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this is just 4-4 Shaw v2
with Luto taking care of popcorns
and Weedy resetting everything
Why can’t ines come faster
imo,
astegenne chain caster slows, aoe is arts dmg can handle stuff
kjera for single target perma stun
then good gear like +2 atk spd every atk/heal n caster atk+ etc usually handles most problems already
mulligan n freeze when necessary to save useful pieces
promoting gives u free op +1 of ur supply lv
liskarm also can do cheesy things w/ her sp battery
Ya'll got any tips for Stronghold Protocol Core Protocol
also good placement for each map, as enemy composition on certain map make u need to plan certain positioning
kazimier explode drone for example, u would prefer to try take out the drone first b4 it reaches ur chokept
the doberman squad is invincible
round 14 or whatever icefield shits defeated by max meta (and lappland)
doberman squad
i use kalsit cause pure extra stats, sometime i pick sniper etc they dont give me any sniper
I'LL give it a try
the extra stats can make difference surviving extra lancer 1 hit, drone explode etc etc
Do you play dober snipers
Pick the tier 2/3 requires two copies to upgrade or the +4 fund/+1 round upgrade

No max meta and AH
saria or shu gets the AH item
Nah walter or logos just kills it while uplpian and the rest of AH stalls. Lumen heals. And doberman squad T1 reroll
I stay on barge t1 or t2 for a while and pick up T1 units
Just early game?
Because dober squad means you only need 2 copies to promote
Each promote gives +1 fund and a barge level+1 selector ticket
but thats only t1 units
, n u get random
So at barge level 4 you can get stuff like logos etc
From promoting t1 units that you hoarded
One copy of
And you have either the t2/t3 requires 2 copies upgrade or the +4 funds and +1 fund round upgrade
wait.. u cant really hoard them cause they will auto promote right 
I only did a few runs if core but I'll do more later
Once the shitty units are promoted, sell them for more refreshes and copies
It just takes too long
You just buy 1 copy and keep it.
man, still feels too cheesy
Try not to blow them early but sometimes you will be forced to.
There's also items that give you more units at your level 
why is cityway 66 such a buttpain
One of the easiest annihilation

In for a rude awakening
Actually they are all not that bad if you just borrow Wisadel

Ashy can still be kinda bad
its not the kindest to phys unless you use like wisadel ray mlynar. but arts sweep it like very easy
they do so much damage
we talking even ascalon can solo dps midlane.
:(
the treat comes from the ranged guy
with what kind of investment
not lv1 modless sl7
but just like average ascalon
the damage comes from talent
and you just slow long enough that they eventually die from it
if low investment you can just slam extra arts damage
the map is basicly 2 part + 1 small lane
left lane the u shape one
middle two lane
and the wraith lane
wraith lane should easily be handled by most phys dps
or
just pusher
i saw logos ascalon 2 op afk clear
the left lane they all go around to the stairs
tried and died
the enemies afk at the bottom part mostly
the ranged enemies from left side attack aoe
so you either put an op at the yellow circle there and attack them from afar before they reach you
yeah i hope logos doesnt die
(they often afk at the big yellow circle under)
Just lin it 
Bet blemi gonna make a vid pushing all the enemies into the holes
i want auto
logos works
idk ur team tho
but yeah you can also just put a defender
to tank all the range hit
they only deal max 1k phys
so defender easily tanks
with medic
Put blaze on the right side of the access point to stop those grenade launcher dude
yeah but he doesnt do enough to trigger the aura thing
and he dies to gun
i think i got it this time
gravel? 
logos left asca right
ive been doing asca left logos right
If u wan u can kill the crossbow guy at their spawn point
To stop them generating battery gauge or something
Mnm batter
It those guy that make most of the enemy goes rampage
ye you can do spawn kill too
bro
read what i said
you saw the pic
theres 3 "lane"
logos ascalon is just two lane
the wraith uses any pusher with like
force 1 is
sl4?
or any phys works
arts works too technically but phys typically has higher dps.
start a stronghold game on hard
the humble boneguard torturer on round 3:
They oneshot my defender 
so far though its... fine
2 walters on the map with range tiles is gucci
ignore the unblockable guy
ascalon gets fucked by purple spiders
oh shit i did it
its actually not that hard

guys help what did arturia do wron? She keeps dying...
Can watch last 5s too
Every time lappy jumps she does damage in 8 tiles around her
yeah, but in KyostinV's vid she did not die
Was carnival active in his video?
Nightingale kinda does jack shit here ngl
wait, I mean there's none
not in carnival and she did not die
around 15 min mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8neQl3Oaz7o
Premium AFK squad strategies for All PV-S stages and Challenge mode!
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Adjust the strategies a little bit for yourself to suit your own team comp better.
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Sanctuary 🚬
Sowed tiles give sanctuary (reduce damage taken)
Tbh you're better off trying to burst lappy in phase 2 the second the carnival ends
But you must win the minigame
I hope we live lol
and NG can't help u that jump attack is Physical damage
I'll bring shining
not sure how i could burst lappland
can someone save me from pvs2
only have surtr as boss killer
ive been stuck on it for 2 days
RAAAAHAHAHAHHAHHH
Well looks like if you can keep virt alive you're golden
Go help my friend on pvs2
lol lemme try with Shu 🙂
no
thank you!
NO
Why not 🥹
closest i got was 50/52 and never again
You can just do the stage on the rerun, since you can only get the originite once anyway and all stages becomes permanent after the rerun
maybe its not possible with a new account
Whats your roster
I NEED BAIT
I'll be you bait
Pretty good that you made it this far, did you beat all he CM before this?
Im going to die
im stuck on normal mode pvs2
Qyurii go handhold
But I mean for EX stages
I wouldn't even be able to clear PV10 with PayDay's account 
I really don't have hair left to help you on this one
ive attempted ex stage once but i wanna finish pvs2 first
believe it or not, Wisadel
too deep in to switch to another stage
what ive been doing
wait you could do S without EX stages?
yeah
how far did you get in EX wtf
yes i beat pv10
virtuosa and kaltsit is very op in this event if youre stucked
S-1 is just a joke is why you got through
IK
I don't know if a single unit can help with S-2
yeah im trying many different wis strats ill show you
Bro I am baby player
s-2 is virtuosa left, kal on right
If you scroll up you will see their account.
@white slate
payday's only e2 is lappland
indeed
arturia is alive! Lol
Add me if you need Light#7714
bruh im already like 50 practice tickets into pvs2. sunken cost fallacy sucks
ex is easier indeed
Lmfao wow Shining usage in 2025 sheeeesh
Lappland silences beer trucks though think about it
how do you think i got past pv8 and pv9
I struggled with roster full of E2s, (i might be bad but also refused to borrow or use defenders properly)
issue is i have 3 defenders
but Shu died a little later
I gave into using defenders after 20 minutes
I need at least 4 or 5 for ex1
then continued to struggle for hours on S-2 CM
No you don't need 4 or 5
You use Logos on left side with a little help (1 operator)
then right side is everyone else
def not really needed on high tier, but yeah i think payday struggle on healing (burn burst too)
Dont need defenders on right side just some guards is fine PROBLEM is your guards may not do enough damage
Their units can't even out heal the tuba player damages lol
Aren't you support to be shilling ethan
Ethan is probably single most notorious 4*
Is slaves use Ethan all the time
Ethan is recommended to everyone but wont fix the level
not this event
Tbh this might be a wait for rerun angle
You're gonna lose hours and hours trying to get a single prime
every guide i see its either ethan/humus or full 6 star roster
When you can save hours a year later
yeah s stages dont give event currecny anyway you can comeback after 1 yeat to get the op
You got tons of other levels to do right now
They do on first clear
But he hasn't even done EX which is easier
try do as much ex
Yeah insanity lol
or ex?
Ex1 def doable
i got close on my first attempt
just my right side wasnt able to handle the wave
really?
what op do you borrow?
logos s1 no mod
if youre doing normal just use Bean
oh okay
But no mod
i presumed no mod would also lack masteries
ill still add you tho
Whar
nah don't need mod for EX-1
kinda helpful though, atk plus, and s1 scale with atk
oop im blind
Its 90 now tho
Thats turbo
yes and mastered
thats nearly maxed
wow 1 pot off full max max
indeed W mans
reminded me i got near full pot logos too... wisadel only 1...
I love blood tax
Man I wish I played this game would've P6 Virt and Logos
wtf
200 Virt spark before EoS??
i never see that
guess i need to play more
t6 equipment is pretty rare
My p6 wis so cool
I get like 1/2 per run
How much did you people spend 
It's gonna happen
Not much... just very unlucky
What do we think about my vulpi and texalter in 26
or lucky however u see it
Your jo 10 p
Max
I nothing
Always nothing
Then another saileach 
I 10 pull another and got pozemka
texalter should still be very useful
So grim
just get lucky lmao
holy sweep
Didnt i ping u
Actually I got Degen ascalon horn last JO
Yeah but I'm like making fun of you
So can't be jealous
Holy whel
mf
Pozy jumped me this time

I like pozy but i woudlve llike exalter more
I only pull kernel
Ling for S2 CM is cursed
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1fXUhYmEJu/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click
exalter is in like 6 months 
dont care bro shes pretty
ling is always cursed
no
These goobers are literally the only non-e2 6-star i have left
You people spend so much money 🥹 I'm trying to save for a house
I dont spend shit couh
its in luck
Just been here since 2021
東京? @terse sierra
sometime 100 pulls can net you pot 5 if you lucky enough
cough lee incident
e1 crown slay er
Wow the E1 80s are diabolical
Banned
😭
potential woman
Rip 1.8 million LMD just for levels
Until you E2 then its fine
I have 16 million lmd
build you skalter 
hoe...mlynar...
No
wow s5cm is annoying
🥺
why are all the s stage cm annoying
I'd rather build sora first
i want to use the same tactic as normal
Sora mod3 moment
same

gluck
Ohhh
i heard aus is very bad
Again house doesn't clear stages 🚬
my two choices are to live as a mountain hermit or get somewhere in the big cities
Nvm can't be caught in 🇦🇺
I copy the easy video https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1a1mZY5Eed/?spm_id_from=333.1387.favlist.content.click&vd_source=375aad7d9afd22ae515a7b0f4feb4f7b
with my pea brain
which costs an arm and a leg
the investor inflate the price or something
Okay guys here is the house market strategy
This works best if you dont have a house
we couldn't afford to build a bridge here
pyramid scheme yeah
Live with your parents or something
ok it says on recuiting you can get a 6 star... but on the tags it said highest is 5 ??? sooo is getting a 6 star even possible on recuiting or its super rare ???
Next thing you're gonna say your parents are dead or something
"Top Operator" tag
good luck. 0.21% chance to show up
oh so the tag needs to say top ops ??? ic
Yeah its a bright golden tag
like senior operator (for 5* gurantee)
both are hard to miss
Anyways i delete forbidden house technique
2mil
Hey guys I got this funny strategy
Borrow money
When interest acrues, borrow more to pay it off
(Repeat)
Buy house ✅ P6 Lemuen ✅
and crippling debt
crippling debt
No debt
If youre not stupid with it, loans are good capital
Just pay it back with another loan
If youre stupid with it its just debt
Fuck no i dont want my bank standing ruined
Just a little
If you didn't get the joke, Ponzi Scheme
yeah, itsover
🥹
just let the nightmare end soon...
ponzi = pozy scheme
just rob a bank like jessica
Idt ponzi schemes work anymore given banks collude with each other to track the standing of people who loan
So someone who loan in bank A but dont pay cant loan in bank B even if theyre different banks
Indeed thats why there is credit system
If youre bad standing in one, youre bad everywhere
thats a big if 🚬
Anyways can we prank the bank and all withdraw our money tomorrow?
they're gonna get bailed out by the gov
A 🤏 more than bankruptcy...
Smh the gov ruining my fun
A little recession never hurt nobody...
this game shall driveth me crazy
Like your hairline
Unique clear 🤓
we're already in a recession, that's why spending is down across all gachas
Idk but i heard some anime figure shops sell figure for 500 yen
there's a reason why some people decided to join the jp server instead, for cheaper packs
Oh really wow I need to ask my friend for her credit card...
You need JP payment method right

oh right yes fib said so
someone help pls
jp server also gets 10 pulls every time they get to the top of the charts, which is semi frequently
the beginning sounds rough with just myrtle... hm
E01 Myrtle quite powerful
brb about to beat stronghold with t1 only
She can't fend for anything
the problem is the initial invis guys need to deal with rleatively fast get down Logos and everything is alot of dp
i retreat once fireworks starts in exchange for cutter/yato
Where are you failing
Light you got this
i cant clear the wave fast enough
🥹 wanna become roomies

not enough dps so the next wave comes and runs past my defenders
How many players on CN vs JP vs EN?
That sounds a little incurable without levels / resources
arknights sharehouse letsgo
if i had humus i could clear
dawg just give it up so much time and sanity its almost a lost
where is Gravel
you run out of practice tickets and dig into actual sanity atp
...
maybe you're right
i am right
its time to throw in the towel and go clear story
once you dig into actual sanity instead of practice tickets
you lose sanity and its inefficient
if you do it in a year in less tries = less sanity loss
you just wanna see me suffer
dawg i don't help in this channel
Yes

im only here because i can do math without getting lynched
There were 2 enemies. A slug and a sniper
Slug died inside tunnel, and it didnt count to the enemy hp decrease 
so i can just clear 99% of story with support unit
uh yeah
ok
would rather you dont and "challenge" yourself
poison mist is a valid strat early anyway
but i think you did that enough
you're actually experimenting with hard content so thats good
🚬
story isnt challenging
or else you just get stuck in the brainrot
so why bother

Eh with lack of E2s you will run into problems
i mean when does it get hard
unless you're not new
He's kinda real
hes real but we also have hindsight bias
just not built like me
if you are just learning game mechanics it will take longer
Call me when he fights patriot
i think silverash e2 first... his s3 is so strong and many early guides revolve around him
i will clear story without support units
well he could just be the newbie goat already versed or a returner on a new account
not mlynar e2?
He's new
new new? then yeah you got things to learn go do story without support
ok so mlynar > sa > lappalt
but silverash can block some units early too
I got him into the game
how far are you into Story?
uhhh ch 3
and sa got module too
but i finish ch3 so imma start ch4
hes now able to deal more damage and on larger area
Mlynar Lapplandalt will be strong
But will not solve everything
Theres alot of things you are forced to learn mechanics
ok since imma stop trying the ex stages
Alot of brute foracble things but you will see more interesting things by chapter 6 or 7
Ch 12 grr
imma farm pv9 to clear out shop
CH 12 is fun
maybe start story in 2 days or so
Ye keep farming did u finish shop
almost
I hate ch 12
just tickets and the copies of crownslayer and skin
Civs are poopoo
andddd gottem
use trc or something 
how many pots did u buy
crown is about 1500 ish


Its 1500 indeed
not really needed... its just gold ticket in a year
do i have to use sanity boosters
Erator is bait btw lol
it's 70 gold certs on rerun
The pots are cheap for a reason
But sleep team
yes always use them on those sanity events, as even with them sometimes you are tight
also ignore furniture parts
I sleep on sleep
No like Erato is bait for how much the pots cost
i know, but its in a year
yeah i ignore furniture
erato is goonbait
Erato is like buy Erator 200 then the pots are < 100 each
who needs it
ignore furniture parts, not furniture
the chairs and desks and shit give out intelligence certs on rerun
why do i need furniture....
Thank you
furniture give purple cert on rerun
^^^^
bruh ok
for orundum
Orundum.
intelligence certs for 2000 orundum and a bit more on rerun
each event rerun is like 6000 orundum
damn i might not have enough sanity
purple cert has orundrum
is it worth using primes for sanity
but still 1 year
you can ignore some furniture, as only 2000 orundum gets added each time
never
not unless you whel, since some pulls is from that also
Well maybe we can calculate sanity to furiture value let me check
it only adds 2000 orundum each time and you can always get it next rerun
there's no rush to buy out the store
since each event always gives more intelli certs
than what you need so you will catch up
mhm
from pulls?
get all the currency first before deciding what to buy
like save up to buy out? instead of buying one by one
furniture is slightly less of a prio because you will run out of orundum to buy pretty fast from the intelli cert shop
you do lose mats and stuff but can get it less
anyway do we recommend him getting cn new year banner or degen?
yeah save up currency and see what's left, other than lmd and exp and what mats you need immediately of course
Im looking at jessica alter as refernce it was 1800 purple certs
So 9000 orundum lol
90 orundum purchases / rerun
and 560 total supply
you catch up in like 9 reruns
🚬
If you play for 2 years you will be completely caught up i guess
....
dw
yk
Need to remember to calculate this into my calculations
what if i just whale
For who??
everything
Bruh
lol
So leviathaning
you can invest your money and end up with more of it and then spend it 
i have enough investments i dont need a job anymore
the selector? and the carnivale packs
you can get to 800 pulls for P6 both surely™️
I only buy the selector ticket 2x a year 
ill buy all the selectors
yes
unless its worth?
@still vessel things to note
Wanqing is Myrtle
SA S1 is better than S2
try to drop blockers for left side directly on top of enemy because they have invuln frames
prolly not
holy hell
holy
e2 SA, humus, e2 gravel
We have a legend
yeah im not replicating that
e2 gravel isn't necessary
Gravel doesn't matter shes just baitish
how is this even possible
I will try it tho
"humus" oh no! great heavens! I am incapitated!
ok i got it
i will lose on later stage
if it works

i love you
aim is to get all walters and all logoses while AH stalls
errr is there any enemies near 200 kills I need to worry about ???
also what OST is it playing why is it so headbanging lol
i got ulpi
died to duo twins
and get wrecked by mudrock

OST that plays when Jessia rob da bank
ur left lane isnt right
nobody taking care of left
say goodbye to wis
and your run
wait your left you my left ???

isnt Greythroat and Mue on the left ???
isnt Greythroat and Wis aree pointing leftwards ???
snipers coming from bottom left to top right
bam goes the revenants
bam goes the wisadel
isnt the electricity bows suppose to kill them ???
says who
umm the map ??? since this is my first time running into the bows
no electricity cant kill them fast enough
vents deal like 1k
not enough
you need someone to kill left bottom or atleast tank them. its ranged enemies
so basically... your saying its best that I camp their spawns ???
There are also Ergates iirc
so your saying put units where the rectangle you draw right ???
too many ops flanking bottom right and top left
get wis face down and it's gonna be fine I think
same position
Unblockable
no
bombardino crocodilo
the rectangle is
where the enemy gnna be
and there it gnna kill ur ops
you can deploy ops here
doesnt have to be lin. lin just happens to be good at tanking them too
OHHHH ok ok ic... wtf the snipers can shoot that far ???
they shoot fairly normal ranged enemy range
I always thought the max range enemy snipers is 3 tiles
that is 3 tiles bro
itll first target mulberry
and then likely kills her in like 2 hits or 3
and then walk in to kill the other two
they do aoe damage too (3x3)
ah aoe that explains it
do I need to put Saria in the rectangle area ???
or its not needed ?
just using lin is enough tbf
ok
also holy shit I never knew Columbia has such banger soundtrack... who is the DJ ??? Silence ???
oh also I forgot to ask... should Lin maintain her shield on or off ???
is her shield off more than enough to stop it ???
uhhh not E2 yet... so no mods
what level
E1 level 60
can you check her defense stat
no one is E2 except ChenChen
just say her defense stat when skill off
ok ok... is it enough ???
its enough
it doesnt tank when theyre max stack but it tanks good enough
skill doesnt matter here
dont activate them
😂
oh its because I prefer my Lin attacking since she hits hard for my team
oh wait u got zuole huh 
BRUH ok I forgot he even existed on my team
zuo s1 afk
oh you dont have aoe arts access other than lin huh. then nvm lin cant be middle to tank
just use zuole
Guys, any recommendation on how to to the core difficulty of the protocol thingy?
My luck is sucks
I heard it's just RNG
bro u have shaw. just use shaw to handle all the unblockable monster top left lane
just keep countering the enemy compo, know what their late game boss will be n try build ur team to counter it slowly
haha
gonna keep trying then
how bout the starting buff? is kal tsit good or other can be better?
havent unlocked some
lanes a lot is straight, ifrit can do good work sometimes
Anyone has list of ops with high rate of stability for Stronghold event mode and deploy placement tile for each map of it?
if havent unlocked anything kalsit is solid, high hp so even if u leak u have 70 hp to tank waves, sometime u might even lose 3 waves in a row, but keep focusing finding the counter to the enemy compo n u can comeback
🥀
remember u can freeze hand if u see good pick but cant buy yet
yea, i experienced it when doing normal ones, now im keep trying the core
just asked to get some meaningful advice, but guess its a RNG hell eh
always spend all gold if possible, unless u have relic that give stat when u have gold leftover
i loled in my run before when big bob ran like crazy (he got massive movement speed buff)
must be sarkaz merc n they have that shaman enemy 
Anybody?
always try have some unit that can permastall or big dmg nuke
early game option that can work r t3 astegene t4 kjera
late game option logos, wisadel, gnosis
or cold relics etc
trying this build several times...
but rng said otherwise...

Is it a good strat to greed the early rounds and try and get your supply level up
hot daym
if u can n feel safe n comfy no problem to do it
Ya you can leak first couple round
yeah. Hoolheyak strat does that
Can walter replace rosmo? Mine haven't e2 yet
Both rosmo and walter S3 right
i prefer s2
but s3 is fine too
depends on enemy
s2 with aspd is pretty good, infinite stun
also one shot freezing spider
you can do
round 1 get unit and fight
round 2, level up
round 3, sell unit and level up, also leak everything
round 4, buy 2 units, you have 6 coin
round 5 level up again
leaking early is fine, it wont kill you
but if you cant get your early tempo, you just lose later
Just get luckier
you dont need RNG that much unless you happen to get both the 3 lane highground map + icefield militants
wait why is Wis not getting healed by SIlence ??? the drone is in range and she is in range ???
how to quantumtunneling to get best rng
looks inside
wisadel at full hp

the summon cant be healed by silence drone
as can be seen green numbers doesnt work
just retreat the summon
and summon them back
etc
when ur s3 is back
OH LOL her summon blocks my view on WIs XD
@still vessel
Refer to this

eh just need to hit your computer with the correct particle at the correct time to change seed
oh it might be hg's end nvm!
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ほかのオペレーターを売ることでエテルナを獲得していますが、これは①「カジミエーシュのオブジェ」でカジミエーシュ属性を付与し②「カジミエーシュのファイル」の効果を発動しているからです
不足...
ptiloposis healing the on fire tile is absolute cinema if you can roll a ptilo 
hahaha, i tried that when its low lvl, then changed to ulpi to take stand
wth is this
i can never even get more than 3 of the high tier unit
wtf
hi guys im looking for some inspiration for pv-s-4
is there a way for my 4 stars to not explode to the dancers and jazz men?
Ts pmo
lutonada right and cope chestnut for mid ig
this is the worst time for me to not have lutonada
rat meta
have you tried getting her 
what does lutonada do?
she heals when guys die around her
nope
i see
try coping modded estelle instead then ig
spam meteorite?
wrong op
pull someone downwards?
tell her to pull from deck
How to do more dmg 🥀
You time when the Carnival ends and position your operators ahead of time in Lappland's landing points. Her Phase 2 jumping pattern is: Red ~> Green ~> Blue ~> Yellow ~> Purple and after a few rotations of that sequence, she jumps to White circled tile then jump to your blue box (leak). This is a simulation I did for someone, you can watch it for reference #strategy message
virtuosa?
use the boxes to manipulate pathing
ok then ill watch yt for it
hey fib
accidentally did ed4 with fractured mind and lost it because no hit count operators 


Even if you have hit count operators, if you dont kill them far away from your blue box, it's still gonna be disaster #strategy message
that is wall text to read
but yeah i guess we had a similar situation keeping shrivels at the end because the soul relics, i have both, at that point nothing else would be better
how clueless i was 
i didn’t have logos, i played marcille because why not
I had 25k Logos on my first attempt at Fractured Mind finish
It was smooth sailing coz Logos 1 tap everything offskill
Then I tried again, this time he has only like 12k atk onskill, his offskill was like few thousands only
That was disaster 🤣
kaz falls...
i just dont like autochess
can someone explain to me how fast redeploy specialist work in autochess since you can't really deploy them more then once per battle?
when they die they get redeployed
ah i see
Check the hand archetypes
Like I mean what operators
Nymph should be good
O yeah I do have Nymph
And then ofc ops with no hands
Can nymph perma still quilon
Ive heard so






