strategy

[narrow patrol]

Ray’s been I. That one spot the entire time. Lol

[scarlet fulcrum]

Lv60 Ray

[full terrace]

I just love Ray's binding property

Saved me so many times

[willow sun]

@wicked minnow here’s some ss i took

it seems like ranged/melee doesn’t matter, it’s just deploy order, i think the distance the unit travels is based on where his head is or something, it’d explain why its shifted upwards when fired left or right

let me try top down as well too

yup this guy stinks

it’s definitely based on where is head is

what i don’t understand is why he can’t heal humus/ela in the right to left screenshots

let me try left to right

bum is just asymmetrical

no. no. it can’t be. THERES FUCKING RNG???

[vital vessel]

wtf

[willow sun]

i actually hate this robot 🥹

[plain flame]

Imagine having an rng healing mechanic wtf

[little orchid]

you mean he heals canta but not humus?

[willow sun]

he does heal humus
half of the time

check the second screenshot

one ss he heals humus but not top wis summon

other the opposite

and get this: if you’re lucky he can heal both

[limpid ore]

the second alchemical unit is several pixel off from the first one

[vital vessel]

the perfect center

[limpid ore]

[willow sun]

yeah but WHY??

[vital vessel]

frame when throwing?

[little orchid]

i would blame it on landing point coordinates calculation being victim of framedrop or smth, and thus resulting in +/- few pixels

[limpid ore]

plz understand indie dev

[willow sun]

i was thinking maybe frame rate shenanigans but that wouldn’t affect left or right healing since it’s traveling up and down

at the very least it should (should) still be symmetrical

[vital vessel]

no, it would effect how it would land

[willow sun]

yeah ik but not left or right is what i’m saying

unless there’s something i’m missing

wait i see what you mean

because he waves his hand

i’d have to go on my pc and take recordings and overlap them

[vital vessel]

damn you sure have time

[willow sun]

anything but doing my homework

hell i’m in a lecture right now

[vital vessel]

aight bro have fun

[little orchid]

imagine having homework to do

[willow sun]

i will not
i will short circuit this mechanical moron

[little orchid]

doesn't work, hool already tried

[vital vessel]

honestly i get how they coded this

because tin man would throw the unit at his target
so the target attribute have to be dynamic

[little orchid]

naturally, but there's no target in his screenshots

[vital vessel]

hence the frame lag affecting his landing due to calculation regarding the landing point

[willow sun]

maybe it might depend on whether or not he had targeted an enemy since being deployed but that’s a stretch

[little orchid]

so basically what i said earlier

i would blame it on landing point coordinates calculation being victim of framedrop or smth

[vital vessel]

like the calculation starts when tin man starts animation

probably something like that

[willow sun]

i think it’s probably just “move this distance in the x/y direction from hand” and when it actually leaves his hand is the “rng”

which i think is what you said femn

[vital vessel]

i'm no demon

[willow sun]

shh autocorrect

[little orchid]

where it leaves from shouldn't matter

unless they actually did monkey code it

[willow sun]

it shouldn’t but indie dev

they probably just didn’t hardcode it

[vital vessel]

you can't hardcode it cuz it has to be dynamic

[willow sun]

or at least didn’t code it relative to his placement position but rather device-leaving-hand position

[vital vessel]

unless you do like no target or target statement

[willow sun]

you could hardcode it given the condition no enemies are being targeted, no?

[vital vessel]

but that doesn't seem to be the case right

no target feels like it shouldn't matter, cuz it works on target even if no target so they just scraps it

[willow sun]

i think the calculated from where it leaves hand hypothesis would make sense since frame skip would affect that, and regardless of where he’s placed he swings his arm in both the x and y directions

[willow sun]

wdym works on target even if no target

[vital vessel]

i need to dig into the game codes for confirmation and i'm too lazy to do so

[willow sun]

fair point

[vital vessel]

like i said if dynamic target, you could just put clause in front if no target
but in front keeps changing cuz frame lag when animation

[willow sun]

i don’t even code much and i don’t think id even want to see the code

or rather i code quite a bit but its not game dev style code

[willow sun]

so it makes an imaginary target is what you’re saying?

rather than some calculation of distance it just pretends there’s a target to lock onto

and that target is shifting around because of frame skip for some reason?

[vital vessel]

it makes a fixed but relative to the hand throw thing
but hand throw coordinate keeps changing

[little orchid]

actually i think it should be the opposite? when it has a targets, it retrieves its coordiantes and throws device there

[willow sun]

wait so isn’t that what i suggested earlier

[vital vessel]

yea but i'm saying what the code does

[willow sun]

mm my brains too small for that, idk how video game code works, best i can do is make minesweeper

[little orchid]

wait till you try to code combat ai

[willow sun]

i won’t don’t worry

[vital vessel]

yes IF, it has target that snapshots the target coordinates when starts throwing

calculation starts when starts throwing is my point
but throwing starting point keeps changing

[full terrace]

It's because the Alchemical Unit's landing point is not 100% centered on the tile it landed on. It must be coded like: throw X pixels from the direction of Tin Man. You can see that in all of your screenshots the Alchemical Units are slightly closer to the direction of Tin Man. Screenshot 1 it's thrown from the right side it's closer to the right. Screenshot 2 it's thrown from the left side it's closer to the left. Screenshot 5 it's thrown from the upper side it's above the yellow line, and Screenshot 7 it's thrown from the bottom side it's below the yellow line. I used his healing a lot in IS5 and there were several scenarios where I couldnt reach Wisadel's Revenant Shadow throwing it from the left side (Shadow was on the right), so I adjusted my strategy and started throwing it from the bottom side. Since it's from bottom side, the upper side would not be reached but the right side would.

[vital vessel]

nah flan, we're talking about the rng

[willow sun]

yeah that’s what i thought as well but it must be something more specific like where the sprite hand actually is
like some platinum/ange skin bs

[vital vessel]

maybe tinman skin would fix it

[willow sun]

otherwise you could just rotate the images and he should be healing the same spots

[willow sun]

i’m gonna try this with his skin when we get it

[full terrace]

I dont think Tin Man's sprite, frame drop, nor RNG has anything to do with it. I use him all the time and he has been pretty consistent to me in some stages in IS5. It's just the distance between the Alchemical Unit and Tin Man himself from my observation.

[vital vessel]

explain this then

you think it's a range?

[full terrace]

@civic bear would like this topic. If he can clarify this with data and evidence that'd be wonderful.

[vital vessel]

if it's a range, that's redundant cuz of how small the range is

[willow sun]

it’s big enough to make some healing tiles piss off

i was always confused about this since i swore sometimes in is5 id do the same placements but i could never be sure if he’d heal someone at the edge of his healing like that or not

[vital vessel]

it's like only a few pixel off
or they should make the healing tolerance range bigger

like even if it touches the tile on only 1 pixel it'll still heal

[willow sun]

probably, yeah, i don’t get why some healing tiles only touch the op’s toes if they’re intended to be healed

[vital vessel]

now we wait for tinman skin

hold on
does thorns alter work this way too

fucking shitty

[willow sun]

i’m trying to think if like they could’ve just coded it as an entity that spawns on the enemy tile and makes a range like CE s3 that’s locked to certain tiles instead of radius

and like

dusk exists

so it’s not like they can’t

[vital vessel]

yea you spawn 2 freeling on 1 atk kinda shit
but dusk is aoe tho i get that

[willow sun]

but i guess its because thorns thing moves

and you can really do that with tile locked stuff

except for when the londinium cannon targets a civilian apparently

[vital vessel]

oof that's a doozy

[willow sun]

i love this indie game

[vital vessel]

very confusing when i first saw moving londinium canon target

[willow sun]

cannon range hits cano but not invis right

not targeting

i kinda want to test its moving range now the next time i get that is5 stage

[glass monolith]

I'm pretty sure it hits both camo and invis, but it can't target invis at all, while camo lose "can't be targeted" while blocking

[vital vessel]

https://tomimi.dev/en/stages/ISW-NO_Rogue_Mercenary

[willow sun]

i thought invis also gets lost while blocked? i.e. cantabile

[glass monolith]

Cantabile is camo

[vital vessel]

only to the blocked enemy

[glass monolith]

Only invis i know of is Firewatch S1 and smoke tile from like chapter 2 or 3 and it has enemy who reveal both camo and invis because F you

[full terrace]

I do think it's the range. Rather than "it should touch this tile" I'm leaning toward "it shouldnt have touched this tile, but because the range touches the tile with its error margin, it heals". Idk what causes the error margin, it could be his idle motion, and like someone said earlier, the Alchemical Unit's landing point is calculated from the moment it leaves Tin Man's hand. But I dont think the sprite (skin), frame drop, and RNG has anything to do with it. I could be wrong, but I'd like a scientific evidence for it if someone want to prove me wrong.

[vital vessel]

don't think it hits invis

[willow sun]

i think they meant a range as in a range of spots the unit could land on, changing based on frame rate/skips or something

[vital vessel]

just dig into game code simple

[willow sun]

i’ll check frame by frame now that i’m at my pc

[glass monolith]

i will write python code to check for me

[vital vessel]

are you calculating the pixels

[glass monolith]

Looks very f- hit for me

[vital vessel]

camo def hits then?

[elder flume]

[full terrace]

Do check with something like, storing 2 Charges and throw 2x Alchemical Unit at once. From my experience tho, they have been consistently landing on the same spot, which is closer to the direction of Tin Man. But the circles they create, are not always consistently centered around the Alchemical Units, there is like ±1 pixel error margin. But then again, I did not zoom in and look closely if both Alchemical Units are 100% perfectly stacked together.

[willow sun]

i could just compare the two/three images i have of them, the ones where they heal different units, i'll check if they're pixel perfect landing or not

ok unfortunately they do land on the same pixel @vital vessel

two images overlapped

[full terrace]

Yah thats what I observed

But the circles dont always 100% overlap

If you throw 2 I mean*

[wicked minnow]

yeah i just use him and just assume he isnt hitting those 4 tiles that seem a bit rng

also also

[full terrace]

Better to assume that way tbh

Instead of RNG, I think the devs just suck at making perfect circle 😂

[wicked minnow]

his alchemist unit is a bit weird the way it deals damage atleast. it seems to be like an on/off switch for damage that gets updated when the unit enters or leaves the circle

[full terrace]

And the animation/effect ruined its range

[willow sun]

as for his circles i can't tell a visual difference, then again his vfx makes it a bit ambiguous

healing

not healing

[wicked minnow]

tinman is just really weird imma be real

this interaction along with the is3 enemies that go invis when they enter the pool

[willow sun]

are you trying to show that they get hit even after leaving the stairs

[full terrace]

Imperfect design, but he has been pretty good to me for early stages on lower floors

Once I get to F3 I usually 100% ditch him

Maybe not 100%, I do bring him back here and there

[willow sun]

there's definitely been some cases where i needed his heals but they didn't reach, but nothing just better planning couldn't fix (yet)

[wicked minnow]

even after they leave his range completely

[willow sun]

still annoying though

[willow sun]

i mean ik lock on attacks can hit units outside of their range if they move fast enough

like i've seen him throw a unit backwards

unless thats not what you mean

[wicked minnow]

no no not that. the alchemist unit is damaging enemies outside its range

completely outside its range

[willow sun]

yeah i see that one, might just be an interaction with stairs though tbh

[wicked minnow]

for the full duration

[willow sun]

wait full duration? lemme rewatch

oh wait yeah wtf

i think thats the stairs though

just my guess

[wicked minnow]

ye it's the way the stairs interact with the alchemist units

scuffed ass coding istg

[full terrace]

Usually when his heal doesnt reach, the next time I do that stage again, I change his positioning. Like for example he could not heal the far right by throwing the AU from the left, on the next attempt I throw it from the bottom. Now he couldnt heal the far top, but does reach the far right.

[full terrace]

This is not new, the stairs do not only interact with the AU this way. It did something like this to me with Logos as well back then #strategy message

Just poorly coded

[willow sun]

so it seems like when the enter/leave stairs, they fail to update the "status effect" that they're currently under

and it makes it global essentially

[full terrace]

Yeah exactly

[willow sun]

thats...

[full terrace]

😂

I'm not sure about the 50/50 and the no healing, but that seems pretty accurate to me.

[willow sun]

yeah im double checking them right now

i just tried facing left 5 times and got this result all 5 times

[full terrace]

I appreciate any scientific findings because I dont have to go out and test them myself, so thank you

[willow sun]

no problem i guess, i'm just doing it cause i'd rather do something i'm interested in than my homework

seems like these are the healing ranges

the only thing that just makes no sense is the yellow tiles on facing up being "rng" but oh well

[willow sun]

nvm the top two tiles for facing up are rng as well
*as far as im aware, blue tile is placement, green tiles are consistent healing, yellow tiles are 50/50 healing, red tiles are no healing

[willow sun]

goofy ass throw location

[sly drift]

Just find out that Tin man summon remain on field until duration ended even though Tin man died

[scarlet fulcrum]

Also its different source, so smt like reflect ability wont hurt him

[willow sun]

last screenshot i swear but i've spent all 30 plans spamming tin mans skill

what do you mean he missed two units

he misses fedex and humus here

thats

thats now how circles work

what the actual fuck

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah its always on circle, the reason range terms always in radius

[willow sun]

no like

you cant get a circle to reach only the tiles it does

tin mans stupid s2 isn't a circle

[scarlet fulcrum]

He throw it not in center anyway, by default

So u can see that result

[willow sun]

that doesn't change the fact that his s2 legit just isn't a circle

[scarlet fulcrum]

?

[willow sun]

any of the situations above means his s2 literally can't be a circle or the game's actually just running on noodle code

actually he can miss just one operator

say he misses the lower one on the top right

the upper one on the top right would overlap by just this much

the lower one on the top right (missed) would be pixel perfect lined up

and the upper one on the bottom right woudl also just be grazed by the hitbox

depends on how big the pixel scaling in game is (my model uses 100x100 tiles with 50 radius op hitboxes and a 400 radius heal hitbox) but it's definitely possible

[willow sun]

missing two ops like shown here is just straight up impossible though, this is as close as you can get with my model, and it doesn't matter how precise the in-game sprites are you are not getting anywhere near the two on the bottom right

this op is actually driving me nuts

[willow sun]

@vital vessel @wicked minnow sorry for the ping but take a look at this

something beyond jank is going on here

[scarlet mortar]

it's coord rounding

[wicked minnow]

how is he missing fedex. his s2 isnt supposed to ever miss that tile though

[willow sun]

i dont get how coord rounding can compensate for THIS big of a gap

[willow sun]

i have another where he doesn't miss humus this time because screw you says tin man

[scarlet mortar]

arknights follows odd-even rounding rules, if say your coord is .x5 then it gets rounded down for odd x

and up for even x

[willow sun]

shouldn't the rounding be consistent at least then?

[scarlet mortar]

ehhhhhh if tin man has some RNG then it's outta my hands

seems like he does

[willow sun]

rough

but yeah i thought it was bad before when he just randomly misses 1 op with like a 5-10% chance for each of the 8 slots
but two?? and in opposite corners???

[scarlet mortar]

coord rounding's the only thing i can guess explains the weird hitbox radius

the RNG is some jank idk

[willow sun]

i ran out of plans so i can't test but i seriously question whether or not there's rng when he faces other directions now

[mighty tangle]

is this one tough?

[vocal leaf]

no, it’s very easy and you can block the path of 1 enemy spawn box

[narrow pendant]

This stage equivalent in is4 tho is

[willow sun]

thats the one with like 10 gundams/sc right

[long breach]

Question is Mlynar usable at E1? Or is he not useful till E2?

[willow sun]

his s2 is pretty good but his s3 outclasses it by a long shot

[vital vessel]

which one?
i can't remember

[narrow pendant]

The one with the hammer guys, dorothy mechas and shit

The mix

[vital vessel]

wth

is it this one

nope this is cannot's

legit can't remember

[narrow pendant]

Sir thats shop fight

[vital vessel]

it's always been like this can't remember is4 maps for shit
is3 is5 i can 💀

[narrow pendant]

This one

[vital vessel]

oh shit i remember now

[vital vessel]

yea

omg fck that stage

[wicked minnow]

what's the name of this stage?

[narrow pendant]

Envoy of justice

An encounter stage

[vital vessel]

envoy of justice

i don't think i ever no leak the stage

[wicked minnow]

damn i never encountered that stage maybe for the best

[vital vessel]

https://tomimi.dev/en/stages/ISW-DF_'Envoy_of_Justice'

[wicked minnow]

i have an acount d14 and another at d12 and both finished the battle pass and i aint ever faced that stage

[narrow pendant]

Its from a somewhat rare encounter

Think iys like, a f5 only encounter or something so goodluck

[vital vessel]

pretty sure you can get it earlier

nope nvm

[narrow pendant]

Yea i have no idea

I just know it sucks horse cocks

[full terrace]

Operators not broken enough

I always no leak the stage, mainly because I run the broken meta ops

[full terrace]

@pure orchid wonder when was the last time I got this 🤣

Also freaking tags are telling me to pull Phantom

[pure orchid]

Hey i just got one too a while ago lmao

I got a fkn saria dupe instead of Maria tho…

[full terrace]

🤣

Game be changing your M to S

Close enough, one is sadist the other masochist

[pure orchid]

Holy

I didnt realize that

[willow sun]

[vital vessel]

yea i rarely draft wis on is4

[daring patio]

Idk why hg keeps designing bosses like clip cliff

he is so unfair if you use lower rarity

and even if you use all 6* he just shred through tanks

[wicked minnow]

am trying to tank cliff rn with welfares. will tell you how it goes when im done with this

[daring patio]

I just don't like this feeling of getting stuck in stage for an hour

[wicked minnow]

cv-ex-8 you can tank with welfares just fine

[daring patio]

Lumen

[wicked minnow]

CM the guy deals way too much damage for my liking and way too often

[wicked minnow]

Lumen?

what is lumen supposed to do?

[daring patio]

Make someone stun immune

[wicked minnow]

i could replace my lumen with ceylon and my strategy would barely change

stun immune is kinda useless

[daring patio]

you guys are gamers

im just gonna watch a guide cause i respect my time

[wicked minnow]

im finding out rn what people have been talking about the past few days

[compact trellis]

It can still be done tho just specific operators

[daring patio]

Then again its too much effort

[wicked minnow]

im gonna do it with my method and look at arkrec for how low rarity does it

[daring patio]

I can only give 4-5 tries on my own

[wicked minnow]

i dont think you can conventionally tank this with welfares atleast for more than 1 skill from clip

but i am not sure so imma try again ;D

[daring patio]

Then there is 2nd phase where he teleports

I don't fully understand how it works

[foggy grove]

low rarity just perma stall phase 1 on top

clear everything else

then kill cliff

[daring patio]

Yeah that's what kyo fid

[foggy grove]

higher rarity can just kill or perma tank

[compact trellis]

If his skill successfully defeated the operator/it is retreated then it I'll teleport, so dollkeepers and high defense that can tank will prevent it

[wicked minnow]

huh, i might do that maybe. i've been just bruteforcing the stage so far. i managed to setup once but ill probably change my strat

i think tinman + highmore could do vent duty prolly

[daring patio]

The retreat part is confusing

[wicked minnow]

does kyo use vents or?

[daring patio]

is it retreat during the skill or anytime

[daring patio]

No

He just use vents to last hit

for the medal

[compact trellis]

As soon as the operator got stunned it counts as inside the skill frame

[daring patio]

I see

there is like a plus sign below the operator when he tries to stun you i believe

Thats where you supposed to retreat i guess

[compact trellis]

No I mean when that plus sign appears it's either survive or he teleports

[daring patio]

Ah

i see kyo doing the thing where he deploy retreat instantly

thats why he wasn't teleporting

do you know how many seconds we have before he cast skill?

[compact trellis]

I believe 18 seconds in normal mode

[daring patio]

thats seems like a alot

9 seconds in 2x even

[compact trellis]

It's 15 seconds actually my bad

[uncut shore]

Has anyone messed with Coldshot? Is she good?

I just reinstalled and I like, received this thingy that instantly e2's someone

[scarlet mortar]

she is not good

[willow sun]

who are your options? and you can ask in #help

[merry narwhal]

She hits hard, but wastes bullets on trash too, so you have to filter out the trash first. As you can imagine that makes her better in no-block strategies. You could deal with all that or you could just bring another six star

She does have 5* art though

[sage drift]

What makes Rosmontis below average here?

[glass monolith]

Existence of Wisadel?

Where is Here too

If Here is literally anywhere outside IS where module IS exclusive effects don't active - Lol lmao

[foggy grove]

all flinger outside of wis has dph issue

they are fine for low to mid mobs

well ros also is kinda clunky

[full terrace]

Rosmontis is below average to begin with. The "great in IS" refers to her use in IS5 gameplay, with a Relic called Hands of Rumble, and even with that I wouldnt call her "great".

[foggy grove]

did you see is mod pic there

[merry narwhal]

Cannot kill high def, can't hit air, and requires enemies to be blocked. Her s2 is okay, but still just a minor skyfire upgrade

[foggy grove]

she is great

[glass monolith]

Read image It says "IS module great in IS and below average otherwise" And bro just comes and without any additional context asks why below average

[merry narwhal]

It's a legitimate question imo

[glass monolith]

Why Ling is below average on 1 deployment slot CC maps?

[sage drift]

Uhh because she can't summon? Ling has summon right?

[glass monolith]

It was "you don't have to answer question" my point is of course IS module is below average when not in IS because it turns into just stats with no effects which are seek after when moduling in first place outside people who do it for lore

[sterile delta]

rosmontis becomes thanos in is5 and a quadriplegic outside

[glass monolith]

Thanos is IS Angelina, 50% of world is now floating

[sterile delta]

angelina is the space stone i guess

[sage drift]

I see, you've got solid point

[foggy grove]

well that's not the point

that rating is for the unit,not about the module

[glass monolith]

Well then don't chop name of column which states it is overall rating, not module rating/priority

There are condition to ensure my judgement ain't clouded

[foggy grove]

i mean even if it's chopped,there is no need for stating the obvious that is module sucks outside of IS

[vocal leaf]

Greyyalter > Wisadel 🗣️

[versed whale]

How do I optimize this run????? Took me almost three hours to beat non challenge mode… I need to improve for CM

[vocal leaf]

mlynar+aak can kill boss in like 6 seconds

[versed whale]

Is aak a guard

I can borrow one guard for CM

[tired eagle]

A specialist

[versed whale]

I can’t use aak then

[vocal leaf]

you are using skalter

[versed whale]

I like Skalter….

And I don’t have a final guard

I missed on Degen banner

[tired eagle]

Mlynar surtr and texas alt can 3 op it

[versed whale]

I can only add a guard

Otherwise I’d just add Wisadel lol

[tired eagle]

oh i see

[vocal leaf]

i saw a 3 only guard clear earlier

[versed whale]

WAT WHICH ONES???

[vocal leaf]

https://youtu.be/x9eyT0Hg4Jo?si=B-tki8DFGn1Gq9Nk

[versed whale]

Wowwwwww Okok

Tyyyy

I thought I was clever for that mlynar spot

[limpid ore]

there is also 3 snipers clear

[sage drift]

Even Wisadel struggles to kill him in CM EX

[mighty tangle]

Ah yes, instakill.

tag isn't gone but she is

[vocal leaf]

boys only needed few seconds, but surely there’s a oneshot clear with eben out there, i missing eben and stainless

[versed whale]

do you need masteries on ulpipi s2

i only have s3

[rancid void]

I borrowed ray for boss killing and used wisadel logos for vent activation and clean up, probably could just use other operators instead of them

[versed whale]

do u hab any AH buffs on uplipii?

[versed whale]

im 95% guardknights with random skalter i cant use most of those

[narrow pendant]

Fraud guardknights player

[rancid void]

Oh I didn’t see that sorry

[versed whale]

I DONT HAVE A LAST SLOT GUARD YET

vina victoria then im full

although i feel like amiya is uselesss and akafuyu is almost useless....

[vocal leaf]

no, that’s male only

[versed whale]

mannn looks like I need to actually mastery s2

i didnt know he can tank that guy

[vocal leaf]

gnosis is probably what is helping him to survive

[versed whale]

rly?

what does gnosis do

[limpid ore]

cold make enemy attack slower too

[celest bluff]

What about using logos s2 not s3

[narrow pendant]

🤯

Wouldnt work well
Range limitation and no atk buff

Cliff has decent res

[celest bluff]

Damn

How much again

[vocal leaf]

i was thinking the 10% enfeeble, but yeah that too

[scarlet fulcrum]

Logos doesn't matter there tbh, prob only to help mobbing

[narrow pendant]

Doesnt enfeeble need mod

[celest bluff]

Ye the range doesn't help

[vocal leaf]

thats not s3, is s1

s3 was actually very good protecting mlynar from dying when i was killing the boss before he get blocked ulpi, then i changed the strat to s1 and block him

[wicked minnow]

you can very much conventionally tank this with welfares

[vocal leaf]

yes, mine is mod3

[narrow pendant]

Male knights player?

[vocal leaf]

kinda, but not really, only for events

[scarlet fulcrum]

But well s3 best to use there regardless

[narrow pendant]

Just asking cuz mod3 gnosis isnt worth at all

So if u were itd make sense

[wicked minnow]

i have mod6 pallas. we all make mistakes in the heat of the moment

[limpid ore]

ive seen mod9 eben

[vocal leaf]

mod9 phantom is even crazier to me

[limpid ore]

mod9 phantom is cheaper tbh

[vocal leaf]

but all his mods are bad, with eben at least you will be doing something

[scarlet fulcrum]

Average grinder

[vocal leaf]

is that tinman s1?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea 1 radius

[vocal leaf]

i was going to use him for the 30% enfeeble but at the end i went for gnosis

[wicked minnow]

Ye. Even with tin man s1 and silence's sanctuary, the boss deals too much damage so you have to cycle between abilities like valarqvin s2 and silence s2

You could also just pray that heavyrain/hoshi dodges 3 of the 6 hits

[scarlet fulcrum]

During OG event run its abusing valarq and silence alt

Prob already optimized with tin man exist now

The funny thing he can also trigger vent very easily

[timber edge]

God bless KyoStinV

this dodging cowboy such a pain in the ass

[glass monolith]

He doesn't dodge. He just damage penetrates certain distance on kill

[wicked minnow]

i just watched the arkrec welfare only clear. my characters levels are at module level so my bison eats shit and dies the moment cliff looks at him. it's a pretty cool clear though. tinman probably doesnt do anything for that clear btw. tin man is more a liability than a part of the strategy imo

i didnt use bison to tank, i used heavyrain because of the reason mentioned above (so tin man kinda worked for me but still)

[scarlet fulcrum]

Does they insert tinman? Im curious with new record. My internet ass so

[wicked minnow]

the problem is there's no one to replace in that clear

[scarlet fulcrum]

If not there is room for new record

[wicked minnow]

i can maybe see valarqvin getting replaced but that doesnt reduce the op count. also tinman would perform worse in the earlier part of the stage

[scarlet fulcrum]

So new one has tinman?

[wicked minnow]

why would there even be a new one if the op count stays the same 😭

[scarlet fulcrum]

So still 8 ops? If my memory right 💀

[wicked minnow]

it's a 5 op clear welfare only

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh its 5 ops now, finally can load the page lmao

Yea just checked

[timber edge]

Also GoldenGlow really useful in that fight. I basically have extra damage on demand

[wicked minnow]

it's a pretty neat clear. i didnt know astgenne and valar were enough for the entire left side. i used absinthe for that

[timber edge]

I put Golden in left bottom corner and delete extra enemies

not even Cowboy targets her

[scarlet fulcrum]

Ah yea, there is no rng too, quite neat clear

[brittle saddle]

Guys, how do you manage to farm orundum in the base?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Hoard rocks outside event (1-7), convert em on Base later outside that. Not efficient to do per se

[brittle saddle]

Wdym

[wicked minnow]

you also need a good amount of LMD to do it but you sacrifice all your passive lmd production and exp production

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its stopping ur building progress

[brittle saddle]

I have 1M

[scarlet fulcrum]

1M is nothing, 960k for 10 pulls only

Thats like less than 4 weeks or smt

[brittle saddle]

Dammit, hypergraph should buff the orundum production

[scarlet fulcrum]

☕

#1211614253354852362

[glass monolith]

Dude be happy we have no random gear farming and decent rates with pities

[scarlet fulcrum]

Weapon gacha imagine

[glass monolith]

Compared to some other Yostar publishing where you can pull up to fucking spark without single 6*

[brittle saddle]

Ikr

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh well they even ignored the Ass operator preview design complaint, prob useless forum to begin with

[vocal leaf]

someone pointed out that they probably already done the job for like 6 months or even more, so we will have to wait a couple of months to see whether they listened or not

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its started recently not really 6 months

oh well we will see on next celebration event

[vocal leaf]

no, i mean like 6 months ahead, the future stuff must be done already

[scarlet fulcrum]

So like uh ulpian+6 months

💀

[vocal leaf]

or even more, it’s just a theory anyway, we don’t know how they actually work

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh well we will see

[void river]

where did u get this skin

[wicked minnow]

RA store like phase 6 or something stage 7

[fallen terrace]

Can Defender tank boss combo skill?

On Hard?

[scarlet fulcrum]

If u know his mechanic sure, easily

[fallen terrace]

My Mlynar got 1 skill dead destroyed even witj Skalter s2 support

[glass monolith]

You can always add layout of 🧀 with Stainless S3 for 36% DR, Silence Alter S2 (Warn in advance, it don't cycle with EX boss) etc

[fallen terrace]

Should I ray S3 Typhon s3 it again like the one on the other event?

I tried Civilight E S3 but Im not sure how it works

[scarlet fulcrum]

With ur ops, it should be easier to snipe the dude, u have like wisadel, Ray and even duo frd for mobbing

Kinda very stacked roster regardless

[fallen terrace]

Ok ill try again thnx

[wicked minnow]

if you have any sort of good 6* dpses you shouldnt really consider tanking the boss unless you have ulpi + gladiia

[scarlet fulcrum]

#strategy message both safe in this range, add the rest of slot with ur needs. Warf not really needed with those ops u have

[fallen terrace]

@wicked minnow @scarlet fulcrum defeated it thnx

[scarlet fulcrum]

Congrats

[wicked minnow]

oh nice congrats

[uneven bane]

For the CM for clip; is it better to attempt to stall him with nian/shu/3 healers until everyone else is dead or try to get rid of him at the start?

Since for the normal version; those 4 held them there (one of the healers was purestream)

What I used for the NM battle:

[little orchid]

borrow ray s3, warf her and vent the boss?

[uneven bane]

Think I didn’t even bother with the heat vent and slowly chipped the dude down

Guessing that’s way too slow?

[little orchid]

can also stall boss with nymph s2 until he dies of ~~cringe ~~necrosis

[uneven bane]

Is there even a safe nymph spot for that?

[little orchid]

when he starts going down after exiting stairs

[uneven bane]

How’s this?

Guessing borrow a powerful healer to keep nian alive until the dude is alone?

[little orchid]

worth a try

[wicked minnow]

nian is probably getting her ass oneshot

[vocal leaf]

do you have gladiia? borrow ulpi if you do

[full terrace]

#strategy message I assume you want the trimmed medal as well? There are plenty of ways to deal with Cliff

[uneven bane]

I already have the trimmed medal; just need to beat Cm again

[wicked minnow]

you have enough units to just kill the boss so why bother tanking it

[full terrace]

Then just kill it again the way you did so back then?

[uneven bane]

I had way less tools back then; like that Cm was a nightmare

Guessing burst clip down then?

[vocal leaf]

another option is using shamare with your tank

[full terrace]

Well you have plenty of resources now, honestly I cant see you fail with that squad

[little orchid]

tinman s1 can also perma debuff his atk by 25%

[full terrace]

You have Typhon, she works. You can also do the Nymph+Virtuosa combo. You just need a powerful ranged dps really

And if you wanna tank, Spalter plus those FRDs also work

[somber falcon]

typhon warf just deletes him, what are you even thinking that hard for

[wary shuttle]

if you can't kill clip fast enough in 1 setup maybe bind him with ranged units?

[wicked minnow]

5* only record is 4 ops with Whisperain Tin Man S1 Greyy the Lightbringer and Criossant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWO4PmALpps

honestly still not sure if welfares can 4 op. greyy does quite a lot that run

[summer copper]

no way she can actually solo cv-ex-3cm

[tired eagle]

click bait i thought myrtle solo'ed cv ex 3 cm

[summer copper]

[full terrace]

@pure orchid Goodness today is not my IS day. I got FIVE consecutive failed runs 😑
There is just always something that is actively trying to kill the run, like getting Flourishing Suffering on Emergency Simulated Skirmish, getting Flourishing Philosophy RIGHT before the FTT Node TWICE in a row on F3 and F4, failed to rob Cannot on F5 because of no dps from garbage Relics, got no vouchers to upgrade Wis by F3 🤦 🤦

[summer copper]

ok apparently she can also solo cv-ex-4 cm

how

ok u can't solo ex-5 with walter
phew

[tired eagle]

she can solo many more thing

[summer copper]

ye she can solo cv-8

[tired eagle]

a15 is3

[summer copper]

also cv-ex-6 cm if u r lucky enough

[summer copper]

I thought Kroos alter can do that too

[tired eagle]

[pure orchid]

This is why we dont play is after rewards

[full terrace]

I should probably lower the difficulty and do a safer run

[vivid rain]

Is your purestream e1

[smoky halo]

wat u want bozo

[vivid rain]

I dont need you anymore ur too slow

[smoky halo]

lol

🚬

[full terrace]

I would recommend you to stop using guides and start playing by yourself. You are way too reliant on guides, that you follow them to a T. It kills your creativity, especially when a guide does not work, you become busy looking for alternative guides. This kind of reliance results in monotonous play, thats why nobody bothers reading your blogging. But anyway, if you really want a guide to clear it, I'd recommend LeoTse96 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7GbSi7wIU&pp=ygUHQ1YtRVgtOA%3D%3D

That one is a beautiful low-end clear. I dont watch guides but I'm subscribed to his channel coz his low-end videos are creative and entertaining.

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh well 5* only always breeze, already watched this

[sly drift]

Anyone have stats of Eblana full stack summon?

Want to see it

[vocal leaf]

that seems to be it

[sly drift]

And this cost no deployment slot?

[smoky halo]

it cost like 6 kills instead from what i understand

[sly drift]

14k HP
1.1k Def
20 Res

Who would've thought that Nian Powercreep is a caster

[smoky halo]

nian def is higher

[sly drift]

Caster summon

[sly drift]

14k HP is abomination

[smoky halo]

🚬 the condition to summon it is ass

[sly drift]

What condition

Kill 6?

[smoky halo]

yes

[sly drift]

Why is it ass. I don't understand

It's not like you need to activate skill 5 times like chong

[vocal leaf]

they don’t even bother to powercreep hoshi/nian with an operator, it had to be a summon

[smoky halo]

if you can easily kill 6 enemies that means whatever setup you have is already fine for killing the rest of the enemies
if you cant easily kill 6 enemies then you cant summon the strong thing

🫡

her range is pretty small too so u have to position ur ops to kill within her range

[sly drift]

Is this another sicko episode of "Sorry but that operator isn't super meta" again. Aren't we enough of it.

[smoky halo]

i dont really mind niche ops

they just need a purpose or something else that other ops cant do

[wicked minnow]

IS caster ticket that can ground tank

[smoky halo]

i like nymph and yu design cause they can do shit other ops cant

[wicked minnow]

i think she's kinda neat she's like a caster + tank + healer. you just hate characters that arent blatantly powerful ong ong

[lofty stag]

No he hates characters that aren’t twinks fr fr

[smoky halo]

i dont like ops that can be replaced

‼️

[glass monolith]

SIr i can replace Wisadel with Kroos alter and 6 buffers

[smoky halo]

like why do i even bother with her if i can just replace her with someone else

🚬

[lofty stag]

Then just don’t replace her 🥱

[smoky halo]

this op is just not made for me

[vocal leaf]

every time i read polymer’s name, i see femboy instead of fanboy idk why

[lofty stag]

Prolly by design 🥱

[vocal leaf]

https://youtu.be/jjBwIO0rZP4?si=UnHO3eKW0vr4dLGP
anyway watching this clear made me realize i could place lumen and thorns there, also gnosis that can hit both boss and vent for faster activation

i should’ve activated exalt skill too, so thorns doesn’t have to be stuck forever with that shieldguard

[wicked minnow]

the name of the vid is kinda annoying lowkey. bro just used a crusher to stall like...

[vocal leaf]

but it used tinman, it’s ok

[willow sun]

i mean they’re not wrong about the combo as a whole, only offensive recovery is pretty funny lol

[crystal meteor]

how to deal with the bunny things in reed3's event

the ones that turn to shadow things outside range

[soft adder]

Hey guys what module would yall recommend for dusk for general content. I have her m9ed

Haven't touch her modules tho

[scarlet mortar]

Ymod zero contest

less DP cost and the freelings give her more SP to cut the waiting time of her S2/3

/charge more procs for S1

[full terrace]

People use Dusk in general content?

I thought she is only for someone like Kris that plays Casterknight

[foggy grove]

yes?
people do random goober that's not wis/logos

[willow sun]

@wicked minnow my homework is some bullshit so imma drop it and work on calcs instead
loopshooter atk interval is annoying because where the projectile spawns based on their character model varies so i'll just assume it always spawns at the center (idk exactly where it spawns)

[wicked minnow]

bro dropped it so fast 😭

ye it spawns somewhere weird so assuming center is probably better

[willow sun]

i am NOT doing this shit bro

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/xop1ahwx0y

anyways here's a draft

to the left of black dotted line is where caper hits 1s atk interval, brigid never can since her attack takes a minimum of 1s on s2

low opacity lines are their attack intervals * 1000 so they can be seen without having to zoom in and out constantly

red lines are brigid, blue lines are caper, x axis is how far the target is away from caper/brigid in tiles, y axis is dps

you can adjust aspd and defense however you'd like

you can make t=20 to represent caper's s2 duration or t=25 to represent brigid's s2 duration, otherwise just make t=100000 or something to just get the average dps without caring for skill duration

[wicked minnow]

what exactly is aspd?

it's set to 600 automatically

also this is so high quality holy 😭

[willow sun]

oh oops

thats just where i saved it

[willow sun]

i made it in 20 minutes its nothing much

[wicked minnow]

do i set it to 100 for base?

[willow sun]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/vgfqw94v65
here i updated it, you can set it to whatever

[willow sun]

oh you said what is aspd, i thought you meant what the value meant
wait are you just having a brain fart? aspd is aspd

[wicked minnow]

wombo combo of brain fart and questioning why it was 600 base

[willow sun]

yeah thats fair lol

[fallow perch]

I almost figured out the Leithanien Annihilation on my own :D

too bad I leaked like, 3 enemies

[gusty depot]

Finally beat Cliff Jessica's physical dodge is really important against him, but Deepcolor and Cuora are a good substitute: https://youtu.be/CYHlgAxIiVQ?si=Grf1a9V61COMvBpo

[soft adder]

Thanks boss💯

[sly drift]

Rng based clear.

Unreal

[copper zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krkpvkKHDNI

can someone explain to me why he rmeoved one of wisadel's revenant at 1:53 and at 2:12? im just a bit confused and curious at that part and wanted to know why he did that

[tired eagle]

so that boss wont target it
as you might know if you have played the stage when boss atk with his skill there'e cross effect if that cross atk hit wisdel thatll stun her along the revenant

[copper zodiac]

ohhhh okay that makes much more sense now

[wicked minnow]

basic explanation is that it gives wisadel more time to shoot the boss more. if he kills her revs, he dashes and she might not have enough time

[copper zodiac]

got it, thank you and uhh clarification about what you said.. the part where if the boss kills her revs, he dashes.. does he only do that in his 1st phase or 2nd phase?

[tired eagle]

both

[wicked minnow]

2nd phase only. also his skill cooldown resets if he kills someone (2nd phase)

he only dashes 2nd phase

[tired eagle]

o mb then

[copper zodiac]

alright thank you guys!!

[broken wind]

YES

I FINALLY DID

CV EX 8

ajwgiuabugawbg

CM

man it was pain

[lapis hornet]

wish I could do it

[broken wind]

do you have logos s3m3

and can u borrow wisadel lvl 90 s3m3

if so, try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFl1t7GQ44c&t=73s

it worked for me

but i needed to do smth at the end

https://medal.tv/games/ldplayer/clips/jQctATycOfRrg6W97?invite=cr-MSw3d1MsMzE4MzIyODIs

this

you may need to do the same, but it depends tbh

oh i also used surtr to just stall the boss for abit too since she can tank the dash instakill almost everything ability of clip

hes no joke lol i tried so many strats and ended up winning with the small amounts of ops one

[weary quartz]

I've been struggling with ending 2 of is5. Sadly I'm missing quite a few strong operators. Usually I borrow a Walter in the start recruitment who carries me through the run. I'm having a hard time clearing those damn clones in the last boss fight, I don't have Texas alter or yato. Anyone else who could fill the role?

[vocal leaf]

agents, ines/canta, you shouldn’t need to clear more than 2 lines

but depends on how you play the stage ofc

[weary quartz]

Why cantabile? Don't have ines either 🥺

[vocal leaf]

they’re frd and have two range tiles

but you can use a ranged operator as well and remove it afterwards

for example, i like to deploy nara there, she removes 3 shadows and later takes care of the cars, for right side i use ines, but ranged operator could be used too

be careful deploying them before theresis move up to the bottom, because he will usually stop there and try to kill them with the horizontal attack

[wicked minnow]

which difficulty are you on?

also general advice would be use true damage which is better than shu which is better than pull/push

if you really need to, i dont see why borrowing kaltsit would be a bad idea. She has a neat IS mod and should do well in most stages. her s3 eats theresis

also you could always just get a better run

you can ignore the mechanics of the fight on lower diff if your run is good enough. idk about on higher diff but ye

[weary quartz]

I'm only on the second easiest diff

I do have kalstit myself

[wicked minnow]

you got the IS mod?

[weary quartz]

Not yet I believe

[wicked minnow]

it costs 3 mod blocks and that's it iirc

[weary quartz]

Thx for the advice, let me look it up

[wicked minnow]

it's really nice for her

[weary quartz]

I'm not a good player 😅 sorry for the basic questions

[wicked minnow]

oh no it's cool. it's why the help channels exist

[weary quartz]

I've unlocked the module and will try it out ❤️ Thx

[leaden linden]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/mostimahub am i cooked for rest avenue?

rest avenue annihilation

[wicked minnow]

i dont see why you'd be cooked. you have all the damage you'd ever need. you need to think a strategy through and you should be good

[hazy sinew]

you hae wisadel so no youre fine lol

[sweet steeple]

is this deployment strategy good
deploys wisaldel to kill trash mobs
wait for dp
deploys necrosis team (logos, virtuosa and nymph)
drops a few guards if necessary

[pure orchid]

Deploy wisadel
Done

[narrow pendant]

Necro team isnt real

[tired eagle]

[flat plaza]

strat for current anni?

[tired eagle]

logos to kill slugs
dollkeeper or mudrock to bait nuke
or just ah squad it

[flat plaza]

i have none of the above

[glass monolith]

I did it with path of "who need block anyways" #strategy message

[tired eagle]

i used ah and ifrit coz she's logos too

[flat plaza]

i don't have those

[flat plaza]

who ah

[tired eagle]

borrow logos and bait with defenders

[tired eagle]

abyssal hunters

[flat plaza]

i want auto

[tired eagle]

why do you want auto on last day annhilation

[flat plaza]

so i can auto it

[tired eagle]

[flat plaza]

how to auto

[tired eagle]

Show your ops

[flat plaza]

@tired eagle

[vocal leaf]

you can easily auto with that, just borrow logos

[tired eagle]

Borrow op cant save auto i think

[flat plaza]

you can't

[vocal leaf]

oh i thought he wanted auto, like play by itself, since is the last week

[outer seal]

Question, does grey alter s2 hit aerial enemies?

[vocal leaf]

nope

btw if you building greyy for is5, his main skill is s1

[outer seal]

Ohhhh bruh you read my minddd

I was wondering which to raise, but i thought his s2 hit aerials

So i was like ok now this is hard ahaha

Tyty

[tired eagle]

this might work if you want
auto replace gladiia with mountain place him a tile above
monster is going to bait nuke when he dies replace with shu or saria
replace blaze with gavial and you gotta make sure when nuke is about to hit none of the slugs should be blocked by gavial alt and monster should be last deployed

[flat plaza]

ok thanks

[tired eagle]

try to bait nuke with noir when ever you get the chance

And it's usless to do it auto when this annhilation wont even be available starting next week

[flat plaza]

ok thanks

[flat plaza]

who should last slot be

[wary shuttle]

more block 3s, or helidrop panic buttons probably

[tired eagle]

more helidrops are always good

[flat plaza]

and is that gg s2?

[tired eagle]

yep

[flat plaza]

ok thanks

[flat plaza]

ok going well

but what is the nuke?

[tired eagle]

have you played chapter 10

[flat plaza]

nope

[tired eagle]

i see there will be a line surrounding hightest block count operator after 200 kills

[flat plaza]

and i will have to deal with that for the whole run post 200 kills?

[tired eagle]

and a bar will appear on the screen aswell when the bar fills completely there will be a big aoe atk in that area

[tired eagle]

yes

[flat plaza]

damn

[tired eagle]

@flat plazadealing with the slugs is important here in thorns lane bcoz those slugs can increase blockcount making gavial/blaze be tageted by it

[flat plaza]

ok i see so i just kill them all if i see the bar close to filling

[tired eagle]

yep doesnt matter if they are alive on monster

[flat plaza]

why does my sp bar never fill when im using shu for blocks?

[tired eagle]

wdym

[flat plaza]

like i put down shu when monster die and her sp bar never full for s3

[tired eagle]

why are you using s3 use s1

[glass monolith]

Did you get elemental effect from casters/slimes while car on top right is alive?

[flat plaza]

yes

[glass monolith]

Elemental effect caused by this disables skill activation and drains SP

[maiden hound]

necrosis gives -sp

[flat plaza]

damn

[maiden hound]

it really cucks you in IS5 also

[flat plaza]

ok i did it thank you

[tired eagle]

Nice

[broken wind]

ethan

NL anni pain

[tough oracle]

Can you guys help me win 10-17 adverse before l kill myself?

The boss is straight up unkillable

And the mobs can one shot everyone

I don't wanna talk about the missile

[vocal leaf]

do you have kal or ulpi?

[glass monolith]

Boss has giga chad amount of dodge or damage reduction I forgot until you hit him with cannon

[nocturne cove]

Where is aflan?

I can't seem to ping him

[vocal leaf]

that’s why you need to bait the cannon with op and have the boss within the range, but ops like kal or schwarz ignores his dodge

[glass monolith]

Probably did most logical thing at Sundays and uninstalled discord and all other accounts because everyone will keep pinging him

[tough oracle]

Do you want me to send you the team that lm using?

[vocal leaf]

that’s the only way someone can help you

[tough oracle]

I don't remember names

[tired eagle]

[tough oracle]

So yes or no?

[vocal leaf]

yes

[tough oracle]

Okay, give me a sec

[tough oracle]

Skill 1 logos

[tired eagle]

should be easy with that squad tbh

[vocal leaf]

how much hp does shu have at that level? does she die to the cannon?

[narrow pendant]

She does

Shu needs lvl68 to survive
Without mod

Dont ask why i knkw
or somewhere around that

[nocturne cove]

Even humus can survive

[tough oracle]

Everyone is one shot except shu and mylar

[nocturne cove]

Idk the context

[vocal leaf]

borrow kal or ulpi seems better imo, they can solo the boss, while the entire squad can take care of the sarkaz/slugs

[nocturne cove]

10-17

What stage is that I forgot

[tough oracle]

Can l have a screen shot for these two operators?

[tough oracle]

I can't find ulpi skill 2

Only skill 3

[vocal leaf]

s3 works too, just don’t deploy shu i guess

[nocturne cove]

Funny enough

I used Zuo le

Idk how he survived necro

But he did

[tough oracle]

I'm gonna try again but ldk

[vocal leaf]

zuo le works too, anyone with more than 3k hp

because the cannon does 3k true damage iirc

[wary imp]

i mean, most e2 tank defender can just survive it

and they has 3 block aka the cannon will target the defender first

[vocal leaf]

but he also needs someone who can kill the boss

[tough oracle]

I died

[wary imp]

hmm
can't we just pin the boss down?

maybe not enough dmg or smth

[tough oracle]

Not enough tank

And yes damage

[wary imp]

hmm
did u tried stacking him with bunch of medical medics?

[tired eagle]

if your nymph is s2 m3 she can fear lock boss in the place with ptilopsis

[tough oracle]

I could do just one

[tough oracle]

Not 100% effective

I tried a lot of times

[tired eagle]

just did

boss second stage was little problematic but can definitely work

[tough oracle]

I don't have splash damage

[tired eagle]

what splash dmg

[tough oracle]

Or any good source of damage

[tough oracle]

I need splash damage for the other enemies

[tired eagle]

i thought you had mylnar

[tired eagle]

borrow wis

[tough oracle]

Not reliable

[tough oracle]

Too much time passes

[wary imp]

me when dont have nymph:

[somber falcon]

now that's a take

[tired eagle]

you can use thorns too my thorns died coz i did stupid bait

casul is takin it now

[tough oracle]

I guess l will try with wis

[tired eagle]

nymph less behavior

[wary imp]

for the minions? yes
the boss? hell nah

[tired eagle]

boss nymph is fear locking him and the guy have mylnar just bait nuke on boss and bully him

[wary imp]

hmm
that would be reliable
i thought wis alone no missile

[tough oracle]

I died again

Nymth can't stall for a long time

[tough oracle]

Idk what lm doing wrong

[tired eagle]

did you place thorns where i am placing him

[tough oracle]

No

[tired eagle]

he stops there for atkin thorns

[tough oracle]

Ok

[tired eagle]

so at that time inflict fear again

[glass monolith]

Glorified spear thrower the boss

[tough oracle]

I died again

Without thorns l can't stop the other enemies

[tired eagle]

is wis not enought to stop mobs?

[tough oracle]

No

Strangely

[tired eagle]

you have shu and other defender to keep mobs in wis rafge

range*

[tough oracle]

Bro if l do that no one will survive the nuke

[tired eagle]

why do you think i have noir and yato in squad

to bait the nuke

[tough oracle]

My shu remains with 80 health

[tired eagle]

that nice

[tough oracle]

Wait

I will record the run ok?

[tired eagle]

sure ig

[glass monolith]

Power of 90% damage reduction

[tired eagle]

since when mobs started to have 90% dr

[glass monolith]

Chapter 10 slimes

1500/3000 HP, 90% DR

[tired eagle]

i see

[tired eagle]

i

why is wis facing that way

[tough oracle]

To get all the tiles

More range

[tired eagle]

[vocal leaf]

nooo, another one has fallen i was doing some testing, try that if you want

mylnar was there at the beginning to bait casters

lumen was deployed after they were killed

ulpi s3 was actually better because you need to stun boss when he shows up, since he’s out of cannon range, you need some way to stop him from stacking aspd

[full terrace]

@pure orchid guess the aspd bro

[pure orchid]

Uh, 600?

That's the cap iirc

Lowk s2 mightve been funnier

[full terrace]

Yah that hit the cap, but I meant the amount of aspd I suppose to have

Believe it or not, thats 900+

370 Ingots with Golden Chalice and Chilvalric Commandments

[pure orchid]

Is that another talon run 🚬

[full terrace]

Doodle run lol I cant handle another Talon after those fails

Just got lucky with Shrivels

[pure orchid]

Wtf

How is that a doodle run

Thats crazy

I love doodle runs tho

[full terrace]

Shrivels until F5

[pure orchid]

The rng of having your fun succeed or fall flat on its face by the hand of a singular encounter, king set

It feeds the gamba in me

[full terrace]

I didnt get King set unfortunately

But I did get the King Lance from robbing F5 Cannot

[pure orchid]

Didn't need it tho lol

[full terrace]

I always rob Cannot if I got aspd Relics

With the +50%/+100% Ingot Inspirer

He often gives 150~200 Ingots

[pure orchid]

I always rob Cannot, period

[full terrace]

From that battle alone

Thats a huuggeee aspd boost

[pure orchid]

Yessir it is

Imagine if you had smth like furnace thought

[full terrace]

I always keep Furnace for Cannot fight yeah

[pure orchid]

Hell yeah

[full terrace]

And if you got the Supreme Ring and that Lance Pro thingy

That even better

[tough oracle]

THANK YOU

[vocal leaf]

[rich plover]

Need help for CV EX 8

Also I have Tin Man

[tired eagle]

Do you have a therapist medic built like puresteam

[rich plover]

I do

Well, just E1 tho

[tired eagle]

will do borrow ulpi

[rich plover]

What's the strat? Clean all the goons and stall Cliff?

[tired eagle]

yes

[tired eagle]

This should do

[full terrace]

Kick that Proviso and Santalla out and add 2 more Defenders, or 1 Defender 1 Medic. Also why are you raising 5 Stars over 4 Stars? Thats a waste of resources. 5 Stars doesnt mean they are better than 4 Stars.

[rich plover]

Good question

Huh?

[full terrace]

At Phase 2 you need a way to tank the burst shot. The best gimmick you have at the moment, is Narantuya and/or Ascalon's dodge but thats pretty RNG.

Unless you borrow a unit that can tank the burst shot

And use your own units to dps the etc stuff until Cliff is alone

[rich plover]

Who's on the top?

[flat plaza]

which anni should i do for gold certs

[tired eagle]

whichever's pending

[flat plaza]

which one is easiest

[tired eagle]

All pf them are easy tbh
The easiest should be chernobor

[flat plaza]

anni 1?

[tired eagle]

Yep

[flat plaza]

aside from the never changing anni?

[glass monolith]

Sir if you did the current anni and now asking about 400/400 anni 1... Well I guess it would be in character for you

[tired eagle]

The kazimierz one ig

[flat plaza]

i think i already did that one

[tired eagle]

With your squad you can do any annhilation

so enjoy ig

[glass monolith]

Which you didn't

[glass monolith]

*With his squad WE can do

[tired eagle]

Lol

[glass monolith]

Grand knight and flooded seashore should be more or less easy

[pure orchid]

Rest avenue is gonna suck

[flat plaza]

why none of these give golde certs

[glass monolith]

Uh.. Shit I don't recall first time rewards

I guess first annihilations gold certs were like boost to hop in game

[flat plaza]

damn i only want gold certs so i can buy mlynar

[glass monolith]

[tired eagle]

If you only need few spam rr and plans

[glass monolith]

Punished for not constantly playing game which would provide you gold certs via rerun tokens and recruitment 4*s

[full terrace]

Rest Avenue is 2nd easiest for me 🤣

Err no 3rd

[rich plover]

Who's that operator below Gavial?

[tired eagle]

Whisperain

[tiny ore]

penumbra shipyard is the easiest imo

just bring lappland

[flat plaza]

no lapp

[tiny ore]

borrow

penumbra shipyard cant be proxied anyways

iirc

[celest bluff]

What is the next Annihilation

[maiden hound]

harold event one

[pure orchid]

#game-news message

[celest bluff]

Damn

[full terrace]

Ah that looks annoying 😂

The Harold mechanic

[celest bluff]

Frostpunk

[full terrace]

@pure orchid Look at them circling like that. I'm gonna bring back my bird knight 😂

[pure orchid]

hurrah kfc

[full terrace]

Hmm it looks super easy

Most enemies spawning from that red box in the middle

Can just camp that with Logos S1 😏

And KFC bird

Kay I think I'll just lock them all inside that 3x3 with Ulpi right Gladiia left

And point every dps at them

[glass monolith]

Is that fucking Harold anni?

[full terrace]

It's Harold anni but it seems super easy

At a glance

[glass monolith]

Until Harold arrives?

[full terrace]

No Harold apparently

[glass monolith]

Fuck snowballs then

[full terrace]

Difficulty seems similar to Dolly anni back then, but without Dolly

Yah Snowballs auto-bait them no biggie

[glass monolith]

Difficulty of Dolly anni was wake up at 399/400, realize Dolly killed everyone with pink smoke explosions and you need to comeback while that shit has 6.5 loops left

[full terrace]

Yehh

Harold anni no Harold, gonna be a breeze

I mean, even with Harold I'm just gonna Wisadel him anyway

[glass monolith]

"Why everyone is dead" Rerun is still pending