strategy

[smoky halo]

oh bruh

[timid nacelle]

oh

[smoky halo]

so its e1 degen then

[limber fox]

Yeah ofc

[timid nacelle]

hmmm

[full terrace]

Degen start Reed start, what a talk in a post-Wisadel era

[smoky halo]

u just leak if its emer

[timid nacelle]

but degen start was pretty good in is-4 even post expansion

hmmm

weird

[smoky halo]

if its normal u can clear

dont spam s2

[timid nacelle]

ye probably eternal huntin doesn't work with degen

not that it stopped me

[limber fox]

Well idfk why but everything goes wrong in Is4
I did 3 runs, could barely reach the last floor in fucking d0 bcz i never actually won a single time in is4
Meanwhile i can just blindly get to last boss in Is3 d10

[smoky halo]

degen is the best EH opener imo

[dark mantle]

Nope

Exu alt is

‼️

[smoky halo]

exu alt isnt here yet

[timid nacelle]

I mean is-4 takes a while to learn

[wicked minnow]

where update

[smoky halo]

sounds like u just lack experience with the maps

is3 enemies have less stats

so u can stat check them more easily

[timid nacelle]

pathin is tougher and maps actually require more thought

[pearl breach]

Jess start is more stable for newbie. No timing, block 3+3, e1 is enough to carry you until f3. Thoughts?

[smoky halo]

just memorize degen cycles

[wicked minnow]

the non original light is rolling is4 first try. he's almost doing too well

[limber fox]

Yeah, its so hard to not get something to leak every now and then

[smoky halo]

jess when payback

(u eat shit)

[full terrace]

Call him the Fremont Leaker

[timid nacelle]

try reedic then

reed popukar orchid

[limber fox]

Orchid? Zamn

[timid nacelle]

I mean

[smoky halo]

reed beats nmt4 normal leakless

[timid nacelle]

only because u get medic with sup guard

[smoky halo]

but the placment is unintuitive

its like reed facing down
bobcar in bluebox

its like the ela beasts cycle

unintuitive asf

[timid nacelle]

also just try and avoid nmt4 if u can
shit stage in general
and fights in f1 in is-4 aren't worth it imo

u don't have as much access to device like u have to is-5 plans

[pearl breach]

I think I can utilize the device hp + healer to tank the artillery. Might lose 1 hp or 2.

[limber fox]

Like
Why do all stages in Is4 feels like some kind of overlyprecised deployment check in which u need to know every single detail in advance

[timid nacelle]

it's not that bad

especially at e0

u r just not used to it yet

[south spindle]

Got ED4 on my 4th ever IS4 run 🥹

[timid nacelle]

by run 10 u will go up to d10

[south spindle]

So rq how do you know if alt ending on high diff IS4? Is it literally random

[timid nacelle]

ed-4

[limber fox]

Ik it sounds like im a crybaby but its just that frustrating for me

[full terrace]

Ramdom yes

[south spindle]

It was only D1 since literally 4th run ever
semi blind but I watched SGL

[limber fox]

I did three runs
My first two i have 4 fucking medics

[timid nacelle]

alters r available after d12 only at 33% chance

[full terrace]

Ending 1 is usually Lofty Silverfrost, if you see Ice-Cold Image thats an alter ending

[south spindle]

Like its not because of some relic?

[full terrace]

Ending 3 is Gardener, alter ending is Sentinel

[timid nacelle]

no random chance

[south spindle]

rng bs?

🥀

[limber fox]

The only run i got to last floor, i had 1 Degen and 1 Cantabile to block all enemies

[timid nacelle]

33%

can't trigger alters on ur own no

[south spindle]

man thats kind of sad

[smoky halo]

that's the nature of a roguelike

[timid nacelle]

only at d12 too

[smoky halo]

its obviously hard if u dont know the maps

[south spindle]

ye i know its D12

[timid nacelle]

d12+

[south spindle]

but i was like why tf does the wiki not tell me

how surely its not random

🥀

[timid nacelle]

uh

idk

oh u r lowercase now

k i am changin back

[smoky halo]

35% chance

[south spindle]

ah 35%

[smoky halo]

so i alt f4 65% of the timr

💔

[south spindle]

🥀

[timid nacelle]

it's fine winning every run isn't a standard anyway

unless u like tryhardin

[south spindle]

Fib I want to be dalao but Ela less

🥀

[smoky halo]

u can play guard vg

[timid nacelle]

I only clear d15 a bunch of times then I go back to d10 for max score

[limber fox]

No, i hate tryharding, i am just annoyed how D0 in Is4 feels two times worst than D10 in Is3

[smoky halo]

degen mly zuo
ines flag
yato heidi ng suzu shu

[full terrace]

I have achieved my personal goal: leakless Sentinel, IS4 is dead to me 😏

[south spindle]

Kind of meh

Shu in 2 months

Trust

[timid nacelle]

also is in general has stat buffs u can only get after playin more than a few times

[smoky halo]

maybe ur just not using index properly

[south spindle]

Zuo idk

[limber fox]

Tell me how do u trigger sentinel so i will be sure i will never do it

[timid nacelle]

is-4 relies a lot on those

[smoky halo]

zuo is rly good

he claps ice cold left side relicless

while tanking boss

[south spindle]

Hows Ulpeen

[smoky halo]

he can pivot to right side sentinel

[timid nacelle]

each endin needed a node iirc

[smoky halo]

shattered champion/10

[south spindle]

(idgi, i know the bastards hurt on high diff)

[limber fox]

I evolved 45 battlepass Levels exclusively on losses with -40% rewards since its D0

[smoky halo]

wat do when the enemy hits for 1.5k with high aspd

[south spindle]

🥹

oh ulpi not good enough for them either?

[timid nacelle]

didn't u do like 4 runs

[south spindle]

damn

[dark mantle]

Bro never played is4
Kinda slop

[smoky halo]

ulpi bad in is4

[dark mantle]

Ulpian is ass unless initial sp

[timid nacelle]

how r u at lv40 already

[south spindle]

i am just* getting to is4 🥹

[timid nacelle]

[limber fox]

No
4 runs only today

[dark mantle]

And this isnt is5 where u get 53636 relics

so thats like 1/1000

[limber fox]

Ive failed alot already

[timid nacelle]

k switch to reedic

[smoky halo]

zuo can handle left side ice cold right side sentinel (need help or cc relic) then left side either sands or eternity

[timid nacelle]

I am above recommendin wis

[smoky halo]

zuo is rly strong

[timid nacelle]

[south spindle]

i was gonna start is4 when reedic but

reedic no come

🥀

so i started anyways

[timid nacelle]

U could borrow mine

[smoky halo]

reed isnt a top pick anymore

[timid nacelle]

no mod tho

[south spindle]

eh not gonna start reedic

[smoky halo]

she sucks against the alter bosses

[south spindle]

her usecase is the drones and stuff but what else

[timid nacelle]

it's not like he's at d12 yet

[south spindle]

ik sandwich is strong but

if not bosses then what, shattered champions?

[full terrace]

Clearing obstacle in Ending 1 if you highroll damage relics

[smoky halo]

collapsal afternoon is degen food

[limber fox]

What

[smoky halo]

the f5 drone map is mlynar

[timid nacelle]

she kills about everything in lower diffs anyway

[south spindle]

Is this lag inducing

[timid nacelle]

uh yes

very

[south spindle]

i've only encountered prob half the maps so far

[timid nacelle]

they implode faster than they should

[south spindle]

actually 1/3 of F4-5

[smoky halo]

f5 maps are ass to sightread

[timid nacelle]

causin frame drops

[smoky halo]

but its not that bad once u know the spawns

[south spindle]

i am blind is4 for max's entertainment

[timid nacelle]

honestly I avoid f5 fights most of the time

[smoky halo]

its 3 ops max for all f5

[south spindle]

i do better the more people bet againstm e

🥹

[timid nacelle]

harder than boss stages

[limber fox]

Im confused if those r tips towards me or

Just talking

[smoky halo]

i wouldnt skip f5 combat

well depends ig

i skip f5 combat if im strong enough and just wanna finish the run

[full terrace]

Mechanic-wise IS4 is easier than IS5, the only reason why IS4 seems harder than it looks is because IS5 gives 58293727 relics while IS4 doesnt

[timid nacelle]

i skip ems because they r ass to do honestly

[full terrace]

Thats why highroll Migrate and win

[timid nacelle]

but if it's needed I would do it

[limber fox]

What
Isnt it super easy to just finish Fremont in Is5

[smoky halo]

it is

[strange hazel]

IS4 seems easier because Walter kills everything except maybe a few ems right? Aside from end3/4 and ICI

[south spindle]

I gt Defense Sub Offense first time and Max was scaring the shit out of me

[smoky halo]

walter is good in ice cold

[timid nacelle]

yeah because of talons/lamp

[smoky halo]

walter is good everywhere

[south spindle]

without ED4 relic Fremont is literally free
Wisadel solos a new account through D12

[smoky halo]

ed4 u can use summons to tank with skalter s1 + ng

[dark mantle]

she just doesnt kill cresson

but heavily contributes to the cleanup

[strange hazel]

all I remember is I experimented with walter and 4* and got to ICI first try with few relics and zero close calls

[smoky halo]

ya ed3 has ass ground pressure that walter claps

[south spindle]

Wis S2 for sentinel?

[smoky halo]

s3 for mobs

[dark mantle]

S3

[south spindle]

ah

[smoky halo]

sentinel is degen or highroll

[dark mantle]

s2 with flinger hand

[south spindle]

5 second S3 is sketch

[full terrace]

Wis cant kill Cresson in Sentinel if thats what you mean

[smoky halo]

u take the cookie cutter comp or u lose if u domt highroll

[full terrace]

You need a compressed burst

So Degen

[south spindle]

i was wondering if it was relavent

ye ye i know that part form SGL

[full terrace]

She is relevant for the cleanups yeah

[south spindle]

was wondering how new ops fair

[timid nacelle]

as always they trash it

[smoky halo]

apparently exualt can cosplay degen

for sentinel

[south spindle]

Lemuen can also to a degree i presume?

[timid nacelle]

my girl finally gettin recognition

[smoky halo]

lem does nothing for cresson

the windup is too slow

[full terrace]

Thats literally the first thing I said in #is-station when Exu alt was released

[south spindle]

not all bullets on s3 on setinel but more damage than degen no?

[full terrace]

Did someone make a video for this yet?

[dark mantle]

she gets like

[limber fox]

Uhh is sentinel the hardest boss of this game or smt

[dark mantle]

4 shots in

but doesnt have enough dmg

[smoky halo]

the issue with exualt is if u hit res drone

[strange hazel]

think so(?)

[south spindle]

Yeah 5 shots sounds about right

[smoky halo]

yes imo

[strange hazel]

never did it because 4* is rng check

but judging by relicless records

[south spindle]

wait 5 shots is too idealistic

[timid nacelle]

I found the twin boss map harder

[south spindle]

can you not instant lemu s3 sentinel

[smoky halo]

no

[full terrace]

Probably cant

[smoky halo]

u can use stainless turret to set it up

but uh

[south spindle]

i mean including the skill itself charge

[smoky halo]

bruh

[dark mantle]

if u judge by relicless record then amiyi/qui'lon are way harder

clueless

[full terrace]

Sentinel opens Cresson for 5 secs only

[south spindle]

does she need to do her stupid talent lock in

[full terrace]

You need Degen

[smoky halo]

yes

[limber fox]

What is the special thing to trigger Sentinel?

[dark mantle]

35% chance

[timid nacelle]

+20% stats per floor moment

[smoky halo]

take ed3
play d12+
hit the 35% chance

[south spindle]

ye lemu charge = 3.5s
5 bullets: 1.5s
2 bullets wasted

[strange hazel]

ok maybe my logic of judging difficulty by relicless to approximate runs with relics is scuffed lol

[timid nacelle]

in is-4 it was +15% per floor right

[smoky halo]

+16

[dark mantle]

more of a problem with base stats and stage design
is3 d18 is 30% hp scaling, but still doable

[south spindle]

does ending lemu skill early use all bullets immediately?

[smoky halo]

no

[south spindle]

wtf

🥀

[smoky halo]

the problem with is5 is theres little variance

[south spindle]

like the bullets she "consumed" already

[timid nacelle]

can't she keep targetin his ass anyway

[smoky halo]

no the boss is invul

except for 5s

[south spindle]

I mean in that 5s

[smoky halo]

thats why its a massive degen shill

[timid nacelle]

u know I usually don't like not clearin highest diffs just to prove I can do it
this one I am skippin lmao

[south spindle]

she has time to charge s3 (total 3.5s for 7 bullets) and then shoot out (1.5s for 5)

idealistic but still should be more damage than degen no?

[smoky halo]

idts

[limber fox]

oh
so i can pretty much never ever fight him, good

[full terrace]

Degen and a bard will make your life so much easier

And bring Ela for the Mines

[timid nacelle]

what was the node fir ed-4 again

[smoky halo]

bard is mandatoey anyway

[south spindle]

How much damage is degen? 37k base?

[smoky halo]

37k potless

40k pot6

u have to consider ur drafting bard too

and bard helps degen way more than lem

[south spindle]

Ye I understand but so will lemu

no?

[smoky halo]

yes shes all atksvale

[full terrace]

Lemu atk scale or atk up?

Ah

[south spindle]

exactly

now heres the thing

[smoky halo]

but her base atk is higher

[south spindle]

Lemue S3 total is like 60K damage

[limber fox]

anyone has a vid of someone losing to Sentinel?

[smoky halo]

is this with talent?

she doesnt get the mark off

[south spindle]

then

[dark mantle]

@smoky halo

[south spindle]

you take off 2 bullets or so

[timid nacelle]

poor fib

[south spindle]

so she fires 5/7 so like 42K?

[limber fox]

@smoky halo

[south spindle]

oh thats what i am wondering

[timid nacelle]

won't hit in time I think

[smoky halo]

https://www.youtube.com/live/IYtkbUOlQRk?si=Sy_n4pNyykOQ2INf&t=21607

[south spindle]

is the talent screwing over lemu

[smoky halo]

🚬

[scarlet mortar]

oh hey that player sounds familiar

[smoky halo]

bro wants to see goober stage

[south spindle]

Invuln enemies do not get marked as wanted?

[smoky halo]

no

[south spindle]

🥀

Wtf

Never fucking mind thats cancer

[timid nacelle]

invul cheats everything as it should be

I usually 1 cycle him with a buffed to hell exu and no not at d15

[scarlet mortar]

except shu but yk

[timid nacelle]

d12 tho

[smoky halo]

ya shu tp the orb while invul

thats the core strat

[full terrace]

Oh and dont forget to bring Nightingale when doing Sentinel, and pick lotsa HP relics

Unless you wanna get 1 tap by Cresson

[smoky halo]

+50% is fine

[south spindle]

right im NG-less

🥀

[smoky halo]

u habe ng

well just cert her

[south spindle]

yeah i think i will

[timid nacelle]

lakebed aegis is ur friend

[smoky halo]

i certed like a lot of goober kernal ops now

🥹

new player

wcyd

[timid nacelle]

could have just lended u my acc

[pearl breach]

Bet it is maggie

[timid nacelle]

wait I couldn't it was dead

[dark mantle]

ng just needs 50% hp

[smoky halo]

i think ill cert mag soon

[dark mantle]

otherwise u need res pot

[smoky halo]

i wanna git gud at glory to humanity

[timid nacelle]

lakebed aegis

[smoky halo]

potgate all the way

incredible

p2w game

[timid nacelle]

don't chase those things

i lost my mind doin lowstep records

to get outdone by cn 1 update later because horn

then some whale with full sui just blasted every clear out of the window

[smoky halo]

p2w fr

[timid nacelle]

I almost cried durin r8-11

[scarlet mortar]

lowstep being the most p2w niche will never not be funny to me

[timid nacelle]

I mean afk killin maps

can actually be complicated

like that h12-4 clear u showed us

[south spindle]

Hows mizuki and archetto doing after 3 weeks(?)?

[timid nacelle]

archetto jack shit

[smoky halo]

mizuki is really strong

[timid nacelle]

mizuki good

[south spindle]

ascalon 🥀

[timid nacelle]

ascalon still better out of is

[south spindle]

well yea

[smoky halo]

exu mizuki ange 3 op emer instinct relicless

[timid nacelle]

probably in is too

[smoky halo]

:pepega:

[pearl breach]

The cursed of marksman.

[south spindle]

🥀

marksmen hand is6

[timid nacelle]

just get king's relics I am sure she will do damage

eventually

[south spindle]

makes every bullet x2 base Atk and x4 hits per hit

[smoky halo]

chetto issue is theres barely any good offensive recovery units

[scarlet mortar]

mzk should've gotten that IS mod as a Dmod frfr

[south spindle]

Exu s3 20 attacks per hit

[dark mantle]

nope

[south spindle]

[dark mantle]

degen s2 gravestone relicless

🧑‍💻

[timid nacelle]

if we get original exu mod

[cyan gorge]

I still find Chetto useful cause of her sp talent with mod 3

[smoky halo]

if mizuki modA was available outside IS it would be too strong no?

[timid nacelle]

I am shillin the fuck outta of it

[south spindle]

Original?

[smoky halo]

u can just permastall anything weight 4 or lower

[dark mantle]

his mod would destroy gen content so hard

[smoky halo]

🥹

[south spindle]

oh like

IS mod for

exu1

[timid nacelle]

ye

[dark mantle]

10 weight boss + shift immune on everyone

yep

[south spindle]

I mean a flat out hand for marksmen

🥹

[scarlet mortar]

literally nymph:

[timid nacelle]

I am already considering ange is mod

[south spindle]

maybe make hit multiple targets on each attack

[smoky halo]

nymph needs sp

[south spindle]

would work nice for a hit count IS

[scarlet mortar]

🚬

[smoky halo]

or other help

[timid nacelle]

just 50% def ignore hand

marksmen r good now

[south spindle]

• attacks hit +3 targets

[scarlet mortar]

actually why weight 4

[smoky halo]

he has force 3

[south spindle]

50% def ignore isn't even enough now a days

🚬

[scarlet mortar]

oh thought it was force 2

[timid nacelle]

let me cope with sniper buff

[smoky halo]

nah its force 3

kinda broken

[scarlet mortar]

eh just reduce it by 1 force

[smoky halo]

🥹

[scarlet mortar]

[south spindle]

nah, dont settle buff em harder 🥹

[full terrace]

Force 3, thats "Greatly" modifier like Weedy's push

How is that not broken

[smoky halo]

he also has +50aspd

for existing

pretty funny

[scarlet mortar]

would be cool if it's just force 2 though

[timid nacelle]

uh imma charge phone and sleep

[smoky halo]

and max hp regen

[full terrace]

He does it every single attack too

[timid nacelle]

gn

[full terrace]

😒

[south spindle]

whats meta for R*clamation Alg

my greed seeks more resources

[scarlet mortar]

weedy S2 in 2025

:YA:

[full terrace]

Weedy S2 Sentinel I believe you 😂

[south spindle]

TRUE DAMAGE

how broken

[smoky halo]

weedy s2 needs sing or mosti

for sentinel

💔

[south spindle]

it would be funny if cress tp counted for weedy true damage distance

wait

does it?

[smoky halo]

idts

idk

[south spindle]

ah 🥀

[scarlet mortar]

tp doesn't count

[smoky halo]

why would u s3 weedy

when s2 is the better skill

for sentinel

[south spindle]

also what weedy mod

[smoky halo]

modX

all weedy IS usage is modX

[astral cosmos]

im procrastinating 🥹
I wasn't available today bc I went paragliding, but I will probably do some work tmr

[lofty stag]

Can’t believe rechord died from a paragliding incident today rip

[full terrace]

🫤

[limber fox]

damn, u played well
im not what happened thruought the gameplay but hell it looks like u missed some ranged 6*s there

i'm flabbergasted at the toughness of those shadowblades, holy sh

[fast kernel]

Who's better generally? Horn or narantuya

[dapper hedge]

Nara imo

[full terrace]

Whats the comparison for? They both do different thing

[fast kernel]

Les goo I got her

[fast kernel]

I mean like generally

Which sees more use

For their respective categories

[full terrace]

I would take Naran mainly coz she can hit air and she handles air pressure quite well

[fast kernel]

She's worth e1?

[full terrace]

But Horn is more useful when there is a bunch of invisible enemies

[fast kernel]

For beginner

[full terrace]

She is okay at E1 yes

[fast kernel]

Ok

[full terrace]

Just stick to her S1

[fast kernel]

So her s2 s3 are useless lol

[full terrace]

Not exactly

Its uh

How to say this

[fast kernel]

Niche?

[full terrace]

Her S2 and S3 are her burst skills, but in the context of burst, there are 847285 options better than her

Like for example, Wisadel

Typhon

Ray but single target

Chelter

So you really arent using her for burst most of the time

But if you got no one better then its okay to build her S2 S3

[fast kernel]

Ok

[fast kernel]

i mean my current best sniper is like kroos so ig her s2 s3 maybe

[bold lance]

S3 is quite potent. What it does is not similar to Ray or Typhon. S2 is for long range and it's not great.

[fast kernel]

is lumen still obtainabke?

[bold lance]

Yes. From restoration record.

[full terrace]

I'd build Susurro and Perfumer over Lumen

[fast kernel]

but i dont have either 💀

[full terrace]

Just keep pulling they are easy to get

Also dont neglect your Recruitment

[fast kernel]

ok

also si kroos altar good?

[full terrace]

She is okay

[fast kernel]

worth getting?

[full terrace]

Yes

For a newbie especially

[fast kernel]

ok

[neat mantle]

help me clear WD-EX8

this stage is driving me insane idk who to borrow bruh

and i dont know the correct placements so that my other units dont die because of the fart cloud

[south dove]

Strategy for ZT-10, 2nd phase is just wild

[timid nacelle]

unironically guard chen s3

[neat mantle]

i managed to kill him once with laptop but i cant replicate it bruh and also that run failed cause red harpoon guys finished the jobs

[south dove]

If the 2nd phase is the last one hopefully

[narrow pendant]

Borrow logos and instakill🥹

[timid nacelle]

just logos s1 his ass

[narrow pendant]

Mfw they left a funni interaction

[timid nacelle]

it's good tbh

technically not a bug

[narrow pendant]

I mean

Its funny but technicaly its whateber

Boss is pretty easy

[timid nacelle]

now that I think about
get degen s3
we already have chen powercrept

[neat mantle]

does degen instakill both his phases?

[timid nacelle]

no she kills in 1 skill each

can't 1 tap invincible shit

[narrow pendant]

Eb is that weak?

[timid nacelle]

he is a push over

[neat mantle]

i worded it wrong lol this is what i meant

[narrow pendant]

Damn
To think he was such a beast of a boss

[timid nacelle]

the old wd-8 lowstep clear used exu to kill both phases

[neat mantle]

crownslayer solos smh

[timid nacelle]

he wasn't a beast

he countered surtr

supposedly

but u could still use surtr and kick his ass

[narrow pendant]

He has forced retreat so

[timid nacelle]

when I did the 5 step I was laughing all the way

[neat mantle]

the fart cloud would've been nice for ulpi if he doesnt instakill when an operator is in the cloud

[timid nacelle]

exu melts him even through the aspd debuff

[neat mantle]

ill try degen

[timid nacelle]

degen can't be targeted durin s3

even chen s3 does it

degen will clown him

[neat mantle]

the problem now is laneholding cause those red big dudes at the end are scary lol

[timid nacelle]

exec s3 for 1 side

ulpi for the other

seems pretty straight forward

[neat mantle]

and the middle?

[timid nacelle]

r they not m3 ?

everything else ?

saria lapp alter should do it

the old guard 3 op was SA thorns chen

[neat mantle]

ulpi is m6 and yeah fedex has m3

[timid nacelle]

u have better tools

just degen the boss

confident exec murders the harpoon

[neat mantle]

i just realized i have the money to e2 saria now

[timid nacelle]

just make sure to have SA s3 ready in case u fuck up

[neat mantle]

where do i place him tho? as close as possible to the red box?

[timid nacelle]

to the blue box

he is an emergency

save

degen should still be alive too

ye u got this

[neat mantle]

does this work for both normal and CM?

[timid nacelle]

should be

[neat mantle]

also where doe fedex face right or up

[timid nacelle]

don't recall cm condition

right

u need to damage them before they r too close

get a gravel instead of gladiia

to soak damage for ur ops

[neat mantle]

ulpi skill?

[timid nacelle]

ulpi s3 should easily murder 2 harpoons

[neat mantle]

what abt the drone can reedic solo it? her s3 is m3

[timid nacelle]

SA it

reedic works too

I think it was the elite drone still don't recall

but both should work regardless just be mindful when positionin

[viral edge]

Is the only abyssal hunter I need for ulpianus gladiia? And do they need to be deployed at the same time

[timid nacelle]

ulpi doesn't need gladiia

he can function fine without her

[viral edge]

But what does she give him

Cuz I’m considering building her for him

[timid nacelle]

damage reduction and a bit of healin iirc

[viral edge]

Ty

[timid nacelle]

nothin to write home sbout considering u r e2in a whole ass unit and moddin them for that small benefit

np

[brisk surge]

the wiki is right there

[viral edge]

Ah I need to get her to 60

I don’t even just need to e2 her

Crazy

[timid nacelle]

ye rather just a bring a normal medic

[viral edge]

Yea

[timid nacelle]

u also need to use 12 mod blocks

those ain't cheap

[neat mantle]

thank you so much degenbrecher did it

[timid nacelle]

np

[neat mantle]

now for cm

[timid nacelle]

I don't recall what the condition is

degen borrow should still win imo

[neat mantle]

7 tiles gone lol

[timid nacelle]

did u use any of em

u can find the cm on yt to confirm

[neat mantle]

yes but ig i have to redo the strat

[timid nacelle]

why r u doin that and not event again

farm oriron we won't get another oriron event in 6 months

[neat mantle]

oh damn

[timid nacelle]

ye finish the cm since it's last stage then leave it for later

[neat mantle]

how tf does the targeting work for that fart cloud bruh

[glass monolith]

Most damage to EB -> Usual last deployed/Taunt -> Himself -> If all conditions fails (already inside farts) holds fart until he can fart

[neat mantle]

so thats why

damn

[timid nacelle]

a good idea since u r usin degen is to place gravel last somewhere where it doesn't affect u when u start degen s3

[neat mantle]

finally did it

[timid nacelle]

gz

[neat mantle]

i e2 saria just to not use her

[timid nacelle]

now hit zt-7

saria in shambles

[neat mantle]

what abt device

upcoming events has them?

[timid nacelle]

ye

can farm like 20 for random use

but bulk should be ori

[neat mantle]

at least ill never have to worry about loxic kohl ever again

[timid nacelle]

[south spindle]

Isn’t device worse to farm

[limber fox]

kids nowadays will never know

[neat mantle]

Oldheads always want the younger generation to suffer like them 💔

[limber fox]

yes i want everyone to suffer 🤍

[timid nacelle]

no oriron in 6 months
we can farm device again at least in the comin events

[south spindle]

Oh ai yeah fair enough

[unborn badger]

which operator is best to get in the selector?

[timid nacelle]

beginner's selector?

[unborn badger]

yes

[brisk surge]

sash

[timid nacelle]

^

unless u got him from the free 10 pull
in which case get mountain or thorns @unborn badger

[limber fox]

i got two Weedys

[unborn badger]

ok thanks

[full terrace]

ZT-EX-8 Low-End Clear (very cursed)

[south spindle]

1 op

[rapid junco]

Wis aboose

[full terrace]

Only 5% Arknights players cleared all 4 IS5 Endings 😂

[rapid junco]

Glad to be the part of 95%

[full terrace]

😅

[cyan gorge]

Ed4 is out?

[full terrace]

Quilon is Ending 4

[cyan gorge]

Idk never got there nor know unlock conditions

[steel prairie]

wth what are those black marks ??? dust ???

[cyan gorge]

Emperor Blades’s farts

[rapid junco]

Basically lost found spam, you get the lotus, and boat, for menacing debuff and new gimmick on stage

[steel prairie]

bruh

[full terrace]

Unlock condition is err.. do Lost and Found for Petal, then do Face-Off (spend 2 Plans) for Karma

[steel prairie]

also what are those X marks for ??? stage obstacles ???

[cyan gorge]

Banned tiles

[steel prairie]

oh

[cyan gorge]

Usually banned tiles are from challenge mode conditions

Like that map

[steel prairie]

ic

[cyan gorge]

Might try later, what are the core ops for the fight?

[rapid junco]

The core is good relic roll🤫

[cyan gorge]

I’ve played enough IS4 ed4 to know that all too well

[full terrace]

Triple Flingers if you dont want to handmix. If you are handmixing then ops that can stall him (Quilon) on the right, and someone that can control the crowd on the left. The "must have" is probably Eyjaberry coz every Aggini of Nila spawned gives Quilon 20% DR. For a Logos/Nymph run, it looks more or less like this #strategy message

[cyan gorge]

That’s crazy cause Eyja2 is literally the only meta op I’m missing

Well no Nymph either

[full terrace]

So the core ops are basically, Eyjaberry (or plenty Medics since you got no global healing), staller on the right coz that Quilon rushes to your bluebox so fast, then plenty of dps on both right and left, and the 2nd map

[full terrace]

Qiubai works

[rapid junco]

Eyja start angle

[full terrace]

Ethan I think works

Btw d15 Quilon has 1.9 mils HP

[cyan gorge]

[full terrace]

So stacked 20% DRs are really felt if you dont remove them

With heals

Grabbing Kings set is a standardized procedure now btw

If you dont handmix*

For details about the Lamp, you can check Euthy's message in #is-station

It's pinned

[cyan gorge]

So as I understand it:
-Fuck ton of healing
-Stall (bind/slow)
-Flinger spam

[maiden hound]

you can do fear for stalling quilon too iirc

[remote perch]

Thats basically all ED

[cyan gorge]

I don’t have Nymph to pull that off

[remote perch]

All ED can be solved by just Triple Flinger

[maiden hound]

laios s2 hyperbuff

[full terrace]

The Flinger spam is only if you dont want to handmix, meaning you dont draft units like Logos, Asca, Goldenglow, Lappcaster

And stick to only Wis-Rosmo-Greyy

If you handmix then triple Flingers are not needed

But your Kings set is not guaranteed

Quilon is only susceptible to Bind btw

Oh and Fear

[cyan gorge]

I’m more concerned with how to survive without Eyja2

[full terrace]

Can cope Silence's drone

I run Nightingale when Eyja is out and embrace all the Arts explosion and -50% atk debuff

[cyan gorge]

I…don’t own NG either

[full terrace]

😂

Silence's drone should work

Then a couple Medics to helidrop for healing lotus flowers

[cyan gorge]

So just draft as many medics as possible?

[full terrace]

I think Silence and Purestream work well in Quilon fight

Also I think you will be fine with those Medics

Eyja's global heal is QoL basically

Like 2 or 3 Medics in 1

You spam 3 Medics thats the same

As long as you heal those Flowers, Quilon has no DR and there is no flowers explosion (Arts)

Quilon's kit revolves around those flowers

[south spindle]

Eyja 10 hope cost 🥀
Silence + Purestream = 6

[full terrace]

You took care of them he is just an oversized Elite with tons of HP

[full terrace]

10 Hope cost but she also carries your run all the way to boss fight. Necrosis is very annoying in IS5

Especially Regular Army

[civic bear]

Perfurmer can heal flowers too

[south spindle]

This is def true

necrosis solution

[civic bear]

Its a bit slower sure

But it's way cheaper

[south spindle]

Is perfumer alone enough?

[civic bear]

Depends on diff

[cyan gorge]

I’m at 13 currently

[south spindle]

She can heal the one flower that spawns behind the medic

[civic bear]

And relics

[south spindle]

D15

[civic bear]

But she can heal flowers just pop s2

[south spindle]

[full terrace]

Yah. One of the reasons why my run is so stable is because of Eyja

IS4 she was whatever

IS5 she shines so brightly

[civic bear]

Perf kinda sucks to draft tho so purestream better

[still vessel]

Pure stream semi global range

[cyan gorge]

Qiubai s1 angle I take it?

[full terrace]

Yehh

Can also use Ethan

Qiubai S1 with Kings set is enough if you have a bit of aspd

Bloodbath book then she goes crazy

Devilbane banner even crazier

[south spindle]

🥀 gonna be sparking 4 in a row 🚬

dont tell #help

but tbh eyjaberry liveable without

can't cure elalessness 🥲

[full terrace]

Exu alter is the better Ela minus Mines

Tbh Ela's Mines are what makes her good 😂

[rapid junco]

And they said eyja is a worthless limited

[south spindle]

🥀 and thats why its incurable

[maiden hound]

erm... no dps therefore bad obviously

[brisk surge]

Guys

I highrolled and forgot to save 2 plans for face off

What do

[full terrace]

RIP run

[brisk surge]

[maiden hound]

fremont time

[full terrace]

Do you have Arch Glyph?

[brisk surge]

No

🥹

[full terrace]

Arch Glyph it and hopefully you get Face-Off in Bizarre Fragment

[brisk surge]

I hate is5 Buddha

[full terrace]

Okay RIP run

I mismanaged my Plans inventory all the time too, dont worry about it

[south spindle]

i got arch glyph tech off last night 🥹

[full terrace]

You have no idea the unhealthy amount of runs I have failed

😅

[south spindle]

so you're learning alot!

[full terrace]

Yah I would say I learned a lot

@cyan gorge btw bro, if you got these 2 early run, there is always this technique #strategy message 😂

[steel prairie]

is it worth it to redo some of the farming levels to make them go faster ? (or they will hardly go faster ???)

[civic bear]

Not really

Other than 1-7

If you aren't gnna farm that much the diff is marginal

And ur unlikely to do so since. When event is up you farm said event, when event is down you either farm what you need or 1-7

[steel prairie]

I am on extreme horde mode because I got most of the useful characters around the same time (Krooster, GLadiia, Teq)

[civic bear]

Then just

[smoky halo]

optimize ap5

[cyan gorge]

I love my ap5 cozy 2 op

[remote perch]

Most useful characters

GLadiia

[full terrace]

Hi Fae

[tidal sedge]

I tried this with Golden chalice and king set, Theresis died without needing to use True damage against him

[full terrace]

Bro thats overkill 🤣

[steel prairie]

well I dont have shifters and some told me she is decent

I only have 1 shifter and its a super basic one

[full terrace]

That Furnace is worth an Old Fan basically

[steel prairie]

uhh so how do I clear Ap-5 ???

[next wigeon]

Do you have a Fast Redeploy

Top Left only summons one guy

[steel prairie]

yes yes I do

[next wigeon]

Can you react fast enough since if it was me I'd place a sniper next to top right then bait the artillery with gravel on some other tile

[steel prairie]

the question is can Gravel kill the artillery in time before she gets killed herself ?

[next wigeon]

After guy dies you retreat the sniper

[next wigeon]

Umm

[steel prairie]

oh wait you talking about the other one

[next wigeon]

You use the sniper to kill

[steel prairie]

nvm lol

[next wigeon]

Gravel is the Meatshield

[steel prairie]

after 8-3 I got plenty of meatshields

[next wigeon]

I chose gravel because she's very cheap

[next wigeon]

Wait can I see your team

I wanna do a test run

[steel prairie]

oh shit they just changed because I was building Krooster and such hold on

[next wigeon]

I've been using Texalt to kill the random outside artillery fellas

[steel prairie]

its a completly different team now once sec since I got the reccomended free characters

[next wigeon]

My old low star auto is gone now 🥀

[steel prairie]

uhhh tf ??? how do I use Krooster ???

why is it mostly blank ?

[next wigeon]

You log in?

So it inputs what your stuff is

[steel prairie]

yes... hold on Im trying to migrate

[next wigeon]

Previously I had to manually input everything 🥀

[steel prairie]

bruh that probably takes forever

[next wigeon]

It does yes

Hmmm

[steel prairie]

does Krooster not have a import profile from AK ?

ok nvm I got it

jesus it has bad UI just like AK itself lol

ok yk what it doesnt let you display your squad

[steel prairie]

ok some changes

btw why I cant name my archer squad "crossbows" ??? how is that a banned word ??? (its literally used ingame like hundreds of time)

[next wigeon]

Chinese Law reasons

[steel prairie]

bruh

[next wigeon]

It only displays what you have

[steel prairie]

oh hmm

my main concern is healing... since my healers are shit

[next wigeon]

This is how I cleared AP-5

[steel prairie]

ah... (tho how isnt your Blaze nuked by the arty lol)

imma try

[next wigeon]

4 Medics ya

Plus Drone

There are 2 tiles that close to Blaze

I think you can just use Gladiia S2 on top right

She has regen afterall

[steel prairie]

yeah I cleared it (abyss hunters for the win)

[smoky halo]

cant u just helidrop marksman -> gravel for top right

these enemies have no stats

[next wigeon]

Yeah that's what I did ya

You start with 30 dp afterall

[steel prairie]

I honestly really hate the mortar guys... before they are also super tanky... my units just tickle them

[next wigeon]

I don't particularly think they are tanky

Since Kroos 3★ can kill them

[steel prairie]

idk I remember my units once only tickles them

now they hit very hard surprisingly

[next wigeon]

Probably some stage buff or enemy buffing them

[smoky halo]

local AK player learns about how defense works

🤯

[next wigeon]

Offense*

AK is a Tower Offense Game

Oh ya this was my other clear

[steel prairie]

this is what I did... as you can see this map is the reason why I hate Silence... you literally cannot place her drones on so many areas

[steel prairie]

that was the biggest bait ever that draws me in... its not a TD game... its a fukin calculus class

[next wigeon]

I just finessed the drone

[next wigeon]

Base Simulator*

[steel prairie]

yeah but the drone feels super wasted... you can only heal like 1 character because the other tile prevents you from healing both

[smoky halo]

i am talking about defense formula

🚬

[steel prairie]

I run into these types of map alot...... this is why I hate Silence... as you can see Mullberry with her massive coverage doesnt have this issue

[next wigeon]

Oh right subtraction

[steel prairie]

the fact that the drone is a double edged sword really... just pisses me off

[next wigeon]

Discord buggin again smh

Video isn't loading in for me 🥀

[steel prairie]

also as you can see Bagpipe is WAY better than Texas... if it was Texas I would have lost

[steel prairie]

oh rip... happens to me as well (why is all my video takes up so much storage space ?)

[next wigeon]

Bagpipes Archetype is finicky

Needs to kill things to get 1 dp

[steel prairie]

yeah but atleast she can hit hard and tanks decently... while getting dp... Texas just fukin dies and leaks

[next wigeon]

Don't you have Vulpisfoglia?

Her E2 can Lanehold

[steel prairie]

but basically AP-5 is like the perfect example of why I dont like Silence and Texas and why I always have a grudge against them

[steel prairie]

yeah but she is squishy... hits really hard tho and gets lots of dp

also Texas got E2 pretty early which is why I used her

Vulp is still E1

[next wigeon]

E2 unlocks her self regen

[steel prairie]

oh ??? ok ic (but I am so bankrupt on resources)

atleast I have proof on shitting on Silence and Texas

AP-5 is just too perfect of a example

[next wigeon]

This is her S3

Has Camouflage too

[steel prairie]

ik dang

btw the tiles that look like uhhh... solar panels ??? are they suppose to do anything ??? (I find them super sus)

[elder flume]

aesthetic

[steel prairie]

this is 10-11... a miniboss stage

[next wigeon]

Nope just design

[steel prairie]

ok phew... they look sus af

I really hate miniboss stages

[next wigeon]

Rain, can Lin tank the Cannon or nah?

[steel prairie]

uh mines I think no ???

Im assuming that because in anni eventually she couldnt tank those gernadiers anymore

[next wigeon]

I recommend borrowing/using Kal'sit for this stage

She can handle bottom row

[steel prairie]

oh

k

[elder flume]

nah max Lin is only 2k hp

shield is only extra 2hondo

[next wigeon]

Rip

[elder flume]

Tho if you Aak her

[steel prairie]

surprisingly Skadi actually tank a cannon round with brute hp force

but these guys... these Sarkaz are just way too tanky

lowkey wanna bring Surtr in for more arts dmg but I doubt that she can even survive this

[elder flume]

cannon is 3k true damage

she has 7k but healing her requires some setups

[civic bear]

the sarkaz heirbearer are killable

but the thing you are saying too tanky are the slugs and the big slugs

these has DR

so like

they have low hp but high DR so they felt tanky af

because you are supposed to either use true damage. or use cannon

[steel prairie]

there is one type (armed with a golden bow or shield or smth) that was surprisingly hard to kill for some reason

[civic bear]

they all die to cannon

its that guy on the right

[steel prairie]

uhh the cannon will leave atleast 1 survivor for somereason

[civic bear]

what you see of the survivor is different thing

you saw other mob died

[steel prairie]

yes

[civic bear]

most of the mobs in that chapter when dead summon the slugs

[steel prairie]

but also you have to get the cannon on time... this map has a slow reloading one

[civic bear]

easy

[steel prairie]

the previous one if I recall loads really fast

[civic bear]

just block them

theres a reason why the slugs even say

[steel prairie]

just hold out long enough ???

[civic bear]

"increase block"

yes

it just defender game

[steel prairie]

ok

[civic bear]

they dont pierce thru defense

so defender tanks pretty well

[steel prairie]

can any defenders tank the cannon shot I wonder ???

[civic bear]

if they have 3k hp

yes

[steel prairie]

k

[civic bear]

usually protector

but even if they dont

you are bringing 12 op in the game

just switch between defenders

the typical strat of the chapter is to kill the normal mobs

then they become the slugs version

tank and clump em up for cannon to cleanup

[next wigeon]

Wis'adel is portable cannon

[civic bear]

modern dps are

they have dr but still low hp afterall

[brisk surge]

quartz solos the canon

🥱

[civic bear]

even if 2k hp with dr

[steel prairie]

uhhh they are still too tanky

[civic bear]

thats only 20k damage

do you even read what we said

these you kill. then block the thing they spawn

[next wigeon]

Just use Kal'sit to ignore the Dmg Reduction

[civic bear]

you want bunch of aoes

[steel prairie]

oh oops I was too focused on it I forgot to read it

[rapid junco]

Just tank the dudes and let London nuke the job

[civic bear]

also where your damage

i swear you have other dps than those

but even with just those you arent putting your units in to hit them either aside from blaze at top

[steel prairie]

tried... still not enough dps to get them into slug mode

[steel prairie]

Those are my best.... I cant use Zuo here because of the SP zap

[next wigeon]

S3 is enough dps

[steel prairie]

cause Im trying to guard the other flank

[steel prairie]

wait Kal S3 ???

my Kal is still E1

[next wigeon]

There's a record that uses Kal'sit and Exalt only in that stage

[next wigeon]

Oh

No wonder you've been doing low dmg

[civic bear]

you're borrowing right

[steel prairie]

but yeah my dps are just tickling those sarkaz

[civic bear]

i mean kal e1 is good for bottom lane

[steel prairie]

nope

[civic bear]

those die to kal

[steel prairie]

I wasnt borrowing

[civic bear]

just let m3 handle bottom

then best defender up top

[steel prairie]

so uhh borrow a Kal ???

[civic bear]

you have kal no?

[steel prairie]

a E2 Kal ???

[steel prairie]

my Kal is E1

[civic bear]

do youo want to borrow or not

[steel prairie]

E1 level 55

[civic bear]

if not then just use your e1 kal and handle bottom lane

shes quite efficient with s2 for mobs

[steel prairie]

well I tried and mon3ter keeps on dying...

mon3ter respawned like 3 times

[civic bear]

m3 is inside kal range right

and kal s2 is healing it

[steel prairie]

yes yes

[civic bear]

tf how then

e1 50 kaltsit still has like high def

[steel prairie]

I was getting overwhelmed

[civic bear]

you're supposed to use it like

use s2 to kill

the one that has jetpack looking thing

after they die you can just let m3 dies

[steel prairie]

yeah ik... hold on

[civic bear]

think of it like fast redeploy anyway

yeah shes just fine here. this even e1 1s. you park caster at top because the swordguy just go around and round forever

you just want bunch of aoes for bottom so you dont get swarmed. and then arts dps killing top swordguy. and then try to intercept the caster

[steel prairie]

uhhh in terms of aoe I have 0 aoe

ok yeah almost made it but eventually my Kal can no longer sustain healing mon3ter

[civic bear]

thats fine

just repeat in 30seconds

have defender behind it

also you do have aoes

[steel prairie]

yeah but eventually it was lost

[steel prairie]

nope

[civic bear]

lin

[steel prairie]

thats only 1...