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awful quality holy tf is this compression
miau#3275
Added you, just acc
guess if the timing between revive -> pillar -> laser's long enough you can just barely eke out a DB S3
damn i can't believe you're using such overlevelled ops like E1max 3*s
😔
fuck thats so genius
but it seem so hard to pull off
also the irony in cardigan being the better pick than the 4*s
she's like half a medic on herself
well yes but you can compensate by just
using ptilo s2
ptilo s2 is stronger stall
and u only need to stall for like what
20s to give enough time for logos
p2 is a bit tighter so you want to have the op you borrow to carry remaining damage
yeah
the strongest caster of all time
on mine the p1 mandra is already at 5% hp before pillard
also technically i lost damage because my 1st pillar was late
logos couldve dealt more
even better way wouldve to kill p1 with 1st pillar and then pillar twice p2
all the same thing

is midnight arts damage
Only on skill
looks like sogoL
logos is his
is it leizi
i mean leizi can work
but you better face her correctly lol
i just borrowed whatever that can handle left lane
i really really really really hate chapter 9
that res thing and together with shield enemies

Virt shill
will e2 shirayuki help
sure yea
im gonna go get chips and come back with e2 shirayuki
Bro's using anything but ray 
sorry but its maxed
ray can hit left side and middle
like mod
What
and things
turn off mod
wait u can turn off
oh……
Why's that matter 
im just trying to avoid using mod cuz like
the part dont intend u to use mod
right

Says who
mod missions are like 2 chapters later
Mods released way before ch 9
That's mine
yeah i turned it off
yeah but
same logic as why i dont borrow a maxed wis
thats where the intend means
if you really want to learn the game ngl maybe pivot with 4*s only
i hope the future chapters wont have these kind of gimmicks
every day i wake up to find a 6* ignoring mechanics
I would think getting stuck in the same stage for like 3 hrs should make you understand the specific mechanic
oh dw refraction won't show up much later
there's worse though
locked in too hard my brain hurts

Zuo le solos manfraud 
anyone know if this counts as 170% atk_scale, +70% atk, or a separate damage instant entirely?
raHHHHHHH
ok but i think i need to e2 my own sniper
congrats
i couldnt deal with the flying revival rock without the support
kinda late atp
but you can instakill them by dropping pillar on them
without the revive?
yeah

it's borderline impressive how you cleared it with that bad logos positioning
no i tried other positions that one work best
ok nvm, literally all 3 rocks are in the range of your ops, wtf
i had to tank for a while anyway so i used saria and the 2 healers
Thorn can solo left lane 
only that specific column can hit both lanes
one tile up it fucks up the pillar
one tile down the range doesnt reach and cant kill the boss fast enough
i dun have thorns man
What op you borrow?
Qui'lon is finally announced🥹
The Trading post squad looks fun, will definitely use it.
Oh
Ulpi solos the boss
S2 tho
Need to save pillars for phase 2
Is it okay use Ulpipi S2 not M3 on GO EX 8 CM ? Or it must S3M3?
In front of blue box?
Yeah, but you'd need extra healing
Okok
Woh that new IS content seems super fun
Strat for ls-4?
Brrw wisadel
I wanna auto it
Take a few aoe ops
Fw s2 should work
Lava and gitano could also work without levels
why are you doing exp stages?
Yeah two aoe caster clears it @dusky hawk
E2 Firewatch 
@jaunty hill what are your ops?
Texas alter
Wisadel
Logos
Surtr
Lappland (for the static boss)
Executor alter
Pepe
Narantuya (not using her)
Ebenholz (not using him)
Skadi alter
And warfarin (trash I know)
All e2
Try baiting the first tool drop with texalt
Then set up wis and a medic straight on Alistair's face
Still got a lot to upgrade
Those are basically E1 units. The point of E2-ing an operator is mainly for their Mastery level especially if you arent touching their S3. Module for some ops. What stage are you doing there?
Ex-8 cm
Should be doable
Penance S1 Lv7 is 4 secs charge Auto Recovery, you can wand her and have her stall the Steam Knight
That Steam Knight is the main threat really
Alistair shouldnt be a problem with Logos there
Naratuya should help a lot with drones, just make sure she is healed
She even solo CA-5, she is one of the best drone killers
Also borrow a Mlynar that should be easy finish
@jaunty hill here I ran you a simulation, but this will be extremely inaccurate because my ops are M3-ed. Just use it as reference and adjust accordingly.
It's a Mlynar borrow clear. Again, make sure your Penance is wanded.


Source?
@astral cosmos what you want schizo
can u explain to me how this formula works
so that I can try adapting it to different operators
especially the more annoying ones like absinthe s2 or greyy alt 🥹
My understand of everything got crushed when i realized different relics that say atk% can be categorized different and summed differently, i resign
Oh what the hell thanks
Best of luck there
okay 1 minute
no but i mean
i don't care about aspd or atk% modifiers rn 
just buffless ops
-# ok well some skills might inherently be fucked up with mult or add, idk which ones though or if there are any 🥹
Okay you need to categories types of damage but just for the most part theres buffs (+x atk%) and scales (x% of atk, change atk to x%)
TLDR: you sum up their self buffs then multiply that with all the scales
all of this is premitigation damage
then calculate mitigations, ressitance is easy to just multiply (1 - R/100), and defense is just subtraction
after that you do post mitigation amps like ray's phys damage talent
now for absinthe you asked for DPS
for non infinite skills it's better to calc total dmg no?

well i didn't because it was resistance
but if it were defense
you would want to divide by interval post mitigation to get DPS
do not try to calculate hunter damage without adult supervision
oh ai let me in

chisha's formula for # of bullets ray fires in S3 was incorrect initially atleast
yeah i pasted the correction as well
with the x2 yes good boy
er it isn't only arknights resources so 
this is so much more fun than having to tutor highschoolers in algebra 😭

gonna give them an AK damage calc hw assignment, who do you want them to calculate
it is more fun than when i was tutoring 1st year uni student on biochem
Genuinely curious, just how math nerd are u 
how do i quantify that
absinthe s2 total dmg 
let them compare sl7 versus m3, modless versus mod3
I have no idea, between us two you're the math guy 
If anyone's doing any quantifying its u
im not doing allat either that skill is suspicious do you actually use it
Sounds about right, logical even 
exactly, let them do it 
in function of res ofc
i have used this skill a total of 2 times i think
in the 7 times i've used absinthe

I used 0 in the 2 times IS really wanted me to have her today
you would have prevented this mischief by simply borrowing her 
@astral cosmos literally just learn to identify the different multiplier types and thats it you just multiply them for premitigation
or rather learn to identify the +atk% buffs and sum them then multiply with the rest
yep i just mainly had to identify the components of the formula and what they meant 🥹
the true true damage formula is annoying as shit so just learn things as concepts
it helps with any logic based subjects math science CS
no one example?
I prefer finding an enemy with x def y res z hp and if it kills at the last moment then thats the number 
yeah if you learn how and where things fit you can condense and expand formulas as you need
-# i'm just a biochem student, i suck at math 

its alot about adaptability so just build up from simpler ones like absinthe... to Ray
same but im microbio 
i will rather have to do coldshot
well i specialise in microbio way more than biochem so 
They are quite related
they are ofc
s1 has zero point so s2
Im still backreading but isnt absinthe s2 just like attack scale from s2 + multi hit + attack scale from talent + res ignore from mod. I dont think it's especially difficult to calculate atleast
With talent active
Its not hard to calculate at all just useless because its gonna used to kill groups not like dps one target
absinthe s2 is very much single target dps i dont get you
Also calculating coldshot should be way more effort than absinthe
no just mostly saying dont bother calculating in the first place of absinethe s2
cold shot isn't bad if you just look at single shot... then it gets really funny
coldshot could be really bad to calculate since depending on the def amount, removing mod might actually increase her damage 
nvm ig i lied lmao. apparently there shouldnt be anytime where she is worse because of mod reloading 2 shots conflicting with talent
iirc the cycle times for coldshot is 1.6 second reload off-skill. 2.4 seconds reload on skill 1.2 seconds attack interval in either case. so going off that yeah she doesnt lose damage
ye d1 should be the big hit with no mod. d2 is big hit with mod d3 is small hit with mod
assuming she is out of shots to give no mod a bit of an advantage but that didnt matter apparently
Hm did I do something wrong
I got there is some overlap at very low defense
oh i did full S2 damage
for low def, it shouldnt even be close, mod is way better
thing is 1 shot gets affected by talent and the other doesnt so keep that in mind ig

its really bad just because of hunter mechanic
ok then i'll try it myself hang on 
-# watch me fail miserably
yeah but im using sum with n so if n is odd the shot gets te talent
oh wait shit
i did 1.41 not 0.41
😭
😭
man ts pmo
Good news the break points at 4600 defense
where cold shot does -14000 damage

thats not a ~ its a negative /s
this a joke rechord do not write this down
writes it down just in case
yeah i guess its easy to implement the floor here
i still dont know what floor does but i've seen a bunch of people use it for calcs
basically h0 and h1 are hit counts
i calculate how many bullets she can fire after the initial 8 bullet mag
during the s2 duration
then use floor to round it down because the decimal shot means its fired after her skill ends
oh i see
wait what's c and what's b again


b was base attack, c was i forgot uhhh
was it her talent
thats the letter i used for the talent yes
oh
but in the coldshot one i used t for talent lmao
sometimes i am fancy and do res/100
sometimes im lazy and just write resistance as directly a decimal
what is s again
now heres the neat part this gets fucked overfor defense because its multiple hits
for resistance you're chilling... mostly...

its complicated at high res
i think wait let me think
wait yeah cause res applies to each hit separately
ignore that do not think and pretend high res doesn't exist
yes then 5% bullshit
and you have to do pre/post mit shit
ok i have an itch down my throat that can only be reached by a double barrel shotgun now
guys it cant be that bad to calculate absinthe's damage surely
maybe i should teach you to seperate the functions
also uh lets get rid of 1/i is kind of dumb
and when you calculate 5% min it needs to be the last thing you calculate
alright removing 1/i
i have to make a separate function to calc the res application for each hit?
no you make seperate function to just calculate the premitigation of a single hit
i dont think you need to do all that with res
which includes res yeah?
then you calculate using max() whats bigger? premitxres or premitx0.05
did I infect light
oh na you are right but there's probably a simpler way to do it 
oh i might be stupid amn't i
500 premit vs 99 res lets test
oh god its just multiplication im over complicating this
better to learn it this way anyways
ya so clearing the function ig 
not really
almost done making one with max
remove 1/i
replace sb with helper function that just does premit damage so it only takes b as a parameter
implement max for 5% min after you do that
hum so premit dmg is just 90% atk and that's it? so without res and stuff
thats it yes
this isn't necessary to use a seperate function
but its good to try not repeating things because
you need to compare premit*res and 0.05xpremit
what are your ops?
Ascalon E2 + Mod
also e2 ascalon
ascalon is that useful?
what is ebenholz doing here 
use S2 too btw shes sleeper op
i dunno i think he can do something?
i've legit never done max functions before

then how i would use ascalon?
so max(a,b) returns whichever one is bigger
ohhh ic
soo should i replace eben, and if yes then which one?
he's mainly used in hyperbuff comps for oneshotting
aside from this he's a pretty meh arts dps
its very awkward at first but you can put her in alot of positions and takes a bit of trial and error and depends on stage
she can dodge 50/50 and requires a little less medic attention, and she can basically cripple enemies with her slow
hell ascalon module on s2 can even slow down aerial to some degree despite not damaging air
basically a premium staller with arts DoT and great cycles
and yeah you only use s2
so she will help my exusai deal with drones??
you use ascalon as one of the first deployed that catches most of the enemies, her initial sp is fairly high to use it early, and onwards its chill
well that wasn't the point sorry just saying thats another dumb thing ascalon does, shes supposed to cripple ground units
exu shouldn't need help from asca
exu as a whole is removable from your squad 
where are you n teh game state?
yeah exu shits herself in pretty much most content you'll do in the future
you have mlynar anyways
yeah ascalon felt amazing to use in story you can use her both defensively and offensively
tbh i don't even know when i should use his skill💔
exu sadly got powercrept by enemies of the game due to their high defense, so exu cant do much
ofc requires a little stage knowledge to use offensively and up front incase some strong ranged
ascalons usually one of my first placed units after ines makes some dp
her you mean 
you generally use s3 but even then she sucks
can just remove her
what are your ops
you can take off vanguards off the field but ascalon stays
wait you were talking about mlynar
just use his skill whenever you want something dead fast

ascalon is basically your main dps and 'laneholder' since she pretty much slows enemies long enough that your ranged ops would kill them
its okay he nukes everything as a panic and even if you dont use skill because you have commitment issues like i do, he can just tank agro
she seems like a sub dps but she really can cripple elites by herself too lmao
so your general gameplan is to ascalon, mlynar, maybe a blocker for good measure, and just win!
lmao literally i don't activate mlynar skill, put him next to ascalon to agro and just heal
and watch them suffer

mlynar explodes boss
ascalons dps is nothing to scoff at, bro sweeps an entire stage easy just by herself
^^^^ asclon s2 masteries are incredibly good
like drux said early the initial sp is crazy high so she activates skill in 5 seconds
real
and i'm out of sanity💔
Exusiai is cool and she has a module coming up** which does make her a little better but her main function is to take care of non tanky drones thats it...
still
wait so uh
how does one do a helper function 
i mean in my case at least
cause I looked at the helper function in your coldshot calcs but erm
erm
i use exu to buff other operator 
i just need an ops to deal with smol drones tho
then exu can cover that just fine
wait for the next Exusiai module if you do build her its coming in like 2 months
yes thats what her job is
Reed and Eben can worry about def heavy drones
so i wonder why did i need to choose when i can promote both of them🔥 but after i got enough chips, yes💔
Ascalon Mlynar and Reed will exterminate everything else
Ascalon and its not even close
i got 0 chips for both
😔
farm chips 
dang focus on guard chips is fire🔥💔
or go do IS monthlies
alright can you go somewhere like is3
Yeah but you should probably farm the current event first
then do mizuki's monthly squad
make sure you got the furniture + operator tokens or you will regret it in exactly a year
i mean, you are kinda past having to worry about drones starting chapter 9
chapter 8 is like the last chapter with any remarkable drone enemy
@astral cosmos you done?
Yo rechord, I just notice you really did upload your Spuria clear to arkrec
why?
yeah i did as soon as i completed it 
😏
The current event is first run, on its rerun in about a year you get purple certs(orundum) and gold certs for buying the furniture and stuff again
ocee thanks
you make another funciton with different name and you only pass in what you need
Im done and i can spoil it but you should try to figure it out a little
-# yep just need to figure out what I need
well i told you only need premit for 1 attack
thats just s*b
s isn't a parameter
b is, so you just need to make a helper that takes b and calculates damage with s thats it its very simple for absinthe
cold shot was bad because trait scale and talent scales
huh that's literally just it?
yeap exactly
oh ok i did do that initially but then I tried to integrate it in the main function and failed
so thought it wasn't it
now your function for damage a() should use this to calculate a single attack rotation, which takes 4 of these h(b), calculates mitigation (using r) then calculates postmit scale (using c)
so essentially just
well thats just using b for base damage
you want to use the function we made to put in premit damage
where x0.9
that "s" in the above screenshot
what is h even supposed to be here
that's what I was thinking about, but how to integrate it in here... that's what I gotta think about 
so essentially when we call function a(wit some paramter b, we want to then "forward" b in to h which calculates premitigation seperately
so replace b with h(b)
hey what if, you just calculate the total damage, then just have that as premit and then do the minimum of 5% on it
this is res no def
not like you need to do all this convoluted stuff
I know but im trying to teach him how to make as applicable
res or not
this isn't about just doing absinthe this is a math/desmos class
bruh
this is a bad explanation of a function 
if you have a(b). that would mean the value of a with respect to b. or in other words a as a function of b
you can also just do h = bs
doesnt really matter since h := h(b)
be weary tho since desmos can sometimes interpret h(b) as multiplication instead of "as a function of"
For a second I thought I opened the data science or mathematics server.
Who can I swap? I got thorns blaze and saria logos too
well first off, can you share your roster
left side is fairly straightforward if you have mudrock
lumen can be replaced with any competent healer for the most part
Don't have 
well uh, post roster!
Hold on
Horn S1 carries on left, use any landholder for top.
Source: Detektyw
which red box?
top?
Over there works. Down there also works, whichever you like.
Don't they also need to put someone nearby to take aggro from casters? Or logos tanks it with healer?
Seal off the 3x3 area around the mid red box using Hoshi and someone else (Nian maybe)
Casters won't survive long enough against Thorn/Horn and both sides have medics
so no need to place anyone near the blue box?
Yeah you can spawn camp them
icic
Caster what they die in 0.1 secs if you camp mid red box
Only threat is down there
Bottom left
I forgot what trying to flank bottom left? There is like 3.5 enemies.... Oh it is freezethrowers?
Can afk your Blaze at bottom left and assign a Medic to her
No. Get rid of that defensive play mentality, go full offensive
yea I'm too defensive for my own good
Lemme draw it for you brb
I'm ashamed I can't even full clear this 5 years on
Do you buy like all the skins?
I have seen most of your ops with skin
In your clears
Almost 100% of free
into skins 
These days you can just Walter it. Had to 100% it with alt a few days back, she just erases those afking guys. Also you can use her spikes to shield your ops. Arflanyr mention this actually. Works nicely with low Op or any team.
thanks light 
I play without Walter most of content because it is more entertaining than just winning. It is not competitive game after all 
Yeah, doing events with random 5* and 4* you've built recently is more fun.
Don't forget to account for snowball in your face YEET and invisible snipers near end (No issue if you Horn S1ing)
o7 im so cooked lmao
Here @bleak blade
- Red Blaze, facing left
- Yellow Ifrit, facing left
- Blue Logos, facing left
- White SilverAsh, facing left
- Purple Saria
- Greens Medics
Everyone is healed that way.
thanks!
If you just wanna grab the first clear, you may also borrow Wisadel and place her on that pink circled tile, but retreat her Revenant Shadows on the cross white tiles and keep the one on white check mark tile
I don't need to repeat clear?
That way Wisadel will keep her Camouflage, and keep the furnace lit up
And she controls all lanes (both mid red box and bot left red box)
that's pretty sick
The reason you retreat the Revenant Shadows is to bait the snowballers' attacks on Blaze ahead of them instead of Wis
you could auto it but its leaving soon anyway
Soon? In like 2 months no?
the main reason you'd auto it is because by farming this one instead of lungmen downtown, you use less sanity and 1 less proxy ticket
but

this is in sequence?
Instead just throw extra dps to help Logos killing stuff in mid red box
got it
No, sequence is ranged dps first, then ground units
ok
Oh Vanguard first to generate DP
oh is it not 2 weeks 
Should be 2 weeks still
Idk when
Nymph?
Worth the auto 😂
I'll try not to over rely on wisadel
It is okay-ish to rely on broken units to do content. But I personally lose interest in game if i just dominate no stop, so i suffer trying to do 6*less on most stages (Usually i give up around EX-8 or its CM in events) 
better do it soon
Maps seems tough
Event is 1 day left 
time to try
doable
oh shit..
Bring all your dpses to help
There are 3 slots left
Take Eyja
Take Thorns as well yeah
If you wanna bring Eyja, use Eyja S2 on that red circled tile facing left she will kill everything spawning from that red box, then the Medic on green circled tile facing up
You deploy your Vanguard
To the right of the furnace
Then light the furnace up
No, ignore the top right
You can start here for example
Then light up the furnace
Then deploy Eyja right away to camp the red box
And to lanehold
Your Vanguard will block a bit for Eyja
You unfroze it with fire too early
well where else would the burdenbeast go 
Errr
Which pig
ah damn it
bottom burdenbeast
Ah yea that one
One which was next to blaze-it activated by logos
What Minus said
Blaze first then Medic then Logos should fix your problem
got it
Pay attention to the bottom right burdenbeast as well, dont wake it up too early @bleak blade
You can use your Thorns/Lappland to handle it
like this?
bottom right how
enemy won't come from bottom right?
Ok I remove a vanguard
All enemies who goes there need to pass Saria. Only enemy who can come close would be shield guy who takes top left corner (Other corners will die to Eyja and Logos before advancing)
WAIT WHO WILL KILL FROZEN BEAST at bottom right? 
He got Lappland/Thorns still
No big deal, just deploy one of them behind Perfumer
All good
That bottom pig gonna take a while to kill
It's not that tough
Just happy my ifrit can be used
Lol my thorns died
Good thing vanguard around
Anything I need to take notes after 300/400?
Eh.. I dont think there is anything special in this map aside from the snowballers
And the invisible enemies near the end
Its fine
Can't remember S2 S3 difference
Ooh
s2 is quite cozy ye
How do I beat H8-4 with this lineup? Or do I need to tweak it a lil(also support recommendations)
borrowing NG or logos to deal with phase transition and stop the civs from dying can be nice
I mean your SilverAsh can slash that far but sure if you wish to
Oooh right
Talulah keep burning the villagers
Idk why, I place my medics pretty early, so idk why talulah target them and burn the villagers
Talubruh can't burn already burning target, so need 4 bodies if no fast redeploy baits.
Talubruh cross explosion spreads from ranged units to civilians if they are next to each other
I'm cooked
Sooo
Is smth like this good

Ok time to try again
I done it once and don't want to do it ever again. Also Jaye useless as bait because not fast redeploy and 0 tanking because no gravel s2 shield
oh rip no other 18s
They still have to walk toward the left side of your Logos, when they enter Logos range and he starts attacking, deploy your Vanguard on top of them
So my lappland was a mistake?
Yah Lappland positioning is a bit overkill since Eyja is powerful enough to hold that lane
Yah SilverAsh skill is meant to be used during emergency
Gonna change it
I mean you are already at 350, thats one step away from clearing it
Last step always a pain
I'm definitely giving up on GO EX 8 CM.... I barely cleared the normal stage.
Kinda regretting of not building Walter earlier...
who do you have?
Idk which is more annoying, the boss or those damn steam knights?
uhhh you should be good
SK is easier in CM imo
just looked you up on friends list. you'll be fiiiiine
perma frighten goes far
It's going to be a long day, cuz the guides I mostly see rn, need Walter and/or Mlyner
And I haven't level these two yet... Definitely regretting on that.
you got surtr?
Yeah level 80 s3m3
you got shu?
oh. in my clear i just dealt with the boss and all the enemies in the middle with surtr + shu
you might need to redeploy her multiple times otherwise but i havent done that myself tho
I can try to get Walter on a friend support, if only that damn friend support refresh is willing to help me.
I still got two days... Sigh, better get this stage settled so that I can farm on GO 6 or was it 7?
The 1st blue tier material
you have Mud so thats 1 lane covered
@bleak blade if you want, you may also relocate Saria and Thorns here since these 2 tiles are controlled by Perfumer
Ooooh
They will also take care of that frozen burdenbeast
Think a little too late
Yeah, actually you know what pissed me off the most... The damn flying whatever that was... Sheesh, GO EX 7 was damn annoying
Didn’t make it, I give up
what did you die to?
I try to make talulah hit jaye and gravel but she didn’t and she kill my silence, which means I don’t have any medics on the bottom row
oh damn h8-4
... Was that Chapter 8 H stage...?
And then it fell apart from there
Yup
the status effect? you deployed them too late then

No it isn’t
.... Ahhhhh, that stage took me 4 years to get it cleared.
😭
that's not NG s3 
just deploy gravel as soon as she's up
or thay
Do I have to use her s3
Actually, Logos S3 can hold the fire until the end right?
🏃♂️
yes
just timed it
so all deleted
Can I use Eyja for better healing
you need to use logos a tiny bit before the fireballs start coming
The problem for me isn’t the fireballs, my lineup fell apart during phase 1
get ng for res

and cage
so close....
actually
was mlynar not deployed yet
i think she cant hold more than 2 lanes at a time from what i've seen tested so i dont think she would work for fireball phase
Like this so that they are in the furnace coverage in case you wanna reposition them
sc it
Thorn can hit furnace?
Yah he can
I place him before Talulah come out, then after that I undeploy him
................
My plan for H8-4 was to defeat Talulah phrase one quickly with Surtr and Specalter... and quickly focus on healing. Took a lot of tries though, the top lane and bottom lane, my defenders kept getting killed....
I feel like shit
You can reposition them to these 2 tiles #strategy message and they wont get frozen. They get killed at top left because 1. Saria is their only healer and 2. Saria get frozen
Have to
By repositioning them there, they are 1. Within Perfumer control range, and so they got healer 2. They are in the furnace coverage and so nobody is frozen
Actually, was there a reason why the operators on the top left corner...?
oh right drones 
I only focused mainly on the top right and the bottom for the icefield annihilation.
just stop defending top left and move them to middle then
....
I mean he is at 390/400 thats probably just skill timing but yeah
Repositioning them is safer
Safer clear
Plus, I am certain that the furnace there is not going to cover these two operators.
better?
ye
Noice
If you want to do it like this, reposition your Myrtle
Ok
Have Myrtle on the bottom right furnace. I don't think she needs to stand on that one.
Move your Myrtle here
^
You are already at 390/400, this should be a clear
Yah because she is the only healer and your dps couldnt keep up
Yup
I ran that formation on my alt account but my dps could keep up so
Their level not high enough
Will swapping perfume and eyja work?
Saria and Silverash will still be in the healing range right? Just change in direction.
I mean Logos is already handling the lane where SA is, if DPS is an issue for the bottom right, Eyja S3 should be sufficient, no?
Probably splash damage
time to revisit lungmen
Congrats there
didn't see any enemies too
my blaze somehow can recover HP
otherwise I'm gone
Thats her talent
o.o
Perfumer
I think he meant her talent, it's noticeable
perfumer too far
Perfumer's hard to notice 
so glad I have perfumer tho
No Rain meant the % regen
finally found the part for module
owait B1-7 is locked
It probably don't let you proceed because you don't have stage unlocked. Break the Ice should be on event tab
event tab?
damn... Side stories whatever it is named
How do i make the set up better? Should i put lappy to right side?
this? damn...so many
4.something years of side stories 
bruh...
use pluma for bottom lane instead
she's kinda wasted up there, considering only few enemies on late wave goes there
Pluma + Sash or pluma only? I tried earlier and pluma died from the mobs from top right
means I won't be able to clear all soon
Also tomorrow is new week so if you didn't unlock all of them better unlock something to get 1 unlock thingy refreshed tomorrow.
just unlocked break the ice
with sa or cuora
so it refresh one per week
you can also just do the good old push strat up there
you seem to put way too many ops for the top lane
Top lane= sash, shaw, silence, cheeto
Bottom lane= la pluma,cuora, ptilo, nymph, blaze?
Does this sound better?
i finally did beat go-ex-8, is the challange mode much diffrent?
Borrow Nightingale with Module and put bodies on the orange circled tiles to tank the fireballs, then deploy her cage somewhere up there to tank the remaining lane. Also bring some FRDs to constant bait Talulah's ignitions, she burns your ops once every 30 secs.
Gravel+Jaye+Yato(2 Star) combo works
Gravel+Jaye ~> Gravel+Yato ~> Gravel+Jaye ~> Gravel+Yato
If you have Mlynar, he has +1 Taunt and will always take one ignition (if he isnt ignited)
@sturdy cairn sator said to move it here to not flood help 
hop you don't mind arf
yeah i noticed i just made a goof in my calcs, i copy and pasted spalter's folder for her s2 and s3 so her s3 stats were using her s2's sliders
The "bodies", deploy some with high res if possible, like if you have 10~20 base res that would help a lot
You also can snipe Tallulah with s3 upli
mm i haven't even looked at windscoot yet ngl 
Mlynar +ulpi is free burn body ya, you only need 1 bait for second phase
You are good, the channel is for theorycrafting 👍 also I personally am quite happy seeing the channel comes alive the past few days.
you're welcome, arf!
@teal moon @little orchid i'm testing her s3 on these guys right now, top is how much damage she'd deal if it were atk_scale, bottom is if it were atk_mult
is this PRTS wiki?
aceship
ah
nice I can do eyja module

I would prioritize Logos Module if I were you
I did obsidian festival before I quitted
i mean, it shouldn't matter? her damage is still below their defense
so it's unlocked
Brain lagging
Hi arf 
Hi ia 

see whats confusing is my atk_mult calcs line up against the bulwarks, but my atk_scale calcs line up against the vanguards
but yea logos too
tis fine, just ping if you need something
it perfectly matches how the vangaurds just barely don't get one shot
but i dont know why the bulwarks aren't taking the 700-ish damage they're supposed to be, instead hitting the damage floor of 5% instead
yup i'll lyk
i might need surtr to double check my calcs later as well anyways so 
vanguard should be getting hit by 360% + 360% * 70%
yup which is the top one
4624 dmg
they have 4700 hp
ye sure, i'll put her up before sleeping or something, if i forget just ping within 30 mins or so
in the video they take some DoT because of the mist tiles, then when spalter hits them they'll barely survive, which lines up
uh... i mean, vg is hit twice - for 360%, and then again for 360% * 70%
but if i use the same calcs on the bulwarks, they should be taking a considerable amount of damage, 700 compared to their 6500 hp pool
yay first module
ohhh so its a separate attack entirely
thats what i was wondering
the wording made it sound like that but i wasn't entirely sure
what, no by the same logic it should be no damage
if the calcs lined up 360% + 360% * 0.7, then just do the same for bulwark
"description": "Attack interval <@ba.vdown>increases</>, attacks all blocked enemies, ATK <@ba.vup>+{atk:0%}</>, Max HP <@ba.vup>+{max_hp:0%}</>; deal <@ba.vup>{attack@atk_scale_ex:0%}</> ATK as extra Physical damage when attacking enemies with HP percentage equal to or higher than self, otherwise lose <@ba.vdown>{attack@hp_ratio:0%}</> of HP",
no its because i wasn't sure which of the three scenarios it was
he thoughht it was supposed to be a single hit
bruh... locked for a while
- its atk_scale added onto the original hit
- it's atk_multiplier added onto the original hit
- it's atk_scale as an entirely separate damage instance
and it seems like the answer is 3.
How do I deal with this guy?
Gold one is not that hard to handle, you can block it with cuora
that's the real one
either tank him. dps him down quickly, or arts equipment
Make him piss pant
ok yeah that makes more sense now, against bulwarks and against vanguards
Wtf, it's black
alright @sturdy cairn i should be done now, thanks for the spalter 
Then block it with shu or ulpian
This the team I'm using btw
ulpi 😴
no worries, i'll revert it to surtr
Ulpi s3 at front of blue box can handle last steam + snipe boss🤫
Logos Typhon handle the boss Ulpianus Wisadel blow the rest to hell
and the game doesn't make distinction about atk_scale and atk_scale_ex in the formula
I guess I was too late 
is this... s1 ng?
yeah i was suspicious of it because it was atk_scale_ex lol
either way you want s3 regardless
And you don't need nightingale borrow
Eyja borrow for survival ok tho
My main strat is just having logos solo the boss and ulpipi deal with the steamknights, but ulpipi just dies
Might borrow e2 gladia if you concern about ulpi life
they changed the name for random reasons, it's litterally the same as others atk_scale
Can ulpipi solo the steamknights?
With heal, yes. You use s3 for damage here not s2
with gladiia he basically can
"_atkScaleVar": "atk_scale_ex" in the code
With Gladiia sure #strategy message
Where you getting this from btw
and also that block from earlier
🤫
He can solo with s3 not s2?
the irl 1-7 mines
Main problem is where the drone coming and it's start blasting 
I work at hg obv
Off skill s3 logos + gladia mod2/3 are enough to tank 2 steam knight ya
Satori told me he will close an eye on me but Idk if I'm free to share the source honestly
So 3 people is good enough?
not that it's so difficult to find
i mean its not the harmful type so i'd assumine its relatively safe...?
Can you just dms and not share it on official server
S2 works S3 works. S3 has more flexibility coz you can use his redeploy to completely dodge Steam Knight's super punch
It's just flavors
it took me one google search to check if there was any table to implent in my dps calc at the end, it's not like it's hidden 
Is dodging the super punch required for ulpipi to survive?
No but it reduces healing pressure
Uhh bro can literally test it with own ulpi
My gladiia kinda ass
Assuming no Gladiia*
And he also can dodge flying barrage with s3 too
So op
And his original tile cant be locked too 😏
Mhm...
I think I ran a simulation with ulpi for someone few days ago, lemme dig it up one sec
My modless lvl 80 + gladia mod 3 can survive until boss force me quit
okay that was easy lmao
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Here #strategy message but it's someone else's squad. Use it for reference.
In note, you want to kill boss first before steam knight. Unless you legit want facing 4-5 Gundam + drones
The boss is easy, the steamknights tho... They're the reason why I'm stuck doing this stage for almost 2 hours rn
Erm
The big one
The big one face tank him with your Ulpi

