strategy

[steel prairie]

bruh

[scarlet mortar]

[steel prairie]

what is this melee discrimination ???

[candid grove]

just surtr it

[scarlet mortar]

there's worse

[pure orchid]

Perfumer top left i think, or above flametail
Depends which side has harder time winning against lappland kill game

[scarlet mortar]

there's also range discrimination in some other stages lulw

[steel prairie]

is it wise for me to put defenders in the only place that Melee units can be deployed ???

[scarlet mortar]

wdym, there're all those middle tiles too

[steel prairie]

ik but there is other areas where enemies can come thro

[pure orchid]

From what i remember you just use slower + ranged dps here

[scarlet mortar]

iirc berserkers go through there

just use a slower

[azure roost]

slow sniper

caster

whateve

[candid grove]

was it the chargers or spear throwers on the top row?

either way, a solid defender and medic is a pretty good choice

[elder flume]

mid is caster n weeb

top is runner

[smoky pike]

idk how you managed to make it work, my nighting died before the first canaval

which skill are you using

[pure orchid]

s2

[smoky pike]

I guess I should only deploy them during the carnaval so mostima can actually see the dancers?

[pure orchid]

You deploy mostima last

Saria and ng in quick succession

Saria will block (and ofc reveal invis) so exu can kill from safe distance

No need for carnevale

Honestly mostima didnt even do much for me

[candid grove]

yeah, i didnt think she seemed particularly useful here

[smoky pike]

man I miss when the boss stage was just big bob

[smoky pike]

I mostly took her as a SP battery for lappalt

xd

not meant to do serious dps

[azure roost]

pro

[candid grove]

apparently the fire dancers heard me disrespecting them and decided to punish me for my hubris

[pure orchid]

i think this better, now mosti have actual usage

[candid grove]

i have no idea what i was doing differently a few hours ago that let me basically ignore them

[smoky pike]

yeah I can't get it to work... I can't get the whole setup down before the fire fire dancer infiltrates the lines

by the time I have exu down she just dies to the fire dancer next to flame

[candid grove]

have any space for a myrtle?

or other flag vanguard

[pure orchid]

I have 2 extra slots im not using in my clear

[smoky pike]

can hellagur solo the fire dancer lane

[pure orchid]

Probably deployment order issue?

[smoky pike]

he doesn't have arts dodge so...

[candid grove]

i think i saw a video of someone mostly soloing the right side with him the other day

[pure orchid]

Ideally you place eyja the very last cus she have higher res than ng for tanking lapp

[candid grove]

so it should be doable at least

[pure orchid]

Are you interested in watching me stream my run

I cant record sadly

[smoky pike]

I'm gonna try some things first

[pure orchid]

Okay

[smoky pike]

why can't we go back to when the final boss was just big bob

I miss big bob

instead we get to fight literal gods from the plane of nithavelir

[candid grove]

big bob was a cool guy

i love destroying his livelihood

[pure orchid]

evil

have a soul

[candid grove]

he evaded taxes, he deserves all the bad things

[pure orchid]

You deserve the griddy

[candid grove]

im not working with the IRS, in case you were wondering

[smoky pike]

just watch, if I look for guides there's gonna be that guy beating this stage with Melentha and 12F

[brisk surge]

do you have thorns

[candid grove]

there will always be that one chinese guy that's better than you

[pure orchid]

Hey i did that

I could teach u that clear instead

[smoky pike]

no

FK I had a good run until I realized my fireworks were wrong

[elder flume]

youre not far off

[smoky pike]

also should i run eyja S3 for more burst

[smoky pike]

I mean I can see the value in actually using 12F as a dodge tanker

[candid grove]

the dancers are regular spawns instead of infinite spawns so that's not a bad idea

[smoky pike]

but I hope I won't have to do that

[pure orchid]

I died to lapp p2

Idk what to do now zzz

[brisk surge]

i dont have enough units to simulate a run for him

at this point im doing a 3 star clear

[smoky pike]

FUUUUUUUUK dude I used mlynar skill during carnevale in panic

and after lapp dropped shield the skill was over

[elder flume]

huh

Lapp isnt weight ten

[pure orchid]

Rain

Have mercy

Also she teleports too often for it to matter

[smoky pike]

oh lmao

I killed lapp through her shield...

[pure orchid]

Burn proc?

[smoky pike]

probably?

[steel prairie]

BRUH I immediently deploy my medic first and the mutant KILLS my medic first

[pure orchid]

You could also do that with true dmg like amiya s3 and ce s2

[candid grove]

tbf, it's not a 100% damage resistance

[steel prairie]

see they always go for my medic

every single time

[candid grove]

it's only 90%

[steel prairie]

even I deploy them first

[pure orchid]

Exhibit a

[willow sun]

yup boss just has 600k hp, just nuke harder

[smoky pike]

this setup potentially clears

[candid grove]

i think you added an extra 0

[pure orchid]

you put away lapp? aw

[candid grove]

she's actually relatively squishy by modern boss standards

[smoky pike]

she's in the middle between medics

[pure orchid]

Oh im blind

Her hair is same color as ranged tile

[dusky hawk]

Hi cutie

[pure orchid]

Hello ana

Hope you are having good earth rotational cycle

[willow sun]

boss has 60k hp, 90% DR would just multiply by 10

[candid grove]

yeah, i just meant that it's not impossible to accidentally finish it off with the shield up

[willow sun]

oh i meant just that lol

like if you ignore shield mechanic boss effectively just has 600k hp

[candid grove]

simply do 600k damage

or wait, like, 30 minutes for the fireworks to do it

[wicked minnow]

500 def 30 res

[candid grove]

the boss literally kills itself

[willow sun]

does lappy even have stage end skill after too much time passes?

[candid grove]

not in phase 1

phase 2 ends eventually

[willow sun]

ah

does she tp into the blue box

[candid grove]

that's what ive been told

[candid grove]

i have yet to see that since ive been dying long before that happens so far

[steel prairie]

WTF DOES THE MUTANTS THAT YEETS HAVE A PORITY TARGET ON MEDICS ?????????????????????????

[wicked minnow]

the who

[candid grove]

the ones that lose health

[steel prairie]

I literally place the medics first and then a bait and they STILL KILLS THE MEDIC FIRST

[candid grove]

it's likely due to range

[wicked minnow]

which mutants

[steel prairie]

they fukin ignored the bait

[steel prairie]

one that apparently yeets a log ???

[willow sun]

the guys in out of control i think

possessed leaders who throw shit

[candid grove]

it doesnt matter what the deployment order is if only your medic is in range

[sick knoll]

build a quora and perma block their ass

[elder flume]

S2L7 Almond to bring them closer

actually

[sick knoll]

e 1

[candid grove]

she might be able to tank them normally?

[steel prairie]

LMAO MY TEAM DOESNT HAVE ENOUGH FIREPOWER this game will go on forever

they keep healing themselves faster than I can hit

[scarlet mortar]

what the greythroat doin

[candid grove]

yeah, you dont have much arts damage

[scarlet mortar]

does an E1 vulpis do arts damage, i forgor

[steel prairie]

forgot to remove her since last round was range units only

[pure orchid]

use some caster bro

[candid grove]

only for a few seconds

[scarlet mortar]

also wait why is lapp on S1

[pure orchid]

This cursed gang ngl

[candid grove]

oh yeah, use lapp's s2

lapp's s1 is for fun

[steel prairie]

she is on S1

I mean s2

sry

[candid grove]

then cry i guess

[steel prairie]

WHEEZE BLAZE WHAT IS YOUR CHAINSAW MADE OFF ??? PAPER ?

lmao I am actually stuck might redeploy Lin then

[candid grove]

is she e1?

[scarlet mortar]

just retreat blaze lmao

[candid grove]

yeah

[scarlet mortar]

and saria

[pure orchid]

retreat blaze and feed them into lappland

[candid grove]

e1 blaze is solid and all but she wont tear through armor

[scarlet mortar]

then deploy nearl once the defenders are inside saria's tile

[azure roost]

oh its still going

[scarlet mortar]

you can splitbox them into lin's range

[steel prairie]

alright time to wait for a whole minute

[pure orchid]

yay splitboxing

i dont mean to judge but this clear is lacking a lot of fundamentals

[candid grove]

im kinda surprised you have 3 different pioneer vanguards

that's a bit overkill

[scarlet mortar]

i mean vulpis kinda works as sub-dps

texas can be kicked

[candid grove]

id have kicked out vulpis

[pure orchid]

Like a better order wouldve been lapp blaze saria, too many vanguards, and not enough casters on a map with heavy def

[smoky pike]

omfg I keep getting so unlucky

[candid grove]

she does alright dps and all but she's no replacement for a proper dps at e1

[smoky pike]

lapp goes phase 2 then the mob keeps snuffing out the fuse so I can never carnaval

and the lapp just slowly kills my squad while invincible

[candid grove]

have you tried not dying?

[scarlet mortar]

🔥 ✍️

[steel prairie]

wooo damn ok seems like my squad is lacking in firepower... also reason why I dont tend to use caster cause there DP cost is way too high and my VG are shit

[candid grove]

dont forget that she hits two targets at once

[brisk surge]

His writing is fire?

[scarlet mortar]

eh 20-sth DP isn't that high

[candid grove]

and she does an aoe attack when she teleports

[candid grove]

not aoe casters, regular casters

and your vanguards are fine, even at e1

[pure orchid]

16 dp is below avg cost

[scarlet mortar]

it's more like you're cucking yourself by spending 10 DP on vg's when you're already halfway towards a caster

[candid grove]

just make sure you use flametail's s1 since her s2 is kinda stinky and it generates dp a little sooner

[steel prairie]

not ideal tho... also casters like Amiya is a whopping 19

[scarlet mortar]

"whopping"

[candid grove]

that's not that much

[sick knoll]

19 ain't a lot

[civic bear]

amiya 19 wha

amiya is 18

[candid grove]

pots

[pure orchid]

sigh
we've had this convo before, 19 is drop in the ocean

[brisk surge]

My cheapest caster is chen alter take it or leave it

[steel prairie]

still quite a lot...

[candid grove]

just be a bit more patient

[civic bear]

uh 18 is potless

[scarlet mortar]

bro really needs to stop dumping DP into vg's....

[sick knoll]

❌

[civic bear]

most dp takes

[candid grove]

oh, is it?

[civic bear]

2 skill

to refund their cost

[scarlet mortar]

pioneers have ass DP gen on average

[civic bear]

so they dont start generating

[steel prairie]

ik but the horde is coming.... the more the better

[candid grove]

i guess it's been a while since ive used caster amiya

[civic bear]

until you are what

30 seconds in

if not 40s

[candid grove]

your vanguards can handle basic fodder just fine

even without a medic

[scarlet mortar]

by the time a pioneer refunds their cost your team's set up anw

[steel prairie]

uhhhh are you sure about that ???

[brisk surge]

Wait

[candid grove]

flametail's probably the tankiest pioneer vanguard

[civic bear]

this why pioneer fake ass

[scarlet mortar]

so like. why bother lmao

[civic bear]

pioneer is useful only when

[candid grove]

use her s1 if you're worried about tankiness

[civic bear]

you see in like

[brisk surge]

Maybe this is why arda shills flags

[civic bear]

90 seconds in the future

you are still misisng the dp

[steel prairie]

ok tbh a fully E2 Texas is a lot better but before hand she is indeed shit af

[pure orchid]

It is objectively cheap
The only time you can complain about dp is when you use ops like this

Now this is definitely expensive

[candid grove]

e1 texas is super solid as far as dp gen goes

[scarlet mortar]

er no

[steel prairie]

wait there is 30+ dp cost ???

[candid grove]

she was my go-to for years

[scarlet mortar]

an E2 texas is still mid

[civic bear]

all pioneer the same

they neeed the stats

to carry

[pure orchid]

Yeah thats why 16-19 is absolutely nothing

To put things into perspective for ya

[steel prairie]

ehhh well the main problem for me on Texas is that she dies pretty fast

[scarlet mortar]

i'd almost say ass but people would start throwing stones at me

[civic bear]

which means you need to have them rpetty high level

[steel prairie]

ik but I am not on that league

[civic bear]

thats why pioneer is quite an ass

unless theyre low rarity

[scarlet mortar]

wdym lmao

[steel prairie]

the subclass ?

[scarlet mortar]

you're just hyperfocused on the wrong thing

[candid grove]

deploy texas, deploy silence, deploy flametail

then done

[civic bear]

yes the subclass

[pure orchid]

2 vanguard is enough

[scarlet mortar]

pioneers are not worth their cost, period

[civic bear]

charger are "free"

so they just work

[candid grove]

flametail's super solid at e2

[civic bear]

but they dont gen dp either

[pure orchid]

Courier and fang are free

[candid grove]

she can lanehold on her own just fine

[steel prairie]

....... yeah sure

[pure orchid]

You even have flametail and vulpi which are direct upgrades

[candid grove]

e1 is squishier but she'll certainly get the job done for a ton of early content

[pure orchid]

Go ahead and dont believe me

You're being full of urself again

[civic bear]

just run noir corne

unironically

[pure orchid]

when people here are already talking from experience

[candid grove]

not at e1 id say, texas is still pretty nice and vulpis' dp gen is a little stinky

[civic bear]

hes as cheap dp wise as 6* pioneer

[candid grove]

yeah, noir corne should solve your early tankiness issues

he's cheap and decently tanky

[azure roost]

[civic bear]

while taking like 10x less resource

[steel prairie]

ok WTF IS THIS MELEE DISCRIMINATION ???

[pure orchid]

Noir actually solid

[scarlet mortar]

wdym lmao

more like range discrimination

ranged ops eat shit in that stage

[steel prairie]

wwdym you cant put melee on the top lane

[civic bear]

dont be fooled with the map

[candid grove]

yeah, you really only have a single viable ranged tile

[scarlet mortar]

top lane is bait

[candid grove]

unless you're super cool and are named lin

[civic bear]

the mobs on toplane dont casually enter the blue box

[steel prairie]

wait wut ???

[scarlet mortar]

the idea is to have all the bonethrowers attack your melee ops til they die

[civic bear]

they just stuck if they has something to target

[pure orchid]

Play it first pls

[scarlet mortar]

the top lane only has bonethrowers

they can't enter the blue box if your defender survives

[steel prairie]

wait thats a bone ??? always thought its a random tree they picked up

[civic bear]

the idea is that it forces you to have an operator to bait their attack so they stay still forever

ranged enemy

[scarlet mortar]

otoh the bonethrowers beat the fuck out of your ranged ops so gl

[candid grove]

they're called bonethrowers

[steel prairie]

ohhh so they are baiting you ???

[candid grove]

it's kinda in the name

[civic bear]

more like you are baiting them

[steel prairie]

ik but the animation I thought it was a tree lmao

[scarlet mortar]

no the bait is that you think you have to block them

but no lmao

[steel prairie]

ic ic ic

[steel prairie]

alright 6-5 lets go... so far I will say chapter 6 is WAY easier than chapter 5 for some reason

[scarlet mortar]

year 1 arknights be wildin

does he know

[steel prairie]

wtf eww...

[steel prairie]

ik I have to face Frost again

[civic bear]

its harder

[scarlet mortar]

go try 6-5 first lmao

[steel prairie]

and again

[civic bear]

😂

[candid grove]

apparently they each have 200 originium spikes in their bodies as tall as them

[civic bear]

youre still at 6-5

they always scale back the diff a bit

at early chapter

so like 6-1 is easier than 5-10

[candid grove]

yeah, to get you used to the new enemies

[steel prairie]

ik but even the early stages of chapter 5 is pretty hard so far I havent need to use support

[scarlet mortar]

6-5 is a kyo viewer spike i'm pretty sure

[steel prairie]

like on 5-1 and 5-2 I still ended up using W for support

[civic bear]

😔

gtta learn the mech

[brisk surge]

The spoon is crazy on this one

[full terrace]

🤣

[candid grove]

btw, kroos is unironically the best non-6* single target sniper you can have at e1

just so you know

[steel prairie]

actually 5-1 was Bagpipe and then 5-2 thro 6 was W

[candid grove]

dont ignore your 3*s

[scarlet mortar]

this is kinda sad

[azure roost]

6-5???

ohthe wall

[brisk surge]

🥄 do you want one too

[scarlet mortar]

[azure roost]

so true

[elder flume]

Doesnt break

Lin just cheeses a lot of this

[pure orchid]

yes please
aaaaaaa

[candid grove]

damn, e1 can take it?

didnt think she could

[sick knoll]

yeah same here didn't think she had it in here

Ig crystal rat goated

[brisk surge]

Always wanting spoon

Smh

[pure orchid]

Sometimes i spoon

[steel prairie]

who are them ???

[pure orchid]

they are ???

[civic bear]

its story

[tidal sedge]

Hello, I have played since 2020, but have not been able to play much in 2023 and 2024. If I want to continue with my already built roster of units, will I be able to finish the present events?

Or do I need to account for some new enemy mechanics?

[civic bear]

just read

[maiden hound]

blade lineage mentors

[scarlet mortar]

skip*

[candid grove]

i guess i should have known better than to doubt my rat wife

[wicked minnow]

rat has 756 def. they do not tickle her in the slightest

[maiden hound]

if "built" here is 12+ e2-ish then sure, you'd have no problem providing you read what the enemies and stage mechanic does

[brisk surge]

What is the said roster and units

[candid grove]

your older 6*s are still good in newer content

although they wont be the most broken ops anymore

[sick knoll]

🤝

[candid grove]

compared to more broken ops i mean, they'll still be super busted nukes

[tidal sedge]

Alright.

[maiden hound]

i'd say they're like medium-sized firebombs now

[steel prairie]

huh ??? wat ??? she has a lineage ??

[full terrace]

Depends on what you have, but some older units are still pretty good for general contents.

What operators do you have there

[candid grove]

where do you think swire gets all her money from?

[maiden hound]

ah sorry isjust joke. for more info look up "raincoats" in wiki.gg

[wicked minnow]

if your goal is to finish present events, you should still be able to easily. the main difference is that most "good" units have released in the past year or so so it might be a little harder but if you know what you are doing still very easy. you might have some roadblocks tho in high diff IS and high risk CC but if you are just going for medals in CC you'll still be good

[steel prairie]

2 VG IS MORE THEN ENOUGH MY ASS

HELL IS 2 VG MORE THEN ENOUGH NO ITS NOT

[wicked minnow]

no vanguard is enough. 2 is overkill

[candid grove]

im not sure how you're messing this up

[steel prairie]

Texas literally got yeeted before any DP can be generated

[candid grove]

fang and vanilla should already be fine

are they lvl 1 or something?

[elder flume]

put them next to blue box

[scarlet mortar]

yh that's bc texas is ass

[wicked minnow]

dont place your vanguard in the range of the throwers

[steel prairie]

bro my Texas got reduced to atoms instantly

[scarlet mortar]

[candid grove]

just dont treat her like a defender and she's just fine

[maiden hound]

place on bottom row

[wicked minnow]

i mean no shit she is squishy as balls

[scarlet mortar]

wdym she gets mauled by dogs

[candid grove]

she's a little on the squishier side, but she's more than enough to handle these guys

[maiden hound]

or just use fuckin' vulpis

[scarlet mortar]

"defender" is overselling her massively

courier would take longer to die

[wicked minnow]

he said dont treat her as one

[scarlet mortar]

completely unnecessary when you aren't supposed to treat any vg as a defender

[brisk surge]

This is actually sad 🥄

[candid grove]

all i know is that i was able to use her at e1 comfortably for all content in the game up until flametail released and swapped to her

[wicked minnow]

poncirus erasure

[candid grove]

i know for sure that she's good enough to get the job done

[maiden hound]

we'll be handholding this guy until something like ccb3

[scarlet mortar]

a built ponc is a different story

[elder flume]

handholding CCB3 would be abysmal

[brisk surge]

You think ccb3 is possible

[normal galleon]

When doing ra if ur farming wood for example, do you do one entry that only cuts and then one that picks? Atm I trying to do both in each entry

[scarlet mortar]

handholding CCB......

[full terrace]

Draft your Chen then borrow a Ling #strategy message

[scarlet mortar]

you take three harvesters

then if you want to go even faster you bring your fastest dps

[wicked minnow]

build gladiia and borrow ines easy 625 score

[scarlet mortar]

preferably aoe ones

[maiden hound]

does she need s2m3 and/or modY1

[scarlet mortar]

farming in RA should be done with harvesters most of the time

[wicked minnow]

gladiia needs s1m3 + mod y1 iirc

[normal galleon]

I haven't tried harvesters

[wicked minnow]

i have a built gladiia on alt and a max ines on main so that's what im doing 🥱

[elder flume]

if you cant kill dragon then Gladiia stall is expensive ye

[scarlet mortar]

uhhhhhhhh

yh do try them

for one they can cover a whole range of picking up items

so you don't have to repeatedly redeploy for them

[candid grove]

yeah, they will pretty much always farm significantly faster than your ops ever could

they're absolutely worth the cost, even if the wood harvester is overpriced and needs stone for some reason

[sick knoll]

blade lineage from limbus company????

limbus is getting to me

[candid grove]

nah, it's those hat guys from scp-1730

[steel prairie]

wait AOE caster cant hit air targets right ???

[candid grove]

they can

[wicked minnow]

ye

[candid grove]

all ranged ops can hit flying enemies unless stated otherwise

[steel prairie]

oh ??? hmm wonder why my lava wasnt hitting the drone unless it somehow slipped thro

[maiden hound]

something something targetting priority issue

[candid grove]

targeting priority probably?

or she just thought you could use a present

rate my super cool strat

all e1 btw

[steel prairie]

holy shit

[candid grove]

just to make it clear that degen isnt annihilating everything

[steel prairie]

you have Shu and Degen tho

[candid grove]

they smell and arent cute enough to e2

[maiden hound]

shu smells good though

[steel prairie]

that is some heresy talk against Shu

[candid grove]

what im actually doing is only using my non-200 trust ops for the normal event missions

[steel prairie]

btw does the Bonethower have pority target ??? because they are aiming for my medic even if I deploy medic first and a bait right next tothem

[civic bear]

last deployed

well

they have range

[candid grove]

yeah, it's not that long

[civic bear]

also they dont instantly change target

[candid grove]

it's like 3 tiles or something?

[steel prairie]

this is way I fukin hate the reunion... they keep aiming for my medics and my medic were the FIRST to get in

[candid grove]

id have to check

place them farther back if you can

[civic bear]

if you deploy medic and then bait immediately

in their eyes

they still see medic first

so they will attack it once

and then they see the bait

[steel prairie]

ik but most are caster which tends to be in the path for them

is there any ground medics ingame ??? (not counting Saria since she is more of a defender)

[candid grove]

healing defenders like saria

[civic bear]

saria subclass is

[elder flume]

Jaye

[candid grove]

a popular strat for a while was ignoring medics completely because healing defenders were so good

not sure if that's still a thing

[steel prairie]

ik but I consider her to be way too tanky to be just a medic since most medics are glass cannons

[civic bear]

well

its kinda their role

to be a defendeer that heals

[candid grove]

tbf, she'll still heal your ops enough so it's not a big deal

[scarlet mortar]

"ground medics" isn't a subclass

[brisk surge]

[scarlet mortar]

but there are defenders who cosplay as medics

[steel prairie]

like my Silence and Mulberry gets ONE shotted by boneyeeter... one fukin shot

[maiden hound]

if it heals well it's a medic why discriminate

[scarlet mortar]

and then there's kal

[candid grove]

are you still stuck on that one stage with the bonethrower lane?

[civic bear]

try deploying not on top lane

[candid grove]

just dont put anything on the top row of ranged tiles

[steel prairie]

idk ask @scarlet mortar I mean he agrees

[civic bear]

this is still 6-5 right

[scarlet mortar]

"ch6 is easy" they said

[steel prairie]

uh no Im setting up my caster since I kinda of left them in the dust

[candid grove]

that's not really what i asked

[steel prairie]

its easier than chapter 5

[scarlet mortar]

so how's 6-5

[steel prairie]

I left all my AOE units to dust so hold up

[steel prairie]

setting up my AOE units since I left them to rot

[candid grove]

so you're farming right now?

[scarlet mortar]

ehhhh aoe ops would suck here i feel like

i assume you mean splash casters

[civic bear]

btw

you dont need

[scarlet mortar]

they'd cost a lot

[civic bear]

to hit

top enemy

at all

ignore them

just let them hit a high def unit

till the end of times

focus on the bottom lane

[steel prairie]

no I have some stuff but I literally like did not level them up at all and upgrade their skill

like they are all rotting at level 1

soo hold on

[candid grove]

i guess a lava could work here

[steel prairie]

shes like level 10 sooo still gotta get her in shape

[candid grove]

you could use one or two healing defenders to tank the bonethrowers maybe

then you wouldnt need any healers

[scarlet mortar]

don't healing defenders die to the last couple bonethrower leaders

[candid grove]

cuora and saria then

[steel prairie]

"bonethower leaders" ?????

[scarlet mortar]

there are two iirc

[pure orchid]

why are we even clearing story, we should be farming event 😭

[civic bear]

each enemy typically has 2 forms. one is slightly buffed ver

just stat diff

not all tho

[steel prairie]

yeah but for me my level Im way too under prepared for late event stages... just clearing what I can clear

[civic bear]

its more efficient to farm event lower stage

[candid grove]

what levels are your main team anyways?

[civic bear]

for currency

[pure orchid]

then get stuff from shop to upgrade ops...

[civic bear]

so that you can buy shop items

and upgrade ur ops

to thenfarm later stage

and repeat

and on and on and on

[steel prairie]

I think I already got most of event stuff hold on I brought like all the xp stuff

[scarlet mortar]

er

[pure orchid]

There is no fkn way thats possible

[steel prairie]

lmao its because I used W to cheese thro the events

[scarlet mortar]

ok ig you can buy out the bulk LMD

[civic bear]

no shot you have

[scarlet mortar]

yh figured

[pure orchid]

No like

[steel prairie]

hold on... let me level up

[pure orchid]

Oh god my non-existent patience is being tested

[civic bear]

i mean yes you cleared one part of the event

but the remaining part

[pure orchid]

I dont even know what to say

[civic bear]

still exist

lmd isnt the only thing you need

[steel prairie]

oh that part ??? yeah I havent done it

[candid grove]

yeah, even im still missing most of the shop

[pure orchid]

[candid grove]

granted, ive been buying crownslayer's tokens first

[steel prairie]

I thought I got a lot of bulk but ok

[scarlet mortar]

eh nah

[pure orchid]

Tbf tokens are good if you plan to play for +1 year

Clear out the shop

Someone convince them to clear shop

[scarlet mortar]

you want to buy out the whole shop usually

there's basically no reason not to

[candid grove]

i might have to use an actual team for PV-10

im kinda getting annihilated by lappland in phase 2

[scarlet mortar]

normal stages are also less efficient to farm than event stages so like.

[civic bear]

event stage is basicly similar if not slightly better than normal stage

but now you add the fact that event stage has shop

making event stage just much better to farm

[scarlet mortar]

if you aren't a particular lore diehard the only reason to be doing story stages is.................................... to unlock specific crafting recipes or sth

[candid grove]

i was planning to have marcille there to do a bunch of damage to lapp phase 2 once the shield goes down but it seems like lapp just takes all the kills with my current setup

[steel prairie]

nooo the event shop doesnt have caster chips

[candid grove]

cant really move valarqvin anywhere since she's soloing phase 1

[candid grove]

it still has regular mats

like lmd and exp

i assume your team isnt e1 max level yet

[steel prairie]

ik but I was getting chips

it only have specialist chips like wtf I dont even have any speciallist I use besides gavel

[civic bear]

if chips then fair enough you can do that

[maiden hound]

the event shop only have t1 chips for the current welfare op

[civic bear]

more so story stages

[scarlet mortar]

i mean, finish up your chip farming and go back to the event stages ig

[candid grove]

do ops default to targetting lappland in phase 2 if she's in their range?

[pure orchid]

You can get caster chips any time after the event
You can push story any time after the event

But you can only farm the event and clear the event shop during the event

Basic time management would tell you to prioritize time-sensitive things such as farming event over else

[steel prairie]

Im mostly for T1 but even then it doesnt have caster chips... I mainly I need caster and crossbow chips since I neglect them

[candid grove]

yeah, just wait a bit to clear more content

there's no rush

not for the main story anyways

[civic bear]

if the chips means you can clear pv-10 then yes. but story doesnt lets you do that other than unlocking recipe so

[steel prairie]

I mean for regular farming

[pure orchid]

Chips are cool but story is pointless really

[scarlet mortar]

90% of "regular farming" is farming events

[civic bear]

just auto x6 and put the phone down

[steel prairie]

like I will farm for events but the shop doesnt have caster chips and I need to diverse my team since Im stuck with mostly physical units like what you have seen earlier

[steel prairie]

ik thats what I was doing earlier...

[civic bear]

you can diversify your team much later

[steel prairie]

you guys were wondering whats taking me so long

[civic bear]

early game you just want a carry

overleveling one unit does kinda work

[steel prairie]

WAIT WTF YOU GET HER FOR FREE ???

also yes my dumbass I forgot to collect my reward XDDDDDDDD

[narrow pendant]

[scarlet mortar]

pov welfare op

[narrow pendant]

Shes hot garbage btw

Just so u know

[steel prairie]

I heard memes about her... is she actually terrible ???

[candid grove]

yeah, and not even bad by 6* standards

she's just kinda shit

[narrow pendant]

Worst 6* in the game yes

[steel prairie]

I wont use her.. but hey a free stuff is free stuff

[narrow pendant]

You'd rather use a 4* than her

[civic bear]

def not worst 6*

its a bit overblown

siege exist

[steel prairie]

btw I brought all the golden XP cards

[civic bear]

but its one of the bottom 6*

[narrow pendant]

Siege does something something, gives dp

Cs does

[candid grove]

siege does her job as a vanguard just fine though

[civic bear]

cs does something too

[narrow pendant]

Nothing, just waste dp

[civic bear]

its a frd

[narrow pendant]

Gravel is too

[civic bear]

and she stuns for a good duration

why we bringing up lower rarity

[candid grove]

crownslayer has a bunch of random things that she does, all of which she does either badly or completely at random

[civic bear]

can say the same with siege tho

[steel prairie]

I was about to ask is Gravel actually better than Crownslayer ???

[candid grove]

siege is consistently solid at what she does

[civic bear]

like what

shes a pioneer

[candid grove]

she beats things up and generates dp

[civic bear]

worst archetype in the game

her dp gen is p smol. its a 2019 stats

[candid grove]

primal casters exist

[steel prairie]

ok nvm I was gonna grind the events until I realize my dumbass forgot to collect the rewards like bruhhh

[candid grove]

idk why you have such a hateboner for pioneers

[civic bear]

fast redeploy at their baseline is still anywhere every 18s

[candid grove]

they've always been solid early ops in my book

granted, half the time your "early ops" can be mudrock, but that's kinda cheesy

[scarlet mortar]

their DP gen is negligible and nowadays agents exist

so like

[candid grove]

their dp gen gets the job done just fine

[civic bear]

frd is still way better bro

[candid grove]

they're not tacticians in terms of dp gen

[civic bear]

shes still fairly cheap

[scarlet mortar]

you can say that abt all the other vg archetypes

[civic bear]

and her s3 is not bad at all

[candid grove]

i guess if you just need a body

[civic bear]

4s stun every 6s is decent

[steel prairie]

wheeze

[pure orchid]

Ironically cs is a better body than siege

[candid grove]

they still have 2 block with decent stats

[scarlet mortar]

if you don't need DP gen usually then ~0 DP gen is also "just fine"

[candid grove]

that's always valuable as a starter

[steel prairie]

so basically fast RD are the punching bags in this game ???

[civic bear]

if ur argument for siege is that she gens dp

lower rarity does the same

what does lower rarity do that same as cs s3?

[candid grove]

she generates dp while also being a pretty good statstick

that's what i said

[pure orchid]

Weird tangent but consider that new player can use gravel and cs for JT8-3 while siege die of cringe to dog

[candid grove]

i feel like you guys have gotten your perceptions of dp gen a little skewed by flagpipe and ines

[wicked minnow]

lmao

mb for that guy

uhhh

[smoky pike]

HOLY FK after 1 hour I beat it

[wicked minnow]

who's defending CS

[smoky pike]

the timing on lappalt's skill was key...

[scarlet mortar]

no lol i straight up don't play with vg's

[wicked minnow]

if your defense of CS that she's better than siege i agree with you 🤫

[scarlet mortar]

a vg that "kinda gens DP" isn't much to write home abt

[candid grove]

i suppose that would do it

[smoky pike]

I had to time it such that the skill DOESN'T phase lapp before it ends, otherwise it won't come back up in time

[candid grove]

i play stupid so i frequenlty need vanguards to quickly get most of my team out to beat stages

[scarlet mortar]

there's no need for them usually

[civic bear]

its not defending cs

but calling her worst 6*

when even at the base

frd is like top tier archetype

[candid grove]

when you arent relying on ops like mountain to completely make early game irrelevant, vanguards are prretty useful

[civic bear]

even when you dont rely on mountain

any vg works

[wicked minnow]

vanguards are kinda a dogshit class very overhyped

[scarlet mortar]

don't have mountain, don't like him, won't use him

[candid grove]

sure, the archetype is good, but ops can still be bad within their archetype

[somber falcon]

i like my pioneers, but who actually copes their dp gen
their kit style has always been geared for normal combat instead of that

[steel prairie]

ok question... which is tankier.. VG or FRD units ???

[wicked minnow]

vanguards are mostly ass with exceptions

[civic bear]

yes

[wicked minnow]

not the other way around

[civic bear]

i dont disagree

[candid grove]

vanguards, not including gravel

[civic bear]

CS is bad within a good archetype

look at siege

its bad within bad archetype

[smoky pike]

I only play waifu vanguards

[steel prairie]

isnt Gravel a specialist ???

[civic bear]

thats literally the point why siege is worse

[pure orchid]

Vulpi good within a bad archetype

[wicked minnow]

yeah i see where you are coming from and agree

[candid grove]

FRD means fast redeploy, gravel's class

[civic bear]

id take a bad op on a usable archetype

[full terrace]

I havent borrowed Crownslayer to test her performance yet, anyone got her built?

[candid grove]

siege isnt bad, she just arguably underperforms for her rarity

[steel prairie]

for me.. besides waifu I want my VG to be atleast able to hold their own until tougher units can be sent down... most of my problem is that they either die or leak enemies

[civic bear]

i mean

[candid grove]

depending on what you want out of 6*s at least

[wicked minnow]

i have her e2 getting her s3m3

[candid grove]

cant say ive ever been unsatisfied with her

[civic bear]

the comparison is out of all 6* anyway

[smoky pike]

I find flametail extremely good in that regard

she has 3 block with s3 up

[pure orchid]

I mean she sucks regardless of investment but the main point is you can at least block smth repeatedly

[wicked minnow]

i might have her built in like a day or two

[steel prairie]

yeah I use her but I need other decent VG as well

[civic bear]

cs sucks

but you know

[smoky pike]

suzumom time

[civic bear]

whats better than sucking and dying once every 70s

its suckign and dying once every 20s

[full terrace]

I'll judge that for myself, do you have her built? Lemme borrow

[civic bear]

cuz atleast that means you did something 3x

[candid grove]

all i know is that i can place down siege and i know she'll do something

[steel prairie]

suzum ?? who is that ???

[smoky pike]

vulpis

[pure orchid]

You can borrow my e0 1 crownslayer zzz

[candid grove]

it's not like every enemy does 2k damage per hit, siege is more than tanky enough to handle early non-elite enemies

[pure orchid]

Im just talking from theory

[steel prairie]

oh yes I do use her but I also find her to be a glass cannon

[wicked minnow]

i feel like people shit on her too easily before trying her out. you can shit on her more when you have her built 🚬

[civic bear]

and so does cs too

cs literally works as opener

frd are just that busted

[pure orchid]

Siege folds nowadays

[steel prairie]

like both my Vulp and Texas are same level yet Vulp couldnt even take a punch on her... you just need to flick her and she gets reduced to atoms

atleast Texas can take some punches

[pure orchid]

lol

[candid grove]

not really, ive used her on occasion at times where i needed two pioneer vanguards

she can handle things fine

[smoky pike]

then how many more vangards do you need

[candid grove]

i didnt get saga until very recently so i couldnt use her

[somber falcon]

the only reason for that is because your tex is e2 (ew)

[pure orchid]

The last time i used siege was ch12, and that only worked cus she was blocking civilians and not modern enemies

[somber falcon]

pioneers are glass without stats 🚬
which is also the main problem with the lower rarity ones

[civic bear]

its because pioneer live and die by their stats

[smoky pike]

wasn't there a vangard that buffed other vangards

[elder flume]

get Ethan when you can
those specialist chips would be good on him tho just E1 to unlock S2 is prob enough
using S1 cuz idk how fast you can promote him
Gummy is Saria but put Saria in front since she tanks better
Lin is E2 here and taking damage from last wave so your E1 will take a lot more than this, use Silence drone more or a better healer than Mulberry
stall the runners as long as you can with more bodies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGjg26VNLvM

[civic bear]

and u dont have maxed out ops

so they are basicly a no limb guard

[steel prairie]

in terms of viability and later stuff I only have 1 good VG which is flametail... other then that.....

[candid grove]

yeah, that's what makes siege and flametail solid

[steel prairie]

I need more

[somber falcon]

siege

[candid grove]

siege has pretty decent raw stats

[willow zealot]

hello i came to observe siege vs cs (what kind of schizophrenia is this)

[steel prairie]

thats why I said I want Bagpipe and Saga... to fill in those missing VG gaps

and waifu

lol

[somber falcon]

what gaps lmao

[civic bear]

flametail is solid she got ways to survive

[smoky pike]

flametail is also very good in bed

[civic bear]

same with saga vulpis

but siege

[smoky pike]

her tail is super warm and soft

[somber falcon]

you barely need one in general content

[steel prairie]

cause technically speaking I only have 1 decent VG which is flametail

[somber falcon]

that's enough

[steel prairie]

indeed

[somber falcon]

more than enough

[candid grove]

saga's pretty squishy

[steel prairie]

WDYM more than enough ???

[candid grove]

she just has the damage to kill things fast

[civic bear]

your issue of vg dying is something that cant be solved with just adding more vanguards

[steel prairie]

ok but what about leaking enemies ???

[civic bear]

its like saying 1 more lane will solve traffic

[candid grove]

yeah, im pretty sure the problem is systematic

[civic bear]

lets simple it down

why leak happened

[candid grove]

either level issue or skill issue

[civic bear]

the simplest form is because not enough dps

[steel prairie]

ok but what if you need to guard two lanes at the beginning ???

[civic bear]

but what if i already put the best dps i could possibly have

[candid grove]

two vanguards

[civic bear]

that means its not enough blocks

what if i cant do either of those

[steel prairie]

exactly... yet he says 1 is enough... so how do I block two lanes then

[civic bear]

because the lack of dp

but how to get dp

[candid grove]

for the record, i say 2 vanguards

[civic bear]

if your vanguard doesnt immediately refund their cost

[steel prairie]

yeah... and I only have 1 viable one

[civic bear]

you dont go plus in dp magically

[steel prairie]

so I need those to fill in the gaps

[candid grove]

you've got 3 viable ones

[steel prairie]

wdym ???

[maiden hound]

wdym bro you got vulpis flametail
that's two

[candid grove]

just pick texas and flametail/vulpis

texas is e2 so no point wasting the investment

[smoky pike]

he said vulpis isn't good enough

[civic bear]

just use noir corne

legit try deploying him as opener

[candid grove]

flametail is real solid if you give her a few more levels

[steel prairie]

Vulp literally dies to a fukin flick... you can flick her and you basically yeet her across the solar system XD

[candid grove]

and yeah, noir corne is another option

[civic bear]

bro

have u used noir corne

[candid grove]

what are their levels?

[steel prairie]

she is solid but she cant hold two lanes

[steel prairie]

e1 level 50

[candid grove]

that's what the second vanguard is for

what mission is this again?

the same one?

[steel prairie]

im talking about levels in general

[elder flume]

teaching this wont let people understand within 1 day so

[steel prairie]

in general I have a VG problem

[candid grove]

well, levels in general will depend on the level

[civic bear]

the dev arent dumb in game deisgn

when they design two lane

they dont make it super rush all the time

[candid grove]

you do not have a vanguard problem, year 1 content is designed around pioneer vanguards to begin with

[civic bear]

if they do rush you then they typically have low hp stat so they are killable quick

[smoky pike]

two lane means you put flametail on S2 and use her dodge aura to keep your worse vanguard live

[candid grove]

invest in 2 pioneer vanguards of your choice and you'll do fine

[smoky pike]

[maiden hound]

99% sure it's placement issue. here's her stats compared to texas

[somber falcon]

it's just stat issue
his tex is e2, vulpis e1

[civic bear]

noir corne e0 lvl 30 has more defense than vulpis maxed out

and more hp

same exact dp cost

[scarlet mortar]

wait why did bro E2 texas

[civic bear]

just try noir corne like genuinely

noir corne and vulpis

[scarlet mortar]

immense gaming

[smoky pike]

holy power creep she beats texas by 50 points on everything

[maiden hound]

trigger happy on the e2 tix probably

[smoky pike]

[tepid sigil]

This alone shows unfairness lol

[elder flume]

if only she beats Texas by 50 dp

[tepid sigil]

It's like I'm comparing E1 mlynar with E2 mod3 silverash

[willow zealot]

always love watching #strategy

[smoky pike]

I'm glad to see more flametail simps appreciators here

[elder flume]

giving something is always hard when the opposition rejects

[steel prairie]

uhhh I still see thats way more hp and def

[somber falcon]

❓

[wicked minnow]

i would imagine eblana solos this stage quite handedly

[pure orchid]

penance 🚬

[full terrace]

Ling literally solo

[candid grove]

@steel prairie just make a team kinda like this or something and you should do alright for a lot of early content

other than the casters, i think i saw you have everyone else

[full terrace]

What Vanguard? Skill issue you mean

[candid grove]

except for maybe cuora

[civic bear]

penance and castle duos

castle just to bait bonethrower attack few times at start till penance can be deployed

[wicked minnow]

i thought that was a given. eblana would be cheaper even cheaper dp wise

[candid grove]

regardless of how good or bad pioneer vanguards are, they are, at the absolute minimum, functional and should be easier for you to use than myrtle since you dont have to worry about 0 block

[civic bear]

all ops are functional

[candid grove]

i dont care how squishy texas is, she's not gonna lose to 2 chapter 6 fodder enemies

[candid grove]

base swire exists

frostleaf too i guess, but she's already been thoroughly beaten

[full terrace]

Only Pioneers I use are Fang and Vanilla

[civic bear]

those all functional

swire can buff as intended

frostleaf can bind as intended

[full terrace]

Oh and Yato

[candid grove]

in theory

[civic bear]

heck frostleaf had a guard record in ri-ex-8

not evne in theory

its niche sure

[candid grove]

swire has a pretty damn hard time buffing anyone

what about swire?

[steel prairie]

ok so they are doing 0 dmg to Lin... yet later on Lin fucking explodes ???

[elder flume]

you just use Swire like you use Bryophyta no

[civic bear]

ye

[scarlet mortar]

bonethrower leaders

[candid grove]

lin is immune to all damage that is below a certain amount

[steel prairie]

wait they can go thro it ???

[scarlet mortar]

they have more atk lol

[candid grove]

the leaders do more damage than that so they instantly kill her

[steel prairie]

bruhhhhhhhhhhh

[scarlet mortar]

lin either no-sells the damage or instantly eats shit

that's how she's built

[elder flume]

[candid grove]

yeah, but the problem is that she cant really use her s2, she can use her s1 but it's rather weak and doesnt buff her at all

[steel prairie]

also I like how Lin is literally teased in chapter 6 yet it took her that long to be released ???

[scarlet mortar]

lmao

crownslayer's from chapter 1?

it took her even later

[candid grove]

the range extension is nice and all but it very rarely changes anything in practice

at least whenever ive tried to use her

[steel prairie]

thats why I assumed Lin was released near Chen releases... and thought she was in the Kernal banner.. yet it actually took her THAT long to be released ???

[scarlet mortar]

some ops were teased from before the game released and it took them 5 years

don't think too much abt it

[tepid sigil]

i dont remember lin was teased in chapter 6
all i remember she was just a npc

[scarlet mortar]

that's what they mean by teasing

except not really, ops' first appearance don't correlate to their release

[tepid sigil]

our definition of character teaser is different then

[steel prairie]

sooo... Talauh was teased in chapter 5... sooo we might have to wait maybe 1 more year for her ???

[scarlet mortar]

cluel

[wicked minnow]

ok i was looking at 4* for some reason i defaulted to that. the guard record was reduced to 2 ops removing frostleaf lmao

[steel prairie]

wait no chapter 3

[scarlet mortar]

ch1 lmao

[candid grove]

scout when

[tepid sigil]

damn frostnova been teased for so long, why is she not a playable character yet

[scarlet mortar]

mandragora waiting room

[steel prairie]

cause she in the fukin gulag thats why

[civic bear]

2 op was after bunch of pwoercreep ye

but 3 op cm was frostleaf first time

[candid grove]

on the third year after her alleged death, she will rise again so that all may bask in her splendor

[elder flume]

youre using it to buff the blocker in front mainly while still adding damage from Swire
nothing wrong with it

[civic bear]

swire is more of the issue that buff are niche anyway

but her buff does work

if that isnt functional then the line is blurry

[candid grove]

yeah, it's just that ive never seen her s1 make any difference whatsoever and she just has a hard time using her s2

[steel prairie]

nah we all know that Swire deals the most dmg with her words

[candid grove]

the true damage is how every single op with drill hair gets it removed in everything but their base art

[civic bear]

it got used back then by e0

mainly because e0 instructor got decent trait

[elder flume]

Functional is different to each yea
I raised Conviction with the goal of S2 stunning my ops so i can filter enemies going to certain ops without retreating

Its not the intended use but it works and is functioning

[wicked minnow]

conviction powercrept by u-official 😭

[elder flume]

She still needs 88s to be used again its fine

[civic bear]

u have 2 options now

[candid grove]

i suppose swire's kit does technically function if the definition of function in this context is that she makes a ground operator's stats go up

it's impossible to say that +12% atk will never make a difference, but it's hard to say that it's doing much

[civic bear]

she even get mod now

[candid grove]

if it was more practical to buff 3+ ground ops with swire, id say she wouldnt be all that bad

[civic bear]

so she get more use

now a sp batt

[candid grove]

true, it makes her s2 actually possible to use

she only gives sp to herself though

[civic bear]

oh yea as in that

s1 still better tho

[candid grove]

it's a pretty significant upgrade, but it doesnt really change that her s2 is very hard to use

yeah, but her s1 is also a lot less potent

[civic bear]

it buffs everyone

so thats kinda the tradeoff

[candid grove]

only ground ops

[civic bear]

its less potent because it buffs aoe

ofc ground ops yes

[elder flume]

Melee allies thats on ranged tile exists

[candid grove]

true

[civic bear]

but most op are gnna be on ground ops

[candid grove]

isnt that mainly just shifters though?

[civic bear]

instructors

[candid grove]

is ela considered a melee op?

oh, right

[limpid ore]

back in the day, it was pretty good for melee only abandoned high-rise

[candid grove]

you can put them on ranged tiles now

some of them

[civic bear]

the area being quite big is the appeal

[limpid ore]

melee tagged operator

[civic bear]

feline uses it from time to time

[candid grove]

yeah, but ive never come across any situations where the extra range lets her buff more than maybe a single extra melee op

[candid grove]

as something other than a body to block something?

[civic bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av-stCx2w6s

[candid grove]

yeah, that's the kind of rare situation where she'd be pretty good

[civic bear]

this one s2

there was a cc using s1

s2 is the better self dps skill

regardless it works

she just bad ops

the option is there that shes a valid buffsquad op

[limpid ore]

back then we only have silverash, lappland, frostleaf and midnight for ranged attack melee operator

[candid grove]

is this a minimum ops run too?

or just no 6*?

just out of curiosity

[civic bear]

its a long ass vid

[steel prairie]

ok how come no one told me when GreyThroat takes off her jacket she is sexy af ???

[civic bear]

just no 6*

[candid grove]

i know they use all 12 slots but idk if that's the minimum or not

[scarlet mortar]

nobody told you bc they disagree

[civic bear]

obv not min ops overall

cuz 6* abuse op

no 6* wise prob can optimize some

[steel prairie]

also why Hyper made us able to use a trial characters against Faust but not against Nova ???

[wicked minnow]

folinic better but to each their own

[candid grove]

tbf, there are still plenty of no 6* minimum ops runs

i was just wondering if swire was essential or able to be trimmed here

[scarlet mortar]

that's when you don't add a second restriction

[steel prairie]

I just realize so many characters in game have their jackets on but comm on takeoff those jacket man

[civic bear]

wdym by no 6* minimum op runs like

[scarlet mortar]

with no 6* cats you have to consider how the stronger dps options are gone

and you don't have like, scene

[civic bear]

as in low op where no 6* matches 6* records?

thatd only be on like some ez stage

[candid grove]

no, i mean without 6*s while using as few ops as possible

[civic bear]

oh

that vid def isnt

its old but also

[candid grove]

so the team might only have 3 5* ops or something, for example

[civic bear]

you could always do better

nah

3 5* is not clearing that

😂

[candid grove]

i know, just throwing out a random number

[civic bear]

the video was 2 years ago so

rough guess

could probably cut down 3 ops