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prisma swift
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that also means my right side defense is dead

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3275

civic bear
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awful quality holy tf is this compression

prisma swift
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miau#3275

somber falcon
scarlet mortar
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guess if the timing between revive -> pillar -> laser's long enough you can just barely eke out a DB S3

scarlet mortar
civic bear
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😔

prisma swift
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but it seem so hard to pull off

civic bear
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you just deploy gravel

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when the boss use laser

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to pillar

scarlet mortar
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also the irony in cardigan being the better pick than the 4*s

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she's like half a medic on herself

civic bear
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well yes but you can compensate by just

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using ptilo s2

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ptilo s2 is stronger stall

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and u only need to stall for like what

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20s to give enough time for logos

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p2 is a bit tighter so you want to have the op you borrow to carry remaining damage

scarlet mortar
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logos is kinda cheating ngl

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but oh well

civic bear
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its modless

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so

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and thats what he has

prisma swift
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yeah

civic bear
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that said this is m3

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but p1 doesnt matter

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because the remaining hp dies to pillar

scarlet mortar
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the strongest caster of all time

civic bear
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on mine the p1 mandra is already at 5% hp before pillard

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also technically i lost damage because my 1st pillar was late

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logos couldve dealt more

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even better way wouldve to kill p1 with 1st pillar and then pillar twice p2

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all the same thing

prisma swift
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is midnight arts damage

somber falcon
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Only on skill

civic bear
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whos ur 13th op

limpid ore
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looks like sogoL

civic bear
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logos is his

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is it leizi

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i mean leizi can work

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but you better face her correctly lol

prisma swift
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i just borrowed whatever that can handle left lane

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i really really really really hate chapter 9

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that res thing and together with shield enemies

elder flume
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Virt shill

prisma swift
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will e2 shirayuki help

civic bear
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sure yea

prisma swift
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im gonna go get chips and come back with e2 shirayuki

somber falcon
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Bro's using anything but ray KalStare

civic bear
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wait

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no need to e2 any extra CeobeConfused

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just bring better borrow

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ray works

prisma swift
civic bear
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ray can hit left side and middle

prisma swift
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like mod

somber falcon
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What

prisma swift
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and things

civic bear
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turn off mod

prisma swift
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wait u can turn off

civic bear
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it works

prisma swift
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oh……

somber falcon
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Why's that matter CeobeConfused

prisma swift
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im just trying to avoid using mod cuz like

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the part dont intend u to use mod

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right

somber falcon
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Says who

prisma swift
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mod missions are like 2 chapters later

civic bear
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well true

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you def dont need it

somber falcon
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Mods released way before ch 9

civic bear
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no

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as in

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you cant unlock the mod

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if the ray were his

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cuz cant even access ch11

somber falcon
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That's mine

prisma swift
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yeah i turned it off

civic bear
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yeah but

prisma swift
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same logic as why i dont borrow a maxed wis

civic bear
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thats where the intend means

scarlet mortar
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if you really want to learn the game ngl maybe pivot with 4*s only

civic bear
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nah

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just play with what they like

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🥺

scarlet mortar
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nyo

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💢

civic bear
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learning mechanic is more important than whatever

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restriction they do

prisma swift
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i hope the future chapters wont have these kind of gimmicks

scarlet mortar
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every day i wake up to find a 6* ignoring mechanics

somber falcon
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I would think getting stuck in the same stage for like 3 hrs should make you understand the specific mechanic

scarlet mortar
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there's worse though

civic bear
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understanding mechanic is step 1

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step 2 is how to play said mechanic

scarlet mortar
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70 res is only a fuck you to arts anw

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looks at ch10 and ch13

limpid ore
prisma swift
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locked in too hard my brain hurts

elder flume
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chap ten kekw

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making you think life decisions every 35s

azure roost
nocturne cove
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What was chapter 10

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Manfred?

narrow pendant
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Yes

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And cannons

nocturne cove
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I haven't still done the h stages

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🏃‍♂️

tidal sedge
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Zuo le solos manfraud DocSmile

willow sun
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anyone know if this counts as 170% atk_scale, +70% atk, or a separate damage instant entirely?

prisma swift
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ok but i think i need to e2 my own sniper

somber falcon
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congrats

prisma swift
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i couldnt deal with the flying revival rock without the support

somber falcon
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kinda late atp
but you can instakill them by dropping pillar on them

somber falcon
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yeah

prisma swift
spark sinew
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it's borderline impressive how you cleared it with that bad logos positioning

prisma swift
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no i tried other positions that one work best

spark sinew
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ok nvm, literally all 3 rocks are in the range of your ops, wtf

prisma swift
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i had to tank for a while anyway so i used saria and the 2 healers

worldly stirrup
prisma swift
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only that specific column can hit both lanes
one tile up it fucks up the pillar
one tile down the range doesnt reach and cant kill the boss fast enough

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i dun have thorns man

worldly stirrup
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What op you borrow?

prisma swift
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for that stage i used ray

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kinda ended up being boosted

tidal sedge
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Qui'lon is finally announced🥹

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The Trading post squad looks fun, will definitely use it.

nocturne cove
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Ulpi solos the boss

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S2 tho

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Need to save pillars for phase 2

prisma swift
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i beat it alreayd

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but i was trying to avoid using braindead supports

nocturne cove
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🫡

frank heath
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Is it okay use Ulpipi S2 not M3 on GO EX 8 CM ? Or it must S3M3?

nocturne cove
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Yeah, but you'd need extra healing

frank heath
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Okok

full terrace
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Woh that new IS content seems super fun

nocturne cove
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Hm?

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New content?

dusky hawk
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Strat for ls-4?

keen gull
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Brrw wisadel

dusky hawk
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I wanna auto it

somber falcon
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Lava and gitano could also work without levels

teal moon
somber falcon
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Yeah two aoe caster clears it @dusky hawk

full terrace
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E2 Firewatch Bnuuy

somber falcon
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@jaunty hill what are your ops?

jaunty hill
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All e2

somber falcon
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Could've just screenshotted HellaKek
Should be rather easy with those

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I assume all has m3?

jaunty hill
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Ehh no

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I'm not that far

somber falcon
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Try baiting the first tool drop with texalt
Then set up wis and a medic straight on Alistair's face

jaunty hill
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Still got a lot to upgrade

full terrace
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Those are basically E1 units. The point of E2-ing an operator is mainly for their Mastery level especially if you arent touching their S3. Module for some ops. What stage are you doing there?

somber falcon
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Ex-8 cm

full terrace
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Should be doable

somber falcon
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Yeah

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Eben should easily deal with drones

full terrace
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Penance S1 Lv7 is 4 secs charge Auto Recovery, you can wand her and have her stall the Steam Knight
That Steam Knight is the main threat really
Alistair shouldnt be a problem with Logos there

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Naratuya should help a lot with drones, just make sure she is healed

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She even solo CA-5, she is one of the best drone killers
Also borrow a Mlynar that should be easy finish

full terrace
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It's a Mlynar borrow clear. Again, make sure your Penance is wanded.

astral cosmos
south spindle
tidal sedge
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Source?

south spindle
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@astral cosmos what you want schizo

astral cosmos
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can u explain to me how this formula works
so that I can try adapting it to different operators

especially the more annoying ones like absinthe s2 or greyy alt 🥹

south spindle
full terrace
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Best of luck there

south spindle
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okay 1 minute

astral cosmos
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-# ok well some skills might inherently be fucked up with mult or add, idk which ones though or if there are any 🥹

south spindle
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then calculate mitigations, ressitance is easy to just multiply (1 - R/100), and defense is just subtraction

astral cosmos
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oh r was for resistance

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-# CeobeConfused

south spindle
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after that you do post mitigation amps like ray's phys damage talent

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now for absinthe you asked for DPS

astral cosmos
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for non infinite skills it's better to calc total dmg no?

south spindle
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yes

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also i made a mistake

astral cosmos
south spindle
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well i didn't because it was resistance

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but if it were defense

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you would want to divide by interval post mitigation to get DPS

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do not try to calculate hunter damage without adult supervision

astral cosmos
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i have chisha's breakdown and numbers pasted in my resources server

south spindle
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oh ai let me in

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chisha's formula for # of bullets ray fires in S3 was incorrect initially atleast

astral cosmos
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yeah i pasted the correction as well

south spindle
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with the x2 yes good boy

astral cosmos
south spindle
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this is so much more fun than having to tutor highschoolers in algebra 😭

astral cosmos
south spindle
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gonna give them an AK damage calc hw assignment, who do you want them to calculate

astral cosmos
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it is more fun than when i was tutoring 1st year uni student on biochem

pure orchid
astral cosmos
pure orchid
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I have no idea, between us two you're the math guy HellaKek

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If anyone's doing any quantifying its u

south spindle
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ah i mean im just a cs student

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but understanding of math is essential to logic

south spindle
pure orchid
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Sounds about right, logical even laiossmile

astral cosmos
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exactly, let them do it DocSmile

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in function of res ofc

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i have used this skill a total of 2 times i think

in the 7 times i've used absinthe

south spindle
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I used 0 in the 2 times IS really wanted me to have her today

astral cosmos
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you would have prevented this mischief by simply borrowing her feelscursedManfred

south spindle
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@astral cosmos literally just learn to identify the different multiplier types and thats it you just multiply them for premitigation

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or rather learn to identify the +atk% buffs and sum them then multiply with the rest

astral cosmos
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yep i just mainly had to identify the components of the formula and what they meant 🥹

south spindle
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the true true damage formula is annoying as shit so just learn things as concepts

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it helps with any logic based subjects math science CS

astral cosmos
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im not calculating amiya dmg so

south spindle
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no one example?

astral cosmos
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err probably not

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im doing this for 5* so idk

elder flume
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I prefer finding an enemy with x def y res z hp and if it kills at the last moment then thats the number ReedBean

south spindle
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yeah if you learn how and where things fit you can condense and expand formulas as you need

astral cosmos
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-# i'm just a biochem student, i suck at math JessNotLikeThis

south spindle
astral cosmos
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i will rather have to do coldshot

astral cosmos
pure orchid
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They are quite related

astral cosmos
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they are ofc

south spindle
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coldshot also a hunter so x1.2 atk scale that you always multiply premit

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s1 or s2

astral cosmos
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s1 has zero point so s2

south spindle
wicked minnow
south spindle
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With talent active

south spindle
wicked minnow
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absinthe s2 is very much single target dps i dont get you

south spindle
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Oh she doesn't attack ABOVE 50% not below

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Whatever weird af skill

wicked minnow
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Also calculating coldshot should be way more effort than absinthe

south spindle
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no just mostly saying dont bother calculating in the first place of absinethe s2

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cold shot isn't bad if you just look at single shot... then it gets really funny

wicked minnow
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coldshot could be really bad to calculate since depending on the def amount, removing mod might actually increase her damage ReedBean

south spindle
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I wonder thats a good one to try

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time to figure out the break point

wicked minnow
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nvm ig i lied lmao. apparently there shouldnt be anytime where she is worse because of mod reloading 2 shots conflicting with talent

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iirc the cycle times for coldshot is 1.6 second reload off-skill. 2.4 seconds reload on skill 1.2 seconds attack interval in either case. so going off that yeah she doesnt lose damage

south spindle
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on the toilet 😔

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oh you did it as dps gotcha

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lmao damn

wicked minnow
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ye d1 should be the big hit with no mod. d2 is big hit with mod d3 is small hit with mod

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assuming she is out of shots to give no mod a bit of an advantage but that didnt matter apparently

south spindle
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Hm did I do something wrong

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I got there is some overlap at very low defense

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oh i did full S2 damage

wicked minnow
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for low def, it shouldnt even be close, mod is way better

south spindle
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ah shit i forgot to multiply by 2 for 2 attacks

wicked minnow
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thing is 1 shot gets affected by talent and the other doesnt so keep that in mind ig

south spindle
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yeap bingo

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mod(n,2) lmao

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didn't bother with floors

astral cosmos
south spindle
wicked minnow
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isnt it just an attack scale CeobeConfused

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or something similar ig

south spindle
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wait

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i messed something up

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i made reload interval 1.6 oops

astral cosmos
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-# watch me fail miserably

south spindle
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oh wait shit

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i did 1.41 not 0.41

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😭

wicked minnow
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😭

south spindle
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man ts pmo

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Good news the break points at 4600 defense

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where cold shot does -14000 damage

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thats not a ~ its a negative /s

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this a joke rechord do not write this down

wicked minnow
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lmao

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th 5% minimum damage is doing a lot of work here

astral cosmos
south spindle
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yeah i guess its easy to implement the floor here

wicked minnow
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i still dont know what floor does but i've seen a bunch of people use it for calcs

south spindle
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i calculate how many bullets she can fire after the initial 8 bullet mag

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during the s2 duration

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then use floor to round it down because the decimal shot means its fired after her skill ends

wicked minnow
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oh i see

south spindle
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f0 is purple f1 is green

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hopefully final™️

astral cosmos
narrow pendant
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Letters of the alphabet

astral cosmos
south spindle
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was it her talent

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thats the letter i used for the talent yes

astral cosmos
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oh

south spindle
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but in the coldshot one i used t for talent lmao

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sometimes i am fancy and do res/100

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sometimes im lazy and just write resistance as directly a decimal

astral cosmos
south spindle
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what is s again

astral cosmos
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atk modifier

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0.9 here cus it's 4 bursts of 90% atk

south spindle
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it was 0.9 for S2 right

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okay good

astral cosmos
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wow i made it first try?

south spindle
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now heres the neat part this gets fucked overfor defense because its multiple hits

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for resistance you're chilling... mostly...

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its complicated at high res

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i think wait let me think

astral cosmos
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wait yeah cause res applies to each hit separately

south spindle
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ignore that do not think and pretend high res doesn't exist

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yes then 5% bullshit

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and you have to do pre/post mit shit

astral cosmos
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ok i have an itch down my throat that can only be reached by a double barrel shotgun now

astral cosmos
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reality...

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fuck

wicked minnow
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guys it cant be that bad to calculate absinthe's damage surely

south spindle
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its not

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rechord is just learning

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that multi attacks can fuck you over a little

astral cosmos
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im simply in the process of un-sucking myself

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(at math)

south spindle
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maybe i should teach you to seperate the functions

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also uh lets get rid of 1/i is kind of dumb

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and when you calculate 5% min it needs to be the last thing you calculate

astral cosmos
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alright removing 1/i

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i have to make a separate function to calc the res application for each hit?

south spindle
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no you make seperate function to just calculate the premitigation of a single hit

wicked minnow
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i dont think you need to do all that with res

astral cosmos
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which includes res yeah?

south spindle
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then you calculate using max() whats bigger? premitxres or premitx0.05

astral cosmos
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wait

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ah right

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no res is post mitigation

south spindle
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let me think do we need to do all that

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or am i schizo

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haven't slept in a day

astral cosmos
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did I infect light

wicked minnow
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oh na you are right but there's probably a simpler way to do it CeobeConfused

south spindle
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oh i might be stupid amn't i

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500 premit vs 99 res lets test

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oh god its just multiplication im over complicating this

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better to learn it this way anyways

astral cosmos
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that is for dps

south spindle
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yes

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do total s2 damage instead

astral cosmos
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ya so clearing the function ig ReedBean

south spindle
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not really

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almost done making one with max

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remove 1/i
replace sb with helper function that just does premit damage so it only takes b as a parameter

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implement max for 5% min after you do that

astral cosmos
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hum so premit dmg is just 90% atk and that's it? so without res and stuff

south spindle
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thats it yes

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this isn't necessary to use a seperate function

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but its good to try not repeating things because

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you need to compare premit*res and 0.05xpremit

ocean stratus
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yooo any suggest?

wicked minnow
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what are your ops?

south spindle
wicked minnow
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also e2 ascalon

ocean stratus
astral cosmos
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what is ebenholz doing here monsmugW

south spindle
ocean stratus
astral cosmos
ocean stratus
south spindle
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so max(a,b) returns whichever one is bigger

astral cosmos
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ohhh ic

ocean stratus
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soo should i replace eben, and if yes then which one?

astral cosmos
south spindle
# ocean stratus then how i would use ascalon?

its very awkward at first but you can put her in alot of positions and takes a bit of trial and error and depends on stage
she can dodge 50/50 and requires a little less medic attention, and she can basically cripple enemies with her slow

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hell ascalon module on s2 can even slow down aerial to some degree despite not damaging air

astral cosmos
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basically a premium staller with arts DoT and great cycles

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and yeah you only use s2

ocean stratus
tawdry path
south spindle
astral cosmos
south spindle
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where are you n teh game state?

ocean stratus
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9-12 ig

astral cosmos
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yeah exu shits herself in pretty much most content you'll do in the future
you have mlynar anyways

south spindle
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yeah ascalon felt amazing to use in story you can use her both defensively and offensively

ocean stratus
tawdry path
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exu sadly got powercrept by enemies of the game due to their high defense, so exu cant do much

south spindle
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ofc requires a little stage knowledge to use offensively and up front incase some strong ranged

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ascalons usually one of my first placed units after ines makes some dp

astral cosmos
south spindle
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you can take off vanguards off the field but ascalon stays

astral cosmos
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wait you were talking about mlynar

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just use his skill whenever you want something dead fast

tawdry path
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ascalon is basically your main dps and 'laneholder' since she pretty much slows enemies long enough that your ranged ops would kill them

south spindle
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she seems like a sub dps but she really can cripple elites by herself too lmao

tawdry path
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so your general gameplan is to ascalon, mlynar, maybe a blocker for good measure, and just win!

south spindle
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lmao literally i don't activate mlynar skill, put him next to ascalon to agro and just heal

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and watch them suffer

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mlynar explodes boss

tawdry path
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ascalons dps is nothing to scoff at, bro sweeps an entire stage easy just by herself

south spindle
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^^^^ asclon s2 masteries are incredibly good

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like drux said early the initial sp is crazy high so she activates skill in 5 seconds

ocean stratus
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soo i just checked i can promote her

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the only problem here is the stupid chips💔

tawdry path
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real

ocean stratus
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and i'm out of sanity💔

tawdry path
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you might be able to score a couple from monthly squads

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in IS

south spindle
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Exusiai is cool and she has a module coming up** which does make her a little better but her main function is to take care of non tanky drones thats it...

astral cosmos
limpid ore
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i use exu to buff other operator ReedBean

ocean stratus
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i just need an ops to deal with smol drones tho

tawdry path
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then exu can cover that just fine

south spindle
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wait for the next Exusiai module if you do build her its coming in like 2 months

south spindle
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Reed and Eben can worry about def heavy drones

ocean stratus
south spindle
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Ascalon Mlynar and Reed will exterminate everything else

south spindle
ocean stratus
south spindle
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😔

astral cosmos
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farm chips BagThumbsUp

ocean stratus
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dang focus on guard chips is fire🔥💔

astral cosmos
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or go do IS monthlies

tawdry path
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alright can you go somewhere like is3

south spindle
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Yeah but you should probably farm the current event first

tawdry path
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then do mizuki's monthly squad

south spindle
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make sure you got the furniture + operator tokens or you will regret it in exactly a year

wicked minnow
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i mean, you are kinda past having to worry about drones starting chapter 9

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chapter 8 is like the last chapter with any remarkable drone enemy

south spindle
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@astral cosmos you done?

full terrace
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Yo rechord, I just notice you really did upload your Spuria clear to arkrec

wicked minnow
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he did RedOmegaLul

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i saw it

astral cosmos
full terrace
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😏

south spindle
# ocean stratus why?

The current event is first run, on its rerun in about a year you get purple certs(orundum) and gold certs for buying the furniture and stuff again

ocean stratus
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ocee thanks

south spindle
astral cosmos
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-# yep just need to figure out what I need

south spindle
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well i told you only need premit for 1 attack

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thats just s*b

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s isn't a parameter

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b is, so you just need to make a helper that takes b and calculates damage with s thats it its very simple for absinthe

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cold shot was bad because trait scale and talent scales

astral cosmos
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huh that's literally just it?

south spindle
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yeap exactly

astral cosmos
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oh ok i did do that initially but then I tried to integrate it in the main function and failed ReedBean so thought it wasn't it

south spindle
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now your function for damage a() should use this to calculate a single attack rotation, which takes 4 of these h(b), calculates mitigation (using r) then calculates postmit scale (using c)

astral cosmos
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so essentially just

south spindle
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well thats just using b for base damage

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you want to use the function we made to put in premit damage

wicked minnow
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where x0.9

south spindle
wicked minnow
astral cosmos
south spindle
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so essentially when we call function a(wit some paramter b, we want to then "forward" b in to h which calculates premitigation seperately

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so replace b with h(b)

astral cosmos
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oh literally just that

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thought it wouldn't work like that

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:ya:

south spindle
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yes

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lol

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wait vc real quick?

wicked minnow
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hey what if, you just calculate the total damage, then just have that as premit and then do the minimum of 5% on it

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this is res no def

astral cosmos
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i parted ways with math completely in highschool so

wicked minnow
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not like you need to do all this convoluted stuff

south spindle
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res or not

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this isn't about just doing absinthe this is a math/desmos class

wicked minnow
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bruh

astral cosmos
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cause I wanna apply this to other ops afterward

wicked minnow
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if you have a(b). that would mean the value of a with respect to b. or in other words a as a function of b

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you can also just do h = bs

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doesnt really matter since h := h(b)

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be weary tho since desmos can sometimes interpret h(b) as multiplication instead of "as a function of"

leaden sierra
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For a second I thought I opened the data science or mathematics server.

bleak blade
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Who can I swap? I got thorns blaze and saria logos too

tawdry path
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well first off, can you share your roster

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left side is fairly straightforward if you have mudrock

wicked minnow
#

lumen can be replaced with any competent healer for the most part

tawdry path
#

well uh, post roster!

bleak blade
#

Hold on

leaden sierra
#

Horn S1 carries on left, use any landholder for top.
Source: Detektyw

bleak blade
#

didn't know that video was like 7 months old

full terrace
#

Logos camp that mid red box

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S1

bleak blade
#

which red box?

leaden sierra
#

top?

full terrace
bleak blade
#

or you mean the nearer one

full terrace
#

Over there works. Down there also works, whichever you like.

leaden sierra
#

Don't they also need to put someone nearby to take aggro from casters? Or logos tanks it with healer?

full terrace
#

Seal off the 3x3 area around the mid red box using Hoshi and someone else (Nian maybe)

glass monolith
#

Casters won't survive long enough against Thorn/Horn and both sides have medics

bleak blade
#

so no need to place anyone near the blue box?

leaden sierra
#

Yeah you can spawn camp them

bleak blade
#

icic

full terrace
#

Caster what they die in 0.1 secs if you camp mid red box

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Only threat is down there

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Bottom left

glass monolith
#

I forgot what trying to flank bottom left? There is like 3.5 enemies.... Oh it is freezethrowers?

full terrace
#

Can afk your Blaze at bottom left and assign a Medic to her

full terrace
bleak blade
full terrace
#

Lemme draw it for you brb

glass monolith
#

If it is possible to red box - Why not

bleak blade
#

I'm ashamed I can't even full clear this 5 years on

nocturne cove
#

I have seen most of your ops with skin

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In your clears

glass monolith
leaden sierra
#

These days you can just Walter it. Had to 100% it with alt a few days back, she just erases those afking guys. Also you can use her spikes to shield your ops. Arflanyr mention this actually. Works nicely with low Op or any team.

astral cosmos
#

thanks light yah

glass monolith
#

I play without Walter most of content because it is more entertaining than just winning. It is not competitive game after all HellaKek

leaden sierra
#

Yeah, doing events with random 5* and 4* you've built recently is more fun.

glass monolith
#

Don't forget to account for snowball in your face YEET and invisible snipers near end (No issue if you Horn S1ing)

south spindle
full terrace
#

Here @bleak blade

  • Red Blaze, facing left
  • Yellow Ifrit, facing left
  • Blue Logos, facing left
  • White SilverAsh, facing left
  • Purple Saria
  • Greens Medics
    Everyone is healed that way.
full terrace
#

If you just wanna grab the first clear, you may also borrow Wisadel and place her on that pink circled tile, but retreat her Revenant Shadows on the cross white tiles and keep the one on white check mark tile

full terrace
#

That way Wisadel will keep her Camouflage, and keep the furnace lit up

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And she controls all lanes (both mid red box and bot left red box)

bleak blade
#

that's pretty sick

full terrace
#

The reason you retreat the Revenant Shadows is to bait the snowballers' attacks on Blaze ahead of them instead of Wis

elder flume
#

you could auto it but its leaving soon anyway

narrow pendant
#

Soon? In like 2 months no?

astral cosmos
#

the main reason you'd auto it is because by farming this one instead of lungmen downtown, you use less sanity and 1 less proxy ticket

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but

bleak blade
#

yea

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almost level up 91 soon

full terrace
#

If you want to make an auto

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Dont borrow Wis

full terrace
#

Instead just throw extra dps to help Logos killing stuff in mid red box

bleak blade
#

got it

full terrace
bleak blade
#

ok

full terrace
#

Oh Vanguard first to generate DP

bleak blade
#

right

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vanguard right at the end

elder flume
#

oh is it not 2 weeks PtiloThonk

narrow pendant
#

The main site stays fir like 3 month🥹

#

Before changin
We got this one like

full terrace
#

Should be 2 weeks still

narrow pendant
#

Idk when
Nymph?

full terrace
#

Worth the auto 😂

bleak blade
#

I'll try not to over rely on wisadel

full terrace
#

Try not to borrow for the auto

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Proxy*

glass monolith
#

It is okay-ish to rely on broken units to do content. But I personally lose interest in game if i just dominate no stop, so i suffer trying to do 6*less on most stages (Usually i give up around EX-8 or its CM in events) RosChill

bleak blade
#

Damn...

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I've not done event EX yet

elder flume
#

better do it soon

bleak blade
#

Maps seems tough

full terrace
#

Event is 1 day left RedOmegaLul

bleak blade
#

time to try

tawdry path
#

doable

bleak blade
#

oh shit..

full terrace
#

There are 3 slots left

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Take Eyja

bleak blade
#

Oh

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Bringing thorns lappy then

full terrace
#

Take Thorns as well yeah

bleak blade
#

man I keep messing up

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keep getting frozen

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With my vanguard

full terrace
#

If you wanna bring Eyja, use Eyja S2 on that red circled tile facing left she will kill everything spawning from that red box, then the Medic on green circled tile facing up

full terrace
#

To the right of the furnace

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Then light the furnace up

bleak blade
#

oh not the top right

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got it

full terrace
#

No, ignore the top right

bleak blade
#

Got it

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Looks like I need silverash in asap

full terrace
#

You can start here for example

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Then light up the furnace

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Then deploy Eyja right away to camp the red box

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And to lanehold

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Your Vanguard will block a bit for Eyja

bleak blade
#

why the pig went through the lower blue box

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means I messed up

glass monolith
#

You unfroze it with fire too early

somber falcon
#

well where else would the burdenbeast go PodencoSip

bleak blade
#

Errr

full terrace
#

Which pig

bleak blade
#

ah damn it

somber falcon
full terrace
#

Ah yea that one

glass monolith
#

One which was next to blaze-it activated by logos

full terrace
#

What Minus said

bleak blade
#

Yea didn't notice those

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Focus on top part first

full terrace
full terrace
#

Pay attention to the bottom right burdenbeast as well, dont wake it up too early @bleak blade

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You can use your Thorns/Lappland to handle it

bleak blade
#

like this?

full terrace
#

Yeah more or less

#

The bottom right one is still frozen

bleak blade
#

bottom right how

full terrace
#

Use Thorns/Lappland to kill it

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While it's still frozen

bleak blade
#

enemy won't come from bottom right?

full terrace
#

Nope, you boxed them in that 3x3 area

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Whole map is safe

bleak blade
#

Ok I remove a vanguard

glass monolith
#

WAIT WHO WILL KILL FROZEN BEAST at bottom right? HellaKek

full terrace
#

He got Lappland/Thorns still

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No big deal, just deploy one of them behind Perfumer

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All good

bleak blade
#

That bottom pig gonna take a while to kill

full terrace
#

It's not that tough

bleak blade
#

Just happy my ifrit can be used

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Lol my thorns died

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Good thing vanguard around

#

Anything I need to take notes after 300/400?

full terrace
#

Eh.. I dont think there is anything special in this map aside from the snowballers

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And the invisible enemies near the end

bleak blade
#

Ok cool

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Ifrit S2 is fine right

full terrace
#

Its fine

bleak blade
#

Can't remember S2 S3 difference

wicked minnow
#

s2 is auto activate deals decent damage and reduces def

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s3 is res reduction

bleak blade
#

Ooh

full terrace
#

S2 def shred and afk. S3 res shred for cc

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Generally you use S2

wicked minnow
#

s2 is quite cozy ye

bleak blade
#

Yea her default is S2

#

would I need thorns to support saria?

north plank
#

How do I beat H8-4 with this lineup? Or do I need to tweak it a lil(also support recommendations)

wicked minnow
full terrace
bleak blade
#

Oooh right

north plank
north plank
glass monolith
bleak blade
#

I'm cooked

glass monolith
bleak blade
#

Ok time to try again

glass monolith
#

I done it once and don't want to do it ever again. Also Jaye useless as bait because not fast redeploy and 0 tanking because no gravel s2 shield

elder flume
#

oh rip no other 18s

full terrace
# bleak blade I'm cooked

They still have to walk toward the left side of your Logos, when they enter Logos range and he starts attacking, deploy your Vanguard on top of them

full terrace
#

Yah Lappland positioning is a bit overkill since Eyja is powerful enough to hold that lane

bleak blade
#

Should've activated skill

#

Ah...

full terrace
#

Yah SilverAsh skill is meant to be used during emergency

bleak blade
#

Gonna change it

full terrace
#

I mean you are already at 350, thats one step away from clearing it

bleak blade
#

Last step always a pain

restive valley
#

I'm definitely giving up on GO EX 8 CM.... I barely cleared the normal stage.

#

Kinda regretting of not building Walter earlier...

somber falcon
#

who do you have?

restive valley
#

Idk which is more annoying, the boss or those damn steam knights?

wicked minnow
#

uhhh you should be good

elder flume
#

SK is easier in CM imo

wicked minnow
#

just looked you up on friends list. you'll be fiiiiine

elder flume
#

perma frighten goes far

restive valley
#

It's going to be a long day, cuz the guides I mostly see rn, need Walter and/or Mlyner

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And I haven't level these two yet... Definitely regretting on that.

wicked minnow
#

you got surtr?

restive valley
#

Yeah level 80 s3m3

wicked minnow
#

you got shu?

restive valley
#

Nope

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Yes, but not leveled

wicked minnow
#

oh. in my clear i just dealt with the boss and all the enemies in the middle with surtr + shu

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you might need to redeploy her multiple times otherwise but i havent done that myself tho

restive valley
#

I can try to get Walter on a friend support, if only that damn friend support refresh is willing to help me.

#

I still got two days... Sigh, better get this stage settled so that I can farm on GO 6 or was it 7?

#

The 1st blue tier material

elder flume
#

you have Mud so thats 1 lane covered

full terrace
#

@bleak blade if you want, you may also relocate Saria and Thorns here since these 2 tiles are controlled by Perfumer

full terrace
#

They will also take care of that frozen burdenbeast

full terrace
#

Owait not these 2

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Move them forward by 1 tile

restive valley
#

Yeah, actually you know what pissed me off the most... The damn flying whatever that was... Sheesh, GO EX 7 was damn annoying

north plank
somber falcon
azure roost
#

whay happenjg

north plank
azure roost
#

oh damn h8-4

restive valley
#

... Was that Chapter 8 H stage...?

north plank
north plank
azure roost
#

its should be easier now

#

unlike before

somber falcon
#

the status effect? you deployed them too late then

azure roost
north plank
restive valley
#

.... Ahhhhh, that stage took me 4 years to get it cleared.

north plank
#

😭

azure roost
#

have a mental timer

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for talulah flame debuff

wicked minnow
somber falcon
#

just deploy gravel as soon as she's up

azure roost
#

or thay

north plank
azure roost
#

so pro old man @somber falcon

restive valley
#

Actually, Logos S3 can hold the fire until the end right?

azure roost
#

🏃‍♂️

azure roost
#

just timed it

#

so all deleted

north plank
wicked minnow
#

you need to use logos a tiny bit before the fireballs start coming

somber falcon
#

idk, probably not

#

ng's benefit there is her giving extra res

north plank
#

The problem for me isn’t the fireballs, my lineup fell apart during phase 1

azure roost
#

get ng for res

north plank
azure roost
#

and cage

bleak blade
#

so close....

somber falcon
#

actually
was mlynar not deployed yet

wicked minnow
somber falcon
#

he should always eat one status

#

cause taunt

north plank
full terrace
somber falcon
#

screenshot your ops placement

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or place them on mapark

azure roost
#

sc it

restive valley
#

He can.

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As long as it is within his range.

full terrace
north plank
bleak blade
#

................

restive valley
#

My plan for H8-4 was to defeat Talulah phrase one quickly with Surtr and Specalter... and quickly focus on healing. Took a lot of tries though, the top lane and bottom lane, my defenders kept getting killed....

bleak blade
#

I feel like shit

full terrace
full terrace
#

By repositioning them there, they are 1. Within Perfumer control range, and so they got healer 2. They are in the furnace coverage and so nobody is frozen

restive valley
#

Actually, was there a reason why the operators on the top left corner...?

restive valley
#

I only focused mainly on the top right and the bottom for the icefield annihilation.

elder flume
#

to consolidate them

#

no stairs allowed

somber falcon
restive valley
#

....

full terrace
#

I mean he is at 390/400 thats probably just skill timing but yeah

#

Repositioning them is safer

#

Safer clear

restive valley
#

Plus, I am certain that the furnace there is not going to cover these two operators.

somber falcon
#

ye

bleak blade
#

Noice

full terrace
bleak blade
#

OkExuHeart

restive valley
#

Have Myrtle on the bottom right furnace. I don't think she needs to stand on that one.

full terrace
#

Move your Myrtle here

restive valley
#

^

bleak blade
#

Got it

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Swapping with Elysium

full terrace
#

You are already at 390/400, this should be a clear

bleak blade
#

Yea

#

Top left saria couldn't hold on

full terrace
#

Yah because she is the only healer and your dps couldnt keep up

bleak blade
#

Yup

full terrace
#

I ran that formation on my alt account but my dps could keep up so

bleak blade
#

Their level not high enough

full terrace
#

Yeah, its fine

#

Repositioning should fix your issue

restive valley
#

Will swapping perfume and eyja work?

#

Saria and Silverash will still be in the healing range right? Just change in direction.

#

I mean Logos is already handling the lane where SA is, if DPS is an issue for the bottom right, Eyja S3 should be sufficient, no?

bleak blade
#

no idea why my ifrit and ptilopsis die

#

at least one nightmare down

full terrace
#

Probably splash damage

bleak blade
#

time to revisit lungmen

full terrace
#

Congrats there

bleak blade
#

my blaze somehow can recover HP

#

otherwise I'm gone

full terrace
#

Thats her talent

bleak blade
#

o.o

elder flume
#

Perfumer

full terrace
#

I think he meant her talent, it's noticeable

bleak blade
#

perfumer too far

full terrace
#

Perfumer's hard to notice RedOmegaLul

bleak blade
#

so glad I have perfumer tho

full terrace
#

No Rain meant the % regen

bleak blade
#

finally found the part for module

full terrace
bleak blade
#

owait B1-7 is locked

glass monolith
bleak blade
#

event tab?

glass monolith
#

damn... Side stories whatever it is named

lavish gazelle
#

How do i make the set up better? Should i put lappy to right side?

glass monolith
#

4.something years of side stories HellaKek

bleak blade
#

bruh...

somber falcon
lavish gazelle
bleak blade
glass monolith
bleak blade
#

so it refresh one per week

somber falcon
#

you can also just do the good old push strat up there

spark sinew
#

you seem to put way too many ops for the top lane

lavish gazelle
#

Top lane= sash, shaw, silence, cheeto
Bottom lane= la pluma,cuora, ptilo, nymph, blaze?
Does this sound better?

prisma urchin
#

i finally did beat go-ex-8, is the challange mode much diffrent?

full terrace
#

Gravel+Jaye+Yato(2 Star) combo works

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Gravel+Jaye ~> Gravel+Yato ~> Gravel+Jaye ~> Gravel+Yato

#

If you have Mlynar, he has +1 Taunt and will always take one ignition (if he isnt ignited)

willow sun
#

@sturdy cairn sator said to move it here to not flood help ReedBean
hop you don't mind arf

#

yeah i noticed i just made a goof in my calcs, i copy and pasted spalter's folder for her s2 and s3 so her s3 stats were using her s2's sliders

full terrace
rapid junco
#

You also can snipe Tallulah with s3 upliya

wicked minnow
#

@willow sun windscoot talent is attack scale

#

if that matters ig

willow sun
#

mm i haven't even looked at windscoot yet ngl RedOmegaLul

rapid junco
#

Mlynar +ulpi is free burn body ya, you only need 1 bait for second phaseTimiLook

spark sinew
#

are you talking about winflint

#

he only works on casters anyway 🫡

full terrace
spark sinew
#

you're welcome, arf!

willow sun
#

@teal moon @little orchid i'm testing her s3 on these guys right now, top is how much damage she'd deal if it were atk_scale, bottom is if it were atk_mult

south spindle
#

is this PRTS wiki?

willow sun
#

aceship

south spindle
#

ah

bleak blade
#

nice I can do eyja module

rapid junco
full terrace
#

I would prioritize Logos Module if I were you

bleak blade
#

I did obsidian festival before I quitted

little orchid
bleak blade
#

so it's unlocked

rapid junco
#

Brain lagging
Hi arf TimiBlush

willow sun
rapid junco
willow sun
bleak blade
#

but yea logos too

sturdy cairn
willow sun
#

it perfectly matches how the vangaurds just barely don't get one shot

#

but i dont know why the bulwarks aren't taking the 700-ish damage they're supposed to be, instead hitting the damage floor of 5% instead

willow sun
little orchid
#

vanguard should be getting hit by 360% + 360% * 70%

willow sun
#

4624 dmg

#

they have 4700 hp

sturdy cairn
#

ye sure, i'll put her up before sleeping or something, if i forget just ping within 30 mins or so

willow sun
#

in the video they take some DoT because of the mist tiles, then when spalter hits them they'll barely survive, which lines up

little orchid
#

uh... i mean, vg is hit twice - for 360%, and then again for 360% * 70%

willow sun
#

but if i use the same calcs on the bulwarks, they should be taking a considerable amount of damage, 700 compared to their 6500 hp pool

bleak blade
#

yay first module

willow sun
#

thats what i was wondering

#

the wording made it sound like that but i wasn't entirely sure

wicked minnow
#

if the calcs lined up 360% + 360% * 0.7, then just do the same for bulwark

teal moon
#

"description": "Attack interval <@ba.vdown>increases</>, attacks all blocked enemies, ATK <@ba.vup>+{atk:0%}</>, Max HP <@ba.vup>+{max_hp:0%}</>; deal <@ba.vup>{attack@atk_scale_ex:0%}</> ATK as extra Physical damage when attacking enemies with HP percentage equal to or higher than self, otherwise lose <@ba.vdown>{attack@hp_ratio:0%}</> of HP",

wicked minnow
#

you said they took no damage

#

which should be lining up with what you just tested

willow sun
#

no its because i wasn't sure which of the three scenarios it was

little orchid
#

he thoughht it was supposed to be a single hit

bleak blade
#

bruh... locked for a while

willow sun
#
  1. its atk_scale added onto the original hit
  2. it's atk_multiplier added onto the original hit
  3. it's atk_scale as an entirely separate damage instance
#

and it seems like the answer is 3.

distant frigate
#

How do I deal with this guy?

rapid junco
#

Gold one is not that hard to handle, you can block it with cuoraya

somber falcon
#

that's the real one

wicked minnow
#

either tank him. dps him down quickly, or arts equipment

pure orchid
#

Make him piss pant

willow sun
#

ok yeah that makes more sense now, against bulwarks and against vanguards

rapid junco
#

Wtf, it's black

willow sun
#

alright @sturdy cairn i should be done now, thanks for the spalter BreezeHappy

rapid junco
#

Then block it with shu or ulpian

distant frigate
#

This the team I'm using btw

somber falcon
#

ulpi 😴

sturdy cairn
rapid junco
#

Ulpi s3 at front of blue box can handle last steam + snipe boss🤫

south spindle
#

Logos Typhon handle the boss Ulpianus Wisadel blow the rest to hell

teal moon
spark sinew
#

is this... s1 ng?

willow sun
spark sinew
#

either way you want s3 regardless

rapid junco
#

And you don't need nightingale borrow
Eyja borrow for survival ok tho

distant frigate
#

My main strat is just having logos solo the boss and ulpipi deal with the steamknights, but ulpipi just dies

rapid junco
#

Might borrow e2 gladia if you concern about ulpi lifeTimiLook

teal moon
distant frigate
rapid junco
#

With heal, yes. You use s3 for damage here not s2

wicked minnow
#

with gladiia he basically can

teal moon
full terrace
south spindle
wicked minnow
#

🤫

distant frigate
willow sun
#

the irl 1-7 mines

rapid junco
#

Main problem is where the drone coming and it's start blasting realmad

rapid junco
teal moon
#

Satori told me he will close an eye on me but Idk if I'm free to share the source honestly

distant frigate
teal moon
#

not that it's so difficult to find

willow sun
rapid junco
#

Can you just dms and not share it on official serverokcat

full terrace
#

S2 works S3 works. S3 has more flexibility coz you can use his redeploy to completely dodge Steam Knight's super punch

#

It's just flavors

teal moon
distant frigate
full terrace
#

No but it reduces healing pressure

rapid junco
#

Uhh bro can literally test it with own ulpi

distant frigate
full terrace
rapid junco
#

And he also can dodge flying barrage with s3 too
So op

full terrace
#

And his original tile cant be locked too 😏

rapid junco
#

That why I recommend borrow gladia but healing from medic are fine

#

He moduled

full terrace
#

I think I ran a simulation with ulpi for someone few days ago, lemme dig it up one sec

rapid junco
#

My modless lvl 80 + gladia mod 3 can survive until boss force me quitCry

south spindle
#

ty

full terrace
rapid junco
#

In note, you want to kill boss first before steam knight. Unless you legit want facing 4-5 Gundam + dronesrealmad

distant frigate
rapid junco
#

Erm

wicked minnow
#

the small steamknights have like 3 hp

#

just like kill them

distant frigate
wicked minnow
#

oh so the 2nd boss

#

uhhhh

full terrace
#

The big one face tank him with your Ulpi