strategy

[next wigeon]

Plus if your bind doesn't last that long its bad

[timid nacelle]

sg loves it cuz he does 4* only

[wicked minnow]

what low rarity users. that relic kinda ass for all rarities

[timid nacelle]

dk how 5* will like it

[pearl breach]

What about the scale up relics? Like every emer gives you xx% smth.
I feel like they are worthless for lamp runs... or is it?

[timid nacelle]

u won't get many emergencies in lamp run

at nax like 5-6

[pearl breach]

What about scale up relics in general then?

[timid nacelle]

+30% hp sounds good

[smoky halo]

they arent

[timid nacelle]

they r great

[smoky halo]

if u get them early

[timid nacelle]

as long they aren't roundstone

[wicked minnow]

roundstone is very despair

[timid nacelle]

the ones that scale up on thought count r interesting

[next wigeon]

I don't like Sui Wrath Relic

[pearl breach]

Sui wrath on is3 spike chest stage 🔥

[next wigeon]

Also

What's the point of that aspd relic that requires full hp

[timid nacelle]

in the next expansion

u get a relic

[next wigeon]

Doesn't IS5 runs want low hp

[timid nacelle]

that sets max life point to 1

[next wigeon]

Really??

[timid nacelle]

therefore u activate both effects

yeah

[next wigeon]

I'd like to get that

[timid nacelle]

wait another month

[next wigeon]

I kinda dislike the fact the level up can give 1 hp

[smoky halo]

maybe gvg will be easier

with sarkaz king relic

cos it gurantees max hp

but that means extra wish node

[next wigeon]

I have to constantly get fractured to get -1 hp

[smoky halo]

😔

[timid nacelle]

I mean it's fine

I barely leak when I am playin

unless I am goin for kaz falls f2

[wicked minnow]

@willow sun floor 3 bosky. it didnt kill them. idk under what other conditions it doesnt but im just aware that londinium cannon doesnt always kill them

[timid nacelle]

I always fuck up ray timing

[pearl breach]

I want to ask but first.. did you guys notice something odd?

[keen gull]

Just reroll kaz

[keen gull]

What odd

[timid nacelle]

I like to get all ems

he means havin both lamp and Talon

[keen gull]

If u risk losing then dont fight

[timid nacelle]

probably exchange at lost and found

[dark mantle]

yeah
bro took tree fruit

[pearl breach]

so that's possible huh?

[dark mantle]

exchanging lamp gives u the option to get talons or doodle

[timid nacelle]

funny enough Doodle gives talon
and talon gives u doodle
lamp can be exchanged to either but the reverse ain't true

[keen gull]

Change hands of rumble

[timid nacelle]

hand mix because I use gg lapp ros zuo lee every run

[keen gull]

Wtf...

How is bro sustaining allat useless nodes

[timid nacelle]

talon

[keen gull]

Nvm then🫡

[timid nacelle]

lamp is boring

[keen gull]

I dont wanna deal with elusive merc so🫡

[timid nacelle]

who said I deal with it on talon

[keen gull]

Lol

[timid nacelle]

I run from it like a plague

she already 1 shots everything

[keen gull]

Might as well take lamp

[timid nacelle]

nah I wanna play the game instead of rerollin every fight to wish

[keen gull]

U still do battle

[timid nacelle]

but I don't wanna play so hard I fight 2.5m hp

[dark mantle]

i mean

you reroll 2 nodes at the start

[keen gull]

Its more of u reroll evry encounter

[dark mantle]

them dont reroll till f4

u just reroll encounters

or fights u cant clear

[keen gull]

If u speedrun it would be funny tho

[timid nacelle]

arrive at ed1 with 4 ops still

[keen gull]

I did it 2 ops ines wisadel

[dark mantle]

ending 1 just needs 2 ops

1 if u have crane

[timid nacelle]

oh yeah doodle is deadge right

[smoky halo]

yes

[keen gull]

Imagine playing doodle

[timid nacelle]

I just don't see the use

[pearl breach]

A mere start for IS5 intro

[timid nacelle]

feels like worse lamp

[keen gull]

It is a worse lamp

My only clear🥀

Wtf why when i change channel insta mpreg

Euthy🥹 is there guide on ed2a?

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[wicked minnow]

just like watch 4* clears of it

[dark mantle]

the 4* turbo highroll clears

[wicked minnow]

and realize your runs are just shit because of you not playing the IS correctly

[dark mantle]

excellent

well

by law

you need shu

[keen gull]

Ok but that means highrolling🥀

[dark mantle]

and someone who can kill boats

[keen gull]

Gg no shu

[dark mantle]

(ray/krooster)

or feater

oh no shu

yeah ur fuked

straight up lol

[keen gull]

[wicked minnow]

are we assuming ed4 as well

[keen gull]

Yep

[wicked minnow]

oh you are cooked

[keen gull]

Is shu tp tech needed?

[wicked minnow]

you need something to bypass his DR

[keen gull]

What if hyperbuffed wisadel

[wicked minnow]

how much ehp was it

like 1.3m or smthn

[keen gull]

Ill just bind boss with ethan or sum

[dark mantle]

bro just

has 0 chance

[wicked minnow]

shu start trust

[keen gull]

😔

[dark mantle]

like shu is required

straight up

[wicked minnow]

also doesnt Kal work?

[keen gull]

Fine ill spark shu

[dark mantle]

kal when she gets 50000 laser hits

[keen gull]

One day🥹

[dark mantle]

and epzlodes

[keen gull]

What do i search in bilibili for ed2a

[wicked minnow]

just get a god run

[pearl breach]

isn't that we are supposed to have an IS seed ticket soon?

[wicked minnow]

[keen gull]

Cooked

-2plans

[wicked minnow]

well gg next run

oh that was floor 4

damn

fuck

ok still a chance

[willow sun]

ah well f3 bosky has f4 scaling iirc

bosky counts as a floor so the stages in it have 1 floor higher scaling

thats probably what you were experiencing

[smoky halo]

u lose

[smoky halo]

yes

[keen gull]

🥀

[smoky halo]

how u gonna deal wit the boats + laser enemies

unless wis does 13m dmg in under a minute

ur cooked

[keen gull]

Dang

I need tat much stuff😔

[smoky halo]

boat + laser enemies

[keen gull]

Ima spark shu then

[neat mantle]

Don't mind the operator list its just a kyo video.

Hypothetically speaking where would one put gladiia? And what skill. Im thinking bottom left but idk what's gonna come out of there

Bruh i just realized

I can watch the video to see whats coming out 💀💀

[vocal leaf]

why people pick thorns in is5?

[limpid ore]

because

[wicked minnow]

dw about it

[smoky halo]

hes popular among casuals

[limpid ore]

tbh it doesnt reflect the actual high diff clear player which is the minority of the run

[vocal leaf]

i was thinking for the dot against iw enemies

[next wigeon]

People use Thongs in IS5?

[next wigeon]

Ascalon or Ethan

[smoky halo]

most ppl dont even see the IW enemy stagrs

[next wigeon]

Or Flingers

[smoky halo]

check ed4 clear rate

[next wigeon]

Aspd goes brrrr

[next wigeon]

What you think of Ros Start

[uncut moat]

theres a way to check?

[limpid ore]

you do realize that majority of this are casual low diff

[smoky halo]

global stats is there

[uncut moat]

where

[smoky halo]

best e1 opener

thats not wis

[smoky halo]

in the home screen

top side

[next wigeon]

I know but didn't expect him to be that commonly used

[vocal leaf]

it’s so strange, also typhon over greyalt, i guess some of them get used to her from is4

[next wigeon]

Im just asking since I think I wanna borrow Ros

[smoky halo]

no ppl just like afk

typhon is so bad

grey is like better than half the 6 stars

🥹

[limpid ore]

also dont worry about IW enemies, they will be common sight in IS6

[smoky halo]

if they dont give aspd

it will be weedy mag every run

[vocal leaf]

grey is kinda afk, sometimes you don’t need to activate his skills

[smoky halo]

which is infinitely better than flinger slop

[wicked minnow]

bro the fuck is thorns gonna do in those stages bro they have like 60 hp each i entered one of those stages and got molested bro imma be real

my run was dead the moment i had 0 plans entering that bosky

[keen gull]

Thorns can lanehold d5 bro

[limpid ore]

then again... majority of those clear with thorn as pick are casual low diff

[vocal leaf]

i mean they prolly playing low dif, it doesn’t matter he should work

[limpid ore]

[keen gull]

I used to draft exalter till d10

[limpid ore]

there is no way high diff clear even reach 50% of global player

[wicked minnow]

hi chat any recommendations for a welfare only start assuming blueprint squad

[brisk surge]

i heard gladiia is broken 🤫

[wicked minnow]

what the fuck is support landmine doing there

who's using it

reveal yourself

[brisk surge]

me i used it for patriot in bosky

how else are you supposed to kill him

[wicked minnow]

bro is replaying chapter 7 patriot stage

[brisk surge]

ok shileds

thoughts on tachanka open

[wicked minnow]

doesnt kill spikes so 🥱

i need a 2 op 5* welfare team that can kill spikes and clear floor 1

i can take it from there

e1 as well

[limpid ore]

high diff player doesnt represent majority anyway

majority will always do bad shit move

[brisk surge]

if only amiya was welfare

free spike killer

[wicked minnow]

ong

[limpid ore]

amiya is welfare

story welfare

[wicked minnow]

healer ticket is so fucking ass outside ed5 purposes

[limpid ore]

[wicked minnow]

story isnt considered welfare

[brisk surge]

does valarqvin even kill spike

[limpid ore]

also you dont pick amiya medic using medic voucher anyway

[wicked minnow]

she does ye

12k elemental damage

she just has to make up the 5k rest with damage or just skill again

[brisk surge]

but then wtf do you even have

[limpid ore]

utage?

[brisk surge]

valar tequila

and

nothing

[wicked minnow]

to kill spikes?

[brisk surge]

to start

[wicked minnow]

oh uhhh

scene?

[brisk surge]

yeah but you want something else no

[wicked minnow]

also welfare only means no 4* as well

well

there's some

but i mean most good 4* anyway

scene e2 can kill spikes

imma try something acc and come back

[brisk surge]

scene tachanka start

😏

[limpid ore]

but yeah, amiya is technically welfare from main story

[wicked minnow]

i was thinking of fuze first

technically story isnt welfare because yes

[limpid ore]

what a double standard

[brisk surge]

like fuze s1?

[wicked minnow]

i never really liked amiya so im not gonna break the rules of the niche for her ykyk

ye fuze s1

[limpid ore]

morgan s2

[brisk surge]

45 sp cycle

tachanka is 25

you can test it out and see which is better

[wicked minnow]

cycle?

bro he has 100 ammo

[brisk surge]

not lore accurate.....

well tell me how it goes

im going to bed

🚬

[astral cosmos]

guys im losing my sanity on 5* modules they're all so ass

[brisk surge]

yippie

[limpid ore]

not lore accurate my ass
his 6P41 has 100 ammo in R6S

it's same gun

[brisk surge]

real players play fuze with shield

🥱

[limpid ore]

real player play fuze to indiscriminate kill

[brisk surge]

mayer mod 1 needed, 2 and 3 worthless -5 atksp

[astral cosmos]

thx

[brisk surge]

mayer so fun everyone should play

🚬

[astral cosmos]

my mayer is e2 20 sl7 modless
relic from the past when i suddenly decided i'd play summoner only 🥹
-# dropped the idea three weeks in

[limpid ore]

it's -30 aspd total

people will cope about it

[wicked minnow]

i just remembered highmore exists and she's kinda cooking

[brisk surge]

Insane work

[wicked minnow]

just beat bad neighbors emergency with e1 highmore and e1 valar

and got spike

[brisk surge]

Why are you playing BP anyways

[wicked minnow]

im trying out a talons run

[brisk surge]

Bro is trying to highroll

[wicked minnow]

if i get certain emergency stages i just perish tho

[brisk surge]

[limpid ore]

simulated skirmish or something

forgot what is it called

[brisk surge]

I cast elusive Merc

Explode

[wicked minnow]

simulated skirmish isnt that bad with full kings set. uhhh too bad tho that's not happening 🫡

[astral cosmos]

does highmore outheal elem injury from spine?

[wicked minnow]

elusive merc free loss

uhh no even with max mod

[brisk surge]

It's 1 am I gotta beddies gn chat

[wicked minnow]

oh gngn

👋

[astral cosmos]

omegalul
you had me interested all of a sudden but i'll draft pluma instead

[spring lily]

Gn girl

[lofty stag]

wtf max ur a ros simp now

[wicked minnow]

yeah la pluma is just better 😭

[brisk surge]

What simp was I supposed to be

[astral cosmos]

(im drafting wind chimes instead anyway)

and franka for spines

[limpid ore]

utage s2 from spines

or maybe even morgan s2

[astral cosmos]

nuh uh im drafting franka

[brisk surge]

Doesn't kill on high diff

Real mad

[limpid ore]

imagine they add Spine HP regen difficulty

[astral cosmos]

i do that too yah
ass rdp time though so she just kills spine and becomes a dead slot for the rest of the map unless it's a long one
mfw king of sarkaz so she just stays there waiting to explode:

[limpid ore]

man, i miss the day we have the 2 half coconut relic

[astral cosmos]

my main guard draft is wind chimes anyway

[limpid ore]

from IS1

[brisk surge]

Insane highroll

How broken is bison

I see solo clears on arkrec

[astral cosmos]

for me that'd be a downgrade

isn't it a downgrade for u as well

[wicked minnow]

blue print squad

im trying to play that

it's not working

i didnt think of what to do on floor 2 onwards

ok ill just run lamp maybe and see how it works

[astral cosmos]

im indecisive on reed (derogatory) mod3

it feels nice bc arts dmg is everywhere
but i didn't really see any relevance in it from the few times ive drafted her

[wicked minnow]

it seems soo useless

idk i dont see the usage for it personally

like the 1 melee enemy i can think of that deals arts damage would prolly kill her in a 1v1

maybe like helidrop on ranged arts?

no clue

[astral cosmos]

helidrop on 15s cd s2

🥹

[wicked minnow]

either blueprint squad is a fraud or wish lamp is a fraud because i am not getting any wish fullfilleds

[astral cosmos]

blueprint is a fraud

embrace first class

[timid nacelle]

skill issue

simply roll better nodes

[wicked minnow]

tried that and rerolled into chaos with no healers

[timid nacelle]

where's ur CE pick smh

[wicked minnow]

did they drop new patch notes where they added CE to welfares or smthn mhmmm

would like it if she was one tho 😭

[celest bluff]

Aren't she is welfare

Oh you mean in IS?

[timid nacelle]

I would just not follow those shitty rules smh

free op from story

not welfare

[timid nacelle]

cn don't consider story chapter ops as welfares outside of amiya

dumb ass creatures

[celest bluff]

Who? Them?

[timid nacelle]

?

[calm lily]

Do you guys not pick hatred when doing blueprint runs

Or am I the only outcast

[timid nacelle]

I do too

it's funnier

[calm lily]

Idk I heard lamp in this chat

I think I’ve used it once

And without plans it’s kind of mid

[timid nacelle]

lamp is the more consistent option

u can also exchange lamp to talon eventually

[calm lily]

ah

[timid nacelle]

but u don't pick it for 3 plan relic take

u pick it because it scans ur ops

[calm lily]

I noticed

[timid nacelle]

and gives u multiple relics u need

if u have 1 hp it also gives u king's relicss

if u have more than 80 coins u get coin operated toy

more than 150 u get chalice

[calm lily]

[timid nacelle]

u also get the hand items for specific units if u have them

[manic oasis]

Managed to get to ending 4 final stage those bulky floating cars are very annoying. Anything I should look out for?

[timid nacelle]

the boats r there to help

u need to send ur ops on them so they can be carried to p2 of the fight

what units do u have

watch silvergun's video on ed-4

[manic oasis]

Too late I lost

[timid nacelle]

could have been a bit patient

[manic oasis]

Sorry

Although I didn't see any boats

[timid nacelle]

U need healin in that stage

ur ops killed them

then

[manic oasis]

That run was really good too

[timid nacelle]

u need specific position for them to not die

[manic oasis]

So the boats in the earlier stage is what you mean right?

[timid nacelle]

no

this stage spawns 2 boats

[manic oasis]

I just didn't live long enough for them to spawn then

[timid nacelle]

u have to send units capable of burstin the boss on them

did u manage to hit the boss

[manic oasis]

I asked for help a ton before a little excessively so I thought I'd actually try it myself that's why I started the stage

[timid nacelle]

idk it's fine from my end

anyways boss spawns

things that need to be healed

otherwise they debuff ur highest attack op

[manic oasis]

Idk what those "things" are

[timid nacelle]

so silence is a god send there

[manic oasis]

It all happened pretty fast

[timid nacelle]

don't play on 2x in is

[manic oasis]

Oh I had promoted silence

[timid nacelle]

shit gets dicey pretty fast

[manic oasis]

Ok this is why I'm paranoid about asking questions cause there's always something

[timid nacelle]

ye it's ok u r here to figure out what to do about it

uh the boss has multiple shits goin on

to Sum it up

he has fat amount of hp

don't dare block him cuz he will kill whatever does

he also spawns things around the map

that u should heal

otherwise u get debuffed and he gets damage reduction

20% per thing on the field

that's why silence is great

can also use eyjabery if u have her

tho too much hope cost

[manic oasis]

I had both

[timid nacelle]

boss will summon infinite enemies as long as he lives

eyja berry s3 really good for the stage

only need 1 of them

[manic oasis]

Ok so the boats during the face off and the first boss battle do what exactly

[timid nacelle]

uhm he has resistance to stun

but not bind

so ops who bind (ethan qb indigo) r really good

every 25% hp lost he becomes invul and spawns a boat

the boat i boss stage can carry 3 ops

u must take a medic and 2 really dps for optimal usage

u do that by lettin the boats kill ur ops

(put them in the boat path)

once u killed the last hp of the boss

he nukes the maps and removes all ops

except the ones the boat takes

and transfer to new map

u kick his ass there or leak him

each one gives u different ending

[manic oasis]

Man I even had the retreat item which would have helped a ton

Is there a point to getting the endings btw

[timid nacelle]

the boats in the stages before ed4 take ue ops away untill map is done

in ed4 they help

uh not really it's just for the experience

higher score for farmin

tho just repeating ed1 might be faster

it's like scaling diff after diff 10

[manic oasis]

I usually read all RPGs and dialogue of games I play but for whatever reason Arknight is the exception. I don't really read any of the plot

[timid nacelle]

completely useless

it gets heavy way too quick

I stopped after c11

don't think I read 11 even

[manic oasis]

I don't even mind a lot of text I mean look at my pfp but for whatever reason I have a hard time with Arknights.

Guess I'm not the only one oop

[timid nacelle]

they have a lot of yap that seems to be advanced but it's just addin way too many pretentious words upon each other imo

the story also escalated way out of proportion I don't even want to know what they r goin to do about it lol

[south spindle]

@manic oasis See the red spawners?

A boat spawns when Quilon reaches 75/50/25% hp

3 boats total

[manic oasis]

I figured those were for boats but that's all I knew going into it

[south spindle]

First one bottom, 2nd top, 3rd bottom again

You need to load operators onto the boats for the 2nd phase else you literally won't have operators for phase 2

So you need to plan heavily for this fight

Need atleast 2 medics so that one can be loaded onto the boat, Eyjaberry/Silence/Purestream are ideal

[manic oasis]

I screwed up essentially

[south spindle]

You need to heal the lotuses that spawn

Or they will nuke your operators

And you need to load a medic for phase 2 because there are lotuses again

And also the lotuses give quilon damage reduction so thats annoying for phase 2

Phase 1 the DR is whatever because you just kind of take your time since you should have adequate stalling

Phase 2 you just want to gun him down he literally just walks into blue box

Well he literally walks straight into blue box both phases

Technically its 3 phases since the very first phase is him chilling at the top*

All the other endings (non-alter) are a joke compared to ED4

ED4 relic makes ED1/2 harder too if you haven't noticed

ED4 is not a cake walk even on low difficulty since Quilon still has like 800K HP at D6 lol

[full terrace]

Yah what light said more or less

There are 3 things that usually kill you in Quilon map

• First one is the lotus - it 1 shots most of the time
• Second one is Envy, it does heavy Arts damage and it comes in big numbers, if you are not careful you can get overwhelmed
• Third one is Smarty, if the Yin meets the Yang, it does heavy Arts explosion and they also come in big numbers

All 3 are Arts so if you bring Nightingale you are pretty safe

[manic oasis]

I haven't built my Nightingale yet I just got her from tags the other day but good to know

[clever hedge]

are there any other good lotus solutions besides silence/eyjalt if one lacks both

[full terrace]

Any Medics work but you need like 2 or 3 of them for consistency

Silence is actually not bad coz of her drone

[steel prairie]

wait there are enemy boats ingame ???

[glass monolith]

Drive-by

[still vessel]

drive by kidnapping

[south spindle]

And even then the lotus is the biggest one, the rest you should just kill from far using flingers / your medics should be able to heal
if your medics aren't strong enough to heal then chances are your units aren't strong enough to kill quilon lol

[south spindle]

kidnap your operators then imprison them for the battle if they make it back to blue box

IS5 things

[weary grotto]

How do i clear 14-18? I get to 3/4 but i cannot pass from there

[full terrace]

Plenty of healing and keep hitting the devices and constantly activating them to push your kamehameha

[steel prairie]

WTF ???

whats next... airplanes ???

[glass monolith]

Next main story chapter will be great example of "whats next"

[willow sun]

worth mentioning you can ignore some if they’re not a direct threat to your ops, though they will still give buddha DR and debuff your ops

also get pinged hahahaha

[steel prairie]

oh lord have mercy pls

[south spindle]

Don’t care lmao

Yeah the lotus that won’t hit you aren’t a problem

And usually by F6 you should have full kings so that damage reduction in P1-2 isn’t even your real problem since you should have a way to stall

[pure orchid]

Heres another then

[full terrace]

Lemme join the fun

@south spindle @south spindle @south spindle @south spindle

[south spindle]

[steel prairie]

how much rewards do you get in IS ??? is it worth the effort ?

[elder flume]

Above 1.2 mil lmd
Lots of books
Lots of mats

Depends on how much you like repetitive roguelike

I dont like IS4 but im doing it just for mats

[still vessel]

🥀

[willow sun]

@south spindle

i’m doing a is5 ed2a run @south spindle

@south spindle did you know @south spindle i did ascalon e1 start @south spindle

it fucking sucked @south spindle but i finally have a good run @south spindle i hope you know @south spindle

[south spindle]

(Lock your windows)

[brisk surge]

Light rate my profile

[full terrace]

HAHAHAHAHA

100/100 profile banner

Did you just go and make it to Fremont just to create that banner

[pure orchid]

HE DID IT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[still vessel]

how do you do epochal gaps on catastrophe epoch

d14

[full terrace]

Wis up there

Ros/Logos to the left of blue box

Facing left

[still vessel]

i dont have ros or logos

lapplad left of blue box?

[full terrace]

RIP just slowly throw Arts at those Spines

Catastrophe on Epochal Gaps is just an extra Spine on top right

The play is still the same

[still vessel]

ye but 200% max hp is fucked since it takes forever to get all the spines and most ops ignore the enemies

[full terrace]

That works yes

[full terrace]

If you are at Epochal Gaps, you are at least at F4. At that floor you usually already got Kings set and plenty of Relics

HP% should not be an issue

[still vessel]

possibility node floor 3 no kings relic yet

[full terrace]

Also if you got Demolition just use it

[still vessel]

next run then since i already lost

[full terrace]

Rest in pieces

[brisk surge]

Explode in pieces

[willow sun]

the day i learned that ros summon spawns before her

and the day i peaked as a rage baiter

[brisk surge]

It only works once though

Find new bait

[willow sun]

i wanna make a gif of fremont coffin chaining now

[brisk surge]

Do it

[willow sun]

unfortunately im doing an ed2 run right now

next run

[pure orchid]

What if you are on f3 bosky

[full terrace]

Then you should be fine coz you havent gotten F4 multiplier yet (assuming you got the relics)

[brisk surge]

Epochal shouldn't be an issue either way

[full terrace]

Bro lacks ops

I think

[still vessel]

unpromoted wis past f2 is torture

[smoky halo]

its defo an issue f3

bro has not played f3 epochal castastrophies with 1 e2

[south spindle]

i have a few slurs to say

that is NOT what happpened

[full terrace]

That is what happened, I was there

🤣🤣🤣

[south spindle]

whatever bro

[still vessel]

[south spindle]

🚬

time to retire

[rich plover]

Need help with ZT S-4

The Cellist is kinda blocking the tuner

[full terrace]

S-4 you basically switch all the purple songs to yellow

And then dps

The tricky part is to get both devices up

[rich plover]

Hmmm yea, I think a Medic should help

[full terrace]

Especially the left one coz it got tapped by that one enemy

[rich plover]

What about the right

[full terrace]

Right one just deploy some ranged unit and assign a Medic to him/her

I didnt bother to make a low-end clear for this, but it should look more or less like this #strategy message

Concept is just to switch songs to yellow everytime and dps

[elder flume]

Cellist wont activate until tuning is full sp

So just charge left last

Right side any multihit works

Gladiia mody S1M3 or S2M3 also works to cheese

Actually Weedy would be better than Gladiia there huh

[full terrace]

Bold of you to assume I havent. My total playtime on IS5 is probably more than yours.

You struggling ≠ others are struggling

I never took you for an elitist that loves looking down on others

[smoky halo]

so ur saying 1 e2 catastrophies f3 epochal is not an issur?

[full terrace]

Guess I was wrong

Time to block

[smoky halo]

🚬

damn das krazy

[rich plover]

There's only one right?

[full terrace]

1 E2 from your niche ass male only perspective is an issue alright. Normal people who started with Wis it's not a big issue, and clearly PayDay started with Wis, you butted in on a conversation and acted high and mighty assuming things left and right lol I have no time for this

[full terrace]

Uh.. there are a couple of them

You can urm

Pay attention to the SP bar

When it's about to fill

Slow down your frames

When it's available activate it right away

[pure orchid]

Can yall not fight i like u both 🥹

[full terrace]

To prevent the enemy from tapping it

[pure orchid]

Oh, a little too late i suppose 🥀

[rich plover]

It's ok, I just use Texas alt to get the left

[full terrace]

Needs to time her still, she is quite fragile and enemies coming from left side are a bit tough

[pure orchid]

Fwiw promoted ros is fine

I prefer her over promoted wis specifically for simulated skirmish

[brisk surge]

Actually insane take

[full terrace]

Actually Qyurii is right to an extent

[pure orchid]

Idk what to do with epochal gap if just ros tho

[full terrace]

I saw his stream and I was like

[pure orchid]

Maybe u cook with flinger and 1 king

[full terrace]

Hmm Ros is not bad for F1-F2

Definitely gonna struggle in Epochal with Ros only yeah

Wis is good for that stage coz her one shot can splash to like multiple Spines

[smoky halo]

wis s2 is enough to kill the spike and open?

cos last time i tried she didnt kill shit with only flinger hand

[modern plover]

But epoch gap is on f4
Surely you have something else besides ros by then

[still vessel]

f3 possibility node

[brisk surge]

Wis s2 is generally enough to kill

But you should be playing sniper med and be on s3

[full terrace]

Hmm? Enough to kill what?

[pure orchid]

Wis with flinger will cook

[brisk surge]

Fib asked if it kills spike

[pure orchid]

Even if just s2

[full terrace]

Oh he is blocked I didnt read

Why S2 tho? Can just use S3

😂

[pure orchid]

Man this is 🥀

[brisk surge]

Probs e1

[pure orchid]

Yh but what if not e2

[brisk surge]

I only play snipermed so idk

But generally s2 is enough with a little help

[full terrace]

E1 is a bit of an issue yeah, but I mean if you are at F3 you usually have Wis promoted by then

[brisk surge]

I have promoted wis on first node

[full terrace]

I usually just uh

Take Scout node on F2

For Wis if I havent promoted her by then

So at F3 she is usually promoted

[still vessel]

do i take +7% atk or +20 dp, I already have +30 dp relic.

[full terrace]

If she hasnt I reset 😂

[still vessel]

also @south spindle @brisk surge

wanna watch d14 fremont

[elder flume]

I shill dp

[brisk surge]

Not really I want to shower

[still vessel]

ok ill just finish the run and move on to d15

[south spindle]

sure

[still vessel]

ok

[still vessel]

join

[smoky halo]

if its s3 u open up the boxes

and its a 3 lane map now

[brisk surge]

Wis covers both lanes

Unless you have like

Deployment limit -

[willow sun]

congestion!!!

[brisk surge]

It shouldn't be an issue

[willow sun]

max i thought you were showering

[pure orchid]

I had congestion on quilon

It was such arse

[maiden hound]

showering on the phone

[willow sun]

again 💔

[willow sun]

idk why i interpreted this as irony

and i thought you meant like

[brisk surge]

True

[full terrace]

Epochal Gaps is not an issue with Wis yes, I think PayDay just had a positioning/deployment issue

[pure orchid]

Im legit

[willow sun]

quilon made you constipated

😭

[pure orchid]

Just 3 ops

Bro

I eat fiber

[willow sun]

nah that’s funnier

[full terrace]

I'm quite happy to take Sordid Surveillance/Epochal Gaps on F3 Bosky if I get one

[pure orchid]

Im good

[willow sun]

wtf why would you eat fib

that’s not nice

[still vessel]

I put wis to the left of blue box facing left

[pure orchid]

True tho lol

[pure orchid]

Dw hes into that i think

[still vessel]

and i had lappland facing left on bottom lane

[full terrace]

Who holds the upper side?

[willow sun]

fib is this true gaeass

[pure orchid]

Sorry, i twink*

[willow sun]

what stage is this about?

[full terrace]

Oh you got the top box setup?

[willow sun]

im just curious

[still vessel]

Mlynar and click but mistimed skill

[full terrace]

Should be fine tho hmm

[brisk surge]

You should always block the guy in the middle

[full terrace]

Epochal Gaps

[still vessel]

I didnt have flinger hand yet or many relics since i hadnt taken any wish fulfilled yet

[full terrace]

F3 Bosky

[willow sun]

hmm if you get the good box spawn i’ve been able to thug it out with e1 wis rumble but it’s pretty sketch and you probably can’t get all spikes

idk all the context though so

sufferings makes that impossible though i think

[full terrace]

Tbh I didnt see his play I cant exactly tell either

[willow sun]

dam

[full terrace]

But from my experience Wis E2 alone solved like 60~70% of the stage

[still vessel]

ye no e2 lapp either so my arts damage was nonexistant

[willow sun]

i just know there’s one tile where wis can snipe 3 of the spikes with s2

[brisk surge]

He deploys like qyurii I can see it

[willow sun]

yea wis with rumble is usually enough to survive it

[still vessel]

[willow sun]

as for getting all plans i usually draft medicmiya for that

[full terrace]

😂

[still vessel]

medicmiya that medicmiya this

i need to do story bruh

[willow sun]

imma join and see

[willow sun]

clearly open medicmiya

[still vessel]

oh d14 run finished its on to d15

[willow sun]

:clueless:

[full terrace]

Yeh exactly

[brisk surge]

Yep

[full terrace]

Can get most of the Spines if she is on S3 so probably positioning issue

[willow sun]

if you got catastrophe though i don’t think e1 wis can cut it

[brisk surge]

Wis gummy click is cringe

[willow sun]

maybe with a blocker

[still vessel]

how else do i start bruh

[brisk surge]

Wis amyamya gummy is the real opener

[willow sun]

don’t listen to ros facing down fr!!

[still vessel]

fr he a hater

[willow sun]

how broken is castermiya open

true damage!!

[brisk surge]

Broken

I'll break her

[willow sun]

:(

[maiden hound]

as broken as cliffheart open

[willow sun]

@pure orchid thoughts

[full terrace]

Yes it was Catastrophe but he went in with E2 Wis

[still vessel]

[willow sun]

oh yea e2 wis should have the dps then, as the solo e2 though you’re probably gonna have to leave 1 or 2 plans

[full terrace]

Slight positioning issue is my guess

But then I didnt really see how it went

Not 100% sure

[brisk surge]

I didn't see either

Shampoo got into my eyes and it hurts

[still vessel]

it was the run before my succesfull run

so no one saw it

[willow sun]

i have died to epochal before though but my only e2 was logos and i got bad box spawn 🥹

wis cleared 3 spines and then logos got caught lacking off cycle and leaked

[brisk surge]

Just break the box

[willow sun]

that was a long time ago though

[willow sun]

i’ll break your box

[brisk surge]

Come vc neow

[pure orchid]

Wait what

thoughts on what

[pure orchid]

Ill take that as a compliment

[pure orchid]

What the fuck thats our daughter

I will break you first

[smoky halo]

does she get initial skill up

or do u just leak

[pure orchid]

Leaking!

My fav

[willow sun]

e1 wis in epochal does

unless like +6 dp cost idk

if you get bad box spawn i don’t remember

you might have to plop like beanstalk down if you get bad box spawn

but yea s2 flinger hand works

e1 isn’t enough for catastrophe though i think

[full terrace]

Yeah no, but E2 can handle Catastrophe

I know this coz I got plenty of no Rumble runs back in pre-expansion

Did plenty of Doodle runs

And some of them were Catastrophe Epochal Gaps from F3 Bosky

[smoky halo]

yeah ik s2 can

im asking for s3

[brisk surge]

Unless the draft is really bad you don't leka

[weary grotto]

Need help in 14-21

[brisk surge]

If draft bad you reset anyways

[weary grotto]

How do i prevent the cocoon from stunning everyone

[willow sun]

yea but why use s3 in epochal

she breaks the boxes and screws you over in my experience, i only used it once and almost died because of it

[full terrace]

14-21 here read this #strategy message

You counter her orbiting orbs and burst, something like this #strategy message

[weary grotto]

The problem is more of her phase 2 stun

[full terrace]

Just

[weary grotto]

Retreat almost everyonrle

[willow sun]

use some random ranged op to drag it away from your other ops

so they don’t keep juggling it around

[full terrace]

If you did not spawn the cocoon in Phase 1, you should have plenty time for Phase 2

The corners' cocoon dont spread that fast

[smoky halo]

thats literally what i said

[willow sun]

oh the sealed tiles

[smoky halo]

i use s2

maxxers told me s3 :icant:

[willow sun]

i think the person who was making the play used s3 idk

[smoky halo]

🚬

idk

bruh

[full terrace]

S3 what? Wis on Epochal Gaps?

[smoky halo]

yes i asked if s2 can clear catastrophies f3

maxxers said use s3

so i asked if s3 has enough initial sp

[weary grotto]

How do i know where her cocoon will spawn?

[full terrace]

Did you read what I sent you or not

50% HP

[willow sun]

doesn’t s3 and s2 both have the same initial windup?

10sp

issue is s3 might leak as well

[full terrace]

Wis S3?

[willow sun]

yea wis

[full terrace]

Nah not at all

S3 is actually better than S2 coz it kills Spines swiftly

[willow sun]

i mean wis might target top spike while box spawn means they go bottom route

[full terrace]

Its fine let her break boxes

She holds top and mid lane by herself

Only issue is bottom lane

[brisk surge]

Where did theacc go

[willow sun]

i went to sleep bro i took a nap

[full terrace]

Bottom lane can lanehold with whatever ops you have at the time

I never handicap myself and use Wis S2 on Epochal just to not break boxes

[brisk surge]

That was like a 20 minutes nap

[willow sun]

i mean more like she might get distracted by the top spine and in those 5-10 seconds she spends shooting at it some of the trash leaks bottom side

idk if you have enough dp to block

depends on if youre doing ed2/fractured ig

[full terrace]

Not at all, her splash kills the normal mob

[willow sun]

does it? i could've sworn the top spike is 3 tiles above middle row

lemme double check

[full terrace]

Her S3 destroys Spines swiftly

Yes

F3 is even easier coz you didnt get +20% HP from entering F4

Spines kill is even faster

[brisk surge]

Wis generally holds 2 lanes fine

With very little help

[full terrace]

Yah just break boxes and have her lanehold top and mid

Her splash can even sometimes reach bottom too

So I'm usually just like

Block bottom enemies

And wait for mid lane enemy to walk forward to her range

Then Wis splash to bottom ones

[brisk surge]

Triple flinger implied that I'll have more than one flinger and they will take the bottom lane

[full terrace]

Yeah thats the safest method

Its a 3 lanes play but basically 2 lanes defense

Coz Wis just destroy everything on top and mid

And bottom surely you got the ops for it 😏

[weary grotto]

So, basically you havr to isolate your ops during theresa phase 2?

[full terrace]

No at Phase 2 you burst with Arts

With all your best Arts units

[steel prairie]

wtf ??? so how many one shots enemy are there ??? (WTF IS THIS BS ?)

so we have these and the Clarinets dude in the event

[pure orchid]

wtf ??? WTF
he’s on babel, rip

[smoky halo]

thats a diff event

lol i was so confused

for a while

[steel prairie]

bruh I just wanna see some lore...

[pure orchid]

This night will not be short 🚬

[smoky halo]

it will be

i cast sleep

[pure orchid]

[steel prairie]

ik but even on this current LT event the Clarinets also did some one shots on my Ops

[smoky halo]

[smoky halo]

erm

the current event is zt

[steel prairie]

oh ok oops (some people told me is called LT )

meh

[smoky halo]

wat

how tf

[steel prairie]

idk man...

well it starts with an L

tbf

but anyways... like the Clarinets dudes in this current event... how many enemies actually can one shot you ???

I even have a clip of the Clarinets dude casually one shotting Lappa dumb

[maiden hound]

placement issue

[steel prairie]

like they instantly wipe out your Ops hp bar into atoms

[elder flume]

not that they oneshot
more like your melee tanks arent raised

[steel prairie]

uhhh one sec

[elder flume]

they do hurt yea

[steel prairie]

ok hold on I might have to rerecord it

[steel prairie]

it swas Lappa... and usually Lappa even for a 5 star is usually pretty tough (even outlasting Chen in some scenerios) but Im surprised even she got one shotted

[elder flume]

because shes a dps not a tank

ZT 9 is 5hondo base atk
melancholy makes it 1.25k atk
add in unblocked buff into 2.15k atk first hit

[steel prairie]

also is Babel one of those more difficult events ???

[smoky halo]

yes

[steel prairie]

ah ok... I just wanted to explore some lore... dont worry I wont focus on it now

[next wigeon]

It barely has anything for a boss but its really hard for no reason

Boss only appears once

EX and S Stages have no boss

[elder flume]

damn ZT S 5 clarinet is 1.8k melancholy + 9hondo unblocked

[steel prairie]

oh so its one of those rare "normal levels are hard but the boss for some reason is super ez" ish situation ???

[elder flume]

as good as SK 1 hit

[next wigeon]

Kinda

[steel prairie]

also I thought playing the opposite music tone will prevent them from stunning your Ops... but turns out they still can

[next wigeon]

Babel Boss is like average in difficulty imo

[elder flume]

they wont stun in non melancholy

[steel prairie]

HUH ?

hol up

[dapper hedge]

Babel dont have actual boss. It doesnt carried over to ex & s stages.

Just look the color on top of their head.

They will only stun if its purple.

[next wigeon]

I know but still the Boss stage was average in difficulty

[dapper hedge]

Well duh

Its a fucking story node

Not even a ex or s stages

Even lapp a joke

[next wigeon]

Harold was difficult for a Story Node

[dapper hedge]

No he isnt

[elder flume]

isnt he just dead to Ray now

[next wigeon]

Ray "now"

[dapper hedge]

Even on tfn he just got eaten by Typhon

[next wigeon]

The only issue with Harold is the nuke

Those that have Nightingale wouldn't have an issue

[steel prairie]

ok it wasnt on their melody... yet somehow Lappa got deleted

like there clarinet wasnt even glowing... and she got reduced to atoms still

wtf ?

[maiden hound]

piss color music means +aspd +atk

all enemies gain +aspd +atk

but just no special effect for mr clarinet

[elder flume]

passionate is just aspd and mvspeed no

[next wigeon]

Yep

Purple is the one that gives Attack

[next wigeon]

My phone must hate you because all the Videos you send is like this for me

[elder flume]

Lapp E2 5ty is 2.16k hp 341 def
so she takes 1.1k x 2

she dies

[next wigeon]

Pitch Black Darkness

[maiden hound]

hop on ze puter

[steel prairie]

lol I might have been my recording... even for me on PC it looks so stuttery for some reason

[next wigeon]

Naur

[elder flume]

Chen E2 max is 2.8k hp
taking 1.1k x 2 damage lives

[steel prairie]

jesus how is my recording so stuttering ??? GT literally looks pixalated on it

[elder flume]

mafs

[next wigeon]

The reason is that Lappy has little def

[elder flume]

less hp than Chen really

[next wigeon]

The Clarinet fellas are just hard hitters

[elder flume]

their def is roughly the same

[steel prairie]

really ??? Lappy seems to be unusually tough most of the time

[next wigeon]

They hit even harder on Purple

[steel prairie]

so different tunes will also buff them differently ?

[elder flume]

E2 max is 2.35k hp for Lapp
add 175 hp if mod3

[next wigeon]

Purple - Slow but increased Atk
Yellow - Faster Atk and Movement

[elder flume]

for clarinet they gain +1.5x atk when purple

[next wigeon]

Some enemies have their own quirks on the tunes

[steel prairie]

hmm... and apparently Yellow also means a BS Shield for the Bass/Cello guy

[next wigeon]

Like the trombone one becomes Aoe

[steel prairie]

which I absolutly despise

[next wigeon]

That's Purple

Cello guy wants Purple for Shield

[steel prairie]

oh ??? oh I thought it just follow the color (like the shield is yellow... so I assumed its yellow)

[next wigeon]

They have a small color icon on their head

If the correct tune is on its glowing

[steel prairie]

yeah ik (tho sometimes its hard to see)

[next wigeon]

You can also memorize it

[brisk surge]

ascalon it 🥱

[steel prairie]

so uhhh defenders are practically mandatory here right ??? what else is needed against these crossbows ??? my medics are so bad they coudlnt even upkeep the healing vs the crossbows

[full terrace]

100/100 Divine Desire

[elder flume]

just someone that can tank 5hondo atk crossbow + incoming caster or arts drone really

[steel prairie]

also the stealth enemies is a problem... you need atleast 4 blockers

[elder flume]

1 is enough really

Lapp2 S3 is a bad matchup here

almost feels like her S1 is ideal with how long enemies stay still

Blaze takes care of 2 lanes

Shaw takes care of another

another blocker for Blaze to do 2 lanes

you have 1 lane left

Kal or Mumu or Chen or Lapp all can fill taht 1 lane

[steel prairie]

how does Blaze block 2 lanes ??? doesnt the stealth enemy only shows up if they are physically blocked ???

[elder flume]

Blaze face up or down

someone else blocks to reveal

[steel prairie]

uhhh

[elder flume]

damn these Youtube vids all dont have a Blaze on it doing what i want

[steel prairie]

lol

[elder flume]

thats an iteration of Blaze taking 2 lanes

Zima does no damage but Blaze is doing all the work

shes just there to reveal or block

[steel prairie]

also wtf those low level mages are penetrating Lins shield

and she is on S3... WTF ???

[full terrace]

How to not do 2a by @willow sun and friends

But tbh he nailed the right-side positioning 😂. Main issues are just the left-side laneholding and the lack of anti-Theresis solution (True Damage/Shu's teleport)

[willow sun]

i had grav defying i just didn't draft weedy/gladiia cause i'm imitating light's account and he doesn't have either built 💢

[south spindle]

i have weedy built

tf

[elder flume]

4hondo atk x .65 = something something over 2hondo damage = shield breaks

266 damage ye

66 damage over

has to use S3 then to get 6hondo barrier

[thorn harness]

You guys I’ve watched over like 20 vids on this awful stage I can never beat it. Any tips?

This is my squad currently

[elder flume]

borrow Wis

no CS?

[somber falcon]

why are you not using the rest of your raised 6*

[steel prairie]

wait is Melantha considered a quick deploy ???

[elder flume]

no

[steel prairie]

you might also wanna buff Jay a bit

[steel prairie]

also idk if Kroos is enough to take down the fire pillars for 2nd stage... those pillars are actually quite tough you have to destroy them on time

[pearl breach]

What kills you??

[steel prairie]

lol I just realize 8-3 has like a million ways to kill you

how are these stupid caster bastard penetrating my Lins shield ??? wtf ??? its only 200 kill marks and my Lin is dead (S3 shields up ??????)

[scarlet mortar]

is your lin modded

[steel prairie]

nope

[scarlet mortar]

go figure

[steel prairie]

I dont have any resources available for modding