strategy

[elder flume]

Nightmare is great yeah

[astral cosmos]

nope nightmare is phys AND arts!

how broken

[limpid ore]

hoshigumball

[astral cosmos]

nope my hoshi is sl6

[limpid ore]

🫴

[astral cosmos]

unusable

[limpid ore]

smh, slacker

[astral cosmos]

i have bison zzzzz

don't need another brick

[limpid ore]

no brick is enough

we need operator with damage that scale on their own max HP (not the soloblade kind)

300% of max HP as phys dmg

[elder flume]

Oya about Weedy modx
The only way to properly use it is if the map have dp problems or sp batterying Weedy
But if youre sp batterying then you surely would rather use mody for -8s rdp than +5 or something sp

Idk i just dislike how modx is being recommended first in non CC context

[limpid ore]

help behaviour

to parrot is to live

[astral cosmos]

to parrot is to rot

(i am decaying)

[limpid ore]

blight upon thy

[steel prairie]

can you regrind the same anni level over and over again until you hit the Orundum limit ?

[elder flume]

Ye

Thats what current rotating anni is for

5x replay

[steel prairie]

the problem is I cant auto grind it because I have to use Wis to get the 400 clear

even then its never a smooth clear its like "almost on the verge" of failing grind lol

[elder flume]

Is your Lungmen Downtown autoable

Just a lil something

[steel prairie]

uh I think I used Wis on all of them... its just that 300+ kills it gets super hard (and panicky)

[elder flume]

Bleh

[limpid ore]

man, lapp2 voice is way too different from the og

[steel prairie]

did Lappa VA get changed ?

[limpid ore]

same

[steel prairie]

oh ok

[limpid ore]

just forgot how to do her voice

just like greyy

[steel prairie]

oh ok lol... I thought it was another Platinum drama thing lol

[limpid ore]

i mean, it's been 5 years since she lasts voiced her

[steel prairie]

yeah

[elder flume]

The rule is basically find an anni you can auto
Use that instead than malding manual

[steel prairie]

but either way its really hard to perfect 400 on my own team... also I hate the heavy enemy swarm... I stand almost 0 chance against these heavy rioters

[elder flume]

Worst case scenario auto Lungmen Outskirts

Since you have almost a full E2 squad at this point

[steel prairie]

ehh I would say its half E2... but also niche E2 since most E2 are physical melee characteres

if its any thing that needs arts or AOE Im fuked

oh yeah and also my healers failing to upkeep my team is another issue

[elder flume]

Try Lungmen Outskirts first

But after event ends

[steel prairie]

ok

[elder flume]

All sanity should be put into ZT7

[steel prairie]

yeah I know... just sometimes I have like 30 sanity spare left and dont wanna waste it

sad that AK doesnt have sanity overflow thingy like other gachas have

[limpid ore]

it has

the correct mechanic term is energy reservation

[still vessel]

overflow only happens if you use sanity pots or op

you cant overflow with natural regen

[limpid ore]

or level up

[still vessel]

yes that too

[limpid ore]

tbh storing excess sanity somewhere else is pretty much same as increasing the existing cap

other gacha have is 2ndary energy regen from cafe

[still vessel]

????

who said max was 120 from shop rob?

ive been lied to

[elder flume]

Prob showcases it better

[full terrace]

Nobody said that. I got 200 in a rob before

With Furnace+Prosperity+2 Ingot relics

[still vessel]

idk if im schizo bro but i remember hearing "they should only be able to get 120 from robbing anyways".

maybe i should get myself checked

[elder flume]

getting checked for schizo from AK

[limpid ore]

probably from #help

[civic bear]

it 112

its max without any buff

obv it can get higher

[timid nacelle]

it's 110-120 without buffs
if u kill cannot too fast u may even not get that
u probably had the extra 100% ingot drop inspirer active
or the collectible that spawns more gold chests

[still vessel]

i hadnt popped any buffs

but maybe i had a relic buff since i kinda forget what relics i have each run

[timid nacelle]

ye I sometimes kill him too fast and he doesn't get to spawn shit

end up with way too little gold

[still vessel]

mlynar is almost perfect since he does a lot of dph and leaves time in between attacks for him to spawn chests

[timid nacelle]

I blame king's relics

[still vessel]

my go to for robbing honestly but mlynar doesnt work if you dont have atk+ relics in higher diff

I know you cant stun him but does fear count?

[timid nacelle]

idk I don't use stall like 95% of the time

[wicked viper]

theres a relic that give more ingots from treasure chest

those guys count as treasure chests

therefore, it works for them

[timid nacelle]

I only ever stalled ed2

[still vessel]

most likely why, I should probably pay more attention to relics

[timid nacelle]

in is-4*

[timid nacelle]

I mean that's 80% of the win

[timid nacelle]

do u know what wis does with no flinger hand and good relics

[still vessel]

I only really pay attention to getting kings set + one of the atk spd relics, flinger hand, and both undulation are guaranteed so i almost never actively think about anything else

[timid nacelle]

ranged units atk + relics

anythin with squad/deployment limit

uh a lot of other underrated stuff

[timid nacelle]

the relics that give u +atk for each thought u have

the relics that give u more stats per battle/em fought

[still vessel]

epochs give +ingot too wtf

[wicked viper]

actually

[timid nacelle]

[wicked viper]

the surpreme ring doesnt work for treasure chest

the same way ED4 relics doesnt reduce treasure chest ingot

it reduces the combat ingots only

[timid nacelle]

ye that's from the inspirer that spawns a "window"

[wicked viper]

knight lance pro used to be dog shit in IS3 and IS4

but its great in IS5

[still vessel]

i had this + 40 shrivel and sprouts wisadel 3 shot fremont d11

[pearl breach]

Do you guys use machine inspire right away or wait to combine them into industry for 3 chests? Also, when do you guys use them? Before f4?

[still vessel]

save for combine ye you get more

[wicked viper]

save for industry

because machine only give 1

industry give 3

personally for ed4 run

[still vessel]

idk about when to use em, I think using em earlier is better unless youre doing ed4 and havent grabbed lotus

[timid nacelle]

it's good for dodgin shitty epochs basically
u get like the epoch that gives enemies+50% atk or the ones that give plans+2 toil limit
u slap window on an easy stage
boom shit epoch done
get buff for ur units instead snd more ingots

[wicked viper]

i tend to spend all ingots on floor 1

get the ed4 relic that eat all ingots

then rob floor 5 for chalice

it means as long as i use industry before f5 wish

its fine

[timid nacelle]

don't u rob f6

[wicked viper]

no

[timid nacelle]

since it's ed4

[still vessel]

thats gamble no?

[timid nacelle]

[still vessel]

no guaranteed shop?

[wicked viper]

you need chalice for f5 boss fight

f6 is guaraantee shop

but not guarantee wish

[still vessel]

oh floor 6 not possibility

[wicked viper]

which is bad

[timid nacelle]

oh ye I forgot it gets stronger

didn't matter much in my run tho

[wicked viper]

if you save it to f6

[timid nacelle]

life sub d15

[wicked viper]

theres a high chance that you fail to get chalice

[timid nacelle]

[wicked viper]

and just fail the run

because reroll give you combat instead of wish

[pearl breach]

Chi. Do you left two plans too? To switch f6 shops or you just pass the node?

[timid nacelle]

the shop ain't guranteed f6 ?

[still vessel]

it is mb im tweaking

[wicked viper]

well thats also the usual issue

even if you save plans

theres a chance that reroll just not give wish

while theres guarantee wish at the end of floor 5

[timid nacelle]

ye this is the kind of bs that makes me avoid d15

I only play it for 10 wins then drop below

dyin to a slight mismanagement is utter bs

[wicked viper]

yeah sure unless you think you can gamble floor 6 for the duck/bear/dog fight

save 1 plans for shop node

[timid nacelle]

ok yeah that fight is neigh impossible without camo

even at lower diffs it's a massive pain in the ass

[south spindle]

should be first node on F6
atleast for ED4 i haven't done ED3 is ages

[timid nacelle]

pretty sure every f6 is guaranteed shop

first node

Someone said earlier and it wasn't and I got confused

[south spindle]

oh payday was saying that

[still vessel]

sorry i mixed up poss and f6

since i remember being told poss was not guaranteed shop

[timid nacelle]

the guaranteed shop on bosky is from the uh end of times relic

well it's called arch of something in is-5

but it gives u a shop

[still vessel]

archglyph?

[pearl breach]

Luckily we have walls + elder crown (post expansion update)
What about quilon fight? What isnpire you guys normally use? Just rnf?

[timid nacelle]

ye

[still vessel]

ok also

[timid nacelle]

go ham

[still vessel]

@south spindle @brisk surge

wanna watch d12

[south spindle]

yuh

[still vessel]

ok

[timid nacelle]

ye I use that on every shitty fight lol

[brisk surge]

i wanna shit

[timid nacelle]

..... ?

[still vessel]

you always do bruh

[south spindle]

wtf

yuck

disgusting

[still vessel]

flinger slop yum

[south spindle]

P6 M9

[pearl breach]

What about envenom? I never actually use them and just combine them for +2 shield

[timid nacelle]

reminds me I should m3 her s2

she would be m9 then

[lilac steppe]

Hey2.. any general tips on what newbie should be doing differently for difficulty 10 iS4?

DP and SP generate so slow.. maybe preferable path, or trinket, or whatever it is

[elder flume]

Sora doesnt heal
Wonder if Ange will

[wicked viper]

try ange s1

token/summons can also be "buff banned"

regen count as a buff

but ange s1 for unknown reason enable buff ban to receive regen buff

[wicked minnow]

i feel like i tried healing that thing before and literally nothing worked

looking forward to you testing everything ig

[elder flume]

i know tower can go infinite but its prob patched

Ange definitely doesnt work on car tho

[steel prairie]

so uh after raiding zt-7 and having around 40 sanity left what do I do with it ???

do a anni or another story level before finishing the day ?

[elder flume]

always ZT 7

nothing else will come to your mind until event ends

[steel prairie]

ok

question: what is routine visitation ???

[elder flume]

event menu left top

[maiden hound]

minigame

[steel prairie]

oh ok

[elder flume]

ok ye Ange S1 should definitely work on tower

just have to get the run

[noble spire]

Does anyone have a lv 70-90 e2 fiammetta that I can borrow

[pure orchid]

<@&586570970345635868>

[pure orchid]

I have a level 60 fia

mod3 and s3m3

[elder flume]

its patched

cant Ange it anymore

[noble spire]

Could you add me, my id is Huy#3387

[pure orchid]

Added

[noble spire]

Aight thanks alot

[pure orchid]

[steel prairie]

is Lessing useful in anything ?

[pure orchid]

She's less useful than guard Skadi

Thats a pretty low bar mind you

[smoky halo]

erm

lessing is male

🚬

[pure orchid]

Go away maleknight playr

[smoky halo]

you should know this cos u like males

‼️

theacc told me

[pure orchid]

Ah fuck

Nope that was an edit

I swear

[smoky halo]

:clueless:

[pure orchid]

[smoky halo]

you cant fool me

exec simp 🚬

[steel prairie]

I also thought Lessing is a male

[smoky halo]

thats cause he is

[pure orchid]

IM NOT AN EXEC SIMP 😭

He gotta be lowk one of the ugliest men here

[wicked minnow]

wtf

lessing known male

[steel prairie]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I dont know if your projecting or not

[south spindle]

DAMN qyuri even has a type

[willow sun]

qyurii known male lover

[pure orchid]

Fuck

okay actual misplay

I might be digging my grave here

[steel prairie]

question: are you a girl ?

[willow sun]

yes

[steel prairie]

not asking you

[willow sun]

im saying he is a girl

💢

[maiden hound]

qyurii known female

[steel prairie]

oh

[pure orchid]

Doesnt matter

[south spindle]

yes

[brisk surge]

qyurii known fem

[steel prairie]

WTF girls play this game ???

[pure orchid]

Why wouldnt they

[south spindle]

dont tell your mom

[willow sun]

yeah i’d know cause im a girl

[steel prairie]

having a existential crisis

[elder flume]

i managed to fix my keeps disconnecting game

[maiden hound]

no sausage party for mr myon 😔

[willow sun]

because girls like m*n like you do

[steel prairie]

LOL the correct answer would be dont tell my neighbors (because a lot of my neighbors legitmetly HATE anime stuff)

[pure orchid]

Uhuh...

[elder flume]

at the cost of everything is 7x slower for entry and sending pics to discord

so expect pics within 15 mins

[pure orchid]

7x slower will drive me nuts

[willow sun]

qyurii rate the open

[pure orchid]

Did you throttle your connection or smth

[steel prairie]

I literally got cancelled irl because I like anime (my neighborhood is werid lol)

[elder flume]

idk its just broken

[pure orchid]

How do u get 4 opener what

[steel prairie]

is this IS ?

[pure orchid]

Kinda crazy tho

[maiden hound]

is5

[pure orchid]

Advanced guard/caster into insta promote if you run 5-stars

[maiden hound]

d15 fantasizer iirc

[steel prairie]

tho looking at IS you can only recruit the characters you own right ??? (and apparently nerfed version of them ?)

[elder flume]

you can borrow for your first draft screen

A moving reticle is cursed

Cursed reticle gets worse

and with luck theres temporary recs

oh theres my pics

[maiden hound]

your characters are capped at e1 max (and not buffed to e1max) at first recruit
you can recruit them again to get their e2 versions

[elder flume]

damn they really tried killing infinite

reticle stops scanning after certain period

cant infinite exp anymore

[steel prairie]

Ahhh ok

[narrow pendant]

So gay

IS peak mode!!
Until u get rng fucked or forced a shit ending :realmad:

[pearl breach]

whats up with feater, gladia and ange, rain?

is there something you want to try with them?

[elder flume]

Expedition equipments lose hp overtime

It was possible to Ange it back when release

And if you find March of The Dead then theres regenerating enemies

Assuming equipment hp is always full then they will just keep farming exp

Feater is more of a safety net to keep Necrass enemies blocked

[pearl breach]

Do you think CE will work?

#salt-mines message

[smoky halo]

ur pull history says otherwise

🤫

[pearl breach]

Last time I tried she could heal the roadblock for some reason

[steel prairie]

wait WHAT ?

[pearl breach]

you heard it right

[pure orchid]

What pull history
-# i am pertaining to the fact that such qol does not exist in global yet

[steel prairie]

HOW ?

[steel prairie]

he is a hacker LOL

[pearl breach]

I have no idea
I found it accidentally while doing is3 ed3

[smoky halo]

ur still a simp

🤫

[steel prairie]

also how is my factories producing gold failing to keep up with my orders ??? (I literally have all the reccomended base Ops built)

[pearl breach]

Thats normal. Switch to 3gold 2exp

You can switch back again once you have enough excess gold

[elder flume]

IS3 n IS4 has different coding

Feel free to try

My CE is E1 1

But i doubt something that cancels Ange S1 can do something

[steel prairie]

curious question: can Gladiia drag a enemy to a hole diagonally ? or no the hole has to be infront of her ?

[elder flume]

She can

[steel prairie]

ah ok

[steel prairie]

huh she didnt ?

[elder flume]

Didnt use S2?

Whatever her range is will be when she pulls

[scarlet fulcrum]

Where did u place gladiia

[steel prairie]

placed her here in the circle... hence why I ask if she can pull someone into the hole diagonally

I mean I guess I can put her on the top area... I guess I was over cautious

also she still hold her own pretty well (wtf Zuo ??? arent you a lane holder ??? why you suck at 1v1 so bad ???)

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just do that then, and s1 for better uptime

[steel prairie]

oh wait wtf she was S1 (forgot to change the default)

[scarlet fulcrum]

The mobs there only consist trash and yellow weeb at end

[steel prairie]

cant just Hyper just make the default one the main primary one ???

[scarlet fulcrum]

U can change freely on squad, default just for lazy ppl

[elder flume]

My Siege is S3 default becuase i use it the most

No one here would ever use Siege S3 let alone Siege

[scarlet fulcrum]

true

[steel prairie]

Im so confused on Zuo... so basically Zuo is best if your constantly feeding him enemies ? (at a steady pace ?)

[elder flume]

Zuo excels at 1 on 1 with a decent atk enemy and able to self sustain through S2 S3 spam

[scarlet fulcrum]

High pressure he is great with s3, s2 kinda fine at lv7

For generic use

[steel prairie]

wait what is his S3 skill ?

I havent E2 him yet

[elder flume]

Thats mainly the problem

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats more reason then lmao

He wants mod first

[steel prairie]

oh is he one of those Ops thats actually worthy of a mod ?

[final obsidian]

He doesn’t even get SP restore talent unless E2

[scarlet fulcrum]

Very

[steel prairie]

ahhh that explains it

now it make sense

people telling me Zuo is good yet he couldnt 1v1 on E1 on the XP level 5 against those axe wielding fatass (and yet Skadi can... and she was also E1)

and I was confused af

[scarlet fulcrum]

Who is axe wielding fatass

[steel prairie]

uhhh that fat reunion wiwth a red mask holding a axe...

let me look it up

[steel prairie]

uhh I think smth similar to a Armed Militant... it is considered a elite enemy

ok it is a Armed Militant

[scarlet fulcrum]

Militant probably sk stages

[steel prairie]

Armed Militant on LS-5... literally peferctly time Zuo shield and he couldnt kill one on time... then E1 Skadi proceeds to kill 2 of them

[scarlet fulcrum]

They have quite decent atk for young roster, unless u heal skadi she wont survive without redeployed

[steel prairie]

yeah thats the thing Zuo cant be healed......

[scarlet fulcrum]

He doesn't need to, once he have the mod

[steel prairie]

yeah but thats a long time comin...... I can say Skadi is more resource friendly

[scarlet fulcrum]

E1 skadi just whatever, even if u compare their e2

[steel prairie]

most likely I might just get Zuo to E2 and then focus on leveling on my medics... and then later on Zuo mods

unless Zuo mod is like VERY mandatory

[scarlet fulcrum]

idk dude u got the great operator, so make use of him

[steel prairie]

ik its just Im resource strained and a lot of end stages are very tough (both events and story) especially if its a boss one

[scarlet fulcrum]

If u prioritize the better side first u are fine. Also resources spread everywhere for free nowadays

[elder flume]

Current event can just be Logosed

[scarlet fulcrum]

Doubt they even do event

[steel prairie]

oh I used Wis on the Witch King (that dude jumps around too much)

[final obsidian]

Logos can instakill him with event mechanic

[steel prairie]

this rerun event was went pretty well for me overall...... Im still tramatized from the Lappa Alter event tho (that one was definetly hell)

[scarlet fulcrum]

no its not

Its just car fest

[elder flume]

.

[steel prairie]

for me it was... granted I did have a much weaker team that time but it was hard enough that I cannot auto grind free resources on it

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea even for weaker team (if u say ur team weak)

[steel prairie]

oh thats the ex-zt-8 ?

[glass monolith]

Ideal City event

[elder flume]

Ye

[steel prairie]

I had no E2 at that time (maybe Chen... but when I did E2 her it was like 2 days left on event)

[elder flume]

I miss IC

[steel prairie]

is that the one where there is a lot of volkswagen beetles ?

[elder flume]

Thats prob IS

[steel prairie]

ehh mercedes beetles ?

[scarlet fulcrum]

u probably realized u don't really need e2, and e2 is free for newb now

[steel prairie]

yeah but that was super tough... the moment Saria blocks 1 van another comes and cruise by her and then its GG

and Nearl usually just... dies

[scarlet fulcrum]

if its ex stages just borrow carry

Normal stages can be easily cleared with low lv

[steel prairie]

no Im also talking about the regular one... because I know it has good drops for resources but I couldnt auto grind on it because......well my team wasnt the best

[scarlet fulcrum]

[steel prairie]

yk that one with two lanes ??? (1 on top 1 on bottem... and the vans zig zag alot ?)

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats pv-9 iirc

[steel prairie]

yeah

good for resource drop... too bad I couldnt auto farm on it

once my Saria blocks 1 another like 3 vans come in her way

[scarlet fulcrum]

If u keep killing balloons, ur ops will be immortal there

[steel prairie]

ik but you still have to kill the vans... its just my dps is so bad the van literally lives forever

Wis is there just so the vans can be killed

[scarlet fulcrum]

They lost dr during carnevale, melt to any arts

[steel prairie]

I only have 2 arts at that time... honestly it also felt they are immortal as well

[scarlet fulcrum]

And who are the 2 arts

[steel prairie]

Amiya and Lin

[scarlet fulcrum]

thats plenty

[steel prairie]

I actually used Lin as a balloon buster due to aoe

[steel prairie]

AMiya is enough ???

[scarlet fulcrum]

use sniper to kill balloon

[steel prairie]

hmm should have had Kroos at that time

[scarlet fulcrum]

even rangers+kroos enough for most if it

[steel prairie]

I did not have GT at that time

[elder flume]

You can redo it next year

[steel prairie]

yeah

also the Lappa boss was way harder than the witch king

[scarlet fulcrum]

How is your GT e2 80 then? Is it insta ticket?

[steel prairie]

she is E2 now... but on Lappa event I didnt even had her

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh kernel puller

I will say krooster far better than her, and krooster is free unit

[steel prairie]

yeah but I was cokmpletly clueless at that time (maybe just joining AK when the event JUST started was a bad idea XD)

next event is Exodus ???

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its fine actually, i joined when skadi event almost end too. Managed to grab most from shop. Thats all matter

[steel prairie]

whats the boss of Exodus ???

I mean Exodus event ?

[scarlet fulcrum]

idk, im not spoiling myself that far

someone who love hw or play cn prob know

[pearl breach]

Isnt that skadi is the first standard banner?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Maybe first debut banner

[steel prairie]

oh I found it... too bad wiki doesnt state if he is takes more dmg from physical or arts

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just wait until event arrive

Do current event first

[steel prairie]

ik... I just dont want to end up like the Lappa event... it was so hell for me I was lowkey tramatized

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats the point of figuring stages, with trial and error. Also u can just read wiki for the description

[smoky blaze]

Close enough. She is the second after SA and karlan ops

[scarlet fulcrum]

Well she is still first "debut" banner

[elder flume]

Next boss is ez dw

Dies to falling

[scarlet fulcrum]

[pearl breach]

Doesn't change the fact that you are an early player kirin. 🛐

[scarlet fulcrum]

Nah im just coming late ngl, i invited by my aus friend back then

[glass monolith]

Dies to falling on holeless map

[elder flume]

Idk if i have enough ops to fall all

Hopefully enough

Lots of bugs to find

[scarlet fulcrum]

Bug abuser be like

[full terrace]

Oo~ I forgot how fun Manmade Carnival was

[south spindle]

I had my first encounter with the infamous manmade

And again said again Elaless

🥀

[full terrace]

You exploded?

[south spindle]

No

Ascalon sweeped left

Not EM

And it was like my 4th run ever

So like D1

[full terrace]

Ah okay

Idk whats wrong with me today

I keep forgetting to draft the key unit for the ending I'm attempting

2a without Kaltsit

Then just now IS4 ending 4 without Ceobe

Luckily Logos is there 😏

[smoky halo]

u dont need ceobe anymore

dont ed4

[brisk surge]

[wicked minnow]

what's the draft now for ed4?

i've always seen people in competition draft dorothy early and she does well in ed4 too but is that what people do now generally?

[smoky halo]

with wis or without wis?

[wicked minnow]

with wis

[smoky halo]

wis skalter ng can tank yellow king and handle right side

then add asca for permastall after red king dead, and handle bot left

then frd of ur choice to kill snipers up top

[full terrace]

Any powercul Caster works for left side, Ceobe just 1 cycle

Right side stack Wis and Mlynar

[smoky halo]

ceobe does not 1 cycle

[full terrace]

Ceobe 1 cycle with good relics whachu talking about

[smoky halo]

erm

[brisk surge]

[smoky halo]

with good relics even 12f can 1 cycle

😇

[full terrace]

😏

[smoky halo]

its like 2 cycle (1.5 cycle) with sing

[full terrace]

Nah I 1 cycle most of the time with her

Right side just stack Wis Mlynar, both kings dead around the same time

[smoky halo]

relying on dmg relics is a bad strat

on avg u get 1-2 dmg relics

[pearl breach]

5 dead days before thorns alt

?

[full terrace]

Even without relics she'd do fine with Ela Mines idk why you wanna downplay her so bad

[pearl breach]

welp wrong chat.

[brisk surge]

like someone said legally we dont know

[pearl breach]

sock and sator wont come here

[brisk surge]

does he know

[pearl breach]

[wicked minnow]

does he know

[smoky halo]

i am not downplaying her i am telling the other guy to not expect to 1 cycle

she is literally the best solution relicless

but thats 3 cycle

[unkempt lintel]

w8 does ceobe rly 1 cycle kings if ur lucky enuf to be blessed with relics???

i do remember i can whittle down the hp to 10% ish with ease due to giga aspd buff(and probably some atk buff)

[wicked minnow]

dont underestimate relics

[full terrace]

And I'm telling him it's fine to expect 1 cycle. I know what you are trying to say by not relying on relics and all that, but realistically speaking, one is bound to have a number of relics on the journey to F6, it's just a natural progression of the gamemode, and even if she did not 1 cycle, I'm pretty sure bro has the ability to adapt, handling whatever %HP the boss has left. I'm not a fan of "memorizing this memorizing that", "relicless this relicless that", or "in theory on paper its like this" as a solution to a stage especially in IS where things are a lot more unpredictable. Gameplay differs from person to person, I have played the stage countless times and most of the time she did 1 cycle, and I'm sharing that experience of mine with him. You can disagree, but you cant tell me that the experience I had is not true or not real, I'm not a troll nor a parrot, I'm only sharing something that I have experienced myself and I dont appreciate people trying to lecture me on something I personally had experienced.

[pure orchid]

The 5/23 incident

[pearl breach]

What happened on 5/23??

[smoky halo]

you generally reach f6 with 1-2 dmg relics though

and its not guranteed to be aspd

you dont plan to 1 cycle

but if u can thats good

banking ur entire strat on needing to 1 cycle is just bad

u dont like memorizing shit, its fine, but u cant say that doing that is bad

in fact it should increase winrate

[full terrace]

I'm not denying what you said, you may have your own opinion on the matter, but I had a completely different experience and what you said was not what I experienced. Also I never said something you said is bad, in fact you were the one who jumped on me outright denying what I had seen for myself, you may backread here #strategy message just because you can see from an angle, does not mean other angles are automatically invalid.

[smoky halo]

idk whenever i talk about anything in IS i always assume relicless

🫡

cos its the most consistent way to approach the map

or any relics that u are guranteed in a run so kingset chalice type shit in is5

[full terrace]

Yes. This here is an extreme example by pard where he got Scout Scope and Golden Chalice plus Sing plus Texas' res shred plus Ela's Mines. It takes only 1/10 of her skill duration. In reality where you got weaker relics tho, with Sing you'd exhaust almost the entire skill duration to 1 cycle the boss.

[unkempt lintel]

ohhh thats actually neat....

although need to be giga lucky to actually amass those relics to be in that scenario

[full terrace]

In my experience you dont really need something fancy, as long as you got the aspd for it, it should be pretty comfortable

[smoky blaze]

nope. even on your roughest day. ceo + sing + warfa s2 is more than enough.

that's my go to ed4 before logos.

[smoky blaze]

this reminds me of an old proverb that "all roads leads to china rome"

people will take a different paths but they will end up at the same destination.

however, saying others are wrong because they don't take the same rough path as yours is completely ignorant.

[smoky halo]

im not saying he's wrong though im saying his strat is inconsistent

theres a difference

[smoky blaze]

i don't want to make another pointless argument or siding here.
everyone can backread and understand what just happened.

[scarlet fulcrum]

Popcorn emoji

[timid nacelle]

[pearl breach]

you are late as usual, oldman

[timid nacelle]

wtf

[pearl breach]

please don't take my balls away 😨

[timid nacelle]

huh

why am I an old man now

[smoky halo]

[pearl breach]

looks old enough to me.

[timid nacelle]

I am 26

[scarlet fulcrum]

Light are u still on ur country?

[pearl breach]

as ak player bruh

[timid nacelle]

yeah it's joever

all plans got cancelled due to "events"

[timid nacelle]

it's just since launch

[scarlet fulcrum]

Very tough guy, respect

[next wigeon]

If it looks old, feels old, acts old then it is old ya

[timid nacelle]

And like 1.5 years of breaks

[timid nacelle]

just scrapin by

[timid nacelle]

what 3+ years of ak does to a brain

[scarlet fulcrum]

Stay safe

[next wigeon]

I have no idea what happenin

[pearl breach]

Lemme take a guess.. you are having a break between mid/late 2023 to late 2024/ early 2025?

[next wigeon]

Head Empty Just Happy

[timid nacelle]

I had a few disconnected 3+ months breaks over the years

they amount to about 1.5-2 years downtime

missed ela yato alt and dungeon meshi collab

also missed fed ex and ulpian

[wicked minnow]

oh damn ela and yato hurts

[smoky halo]

missed ela 🥹

[next wigeon]

The previous 2 is a big blow but the dunmenshi is negligible

[smoky halo]

nop

[pearl breach]

That's like the worst time to break.

[smoky halo]

chilchuck good

[timid nacelle]

missin ela is just

[smoky halo]

the best time to break is anytime, imagine not playing gacha

sounds good to me

:ya:

[timid nacelle]

I didn't even get her from support yet I have no idea how she works lmao

[next wigeon]

Normal Bozos wouldn't get him pot5 smh

[wicked minnow]

what gacha

this game has a gacha?

[smoky halo]

hes like way better than ines at dp gen at pot1 alr

[next wigeon]

I can let you borrow her

[smoky halo]

well not way better but better

[pure orchid]

feels old? can u give us a visual representation of that

[timid nacelle]

oh yeah fib how viable is ela start in is-5

[next wigeon]

You have dementia so you feel old to me ya

[smoky halo]

shes actually the meta start

for mystery comp

but needs e2

so u kinda need to own her

🥹

[wicked minnow]

[timid nacelle]

u can't e2 from start ?

[smoky halo]

not from support unit

[wicked minnow]

if borrow no

[pearl breach]

doubt
esp hearing that coming from you

[next wigeon]

If borrowing yes

[timid nacelle]

what if I just use blue print tho

[smoky halo]

uh

[next wigeon]

Ummm

[timid nacelle]

[pearl breach]

also qyuuri, what happened on 23/5?

[next wigeon]

You need Speccast

[smoky halo]

the main issue with ela start is u have spec vg sniper

no 4star vg or sniper can kill spike

so u need e2 ela to kill spike cos e1 cant kill spike too

[next wigeon]

Ela S2 is dogwater ya

[smoky halo]

so ur missing 1-2 plans already

[timid nacelle]

that's rough

hmmm

[smoky halo]

unless u skillfully roll bag of plans/squirrel or spec voucher first combat

[next wigeon]

Can I have your in-game name, I'll switch to Ela if you wanna try her out

[smoky halo]

its awful 🥹

[timid nacelle]

Sec I keep forgetting my ign

light#4779

Idk I am uppercase or lowercase L in game tho

[pearl breach]

can I add yours too, gramps?

[timid nacelle]

isn't havin blue print worth the missing plsns tho

[timid nacelle]

don't call me gramps
also go ahead

[pure orchid]

[smoky halo]

i dont play blueprint, i wouldnt know

🥹

[timid nacelle]

u miss 2 plans at f1 or 3

[pearl breach]

tell me

[timid nacelle]

but u get to reroll freely afterwards

sounds like a win to me

tho I have no idea how the woman works

[next wigeon]

Just have this ready ya

[smoky halo]

the main issue with blueprint is the hope econ

[timid nacelle]

[next wigeon]

Really old image tho kekw

[smoky halo]

if ur doing ed4

if ur not doing ed4 its bing chilling

[timid nacelle]

I am not touchin that shitty ending unless I am leakin for 2nd option

[smoky halo]

then blueprint is fine

i still need to figureout ed2 boat for males no chalice

[timid nacelle]

no way I am takin down 2.5 mil hp that's for masochists

[smoky halo]

all the options fucken suck 🥹

[timid nacelle]

males

no chalice

[smoky halo]

that was my run a while ago

sometimes u just dont hit chalice

so i need to figure out how to play without it 🥹

[timid nacelle]

just be slightly more skilled

and rng it

[smoky halo]

surely 🥹

[timid nacelle]

[smoky halo]

maleknights lacking tech options kinda suck 🥹

no weedy/shu/feater

😔

[elder flume]

Mizuki

[civic bear]

yu bro smh

[smoky halo]

yu cant tp theresis

bro has self bind

yu cant tp cresson too

fraudass unit 🥹

[civic bear]

tp other mobs smh

[smoky halo]

he cant tp the relevant IS bosses this shit is so ass 💔

[next wigeon]

Also sent

[timid nacelle]

thx

[civic bear]

ur supposed to tp elites

and then redeploy

[timid nacelle]

wheny phone is charged I will get to it

[smoky halo]

i need to getpass the 1m hp 90% dr dps check 🥹

[next wigeon]

I set Ela now

[smoky halo]

while all ranged tiles are softbanned

[wicked minnow]

can he tp is3ed4 to make the push easier

[timid nacelle]

I remember usin exu with king's set and chalice on him
had like 100% more atk fron relics too

[smoky halo]

push is already easy

ange weedy only need 1 push

no need for double push anymore

[timid nacelle]

felt like how exu takes down a normal boss

[civic bear]

well tp would let you push jellyfish too

[smoky halo]

yeah 90% dmg reduction does that

[timid nacelle]

he died but still

[smoky halo]

i mean sure ig 🥹 i feel like jellies arent really the main issue outside of transition phase

[timid nacelle]

90% dr is

wait

[civic bear]

well you would be in transition

after push

[timid nacelle]

u playin is3

[civic bear]

so it helps technically

[smoky halo]

lowkey wish they gave the option to toggle s2 to be either 5 block or 0 block

[pure orchid]

Fib are we friends ingame yet

i forgor

[smoky halo]

idk

i cant check

im doing dailies in JP

[pure orchid]

🚬

[smoky halo]

Fibrinogen#1258

🚬

[pure orchid]

[smoky halo]

pls understand i am busy :clueless:

[pure orchid]

brb lemme promote my wis

[next wigeon]

Im frens with Fib

[smoky halo]

btw qyuri why do u always upgrade shop

its pretty bad value

🫡

for lamp at least

[pure orchid]

I like discount

it bad?

[next wigeon]

The temp upgrade?

[smoky halo]

cos in ur f1 shop, u wanna spend all ingots so discount doesnt matter

[pure orchid]

I get you only buy once technically

[smoky halo]

then in ur f4/f6 shop u cant really buy stuff cos u need 38 ingots for chalice

shop upgrade is worth if ur playing shop squad talons though

[pure orchid]

hmmm

[smoky halo]

cos u just get a lot of ingots there

[pure orchid]

Lowk i think i just love gambling

[smoky halo]

[pure orchid]

Maybe i get good stuff on the refresh

[smoky halo]

ur pull history says the same

[pure orchid]

So ima put discount to be safe before i go in

Even if its the one time i will buy and its bad value

[smoky halo]

damn

just gamble mindset 🚬

[pure orchid]

oh my dumbass use portal

[next wigeon]

Chronic Gacha Mindset ya

[pure orchid]

tbf i highroll shop like crazy

[smoky halo]

serial highroller

🥹

[pure orchid]

🤫

[next wigeon]

What's high rolling

Im guessing getting the good relics

[smoky halo]

i am starting to think male only is super bad for consistency

if going 2+4

[pure orchid]

my dumbass use portal and now im forced to promote my temp viviana 😭

[timid nacelle]

highroll f1 shop and get both scalin buffs on emergency/battles with talon

[timid nacelle]

isn't that good

[next wigeon]

Answer doko

[pure orchid]

vivi is useless

[timid nacelle]

basically gettin lucky

[pure orchid]

i shouldve saved portal for when i enter bosky

[timid nacelle]

burn mod trust

[smoky halo]

portal is so broken

[next wigeon]

Oh it's similar to what I thought then

[smoky halo]

+2 hope, +1 plan, free promote

[timid nacelle]

oh yeah fuck roundstone

[smoky halo]

roundstone so ass

[pearl breach]

is she even remotely useful for is5?

[timid nacelle]

fraud ass collectible

[smoky halo]

35% chance

🥹

[timid nacelle]

nope she does jack shit

[smoky halo]

shes fine

[timid nacelle]

[smoky halo]

for 0 hope

obv

[timid nacelle]

I had temp vivi

[smoky halo]

u run s2

[timid nacelle]

she's just surtr but Less

s2 vivi user

[smoky halo]

idk i used s2 more

though i only got her once

[next wigeon]

What does roundstone do?

[scarlet mortar]

S2 good

S3 fraud before Dmod

[pure orchid]

game gave this dumbass shit before my lnf

[smoky halo]

35% chance to give 1 stack of +5% atk/def to all ops after stage clear

max of 10 stacks

[pearl breach]

nah. surtr still does a lot more than vivi for is5. due to king set, 1 medic can sustain her

[scarlet mortar]

i mean no shit

[pearl breach]

good as not a general pick tho

[smoky halo]

yeah no shit duh

🥹

[next wigeon]

The chance is abit too low for my taste

[scarlet mortar]

but if you're using vivi S2 is more comfy

[smoky halo]

yeah i like s2 more than s3 in the 1 run i had her for temp

[timid nacelle]

u get roundstone at f1

u check at f5

3 stacks

[smoky halo]

3 stacks

👍

no way same braincell

[timid nacelle]

[next wigeon]

Lol

[timid nacelle]

it happened a lot today lmao

me gettin exactly the same answer as someone else

[next wigeon]

You and Fib sharin the same braincell for IS related things

[smoky halo]

its cos i got 3 stacks too a while ago

🥹

it was like f1 roundstone too

this shit is so fake man

i wish it was hp instead of def

+15% hp unironically is pretty good

[next wigeon]

Def kinda useless if you running Hoe or Ulpianus tbh

[timid nacelle]

ye especially with lakebed aegis

aegis so good

[smoky halo]

def is useless bc everyone hits for 4 digits worth of dmg

cool u prevent 100 more dmg vs a 2k hit

[next wigeon]

[smoky halo]

[timid nacelle]

I ain't draftin defenders in is-5

[smoky halo]

u can draft shu

🤫

[next wigeon]

Shu good tho

[timid nacelle]

was thinkin about mud

[smoky halo]

but shu is for healing and hp

and not tanking

mudrock is used for shield

[timid nacelle]

30% dr against sarkaz moment

[smoky halo]

to tank some hits that are just 1 shots

[next wigeon]

Mud is drafted in IS5?

[timid nacelle]

she ain't

[smoky halo]

nah she still gets shreded by multiple hits shes just there to abuse shield talent in some relicless clears

[timid nacelle]

I am copin

[next wigeon]

I see

[pearl breach]

gramp taking a break during shu asteel

[smoky halo]

like in ed2 or ed3

[timid nacelle]

nah I was here for this one

shu is e2 60 s3m3

zuo same

[smoky halo]

who is gramp

[timid nacelle]

actually reminded me I was about to mod ange so I have a reason to use her again

[smoky halo]

[timid nacelle]

apparently I am gramp because I have been playin since launch

[pearl breach]

you are fairly close to ela banner. damn, talk about timing

[next wigeon]

Just gamba during Yu

[timid nacelle]

yu isn't a prio

also twink ew

[smoky halo]

🥹

[pearl breach]

he was meant to say offrate shu

[timid nacelle]

I need r6 rerun so I can offrate ela instead

[next wigeon]

Fib what's higher prio? Ela or Yato2

[pearl breach]

I'll give you my ash for another pot of ela

[smoky halo]

for?

[timid nacelle]

I will give my ash for an ela

[next wigeon]

General importance

[smoky halo]

wym general impostance

if u mean general content just check whichever has more records on arkrec

[pearl breach]

prolly a general squad or smth

[smoky halo]

🚬

[next wigeon]

Like which among the 2 is more important to you

[smoky halo]

for?

[next wigeon]

In all things you do

[smoky halo]

for what brah

[timid nacelle]

just ela fib

[smoky halo]

well i dont use either lately

cos i play maleknights

[timid nacelle]

ik ur ass doesn't use yato2

[smoky halo]

:joyplush:

[next wigeon]

[smoky halo]

is4 favors yato i think idk u want both

well ig yato + some other spec is worse than ela + texas

[next wigeon]

If R6 reruns isn't Ela's Banner separate from the new R6 Banner

[timid nacelle]

isn't the second event also called r6

[next wigeon]

So no offrates for you bucko

[timid nacelle]

[next wigeon]

No they separated Ash Banner and Ela Banner

[smoky halo]

i need ash to rerun

[next wigeon]

Still R6 but different banners

[smoky halo]

so i can get 35 gold certs

[timid nacelle]

[smoky halo]

thankfully i got tachanka pots

[timid nacelle]

they reran ash once did they not ?

[smoky halo]

hes incredibly strong for gvg 🥹

they did

[next wigeon]

Hmmm I see

[smoky halo]

but i wasnt playing during original run

new player pls understand

[next wigeon]

Yes they did

[pearl breach]

ye, along with ela. right before shu

[timid nacelle]

ok then just cope ela rerun

[next wigeon]

Her banner was after Ela was done

The boss was interesting

[pearl breach]

2 seperate banner

[timid nacelle]

I returned mid shu event
stomped it then went zzz for 6 months

[next wigeon]

I want a Mon Hun rerun

I want a TRC

[timid nacelle]

returned durin wis/logos got them both in free pulls and dipped till 1 month ago 🚮

[pearl breach]

imagine not having a snoop dog cat

[timid nacelle]

inconsistency moment

[next wigeon]

Good news, Ulpianus will have a rerun

[timid nacelle]

bad news Cuz I don't have many pulls

[next wigeon]

[timid nacelle]

I have like 90

I think ?

some op here and there from side stories I missed

should be around 120

[pearl breach]

Damn, 89 more pulls than mine

[next wigeon]

I hope Ardanis didn't lie to me

[timid nacelle]

I hope he did so we can ban his ass from help

[next wigeon]

He said I'll have 750 pulls total after Exusiai Event

I currently have 295.59 rn

[keen gull]

Bro is saving for ascalon max pity

[next wigeon]

I blame nick last year

[pearl breach]

Between the end of lapland to yu. You will get ~240 pulls. That includes everything; op and purpcerts

[smoky halo]

how tf do u have .59 pulls

[next wigeon]

I pulled on Ascalon and got 2 offrates

[pearl breach]

750 might be a little too much

[keen gull]

Ascalon doesnt want u bro accept it🫡

[next wigeon]

Just 295 the decimal is just conversion from what Orundum I actually have

[smoky halo]

🚬

[next wigeon]

I just counted it

I need Yu Event Free Orundum Luck

[timid nacelle]

800x 14 trust

[next wigeon]

Last Year I got cucked with constant 300s smh

[timid nacelle]

almost 20 pulls

[next wigeon]

I hope so

[timid nacelle]

on average u get 13-15 pulls from there iirc

cuz of the guranteed

[next wigeon]

Im kinda hoping for a Gnosis Shoperator tbh

[timid nacelle]

why

base ?

[next wigeon]

I don't wanna keep buying more pulls smh plus Base ya

[smoky halo]

im just waiting for gnosus ines and suzu shop

🥹

reed alter shop too ig

[next wigeon]

Dont you have Ines already

[timid nacelle]

I need ines shop

[smoky halo]

ines pot

[timid nacelle]

and fedex too ig

[next wigeon]

You spent $30 for Ines smh

[timid nacelle]

buyin the pot is deranged

[smoky halo]

bro i wanted to get another ines pot

[pearl breach]

reed pot?

[smoky halo]

from the 2nd selector

but everyone called me krazy

so i got qb instead

but i dont fucken use her

[timid nacelle]

ur ass not spending 180 certs for a dupe

[smoky halo]

ts is so ass man

[pure orchid]

you shouldve

owned up to the crazy

embraced it

[smoky halo]

ines pot kinda broken in IS

[next wigeon]

Well tbf only people like you would really need the pot

[smoky halo]

at least i can play RA danger mode now

(i dont like it)

[next wigeon]

Im not that particular or sweaty enough to care about pot

[next wigeon]

Its just stat bloat ya

You'll find use for Qb soon

[smoky halo]

theres no variance

and i dont like spending hours to clear 1 stage

🚬

[timid nacelle]

doesn't ur ass need qb for ed4

[smoky halo]

well ig therse vairance

no

[next wigeon]

Because one of the main strats there is stalling with QB in RA Danger Mode

[smoky halo]

indigo cosplays qb well

wat do

4star can take her role

[timid nacelle]

mf u got the premium version and u use the lite

[pearl breach]

hope reasons, ig

[smoky halo]

i main gvg so i need to take my dps guards first

[next wigeon]

Just shove Ethan with a bunch of Aspd and the Bind Relic that makes it last longer

[smoky halo]

🥹

what bind relic

bind is not a status

it cant be extended by the status extender relics

[timid nacelle]

+150% cc duration

it can

[next wigeon]

Oh

[smoky halo]

ya it doesnt work on bind

quilon has status resistance

[next wigeon]

That's just baloney

[smoky halo]

thats why bind is broken cos bind isnt a status

[timid nacelle]

the what

I should look at it again

[smoky halo]

the one where cc effects last half as long

status resistance

[next wigeon]

More Aspd then

[smoky halo]

from therapist

[timid nacelle]

not that

I meant look at the collectibles

[smoky halo]

ah bind is not listed there

[pearl breach]

Yea. Theraphy tape gramps

[smoky halo]

fear is not listed there but it works btw

[timid nacelle]

oh yeah it's the thing that gives arts dps to bind

[smoky halo]

ye that ones different

[timid nacelle]

I mixed things up

ye mb

tho I never pick them up

ray already kills things on s3

[smoky halo]

its ass

cos its like flat dps

[next wigeon]

Isn't that the Doll

[smoky halo]

vs 2494582392349 hp enemy

excellent

[pearl breach]

Ye.. one of two puppets

[smoky halo]

u do 0.001% of their hp per tick

[next wigeon]

That relic is kinda useless

Its scratch dmg

[timid nacelle]

ye it's there for low rarity users