strategy

[lofty stag]

What d is are you doing

[wicked minnow]

lmao

also the boss has like no defense

[lofty stag]

Cuz yeah he ain’t easy

[wicked minnow]

he has DR

[smoky halo]

his defense isnt high

[final pasture]

Did they patch Logo oneshotting boss?

[limber fox]

Absolutelly ignorable

[smoky halo]

its 90% dmg reduction

[south spindle]

No

[limber fox]

[lofty stag]

Wdym ignorable, do I assume d15?

[wicked minnow]

lmao

[smoky halo]

true dmg or use mechanic

[lofty stag]

What difficulty were you doing

[final pasture]

Why isn't he dead?

[limber fox]

Idfk like d2

[south spindle]

Only the first attack logos does after it’s placed will one shot, if you fail retreat the thing and replace it

[smoky halo]

it only works for 1 hit

[final pasture]

Ahhh

[smoky halo]

redeploy the orb

to try again

[final pasture]

Okay

[limber fox]

I only got his ending once, what is the mechanic that i failed to grasp

[lofty stag]

Pull him away from Theresa to lower dr

[wicked minnow]

physical and arts DR based on how close he is to theresa

[smoky halo]

the nearer he is to theresa the higher his dmg reduction

[south spindle]

You win by stopping incest

[smoky halo]

that is definitely a sentence

[south spindle]

It’s pretty novel

[limber fox]

This explains why i only started killing him when it was too late

[pure orchid]

What happens if you lose at ed2

[smoky halo]

kal s3 is a good solution

[south spindle]

Fib I’m stupid how do I know when to gravel between them in phase 1

[south spindle]

You’re in love with your sister

🥱

[smoky halo]

u need to gravel before he does the animation

[lofty stag]

This true qyurii

[wicked minnow]

you ignore it 🤫

[south spindle]

Uh the bar?

[smoky halo]

u need to preemptively deploy

[pure orchid]

Im going to outright deny that

[smoky halo]

before theresis does ball spawning animation

gravel should be down

[south spindle]

I bull shitted through using Nymph and Kal both last night lmao

[limber fox]

Okay
So they want u to pull.him
But u need 2 relics to be able to do so(?)

[lofty stag]

Did you leak on vermin

[smoky halo]

no

[south spindle]

Ah okay is this synced before or after all the shadows slash

[smoky halo]

uh idk i just do it based on feels

[south spindle]

Unfortunately not

[smoky halo]

its 20s cd iirc

[south spindle]

Not playing ED4 is so freeing

[smoky halo]

just vibe harder

[final pasture]

@limber fox for casual clearing I'd really suggest true dmg Do you have any source of true dmg?

[smoky halo]

idk

[wicked minnow]

no just a single -2 weight relic or thought. -1 weight works on gladiia too ig

[south spindle]

But my brain was fried

[smoky halo]

pusher is better than puller

[south spindle]

And I took Ed4 relic in Lost and Found

[smoky halo]

draft feater

she pushes theresis enough to reduce his dr from 90% to 75%

e1 feater works

[limber fox]

Uhhhhhhhhh ||Amiya S3?||

Does Virtuosa counts?

[smoky halo]

just draft feater then

[wicked minnow]

it could work but you need a good run and you dont seem to have a good run

[final pasture]

I mean if you aren't against borrowing Kaltsit can do it at lower diff...

[limber fox]

My lv0 e0 m0 s0 Feater?

[smoky halo]

[south spindle]

It’s kind of static 12K, good if you have nymph

[limber fox]

[smoky halo]

e1 sl7 is enough

[wicked minnow]

oh virtuosa works too prolly

[final pasture]

Virtuosa is good too

[smoky halo]

🥱

virt doesnt work

[limber fox]

LOWER THAN D2?

[smoky halo]

her dmg is too low

[limber fox]

[final pasture]

It's enough for low diff

[south spindle]

How much HP does theresis have

D15

[final pasture]

Virt / Kalt both work at lower diff

[smoky halo]

500k at d15 no boats

1m at d15 with boat

[south spindle]

Normal ending

Jesus

[wicked minnow]

rechord used exclusively valarqvin in his clear

[smoky halo]

1.3m at d15 with boat and alter

[wicked minnow]

why are we doing boats

[smoky halo]

and what is his winrate

[wicked minnow]

only when he streams

[smoky halo]

cos light asked how much hp theresis has

[wicked minnow]

idk ask him

oh uhhh

i see

[limber fox]

Bro i dont even know what is a Boat

[south spindle]

Ye

[smoky halo]

obv i give all the possible hp values

[south spindle]

Those who know

[final pasture]

Anyway Virt surely works, I did D6 or smt with Virt

[smoky halo]

ed4 relic

[south spindle]

Thank you fib

[final pasture]

It takes time but it works

[smoky halo]

ed4 makes all elites and bosses tankier

[limber fox]

Thank u im avoiding all boats i see

[smoky halo]

and do more dmg

incredible technology

[final pasture]

Altho surviving the mobs is also a problem depending on your lineup

[smoky halo]

mobs are so nonexistent

they die to wis s2 relicless

🥱

[wicked minnow]

[south spindle]

They take you to heaven (derogatory)

[final pasture]

I mean in a normal run for ed2

[wicked minnow]

quadratic scaling ahh skill

[smoky halo]

yes they die to wis s2

[limber fox]

Well i have Virtu and nymph maybe i can do smt abt it in a very good run

[smoky halo]

relicless

[final pasture]

Wtf

[smoky halo]

thats how weak the mobs are

[final pasture]

With Virtu + Nymph you will be bursting the boss down in half a cycle

[wicked minnow]

mfw the mobs have 0 def and wis has quadratic scaling physical damage

[south spindle]

You can actually blast the hell out of it all with Nymph S3

I did one cycle phase 2 with full kings

[final pasture]

Just plug both of them down, turn on S3 and the boss evaporates

[smoky halo]

u should try ed2 alter shields

[limber fox]

Nymph S3 with no Virtu? Or with Virtu

[wicked minnow]

maybe i dont want to try ed2 alter

[south spindle]

Yes Virtu else she’s useless

[final pasture]

Nymph S3 + Virt S3

[limber fox]

Alr

[south spindle]

I was supposed to do ED2 alter last night

Didn’t get rolling

High rolled too 🥀

[wicked minnow]

ill do it after quillon and ed1 alter

[smoky halo]

💔 nymph virt wtf

[south spindle]

I don’t wanna build gladiia

[smoky halo]

make sure to draft shu on ed2 alter

[limber fox]

Why is everyone surprised i have both of them 😭

[south spindle]

I don’t have Shu

🥀

[torpid prawn]

A heads up for zt-s-5 normal mode.
Wiaadel only 6star fails miserably cuz it 3 taps the boss 1st phase with max s3 and then the mobs overrun you

[smoky halo]

gladia doesnt even do anything in ed2 alter

theres no shift tile

[final pasture]

Bruh cuz with those 2 you'll have no issue clearing all the way to d12 or smt

[smoky halo]

shu or explode

[wicked minnow]

she barely does anything in the normal ed2

[smoky halo]

unironically

[south spindle]

Oh wtf

😭

🥀

[wicked minnow]

comparable to feater lmao

[smoky halo]

its cos the boats are so ass

[south spindle]

My virtuosa nymph def not seeing two cycles on ED2A

[smoky halo]

like how is this legal

ed2a no boat is bing chilling though

[final pasture]

How so? Even with the relics?

Or without relics

[limber fox]

Now theres is an alternative Theresis fight

[south spindle]

ED2 alter is significantly worse

[limber fox]

[smoky halo]

yes

[south spindle]

They one cycled with full kings

[smoky halo]

but u can choose to decline it

[wicked minnow]

you get to choose to do it for the extra challenge is so fun

[final pasture]

Oh... hold on did that come with expansion 1?

[smoky halo]

yes

[south spindle]

I doubt they will live to see a second cycle in ED2A

[limber fox]

In the burning page or smt node?

[final pasture]

Ah okay I haven't tried, how to reach that alter ending? By chance or?

[smoky halo]

cos if theresis close to theresa she explodes faster

[south spindle]

You get rolling ancestor relic

Random encounter

[smoky halo]

roll the encounter and pay 2 plans

[south spindle]

F4/5

[smoky halo]

to access alter boss

[final pasture]

Hold on is it the node where every enemy gets 30% ATK+ and stuff?

[smoky halo]

+30 aspd movespd and hp

yes

[south spindle]

Yeah

[limber fox]

[final pasture]

Ah okay so that's it

Does it unlock alter for all endings then?

[wicked minnow]

:clueless:

[south spindle]

Only ED1/2

[smoky halo]

only ed1 and ed2

no alter for ed3 and 4

[final pasture]

[wicked minnow]

it also changes the entire stage

[final pasture]

Okay got it

[limber fox]

I thought theresis shadows already one shooted almost everything

[final pasture]

If you stall for long enough yes

[south spindle]

You should see ED1A lol

[final pasture]

Well it does cap out at something but

[smoky halo]

hm ed2a is shu check

[south spindle]

Shit looks cancer

[smoky halo]

ed1a is so bing chilling bruh

[south spindle]

Okay I’ll do 2A in 2 months then

[smoky halo]

just draft ng

[limber fox]

They ALSO get greater damage over time?

[south spindle]

I don’t have NG either 🥀

[smoky halo]

bro...

[south spindle]

Actually gonna selector her

[smoky halo]

💔

[limber fox]

It is cancer

[smoky halo]

ed1a is hard without ng

[south spindle]

I mean I saw payday do it

[smoky halo]

unless u habe wisadel ig

[south spindle]

The newbie beat it with

A little back seating

Wisadel summons eat all the binds

[smoky halo]

yeah wis op

[limber fox]

Me when E1 wisadel:

[smoky halo]

lmao

[limber fox]

[final pasture]

Well it goes up to 500%+

[limber fox]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-reaction-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-honest-reaction-to-that-information-gif-613275461876515673

This explains so much

[final pasture]

But srsly tho just slap down your Virt S3 + Nymph S3

[smoky halo]

500% is max

[final pasture]

Should burst him down in no time

[smoky halo]

read boss mechanics bruh

[final pasture]

Well tbh it's his first encounter no?

[south spindle]

Can probably Virt Nymph without kings on low diff easily

[final pasture]

Ye

It works in D12

[smoky halo]

idk i read boss mechanics before entering stage

[final pasture]

It must work in D2 lmao

[smoky halo]

so i dont waste 2 hr run

to not knowing mechanics

[south spindle]

I don’t for Max’s entertainment

🥹

[final pasture]

Ye same

[smoky halo]

🚬

[final pasture]

Plus it's 1 run out of hundreds

Why scared

[smoky halo]

[south spindle]

Because one run out of hundreds could be the high roll one

🚬

[smoky halo]

its cos i need to learn how to get consistent asap

[final pasture]

True, but will come again kekw

[smoky halo]

even if u know mechanics u wont win

[south spindle]

I need to too 🥀

[smoky halo]

theres stuff that u only notice by experience

[south spindle]

But I’m just baby player 🥹

[limber fox]

Does mechanics show up in the first ever attempt Considering u havent seen the boss yet?

[smoky halo]

no

u can check wiki

in game explanation sucks anyway

[final pasture]

https://tomimi.dev/en/stages/

This is for IS

[smoky halo]

it doesnt show numbers and cooldowns

[final pasture]

Very useful

[smoky halo]

like how am i supposed to calculate shit 🥹

[final pasture]

Calculating

[smoky halo]

its kinda important

esp in some stages

where u play differently if u habe more dmg

like sentinel

[final pasture]

Sentinel

Sentinel is easy

[smoky halo]

??

[final pasture]

I see Sentinel I reset

[smoky halo]

[final pasture]

[smoky halo]

bruh

[final pasture]

Wisadel barely killing a drone within her full cycle? No thanks

[smoky halo]

the drone sticks around for the entire map

u have like 6 mins or smthing to kill it

[lofty stag]

Via encounter

[smoky halo]

the drone is the least annoying part of sentinrl

unless ur arts burst

[final pasture]

Yeah exactly my point

[smoky halo]

[final pasture]

Oh wrong reply

[final pasture]

I mean this

[smoky halo]

ah

[lofty stag]

Oh wait yall are talking about sentinel

[smoky halo]

i wish i had ray so i can try ray core sentinel

[south spindle]

I don’t even remember seeing drones in sentinel SGL runs lmao

[smoky halo]

degen kinda boring

[final pasture]

I mean it's more of a bullshit boss than mechanically hard boss so...

[smoky halo]

theres 5 drones

[wicked minnow]

that question was refering to is5 (the one you answered)

[smoky halo]

2 res 2 def then 50/50 for last

[south spindle]

Ah I see interesting

[smoky halo]

u can just ignore it

only 5

[manic oasis]

Actually is Kalsit enough to not warrant getting a healer

Like if I were in let's say stage 4 with 0 healers and had the option between Eyjalter and Kalsit would her IS module be enough to justify getting her over Eyjalter

[south spindle]

Kaltsit is actually usable medic in if only Mon3tr is being attacked

[final pasture]

If you have her module

[south spindle]

Eyjalter is still above all else in healing

[final pasture]

She works pretty okay?

[manic oasis]

I already got Eyjalter but I gotta keep in mind in IS she can actually do some healing probably

[south spindle]

She can literally heal necrosis it’s pretty strong

[manic oasis]

I'm just worried at my supreme lack of healers rn

Which skill should I be using on Eyjalter for IS actually

[lofty stag]

S1 is fine enough for almost everything

[south spindle]

S3 usually

S1 is enough yeah

[lofty stag]

S3 is only needed for quilon

[south spindle]

Eyjalter S3 is a pretty nice luxury pick for Ed4

[manic oasis]

Hmm alright that's what I've been using one or the other depending on if I want global or not

[final pasture]

Wouldn't say it's luxury though

[south spindle]

It is

10 hope cost for a E2 Medic

At high end

[final pasture]

Right, but getting one shot is also run ruining no?

[south spindle]

Vs Silence and Purestream 6 hope toral

Talking about ED4

It’s about healing lotus mostly

[final pasture]

Yeah but need 2 healers I guess

[south spindle]

Your operators shouldn’t be getting hit

You will need two medics regardless

[final pasture]

Ye

[south spindle]

You can’t block quilon unless you high roll Hoederer

[final pasture]

I find it very RNG to keep my ops alive without Eyja

[south spindle]

And enemies don’t hit ranged only the lotus that you need to heal do

Silence is quite literally fine jsut heal the flowers

Weird that shouldn’t ever be the case

[final pasture]

If the lightning hits + enemy hit + lotus hit then...

Silencer is definitely important

[south spindle]

That’s alot at once the lotus shouldn’t be happening

[final pasture]

But is Purestream enough

[south spindle]

Purestream is actually quite good

[final pasture]

How do you heal the one above the medic?

[south spindle]

Again presuming full kings

Uh depends on what else you have

Tin man gummy emergency heal

[final pasture]

I guess it's the mindset but

Anyone deployed outside of this area is just dead

[manic oasis]

Thoughts? Last one is shield

[full terrace]

Fearless Blade

[manic oasis]

I actually got the -2 weight surprisingly

[final pasture]

What ending? Idk 2nd one sounds good

[manic oasis]

2

[full terrace]

Do you run Wisadel or not

[manic oasis]

I do

[final pasture]

Do you push/pull?

[manic oasis]

No

[full terrace]

Anyone else with DP cost higher than her?

[dark mantle]

Why do you have 7 hp

[final pasture]

Then take 2

[manic oasis]

Rosmontis ties

[full terrace]

Pick Fearless Blade

[final pasture]

Rosmontis will get it iirc

[manic oasis]

I got really unlucky with some maps

[wicked minnow]

you're supposed to have 1

[full terrace]

Doesnt matter, Rosmontis is also very strong

[final pasture]

Lmao 0

[wicked minnow]

shhhh

[dark mantle]

you're supposed to have 1 hp

[manic oasis]

I'ma pick it I wanted to ask just in case but it does sound really good

[final pasture]

Oh well it's okay

Do you have king relic btw?

Not too late, only floor 4

[manic oasis]

Oh yeah for the relic but my ass is really bad I actually got the stun if enemy enters objective instead

I know that's the strat tho to get a huge boost but no life

[final pasture]

Well then you can remove the ops from the support lineup so life goes down by each node

I mean if you don't have kings relic then it doesn't matter

[manic oasis]

I'll try that next run then

[final pasture]

Can beat ed2 without kings for sure

[manic oasis]

It's also d3

[final pasture]

Ye no sweat

[manic oasis]

Not like 15 or whatever

[final pasture]

You beat ed2 before? Know the mechanics?

[manic oasis]

Unfortunately I'm a bad gamer so I could easily fumble this

I haven't beaten it

[final pasture]

Oof

Not sure who you're having rn

[manic oasis]

In my run or all my available OPs?

[final pasture]

Bruteforcing won't work there, either you have to separate the bosses or true dmg

[manic oasis]

I posted Krooster earlier

[final pasture]

The run I mean

[manic oasis]

I kinda got unlucky

[final pasture]

Ugh

Huhm

Do you know the mechanics yet?

[manic oasis]

I should but but I tend to forget it

Let's see he's shwing shwinging until you beat phase 1

There's a blind spot on bottom for W2 or others

[final pasture]

The most important thing is the mechanics that he resists like 90% dmg

[manic oasis]

Phase 2 there's an Aoe and losers on the bottom left that always leak

[final pasture]

If you don't separate him from Theresa

[south spindle]

Ros IS mod?

[manic oasis]

I actually don't know

I got her off support I keep thinking to check and it slips my mind

[south spindle]

You can def bullshit ED2 at low diff

And force Wisadel to clear but still sketch

It’s gonna take time depending on what relics

[manic oasis]

I think it's the wrong mod

[south spindle]

Switch the mod

To IS

Surely they have

[final pasture]

Yeah if you have the rumble relic...

Otherwise idk if it matters kekw

[manic oasis]

I tried switching it doesn't let me

[south spindle]

Yeah they kind of barley got relics so far

Is it not unlocked

Unlucky

You have to go to the squad button

Bottom right

[full terrace]

In the "Branch" tab

[manic oasis]

Done

[full terrace]

Where her Trait displayed

There you go

[manic oasis]

Thanks

Or do I take the encounter

Ok I got the blade and the flinger buff any other reason to reset for Wishes?

I'ma scout Saria

[full terrace]

You reset for Wish nodes for Kings set if you have 1 Life Point

Also 12 relics at F4

[final pasture]

Is okay for d3

[lofty stag]

Not bold enough sadly arf 🥱

How will people understand smh

[manic oasis]

Idk man I've just gotten unlucky I usually go without even leaking at this point

So I save my plans then

[final pasture]

Did you pick the lamp wish?

[manic oasis]

Yea

[final pasture]

Then there's still time

[manic oasis]

I got lamp flinger and blade

[final pasture]

You can remove some ops from the support lineup

[dark mantle]

Ur supposed to be in yellow toil

[final pasture]

So it goes down to yellow

[manic oasis]

I was gonna try it normally then if I can't beat it I'll do another run but banking on kings

[final pasture]

Can start now as well

[full terrace]

Leaking has nothing to do with 1 LP, you engineer your Thoughts inventory (by removing someone etc) and pass through a few nodes under Fractured Mind. -1 LP everytime you do a node

[final pasture]

How many plans do you have?

[final pasture]

Well yeh thought so until I tried the +1 LP after each battle squad

[manic oasis]

3

[final pasture]

Right, so remove your ops from the supporting lineup

So you go down to yellow toil

Ah but

You have 7 rn no way can reduce it in time

Oh well

[manic oasis]

Y'all love your optimal stuff. Yeah but it obviously has results so I'll try it then I'ma a lil too wussy for it. It's a little scary but sure why not

[final pasture]

I mean one way is to go down to Epochal gaps

[manic oasis]

Actually you're right I may not have enough time anyway

[final pasture]

Cuz as you're now it's quite questionable if you can clear...

Ed2 that is

[manic oasis]

Even at D3

[final pasture]

Yeah well it's 90% dmg resistance...

[manic oasis]

True

Damage resist high-key annoying sometimes

[final pasture]

So your 4k is gonna be 400 dmg

So my suggestion is to go down to emergency node

That stage has a bunch of spikes

You leak at the end to hit 1 HP

Then you go to wish node and get king lance

[manic oasis]

What about my Scout

[final pasture]

Go up again to get king crown

No need scout

[manic oasis]

But my Saria is unprompted

[final pasture]

Yes but it won't make or break your run

+50% ASPD and +50%/150% ATK will

[timid nacelle]

not really needed imo

[manic oasis]

Alright then if you guys say so

[timid nacelle]

saria e1 tanks like everything

especially in lower diffs

[final pasture]

Ye good offense = best defense

I suppose then you can try bruteforcing...

But need 3 kings relic

So need 3 more wish nodes, including the ones you see now

[manic oasis]

3??

You can get multiple

[final pasture]

Get multiple what?

[manic oasis]

King relics

[timid nacelle]

he means that encounter

[final pasture]

Yeah I mean you want 3 wish nodes to get 3 king's relic

[timid nacelle]

there's 4 king's relics

how many do u have now @manic oasis

[manic oasis]

Uh

[final pasture]

0

[manic oasis]

I'm cooked

[final pasture]

You're if you're not risking it :kekw

[timid nacelle]

ed2 with this only

[manic oasis]

Well I still have stage 5 at least

But yeah it's grim

[final pasture]

So ye plan is like

• go down to epochal emergency -> clear it and leak until 1 HP
• go to wish nodes and get kings
• get as many wish nodes as possible until you hit 3 kings' relics

I hope it's possible, epochal is a bit tricky but nothing impossible with your squad rn

[timid nacelle]

should be good

[south spindle]

EG will be blast open by Wisadel just care to block properly

[timid nacelle]

unless he has units that use hands

[south spindle]

He’s gonna get rumble

Oh he has rumble

[timid nacelle]

I can't type apparently

[final pasture]

Well he doesn't have many blockers

[manic oasis]

What exactly are "spikes" btw

[final pasture]

So be careful with epochal not to open both lanes

[manic oasis]

Those guys that go through block?

[final pasture]

Spikes = the stuff that does necrosis dmg in 3x3 around it and gives you 1 plan once destroyed

[timid nacelle]

the crystals that r annoyin and act as soft tile ban untill u kill em

[final pasture]

Epochal has a bunch of them

[timid nacelle]

I need to slow type again

ye u get like 5

[south spindle]

Ros IS mod can block in epochal

[manic oasis]

So I beat them get plans and leak into 1 hp ok easy enough

[south spindle]

Just need to care how to place

[final pasture]

Yep

2-3 HP is still ok

If you don't wanna risk it too much

[timid nacelle]

just don't leak too much

[manic oasis]

Where

[final pasture]

Just reduce the toil down to yellow

And you'll hit 1 HP by the time you hit wish node

[south spindle]

There’s a crate that spawns kind of depends where it spawns to make stage easier

[manic oasis]

And I gotta put Ros in range of it ok got ot

[final pasture]

Just dont open both sides

[south spindle]

No

😭

[final pasture]

Will be tougher

[south spindle]

Need to not break the box

[manic oasis]

Ok ok don't break box got it

[final pasture]

Yeah don't break the box

[south spindle]

So only one lane

[timid nacelle]

if u break the box enemies path there

[south spindle]

Wisadel splash can one shot it

[final pasture]

Be careful with your Wisadel S3

[south spindle]

And ros

[final pasture]

It has radius of like 2.5 tiles

[south spindle]

Just go into stage and show where it spawns

[final pasture]

Basically 3 vertical/horizontal tiles

Yeah that's easier for us lmao

[timid nacelle]

if u had a super squad I would tell u it doesn't matter
gg and laptop fuck up epochal gaps so much

[final pasture]

Ye having 1 defender could be tough

[south spindle]

Wisadel and Ros they will be fine

One defender is fine

[south spindle]

You realistically don’t block enemies in this for long

Okay don’t break the top box

[final pasture]

Yeah don't break this

Have your Wis S2 and aim down

[manic oasis]

I didn't realize W costs more then Rosa and W2 that's unfortunate for the blade buff huh

[final pasture]

Oh he's already in

Yeah no matter

Use Ros and not Wis

Otherwise she will blast the top box

[manic oasis]

Facing down where the spikes don't hurt her near blue box

[south spindle]

Tbh this might just be a fuck around and find out moment lmao

[final pasture]

Yeah this is very typical

I also fk around and found out

[south spindle]

It’s hard to explain everything to someone over just text

[timid nacelle]

I am pretty sure unless he puts walter on a melee tile she is gonna destroy the box

[south spindle]

Gotta go learn the stages

[final pasture]

You can leak the first mobs it's ok

[south spindle]

Yeah pretty much

[final pasture]

Yep

[south spindle]

S3 will wreck everything

[final pasture]

No Wis just Ros

[south spindle]

ATP would rather face her left since she will just break it

[timid nacelle]

he has 9 hp

[final pasture]

Well we'll know in minutes

[timid nacelle]

maybe we just let him destroy the enemies

and then leak last 8 ?

[final pasture]

Well

Doubt

Since there're enemies that are cursed

If they are killed near Wis they will kill Wis too

[timid nacelle]

ye and his relics r atrocious

[manic oasis]

I lost I didn't think the sword dudes needed more block

Literally very last enemy

I think the reason I had so little stuff was cause I didn't battle as much and also I got a emergency op when I refreshed

[timid nacelle]

emergency gives more reward

what floor did u get lamp ?

[final pasture]

Oof

Well regrettable but expected... That stage is deceptively tricky

[full terrace]

It's not a big issue, ofcourse not breaking it is ideal but more often than not you'll go into the fight with Fractured Mind, Pledge of Babel, or even Commerce Epoch, and in one of these very specific scenarios you wont have enough DP to deploy Wisadel right away unless you break the boxes to raise the DP limit. So for consistency you can just break the boxes and play 2 lanes like the other day I asked you to, it's safer that way you dont have to adjust.

[manic oasis]

1

I should have broken more boxes earlier too I didn't do that

[full terrace]

You should have. Wisadel can handle top and mid by herself even in d15

Rosmontis and Yato are plenty for bottom

[final pasture]

Yeah well it's one of the earlier tries

It happens

[timid nacelle]

u can quickly get king's relics via lamp abuse

since u got it f1

do a couple of fights only

preferably ones where crystals r present

so u can get plans

to refresh nodes

also if u use wisadel/ros every run it gives u the hand relic that buffs them to oblivion

tho be careful lamp scans all ur units and gives u hands for them if they exist

[manic oasis]

Hmm ok so it scans my guys huh

I think be fine this next run

[final pasture]

Ye the lamp is incredibly OP

It will be better

[timid nacelle]

yeah it's a double edged sword

[manic oasis]

I'll be fine dw

[south spindle]

Ah yeah forgot about the dp issue entirely

I usually break the box when it’s up there

Never thought it too through but was trying to brainstorm for this guy and I inadvertently myself

But won’t work with Wis S3 shenanigans

[full terrace]

Yah the other day I think I asked someone in stream to just deploy Wis and break the box because of this reason

[south spindle]

Maybe the tile below blue wisadels only hope with S3 to not break

Yeah it was me

It was the scuffed ass run

[full terrace]

S3 also works magnificently in that map coz

Her splash breaks spines

[south spindle]

Ye

Mhm

What I usually do but was wondering anyway to not break top

And I think bottom right tile is safe from S3

[full terrace]

I break all boxes and just defend bottom usually yeah

[south spindle]

Arf what’s your cutoff for low diff IS5

[full terrace]

Hmm

D12 I guess?

Thats the most comfortable place to start with the triple borrow in my opinion

D10 is still low diff, its pretty easy

Yah gotta be 12 I think

12-13-14-15

The difficulty spikes

[sterile delta]

idk how it is now but preexpansion i could still pretty consistently and easily doodle rush fremont until d13/14 tbh

other bosses are a different story tho

[timid nacelle]

from mine with ray start I think I spent most of the stuck time in d4
then once I figured that out and got all the stat buffs I blazed till d14

the crystal dr changes a lot of things

but ye d15 is the toughest since it makes hope actually scarce instead of overflow

[sterile delta]

then you play with petal for a couple of hours and then gaslight yourself into thinking hope is abundant again when going for other endings

[timid nacelle]

I am not masochist enough for d15 ed4

I did ed2 and 3 but 2.5m hp is bs even if I can snap it in under 30 secs

[south spindle]

Ye fair enough

[south spindle]

But that’s def with some bit of knowledge and operators

I think sub 12 is literally possible with very undeveloped accounts with just Wisadel borrow

[manic oasis]

This run is somehow worse than the last one

[timid nacelle]

pretty sure some fkn noob cleared d14 with wis borrow and came to brag about in #help a few days ago

[south spindle]

Keep playing you live and learn nothing more to it tbh

Lol yeah pretty much

D15 entire other story

[timid nacelle]

told him to not do it

because is for developed accounts

he said I was hatin

[manic oasis]

That's kinda funny

I honestly wanna reset this run I don't not a single wish fulfilled I'm bout to do the 3rd stage boss

[south spindle]

I mean you let people push their limits

[south spindle]

Play for the sake of playing

That’s how you learn to play IS

[timid nacelle]

I just didn't want him to get wis brain rot

[south spindle]

Keep trying different things on each stage

[timid nacelle]

he got lucky and carried is all that happened

he was 5 days into the game

[south spindle]

Yeah but if they don’t wanna budge no point trying to convince them

🚬

[manic oasis]

So Rosmontis S2 does 0 damage to those spikes

[timid nacelle]

the problem is more headache for us later on when they complain they can't solve a stsge with full e2 squad

[manic oasis]

Is the problem her not being promoted or the skill

[timid nacelle]

ye use s1

[south spindle]

Pre E2 probably

[timid nacelle]

s1 kills

eventually

at e1 I mean

[manic oasis]

I was gonna try it but she went out on a scout

[sterile delta]

do you have flinger hand

[timid nacelle]

tho had u gotten the hand basic attacks do fine

[manic oasis]

Nope

[south spindle]

Idk much about Ros kit other than S2 but E2 and hand matters a lot

[sterile delta]

thats also why

[manic oasis]

I rerolled a node twice and didn't get it

[sterile delta]

is mod gives her significant amounts of arts damage + the massive atk buff from hand

[manic oasis]

Not even 1 wish fulfilled

Oh my God I keep forgetting to swap modules

[timid nacelle]

what no blue print does to an ak player

[south spindle]

They rerolled twice probably blue print

[manic oasis]

I can't win 😭

Bruh

[timid nacelle]

sniper squad

[manic oasis]

Sniper with lamp

[timid nacelle]

dw about that epoch

it happens a lot

[manic oasis]

6 collectables

[timid nacelle]

just move

well yeah u r usin lamp not talon

[manic oasis]

It's hardly happened to me before but I guess I'll just have to deal

[timid nacelle]

epochs occur more oftenly is d1 iirc

u just got lucky in d2

it's better than gettin catastrophe at f1 while tryin to get encounters for talon

[full terrace]

Optimize everything and do a 100 relics run #strategy message 😏

[south spindle]

Tree farming, blue print, talon?

[timid nacelle]

I hit 80 collectibles with it every run so probably max greed and luck

[manic oasis]

I just got some lost memories never had that before

Also no idea how I got 1 life point not like it matters I don't have a single relic

[timid nacelle]

u lose 1 life point every node traveled on yellow burden

[glass monolith]

Forced level up +1 HP

[full terrace]

Lamp with Herr Hraaselsuher at F1 RT, then plenty of Sordid Surveillance and Epochal Gaps

[south spindle]

You get to 1 life by floor 2 then roll wish fulfilled a

[south spindle]

Holy

[full terrace]

Then refresh nodes for Wish Fulfilled and grab all relics

[south spindle]

Squirrel blessed run

[full terrace]

Then rob Cannot

[south spindle]

[timid nacelle]

that's even cheesier than I thought

[timid nacelle]

ok so u have a lot of thoughts use one inspirer u want the effect of
drop the rest by prio of worse to best untill u r fine again

also certain inspirers r fine to let go of

specifically low value ones that don't increase after each floor

[manic oasis]

It's what I did

[timid nacelle]

can also uh

[manic oasis]

It was a ton of stuff all at once

[timid nacelle]

dumb the one the returns next floor even if u use it

tho it's rarity 3 so not ideal

[manic oasis]

I've asked this before and the answer was Ray but Typhon v Ray I pick Ray right

[timid nacelle]

uh

ray is fantastic

imo

[manic oasis]

Typhon has that def lowering quirk

[timid nacelle]

typhon has high range but the manipulation u can do with ray and targetin is op

u can place her anywhere on the map and still hit anywhere

and no high value target can give her trouble

[manic oasis]

Ray it is

[timid nacelle]

she kills all of the animals too

bear duck rat dog moment

[manic oasis]

Also found this personal which craft terminal it seems good

[timid nacelle]

huh

[manic oasis]

35 ASD if inspire used

It's expensive as hell so it must be

[timid nacelle]

uhm I still don't get the sentence

also some inspirers of low rarity could be combined to gain higher rarity one of the effect

2 15+ aspd ones grant u the +35

2 of the 5 ingot drop give u the +15

[manic oasis]

Folks

Guess who just got King Crown Lance Witch Device Sheet music which is kinda 70 ASD and Flinger Atk boost before finishing Floor 4

[timid nacelle]

other light was right

[manic oasis]

With the sheet there and the crown I'm like uber fast now

[timid nacelle]

oh it's literally the name of the relic

ye good

also at some point

rob a shop

and have more than 150 ingots

lamp will give u chalice if u unlocked it and coin operated toy I think

[manic oasis]

Ayo

The 70 ASPD might go crazy here

Who on my squad dodges

[timid nacelle]

only first 10 secs but yeah

who do u have

[manic oasis]

• Podemco and Kalsit

[timid nacelle]

non of them dodge

[manic oasis]

Ez

[timid nacelle]

if u had ethan the dodge relic is good for him

or asca mizuki

[manic oasis]

Call me Sonic the Hedgehog cause my guys are speedy

[timid nacelle]

just wait till u get chalice

[manic oasis]

I could have cause game gave me a couple specialist

[timid nacelle]

things start to melt

[manic oasis]

I'm only on 1 plan so I think I gotta do more battles for more plans

[timid nacelle]

did u get used to which battles give plans and which don't yet

[manic oasis]

Not quite

This one obviously gives one it's on the screen

I miss out on safe house getting this tho

One plan or safe house is tough tho

Alright I got a plan if it works out I can fish for at least 2 more wish fulfilleds

[timid nacelle]

oh ye did u do memory mapping thing for safe house interpretation and sho node yet

[manic oasis]

Never seen this event before 🤔

[manic oasis]

I did for safe house

[timid nacelle]

u get into a random fight after

iirc

should be a battle?

[manic oasis]

That's not bad rn tho I could use extra plans and whatnot

[timid nacelle]

ye it could be em

not sure if talon triggers the em or id the encounter always em

[manic oasis]

Em means emergency if so then yeah it is

[timid nacelle]

u can do it

[manic oasis]

Gracias friend

[timid nacelle]

[south spindle]

huh about what

Ray is 100% better than Typhon just because of the DPH

The defense power of Typhon is neat but kind of still not good enough at least for high diff

I used her in low diff worked fine

[rancid folio]

any strategies for low end Zt-10?

[south spindle]

Logos cheese?

[rancid folio]

what's that?

[south spindle]

Low end as in you don’t wanna use 6* or just looking to clear and are newish

Logos S1 can one shot the boss

Search it up

[timid nacelle]

he continued the run instead of abandonin it and his luck turned around

[rancid folio]

just looking to clear yeah

[south spindle]

Oh lmao

Just keep playing all runs to learn and live with your mistakes

🚬

[manic oasis]

They mean because you said don't give up the run then the game gave me like 5 plans and Flinger artifact and King Crown and Lance back to back

It was the memory lane artifact

[south spindle]

Ah I see I mean

It’s 1 hp lamp

It’s guaranteed to happen in that order

Lol

The only lucky part was the plans

[manic oasis]

But the plans I got helped get that

[south spindle]

Check out Euthy’s pin in #is-station to see the full lamp details btw

[manic oasis]

I am confused

[timid nacelle]

rendin is last in prio ?

damn

[glass monolith]

God dammit watch Silvergun video idk it is as straight forward as possible just go from top to bottom and ask yourself "Yes/No" on meeting condition

[timid nacelle]

sarkaz sacrifice is what sets ur hp to 1 ?

[rancid folio]

i don't have shu, any replacement possible?

[willow sun]

why do you need shu

[timid nacelle]

u don't need shu for that

[south spindle]

You don’t need anyone but logos

To cheese the boss

[rancid folio]

yeah but i need to keep the mobs from storming in don't i?

[south spindle]

Yeah this is true but your other ops also there right

Logos can def hold some mobs too

[rancid folio]

okok

[willow sun]

is this regular, ex, or s?

[south spindle]

You just gotta put device in logos range when it’s aligned with boss and nothing between because only the first shot will cheese

[south spindle]

regular ZT-10

[willow sun]

yeah logos can prob just solo and just protect him from being yoinked

[south spindle]

So can you undono wall me 🥀

[willow sun]

whar

[timid nacelle]

?

[south spindle]

Dms 🥀

[willow sun]

wb it

[south spindle]

IG

[brisk surge]

🚬

[willow sun]

wb it 😭

oh shit i didn’t get notifs

[still vessel]

🥀

[brisk surge]

Mr streamer

[south spindle]

[manic oasis]

So what guard should I get?

Or I guess I can get a Vanguard like Ines or Suzumom

It's pretty late to get anyone so it'll probably not matter but still

[timid nacelle]

ines is really good in is5

if u gonna draft guards uh

[manic oasis]

Yeah but no time to promote

[timid nacelle]

People usually draft mlynar

[manic oasis]

Don't got em

[timid nacelle]

I go for zuo lee/SA since I don't like mlynar usage

[manic oasis]

I can promote Vigna I guess was hoping for defender or sniper tbh

[timid nacelle]

[still vessel]

Mr. Streamer, i got my krooster up who do I invest in next again?

totter, shamare?

e2 ethan who else

[manic oasis]

Ok I'm at the end I managed to get Ines promoted after all

I'ma leave clearing it for later cause I can't concentrate atm lotta noise around me but we can craft a solution

[south spindle]

Link

[brisk surge]

Go home

[still vessel]

whats link

[dapper hedge]

Post your krooster.

[still vessel]

oh

ok

[brisk surge]

Sends an image of krooster

[still vessel]

https://krooster.com/u/calm-bronze-dingo-567j

[still vessel]

ive learned bruh.

[still vessel]

here

[south spindle]

Meeting with theacc

Later

[full terrace]

ZT-10 Low-End Clear

[brisk surge]

Max quartz to tank Fremont 🤫

[still vessel]

she can do that?

[brisk surge]

Ye

[still vessel]

even on d15?

[limber fox]

hey maxxiel

[brisk surge]

Granted that your healers aren't completely dog shit

[limber fox]

[brisk surge]

Whar

[still vessel]

well e1 max silence and imma get purestream up so

[limber fox]

almost made it to d12 just now

[brisk surge]

Congrats

[still vessel]

who else

[limber fox]

i accidentally exploded wisadel

til this moment i dont know how

[brisk surge]

Wis abusing in is3

Insane

[rancid folio]

welp, can't do it, tried also the version with Młynar but there is always something that goes wrong

[south spindle]

Max E1 Ansel Click Purestream

[limber fox]

i was in a challenge room with the Hammer (+5dp on everything) + i had no vanguards draft the entire run

so yeah

[south spindle]

@still vessel

[limber fox]

losing instantly all my dp kinda fucked it up

[still vessel]

ok

[south spindle]

Remember the very first projectile shot in logos range is the one shot

Make sure you retreat after one shot because the rest do normal damage

[rancid folio]

yeah i know that in theory, but when i try to do it ingame, it all goes to shit because i can't manage 2 things at the same time, it's just a skill issue on my part

[still vessel]

thats it? ok should be doable

[full terrace]

Here #strategy message

Bring 12 more units to help if necessary

[lofty stag]

What if you don’t have 12 more units

[south spindle]

Amiya Medic E2 would be very nice ngl!

[timid nacelle]

don't play the game

[brisk surge]

With mod 🤫

[still vessel]

no amiya medic....

[timid nacelle]

play at 1x Speed

[south spindle]

Speed run ch9-14 on story mode duh

No sanity

Can be done eyes closed in 3-4 hours

[still vessel]

yep lol maybe during downtime

[rancid folio]

of course wis is able to solo it because why the fuck not hahahaha

[timid nacelle]

is it even a surprise at this point

broken unit doin broken unit things

[full terrace]

And here is EX-8 #strategy message
Just do the first time clear and grab the free OPs

Bring 12 more units if necessary

Whatever helps you clear the stage

[brisk surge]

even mag s3 solos this stage 🥱

[timid nacelle]

mag in 2025

[south spindle]

Mag used in CCB3

[timid nacelle]

it's cc obv mag is gonna be used

didn't think someone still simps that penguin till today

[brisk surge]

you can borrow my mag for 7 op ccb3

[timid nacelle]

even I got my exu simpin in check(cope)

[south spindle]

🥹 pot6?

[brisk surge]

in like

5 more years maybe

[south spindle]

Aight

[timid nacelle]

just use texas pot sim

[south spindle]

I’ll set the timer

[brisk surge]

i could pull for her rn 🤫

[south spindle]

not until I’m watching

🤫

[lofty stag]

That’s crazy. I cast offrate Chen

[timid nacelle]

just buy mag from Kernel shop 5 times

[brisk surge]

bro mag pot doesnt even do shit

[south spindle]

❌

Mental gap

No pots

[timid nacelle]

just to be clear usin mag is enough mental gap already

[south spindle]

Do guys what should I do to theacc

[brisk surge]

im taking my supports off during cc

realmad

[brisk surge]

rub his thighs

[south spindle]

Yeah there’s a small child in China that can do any stage in the game solo mag and I can’t

[lofty stag]

Max could be this small child

[timid nacelle]

I got my every lowstep record taken by some 14 y/o kid

feels bad man

[lofty stag]

We’re allowed to call 14 y/o people kids

[timid nacelle]

aren't they kids

[rancid folio]

thank you

i made it

[full terrace]

You are welcome

[lofty stag]

Thought calling em kids would be derogatory yknow

[rancid folio]

question, when does wis come back lol?

[full terrace]

Never

[timid nacelle]

no it's just reality

[full terrace]

You can spark her during Lemuen banner

[lofty stag]

Ik

[rancid folio]

when is that?

[timid nacelle]

could be sparked after 300 pulls in a banner comin in aprox 6 months

[rancid folio]

tell me it's in a long time please

[full terrace]

6 months from now, roughly

[lofty stag]

It is indeed a long time

Tho

[timid nacelle]

sparkin should never be something u aim for

[lofty stag]

Mon3tr banner stands in the way

[timid nacelle]

use everything else u got

[south spindle]

anti speaking propaganda in bio

[brisk surge]

im not from china

[rancid folio]

how is mon3tr compared to kal?

[full terrace]

Max sounds like he is from africa

[brisk surge]

man

[lofty stag]

For sure better heals

[full terrace]

Are you well fed Max boy?

[lofty stag]

MAX BOY

[timid nacelle]

honestly I thought for a while usin SA surtr corrupted my brain and caused me skill issue
untill I saw wis
with SA surtr I had to time skills at least

[brisk surge]

maybe i need to shoot arf

[full terrace]

😂

[south spindle]

Max is a big child from Africa

This is true

[full terrace]

See

[lofty stag]

This is true

[brisk surge]

its fine

[rancid folio]

okay, for a new player, in 6 month, hypothetically, can i get enough to spark wis in 6 monts?

[brisk surge]

better that than to be french like rb

[full terrace]

You will get enough yes

[south spindle]

You can but don’t bother unless you’re gooning for her and not because broken

[full terrace]

Just clear contents

[lofty stag]

I am not and will never be French 🥱

[brisk surge]

thats what a french would say

[lofty stag]

Damn u right, French people hate themselves methinks

[timid nacelle]

considering the amount of op u can get from side stories and events yes easily

every 10 op is 3 pulls

1000 op = 300

u can get that from story+cm clearin + side story/intermezzi clearin

this is not counting any other source

[rancid folio]

i mean, i kinda like her from the few moment's i've seen her in main story right now

[timid nacelle]

exu banner itself gives u about 50 pulls too

[rancid folio]

will have to do her intermezzi to be sure though

[south spindle]

You down with episode 13-14?

[rancid folio]

5-8 lol

[brisk surge]

walter sparker number 596420 🥱