strategy

[elder flume]

refresh

[scenic mauve]

Only thing worth noting^

Wait

I upgrade, I replace perfumer with Ptilopsis

[elder flume]

ye

[scenic mauve]

Refresh?

[steel prairie]

when baiting Tal... you also cant release your baits too early ???

[elder flume]

dormant heir im thinking if its good on Chalter

you can bait early

just have to retreat immediately when burnt

[scenic mauve]

If she even lives to use it.

[scenic mauve]

Monstrosity is a pain

[elder flume]

put it on Chalter

[steel prairie]

WHAT ??? when I placed Gavel and and Texas alt down.. got burned... retreated.. then she proceeds to burn my actual units that I just deployed

she burned twice in a roll

[elder flume]

i need a recording to see tbh

[steel prairie]

wtf this is not even close to ANY guides...

[scenic mauve]

Sell perfumer and meteorite for 4 credits total to reroll?

[steel prairie]

im practicing on the Tal page (currently getting some resources...) I can do it live to show you

[elder flume]

sell Ascalon Perfumer

[scenic mauve]

If you need silence, you can friend me and I can put one up.

[elder flume]

after im done with Volt sure

[steel prairie]

k

[scenic mauve]

Not silence I meant nightingale

[steel prairie]

sure sure pls

btw what does nighttingale do ???

[scenic mauve]

Sure give me a moment, I’ll also give you my UID

[steel prairie]

I already putted mine on the friend id area

[scenic mauve]

Arts protection/res, so if it’s talulah, she will help your ops live.

[steel prairie]

OHHH... wait thats so useful

[steel prairie]

tho it isnt a 100% res ???

[scenic mauve]

Think it was S2 was better against talulah? Or was it S3, need a reminder here

[elder flume]

S3M3 gets most ops to 9ty res

some to hondo

[scenic mauve]

Because I have S2M3 for nightingale

[steel prairie]

do buffers get put in the specialist catagory ???

or she is a medic ?

[elder flume]

NG is medic

every class has a buffer of some sort

[scenic mauve]

I added you as a friend

[steel prairie]

got it

[scenic mauve]

My nightgale isn't M3 for her S3, but she should do the job

use her summon to also tank shots from talulah's wave of fireballs

[steel prairie]

k

so with nightgale I just brute force it or is it still better to bait ???

[scenic mauve]

bait talulah burn hits with fast redeploys for sure

save Nightingale's summons for fireball wave

[steel prairie]

ok but atleast its more forgiving on mistakes ?

[scenic mauve]

yes

[south spindle]

You can put down FRDs as soon as they come back up
just make sure they wont get one shot by some other enemy

[scenic mauve]

@elder flume ok so I got two items of interest

one is 2nd andreanna

two is the amiya doll, which grants me a +1 extra fund for every new round

[elder flume]

there is no next round

you either live or die here

[scenic mauve]

....

high stakes

you're right

it's gotta end at some point

[steel prairie]

btw is 2 baits suppose to be enough or having 3 to be sure ??? (problem is I cant find a good 3rd bait)

[scenic mauve]

2 is enough

like gravel and projekt red

just time it properly and you should be fine

[elder flume]

if you ever need a third theres CS

[scenic mauve]

ah yes, best fast redeploy operator

[steel prairie]

Tal did a double burn on me rather than a cross bomb... idk HOW... but if it happens again I will live stream it

[elder flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669489344658014208/1372566849480298607/Screenshot_20250515-203012.jpg?ex=6827e6bd&is=6826953d&hm=de28bc430a4d94915496be5b58edc3161f5759c156c1100a607d3c505b384663&

fr

[scenic mauve]

lmao no way

[faint loom]

how do i guard in the middle part? currently i only have vulp, texas, s.ash, tequila, lapp, lappalt, ceobe, kroos alt, saria, tinman, silence and ptilo

[scenic mauve]

@elder flume or do I sell meteorite for one more reroll

[somber falcon]

ranged ops
or anyone that has long range, basically

[elder flume]

just ss the screen

[scenic mauve]

sure hop in Rhodes island vc

[faint loom]

i could but best they can cover is 1 or 3 tile at most with kroos besides the altar

[elder flume]

refresh

[faint loom]

okay i'll try again

[somber falcon]

there's ranged tiles too on bottom left

[elder flume]

ye

hit it

[scenic mauve]

do it?

[elder flume]

lol

ok squad change

Ulpi with most sp at start

[scenic mauve]

ok

[elder flume]

put it in the middle

tile

Silence drone tile

Chalter with hp on attack on bottom Ulpi tile face right

Bottom Ulpi go above her

no

[elder flume]

make th eother Chalter on top of CHaleter

under current Specter

ye the one with hp on attack

other Ulpi above that Chalter

[steel prairie]

uhhh about Tal attacks... she apparently can now do 2 burn attacks in a roll before doing the corss bomb ??? (I can show you it live now)

[elder flume]

damage Chalter next to Silence

Ptilo 1 right

[faint loom]

yeah i just realized i could place lappalt there instead, i'm so dumb

thanks guys

[elder flume]

Andreana also

Specter on Silence drone

Gladiia 1 right

oh wait this isnt S2M3 Specter hm

only T6 has M3

Silence next to Gladiia

Specter 1 down face up

damage Chalter 1 left

nah theres casters on mid lane

after Specter dies she will be shot

ye

ye

thats about it

is that hp global or

ye

owel

yuh

[scenic mauve]

Thanks for the help

that was a good run for the most part XD

[elder flume]

you can just search stronghold protocol strategies in search filter

a lot wrote about it

[scenic mauve]

I should honestly

have a goodnight though

this was fun

[elder flume]

yiss

oh just tried Wis on JT8-3

it just skips phase 1

very bruteable

[steel prairie]

ok apparently Tal can do 2 burns in a roll before the cross bomb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs-GUi0VD44
also is Tal melee attack suppose to be AOE or no ?? because for me she literally lits up all my units with just 1 melee strike while in the video she does not do that

[elder flume]

pick a vc and ill watch

[steel prairie]

ok go to general

[marsh dove]

okay so wtf

[pure orchid]

can i join

[somber falcon]

@shy marten what do you need specifically a 5* for

[marsh dove]

i have barge level 6 and still no t6 ops refresh after refresh

is my game glitched or some shit or can you not get t6 ops in foundation

cause i was getting them pretty reliably on core but i switched back to foundation to finish the last few achievements

[somber falcon]

@shy marten just answer here why are you even entering the vc chat again
anyways I only have warf and whisp raised

[south spindle]

i think its odd to type in here while in vc

[somber falcon]

good thoughts

[green yoke]

Which is Good for core protocol??

[mint iron]

I’ve beaten core with ho’ol and dobermann, I heard kal is also good

Kirara is fine I guess, humus kinda bad

[desert prairie]

ho ol start is rough but pays well lategame

dober start is easy but became useless lategame

[mint iron]

Nah, rampup is pretty fast on ho’ol and early life points don’t matter much

You need to save ops for dober for endgame

Ez tier 6 spam with a couple merges

[cosmic quest]

Question: is there any way I can get these into clearing Yumen Market Emergency stage 6 (SSS)?

[narrow pendant]

Can join me in bed, yeah

[elder flume]

if Gravel dies too fast then just place another to block

[steel prairie]

ah ic... ok then

[delicate flare]

flirt

[mint iron]

omg crownslayer usage

[narrow pendant]

Hi bean

[delicate flare]

[slim wyvern]

I've been using Sharp's stratagem for the core protocol because the +70% ATK is useful for dealing with the early game elites and still works later for making whatever operator you slap the tier VI equipment on into a carry.

Jaye in particular can 1v1 seemingly all of the elites except for Trilby Ashers (Who just hit way too hard for his HP regen to keep up with) if he's juiced up by that.

[limpid ore]

man, going full econ just make the core protocol easier

[pure orchid]

ok

[elder flume]

at 5 51 i put Fang down on the wrong spot
supposed to be at Texas spot

[limpid ore]

apparetly the golden statue item counts toward unlocking faction defense commander

[still vessel]

how do you usually deal with this enemy?

stuns all my blockers and theyre invisible too

[elder flume]

that 1 second is all you have

[still vessel]

bruh

[elder flume]

of course a certain someone named Lee exist to counter them

[still vessel]

free round then ig

[limpid ore]

there are at least 4 operators with status effect immunity

[maiden hound]

Lessing

[limpid ore]

Lessing s3, Pepe s1, YatoR s2 and s3, Lee talent 2

[glass monolith]

500 attack speed Gummy in IS to pull UNO reverse

[maiden hound]

Just use 500 ASPD Krooster

[limpid ore]

also it's in stronghold protocol

there are 4 of them

[still vessel]

all 4 got past and you dont lose hp anyways doesnt really bother me

its been 4 runs and i still havent gotten caster equip again this sucks

[glass monolith]

But but but +3 scam currency

[limpid ore]

apparently non-AH aegir operator counts toward AH in Stronghold Protocol

[elder flume]

i wish they give stats like how many runs done

time spent

[limpid ore]

time wasted

[glass monolith]

I love how flashbang literally don't do shit in this tower

[vivid rain]

As if flashbang has ever done shit zzz

It’s just there to clog your lineup

[limpid ore]

they shoulds make the flashbang stun you in real life instead

[vivid rain]

Flashbang acts like real life and give your currently deployed units 2 business days worth of tinitus

[glass monolith]

I think I failed at least once to chain flash banging my dps

[oak sedge]

possible to beat 12-20 with just defenders and medic?

[prisma elk]

Defender conga line

[elder flume]

Surely theres a vid on it alr

[bitter halo]

yay its done

[cosmic quest]

Christ this took more time that I wish it ever did

First core clear

[elder flume]

Grats

[bitter halo]

[elder flume]

Still need to do 5 core attackers

[cosmic quest]

At least that one is way more easy than having to beat all. Just pray you get one weak side and end the run when you do if you don't think you can handle the other.

[still vessel]

Lvl47 first core clear how many foundation runs did you do? Like 30?

[cosmic quest]

2. Been doing Core since I unlocked it (after doing one more run of foundation to wash away the salt from my first core run)

Core has been like...8? 11? I believe?

It hasn't been that many, like 1 per day and some extra attempts sometimes

[still vessel]

lol

I was thinking you either did a shit ton of foundation runs or failed every single core run till now

[cosmic quest]

Well...it was the latter

[round pike]

There must've been a better way than this dpm check....

[glass monolith]

Another 50 sanity apology mail and I still clueless what the fuck Yostar did wrong this time

[south spindle]

Uh quite a few mishaps...
between the current event shenanigans to the Virtuosa skin no EN lines to the purchase failures at the drop of lappalt

[cosmic quest]

Some missing voice lines on skins and old operators (for EN dub) and the latest maintenance being a bit wonky as far as I know?

Current event? As in how fucked Core difficulty feels, and also how people waiting for it to drop were pissed off because of it being both late and screwing with the game when it was being enabled?

[full terrace]

Thats not how you beat the boss and there is indeed a better way

[round pike]

man........ then how is it intended to be beaten

[rapid junco]

Be north korea

Nuke it

[round pike]

waltuh is nuke isnt she so like

[rapid junco]

Nono like literally nuke him

The cart blow make he loss dr🤫

[round pike]

cough cough

all carts been detonated

[rapid junco]

Idk bro

I was send him to oblivion with qb s3

[full terrace]

Summon the bombs, then drop the bombs on him

[round pike]

bro i summoned all bombs

recheck the video

[full terrace]

Thats just skill issue. You let the boss destroy them

[round pike]

no more bomb spawns

[full terrace]

Thats your misplay

[rapid junco]

[full terrace]

Hi ia 😄

[round pike]

i saw two of them detonate for 3000 it didnt touch his hp pool at all

[rapid junco]

You should can do it at early when he just spawn

Reed with her dot are goated

[rapid junco]

[full terrace]

Wait til this dude has to manage 4 bombs with 2 devices in H13-4 😏

[rapid junco]

[glass monolith]

0 bomb H13-3 #strategy message

[full terrace]

Not fancy enough until you throw Nymph+Virt at him 😂

[rapid junco]

🍐

[glass monolith]

Ew, using 6* operators as reasonable human being instead of self suffering

[full terrace]

🤣

[rapid junco]

And yet ppl with smooth brain

[elder flume]

i wish my game would stop kicking me

[rapid junco]

Id kick you instead

😳

[limpid ore]

nutcracker

[nocturne cove]

How is that

Flirting

[pure orchid]

Stop flriting with

tfe

podenco being weird af

[wintry hinge]

How csn I get ship Icon?

[elder flume]

isnt it level 45 in event

[wintry hinge]

Ok

Its me or protocl very easy

[elder flume]

its easy enough

i prob should utilize my nitro before it expires

[pure orchid]

Maybe

But personally i think its more stress than its worth

Just treat it as if it dont exist

[full terrace]

It's not only easy, it's lame

[limpid ore]

one of item in stronghold protocol show that in terra, people also use magic circle, and even make it portable using hologram technology

[pure orchid]

what does this mean chat

[limpid ore]

it means i can kidnap you to my dungeon

[pure orchid]

No thanks im stuck in another dungeon already

[full terrace]

Bet the devs gonna say something like "ah it's just Arts stored in a device, and for dramatic effect, the device is designed like a magic circle"

[pure orchid]

How much

[limpid ore]

it's just magic circle on hologram projector

[full terrace]

I won the bet 😂

Said "Arts Circle"

[pure orchid]

eugh

[elder flume]

Logos strat [ -1 operator price +1 refresh and item price ]

The goal of this strat is to trigger an infinite where you keep amassing funds to get everything you need

**Round 1 **buy an op
Round 2 upgrade barge
Round 3 sell op upgrade barge and must get Karlan Trade Set
Round 4 and 5 buy as many unique ops and or Karlan Trade File
Round 6 twenty free refresh to gain economy without spending is ideal

• If you fail to get this then you can compensate by going higher rounds trying to get more unique ops or Karlan Trade File if you have not found it yet
• Put Karlan Trade Model and Karlan Trade File on the operator that has a dupe in the shop > that dupe operator now costs zero > buy and replace the original > sell the one with items to gain +1 funds > repeat until infinite money
• You want to keep buying unique ops until you fill the bench with every operator but keep in mind you need 2 funds to refresh as backup before you buy a new unique op
• Ignore buying any equipment until you have enough to keep refreshing without fail
• If you can reach twenty funds at this point then you most likely have secured an infinite

Things to note

• T2 T3 ops have higher chance to appear at Barge 3
• You want to stay at Barge 3 for as long as possible for a lower pool of ops to roll on = higher chance of dupes = more selling
• When you have sufficient money you can upgrade Barge 4 where T4 appear more and gradually change your T1 T2 ops for T4
• If you are selling more than 3 unique ops in a round to have enough for a refresh then its probaby best to skip and do the infinite next round

Items to look for

Barge 3

T1 Arts Greed, funds +2 if win next round, this is if you need more money to have better chance at infinite next round
T3 Arts Shield, grants 5 shield, this will be your main source of extra damage to enemy hp as shields count towards it and stackable to infinite, can give +2 funds if you went opless in earlier rounds to get your hp below half
T3 Kazimierz File, need Meteor or Gravel in squad to use, this will boost your economy faster as you can have extra ops to sell but you can only have a total of 3 for a type of faction files = 1 upgraded + 1 normal
T3 Abyssal Hunter File, need Andreana in squad to use, you want this on her to remove it from the item pool as there can only be 3 of AH File in squad
T3 Karlan Trade File, do not upgrade this as it goes from -2 ops price to -1 ops price which is bad
T3 Budget-Savvy Doll, this is if you want to prepare for next round with more money, only 3 can be in squad so buy it to remove from the pool, put it on someone in the bench that you wont dupe

Barge 4

T4 Arts Transmission, the next 3 refreshes cost zero, essentially this saves you 4 funds, have atleast 2 in squad ready if you want to make infinite easier next round

Barge 5

T5 Coin-Operated Machine, extra income if put on lower tier op and most of what youre duping is of same class, from experience its worse than capitalizing T3 T4 ops but still profitable

Barge 6

T6 Arts Blood Tax, set hp to 1, gain ten funds, absolutely useless when you can infinite without it but if it ever comes down to it this exists i guess

How to remove items from the pool

Theres a max number of times you can have an item in your inventory, this is useful to ensure that you do not roll the same item

• For Faction Files its capped at 3 total of each so you can have a max of 3 Kazi 3 Karlan 3 AH Files at once and this also applies to Budget-Savvy Doll
• For other items its capped at 4 of each such as items that boosts an operator stats meaning you can only have 2 upgraded items of the same name
• Arts cannot be merged and also have a rule of 4 max of the same name
• This rule of 4 does not apply if you are in Barge 1 where your only item options are the same but you can have 8 of each item now or 4 upgraded for the T1 items [ not Arts ]

What next?

Idk go win with maxed T6 ops and items and 99 shield

[bitter halo]

woah

[keen gull]

I ain readin allat but caster good

[still vessel]

It lets you get infinite casters

[keen gull]

Peak

[elder flume]

damn even with nitro im edging the character limit

[brisk surge]

Did you get nitro just for rhis

[elder flume]

it was free

[brisk surge]

Oh

[south spindle]

Discords been just shoving it into peoples accounts

Only a week but trying to get you

[elder flume]

nah the day i buy a nitro is the day my acc is hacked

btw @crisp bolt can you go further than 4 upgraded T1 item in inventory

[full terrace]

Be like Light, buy a Nitro and boost the server

Respect for Rainchan +1000000

[brisk surge]

What benefits does boosting even give

[somber falcon]

Fancy purple name ig

[full terrace]

Raise video upload size

The limit

So that I can upload videos without compressing 😂

[somber falcon]

Oh you mean for the server

[full terrace]

To help people better

[brisk surge]

Purple name so feminine

Besides I like the blue if fits with my profile

[full terrace]

Nah I see purple name, I treat them with utmost respect

Purple name asking for help = my priority 😂

[brisk surge]

If I boost arf will hh me

[elder flume]

lewd

[crisp bolt]

I can do exactly 4 upgraded small shields and 4 upgraded serated dirks

after that I'd get no more items

[elder flume]

huh

like its empty

when you refresh

[crisp bolt]

not empty but it'll only give me the t1 arts that gives op based on faction

no matter how many times I reroll

[elder flume]

watafart

same thing in Barge 2 or

[crisp bolt]

nah barge 2 has more items

you have the initial sp, the +atk +def, and the max hp items

alongside greed and class based op arts

I don't think I ever managed to have enough economy to reroll until I ran out of item options (as I was focused on getting ops over items)

[elder flume]

do you wana try Barge 1 where you try to remove every item

finding out the limit for Arts

[crisp bolt]

I tried doing that a bit but I ended up with 3-4 of the arts in my bench and I stopped

[brisk surge]

Rain is using broom as data collection

[elder flume]

[brisk surge]

[crisp bolt]

tbf I'm the only one schizo enough to do a level 1 barge run

[prisma elk]

Hey rain is this the optimal set up even without the 20 free reset?

[elder flume]

if youre making money then yeah

my current run is doing infinite on R9 too

[brisk surge]

I would if I like the gamemode

🥹

[prisma elk]

Alright thanks, btw I got the buff that gives equipment whenever I win, it might help out with your documents about the limit of each equipment

[prisma elk]

If I do get the set up with 1k waves

[elder flume]

i believe that will not follow normal item rules

do you even have enough time to get to 1k lol

[prisma elk]

Wait how long do we have till the end of strong hold?

[elder flume]

idk

prob a week

[crisp bolt]

till the 22nd

[prisma elk]

I'll probably run it overnight just to out wave the CN video of 1138 lmao

@elder flume do you think that it's realistic to have a shop that has 0 equipment or even with a filled equipment of operators on bench and that's deployed there will still be things that will be left out?

[elder flume]

it is

but the lowest you can go for infinite is Barge 3

so thats already like 12 items

arts that cant merge is most problematic

the rest can be hidden on ops

that being said Barge 3 only gives 1 item in shop

and it will most likely be Arts when you have capped other items

[crisp bolt]

bruh the reset happened and I don't have enough red certs for glue

also it kicked me out of stronghold

[elder flume]

the run is saved atleast

had it happen to me a few times

[prisma elk]

Hmm, that just, yea that seems like torture I'mma not try it ;-;

[elder flume]

i wouldnt mind doing it

my infinite is alr going

im just too tired rn to keep going

the alternative to R6 buff is deploy limit

i think equipment per round will not take item rule into account

i would need roughly 5hondo gold before i turn my ops into bags

[prisma elk]

I don't think it would prove anything new other than support the claim that the equipments does have a limit so I would wish it upon anyone else, since it takes so long

[crisp bolt]

@elder flume the limit is 8

[elder flume]

oh my

thanks for testing

[crisp bolt]

also just realized there's both faction and class in there

so 4 faction 4 class

[elder flume]

ye 4 each

so you can really force items

[crisp bolt]

game really likes to limit in 4s it seems

[elder flume]

and getting T3 shield should be faster with this

if only theres save state so i dont need to keep setting this up each run

[crisp bolt]

if there was I would've won level 1 barge ages ago

[elder flume]

and thats character limit

[azure roost]

hi

havent been for a while

busy on limbus and other atuff

[azure roost]

oh this shitty event still going

didn't bother getting pfp

[limpid ore]

man, amiya commander is very good
at making your entire team kill themselves

[limber fox]

Such an amiya behavior smh

[left pecan]

Whats her commander skill ?

[elder flume]

Teleport to enemy when skill

Its pretty good with Kazi

Can theoretically be infinite stun if you die in 1 shot

[full terrace]

Ah the monthly annoying SSS is here again

[shell olive]

just skip

[tidal sedge]

Just win

[full terrace]

Yah I dont skip resources, even tho it's rarely used

Oh good time to test out Lappcaster performance

I'm gonna do this

[elder flume]

I just buy mod mats from event shop

Cba SSS

[full terrace]

I bought out the shop as well yah

Hmm fun

[fresh jewel]

what are the most annoying buffs that the enemies could get in stronghold?

[candid gale]

all

they gradually got all

isn't it?

[glass monolith]

I had double HP from round buff leading to them having over +1000% HP

[glass monolith]

Aren't there only 2 "based on round" buffs per attacker?

[candid gale]

erm

i think i don't know

hmm

ok got it

each faction has different buff

[hasty shard]

Finally got around to promoting Fia, I remember most people use her 2nd skill but which module do most people go for?

[full terrace]

Module X ofcourse

Also most people use her S3 for anni afk

[trail crag]

So i tried it a few more Times with the hardest difficulty in this Event, by choosing the Ho'olheyak support thing and some other Tips i got over the last 2 days but it all ends the same.
I get steamrolled by the enemys because i dont get enough Funds to level up the support platform fast enough or my Ops arent strong enough, even in this Stage i had now with the Air Vent things.
No idea what else i can do

[full terrace]

Read this #strategy message

[somber falcon]

You have 0 dps there

[trail crag]

And how should i get them when i start a new Round and thats all the Operators i get from support, without much Funds to do several Rerolls?

Those were still the best Options, unless you tell me i should buy like Gravel, Asbestos, Elysium etc ^^

[somber falcon]

Ok try to walk me through
Who did you buy and why, in order

Asbestos is good

So is andreana, lapp, and astgenne

[trail crag]

Doesnt feel like it, the few Times i did buy her she got defeated pretty easy and fast

Also i read your Strategy for it and watched the Video and the Videos with that "Corporate Management" doesnt work since i dont even have unlocked it..
The rest is also depending a lot on Luck, if you dont get a Matterhorn your always forced to essentially restart the entire Game 🤔

[full terrace]

If you are gonna reject ideas, then there is no point for people to type lengthy stuff trying to help you. Helping someone takes time, you give them nothing in return at least appreciate their time. Instead of denying what Casul said with "doesnt feel like it, she got defeated pretty easy and fast" you could have asked him "how? Mine died pretty fast, what did you do to make her survive".

[trail crag]

Thats the only Strategys i have unlocked atm

[full terrace]

Also Matterhorn is given for FREE whenever you upgrade Barge level

Nvm then, I cant help you

[brisk surge]

literally kalsit squad works with most strategies

[full terrace]

I'm not the right person

[brisk surge]

omg rare arf moment

[somber falcon]

Isn't that only on sa strat?

[full terrace]

Yeah and thats what the link I sent to the guy is about

[somber falcon]

Ah

[full terrace]

He replied to me that he tried and failed to get Matterhorn lmao

[trail crag]

Tried it with Kal´tsit a few times but even that doesnt work.. i always get steamrolled especially at the later Part.. especially when you get as Enemys like the Sniper who always stun your Operators, strong Elites who barely get faced by your Ops even with the Sniper or Caster thing to make them stronger...

[trail crag]

Because i sure as hell dont remember that i ever got guaranteed a Matterhorn when i started a new Round or did rerolls

[full terrace]

Because you didnt start with the squad you said it yourself

First thing I said in there is literally "do Foundation and finish it with 4 Karlan operators to unlock the squad"

[trail crag]

Because i dont have the Strategys as you showed in your Video, i dont even know that so many Strategys existed ^^

[somber falcon]

Ok, additional problem: you don't look like you're using no equipment at all
They're useful to help against enemy scaling, use them

[full terrace]

Anyway

Best of luck to you

[trail crag]

In the beginning i sure as hell dont have the Funds to even buy Equipment, maybe you can do it later if you maybe had the luck and get a relativly decent setup of Operators 🤔

[somber falcon]

"decent" ops are scattered over all the tiers

[trail crag]

Is there even any Way that you can see how to unlock all the Strategys? I dont remember that they ever mentioned it in the Tutorial or that you can see it anywhere

[elder flume]

before you start a run

open SWEEP

there will be squads you can look at

theyre not intuitive to know what its about until you unlock them

but they tell how to unlock

[trail crag]

Well.. no idea how that should work since you finish normal difficulty pretty fast but i might as well try it to unlock something

[elder flume]

there are lots of strats people wrote on different squads #strategy message

Fae having most uses since Kal squad is immediately open

btw can you use supports

[versed arrow]

didnt know there are actually written guides. Took a quick look but we dont need to reset if we see icefield, Just go karlan to frost them in return imo, works for me.

[elder flume]

Tulip is decent but having normal operators is better imo

[versed arrow]

Anyone had a decent run with amiya squad? which op you used? maybe I put too many gravel but I always ran out of dp

[elder flume]

Amiya strat prefers Kazi model

if you dont have that your dp dies

[somber falcon]

ok can you stream your run on a vc below?
I wanna see how you do your run

[trail crag]

Sry but i never did that and have no clue about streaming or anything else..
And i can use some Supports but i dont have one for Gnosis and Horn.. none of the People on my Friend list have them in currently and i dont have those 2 myself 😅

[elder flume]

i think you need to change Ely to S1 too for Amiya redeploy strat

[somber falcon]

literally enter vc and select share screen
I'm not asking you to run an obs or anything

[elder flume]

if #friend-id doesnt have the missing ops then rip

also change Saria module to dr and either use S1 or S3

i prefer S3

S1 is bleh

Pluma S1

[lofty stag]

You still need gnosis/horn?

[brisk surge]

wtfart casul nice guy

[full terrace]

He is

[somber falcon]

idek why I'm going the extra mile tbch

[full terrace]

because you are a nice guy

I so wanna help the guy but I mean, I dont like his speech earlier when he replied to Casul 😂

[trail crag]

No idea how much they are needed for this event though 🤔

[elder flume]

i still prefer them rather than reserve ops

plus Gnosis allows Karlan buff easier

and Horn can launch bombs

[versed arrow]

horn also buff atk for defenderknights

[somber falcon]

will topple fr

[full terrace]

Yah Horn is pretty nice, I went and borrow one from Max the other day

Just for smoother run on my alt

[elder flume]

defenderknights the strat to go high rounds

[brisk surge]

do you guys have jp accounts

i need to borrow on it to speedrun progression

[somber falcon]

nope

[versed arrow]

no, I didnt figure out how to play on jp

[somber falcon]

iirc @azure roost has one tho
if he's not touching grass

[brisk surge]

i havent seen im in a week

[azure roost]

hm?

what u want @brisk surge

[brisk surge]

can i add you on jp

i need units

🥹

[azure roost]

wait

[narrow pendant]

Im a unit too!

[azure roost]

@brisk surge ロスヴァイセ

add this

[brisk surge]

added

[azure roost]

mm wait

[narrow pendant]

Fn light

[azure roost]

@brisk surge done

putted tex2 and walter

do whatever u want

[brisk surge]

thank you

[azure roost]

my ling is e0 btw so i cant put it

[brisk surge]

[azure roost]

[brisk surge]

its alright

[trail crag]

Well.. thats a first that you can lose a battle in normal difficulty 🤔
No idea whats up with that OP boss, never saw or fight it before to be honest..

[leaden sierra]

is Logos squad the most broken one for the current event? Also, Amyia squad is super rng, did core once and never doing that again. It was funny, tho.

[elder flume]

ye freeze is worst enemy

[leaden sierra]

discount frostnova, she's from IS1. You can also meet her on IS2 and IS4. She has the same attacks, so just tank her sligtly far away from your ops from AoE.

[full terrace]

Nah Logos squad is for people who wanna do the infinite money RNG shenanigans and attempt lowest or highest number of Rounds. There is no reason to do that if you just wanna clear Core Protocol.

[trail crag]

Never knew about IS1 since i only started in May 2022 and i only played a few rounds IS2 in 2022 before i completly gave up and never tried it again, same for IS 4 ^^

[full terrace]

Have you seen Rain's clears there? They are like 9 hours~1 day

[elder flume]

eh it works even if you aim for normal clear

its just that i took it to the extreme

[full terrace]

Normal clear more reason to not attempt RNG

[leaden sierra]

Infinite tie glitch?

[full terrace]

Like you need the 20 refresh at Round 6, and Karlan file and whatnots

[elder flume]

just R3 and Karlan File really

R6 is not that needed for normal

i do my infinite on R9+ if i didnt get Karlan File in previous rounds

only prereq for my strat is R3 Karlan Model
if not gotten then either restart or go AH or caster like usual

[narrow pendant]

Hey, rain the stronghold pro
Do my stronghold for me pretty please :ya:

[elder flume]

no

[full terrace]

Still RNG, I wouldnt call it "most broken" if it lacks consistency. I'm not saying it doesnt work tho, but I wouldnt call it "most broken" like how the guy asked.

[narrow pendant]

Cruel

🥹

[elder flume]

surely Qyurii will love playing yours

[leaden sierra]

I'm not exactly going for win rate, but that seems interesting, and I haven't tried it. Also, trying to make Nearl squad work somehow with infinite skill spam.

[full terrace]

How did you know Qyurii is his sweetheart

😂😂

[full terrace]

Then Logos squad is worth trying

[elder flume]

idk prob cuz they keep calling each other husband and wife and they keep cheating with Max and Fib prob

[leaden sierra]

already have, I play it the most

[full terrace]

If you just wanna experience different flavors and not going for the clear

[elder flume]

if you get perfect rng Whislash has higher gold gain

[full terrace]

It offers the most unique experience for this event

[elder flume]

but that needs Rten

[elder flume]

question
why is Matterhorn not in Silence range

why is Wis not hitting the tile in front of Matterhorn

why is Pram not in the tile where alive Typhoon is

[full terrace]

Valid questions 100/100

[elder flume]

ops here are kina dumb
they wont use their skills until their normal range detects enemies

except pure dp vanguards

[full terrace]

This is why I love you Rain LOL

[elder flume]

which is why i heavily despise Saria S2

[full terrace]

I'm gonna start quoting this "ops here are kinda dumb, they wont use their skills until their range detects enemies"

[elder flume]

dont fall in love with me so easily

[full terrace]

I'm already in love 😂

[elder flume]

actually i cant tell if thats Silence or Kjerag

theyre both birdlike

if its Kjerag why there

[full terrace]

Looks like Kjera to me

Silence has the glasses rite

[narrow pendant]

It is kjera

Blue streaks in hair

[full terrace]

This is the softest way to tell someone "your positioning sucks" LOL

Savage Rain

[elder flume]

oh i didnt think of it that way

i just stated how the game mechanics work lol

[full terrace]

Uh huh sure 😂😂😂

[elder flume]

and the one thing to note is theyre too close to enemy spawn

they have no time to get sp

[brisk surge]

this vc is peak

[elder flume]

just a bunch of chatters

[pure orchid]

I hate ts bruh 😭

I will not play sp for anyone, not even my wife

[brisk surge]

but you can play it

on stream

[pure orchid]

A minor exception

[full terrace]

You can play his

....something else

[pure orchid]

Erm

[brisk surge]

erm

[pure orchid]

Arf 😭

Crazy

[brisk surge]

i didnt know arf is freaky

[full terrace]

You are the crazy one! What were you thinking? PC I was talking about his PC

[pure orchid]

Oh...

uh yeah! i was thinking of that

[narrow pendant]

🥹

[full terrace]

Today I learn that Qyurii's mind is in the gutter

[pure orchid]

Fuck ive been caught

[brisk surge]

insane switcharound

[narrow pendant]

Life's not worth living anymore..

Adios

[pure orchid]

and how am i suddenly losing this exchange

FREDI NO

[full terrace]

Bye Fredi, you will be missed

Qyurii will miss you

[pure orchid]

Come back 🥹

[narrow pendant]

Insane

Also, i lazed

[pure orchid]

wym

[narrow pendant]

Didnt even touch Lapp S stages

[pure orchid]

Bricked...

-10 op for 1 year

[narrow pendant]

I had my school's year project to work on

Dumbass unity

:realmad:

[elder flume]

not even S1

[narrow pendant]

Not even S-1

I didnt even finish ex8 cm

[full terrace]

RIP

At least it will rerun

Next year

[narrow pendant]

All my homies hate school

Damn you Maria Theresia for making mandatory school years grrr

[pure orchid]

You had a year to work on it :realmad:

Jk those are rough

[silent quarry]

okay, just beat it barely.

forgot wisa'dael just means turn brain off for a bit + surtr

[full terrace]

Hmm?

Whatever you are clearing, congrats

[silent quarry]

it was the jt8-3 level

[full terrace]

Ah okay

Congrats there

[delicate flare]

waw so old

[prisma elk]

Blemishine in stronghold is a different breed, I just rewatched my footage to formulate a strategy and just found that blemishine per attack dealt 8k in one hit and healed so much back

Not to start a war but just out of curiosity, has anyone made a for stronghold only 6 star tierlist?

[full terrace]

I dont think people in strat channel gonna start a war over that, but good question

Aside from the super meta like Wis, Logos, and Asca, I'd probably give laneholders that can hold their own without healers a higher rating

So probably someone like Zuo Le or Mudrock

[brisk surge]

ulpenits

[full terrace]

And Ulpianus yes

[leaden sierra]

What do you do when something doesn't die to Walter explosions and heals back up before she can fire the next shot?
I get it they want me to use lemuen, but damn I hate these stages. Maybe thorns copium.

[full terrace]

Is this for Stronghold or? Generally you cc them with Ascalon. That 85% Mov Speed reduction would stop their advances, and Wisadel will do plenty offskill attacks on them, and when her skill is up, she will shoot it again.

[leaden sierra]

Nah just doing CN event S stages. And Walter can't kill them on skill. Hehe

[glass monolith]

Fall off confirmed. Time to party

[versed arrow]

wis cannot even kill those cars last event off carnival time, already fall off

[leaden sierra]

these guys don't have DR, they just have a LOT of HP and if she doesn't one shot they stand back up. I think I figured it out tho, they have low DEF and res so all I need is actual DPS instead of DPH.

[stuck ermine]

thanks for this 👍

[full terrace]

You are welcome

[prisma elk]

I would add Guardian Defenders too, Shu Saria and Blemi just self sustain one another

But other than alone holders I wonder if Ifrit is actually high in people's tierlists

Considering the map

[slate raptor]

ey guys is texazima a bad habit to have on a strat?

[prisma elk]

Who?

[slate raptor]

been using flagpipe texazima since i started playing and ik its bad for trust farming

[prisma elk]

Texazima? Like, Texas and Zima the vanguards?

[slate raptor]

yes

[prisma elk]

Along with flagpipe? Like, Myrtle, Ely, Sail, Wanqing, and Bagpipe?

[slate raptor]

yes

[prisma elk]

In what situation do you need 7 vanguards???

[slate raptor]

technically 4

[prisma elk]

Oh, so Myrtle only for flagpipe?

[slate raptor]

yeh

[prisma elk]

Still way too much, like, who are you deploying exactly?

[glass monolith]

Vanguardknights?

[prisma elk]

That you need Texas the Vanguard and Zima on top of flagpipe and normal do generation?

[slate raptor]

been using that dp strat for a long time

[prisma elk]

Fair enough lmao

[prisma elk]

You don't need 4 vanguards ;-;

[slate raptor]

yeh ik but its just on what im used to

cuz of texazima talent

[prisma elk]

It's not necessarily bad

[slate raptor]

i would always open up myrtle and texas for dp

[prisma elk]

It's just overkill dp IMO

But you do what's comfortable to you is also my opinion since it's your account and your playstyle

[slate raptor]

thanks

[prisma elk]

No ones really gonna stop you and also if it ain't broke don't fix it

[slate raptor]

but even then currently using marcille more for aoe scenarioes than anything else actually

[versed arrow]

myrtle+texas is fine, zima is not needed, -1dp is kinda assuming you had mod1 on texas. Most of the time tho, just deploying myrtle is enough for dp

[slate raptor]

for caster that can handle aoe

[slate raptor]

fair point on the zima part

idk i just like having my myrtle at 7 cost

[prisma elk]

I mean what else would you use her for other than quality of life once deployed just a bit of time to set up and boom infinite aoe skill

S1 heal is good but gets messed up once an enemy enters her range so idk why you would use her over a medic, there's some situations but it's hyper specific, also s3 is, it's something I never used I forgot what it does, I think it's like raining down everything all at once kinda skill but you would retreat her after cuz of Mana issues

[slate raptor]

true her s3 is just worse blaze alter s3 anyway

[prisma elk]

But yea that's that imo, too overkill dp strat but if you're comfortable with it and it works, I won't judge at all

[full terrace]

Yah it's bad. Pioneers are generally bad, especially the 5 Stars. Flagpipe's purpose is to generate DP quickly to deploy your laneholders right away, Pioneers do neither generate DP fast, nor lanehold pretty well unless it's units like Vulpisfoglia, Flametail, or Saga, and even that they still cant compare to unit like say, Mountain and Mountain isnt even considered great for today's standard. I'd suggest you drop the Texas/Zima setup unless you are playing afk anni.

Had you ask this in #help they'd have chewed you alive ngl

[versed arrow]

If this was #help they would have said "just use ines"

[slate raptor]

dont have ines bruh

[full terrace]

Also true, but they chew you first

[slate raptor]

bought mlynar instead of ines in select pack

[full terrace]

Good choice.

[versed arrow]

is there a way to make marc recast skill in stronghold? brought her once for more stuns for fun but she does not seems to cast skill again

[slate raptor]

and prolly gna be using suzumom more often for solo lane holding

[twilit tendon]

As a Texas zima enjoyer: yeah they suck. But I love zima so I don’t care

I have suzumom built I just do not care

[full terrace]

Anyway, Flagpipe setup doesnt need Pioneers is my point, like in this video #strategy message you can see triple Flags plus Agent are enough to deploy all the burst in time

And thats an extreme case, so for slower stages you dont actually need that much of a DP Generation, unless you are playing Vanguardknights for fun

[slate raptor]

its rare to find a texazima enjoyer

[slate raptor]

is 3flagpipe gud enuff?

[full terrace]

Is overkill 😅

But I guess you are the type that's comfortable with DP surplus so

[slate raptor]

kinda skeptic for puzzle cuz it seems like hes the slowest dp regen for agents imo

[glass monolith]

I use Puzzle as Utage with +1 range and delay on arts damage go brrrr activation

[celest bluff]

I feel like #help is the same people that would say "nearl defender are useless, just use saria"

[versed arrow]

depends on time of day, I saw ppl advising to not choose saria from selector earlier in the day since the person had e1 nearl and say he could wait for yu banner instead for 6 star defender

[slate raptor]

i call those meta slaves though

[slate raptor]

the same guys that recommends me to choose kal on the kernel pick pack even though theres gna be an upcoming kernel locate banner with kal on it

[regal lotus]

id like to ask help with Horn’s modules. I cant decide which is better, x or y? X lvl 1 helps with blocked enemies and the extra defender attack % seems minor…
where as y has a bunch of attack speed… any definite answers for which is better?

[civic bear]

What skill do u use

[slate raptor]

feels like more atk speed is better since it also increases her dps both on melee and ranged

[regal lotus]

mostly s3 but i just m3’d skill2

all 3 of her skills are so good jfc

[civic bear]

Aspd better for s3 but in higher end more atk more relevant cuz they typically use s1 s2

[slate raptor]

nvm the mod y only increases dps on ranged

[regal lotus]

is x worth to lvl 3 then

[civic bear]

You can let it be at mod1

[stray dune]

what the best squad for IS5?
is it still the old reliable tactical squad or there is something new?

[shell arch]

Pov: you play kinky snek woman holekayak insider intel squad

"How many upgraded *6. You want? "
"Yes "

[shell arch]

If you use s1 & s2, get the defender atk module
If you use s3, get the aspd module

It's like how fia case
Do you want more dph or dps

Given how physical atk interact with def, I'd get more dph to every similar question like chungus mod

[full terrace]

Blueprint Squad

You either pick up Lamp or Talon

[stray dune]

what about mimic squad?
seem interesting

[foggy basalt]

hi does anyone have a horn for stronghold protocol?

[full terrace]

Mimic effect is random, it's a new squad that came with Expansion I. If you got the ones with Survivor's Contract it's actually not that bad, but if you have a clear goal in mind, it's better to pick a squad that serves that purpose. Blueprint is generally best for majority of playstyles.

[shell arch]

I do but it's p1

[regal lotus]

thanks that sounds righr

[shell arch]

That will be 15 usd. I accept paypal (for legal reasons my lawyers said I need to clarify this was a joke)

[regal lotus]

puts wallet away oh.. haha.. right

[crystal glade]

what's dph?

[shell arch]

Damage per hour hit

[crystal glade]

hour was all i could think

thanks

[shell arch]

Where's my 15 dollars

[crystal glade]

it's in the mail

it's on you to find it from now on

[brisk surge]

@full terrace do you use horn s1 or s3 in stronghold

[full terrace]

S1 lol

[brisk surge]

im thinking of building her for normal play

i wonder if s2m3 is schizo

[shell arch]

I use s1 with hammers

S2 is fine if you have 0.25sp relic methinks

[brisk surge]

whar

[plush idol]

What are the recommended upgrades for sleep team? I recently E2'd Blemishine, I'd like to build this team and try it out before moving on to other nice teams.

[full terrace]

Kafka, Sora, Blacknight, Erato

@glass monolith you help the guy bro

[plush idol]

I know the operators, I don't know how much I should invest into them, especially Kafka. I don't think it's necessary to E2 max all of them with all skills M3.

[cyan gorge]

Erato for sure needs high investment since she's your best means of dps for sleep

Grain buds is also a sleep applier

Kafka's sleep isn't affected by levels or masteries so she doesn't need much investment, if any at all

[plush idol]

What about Sora? Is she fine at E1 max or does she need S1M3? And Iris too, unless she is not part of the team?

[cyan gorge]

I think Sora gets longer sleep or shorter cooldown, but i think mod is more important

don't take my word for it, idk much about non bird sleep ops

[plush idol]

Staying true to your name, nice

Still thank you, I'll wait for more information

[glass monolith]

I ma shamare debuff stacked IRL so no

[plush idol]

[full terrace]

Oops sorry, I have never deep dive into these niche 5 Stars and I dont want to offer opinions based on mostly theories, I only speak when I have experienced something myself and that I pushed them to the limit.

I thought Minus could help but seems like he is busy

Maybe try @civic bear if he isnt busy he usually will help

@elder flume is also the right person to ask about this but I guess it's his night time over there

He is probably sleeping

[plush idol]

I see, that's alright, thank you. I don't have the resources to build all of them at once anyways, just wanted to have a good idea of how much I should invest instead of blindly maxing out everything. Maybe I could send DMs to these people and wait until they can reply? I won't have to ask in this channel another time.

[brisk surge]

its 5 am for rain

and me

but im insane so im still awake

[cyan gorge]

I can say for certain Blacknight, Blemi, and Erato need module and masteries to do effective damage, Kafka might be better left e0. The rest idk about

[plush idol]

Kafka is already E1 level 1 😅

[waxen dome]

Guys, I think I messed up by going all in on lappy banner (200 pulls), after seeing how insane leumen and Exi alter are, I regret pulling for lappy.

Someone console me, or I'll literally start crying rn.

[brisk surge]

reroll

[full terrace]

Go to #arknights I'm sure people there will console you

[crystal python]

they wont be in the game for at least 6 months. youre fine

[full terrace]

This channel is for theorycrafting and stage-clearing discussion

[wicked minnow]

assuming you want to play a niche such as sleepknights, you'd want to max everything fully anyway. also eblana is a very recommended unit for that niche. easily the strongest unit there so save for her ig. also also from the units i know, erato is perfectly usable for sleeping at e1 with skill level 7. the only difference she gets is more damage (which is a huge ass difference so you'd want to max her eventually anyway)

[waxen dome]

Oh, I thought people will tell me about the strategy to how to pull and get both lemuen and exu alt.

[waxen dome]

But I guess "reroll" Is a good enough strategy

[full terrace]

Dont ping me for this thank you very much

[brisk surge]

[wicked minnow]

just like save all your pulls. also you had the time to see exualt/lemuen performance first before you pulled if you cared about meta. there's some good banners here and there but exualt and lemuen is the big one. 6 months is a long ass time and should be enough to guarantee both lemuen and exu

[waxen dome]

Oh well, I also wanna get Yu sui as well. But I guess I'll just wait and see.

[brisk surge]

I cast 400 pulls only get 1 character

[waxen dome]

Also, I love the povertyknights in your name

[wicked minnow]

it's for welfare only
some very wise sarkaz coined it and i take it with pride

[brisk surge]

It's literally quilon

[full terrace]

Since when you went from Welfare to Poverty

[brisk surge]

Cuz quilon called him that in help chat

[full terrace]

😂😂😂

[wicked minnow]

i will never forgive him

[brisk surge]

There we go I found it

[full terrace]

🤣

And he renamed himself to Povertyknights, I like that sense of humor

I read the continuation of that convo in search for a good entertainment drama

What I found: "Get leaked with 30 Shields" LOL

[brisk surge]

i love help chat because these bickering between regulars are really funny sometimes

[full terrace]

He leaked the person smh

[brisk surge]

i cant wait for the rerun

[full terrace]

@pure orchid yo bro, look at this rat casually spawning in Elusive Merc 😂😂

[brisk surge]

i need resources so badly

no shoes wisadel in elusive

[remote perch]

Did you know that the rat will face the direction with the most units

So if u just retreat all of ur units except Wis then just dump the rest to the right side, rat will face right so Wis can kill it faster

[dark mantle]

wtf 3 hands

[steel prairie]

whats a good 4/5 star thats closest to Wis ???

[full terrace]

Yah I do that often in early floors. I had quite a bit of firepower that run with the Bone and whatnots so I intentionally waited for him to come to Asca's range 😄

[remote perch]

Greyy Alter is also a Flinger, if that counts as closest to Wis

[steel prairie]

Grey ??? you mean Grey Throat ??? also she has an alter ???

[full terrace]

Greyy the Lightningbearer

[limber fox]

E these some kind of clans or what

[steel prairie]

also I thought Wis is a Arty sniper

[remote perch]

Greyy, not Greythoat, thats why it has double y

[full terrace]

She is a Flinger

Fiammetta is Artillery

[limber fox]

Greyy the lightningbearer is a dog kid

If that helps u

[steel prairie]

oh

[full terrace]

How did you know I got 3 hands? Is there a visual difference in the chibis?

[full terrace]

No need shoes. Didnt you ask about this before? I sent you the Emergency Elusive Merc clear awhile ago

There #strategy message

Still, avoid it tho, for your own safety

I avoid it myself unless it's absolutely necessary to do it

[limber fox]

Shoeless wisadel

[dark mantle]

logos assclown wis

pretty easy to tell

[full terrace]

Okay fair 😂

[brisk surge]

i cant load your vids so i forgot about it

💔

let me download it

i guess it still requires a lot of ops

[full terrace]

It does

[brisk surge]

so if i dont have ines its cooked

(kinda)

[full terrace]

Its crazy that stage, just avoid it like a plague

[dark mantle]

no ines e.elusive merc is cooked

don't even attempt it

[full terrace]

If you dont have Ines dont even think of entering Emergency one

[brisk surge]

do you have one for reg army

[full terrace]

Reg Army is easy

[brisk surge]

[full terrace]

Helidrop Ulpi on the cars, then deploy Wis/Logos on the Camouflage tiles

[brisk surge]

i guess i havent played enough of expac 1

[cyan gorge]

Greyy but keep in mind flingers don't hit flying enemies, Wis s3 is the sole exception

[leaden sierra]

I finally did it, jesus MT-S-3 CM is harder than the actual boss stage if you're on low end.

[steel prairie]

ik that... also thats why I thought Wis is much closer to a Arty sniper rather than a flinger

[cyan gorge]

Nah she just ignores the fucking rules

[steel prairie]

LOL

btw I manage to finally beat 8-3... after 12 hours

[cyan gorge]

jt8-3?

[steel prairie]

I just hate the pillars rng... sometimes they dont spawn in the place you got covered

[steel prairie]

yeah... Tal

[cyan gorge]

noice

[steel prairie]

honestly tho I hate the RNG maps... you have to be lucky in a strategy game

[cyan gorge]

Compared to later gimmicks, that's easy

[steel prairie]

yeah

btw is there any defenders/tanks that can be placed where range units are ???

[cyan gorge]

none so far

if you mean tanks, phalanx casters exist

[steel prairie]

ok

why is my Lappa refusing to hit the pillar ???

[cyan gorge]

Ops only target pillar if directly adjacent to it

that goes for both ranged and melee

the only way to knock that specific pillar down is to intentionally blow up the flamethrower dude

[steel prairie]

so you have to be RIGHT next to it ?

[cyan gorge]

yes

[stone sparrow]

Thoughts on this team idea: Goldenglow, LappTop, Yu, Mon3tr, Kaltsit, TexAlter, Shu, Executor Alter, Bagpipe, Myrtle, Ines, Flex (likely Skalter or Ptilopsis)?

I personally think this team could be incredibly powerful and versatile to handle a good deal of stages.

[cyan gorge]

Why 3 vgs

and very arts heavy too

[stone sparrow]

I have no real Snipers so I intend to work around it. TexAlter is there for RES shred and Yu can enable the Mech Accords.

[full terrace]

Here #strategy message

Here is an example #strategy message

[stone sparrow]

Bagpipe is for Myrtle to stack DP quickly to get the relevant core units fast.

Ines is in case enemies are dropping too fast so I would have her to stack DP instead.

[full terrace]

You only need 1 Vanguard for most stages. If you need 2 Vanguards then just use your free slot

[cyan gorge]

why not just Ines alone

[full terrace]

Tell him, bro Zenith

[cyan gorge]

I'd drop bag and keep myrtle if I really needed that extra dp

[stone sparrow]

Bag can supply SP for Ines in this instance. She isn't really going to be dropped under most circumstances. Getting Ines to use her S2 immediately on spawn thanks to Bagpipe would help.

[cyan gorge]

5 seconds is nothing cause bind

Bag is just a dead slot

[stone sparrow]

Plus in some instances having 2 immediate vanguards can help in a pinch (farm stages with fast spawning enemies on start).

Team is generally DP hungry at start

[full terrace]

Are you looking for inputs or looking for debate btw? People tell you what you need for general contents. Slots are very precious in some contents, you should not waste them like that.

[cyan gorge]

what kind of team are you running where you need that much dp in the first 10 seconds?

[full terrace]

Listen to Zenith's inputs if you really want an opinion, otherwise just do as you wish it's your game.

[cyan gorge]

the less vgs used the better imo

[stone sparrow]

It's both. Since I have a limited set of units, I prefer to take input and work around it.

[full terrace]

Then I'm out, I aint doing debate

[stone sparrow]

I don't expect to be optimal

[full terrace]

Best of luck to you Zenith my friend

[cyan gorge]

I don't have the energy for a full debate either

I pretty much said my piece

[stone sparrow]

Alright, so Ines can work by herself. I also recognize that she needs enemies to farm DP. From what I have seen from support she needs to hit enemies and use S2 to gain DP.

Bind can help in stalling the enemy until she gains SP for said skill.

[cyan gorge]

Rushes of trash mobs are exactly where Ines shines

[stone sparrow]

Cool, then would it be considered somewhat possible to switch out either myrtle or Ines depending on the stages?

Ines for swarms

and Myrtle for drawn out stages

[cyan gorge]

Myrtle should be a flex pick only in cases where you need that immediate burst of dp, otherwise she's a dead slot

[stone sparrow]

I see. I'll keep that in mind. Apologies if my wording implied I am trying to argue otherwise. I like to try and work around what my account has and build something with it.

It sometimes leads to unorthodox teams in other gachas, but it hasn't really failed me from my experience.

[cyan gorge]

The beauty of arknights is that aside from super difficult high end content such as high risk cc and high diff IS, you can pretty much get away with your favorites

[steel prairie]

problem is that sometimes it feels like your doing calculus hw

[elder flume]

Who have awaken me from my slumber

[steel prairie]

oh thx btw I beat 8-3...

[elder flume]

Wis strat yeah

[steel prairie]

but honestly I hate the pillar rng... especially when they spawn out of range

[stone sparrow]

But yeah, the team is heavy Arts mainly because the game refuses to give me any snipers. Been mainly using Wisadel Support in certain stages while I am building this team.

[elder flume]

Forcefully removing her phase 1

[steel prairie]

also a slight change I made is replacing Silence with Kal... tho its because I need to use mon3ter as a meat shield

[stone sparrow]

TexAlter should supposedly help in reducing the obvious flaw that comes with going too arts and I have units that can work to supercharge the damage output to make RES not too much of an issue.

[full terrace]

I did, sorry 😂

Someone was asking about sleepknights before

[stone sparrow]

I do use Skalter in case I want to go full nuke on the enemy.

[cyan gorge]

You still want strong phys damage anyways if you really want that balanced team you want

[full terrace]

Thought you could give them inputs so I pinged you

[elder flume]

Sleep isnt really my niche

[full terrace]

They did say they'd DM you about it

[elder flume]

Only sleepers i use are Kafka Sora Erato

[stone sparrow]

True, I have Mlynar and Executor Alter. Not exactly the best for physical damage but it's not small either.

[full terrace]

THATS PLENTY SLEEPERS LMFAO

[elder flume]

And even then its E0 50 Erato with Nothing tech

[stone sparrow]

But Mlynar feels like an emergency tbh

I could be very wrong

[cyan gorge]

He's less emergency than Wis borrow

[stone sparrow]

xD true.

Mlynar did help me finish my Base Resource farming

I know that final stage must be easy these days

but yeah his S3 carries that final wave of enemies

[cyan gorge]

SK stages were brutal, I remember

[elder flume]

Vanguardknights however i do play like 30% of the time because i like breaking game mechanics with overflowing dp

And going 8+ VG is worth if you know what youre doing

[full terrace]

RIP that person I told them to ask you 🤣

[stone sparrow]

Ok... updating the team idea, I'll replace Myrtle with Mlynar then and make the flex slot take Skalter then.

I think this could be solid enough

still not a lot of physical, but at least I have it

[steel prairie]

is Skalter Skadi alt ???

[stone sparrow]

yup

[steel prairie]

ah

[cyan gorge]

Personally I'd drop GG or Lapp for a sniper

[stone sparrow]

hmmm... Much as it would be nice, not only do I have no good snipers whatsoever, but most of the damage would come from GG and Lapp synergizing with Yu.

Plus Mon3tr would supercharge their ATK Speed with her S2

I would love a Narantuya though 😦

[steel prairie]

am I suppose to knock over that pillar and clump up my units in the circle area ???

[cyan gorge]

they come from left too

[stone sparrow]

Been using Kroos in the instance that I absolutely require a Sniper.

That's how starved I am of snipers 😐

[steel prairie]

ik that... well shit

damn... one of my best arts DPS no longer exist and now I am screwed

I have like 0 arts characters now

[cyan gorge]

so yeah if you knock that pillar up, you only have 2 or 3 lanes to worry about

chap 9 is the most anti arts chapter in the game tho

[stone sparrow]

Looks like my Tex Alter is going to work overtime

[steel prairie]

true... but Im desperate need of AOE... btw is there physical AOE or no all AOE attacks are arts ??

[cyan gorge]

flinger and artilleryman snipers

[dapper hedge]

Pinecone

[cyan gorge]

actually just use Pinecone

[steel prairie]

wait I thought Wis is arts no ???

[cyan gorge]

her summons do arts but Wis herself deals phys

[stone sparrow]

I have Pinecone, I can replace Mlynar with Pinecone when the chapter comes.

[final obsidian]

Why Mlynar is one of the best physical DPS in the game

[full terrace]

His total damage is high, yet it isnt compressed like Degen

[stone sparrow]

I won't be getting Degen anytime soon. Her rerun banner is right before Yu

which is.... uggg

[full terrace]

Currently 90k-ish, but after Liberator Module he goes to 100k+

[stone sparrow]

And I saved more than enough pulls to spark Yu and get Shu on the banner

so I literally can't pull the degen banner

unless I want to sac my wallet

[full terrace]

Read this #help message

Lemme copy paste it:

Liberator module: after deployment, +100% bonus initially
mlynar: +360HP, +35atk, +7aspd ATK increased to 110%-> 120% when attacking. If there are 3 or more enemies nearby, ATK increased to 115% -> 125%, and take 15%-> 25% less damage

mlynar: 3984 DPH (+265 true dmg) * 23 hits = ~97k total dmg pre module
mod3: 4725 DPH (+315 true dmg) * 24 hits = ~120k total dmg

[brisk surge]

hi shat

i have came to the conclusion

that i might need to spark dusk for base

[full terrace]

😂

I also plan to

[steel prairie]

WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO DO AGAINST THIS ENEMY ???

NOTHIN CAN KILL IT

ALL MY UNITS JUST TICKLES IT

[cyan gorge]

bring stronger phys damage

[steel prairie]

bruhhh... the strongest one I have is Blaze, Chen, Skadi, and Zuo but none of them can deal enough to kill it

actually Skadi did solo once but she has like 1 hp left

also wtf Blaze only deals like 1 atk on it wtf ???

[remote perch]

did you know
Ranged Physical DPS exist