this channel looking for help and help is what I offer. If it doesnt suit them, they are free to choose other strats offered by other players.

[somber falcon]

lemme see if i can find a random mountain

[vital arrow]

I'm just offering my opinion, no need to take it personally

[frail remnant]

umm i really do need help because the throwers just kill everything including my casters healers and they can easily kill my melees

[vital arrow]

Just borrow ling or lin

Either works

Lin just tanks the throwers

Add my ID if you want either of them

[frail remnant]

i added earlier

[vital arrow]

Theyre both up

If you wanna use lin, just put her in the top ranged tile, right below the blue box

She'll tank the throwers

If you wanna put a blocker, put it on the tile right below her

[somber falcon]

that extra 2% regen is a lot more than it reads huh

[vital arrow]

Yeah I just assume anything that can solo something to be M3

[somber falcon]

well it still works with 2 medics
but yeh

lin more convenient

[smoky halo]

lin requires 0 setup :ya: how broken

[full terrace]

@pure orchid yo, you have a friend now, @south spindle is a Safety Inspection leaker

😏

[south spindle]

bro

🥀

[pure orchid]

@south spindle

Welcome to the club
-# (it sucks in here)

[south spindle]

what it can't be that bad you're here

[low rover]

Ngamakanui?

[vital arrow]

Ok the problem is you have too many ops facing up

And not enough of them facing left

[terse onyx]

Yeah

[vital arrow]

Ditch blacknight for kroos

The *3 kroos

[terse onyx]

But if i make them face left frostnova wouldn't be killed, right?

[vital arrow]

Ditch pepe for gravel or yato

And youre underleveled

[terse onyx]

Oka

[vital arrow]

Like amiya cant even guarantee her S2 when FN passes her range

[nocturne coral]

Amiyi facing left imo and with a defender, should be able to clear the mob. You would need physical dps for frostnova anyway

[vital arrow]

Get your squad to like

E1 30/40

At least the main dpses

[nocturne coral]

Krooster should be the main dps in this case ngl

[terse onyx]

Oops

[nocturne coral]

Also is that laptop s1? Don't use it

[terse onyx]

All the ops you guys mentioned are kinda more underleveled

[vital arrow]

Yeah, you should raise them

[terse onyx]

Yea its s1

[vital arrow]

Youre gonne need to sooner or later anyways

[terse onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/zero-lmd-arknights-arknights-meme-wallet-asian-guy-looking-at-wallet-gif-21963194

[vital arrow]

Star building your base

[nocturne coral]

There's a reason why you shouldn't e1 max too soon, while the rest of your squad is underleveled

[terse onyx]

Oka I guess I'll....

[nocturne coral]

Anyway, physical dps for frostnova and art dps for killing mobs. You could try amiya s2 for the boss as well, while laptop with her s2 holding the lane

Holding the lane with the traditional combo like defender + medic + caster should be fine for the mobs

[terse onyx]

Btw, maybe a bit unrelated dumb question
But how did you know frostnova is weak to physical?

Is it that Def lower than Res so shes weak to physical or something like that?

[vital arrow]

Yes

Enemy details

[terse onyx]

Thanks

[nocturne coral]

Notice how her def is C while her res is A? That's why physical will be better. Amiya s2 is true dmg tho

[terse onyx]

Yeah it was mentioned in a guide

[nocturne coral]

Also you can use drill plans to play stages without consuming sanity, for practice. Good luck

[remote perch]

Def correlates to Phy and Res to Arts
The higher your Def ( which what those Letter signifies ) is, the worse Phy will be and Vice Versa, the same with Arts to Res

it doesn't take alot of Critical Thinking to figure out what if the weakness of enemies knowing the Phy and Arts interaction

[nocturne coral]

Def also directly reduce your physical dmg (1000 dmg - 500 def = 500 dmg), while res is percentage reduction (10 res = 10% art dmg reduction)

[nocturne coral]

Don't bully newbies 😭💢

[terse onyx]

I see so high def and low res= bring arts dmg dealer
Low def high res= bring phys dps
I guess (?)

[nocturne coral]

Yep that the general idea

[crystal meteor]

What if theyre both S+😢

[terse onyx]

Idk

[nocturne coral]

Nymph + virt

[timid nacelle]

true damage

ele damage

debuffs

buffs

[keen gull]

Shamare

[timid nacelle]

or just use a broken unit that doesn't give a shit about how high enemy stats are

[nocturne coral]

I like how these swamp dwellers just popped out of nowhere, especially you bleck

[terse onyx]

For example in that stage, its the only dude whos really weak to arts damage?

[scarlet mortar]

yh it doesn't take critical thinking (it takes experience, newer players don't just figure out if their atk stats are sufficiently above def to deal more damage than pumping arts)

[nocturne coral]

Yes since his res is E

[timid nacelle]

4 of these r weak to arts

[keen gull]

Just phy abuse

[nocturne coral]

Shut up wis abuser 🚬

[keen gull]

[nocturne coral]

Keep talking and you might become my dinner instead 🚬

[keen gull]

Wtf

[scarlet mortar]

you can do trial and error to check if enemies are better dealt with by phys or arts, but the proper routine is actually looking at your ops first

[keen gull]

U draft wis too😡

[nocturne coral]

I'm a newbie ao I don't have wis

[keen gull]

U bought account🥱

Very unorthodox smh

[nocturne coral]

Whoa false accusation

[keen gull]

Nop i saw ur krooster

[terse onyx]

Thanks for the help everyone ~~time to suffer ~~

[nocturne coral]

I borrowed the link from a very handsome person

[scarlet mortar]

if your roster's best phys dps is 5x better than your arts dps, it might still be worth to plow through with phys

kinda thing

[keen gull]

Ah yes unraised mlynar

[scarlet mortar]

(cough wisadel)

[vital arrow]

Does anyone have the stat range for the ingame rating

[nocturne coral]

Smh bleck show up and scare the newbie away 🚬

[keen gull]

[remote perch]

Theres a difference between knowing when to use Arts/Phy due to your ops vs knowing what type of Attack enemy is more susceptible at

Knowing what type of Attack enemy is weaker at doesn't need alot of experience to know since its boil down to knowing how Def and Res works, since the Tutorial already explained that Arts gets reduced by Res and Phy by Def
Its just critical thinking to realize that higher Def and lower Res means Enemy is more susceptible to Arts than it is to Phy
This is what my main argument is at, not whenever they know whenever which DPS to use over another

Is it that Def lower than Res so shes weak to physical or something like that?
this statement alone implies he doesn't know the basic Dmg interaction, since if you know how the Basic Interaction is, it will only take critical thinking to realize it

[scarlet mortar]

i mean sure, but the difference between phys/arts formulae means the player will have to do trial and error anw

[sly drift]

Weird request but does anyone have Minimalist S2M3? I want to know good/bad it is

[remote perch]

again, thats not the point

[scarlet mortar]

part of the reason i replied was bc you were acting like the damage diff is obvious when phys is much more sensitive to def than arts is to res

and thus a new player would have to get used to that discrepancy

[scarlet mortar]

it's ok

[sly drift]

I want to try

[scarlet mortar]

getting shit on by every 6* arts dps isn't anything new

unless you're rockrock ig

[brisk surge]

being mean yippie

[scarlet mortar]

its hitcount is kinda poger though

[sly drift]

Add me if you have it

[scarlet mortar]

can't really open my emu rn

[terse onyx]

I managed to do it yippieeeee

[south spindle]

@brisk surge @full terrace too tired gn

🥀

[brisk surge]

gn brah

[south spindle]

found out what 0 index does to a mf

[brisk surge]

bro cant see

[south spindle]

bleck

is playing IS

wtf

#1170517282301165648

Femn didn't wanna watch me, not good enough ig 🥀

[brisk surge]

ill get ragebaited if i watch

so i wont

[full terrace]

Rest well

[nocturne coral]

Congratulations

[full terrace]

@regal frost wherechu at, it's been awhile

[wicked minnow]

do you still need?

[sly drift]

Yea. Add me

Edenlein#3585

Or I can add you

[wicked minnow]

i sent a friend request. i put my minimalist up btw

[sly drift]

Bruh.. I think his S2 is good enough for me to build him

He build up the stacks quickly

[brisk surge]

dont tell rechord

[jovial nest]

ZT's minigame might be the least enjoyable one out of all the minigames I've played in events.

[smoky halo]

they need to make another balatro clone minigame

[jovial nest]

yeah no

Pepe's is enough

[smoky halo]

i found it fun

[wicked minnow]

they need to expand on it

[jovial nest]

there's an issue in expanding it anyways.

adding more shapes

and adding more combo trees

[smoky halo]

yep the people who dont read will complain that its too hard

🫡

[jovial nest]

would ultimately make it more rigid

[smoky halo]

you can just add jokers and a shop like balatro 🗣️

[jovial nest]

i never liked roguelites with rigid progression (preferred Balatro over StS, preferred Dead Cells over Hades)

if you really want them to expand on anything, I did like Ark No Nights

at least the potential of it

they finally can make you control characters that well

there's a lot of application they can do with that

[midnight veldt]

Any tips for the current anni?

Wanna finally get those last 50 cap

[glass monolith]

Uh.... Spawnkill hard

[dapper hedge]

current one is pretty piss easy that squad do just fine

Wouldn't use ceobe for content like anni though

[glass monolith]

Well Ceobe is useable just current anni not heavy on DEF if you kill enemies before they build up energy

[midnight veldt]

That's just an example squad, should I put in mlynar instead?

[dapper hedge]

Sure he should work better

[glass monolith]

Depends on how muchj you want to manual

[midnight veldt]

Well if it's easy then should be clearable, I'm not that braindead, I think
Just gotta wait for sanity

Will the boss from Jessicalter event be there?

[dapper hedge]

No

[glass monolith]

Nope just mobs

[midnight veldt]

Phew

[glass monolith]

Bootleg skullshatter, ghosts and give energy to nearby shit on left. Everything else on right

[dapper hedge]

Theres wraith going top left
Wis & thorns could handle middle

Ulpi/zhuole could handle the the stairs near middle

[midnight veldt]

What's the website for planning op positioning?

[dapper hedge]

https://map.ark-nights.com/areas

[smoky halo]

id bring any pusher to handle top lane

e1 pusher should be fine

[civic bear]

got thorns

current anni is jes event right

just thorn under of right blue box

facing down

dont have him block so need blocker under . ulpi or someshit

thorn kills all wraith

[neat mantle]

Doing break the ice rn and i fucking love Lappland silencing those exploding enemies lmao

Does Lappland silence degen skill that makes operators unable to attack?

[civic bear]

no

she immune

[smoky halo]

@willow sun hi pls calc lemuen s2 total dmg vs crown playwright

exu is on field

[willow sun]

is that is2?

im at work rn so ill do it later

[smoky halo]

yes

[willow sun]

pots?

[smoky halo]

sure

try pot1 too

🥹

[willow sun]

uhh sure

[smoky halo]

idk what my gacha luck is gonna be

🥹

[willow sun]

i’ll take a bit though i have some job stuff to do

[smoky halo]

it ok

lem not here in 5 months anyway

not much i can do

🗿

[willow sun]

you can calc it yourself

i already have lemon s2 + sexu calcs though so i’ll just chuck in the numbers

[smoky halo]

nop am lazy

[willow sun]

well i have work!! 💢

[smoky halo]

i think i can tie the record for playwright

with lateran only

maybe

idk im still thinking 🥹

[brisk surge]

fib

are you

gonna pull for yu

[smoky halo]

idk

🥹

[brisk surge]

i think i might drop quite a bit into it

[willow sun]

his ass is saving 800 pulls for sexu

or something idk

[brisk surge]

tell me if you want to use him

[willow sun]

oh yea

@smoky halo what cursed relic

[brisk surge]

i wanna play banana

but i might just skip atp

[willow sun]

you can drop less on yu

cause light and i are gonna spark

unless you’re sparking too

[brisk surge]

i need dusk

[willow sun]

then we might end up with 3 pot 6s

[willow sun]

go build tequila first you bum :realmad:

[brisk surge]

ehhhh

e2 voucher

[lofty stag]

Imagine not having dusk 🥱

[brisk surge]

imagine being french

🥱

[lofty stag]

Imagine needing dusk

🥱

[brisk surge]

imagine being french

🥱

[lofty stag]

Imagine needing dusk

🥱

[willow sun]

imagine no tin man masteries

[next wigeon]

Go get a room smh

[brisk surge]

imagine being french

🥱

[lofty stag]

Wait who has no tin man masteries

[next wigeon]

If wanna bicker like an old married couple maxx towards Rbp then do it in private

[brisk surge]

nope

[lofty stag]

Nope

[willow sun]

you :realmad:

[lofty stag]

This is fek I have masteries

[next wigeon]

See you 2 share the same braincell

[lofty stag]

Nop

[brisk surge]

nope im a mayu fan

piss off

[willow sun]

oh bruh you got masteries since i last checked

not level 80!!!

[lofty stag]

No need lvl 80

[smoky halo]

crown

calc s3 too 🥹

im watching the ange lem wis clear

and

lem s2 is so slow wtf

🥹

[brisk surge]

i mean atp does it even matter

i feel like we are just sparking all on the same banners

is there even a banner that yall arent gonna pull

[proud bluff]

[willow sun]

gasp

[willow sun]

thornstar, enchilada, el banana

[proud bluff]

I see how it is 😔

[willow sun]

i mean thats kinda all we're getting aside from yu and mon3tr until sexu/lemon

[brisk surge]

Okay so basically the same

[brisk surge]

Wtfart

[willow sun]

max you just dissed your date 💔

[brisk surge]

Man

Now I gotta say I'm a french lover

Am I cooked

[willow sun]

wow he's willing to do anything for you mayu

[brisk surge]

Of course

🥱

[proud bluff]

I can hide my frenchness for you

[brisk surge]

Don't even need to reconsider

[proud bluff]

No more baguettes

[brisk surge]

French food is pretty peak though

[maiden hound]

frog

[brisk surge]

I'm like a simp to western food because every day I get rice

So boring

[proud bluff]

I'm sure you have great food too

[brisk surge]

Idk is actual Chinese food even that popular

[proud bluff]

Idk but hot pot is peak, and szechuan pepper is goat

[brisk surge]

That is true

The redeeming feature of Chinese food is that most of them are spicy

And spicy food are great

[maiden hound]

yeah man i like chinese food too pours tabasco on tofu

[noble spire]

Can gummy skill 1 heal herself

[maiden hound]

yes

[noble spire]

Oh aight thanks

[brisk surge]

You might have to die

[dusky hawk]

I’ve never done this stage, what sould I do

[willow sun]

you explode

[vital arrow]

That looks like a dead stage

[willow sun]

only two dps and both hit a shit ton of times gg

[vital arrow]

Wisadel and spines is like 5 hits mininal

Lappalt is 3hits

[maiden hound]

scrapping by with e1 perfumer 💔

[willow sun]

also put silence on s2 wtfart

[vital arrow]

Unless they have cracked relic I dont see this winnable

[willow sun]

do you have anti-regen relic?

[analog mirage]

naran will dodge everything trust

[willow sun]

is this castle sightseeing, formal investigation, or calamity faceoff

[dusky hawk]

Yea the bear can’t heal cause I got a suicide note

[vital arrow]

Idt blank note would help either

[maiden hound]

not even e2

[vital arrow]

Like the bear goes boom and the rest of the party blows up

[analog mirage]

damn

[willow sun]

i mean maybe if you only use lapp + teq as dps and highroll + castle sightseeing idk

nvm its diamond

gg

[vital arrow]

And they have cursed diamond

Its dead

[analog mirage]

cooked

[dusky hawk]

Ima try..

[willow sun]

the relics are good you just didn't draft for bsl

only 2 e2 6* is cooked

[midnight veldt]

Would this work?

[willow sun]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ybr34fwm8x
@smoky halo

[willow sun]

idt ulpenis is killing the ghosts/wraiths before they just run past him

[dusky hawk]

Wait why can’t my wiz hit it

[willow sun]

also saria/thorns need to be 1 tile lower for horn's range, no?

[willow sun]

every 20 "hits" the boss deals global arts aoe

your healing wont be able to keep up

[midnight veldt]

Not horn, but yeah lower would be better

[willow sun]

wis and lappy suck for that boss fight cause wis herself deals 2 (3 with mod) hits per attack and her summons all do hits as well

lappy deals 3 hits off-skill and on-skill she has shitty dot that will just let boss farm hit stacks

[willow sun]

oh wut who is that then

[midnight veldt]

Firewhistle

[dusky hawk]

It’s not taking dmg..

[dusky hawk]

Oh..

[willow sun]

well aren't both horn and firewhistle fortress defenders

their range is the same

[brisk surge]

Yes

[midnight veldt]

They are, I guess you just meant horn as in Fortress defender, not horn specifically

[willow sun]

the boss also gives itself a shield every once in a while

thats why the anti-regen relic is so important

but the boss can still deal aoe arts while its shield is up

so youre probably still dead

[analog mirage]

it prolly went in shield mode

[dusky hawk]

I’m most certainly dead

[scarlet mortar]

boss is a dph check

[midnight veldt]

Fixed

[scarlet mortar]

ggs

[dusky hawk]

I died

[analog mirage]

u could just leak the boss if u cant hit the stat check

oh nvm

[scarlet mortar]

nah that's also fucked

the boss gives everything fuckton mspd lmao

[lofty stag]

Bsl is not as hard as quilon

[willow sun]

looks like your account is stacked, the anni isn't too hard you can probably just bs it

[midnight veldt]

I see

[scarlet mortar]

you need to spec specifically towards waveclearing if you know you can't deal with the boss

[willow sun]

my winrate on quilon is higher than bsl

[scarlet mortar]

they didn't

[brisk surge]

What does bro mean by bs

[analog mirage]

wis is wasting all her ammo on the lazer

[brisk surge]

It's not like that anni has any mechanics

[midnight veldt]

What's a good place for her, I just wanted to ask

for Wiz I mean

[brisk surge]

Other than don't let enemies sit in laser

[lofty stag]

What annihilation is this

Ain’t no way

[willow sun]

id put her to the right of thorns facing down

[midnight veldt]

Current

[lofty stag]

Damn

Is this anni acc hard?

[willow sun]

nah

[analog mirage]

nope

[willow sun]

theres a clear thats like

[lofty stag]

That’s what I’m saying

[willow sun]

gladiia + asca

and uh

i forgot the third op

[analog mirage]

id say the last one was harder than this one

[willow sun]

ice one was annoying

[brisk surge]

Hell no

[proud bluff]

You don't have to handle the ulpi lane if you kill them at the box bottom left
Which is really easy to do

[midnight veldt]

Anything I should be wary off, before I try?
Or I guess everyone says it's easy so I'll manage

[vital arrow]

Left side runners

[midnight veldt]

That's it?

[vital arrow]

Yeah

[midnight veldt]

No more sudden spooks

[vital arrow]

If you have ascalon she handles the whole midlane

[analog mirage]

wouldve been really funny if clip showed up but no

[midnight veldt]

so do I really need left side, if mb wiz can kill them before they run away?

[proud bluff]

He knew he'd end up in the hole

[brisk surge]

That is not the play

A single pusher can hold that lane

[vital arrow]

Left side is gonna leak

[proud bluff]

Just spawn kill both red box bottom left

[willow sun]

will it really?

[brisk surge]

Just let ulpenits tank bottom left

[vital arrow]

Also no medics

[willow sun]

if a single pusher can hold left then ulpenis + ines can

[vital arrow]

Left side is like

[willow sun]

saria s2 medic trust

[vital arrow]

Ergates no?

[midnight veldt]

Perfumer and silence/warf

[brisk surge]

Or ulpenits can spawn kill gl dudes which is better

[willow sun]

when i did my run i soloed left with ulpenis s2

[vital arrow]

Oh then thats fine ig

[midnight veldt]

That's not the all ops I'll use

[lofty stag]

I don’t even remember what I used to clear this

[willow sun]

and i just kept beaming him with the laser to heal him

[vital arrow]

Theyee unblocable and ulpi hits once every 3 business days

[willow sun]

thats what ines is for i assume

and my ulp 1 shot i think

i could be misremembering though

[brisk surge]

Literally doesn't matter it's suboptimal to put ulpenits there

[vital arrow]

If they leak just reset anyways

[smoky halo]

wtf why chart

just tell me total dmg 🗣️

its cos playwright gains def after losing 50% hp

so chart doesnt work

[lofty stag]

Dam fib needs spoon feeding 🥹

[smoky halo]

im lazy

i think i can see the vision

[brisk surge]

Me when I'm flaming theacc while deep frying wontons

[smoky halo]

lemuen exu blender playwright 🥹

i wonder if its possible

[lofty stag]

Why are you deep frying that’s not healthy

[brisk surge]

Good tasting food > healthy

[somber shuttle]

✅

[smoky halo]

IS5 so slop that im thinking of niche relicless runs for old IS 🥹

[lofty stag]

Damn thas a good argument

[midnight veldt]

Zuo Le instead of ulpi better in that spot?

[willow sun]

ah right

[midnight veldt]

S2M3

[willow sun]

no one cycling then

[somber shuttle]

zuo le bottom left, thats a pretty bad spot to camp

s2m3

[willow sun]

if i had to guess s2 total damage would be roughly 125-130k (out of 135k hp) and s3 damage would be like 60k

lemon alone

[midnight veldt]

?

[willow sun]

both e2 90 p5+ mod3, sexu on-skill, enemy marked as wanted

[smoky halo]

noway its that low

[somber shuttle]

that facing up or B3

[smoky halo]

10% env buff

cos is2 sucks

[willow sun]

lemon raw dph is like

[smoky halo]

high

[willow sun]

13k

p1 e2 90

13.8k p5 e2 90

boss has 1.5k def w/ crown

[somber shuttle]

for the unblockable dudes i think s1 ines can deal w it

[willow sun]

so 12k dph * 9 ammo for 108k

then sexu adds like 5k dmg by existing

[somber shuttle]

so just leave her right next to the blue box

[willow sun]

and then theres the atk buff from sexu so 12k dph more like.... ehhh 12.5k dph

so total roughly 120k

s3 is just worse for boss killing

[smoky halo]

can s3 2 cycle

[willow sun]

its less dph and fewer ammo

uhhh

[smoky halo]

with blender +4 ammo

[willow sun]

probably not

[smoky halo]

hm

[willow sun]

oh with miksa?

[smoky halo]

yes

[willow sun]

for sure

[smoky halo]

its bing chilling then as long as i dont have survival issue

[somber shuttle]

you could also use S3 zuo here at the same spot facing up

[smoky halo]

and the cycle is aight

[willow sun]

she does like 65k >50% hp, roughly 58k <50% hp

[smoky halo]

it will be so peak

if i get this 3 op clear

[willow sun]

roughlyyy uhh 125k total for 2 skill uses

[smoky halo]

cos the record is also 3 op

so im tied for record 🥹

[willow sun]

boss has 135k hp

[smoky halo]

if its real

[willow sun]

i mean

s2 with miksa also one cycles

it just takes a while

cause she shoots kinda slow

[smoky halo]

ok but s2 cycle with 13 ammo is like 2x s3 cycles

and s3 is better for the rest of the stage

🥹

[willow sun]

lemme just see how long the cycles are

[smoky halo]

5s each ammo

65s

[willow sun]

what

[smoky halo]

lemon s2 is 5s

interval

[willow sun]

3.5s no?

[smoky halo]

yes but thats just lockon

theres also her raw atk interval

the 3.5s is additional to that

[willow sun]

cock skill

[smoky halo]

with the aspd buff from s2 her atk interval is 1.5s

[willow sun]

whatever with miksa it only takes 10 hits to kill

she has 9 ammo

so 50s

[smoky halo]

50s

hm

she needs to not get distracted too

[willow sun]

assuming constant enem y

28s for s3 charge

then 11 ammo so 5.5s to shoot all of it

[smoky halo]

there is constant enemy bro

she marks the boss

and has global range

🫡

[willow sun]

well then how would she get distracted on s2

[smoky halo]

the mobs go into exu/blender range

and marks them

[willow sun]

are there elites that early on?

surely exu can just kill them right

[smoky halo]

yes

she 2 taps the elites on skill

2025 operator

[willow sun]

its 8s mark

[smoky halo]

6s

pot

[willow sun]

if you pot5 sure

[smoky halo]

she needs pot5

[willow sun]

but still exu is deleting the enemies before they get marked

miksa is a different problem

[smoky halo]

bro the issue is when exu is on downtime

[timid nacelle]

relicless laterano 3 op ?

[willow sun]

ye

[timid nacelle]

[willow sun]

regardless

lemon has what

[smoky halo]

i am theorycrafting playwright lateran relicless

🥹

[willow sun]

3 ammo to spare?

[smoky halo]

surely

[willow sun]

and in those 65 seconds she's firing

[timid nacelle]

on crown?

[willow sun]

you can just sexu s3 miksa

[smoky halo]

yes

[willow sun]

and refill more ammo

thoughts?

[smoky halo]

the record is like wis ange monster or ange lemon phantom

so it will be so peak if i can tie record while playing niche 🤫

[willow sun]

i'll get co-author right? surely

[timid nacelle]

just do wis lemon 2 op instead

[smoky halo]

i am s3'ing cos i need to survive the shots

[timid nacelle]

[smoky halo]

bro still has global range

[willow sun]

idt wis lemon can duo

[smoky halo]

wis lemon cant solo

[willow sun]

youd have to fuck up your wis placement

and then she can't lanehold

[smoky halo]

with snowsant crane maybe

they can

[willow sun]

even with proper placement i dont think she can lanehold

[smoky halo]

wis kills everything

[willow sun]

but maybe i'm wrong

[smoky halo]

until she runs out of ammo

👍

[willow sun]

surely

[smoky halo]

then lemon takes 30s+ to kill boss

[timid nacelle]

hmm

wait

[smoky halo]

u need to figure out how to survive boss for 30+s

[civic bear]

literally this enough

[timid nacelle]

didn't a new op have buff for ammo increase

[smoky halo]

yes

the welfare

[civic bear]

zl can be either in zl place or in hellagur place

[smoky halo]

but only for laterano

[willow sun]

miksa

yea

[civic bear]

doesnt matter

[timid nacelle]

hmmm

I would cope chalter wis duo if I was dumb enough

[smoky halo]

i was thinking of lem s3 2 cycle

[timid nacelle]

but doubt anyone has the patience for rng

[smoky halo]

does chalter kill fast enough?

[timid nacelle]

not do I see a way chalter kills boss fast enough

[smoky halo]

even if u roll perfect rng boss has an atk that dmgs all units on field

[timid nacelle]

if at all

[smoky halo]

so ur on a timer without medic

[timid nacelle]

uh wait

this might be dumb

kal wis ?

[smoky halo]

how do u kill boss 🥹

he isnt blockable

[timid nacelle]

ye but u can attack still

[smoky halo]

wis cant 1 cycle him

[timid nacelle]

he doesn't move fast

[willow sun]

shit op!!!

[timid nacelle]

deploy mon3tr a couple of times

[willow sun]

surely you have the time

to wait for 30s rdp time

and 15s sp cost

[smoky halo]

idt 2 op is possible

🥹

[willow sun]

watch

phantom alt

idfk his name i already forgot

[smoky halo]

wtf does phantom alt do

[timid nacelle]

tragoida

or something

[willow sun]

we dunno yet i think

[timid nacelle]

but yeah 3 op laterano sounds plausible

[willow sun]

im pretty sure its just straight up possible

[timid nacelle]

tho u gonna deactivate exu s2 a lot

to keep syncin with waves

also fuck crown

u gonna p6 both ?

[willow sun]

@smoky halo

thoughts on lemuen s3 one cycle

just lemon s3 > miksa s3 > sexu s3 > miksa s3

how broken is 15 ammo

wait nvm 7 cap not 9 cap im thinking of s2

idk maybe the timing allows for it

[timid nacelle]

hmmm

[willow sun]

maybe if you uh

waht is it

[timid nacelle]

ik this isn't relevant

[smoky halo]

erm

[willow sun]

activate skill while boss is entering the stairs

[timid nacelle]

but wis warf duo

[smoky halo]

mikasa is 10sp rampup

[willow sun]

so she stops adding chargets for a bit

[willow sun]

sexu is +6 sp remember

only 4s

[smoky halo]

yes

but

[willow sun]

so 8 ammo worth of waiting

but she has 7

[smoky halo]

do u even have enough time

[willow sun]

so im thinking what if you time it so that she starts shooting at boss

then he enters stairs

so she pauses

and that buys more time for miksa

[smoky halo]

wtf...

krazy tech

surel

surely

[willow sun]

how schizo

if that works it might actually be my magnum opus

[timid nacelle]

wait

[smoky halo]

lmao does it actually 1 cycle?

[willow sun]

yea

[timid nacelle]

how much hp

[willow sun]

15 ammo should be able to

[smoky halo]

😭 if this is real

[willow sun]

135k

[smoky halo]

its krazy

[timid nacelle]

135k

one s3

lemon moment

with p6 it sounds plausible

does the extra ammo get removed if u stop exu skill or miksa skill

[willow sun]

im double checking right now

[midnight veldt]

Don't have Hellagur, la pluma e2 80 S1M3 good enough?

[willow sun]

so if the first 7 shots get average rng it will do 69k dmg and trigger hp gate

then the remaining 4 shots will deal 62k

for 131k total

if you let lemon hit a few shots off-skill while waiting for the boss to get marked yeah she’ll kill (i think)

[timid nacelle]

will she waste anything on the boss tho

mobs*

[willow sun]

wdym

probably not?

it’s like 15s for her to nuke the boss this way

and sexu can hold skill for 15s

[timid nacelle]

tf is this schizo bs

if this works I am doin 300 on exu2

[civic bear]

read what i said. i didnt mean literally hellagur

it just placeholder cuz i cant place two zuoles

[midnight veldt]

Yeah, sorry, I didn't see the other msges at first

[civic bear]

zuole can be in any of those two

[willow sun]

erm thats awkward

4.3k dmg off killing

[civic bear]

in hellagur place firewhistle would help so that can be nice

in zl place you cna move firewhistle to the bottom facing left

same thing really

all ranged enemies comes from left side going around the u shape and then to the right. if you intercept them on the left theyre basicly all contained on that side. right side is just bunch of spiders/defenders

[midnight veldt]

I see

will try your strat rn

[civic bear]

should be more or less afk right side. just charge thorn skill and ur done. wisadel can be moved anywhere you want

[smoky halo]

@willow sun it wont work

[civic bear]

technically you can place wisadel top left of ulpi. facing down. so it can hit both middle lane and left lane

[smoky halo]

playwright hovers around the top side for 40s

🚬

actual goober boss

[midnight veldt]

Yeah, thanks

[willow sun]

why not?

i just did the maths

\operatorname{floor}\left(\frac{8-\left{p_{1}\ge5:2,0\right}}{2.7}\right)

wrong copy paste

135.1k

average rng though

cause of sexu's talent

boss may or may not die

[smoky halo]

cant survive

not for 40s

[willow sun]

boss enters stairs after like 15s according to tomimi

then leaves stairs for another 3s and gets nuked

[smoky halo]

thats if hes not attacking anything

[willow sun]

hm

idt he attacks that fast though?

isn't it only like 25s then? instead of 18s

[smoky halo]

the atk animation is slow

[willow sun]

lemme watch a video

[smoky halo]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1eWVXz9EqH?buvid=XU39A2A3BE20551E6901805AA39AA58D5C3D2&is_story_h5=false&mid=9BAa3fv1TSb4NdFcdVftAw%3D%3D&plat_id=106&share_from=ugc&share_medium=android&share_plat=android&share_session_id=bf396207-350f-4740-8b26-163bf4333259&share_source=COPY&share_tag=s_i&spmid=main.space-contribution.0.0&timestamp=1748693944&unique_k=Xp5zVhE&up_id=404224360

here

[willow sun]

miksa can also bait the initial debuff right

and then you just rdp with sexu s3

[smoky halo]

no 💀

[willow sun]

does it affect 2?

[smoky halo]

no

but hes on a timer

[willow sun]

im washed on playwright

oh so he just uses it twice?

[smoky halo]

bro the boss still hits for 1.2k

arts

[willow sun]

ermm

yeesh yeah

36s from spawn to entering stairs

actually slug paced boss

only thing i can think of is have sexu tank until he uses his debuff

[smoky halo]

hm

[willow sun]

then place miksa for the last 14-16s

maybe he can survive

[smoky halo]

6 ammo is 4.8s

maybe i dont need stair

🤔

[willow sun]

is it?

i thought it was 0.5s per ammo

or is that misleading

[smoky halo]

i thought its 0.8

oh wait 0.3 is the atk

grr

[willow sun]

buh

two cycle will just get your ops killed faster i think

so he does

4x basic attack

1x global aoe

1x debuff

3x basic attack

then enters stairs

sexu can tank the 4x basic attack

lemon can tank 1x global aoe

then debuff on miksa + 3 basic attacks

question is if he survives

he can die a bit early as long as its after lemon spends 4/7 ammo

so maybe if he can just survive debuff + 2 basic attacks, which is 2392 arts + ehhh 45-50% max hp drain?

[smoky halo]

hm

[willow sun]

yeah he live s

i just mathed, talent 2 gives him barrier so the max hp drain shouldn't scale

3957 hp, 594 barrier
drain 1979 hp (assuming 50% max hp drain), remaining hp + barrier is 2572.5, he has 0 res so he should live with 176.5 hp
even if he takes 1 extra second of hp drain he'd survive with 20 hp
can't get hit by anything else ofc nor can he attack to trigger talent

[smoky halo]

whats the deploy order then

lem -> exu?

then exu tank 3 hit

[willow sun]

somehow yea

[smoky halo]

then mikasa?

wtf

[willow sun]

if you can pull it off it'd work

math-wise

in practice maybe some dumb shit happens

lemme see if you can place lemon + sexu fast enough and still have sexu skill to lanehold

[smoky halo]

u can

u start with 20 dp

lemon is 20 dp

exu is 11

[willow sun]

yea it should be easy with p6

p2+ doable too

well we just gotta see how it does in practice then

anyways i get back to work

hope this pays off for not helping you with vector breakthrough

[smoky halo]

only if i get the clear

‼️

ok ya i think i try 2 cycle

the 1 cycle dream is kinda ass

[willow sun]

uhh

but

2 cycle takes the same amount of time

actually i guess you can use miksa

uhmmmmm

so 6s to mark, then 3.5s to fire all bullets, and roughly 27.5-28s to charge second skill

thats 37s at best (not to mention time it'll take to fire second salvo + miksa's ammo resupply)

he goes into stairs at 36s

either way youre killing him as he leaves the stairs

2 cycle probably easier(?) though since you can rdp miksa earlier and not squeeze him dry of his hp

[smoky halo]

i want the first skill to be 6 bullet only

bc

i dont want to trigger 50% hp

whats lemuen dps offskill

[willow sun]

like

pretty shit

boss has 1.5k def, she does like 1.8k dph

[smoky halo]

cos 6 bullet is 61k dmg

[willow sun]

thats only if marked though

if you skip marking its 50k

[smoky halo]

each exu talent rng proc

[smoky halo]

no

10% stat buff

from tech tree

zzzz

[willow sun]

oh

uh

i kinda forgot that

[smoky halo]

brah

[willow sun]

brah

[smoky halo]

ok so 65k hp is half

[willow sun]

is that mult or scale i forgo

[smoky halo]

mult

each exu missile is 2.1k dph

i think

or was it 2k

so like 600 dmg

should be fine then

i think

[willow sun]

ok then its 55k

un-marked

[smoky halo]

6 ammo is 55k?

thats kinda low

[willow sun]

ye

lemme double check

cause its unmarked

[smoky halo]

whats 7ammo

[willow sun]

marking is 1.18x dmg scale

pretty fat

[smoky halo]

yes ik

[willow sun]

64.1k

[smoky halo]

zzzzz 7ammo is too much dmg

[willow sun]

nahhh

its 67.6k to trigger hp gate

actually she fires some shots idk

[smoky halo]

hm

[willow sun]

maybe bad rng

with sexu talent

[smoky halo]

exu dph

check

ik its 2k ish

[willow sun]

yeah

p5 mod3 on-skill is 2.8k

[smoky halo]

wat

offskill?

[willow sun]

wait

yea offskill lemme double check

[smoky halo]

erm exu is offskill

when lem hit

[willow sun]

offskill is 2.37k

[smoky halo]

dat kinda high

[willow sun]

onskill is 2.90k

[smoky halo]

6 ammo

gaming ig

[willow sun]

yea

tbf

if i remembered to add the talent tree upgrades

her s2 can just easily one cycle

issue is rest of the stage, no?

[smoky halo]

no

50s is not good

10 ammo

[willow sun]

it'd be less

lemme double check

[smoky halo]

2x s3 takes less time

no i alr calced myself

u can doble check

5 ammo first half

5 ammo 2nd half

[willow sun]

i got 9 ammo

[smoky halo]

how

[willow sun]

9 ammo will do 144k

[smoky halo]

did u adjust def

for when he go below 50% hp

[willow sun]

ya

[smoky halo]

[willow sun]

oh wait no, but with def its still uh 138k

[smoky halo]

hm

[willow sun]

cause last 5 shots will have extra def, so -7.5k

did you include the damage she deals before marking?

its pretty significant

[smoky halo]

no

[willow sun]

still 51s though

so

s3 it is ig

[smoky halo]

9 ammo is 45s

thats more time than 2x s3

[willow sun]

ya +6s to mark

[smoky halo]

brah

fraudass skill

💔

[willow sun]

on s3 14 ammo should kill when considering tech tree

[smoky halo]

ya i got 14 too

but

he hovers around for 40s top

thats 2 cycle time

🥹

[willow sun]

while waiting to mark she'll do roughly 4k
first 6 shots will do 64.8k
last 8 shots will have to deal with increased def and will deal 68k
total 136.8k ish

[willow sun]

isn't it closer to 36s? thats what im worried about

[rich plover]

Need some placement help with this team in ZT S 5

[willow sun]

he might leave into stairs before second skill can fire

[smoky halo]

try 5+9

[willow sun]

which doesn't really matter ig

[smoky halo]

lem s3 is 28s

5+9 clears i think

[willow sun]

regardless its 14 ammo, 7s to fire, 6s to mark, 28s to charge skill, thats 41s total

[smoky halo]

wat

[willow sun]

looks like it should be plenty fine

[smoky halo]

the first skill can be activated asap

[willow sun]

skip marking? are you sure?

[smoky halo]

i mean 6+9

yes

[willow sun]

let me do 6 + 9 skip mark

[smoky halo]

6+9 no mark on 6

[rich plover]

Yea, I think the issue is timing the teleports

Although, does the Witch King teleport the same targets?

[smoky halo]

last 2 deployed are tp

so deploy gravel red to bait it out

[rich plover]

So the last 2 can still be teleported even after they have teleported?

[smoky halo]

yes

arent u using logos s1

[willow sun]

136293.662

[smoky halo]

to 1 tap the boss

[rich plover]

There's Phase 2

[willow sun]

i had a message typed out but i hit ctrl + r instead of ctrl + t on accident :icant:

[smoky halo]

u can 1 tap boss again

on phase2

retreat and redeploy the balll

[smoky halo]

0 exu missile?

[rich plover]

When do I activate the tuning node

[smoky halo]

when it can hit the boss asap

only the first atk to the ball deals big dmg

[willow sun]

6 no mark deals 54974.916
2 mark deals 21623.46696
total 76598.383 so <50% hp (6 no mark + 1 mark deals 65786.6495 so sexu rng ig)
remaining 7 mark <50% hp deals 59695.278538

[willow sun]

average rng

lemme remove tbh

[limpid ore]

ZT S 5 CM should be easier since the witch king move around faster and get into aspect of annihilation range much earlier