strategy

[brisk surge]

i see kaz files when i close my eyes

[trail crag]

Not Gopnik but i always had the "luck" to get Stages in IS where Gopnik was with other Enemys, and Gopnik steamrolled through your Operators, making space for the other Enemys

[fathom pivot]

Ch’en or Mylnar

[lofty stag]

I don’t get it, gopnik literally shows up at the end of most is stages

After all enemies are dead

[somber falcon]

only place he shows up early is if you challenge him

[lofty stag]

Unless you are taking WAY too long to kill the main enemies

[trail crag]

There are also some where he appears early, that i remember

[somber falcon]

which is kinda on you

[lofty stag]

That’s a different scenario

And yah

Kinda on the player

[trail crag]

whatever, not everyone is a super knowledgeable super Generalissimo who breezes through the various IS game modes like its a Picknick 🤣

[somber falcon]

never tried stalling that long so I'll take your word for it

[lofty stag]

I don’t wanna stall for that long to find out

Plus

Wisadel

[somber falcon]

my brother in christ
you literally see his image on the encounter, and the choice clearly says "head onto battle" or smth

[trail crag]

Last time i actually played IS 2 was at least 2 1/2 years, IS 3 at least 1 1/2 years and i only played a few Rounds in IS4 a year ago.
Didnt even try IS5

[lofty stag]

Is5 is quite easy 🥱

We don’t talk about d15ed4 tho 🥹

[trail crag]

You cant see every Stage from the beginning in IS modes so you cant exactly tell which stages are what. if your unlucky and choose for example Path 2, but then you come to a Battle with like Gopnik later that you couldnt see before and you cant change paths

[lofty stag]

Just skip it then

[trail crag]

And how do you skip it? going in and let every enemy through gives you a Game Over

[somber falcon]

that's different
gopnik by default is an rng spawn on combat nodes

what I mentioned is an encounter node

which as the name says, you encounter him
and then choose either fight him or leave him be

[fathom pivot]

Its two ch’ens and a Mylnar

[elder flume]

Chen is good

[fathom pivot]

In this event?

[somber falcon]

ye

[fathom pivot]

huh

[keen gull]

Mlynar is the doodoo one

[somber falcon]

just shing shing faster smh

[fathom pivot]

hold on
who do I replace?

[full terrace]

Pick Chen

[fathom pivot]

alr did

[full terrace]

She slows down enemies, which is pretty good if you dont have Asca

[somber falcon]

astgenne ig

[full terrace]

And she was a meta operator long ago until Wisadel happened

[fathom pivot]

top or bottom

[somber falcon]

[elder flume]

bottom

she dies faster on top

[somber falcon]

i wonder how effective reed will be if she's on red tile

[elder flume]

with S2 shes decent

i tried it with Ulpi blocking in front

[fathom pivot]

Ch’en S2?

[elder flume]

Reed

[fathom pivot]

oh.

[full terrace]

I run S3 😏

[fathom pivot]

[fathom pivot]

me too

[full terrace]

Not talking about Chen, I replied to Rain

[elder flume]

only skill you want to change is prob just Pluma really

the rest are okay at base

[fathom pivot]

Also I should def move Matter to the back right

[full terrace]

S2 is a good dps skill but I mean

[trail crag]

Tried to bring the support thing to level 6 as fast as i could but well.. i really stick with the lower difficulty, even if it takes a bit longer for all Rewards..
Thanks nonetheless

[full terrace]

Out of 20~30 enemies there is only like 1 or 2 Elite/Leader

[elder flume]

Pluma is not getting that S2 in time kekw

[full terrace]

Might as well S3 and watch everything burns

[keen gull]

Core protocol is where the fun is at

[somber falcon]

can you ss the enemy placement?

[trail crag]

Nope dont think so if its only frustrating and annoying to lose 3 trys one after the other 😅

[keen gull]

3trys not enuf

5th try trust me

[trail crag]

already trying it for the last 1 1/2 hours or so.. have other things to do now like doing my daily stuff in ZZZ and Genshin for now and i need a break from it now ^^

[elder flume]

rest well

[fathom pivot]

Cant because I already won

[somber falcon]

congrats

[fathom pivot]

Also during the battle
I saw Wis’adel not consume ammo and was confused why till I read Ch’en traits

[somber falcon]

[fathom pivot]

I did not know that

[keen gull]

My lapluma just soloed a kazimier boss wtf

[somber falcon]

[desert prairie]

Its pretty common yeah

The pool is biased on ely

Also increase your monitor graphic

Ely is more blurry than my future career there

[somber falcon]

I'm just playing on windowed

[rich plover]

PV EX 8 CM is the same strat yea?

[somber falcon]

if you don't depend on redeploying in normal, yeah

[full terrace]

I didnt make Low-End for EX-8 coz nobody asked but you can use this for reference #strategy message

[rich plover]

Shiet, I forgot how I did EX-8

Cuz Mountain ain't living for the right side

Man, the Balla coi Lupi is more annoying in CM

Bruh, what the heck is up with PV S 5

Unlike the normal stages, Lappland goes down in like 4 boss damaging skills

[elder flume]

im done

total grind time is 8 hours

9 actually

[small anchor]

Ok I feel stupid for asking this but how do I beat 6-16 on normal

[full terrace]

Why you cloned those Pepes but didnt use them 😂

[bold lance]

I was honestly kinda looking forward to seeing 9 Pepes hammering some sarkaz down

[elder flume]

So that i will get opsless clear screen

[elder flume]

Wis S3 on bottom tile face up to hit boss
Boss is now dead
Only mobs left

I shouldve put CS as T6 but run was alr going so rip

[small anchor]

alright thanks i suppose

[smoky parcel]

can you reroll free operators?

[elder flume]

No

[smoky parcel]

F

[elder flume]

Why not Gladiia

Setup for Ulpi

[elder flume]

Its round 7
They all die to 1 Pepe lmao

I might do another run for 9 CS clear later

[glass monolith]

Sounds like cursed spell of summoning Kazimier drone

[elder flume]

All 9 CS could actually attack

Better than Pepe solo carry

[elfin river]

Guys, do we know who force heal those who cannot be healed otherwise from other medics? I'm trying to deal with Talulah H CM.

[lofty stag]

You mean passive healing?

[elfin river]

If that's what's called, yes.

I remember some can heal them, even if they cannot be healed by normal medics, but I forgot who.

[lofty stag]

Is there an op you feel needs healing in your comp?

[elfin river]

Like Penance

[lofty stag]

If she needs healing, then she’s not helpful for the lvl

[elfin river]

The issue is Talulah's fireballs.

[lofty stag]

Simple fix: nightingale

[elfin river]

Saw her in the Abyssal Hunter video. Sadly, I don't have her.

Not even Skalter.

[lofty stag]

And I take it your support slot is being used?

[elfin river]

Nah, not used.

[lofty stag]

Just use a support ng then

[elfin river]

I feellike some need some lvling up to buff their defense.

[lofty stag]

Wait I believe you misunderstand what I meant by support

I meant the 13th op that you can use from a friend

[elfin river]

Nah, I'll try support NG. Will try.

[lofty stag]

Also, enmity ops may not be a good pick against talullah

You’re better off using traditional def/hp sponges

[elfin river]

Thought so.

I'll have to lvl up some defenders to max before I retry.

[lofty stag]

Do you have ulpi?

Any other ah op?

[elfin river]

Current team.

So I'll need to max some of them up and try support NG.

I have Lappy to get rid of the drones fast.

I recently got Hoshi, so she's not entirely maxed yet. Just E2'ed Eyja.

[lofty stag]

Hoshi main skill is s2 fyi

[versed arrow]

you doing the firewave stage with civilians? dont need max level ops for it. ng on skill can cover almost all the lanes, just throw ops or ng's cage to tank the last one

[elfin river]

Yep, that one.

[lofty stag]

You also have Shu

[elfin river]

"...to tank the last one" who?

[fiery marsh]

I dont have those ops to try but i think it is perfectly doable

[lofty stag]

Shu has crazy burst healing to help

[versed arrow]

if you deploy and retreat ng early, you can deploy her again for 3 cages to tank the firewaves

[elfin river]

Ah, gotcha.

[lofty stag]

Plus you have ulpi gladiia

They can easily tank as well

[elfin river]

Like those weird dolls of hers?

[fiery marsh]

With nightgale and shu you probally is imortal

[opaque stirrup]

talu is a push over anyway

[fiery marsh]

Nowadays talulah would have burn mechanic

[elfin river]

[glass monolith]

Or not because it makes 0 sense to have you suffer from "statuses" and use (nobody do ) status resistance for like 4 chapters then and switch to different keyword which outside of few side events mainly used in different ark and need different type of medic to counter

It is like if they designed event where enemy become stronger when hit by Vent and then make boss who gets weaker when hit by vent out of nowhere.... Wait

[elfin river]

Got past this in practice. Time for the real fun.

Surprisingly, Ulpipi can survive the fireball wave.

[flint tulip]

13 - 18 adverse is actually very easy if you just rush destroying the revival things
My utage E2 40 just melted down the big defender guy from the upper side and then the revival thing became 100% vulnerable
On the lower side i just keep beating the small enemies and then also destroyed very easy the revival thing
My Borrowed mylnar destroyed the casters, the boss and all the other big red defender guys that ever dared to try him

Crownslayer was cool to hold the boss to so mylnar could recharge his skill after killing the casters
And did you knowed? If the 'boss" here is stunned, it will interrupt its special skill

And bru i am liking so much to use my kalsit

[prisma elk]

Hey @keen gull , I did it, the dare you asked, reached wave 29, but I just figured out a strat that can take it beyond it, since I figured out now how to specifically only kill 1 drone

[elder flume]

29 and still less time than my run

[prisma elk]

What's your highest wave lmao

[elder flume]

Nah i went for lowest wave

[prisma elk]

Ohhh gotcha

[elder flume]

But run time was 9 hours

A lot of rerolling

[prisma elk]

Wait like 9 hour actual run? Or 9 hours total?

[elder flume]

Actual run

[elfin river]

Done. Waiting for the civs to get in

[prisma elk]

Wha, how?!

Oh wait, is it rng on the fight?

[elder flume]

.

Its rng starting

[prisma elk]

Wow... Damn...

That's more strategizing than what I'm doing...

Holy...

[elder flume]

You can oneshot a round with shield stacking

So 45 shield + win will kill a faction immediately

T3 arts has a 5 shield item

[prisma elk]

Do you think I could possibly reach wave 40 with this strat?

[elder flume]

If you count how many enemies there are per round and match the shield after their breach buff sure

But arts are rare and i can go an hour of reroll without finding one so lol

[brisk surge]

thats quite insane

[prisma elk]

I have a specific strat that I just found where I can technically get infinite wave if the buffs stop happening at wave 25

Since one drone leak always ties the rounds

[elder flume]

As long as you kill everything else then

[prisma elk]

It's the reason why I died here, since I was limit testing my way of killing one drone in different positions

[elder flume]

Logos strat guarantees any op you want

[prisma elk]

Logos like, the commander?

[elder flume]

Ye

[prisma elk]

What doe sit do exactly?

[elder flume]

-1 op cost but +1 everything else

So ops cost 2

But Karlan File is -2 to Karlan so they become 0

And if you sell them they become +1

Money printing

[prisma elk]

Do you have a video of the set up?

I want to do the opposite side of what you did, limit breaking the wave numbers

I'll make sure to ping and credit you once I brag about it in salt mines lmao

[elder flume]

I can record up to round 6 ig but showing it for long isnt good for length

Its 3 am so later

Cuz im making 9 CS clear

[prisma elk]

9 crownslayers?

[elder flume]

Yuh

[prisma elk]

Thanks a lot, I just kinda need to see the set up happen for the infinite cash thing

You can just dm me the vid if ever or ping me if you send it

Since i guess we share the same time zone being 3 am here too but I'll probably be offline till noon lmao

[elder flume]

Indo?

[prisma elk]

Above a little, Phil

[elder flume]

Hoh

[prisma elk]

Ye

Thanks a lot for showing me the strat, it might actually be the key to limit breaking blecks dare lmao

[brisk surge]

wtf

go to bed

[prisma elk]

Yea I probably should

[fresh jewel]

hmm first time attempting foundation protocol and uh... it didn't go well

I let mobs leak at the beginning to get funds quickly for wis/logos

was that a dumb move?

[elder flume]

Bring Wis to T5

Easier to get

4 ops sounds low for round 14

[prisma elk]

Don't worry, always know someone lost at wave 29 so you'll feel better and be less demotivated lmao

[fresh jewel]

i had an extremely trash luck, i refreshed over 60 times and i kept getting bad ops

[opaque stirrup]

uh what r those bad ops exactly

[fresh jewel]

the ones that the game gives you

[fresh jewel]

how many waves are there in total?

[opaque stirrup]

like 3 stars ?

most of the ops r ones that the game gives u in this mode

[prisma elk]

I'm testing it rn, right @opaque stirrup

[opaque stirrup]

u can add like 4 ops total

[opaque stirrup]

if u aren't crazy and just want to win
usually u win around round 15-18

try kal start

most consistent

always pick stat buffs if you could

[fresh jewel]

i kept getting raidian and tulip

with over 60 refreshes i only found 2 wis and 1 logos breh

[prisma elk]

I recommend doing Mayuhikos strat of defenderknights

[prisma elk]

You could replace that with Chalter and Eyja btw

[fresh jewel]

hmm i will check it out

[opaque stirrup]

u can get support to replace those in logistics

[fresh jewel]

no friends . i guess it's time to add friends

[opaque stirrup]

yeah it makes life easier

radian sucks

[prisma elk]

Other than Pith and Mechanist, all those reserve ops are useless, well except Touch too I guess cuz she's a medic

[opaque stirrup]

u can replace up to 8 units

[prisma elk]

From someone who actually played reserve ops only ft. reedic

[elder flume]

I tried getting Pepe from T6 and none of the merge bonus gave her
Had to just use Kazi File and duplicate her

[fresh jewel]

so the best tactic is to get as many wisadel as possible and put wisadel in tier 5?

[opaque stirrup]

if u have wisadel she curb stomps this(like everything else)

not exactly best

I like lapp alter here

[prisma elk]

But do keep in mind, any operator you can replace is like 100℅ better than the reserve ops, for Mechanists it's maybe 50℅ ish better not as bad but the others you would love to have GG or Reedic over Pith and Touch any day of the week

[willow sun]

you'll still die to double hp scaling but just reroll

[opaque stirrup]

she deals a lot of dmg with res ignore eq and caster buff

[willow sun]

nop i prefer touch over reedic cause i give her elite mini accel and she's a sp fountain

[brisk surge]

i prefer touching you

[opaque stirrup]

just get sp eq

[elder flume]

Its arguable that AH is more wanted for braindead clearing
Nothing is stopping you from AH + Wis tho

[willow sun]

bozo your arm's aren't that long

[brisk surge]

also im twitch chat i dont stream

[south spindle]

hi youtube

[prisma elk]

Oh fuck I forgot about that mb, yea the others are way better but in some situations Mechanist and Touch might be better for you than Reedic and Hoshi

One prime example is Pith tier V cuz her skills buffs all casters by 35℅ and it stacks

[opaque stirrup]

yeah but that means u r usin pith

[willow sun]

i fucking hate pith 🥹

[prisma elk]

Don't bad mouth my reserve ops queen!!! Lmao, she's like probably the only real dps you'll ever have to beat the game with reserve ops only, or like reserve ops and one borrow only lmao

[fresh jewel]

hmm what you mean with double hp scaling?

[prisma elk]

But that's my stupid challenge so fair enough lmao

[willow sun]

two hp scalings

one +
one regular

normal trash mobs will have 100k+ hp by round 15

you explode

[fresh jewel]

bruh

[opaque stirrup]

yeah I ain't doin that
this mode sucks Idk how u have the patience for this

[willow sun]

just don't roll double hp

and you can win every time

deadass

[fresh jewel]

how do enemies buff work? i kinda skipped that part during the tutorial

do enemies roll for buffs? so it's a rng thing? i gotta pray that the enemies dont roll that buff?

[opaque stirrup]

or just get kal and enjoy +45% stats by last buff round and get wisadel lapp alter to deal all the damage

[prisma elk]

Oh fuck theres a double hp buffs for the enemies?!

[opaque stirrup]

bonus if u have zuo lee sayin no u to everything tryin to get past him

or like rain said
ah squad abuse

[opaque stirrup]

sometimes

only time I lost with kal squad was that run

[willow sun]

hp+ and regen scaling

:icant:

[opaque stirrup]

tho I had pretty shit rng to couple with it

[willow sun]

kill me now

i once had that

on round 20

they were outhealing mlynar

actually fucked

[opaque stirrup]

outhealing mlynar is diabolical

[brisk surge]

theacc lost

[prisma elk]

Wow damn, I just had these buffs

[fresh jewel]

are the enemies buff completely rng?

[prisma elk]

Idk it seems to be a pattern

[opaque stirrup]

the +1 damage to objective is such a troll move

knights on r13 tho

tough time

[prisma elk]

But I somehow stopped getting enemy buffs at wave 25 actually, well after wave 25 so technically I stopped getting buffs at the beginning of wave 26, that's the last buff I got, after that to wave 29 theres no buff at all

[opaque stirrup]

maybe they thought u either won or be dead by now which u should have been

[prisma elk]

Imagine the fucking bugs against convicts lmao, the one that duplicates into 3 fast mfs after dying

[prisma elk]

I might be kinda stupid as doctor giving shit advice at #help sometimes but if someone dares me to do something, I will fucking do the most committed joke to actually doing it lmao

I watched technoblade growing up so I guess I got the commitment to the bit lesson from him lmao

[opaque stirrup]

it's not about shit advice
or anything just u know commit to something else

ak is just a game

all this passion should go to something more profitable u clearly have the drive

[prisma elk]

I mean to be fair one non elite enemy literally takes all your shield

[opaque stirrup]

[prisma elk]

Dw it's a hobby commitment lmao, I'm also trying out the YT grind, probably might post this probably might not

[still vessel]

🤝

[prisma elk]

So it's a win win in my book, actually trying out the content grind and making blecks dare like it's nothing

Bad it's been fun so far, I don't want to sound like a masochist but it is lmao

[still vessel]

Autochess will always be fun for me

[prisma elk]

But yea actually, the next buff expected by the pattern is actually the +1 leak damage, so if it doesn't come at wave 30,then it's virtually infinite waves

[opaque stirrup]

wanted to install old auto chess after this cuz the mode doesn't capture the charm

[brisk surge]

Nerd

[prisma elk]

Since if they do expect people to be dead or win by wave 24 then they probably didn't code any more buffs beyond what the playtesters reached

Meaning yea just expect AK tubers after seeing a screenshot of wave 99+ spreading around lmao

[languid garden]

what operator do i need/borrow for PV-S-5? this stage felt very hard for me

[opaque stirrup]

eyja alter

U have enough healing but ele is worth

remove ptilo snd get mlynar or wis u don't have enough physical damage

[glass monolith]

Lapp dumber don't reach tile directly in front of top blue box with normal attacks

[languid garden]

so i borrow a wis or a mlynar?

[full terrace]

Mainly dps. It's better if you take Wisadel there

[opaque stirrup]

wis she still has more damage snd survivability

[full terrace]

Bunch of FRDs you are on the right track

PV-S-5 requires a bit of rdps

[prisma elk]

Btw @elder flume do you need the 20 free rerolls at wave 7 buff or you just need it for speed run? I'm trying to get the start of the strat rn, also is it actually just virtually infinite cash evey single round or just that one round where you get the combo? I'm sorry I forgot you live in the same time zone as me and probably offline ;-;

[languid garden]

oke i'll try use wisadel

[opaque stirrup]

but yeah just don't like commit too hard on skills before lapp loses damage reduction

[full terrace]

Is this Normal or Challenge Mode you are attempting?

[opaque stirrup]

looks like normal cuz of start icon

[brisk surge]

They didn't setup fireworks

💔

[opaque stirrup]

more of a liability here tbh than anything

[still vessel]

[opaque stirrup]

I usually just a put slow aura around the fire thingy

[brisk surge]

Disagree but you can have your opinion

[brisk surge]

Go to bed

[fresh jewel]

how big is the difference between tier 5 wis and tier 6 wis?

[still vessel]

Bro it’s almost 2pm here

[opaque stirrup]

20 levels+m3 +1mod I think

[still vessel]

Worth putting in t5 to get earlier

[brisk surge]

Wait a minute I gotta go to bed

[opaque stirrup]

but it implies u actually get there first

[still vessel]

Yes it’s your bed time, not mine.

[still vessel]

Ain’t hard chief

You can get barge lvl5 by round 7

[opaque stirrup]

I meant to elite t6 wis

[brisk surge]

I've been rolling 5-6 wis every run

I'm truly the wis drafter

[still vessel]

T6 is different story I barely get any even at barge lvl6

[still vessel]

[opaque stirrup]

yeah t5 is obv easier to get

[lofty stag]

Is it not 5 am for you go to sleep

[opaque stirrup]

that's why I use lapp alter and zuo there

[brisk surge]

Its 4 47

[still vessel]

Like 3am for him

[opaque stirrup]

truly a unit of all time

[brisk surge]

Why is this frenchie telling me to sleep

[still vessel]

Lapp alter and gg are great for this mode

[brisk surge]

[lofty stag]

I am this close to shooting you

[still vessel]

Global range is kinda busted

Just get sp regen on Lapp

And it’s like 30-20 sec skill cycle

[brisk surge]

Unironically S2 is kinda better in this mode

[opaque stirrup]

problem with global range is how the ai works

[still vessel]

There isn’t anything you don’t want to target tho

In stronghold

[opaque stirrup]

only activatin a skill when enemies r in range is such a shitty drawback

[brisk surge]

Also don't get sucked into the rabbit hole of "global" skill setups

They are not good

[still vessel]

Indeed mlynar kinda sucks cause of that

Gotta wait for an enemy to be right in front of him

[opaque stirrup]

eh I win consistently with lapp alter and gg

[still vessel]

Ok

[opaque stirrup]

don't think it's the set up it's just the eq u get

[still vessel]

I don’t go for a global setup

But the skill gives a lot of util it’s nice

[opaque stirrup]

zuo goat

[still vessel]

Fear + silence is good

Especially against those ice spiders

Fucking hate them

[opaque stirrup]

seriously hate ice enemies

[brisk surge]

See ice

Reset run

🚬

[still vessel]

Fr but I need to get the enemy info

[opaque stirrup]

[still vessel]

So at least one run required

[opaque stirrup]

it's over after 15 wins yeah

I did all the medals I am quitting this mode lol

[still vessel]

I’m done with 5 core runs

[brisk surge]

I'm gonna force you to 620 the next cc payday

You better be ready

[still vessel]

[brisk surge]

[still vessel]

What does that mean

[opaque stirrup]

isn't 620 the r18 equivalent

[brisk surge]

He's 2 weeks into the game

[still vessel]

[brisk surge]

🤫

[opaque stirrup]

still ?

shouldn't be tough

[still vessel]

Tf are these numbers

620? r18? cc?

[brisk surge]

It's funny gamemode

[opaque stirrup]

so 620 is the amount of extra danger u take for max reward on the contingency contract(cc)

[still vessel]

[brisk surge]

I'm probably gonna go for 900 if I can

[still vessel]

So you’re asking me to run gore with hope equipment or what

[opaque stirrup]

r18 is risk 18 which is equivalent to current 620 since they overhauled the ui

[brisk surge]

Ye

[still vessel]

[brisk surge]

Unironically it's more like fighting tempered mizu

[lofty stag]

Imagine not going for max risk 🥱

[brisk surge]

Ok french

[opaque stirrup]

max risk to fight 500k-1m hp enemies
no thank u

[lofty stag]

One day I’ll give you the proof for otherwise

[brisk surge]

It's just that easy

[still vessel]

I can’t do that with e1 characters

[brisk surge]

Your downside is being french

So I always win

[opaque stirrup]

that's max risk don't worry about it

[still vessel]

Maybe I can e2 mlynar and Lapp at least in a week

[lofty stag]

I cast curse of cybertruck

[opaque stirrup]

only masochists do that

620 always has an easy strategy with like 1-2 cores max

[brisk surge]

Also I don't think I have enough levels and pots to max risk cc

It's too much investment for funny score

[still vessel]

What kind of gamemode is it

[brisk surge]

I'll do 800-900 and call it

[lofty stag]

But I need funny score to brag for a few weeks 🥱

[brisk surge]

You pick how much ball torture you want and get it

[brisk surge]

Can't even brag

[still vessel]

[brisk surge]

Nobody looks in salt mines

[lofty stag]

Don’t care

I need to be able to bring the fact up when no one wants to hear it 🥱

[brisk surge]

French behavior

[lofty stag]

Sybau maxx

[opaque stirrup]

you pick enemy buffs to make the map harder untill u reach a certain point(620) of max rewrd
or go beyond that for masochism

[brisk surge]

So mean to me

🥹

[still vessel]

Can’t I just pick like def boosts and run full arts team

[lofty stag]

You call me French despite clear proof I ain’t

🥱

[opaque stirrup]

if the risks allow it yeah

[brisk surge]

We all know... Don't gotta hide it

[opaque stirrup]

it depends on the cc but there's always a way to exploit risks

[still vessel]

Cool as long as there’s strategy involved I’ll be good

[brisk surge]

You are assuming that they don't have +500% hp

[opaque stirrup]

yeah just have one unit e2 by then so u can borrow if the occasion needs

[opaque stirrup]

he ain't doin max risk

[brisk surge]

I'm making him

[lofty stag]

Pretty sure there was a 2 op clear with Ines gladiia

[still vessel]

I have max base rn so how long to e2 one unit

[brisk surge]

I'm the Chinese parent that want my kindergartner to do college level maths

[opaque stirrup]

1 week with all the reward flux we have

[brisk surge]

[still vessel]

[still vessel]

Cool

[glass monolith]

I'm Quartz stalling boss of Thorns alter event

[brisk surge]

Alright I go beddies fr

Y'all have fun

[still vessel]

Gn

[brisk surge]

Don't leak

[still vessel]

[brisk surge]

🥹

[still vessel]

[south spindle]

gn macks

[summer meteor]

man how tf do you stronghold protocol

this shits so ass on highest diff

[still vessel]

There’s like 3 strats that are easy

[glass monolith]

I slap random shit together somehow get 5 core kills claim all medals and fucking out of there

[still vessel]

You can caster core, sniper core, or abyssal core

Recommend caster since the assist op in the class is actually quite busted

4 piths and a few defenders are enough to clear the whole thing

Just get lucky getting caster equip + caster wand + res ignore

[summer meteor]

Core protocol just throws 1000 tanks at you

wtf

[glass monolith]

Sir don't start. I had attacker get double HP scaling from round and that shit scaled over +1000%

[summer meteor]

so asss

and i fucking need to know all fractions as they dont show that shit

this is as bad

[still vessel]

If you click on an op it tells you the faction

[summer meteor]

where

[still vessel]

In game

Top right of their info screen

[summer meteor]

during a mission?

[still vessel]

Yeah during stronghold protocol

[dapper hedge]

If they dont belong to any other faction itll say assist

[summer meteor]

Ohhhhh

okay i was confused cuz every character i had said assist

😭

[still vessel]

Yeah only a select few have their own faction

Which is kinda weird but 🤷🏽‍♂️

[summer meteor]

yeah

[south spindle]

There’s items to give a faction to an operator too

[dapper hedge]

Well there rly isnt that many

AH only has 5 ops or smt

and minus skadi in stronghold

[still vessel]

Excluding ah

Does anyone even run the other factions

They seem kinda dookie

[dapper hedge]

Kazi can get memey

with perma rdp

[glass monolith]

That shit is like 20hp per second per round, your trash will kill faster . Better than +15% HP / +10% DEF/ATK/MovementSpeed/AttackSpeed per round

[still vessel]

The only one I don’t want is hp buffs everything else can be solved with permastall and casters

[summer meteor]

yeah but imagine many rounds

and tank

boom

[glass monolith]

I will take +400 regen enemies round 20 over MULTIPLICATIVE +300% HP WITH MULTIPLICATIVE +140% WITH LIKE 5 MORE MULTIPLICATIVE +10%S all day long

[still ingot]

this new game mode is one the game modes of all time man

there's just an angry red mudrock that oneshots all my characters and I dont even know what am I supposed to do: look for item combos? lose until I unlock better loadout? (or whatever its called)

it feels like all the characters suck balls

and this was low difficulty lmao

[glass monolith]

Depends on random buffs because round scaling stuff ain't kidding around

[vivid rain]

Or troll her with the double gnosis combo

[cinder cliff]

guys is this comp decent vs laptop pvs5 cm = =?

literal is my last medal jesus this event

[dapper hedge]

Yes

I would personally swap out thorns

[cinder cliff]

for who?

right now thorn i have him for the carts

[cyan gorge]

They kill themselves

Just place Saria or something

[cinder cliff]

my saria cant tank alot i use all my lmd that i haved to lvl up him to 80 here we go to farming lmd xd

[cyan gorge]

Ngl I didn’t even notice her in the squad

[cinder cliff]

my other option is or montain lvl 1 e2 or uplianos

[final obsidian]

Well Ulpianus cooks this stage

[cyan gorge]

I think your squad might be too weak healing wise but you for sure have enough dps

[final obsidian]

If you put Mlynar on the firework looking left Ulpi can hold the entire bottom lane pretty much by himself and also hit Lapp when she jump there

Eyjaberry healing is enough

[cinder cliff]

ye i lose by timing last time was to close x.x

ok time to yolo

lets go!

ulpianus self teleport work

[elder flume]

that R6 buff is necessary only for lowest rounds
as long as you survive you can do it in the later rounds
only necessity is Karlan Set from R3 and Karlan File which is rng T3 item
changing rounds is always scary as funds do not carry over but there are ways to prepare for it
my round 7 had nothing for example but i prepared it by stacking 3 free refresh arts + have Mousse with max stacked Coin Operated Machine + NTR with Kazi File + a frozen list of ops that i can immediately dupe

i still dont get how items work really

when i was in Barge 2 i got T3 items somehow

but T5 items wont spawn until you Barge 5

this is my prep for R7

[wary shuttle]

are there any strats for doing stronghold without any of your own units

[elder flume]

ideally you wana stay Barge 3 for lower pool at the start as you start duping when youre at a good amount of money like 85+ you can go up a Barge
T3 has Karlan File + Kazimierz File
T4 has refresh arts which is +4 gold
T5 has Coin Operated Machine
T6 has set hp to 1 + ten funds arts which i would avoid really

[elder flume]

if youre using default ops then you wana capitalize Pith or Mechanist or Touch prob

[still vessel]

Just spam pith

Aoe + stackable buffs is crazy good

Plus he’s quite frequent in t5 shops and is almost guaranteed in t6

[elder flume]

https://youtu.be/qZrfi0DOv_o?si=E1PNSFrcApCg5M-t

i didnt get twenty refresh buff and you can see how tedious it is trying to get money lmao

when you get to Barge 3 you less prioritize T1 ops as they get rarer the higher your Barge is

a mix of T2 T3 is good

i had to remove Kazi File because bad refresh rng

[still vessel]

Which strat is this vid for

[elder flume]

Logos infinite money strat

a failed attempt

[still vessel]

Too bad I don’t have a logos to do it with

[elder flume]

its Logos squad not the op

just need to win with 4 casters

[still vessel]

Oh

Ill try it when i get home

[elder flume]

i wouldnt if i were you

[still vessel]

Why not

[elder flume]

it takes hours to reroll shop

[still vessel]

💀

[left pecan]

Infinite what

How

[elder flume]

.

[fast kernel]

Is there any strat for s2-2, I've been stuck there and unable to progreds

[elder flume]

start with 2 snipers then 2 vanguards blocking enemies then healers + defenders

[fast kernel]

Is this team good

[elder flume]

would prefer more levels

more vanguards
more snipers

[fast kernel]

But I don't have any XP thinhs

[maiden hound]

You don't need Proviso/Indigo/Matterhorn.

[fast kernel]

Oh who do I replace them with

[elder flume]

can also use supports too since early stages dont care about autoing

you should have access to Kroos and Jessica at that stage

[fast kernel]

Yh but Jessica's lvl 20 and u didn't touch kroos at all

So I gotta farm XP right

From the xp stages

[elder flume]

level 1 is prob enough

[fast kernel]

Oh

[elder flume]

nah can skip LS farming

[fast kernel]

Who do I swap out

[elder flume]

ideally you do the current event for exp and lmd instead

[fast kernel]

lmd?

[elder flume]

change Matterhorn Proviso Indigo for Kroos Jessica Amiya

lmd is money

change Cardigan for Fang

[fast kernel]

Alr I'll try it as u say

So 2 snioers

Then vanguards

[elder flume]

Rangers for Vanilla or Plume

[fast kernel]

And defenders heakers

Like this?

[elder flume]

oh wow Pluma

vanguards are Myrtle class

[fast kernel]

Is she worse than the other plume or

[elder flume]

La Pluma is not Plume

[fast kernel]

Ohh

[elder flume]

shes good guard tho

prob better than Thorns or Lapp for this

[fast kernel]

Wait then should I not have selected thorns

From selector

[elder flume]

Thorns value is when you can Elite 2 him

[fast kernel]

Oh ic

I'll try w current team

The stage

2 sniper 2 vanguard 2 healer defenders caster

[elder flume]

you can put in Red to assassinate some enemies if you have the slot ig

[fast kernel]

It worked thx

Nah I just put them on the back row to def the base

I used the guards

[south bone]

can someone give me strat for pv-s-5 most of these guides only on cm while it's entirely different from nm

[elder flume]

do you have Mlynar or Wis

[south bone]

nuh uh

[fiery marsh]

What do you have

[fast kernel]

just realised you can use guards to assasinate enemies like the heavy armor guys before they move

[south bone]

these and many other 5* in the back lmao, skill issue i know

maybe i should borrow wisadel again

[hoary chasm]

is zuo le worth is to level up? I just pulled him yesterday, but I have no resources

[somber falcon]

yeah he's good

[somber falcon]

unhealables on elemental stage

[fiery marsh]

Yeah, that is what im thinking

[fiery marsh]

That is the low end guide with wis as last resource tho

[south bone]

zuo le when his hp is suddenly lowered outta nowhere (he can't see nor hit the enemies)

[elder flume]

theres Wis core
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ZRU6YMEAF/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

Zuo Ulpi SA which will be borrow Ulpi for you and just use more slots to replace SA
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1DQUpYjEDS/

Zuo can be changed too really with more ops

[somber falcon]

damn that's a nice strat

[fast kernel]

uh i kinda need help again, in 2-3

i cant place any mages near the armored guys

so i cant rlly kill them

[elder flume]

isnt 2-3 the loop map

ah

[somber falcon]

roadblock map

[smoky halo]

@south spindle can u count the appearance rate of 🚬 in my texts :joyplush:

[fast kernel]

yea

the armored guys kinda flank me

[elder flume]

this is enough really

[somber falcon]

decel binder on left

[south spindle]

Bro... I don't need a script to do that

\🚬

[elder flume]

if enemies are nearing your base then you can remove a block > barricade their path so they have to reroute

its a loop

[fast kernel]

i never thought to block the bottom route

let me try thi

s

[south spindle]

@smoky halo Could be higher if you had more than one blunt in some messages

💀

[smoky halo]

wtf u can search emojis?

today i learned

[south spindle]

not directly

[smoky halo]

how did u do that then

[south spindle]

for normal native emojis you have to get the original emoji like \🚬

[smoky halo]

ah

[fast kernel]

whos the girl whos guarding the lane

like the one not on the hill

[south spindle]

you put a backslash infront of the emoji \ + 🚬 to convert into \🚬
~~Same thing for custom discord emojis !MudrockNaruhodo ~~
Wait discord updated their systems you can just search an emoji with : :

[elder flume]

Beagle

defender

[fast kernel]

ok thx

i jst realised i didnt even equip any defenders

[elder flume]

theyre all 3stars but if you have someone better can just use them

[fast kernel]

problem is shes being swarmed

for me at least

[wary imp]

!RosChill like this?

uhh

smh

\💀

[south spindle]

Yes thats how you grab the id

you can search for that id directly (just the numbers is fine)

[wary imp]

hmm alr

[fast kernel]

wait nvm its working

[elder flume]

you can find a lot of these early strats on Youtube

Kyo Ecko Oyuki are the goto

[fast kernel]

ok i will try

[elder flume]

for harder stages however Bilibili website is prob better

since theres a lot more content creator thats trying to beat with the most minimal investment

[fast kernel]

btw should i e1 amiya

[elder flume]

prob not rn

would prefer Lapp or SA

[fast kernel]

i will get lap then

i jst cant beat the guard stage

so i never got her e1

[elder flume]

its easier with shifters

[fast kernel]

yh lvl 40 recommend

maybe when i have more lvls

shifters?

[elder flume]

not sure if you got Shaw and Rope yet

theyre given in chap2

[fast kernel]

i have shaw

[elder flume]

theres lots of holes in that chip stage

can use her to instakill some

need skill level 4 on her

[fast kernel]

like the lurkers?

oh

skill level 4 😭

havent built her at all

[wary imp]

sl4 is kinda easy

if u have the mats

[fast kernel]

i have the skill books things ye

and holy sh i just got a ton of levlling item

from quests

[elder flume]

@prisma elk this vid is better rng
i can somewhat get my econ going at R8
you want to have as many op variation for better dupe chances

https://youtu.be/7YrKzWSxvnI?si=ItdkakrmANgHX-hF

[fast kernel]

nvm i somehow had enough materials

i got her s4 now

do i need to lvl her

[elder flume]

if she survives prob not

eventually will want E1 but prob not needed for now

[fast kernel]

kk

im going for lapp e1 then

[fast kernel]

wait shes just for killing lurkers right? do i place ehr at the start

[elder flume]

she basically handles a lane by herself

choose which lane is hardest for you

[fast kernel]

alright

uh no she got swarmed in the end

[elder flume]

put her in mid lane then

or top is okay if you need it

as long as shes shifting enemies to hole

[fast kernel]

ohhh i see

no im just dumb

[desert prairie]

Its doable in theory

Now to do it in core

[elder flume]

1 hour run moment

Spot would be lowkey busted

[desert prairie]

id prefer gummy

[fast kernel]

yea it works but i cant 3 star it

the pushing off cliff thing has cd

[misty umbra]

Is this like a further on version on stronghold?

Cause when i play SP it looks and plays significantly different and its lowk boring af

[wary shuttle]

what are some general strats for stronghold, I keep getting the enemy teams to like 5-10 and then just die from getting outscaled by the bosses

[desert prairie]

play classknight

or factionknight except kazi

sniperknight carry are wis and ros

[wary imp]

wait the boss deal 15 HP by default?

[desert prairie]

in stronghold?

20

[wary imp]

alr

[desert prairie]

this thing is a T4 equip

which means defenderknight for barge2 challenge is dead

[fast kernel]

finally e1 lapp

[elder flume]

you can get T4 from R6 buff no

or maybe its capped at Barge hmm

[fathom pivot]

oh hell no

[wary imp]

its fine

popukar

[still vessel]

Popkar, beagle, and defender can solo rounds 1-3

Round 3 depends on enemies tho if it’s ice then prolly not

[fathom pivot]

I resetted
and now this is my team

[elder flume]

does Saria S1 work

since
she needs to have an enemy on her block

[fathom pivot]

Uhh
It works

It heals Liskarm

speaking of that
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE A DUPLICATE

its either Mylnar who kinda sucks here
or Stormeye

[desert prairie]

Ok casterknight is really good

It might be doable

2 more turns

[wary shuttle]

why spam T2s?

[desert prairie]

barge2 challenge

[wary shuttle]

ok

[desert prairie]

Ok dead run

I have no counter for archer bro

[wicked viper]

🥹 90 res

[still vessel]

Mlynar does not suck here he’s really really good

Either grab sp regen item and slap it on him or you can also give him the abyssal equip

[fathom pivot]

ah

also
CHRIST
this combo saved my life

[still vessel]

Double strong tea on mlynar means you have s3 up in no time

[desert prairie]

@elder flume how can you beat stronghold in 7 rounds?

barge2 challenge is impossible without beating it in 12

[fathom pivot]

Good call

[elder flume]

each shield count is 1 damage

so just have 45 shields

[wicked viper]

well you are supposed to break the game

[desert prairie]

in barge2 are there any way to increase shield?

iirc that art is on T3

[elder flume]

you can get T3 while Barge 2

[wicked viper]

infinite token then infinite shield

[desert prairie]

barge5

[elder flume]

i alr finished the run

[desert prairie]

[still vessel]

9hr run

[elder flume]

Barge 5 was a mistake ngl

i thought i was buying op

getting access to Coin Operated Machine but cluttering the item pool with too much T5 items was bad

[desert prairie]

I got a receiver last round, put it on gitano and that gave me popukar

exhausted pool

game glitched

[elder flume]

is that why i never got Pepe after i duped 3 elite ver of her

but that wouldnt make sense

Kazi File allowed me to keep stacking Pepe

[desert prairie]

i got another receiver, llets see what it give me

[wicked viper]

kazi file prob ignore the cap

[desert prairie]

nvm i died

man

i need to beat core in 12

[elder flume]

ye going high round is bad

[desert prairie]

the thing is you have to go all dps

and the only aoe dps is gitano and ast

else you go with defenderknight which doesnt work

Not without that T4 equip

[fair estuary]

Can someone help on pv s 4?

Pls? Me ded

[desert prairie]

What killed you

Its one of the easier s stages

[fair estuary]

Mob leak

And wis ded on the fire dancer

[scarlet mortar]

(usually try to describe sth other than this, considering that every stage without a civ or timer you lose by leaking)

[fair estuary]

Ah sorry I mean the place where wisander is kinda too much

The fire dancer kill wisander very quickly and idk what I should do

I try to drop tex alter and Yat alter but it's not enough

[desert prairie]

Can you send your squad?

If you have wis, firedancer shouldnt be a big problem

Main challenge is cars

[fair estuary]

I have this guys and lap alter to kinda disable the car skill

[desert prairie]

Is that s2 shining?

[fair estuary]

Should I change lap the broke, the homeless, the unemployed ti her normal counter part?

S3

Oh shining nah s2

Yeah it's s2

[desert prairie]

Interesting choice

[fair estuary]

Did I do wrong?

[elder flume]

can you show map deploy

the places you put these ops on

Wis can handle left alone tbh

oh your firework hits top

prob best to leave it empty

[fair estuary]

Oh

Lemme try that

[elder flume]

and then put blockers there

[fair estuary]

Huh... it work...

[wary imp]

great

[fair estuary]

Ty 👍

[wary imp]

now try s-5

[fair estuary]

Can you brute force it?

[elder flume]

maybe

[desert prairie]

That was... easy

Too much redundant moves

Wouldve loved a second flag or a bag, but it works

Cleaned up

Silverash was at gummy tile facing down

Gravel didnt even get a chance to be deployed

[ember epoch]

is this good for Core Protocol

[desert prairie]

only for andreana and wisadel archtypes

the map layout allows funni placement

you want aspd blobbing

[ember epoch]

so this is better?

[desert prairie]

so andreana spam and if possible, turn ros into an AH

[steel prairie]

how do you kill this motherfuker on time ??? YOUR TELLING ME A STONE CAN FLY ???

[desert prairie]

this is shit
well kinda

[desert prairie]

wisadel it

or true damage

kal

[steel prairie]

anyone else besides her ???

[desert prairie]

or ulpipi nuke

[maiden hound]

[RES: E] is right there

[desert prairie]

ah ye ceobe

ch 9 is filled with reflection so caster stock was at an all time low

[ember epoch]

also which enemies are the least problematic ones?

Convicts and Pathfinders?/

[desert prairie]

pathfinder is a huge issue mid to lategame

convict and sarkaz i find

[south bone]

pathfinder's bullet is literally perma with the new enemy

convict is the easiest one imo

[ember epoch]

if only i had wisadel/logos...

[desert prairie]

the easiest ones are those with no ranged attacks

as per usual

[south bone]

sarkaz still kick my ass sometimes, prob because they have high res

do the convicts have caster

[ember epoch]

not really..

[desert prairie]

actually scratch that

not sarkaz. the knights

knights only became an issue on wave 13

because knight bros

[south bone]

true

[desert prairie]

else they have no threat

[south bone]

the new kazimierz enemy barely did anything unlike the one from other team

the drone right

[desert prairie]

drone isnt an issue

[south bone]

it never was

[steel prairie]

reflection ???

[maiden hound]

Refraction: Increases RES by a certain amount unless silenced.

[desert prairie]

70% res buff

your arts dps will do dogshit damage

[smoky halo]

ackshually its +70 res

:khant:

[desert prairie]

even ceobe would be embarassed

[remote perch]

its flat 70 res, not increased by 70%

[desert prairie]

res is a percentage

[wary imp]

res is a number

[remote perch]

res is a word

[wary imp]

ranging from 0 to 100

[wary imp]

res is resistance

[desert prairie]

you can go beyond 100 res

[steel prairie]

this is why Lappa is the smartest

[wary imp]

the game: treat >95 res as 95 res

[steel prairie]

too bad there is only one of her

[wary imp]

lapipi1 is literally a 6*

[steel prairie]

yeah but Ive seen people shaming her since she is unemplyed... bruh its because she is too smart to be employed

she literally the smartest... if you see a flying target... just yeet it

are the holes there intentional ???

[wary imp]

yes

[desert prairie]

stun the jetski and they fall into hole

[steel prairie]

waa... jetski ??? am I hearing that right ???

[desert prairie]

well, more like a lifting platform

[steel prairie]

hovorboard ???

[desert prairie]

idk the community term

not exactly

[steel prairie]

if it is actually jetski my blind would be fukin blown

[maiden hound]

Hoverboards? Jet-Shoes? Whatever, just stunt them.

[steel prairie]

does RH or any protagonist factions not have spies or intel or anything ???

[desert prairie]

theyre all dead in ch 0

scout squad got wiped

[wary imp]

they do
u need to face the enemy in operations to get them listed in there

[steel prairie]

alright more justification to beat Mephisto fukin ass

[wary imp]

or just go to the wiki

[desert prairie]

the one that killed them are W, or was it talulah?

[steel prairie]

ik that... but why doesnt any factions just havev spies so we can be more prepared ???

also wait it is a water hover board

tho HOW THE HELL THEY GET WATER ???

[wary imp]

balancing issues i think

[desert prairie]

considering its londonium, the capital of steam... they probably have water source somewhere

[pearl breach]

It is a jetpack or hoverboard

[somber falcon]

hoverboard, ye

[wary imp]

ah yes, jesselton

i failed

[desert prairie]

is that mechanist

[wary imp]

ye

[steel prairie]

as someone that recently comes back from London from vacation: where the fuk is the steam ???

or thats old tech ?

[smoky halo]

nop res can go above 100

[desert prairie]

iirc steampunk culture in fantasy is based of the UK

idk why but thats a common thing you see

[somber falcon]

because it's the birthplace of steam tech

[wary imp]

i love stronghold

[pearl breach]

Me too

[elder flume]

Silence 1 tile above

[somber falcon]

you can point ulpi up btw if you want him to stay on the tile

[wary imp]

oh ok

btw

this sounds kinda dumb but does ros isw module takes effect in stronghold?

alr

[elder flume]

imagine 9 immediate blocks

[tall sierra]

Lmao i didnt know kazimier statue is kinda good

Turn other into fast redeploy

[wary imp]

we need rhine lab equipments fr

[steel prairie]

probably I only payed attention to the modern things... also wasnt there for long

btw does the Rock Golem change Res once it flies ???

[crisp bolt]

Yes

Since the transition phase gives increased def/res

[steel prairie]

wait can you explode those British flamethowers ??? (and why is the British committing warcrimes? I thought the Germans invented the modern one first)

[crisp bolt]

Yes there's a specific ch9? stage where there's a funny interaction with that