strategy

[full terrace]

Medic on the blue tile for example

Then someone like Mountain on purple tile

Or you can even use Gravel for damage soak

That works too

If you are auto-baiting then your Medic heals the baiter, not Shu.

Medic up there also works

As long as you got the DP to deploy baiter before the Medic got swarmed

[elfin dome]

what dp cost is mulberry

[full terrace]

E0? 13 😂

[elfin dome]

I've been using hibiscus for the low cost

but she dies

in both spots

[full terrace]

Then save enough DP to deploy both Hibiscus and the baiter at once

Or you can drop Gravel down a bit

Just for a bit

[elfin dome]

yeah I'll see if I can make that work, I've been using gravel on the right side to save me some time since vanguard redeploy

[full terrace]

DP is tight as long as those 2 invisible enemies arent killed

Thats the thing when you dont have Ines

[elfin dome]

god I can't wait for the ines on the orienteering banner

as long as yostar doesn't fuck me

yeah I think I need to level shu, even the muelsyse copy struggles to tank while I am deploying elsewhere

[full terrace]

I'm assuming its the etc minions that breached Shu's defense? Then yeah you deploy a baiter to divide the boulders and the minions' damage.

Is your E1 Yato strong enough to kill the left invisible enemy? If she can, that'll fix your DP issue.

[elfin dome]

might be able to

[full terrace]

Good

[elfin dome]

yes yato is strong enough

[full terrace]

Good

[elfin dome]

Now I just need to get that muelsyse copy to survive and it should be ezpz

ye its my shu levels

I've been farming in the background should be able to at least e2 her

[elfin dome]

ah I was 2 enemies away and forgot to plug a single hole

it's possible

[full terrace]

Dont think plugging a hole will work there

The planks must not be destroyed from the beginning

[elfin dome]

@full terrace it is done

rotating fast redeploys and putting whisperain by shu with a meatgrinder made it possible

mountain silverash logos

[regal lotus]

does the HE 8 boss cheese with Shu not work anymore

[dapper hedge]

No

They patch it out before it's even released on global

[regal lotus]

sadge

[wary imp]

is there anything i need to note to cope with patriot?

[civic bear]

all mobs go bottom left so set your laneholder there. patriot walks slowly and circles around to eventually go top blue box. this means every enemies eventually go bottom left. patriot phase 1 is tanky af but only melee meaning just hit em from afar and using mines eventually kill it. then phase 2 he got some ranged but less tanky so you can kill it fairly easy.
lanehold wise you're good to go so just borrow a very good dps like wisadel mlynar and stuff. should be free afterwards.

[wary imp]

okie

[civic bear]

usually ppl sturggle on boss p2 cuz they kill the boss and then the boss aura just kill everyone cuz they either kill at a bad place or place their ops in bad place

just dont panic tho like

[wary imp]

-# literally me

[civic bear]

if you kill p1 early you have a lot of time to kill p2 eventually

[wary imp]

plus the jet guys tho

[wary imp]

okie

[civic bear]

like killing around here

also blaze should use s2

you dont need that many ops to handle lanes

[wary imp]

s2 got it

[civic bear]

blaze+1+medic clears every mob p sure

[pure orchid]

Hello chat, how do i clear H12-1 to H12-4 with food poisoning?

[civic bear]

phase 2 since pat is ranged the main threat is him straight up hitting your ranged ops

but this is easy fix

either 1. tank it when its not near your ranged op or
2. just deploy a new op (thats somewhat tanky hpwise) to take the blunt to buy enough time for u to kill

[wary imp]

ok

so i just need blaze lappy lisk

2 medics

amiya s3 prob

wis too

[civic bear]

wisadel p much solos pat each skill

just have her at middle top facing down then she can hit all

[wary imp]

ok

[scarlet mortar]

pov wis soloing the entire stage

[wary imp]

HOW

[scarlet mortar]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1dT421C7xY

it's wis

[wary imp]

😮

[scarlet mortar]

this stage is like nothing to her dps

the main threat to her is the mortar doing aoe and hitting her

[wary imp]

ok
imma repeat

[scarlet mortar]

pat dies like a random mook

[wary imp]

its (kinda) working

[scarlet mortar]

i mean, solo aside you can also play normally

[cedar hound]

Leak 😱

Wisadel cant carry 😭

[scarlet mortar]

whenever i see a clear with ops i have i just add 2-3 ops to it for a comfy win

no reason not to adjust the strat to make your life easier

[maiden hound]

why is bro using ceylon

[wary imp]

stat res

YESSSS

[wary imp]

that fkin guy is like da flash

wis in vid has 24 dp

my friend has 23 dp

still cant save 😭

[civic bear]

bro put 15 mines but barely none in patriots path

[pure orchid]

Barely any*

[wary imp]

plus i didnt meant to use the healer quad but i finish patriot p1 too early

= wis getting hurt

[wary imp]

the smol dudes

[wary imp]

they just boom teh mines 💀

the minions*

[civic bear]

they also die

to wisadel

offskill

hitting them twice

[tiny ore]

Theres actually a trick to beat this map

[civic bear]

also you couldve just place wisadle on the left

facing right

and kill it while its on the right

[wary imp]

dont tell me its amiya caster s3

[wary imp]

i just copy paste the cn vid

[civic bear]

and then just deploy any ground op to bait attack

[tiny ore]

yes but theres a way for patriot not to spawn any jetpack dudes after p1

[wary imp]

ik

[scarlet fulcrum]

The only tricks are mines and killgate abuse

[wary imp]

i failed tho

[civic bear]

that need you to kill pat before 18 enemies thats a bit hard

not very straight forward

[scarlet fulcrum]

With 2024 ops maybe no

[civic bear]

you need to

understand the game

to do that

🥺

[scarlet fulcrum]

I meant not hard

[wary imp]

fr

[civic bear]

thats p hard

task

[scarlet fulcrum]

☕

[tiny ore]

yea took me a few tries but its not insanely hard

[wary imp]

wis cant help that

since she would just boom everyone

[tired eagle]

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just put corne there and u chill

[civic bear]

u need to use mines

properly!

and put ur dps to kill!

thats very hard

[wary imp]

fr

[scarlet fulcrum]

1 mines enough i just used other mines for mobs

[civic bear]

yeah and 1 mines is p hard bar 🥺

like unironically

[scarlet fulcrum]

No mobs passing there wdym

[wary imp]

a win is a win

i'll take that

[civic bear]

i mean ive seen ppl when you tell to use mines then they use it right in front of patriot

or deploy at when patriot would stop

and hten it explodes earlier cuz theres mobs

😔

[wary imp]

"a few (just one lmao) of them get through"
-- lapp's fav Texas

[wary imp]

FRFR

[topaz fog]

can logos s1 help in h13-4 if i place him in middle along with (theresa s1/reed s3)

[civic bear]

just like any other dps yes ofc

if dps is what you need

[topaz fog]

even with this... team.. midguinarch wont die... i think i need more op ops.. maybe in h-13-4

[worldly stirrup]

myrtle with mod

[topaz fog]

messing up with bombs and surtr... again and again

1 time i hit with surtr.. i think 2 bombs should kept ready 1 after other so wis and surtr and ulpi can hit

[foggy grove]

why is saria behind glad

[topaz fog]

cause glad is near ulpi

[foggy grove]

i mean why not switch

[topaz fog]

well im a fool.. i see.. other placements are fine right

[topaz fog]

we cant switch once deployed

[full terrace]

How many bombs you dropped on the boss

[topaz fog]

2 but 1 early and other one after it

[full terrace]

You got 4 bombs how is that not enough

[topaz fog]

1 on top, 2nd one i used on bottom to skip 1 phase and immidiately enter boss phase. did i do wrong?

i got only 2 bombs on sanguinarch last phase

[full terrace]

4 bombs #strategy message

[topaz fog]

ah thanks lemme watch.. cause i didnt get 4 bombs on him

im too dumb... i couldnt understand. do u have a yt guide? like what bot?

[full terrace]

Bottom

[topaz fog]

these things we do after we are done with top alter immidiately right

then proceed with bottom alter with this strategy

did i get it

[full terrace]

You basically do everything until you reach 74/75 without destroying the bottom right altar

After that, you summon a bomb at top, but dont push it right away. You with me so far?

Altar will recharge because you just summoned a bomb.

When it's half charged, now you push the bomb to destroy the bottom right altar and the boss will enter phase 2.

The altar will be fully charged the moment the boss enters phase 2 this way. Now you summon the top bomb again

Still with me so far?

[nocturne cove]

lucilla usage

wow

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats ceylon with different artist

[full terrace]

Congrats

[pure orchid]

What a messy fucking fight

[full terrace]

Where is your Shu 😂

[pure orchid]

She said she wanna become the leader of an infected knight club in kazimierz

now she's stuck at e1 lvl 1 forever

[full terrace]

Time to raise her 🤣

Shu and Ulpian actually

[pure orchid]

Nah

Whats ulpi doing to damazti

[full terrace]

Ulpi crushes Damazti

[pure orchid]

Crusher crushing enemies? Wow

Cant wait to be rid of this annoying ahh chapter

[full terrace]

Yah. Damazti does Corrosion damage 24/7 to reduce operator's defense, Ulpi has 0 to begin with so he basically ignores that mechanic completely.

And he hits hard

[pure orchid]

I can also hit hard, lemme show you

[smoky halo]

i will hit u harder

[pure orchid]

Id like to see u try babygurl

Damazti please vanquish me

[smoky halo]

later tonight

[pure orchid]

Okay that is a lot of trash early on

can we not

[full terrace]

H12-4?

[pure orchid]

Yes

Oh wow wait i wanna use chicken bird

[full terrace]

Raise Ulpian 😭
I need to convert you to Ulpian chuch.

[pure orchid]

He's already maxed i just dont like using him

[full terrace]

Speaking of H12-4, I ran a simulation for someone using Ulpian not long ago #strategy message

[pure orchid]

i dont even know why i pulled him

[full terrace]

Use him!

[pure orchid]

Wait im doing chicken bird

[full terrace]

Ulpi > Exe 100/100

Throw away chicken bird

Ulpi all the way

[pure orchid]

NO

[full terrace]

Oh that chicken bird

I thought you meant Flametail

[pure orchid]

Its a good bird cackaw

[full terrace]

She is my waifu

Back then

[pure orchid]

I need her skin

Im sad

Where the fuck are the good civilians

i want my dp

[worthy mason]

is 12-20 adverse hard? i got stuck on 12-19 and only got to finishing it with texalt s3

i dont think i even wanna touch H12 stages man

[glass monolith]

Chapter 12 boss is not as straightforward bruteforce as our average boss

[pure orchid]

Okay why did they make it so that i need 3 block up top

[worthy mason]

i remember her phase2 transition kills my ranged ops, idk how

[pure orchid]

why 3 civilian at once with 1 spy

[full terrace]

Depends on your operators but it shouldnt be that hard. Read this if you are struggling #strategy message

[pure orchid]

Its so hard im crying

jk

Its just annoying at parts

"Oh i suddenly need 3 block here now, why didnt they tell me that earlier"

[full terrace]

Must be the 3rd civilian on the top lane

[pure orchid]

Ulpi is like im gonna beat your ass into submission, its funny

[worthy mason]

Probs the squad im gonna use

I got few other powerful ones, but dont feel like using them unless I struggle for a whole day

[pure orchid]

Oh and sadly im not gonna use fire chicken anymore, not enough dp to even set her up

[glass monolith]

He has 1 body in phase 1, in phase 1 50%-ish it becomes 2, in phase 2 50% HP he kills latest operator (focusing on ones who has no allies in 8 tiles around first) to summon third body. H makes him summon 2 bodies in phase 1.
He has skill which make all bodies do ranged attack for like 800 damage + elemental on same target. Phase 2 adds global attack which cause splash on each ally and summon drone which does elemental damage above them. This global attack abused in many low op clears because while boss spend 8 seconds to use it he can't activate phase 2 50% effect. Did i mention that piece of shit gains invulnerability when summoning bodies?
Bodies share HP but gain damage reduction based on amount of bodies.

[worthy mason]

there will be no enemies entering through the supply boxes yes? on normal its only a spy and i think 3rd damazti but it aint a problem

[glass monolith]

12-20 AE send like 4 enemies to kill left boxes at end or so

[pure orchid]

Goldenglow targeted the box and i died of cringe smh

[glass monolith]

Yea i think box taunts

[pure orchid]

A heavyshooter like Typhon would be perfect right about now

Okay fuck it, im going with ray

Lets see how damazti likes Ray + Wis

[glass monolith]

F entire chapter 12 in general, i hate when chapter/event mechanic is instead making new challenge just put cap on your SP/DP and says "get F'd"

[pure orchid]

Yup

its just soft unit ban, pretty boring

[glass monolith]

Even unit ban is easier to tolerate because other archetypes don't care

[pure orchid]

Yeesh everyone is hard at work, lets see how it goes

Holy shit damazti tried to claim Ulpi but i just used s3 and they took nothing

[full terrace]

The power of Ulpi

Can your Exe do that? 🤣

Come to the church of Ulpi

[pure orchid]

We're raking in the W boys

[full terrace]

Congrats I guess

[pure orchid]

Im just waiting on the last trilby asher to move into wis range

[glass monolith]

Rarity abuse of today
Rarity abuse of year ago: #strategy message

[full terrace]

I forgot they exist with Wis camping their spawn.

[pure orchid]

This looks impressive and sad at the same time

[full terrace]

🤣

[pure orchid]

I heard ch13 is easy af

[glass monolith]

Compared to chapter 12 bullshit yes

[pure orchid]

Bet time to eat

[full terrace]

Chapter 13 is easy

The other day when I wanted to find bombs timing, I went with my Standard squad.

1 practice plan mission clear

[glass monolith]

Managed to no 6* up to H13-4 on it

[pure orchid]

Redeploy shenanigans go hard

[cinder axle]

Oh yeah Chapter 13 you can just kinda logos S1 it now

[pure orchid]

And ascalon

Its tough

[cinder axle]

And ignore the amber's completely

Ascalon is probably pretty good there hmm..

[pure orchid]

Dot make bomb go wee

[full terrace]

Monthly reset lets goooo

[pure orchid]

oh right

[topaz fog]

and i cant...

[topaz fog]

this is correct. and ill do it again and this time ill do it. i promise 🔥

my god. holding till 74/75 is no joke...

but ill try

this is what i need to do. i see

i was summoning the last phase way too early

😅😅

[pure orchid]

what the fuck

[glass monolith]

Got executed lol lmao

[pure orchid]

Okay i used the bombs now

Oh the next stage only has 2 altars? Im gonna piss myself with how easy this looks

[full terrace]

Wait what I heard Goldenglow said "dokutah, akemashite omedeto"

[pure orchid]

Aye that's happy new year

[full terrace]

I went back to search for it

[pure orchid]

when did she say it

[full terrace]

When I logged in

I was heading to HE-7 right away to farm Gels

But then I listened closely

And was like hold on a sec!

[pure orchid]

Booo why they leave my (one of my) daughter(s) untranslated

[full terrace]

Did she just say "akemashite omedeto" to me

And went to check her voice bank

[pure orchid]

Sweet child she is

I checked amiya's too

Im satisfied

Oy they're throwing millions of trash in h13-4 again

I hate trash

[full terrace]

Ah ya every operator wishes you a happy new year

[true stag]

for chapter 13 just use logos s1

[full terrace]

I just logged in to my main account and Texas said the same

[pure orchid]

How is logos s1, which requires setup, help me with the trash it spawns at the start of the stage lol

[true stag]

else you need something else that do big number

logos s1 just execute anything below a certain hp threshold

[pure orchid]

Tell me something i dont know

[true stag]

or just wait till the spike to move to a place where it doesn't get revive by altar

[full terrace]

Ooo~ Amiya's New Year message is so cute

[true stag]

that is usually the issue where it gets revived time and again

[pure orchid]

I think she has 3 messages

given she has 3 versions

[full terrace]

Reaalllyyy

[pure orchid]

I only checked the medic one and i was like yeah im good

[full terrace]

😂

[pure orchid]

Not sure, its just my conjecture

[topaz fog]

may i know who is your pfp?

[full terrace]

Terakomari Gandesblood

[topaz fog]

wasnt she blonde..

[full terrace]

Thats her vampire form

[topaz fog]

basically logos's mom..

[narrow pendant]

Banshees arent vampires

What are u yapping about

[pure orchid]

Blatantly incorrect things

[elfin dome]

I may need some help on ex 3 and ex7 cm, I might be able to do ex7 cm with a ling and an Ines I'm borrowing but not sure yet

Two more left until medal set done at least

[civic bear]

show squad

[pure orchid]

yay

Ulpi had a redeploy timer of 120 seconds somehow, but yet again somehow he also managed to come back in time to clean slugs bottom left

[elfin dome]

Okay ex 7 cm done

[civic bear]

Ex3 left?

And ex7 trimmed medal I assume?

just do normal opener myrtle ines kill dogs then eventually build up the shu+ling dragon blockingn lanes

quite literally just deploy 4 units at most left side

that alone would clear

[full terrace]

Asca first Asca first.

Also you dont need any S1 Logos when you have all the broken ops in the world.

Aint no pressure.

[pure orchid]

Nice asca

I put mine in a similar spot

[elfin dome]

Yessir I actually just got the set, put Myrtle, ash and Shu down to help since Walter was slightly too low level

[civic bear]

so are you still missing smth now?

[pure orchid]

Missing you maybe

[nocturne cove]

New year same qyuri

Happy new year everyone

[elfin dome]

No I smashed my brain against a wall and figured out a strat, I was up til like 6am yesterday trying to do these

[civic bear]

ex3 just puts a somewhat tanky units at 1st or 2nd column available on the left
something like
xo
ox
ox
xo
op can either be in x or o's doesnt matter too much really

[elfin dome]

Full set collected

[nocturne cove]

Oh wait

Fuck

[civic bear]

oh aight trimmed done too i assume?

[nocturne cove]

Did the event end?

[elfin dome]

Exactly what I figured out worked

[nocturne cove]

Please don't say yes

[elfin dome]

Yessir got that before challenge mode

[civic bear]

goodjob

[pure orchid]

Happy new year nas

I was thinking of wishing everyone happy new year here but i figured the timezones will just fuck

So i didnt bother

[nocturne cove]

Oh lol

We should definitely make a gc

[pure orchid]

Oh and ofc ill never change

[nocturne cove]

😭

[full terrace]

There, pay attention to the bombs timing. You got 4 bombs there

[pure orchid]

A line of death, kowaii...

[full terrace]

I just wanna showcase the bombs timing, didnt bother to min/max ops 😅

[pure orchid]

Thats pretty smart bomb usage now that i think of it

However i just used it once and didnt bother tryna reuse after

I dont even know how the boss works aside from he hates bombs

[full terrace]

And thats all that matters: he hates bombs 🤣

That's Wisadel's bombs btw, according to the lore anyway.

Hoederer's suggestion.

[pure orchid]

Hehe

I have 3 bomb stations then

One of them being actual wis

[full terrace]

🤣

[soft topaz]

Anyone can help me?

[opaque bridge]

do I just get an invis reveal and I'm fine here...?

[full terrace]

Which stage is that? I dont remember there was anything special going on

@pure orchid ooo Surtr my girl why are your text not translated 😭

I just listened to what she said in japanese

She talked about her memories and asked you out for a walk.

[rich plover]

Got any tips for HE-3?

[opaque bridge]

BI-EX-8

[full terrace]

Lemme check brb

[civic bear]

Enemy pathing tells you everything you need to know. just setup at the crossroads. theres a boss in this stage at bottom right square, it has arts shield increasing its defense so you want to deal arts damage until the shield is gone then you can use phys. bursting it is ideal.
also spread your units and put tanky ones closer to the left red box so it baits a lot of the drones. (penance is good here just close to red box). theres the 3 blocks bullies that just circle around you will slowly kill it with just wisadel mlynar anyway so not a worry

[opaque bridge]

patch the holes on the bottom and keep the civilian/resident on the right tower

[cyan gorge]

I only remember that stage cause I did bird only

[full terrace]

Ah that Degen stage.

I remember using SilverAsh for reveal yeah

Nowadays we got Ines

@opaque bridge Wisadel cannot be caged by Degen, use her.

Camouflaged unit cannot be caged by Degen.

[opaque bridge]

ight ill just borrow an ines...

[full terrace]

You just need an anti-stealth unit

Ines best yeah

[glass monolith]

[brittle mesa]

Could anyone help me with Lungmen outskirts annihilation? I have this squad but failed multiple times to get all 400 kills.

[next wigeon]

Did you try Ecko's guide?

Where's your E2 5★?

[astral cosmos]

and where's the 6*

[brittle mesa]

I have been using this guide https://youtu.be/hjGIhvrR0II?si=Rm3x-k4Iv5M_O54u

[civic bear]

where exactly you struggling at

[full terrace]

Rope bottom right you are on the right track. Where is your E2L80 Lappland?

[civic bear]

where is your e2 op even

[brittle mesa]

And why everyone cries “Where’s 6*?”
There’s only bad doctors, not bad operators

[astral cosmos]

wow we're back in 2020

[civic bear]

i mean

do you wnna make it easy or

[next wigeon]

What????

[spark sinew]

self burns are rare

[brittle mesa]

Thing is, I don’t want to use recourses unnecessarily to 6th star operators

[next wigeon]

If you don't use the 6★ then where is the E2 5★?

[civic bear]

we're not asking u about 6* at all

just 5*

cuz yknow. everyone gets free e2 5*

at bare min

[astral cosmos]

ohhhh so you want to suffer, that makes sense tbh, i can understand
but yeah free e2 ticket

[next wigeon]

You can literally Wis'adel abuse that stage

[civic bear]

he wants to farm

[next wigeon]

If you wanna borrow

[civic bear]

this is anni

[next wigeon]

Oh

[civic bear]

no borrow

[next wigeon]

Not first clear then

Where 5★ at then

[spark sinew]

i feel like you can just ticket anni1 instead

[civic bear]

i mean he can clear anni 2 with that

[spark sinew]

especially since you will be able to do anni2 and 3 anyway with borrowa

so you don't need too many runs

[civic bear]

this is #strategy not help

🙂

so just help them with their strat

[spark sinew]

strategy on how to efficiently clear annis, yes!

[next wigeon]

No this is #help-flirt

[glass monolith]

Kill everything

[next wigeon]

They can also use Kroos-alt

She's readily available

[astral cosmos]

either way, where specifically are you struggling here?

[civic bear]

anyways where exactly are you struggling at. like whats the discrepency from the video guide

[brittle mesa]

Maybe I’ll replace rope with E1 Cliffheart and Melantha with Lappland.

[next wigeon]

You can do that

[astral cosmos]

cliffheart won't do better than rope here though

[next wigeon]

You don't necessarily need to follow the guide 1 on 1

[civic bear]

cliff and rope doesnt really make much diff since the puller doesnt interact with the rest of the map

[next wigeon]

Lappland is a much better option than Melantha tho

Since Arts dmg ya

She also hits 2 on Skill 2

[full terrace]

Lappland can hit the drones. There are quite a few of drones in that anni.

[spark sinew]

copying guide 1:1 and raising shit ops for that, but not wanting "unnecessarily investing into 6*"

🫡

[civic bear]

bro

he just want to not use 6*

thats all

[brittle mesa]

There’s few 6th star.

[astral cosmos]

izok
long as you know you're handicapping yourself by doing so, u do whatever you want

[full terrace]

Shaw I dont think there is a use case for Shaw, you can take her out.

[civic bear]

iirc in this one

shaw push bottom caster

to the hole

quite key tbf

makes short work of em

[full terrace]

Didnt rope pull everything to the hole there?

[civic bear]

and caster are the bane of low levels

bottom left

[astral cosmos]

no the casters coming from bottom left at the end

[next wigeon]

Shaw is used in Kyo's Guide

[civic bear]

if theres anyone to take out its one of the sniper

[full terrace]

Well okay I guess

[civic bear]

see the guide doesnt even use 2nd marksman until late

[next wigeon]

She's used early on the right then retreated to handle casters on the left

[next wigeon]

They can get Krooster ye

If they lacking on Air

[full terrace]

Honestly having Lappland there would make things so much easier

[next wigeon]

It would

[full terrace]

My alt did this with no Shaw and excessive snipers

Just Lappland

[next wigeon]

Wao you have an Alt

[next wigeon]

Tbh it's just insurance

You can't expect new-ish people to have a tactician's mind

Why else was Kyo revered for so long

Alongside the other guide makers

[full terrace]

It's not about that. Everyone got E2 vouchers nowadays, things got simplified a lot, like a lot ever since. It seems like a self-imposed restriction to me if anything.

[civic bear]

bro just want to beat it like everyone else did back in the days

[full terrace]

😅

[next wigeon]

[next wigeon]

Even with that some people still can't seem to function

I remember Nick had to do Caveman Language just to help a guy for Ch 10

[brittle mesa]

How good idea is to switch Lava with Greyy?

[next wigeon]

They had several E2s and still couldn't do it

[next wigeon]

Bad

Greyy is inferior

[civic bear]

unless ur greyy is higher in level no point to

[full terrace]

"Man, Lava sucks" - TheAncool, 2024.

[civic bear]

yeah cuz st caster is better

[next wigeon]

If it was Gitano I'd give consideration

[full terrace]

Idk about Gitano either 🤣

[next wigeon]

Im probably just biased because I used her alot

[brittle mesa]

What you think about these medics?

[civic bear]

durin is same dps as offskill lava

obv the diff is one st the other aoe

[full terrace]

Medics should be fine

[civic bear]

but durin is also e0 so like 😭

[full terrace]

You lack some dps if anything.

Kroos, Lava, Melantha your main dps thats a bit rough

Doable but rough

[next wigeon]

Found the dumb person that couldn't function even with a full roster of E2s

It was Suraj that helped them with 9-10

#strategy message

Guy said it was still too difficult

[full terrace]

Some people do be negative, but we help them regardless over here.

Heck, we had the brute force enjoyer complaining about everything and still helped him.

[brittle mesa]

Is there any snipers that you might like?

[full terrace]

Not "we might like" but rather which ones get things done.

Kroos is immediately useful in your case

[next wigeon]

Fair enough

Oh that was chaotic

[full terrace]

Idk about investing in Exu and Pozy nowadays, guess you can stick with Kroos.

[civic bear]

pozy is still good

[next wigeon]

They can get Krooster

[civic bear]

i mean

[next wigeon]

Pozy just suffers from Map Limitations

[civic bear]

will still carry asses

better than non 6*

[next wigeon]

Her dmg is still passable in this day and age

[civic bear]

its like passing up a gun

[next wigeon]

Issue is where to place the typewriter

[civic bear]

just cuz the game now has a uc130

anywhere

[next wigeon]

You sure you don't mean an Anti-Material Rifle

[civic bear]

like

lets see

ch8 pretty good. kills tal and h8 drones without a lot of effort (typewriter doesnt get debuffed)

ch9 can pillar fairly easy

ch10 dodge ignore

[next wigeon]

Ch 11 she can kill from a Distance
Ch 12 she's within the Dp Limit

[civic bear]

shes just good throughout still

not the best but you play with what you have

[next wigeon]

Just because she's fallen off people treat her like she's Crownslayer

[civic bear]

fr

[next wigeon]

Its better than wtf Exu has been doing

[civic bear]

pozy is still hitting 2k dph reliably

[next wigeon]

Ya

The Wis'adel Brainrot has infiltrated deep

[full terrace]

@brittle mesa anyway if you are following kyostin's guide, play like how the guide tells you to, and then when something goes wrong, come and ask here we'll help.

[next wigeon]

Ye

[sweet marlin]

i'm trying to beat he-6 on auto with this squad but the civilians die at the end, any suggestion?

[full terrace]

Lemme check HE-6 brb

[topaz fog]

thanks for this

cleared

[civic bear]

take a screenshot of ur setup

[sweet marlin]

more or less i reach this point but civilians die shortly

[full terrace]

No problem and congrats

[topaz fog]

I have cleared every h stage.... officially....

now im bored

[civic bear]

did you use the tower thing?

ur supposed to activate them to lower their panic so they get panic less often thus lose less hp

[full terrace]

So laneholding is not your issue okay

[sweet marlin]

i tried but i lack dp

things die slowly

[full terrace]

You need to keep one of the statues intact, and then keep using it to reduce the panic level

[civic bear]

they didnt get hit by the boulder too did they

[full terrace]

Thats basically it. There will be some helidrop enemies trying to destroy the statues.

Counter helidrop with your own to assassinate them.

[civic bear]

but yeah you just want to keep statues up even if you have 0 dp

[sweet marlin]

yeah i tried to kill them with red but she aint doint dmg

[civic bear]

because them reaching statue still lower their panic

[full terrace]

Red not nut dmg yes

Even Melantha does better

[civic bear]

you can red them but

[full terrace]

Any good guard can be helidropped

[civic bear]

is she blocking?

those guys does ranged atk afterall

and prios the statue

[sweet marlin]

ok thanks i'll try to keep one statue alive

[full terrace]

Try bottom right one

[next wigeon]

Tbf I used Flamebringer on my first time

[full terrace]

If you do the bottom right one, then you can ignore the top left one in the beginning

That buys you time for deployment

[opaque aspen]

Man lee really is something

Is there any op that solos this stage? I'm thinking ascalon but she doesnt have the self sustain

[next wigeon]

Reedic me thinks? Mudmud?

[opaque aspen]

Reedic maybe actually, we need someone that does aoe, has self sustain, can tank or kill the seeds and can actually hit fast enough or stall hard enough that the 40+ witherers don't just overwhealm them

[civic bear]

mudrock

[opaque aspen]

Mudrock could work if she doesnt die from all the casters plus seeds coming at once, but saria does so idk why she wouldnt

[civic bear]

reed cant

runs out of steam

[opaque aspen]

Too bad

[next wigeon]

Well rip

[opaque aspen]

Oh wait actually exalter too

Or he might do it

[civic bear]

mud, wisadel

[next wigeon]

Hmm

Zuo Le S3 maybe?

[opaque aspen]

Wis can't kill that many coming in in a continuous flow

... that's smart af but he needs to get hit early... ffs i want to try now hold on xd

[civic bear]

wisadel can

she can solo adverse even

[next wigeon]

Well off they go

[opaque aspen]

Oh aight then

My zuo dies on second wave of seeds

WAIT I'M DUMB WE HAVE SHIELDS

[next wigeon]

Ya

[opaque aspen]

Ok zuo can't do it

There's like 20 that come in one go and zuo's s3 hits 7 at once

At most i can kill 14 but there's a whole group that leaks at once

I also think mountain can't do it since the shields are clearly not enough to tank the seeds by themselves. Hell zuo barely goes through alive but that's exactly what he likes

[scarlet mortar]

that mzk S1 clear though

chad

[opaque aspen]

Damn not even a mudrock run?

[civic bear]

mud can

[opaque aspen]

Remind me what does adverse add in here?

[scarlet mortar]

mspd

and hp

[opaque aspen]

Hp aint really an issue

[civic bear]

+mags3 nm

[opaque aspen]

Most skills just outright annihilate every enemy in range so

[civic bear]

mspd is a problem

[opaque aspen]

Yeah

[scarlet mortar]

it is an issue when mzk S1 and mud doesn't cycle

mspd and hp result in the same bottleneck

[opaque aspen]

Wait ulpianus demolishes this stage now that i think about it

Bro gets free regen out of every enemy

[scarlet mortar]

somehow nobody went back to update the record with him

[opaque aspen]

Also huge hp pool means very good at tanking arts. The issue is if he can tank the waves of seeds inbetween tho

But like cmon there's no way they deal 8k+ damage

Especially when bro goes back to full health the second the witherers get to him

[civic bear]

uhh

because

[sweet marlin]

nice it worked thanks! i had to use steward on the right to kill the statue guy

[civic bear]

the drone hits like

[opaque aspen]

How much do they really do?

[civic bear]

750 base stat

[opaque aspen]

And the red ones?

[civic bear]

1250

[opaque aspen]

... ouch

[civic bear]

it hurts

[celest bluff]

Should I be bothered making farm for HE-8?

[opaque aspen]

How much hp can ulpi get at e2l90?

[civic bear]

8.5k

[celest bluff]

I need the mats but not immediately

[opaque aspen]

K so 8.5k, 9.5 with the shield. Lemme count how many seeds appear at most in one wave

[civic bear]

also he leaks

[scarlet mortar]

surely ulpi gladiia duo

clueless

[civic bear]

he does solo with

andreana

just for buff

[scarlet mortar]

it's not on arkrec huhge

[civic bear]

its the final wave

he get overwhelmed

prob cuz NM

[scarlet mortar]

AE when smh

[opaque aspen]

Ulpi gets overwhelmed? Doesnt he have true aoe tho?

[civic bear]

no

[scarlet mortar]

2 targets lmao

[opaque aspen]

Ooh too bad

[civic bear]

3 on s2

[scarlet mortar]

^

[opaque aspen]

HOLD ON WTF

How does an aoe so large only hit 3 targets xd

[civic bear]

its aoe guard

[scarlet mortar]

S2 gives him +1 block

[opaque aspen]

No i meant his skill

[scarlet mortar]

he attacks equal to block count

[civic bear]

youre thinking the s3 anchor slam

[scarlet mortar]

S3 is the aoe one

[civic bear]

which yes is true aoe

[opaque aspen]

Ye

[civic bear]

but the attack isnt

[opaque aspen]

It's single target after that?

[scarlet mortar]

2 targets as normal

[civic bear]

no, up to block count

[scarlet mortar]

it's just the crusher trait

[opaque aspen]

Oh aight, and i'm guessing he cant just hit everyone at once either

[civic bear]

ye

well s3 doesnt work cuz he dies

[opaque aspen]

Welp then it's kinda hopeless then

[civic bear]

i mean

[opaque aspen]

Hoerderer got any more luck?

[civic bear]

if exalter

has to use s2

[opaque aspen]

Yeah

[civic bear]

that tells you something 😂

[opaque aspen]

Thing is is there really a better combo for duos on that stage than healing defender and lee tho?

It's both a 2 op clear and an afk one at that

(Takes 20 minutes to finish but shush we aint making instant noodles)

[civic bear]

i mean

op that solod nm +1

[opaque aspen]

What's the lowest rarity duo you can do that duos this stage tho?

Probly something like stroke pusher+spot or something

[civic bear]

lee+hibi/ansel

[opaque aspen]

I'm just concerned about him tanking the seeds but that could work with the shields

Hell it'll take so long you can actually use 2 shields

[full terrace]

Regen not enough to keep up with the damage unless Gladiia. If you can find the timing to sit on the poison mist while not letting the casters and the other normal enemies hit him that much then maybe. Drones as long as they come in waves you can bait them with S3 by throwing Anchor, then deactivate his skill immediately.

[opaque aspen]

We've already established he just can't keep up with last wave so it's basically hopeless. Reduced to duos only

But actually lemme try to lowest rarity that stage in duo

Ok lee hibiscus works 100%, even with hibiscus at e1l0

Forgot lee had like 650 defense on s3 now the question is can we use lancet to heal the fcker

Wait nvm the casters would kill her

[odd olive]

Highmores back and it wants revenge, this is my first time doing it with wis, where should i place everyone?

[full terrace]

Wisadel to the left or right of your blue box, facing up. She will demolish that jellyfish 100%. When jellyfish is no longer a threat, Krooster on that mid tile facing right to shoot down stingrays. Eyjaberry position her in a way that would heal Krooster.

Jessi with Ansel can handle left

[odd olive]

Got it! I pop s3 wis on highmore right?

[full terrace]

Yeh

Saria deploy her somewhere in the right

To auto-bait some attacks away from Krooster

[odd olive]

Tysm!

[full terrace]

Duo there are quite a few combo that can achieve that. Reed with a Defender for example is one.

I used Beagle but I think Noir Corne works, she just needs someone to block for her.

[scarlet mortar]

lee has dodge if they're attacking from outside his 3x3 range

and his def on S3 is pretty respectable

he'll be fine

[opaque aspen]

Yeah noticed that. I wonder if we can find a way for lancet to heal him. Otherwise him and spot, or any 3 star healer works perfectly. The only issue is them taking either the wither damage constantly or needing to survive the passing of 2 casters simultaneously

[fallen terrace]

Whos goood to use for HE EX 8 challenge? Heres my team I cant bruteforce it.

[stable pewter]

Which operator can I use to stall Mandragora during her first phase?

[maiden hound]

I use Logos S2 + Utage bait

should be able to clear her phase1 before the pillars

[civic bear]

Medic

Raw heals

[cyan gorge]

Literally anyone with more than 10 res + good medics

I just one cycle with NTRK s3 tho

[fallen terrace]

Finished it thnx

[civic bear]

was for the other guy but sure ig 😂

[nocturne cove]

Why stall mand

😭

[civic bear]

technically its one of the most efficient solution

mand dps are p low

e0 beats 9-19 by just stalling p1 and then pillars p2

[tidal sedge]

The laser has an annoying and severe aspd debuff. You have to time dps skill and pillar drop to get a dps strat to work. So it's more intuitive to just stall by coming up with a formation that can just soak Mandra.

Though today there's stronger long range dps in comparison to back then.

[civic bear]

uses said low range dps

and then they die from p2 pillar target

😔

[tidal sedge]

Yeah that's another thing. Phase 2 has further positioning restrictions.

[split cloak]

What's ntrk total dmg?

[topaz fog]

why is it stuck at 37

[split cloak]

Kill those maggots

[scarlet fulcrum]

Crystal from armor dude is killgate

[topaz fog]

i destroyed the crystal from armour dude... still its spawning

from alter

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its not die then

[split cloak]

Kill faster

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its shown clearly from ur pic

[topaz fog]

how? texas, yato is slow..

and every other unit is out of range

[split cloak]

Retreat bruh

[scarlet fulcrum]

They will move iirc, just kill the crystal during that time

[topaz fog]

fk. im destryoing the alter.... and summoning the last phase

[scarlet fulcrum]

gl

[split cloak]

You also have wis

[topaz fog]

tbh better than retreating tbh

[topaz fog]

hm

[scarlet fulcrum]

If u can handle boss and 2nd wave together sure, most ppl prefer trigger killgate first tho

[topaz fog]

yeah... but im a little noob... wish me luck

[scarlet fulcrum]

Hopefully

Its 75 enemies count iirc

[topaz fog]

man... i hate this game.. frfr..

i messed up. its impossible now

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh yea the cargo DR cleanse only lasted 10s for each at lv1 sanguin, u better time it properly

[civic bear]

why is

ng top

and reed there

[scarlet fulcrum]

NG better for boss yea

[split cloak]

I mean, she can be middle and face top

[scarlet fulcrum]

Also weird saria placement

[civic bear]

just move this thats all

[scarlet fulcrum]

Uppian+NG+saria with glad support. U can sleep

[topaz fog]

how on top..... i will handle..

[civic bear]

wdym how on top

ulpi has gladiia he dont need ng healing his ass

[topaz fog]

oh yeah... thats true

[civic bear]

its the same setup aside from that

but ng now gets to heal bottom

[topaz fog]

but on top. slug is being killed by reedalter

[scarlet fulcrum]

Maybe his glad modless, if i remember right

[civic bear]

do you not see

[topaz fog]

that is compromise

[civic bear]

what is

reed range there

[topaz fog]

mod 2..

[civic bear]

mod2 more than enough

[scarlet fulcrum]

Notbad

[topaz fog]

she was hitting on top too

[civic bear]

brother

[scarlet fulcrum]

U only need to time cargo relay properly

[civic bear]

she literally has same range

[topaz fog]

holding 75 enemies is tough. that armour dude skeleton always f me off

[split cloak]

Chong and ulpi more than enough. You have wis too

[topaz fog]

nothing can kill him

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats why u trigger killgate first b4 destroying altar

[topaz fog]

whats kill gate

[split cloak]

You were explained that a while ago sir

[scarlet fulcrum]

Bottom right armor dude "crystal"

Its called bloodborn or smt

[topaz fog]

i do that only... i kill him then destroy bottom alter

[civic bear]

first of kill all crystal that doesnt get revived anymore which you already shown you did

[topaz fog]

thats not prob

[civic bear]

and then kill the ones that revives bottom

or like atleast

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats ur mistake, dont destroy altar

[civic bear]

let them revive first

the killgate starts as long as theres no more enemy

[topaz fog]

Ancool told not to kill the bottom one but im stuck at 37. they keep spawning from bottom

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just kill all mobs on 37

Along with bloodborn

[civic bear]

being stuck at 37 is normal

the next thing to do

[topaz fog]

except sheild dude right

[civic bear]

is to kill those

crystal thing

[scarlet fulcrum]

All

[civic bear]

ur screenshot here

[topaz fog]

i killed but they keep reviving

[topaz fog]

my wis killed but they revive

[civic bear]

its cuz they arent dead at the same time

[scarlet fulcrum]

They absorbed by altar, u not killed em if revive

[topaz fog]

how will i do that.. i need eyjafjalla ig... on that phase

[split cloak]

You kill them fast before altar revives them

[topaz fog]

can i use ejya s3 on bottom for it

[remote perch]

You can't killing the crystal fast enough

Do you not have Logos, Virt or hell even Ifrit?

[topaz fog]

yes ifrit. but she shoots front tile

[civic bear]

WAIT

[topaz fog]

killgate is on right side

[split cloak]

My guy does not have logos and wis

[civic bear]

you didnt even kill all the crystal either

top one

its stillthere

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just kill one by one if needed, u have no patience thats it

[civic bear]

bottom one you can just get lucky eventually

when they respawn the thingy

[topaz fog]

whaaaaaaa........ nah

[civic bear]

theyre technically deleted for 1frames

so if boss is not yet respawned on p1 (which there will be short delay of)

and the tower thing activates

[topaz fog]

man... its so tough

[civic bear]

the game recognize it as 0 enemies

[topaz fog]

got it gguys.... im using eyja this time.

[civic bear]

its just that top crystal

just do the same thing

[scarlet fulcrum]

Dude destroyed altar after annoyed by crystal, i cant tbh

[civic bear]

you only missed that crystal above

it shouldve work eventually

[remote perch]

Are you doing the kill all mobs before p2 boss strat?

if so then why aren't you redeploying Ulpian and Chong

[topaz fog]

that above one

that crystal

cause problem

as ancool told

[near folio]

Im still on 13-8

[topaz fog]

this stage is brainfk

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just kill all on sight

The crystal

[near folio]

H12-4 harder tho?

[remote perch]

Yes, so why are they still there? Boss doesn't go up
its just straight down

[near folio]

If you beat H12, H13 should be very doable

[topaz fog]

nah bruh.. i bruteforced it. here u need timing and dps

and play by rules

[split cloak]

Can always true dmg to finish off dps phase

[civic bear]

i mean

yo could brute forced it

you just didnt try

[topaz fog]

sideeffects of wisadel

[civic bear]

we literally told you like

bunch of different way to brute force it

😭

[near folio]

Isnt the brute force just Ulpian S2 + gladiia on the boss?

From what ive seen on yt

[civic bear]

gladiia NG and ulpian literally stalls the boss yes

top side leaking?

just slam

chongyue

and 2 defenders

wisadel reed deals with the rest

[topaz fog]

oh this is what i needed

[civic bear]

like this

now chongyue hits both lanes ez

still missing dmg? thats what texalt and yato is for

this as brainded as it goes

[topaz fog]

got it

ill try. it need some timing. plus ines and ely can generate some dp ig quickly for all this to work

lets see

[near folio]

So many ops I need to build for victoriaknights

What is most important rn? Quercus E2? Stainless E2? Or Jessicat S2M3?

[civic bear]

jessicat

[split cloak]

Jessicat mastery ig

[civic bear]

horn

reed

[near folio]

I got Horn S2 done

[topaz fog]

suzuran can help in this stage too for good timing. but e2 is so expensive

[near folio]

Is her S2 mainly used for anti-air?

Or is used when there is better tile coverage than S3?

[split cloak]

I use her s2 as fast cycle laneholding but it's probably wrong

[near folio]

I see

Should probably E2 Puzzle as well

Could be good burst dp gen with bagpipe

[split cloak]

You have stainless. You could do a funny puzzle s1 on stainless turret

[near folio]

Now that I think about it stainless has some good combos on that team

Blaze + Stainless could be fun

[worthy mason]

Why he going there

[split cloak]

Boss pathing?

[remote perch]

It doesn't want to die so its hiding

[worthy mason]

bro

prts map doesnt show second and third pathing

so idk where its going

[civic bear]

nah u got enough for anti air. its the s3. solid tank, stuns, dmg

[full terrace]

@topaz fog didnt you say you cleared it #strategy message

[topaz fog]

yes i did clear. but i leaked 1 enemy

that was way too close

i bruteforced

[full terrace]

Nah you prob didnt clear it. Last time you said this for H12-4 too 😏

[topaz fog]

i cleared but leaked 1

[remote perch]

[topaz fog]

but i cant repeat it

that close attempt

[full terrace]

Alright alright you leaked one #strategy message

[topaz fog]

cause different strategies im using all the time. and none are working

[topaz fog]

yeah 1 or 2 all time i leak..

[full terrace]

H13-4 is much easier than H12-4

It's just dps check

[near folio]

Some stuff only gets known when you actually play the stage sadly

[near folio]

Clearing H12-4 by leaking Damatzi

Ez stage

Next time cluster appears in boss rush im just gonna leak it

Unless they make them take 5 life points

[foggy grove]

dazmati on boss rush is whatever

like literally a joke compared to h version

[scarlet fulcrum]

It was there and whatever yea

[near folio]

Oh right i forgot they dropped a damatzi boss rush

[foggy grove]

doesn't help that sui squad get broken buff

[near folio]

But like wtf the boss rush version felt much easier than 12-20 adverse

Maybe 12-20 had the stupid archers and trilby asher

[tidal sedge]

They adjust bosses in TfN

[tidal sedge]

Damazti was nerfed hard

[civic bear]

@topaz fog see above, clears out all crystals tops. then keep killing crystals bot. eventually the remaining slugs are the ones that comes from boss skill (this doesnt count)

[topaz fog]

bro u used my team exactly haha

[scarlet fulcrum]

Their only problem for now, just have patience

[civic bear]

well yes cuz

[split cloak]

Finally someone else using saria s2 like me

[topaz fog]

genius

[full terrace]

That's called handholding

[near folio]

Never went back ever since I got S1M3

[civic bear]

saria s1 would be better but its whatever just spam bodies on top to eventually kill

[full terrace]

You better thank him. It takes effort to spend practice plans, record the screen, then compress the file to 10 MB or lower, then upload it here just for you.

[civic bear]

that also all modless aside from gladiia

what is practice plan

[topaz fog]

thanks a lot.. i was using s3 on yato.. idk why.. why s2 does nuke damage thats nice

[near folio]

Compressing the file is the hardest part

[civic bear]

nah

compress is fast

[full terrace]

Exactly

[near folio]

I would rather send through yt atp

[civic bear]

ffmpeg does it like 5 secs

[full terrace]

My 1~2 mins video takes 40 mins

But nowadays I just reduce frames

Much faster

[topaz fog]

this is so real. you all are unsung heroes. i cannot clear h12-4 if u all didnt guide me and tell the actual mechanics for Damatzi

[split cloak]

I like s2 effects better

[near folio]

You know things get real when they cant even fit the main mechanic of the boss in the stage popups so they just add some flavour text

[topaz fog]

damn bro h12-4 all time its a chaos... The opening is like lots of imposter civilians alongwith fk ton of elite mobs

im not doing again

1 time i did 3 stars. thats all

[near folio]

H12-4 beginning mob rush is so classic for H stages

H5-4 and H6-4 are all notable mob rushes

[topaz fog]

real

[pure orchid]

H13-4 also had mob rush

Just trash everywhere, it was so good

9-6 too

[near folio]

I still havent cleared H9-6

My strat would be so easy now especially with SA and Ifrit module

So im putting it on hold

[pure orchid]

Its so easy smh
(I barely killed the cat cus i ignored pillars)