strategy

[hearty bough]

Can he lanehold right lane? The left lane's enemies hurts like a btch so I'm trynna focus all my dps there. This is CM btw

[blissful wagon]

he can, I believe

yes

[scarlet fulcrum]

Kinda subjective ig? Interesting tho

[blissful wagon]

yeah

I didn't make the list

but it's an interesting niche

so I tried my hand at it

[scarlet fulcrum]

[foggy grove]

Just spam s3 ez

Enemies idle for so long he can just keep throwing ⚓

[elfin flare]

im trying to clear s5-7 for auto-deploy, any tips?

absolute drought for 5* marksman characters on my end

[celest bluff]

I don't think I need Ash

[stiff beacon]

am i suppose to spam melee on DH-8?

funny ship battle

[civic bear]

uh not really

use the floatie

can deploy any op on those

[stiff beacon]

honest i'm kind of stumped because you only have a limited amount of floats

[glad forge]

krooster?

[civic bear]

yeah just dont retreat

or die

they give 6

which is quite a lot

can even cover all lane with that

[elfin flare]

i have her at e1lv40

[stuck path]

any of those 2 anyworth?

[foggy aspen]

should be in help but no

pick whatever you don't have/base skills

[astral cosmos]

well technically indra is harder to get by natural means than vulcan
but both are bad so

[spark sinew]

indra is not bad

otherwise a certain guy named rechord would have her raised!

[astral cosmos]

see? you affirm yourself that since she's not bad i shouldn't raise her it's that shrimple!

[spark sinew]

not gonna work here

I'm still waiting!

[astral cosmos]

then fund me!

[spark sinew]

i can't whale to ak!

prohibited by almighty google

[livid tiger]

Hi, wanna ask if I should E2 Saria, Penance or Hoshiguma for my defenders? And who do I E2 first?

[jovial nest]

So TR-S-1 teaches deployment priority for each role
and TR-S-2 teaches role prio + adjusting on the spot (also nice new arrangement of the basic battle theme)
not bad additions for any new players moving forward.

[tacit gorge]

Hey is it worth it to put masteries into logos 1st skill?

[jovial nest]

yeah

especially if you're gonna use it a lot

which I usually do since I only Logos S3 against bosses

and that's if he's my designated boss killer. I could've still attached him to S1 for laning purposes in a boss stage

[tacit gorge]

Nice ty

[full terrace]

@regal frost I just got the craziest set of relics

Ulpianus 40k boom

[blissful wagon]

https://youtu.be/ITitwEwOcmM?si=-Qumsi-Gb3kSju4n

Hmmm

I saw some strats where people would hurt the left side dudes first

So that the right side is buffed instead

Does that seem plausible for this niche?

If so then 5 OPs may be possible

[pure orchid]

OPs refers to Originium Prime
Ops or ops refers to operators

[blissful wagon]

Aite, then 5 Ops

My question is still there lol

[somber falcon]

what niche are you even referring to

[scarlet mortar]

@ casul

[blissful wagon]

It's made by someone else (the one whose vid I sent)

[somber falcon]

what niche are these
soldiers?

[lapis hornet]

make your own niche :ya:

[wise idol]

whats the fastest way to get trust for an operator?

[scarlet mortar]

base

[lapis hornet]

base assistant

[somber falcon]

bring them everywhere + base assistant

[lapis hornet]

main assistant in particular

also put them in base anywhere like dorm training room craft room wherever

[blissful wagon]

Meant to be TacticalKnights. Realistically I don't agree with the entire list, but I am willing to play since it seemed interesting. For now I am simply asking whether the general strat of "Hit left side to buff right side" would work, and with which unit

[wise idol]

my Gravel is 72 trust out of 100

[lapis hornet]

what's tactical tho

[scarlet mortar]

bros could've checked the vid description

[lapis hornet]

yeah but I was thinking why's there's no ray then

[scarlet mortar]

who knows

[lapis hornet]

woulda been big boost

[scarlet mortar]

ask the one that made the niche

[blissful wagon]

Yeah, like

I am not the one who made the niche, I am just asking whether a plan I have might work

[somber falcon]

"fits modern battlefield"
just chuck in miss explosive expert then

[blissful wagon]

Anyways, I am just asking a question. Since CM makes Martus buffs too quick, straight damage with low OPs is currently not possible. Martus buffs enemies based on health, it seems, so my plan is to hit the left side enemies early to focus the buffs onto the right side.

That seems possible

And I want to do it with just the list

If it sucks and I can't do it then I'll scream at the dev to add in someone random that I think might work instead

Lol

Anyways, if anyone has an idea, just ping me

nvm, that doesn't work

Martus just buffs someone else instead

[full terrace]

Killing the left lane television enemies to buff the right lane idling enemies, the strat itself is valid, however, this does not change the fact that the boss will still boost their HP to 300%, and buffing up the right lane enemies does not make things any easier, in fact, it makes things trickier because of the limited deployable tiles. Kyostin used the mixed left-right strat and you can see in his video, he has to deploy: Click, Pudding, Arene, and Midnight to handle the right lane. These are 4 operators he assigned there in exchange for less pressure from the left. If you assign 4 operators to handle the left lane instead, this will give you an easy right lane, so in the end the two strats are not much different.

Just to make myself clear: I'm only speaking about the strat, not about the niche because I dont care about the niche. People who play nicheknight usually understand what the niche is about, and have the creative mind to support the playstyle, not asking for advice on how to do the niche.

[scarlet mortar]

i mean normally you can still give advice on niches you don't play (not like many people play nicheknights )

that niche has way too many ops though so i'm not gonna think abt it

[civic bear]

i dont even play nicheknight

[scarlet mortar]

so true

[foggy grove]

i played "flavor of the day" knight

[civic bear]

niche rule kinda whatever anyway. the point is just trying to restrict yourself

and thats all that matters

[full terrace]

Yes you can I agree, but that defeats the point. If someone is going to ask for advice, that means that someone is struggling (and I assume is not creative enough) then why not play with meta in the first place right?

Yeah Ancool's point exactly

[scarlet mortar]

well no

since you can be bad at sth you enjoy at first

[full terrace]

If you play niche, then you are restricting yourself

[pure orchid]

I think nicheknight players would be interested in bond-
My lawyer has advised me not to continue this joke

[full terrace]

Means you have the ability to play beyond limit

[civic bear]

uhh no

[scarlet mortar]

that's like saying why play sports if you're bad at sports

[civic bear]

not really

[scarlet mortar]

go study or sth

[pure orchid]

Why study if stupid

[civic bear]

i mean just playing in general helps you get better

[scarlet mortar]

true, drop out NOW

[full terrace]

No, this is not the correct analogy. What I'm saying is, you cant drive a car, it's fine for you to learn to drive a car. But if you cant drive a car, and then you try to do a gimmick driving a car blindfolded, thats different matter entirely

[civic bear]

usually someone ask for advice are for more ideas

thats just very normal

a lot of people can think differently

[scarlet mortar]

you're kinda missing the point of asking for advice

[civic bear]

it has nothign to do with being good and bad

[civic bear]

i mean bro can play so its not like he cant drive a car

[scarlet mortar]

asking for nicheknights advice isn't really that different from general gameplay advice

[civic bear]

correct analogy would be hes trying to drive a car blindfolded

thus

[scarlet mortar]

stuff is backwards compatible

[civic bear]

he ask others who maybe either 1. good at driving cars, 2. have blindfolded driving experience

why 1. matters?

cuz even if they have no blindfolded experience, they can still think of possible issues

[scarlet mortar]

^

just bc it's nicheknights doesn't mean that general gameplay ideas stop working

[civic bear]

and just because its nicheknight

[pure orchid]

hey i cant understand the convo anymore but you guys are doing great

[civic bear]

lets say i play defenders

i can still learn from someone who use x defender really really tons

even if they use said op in more general context

the opposite is also true

It's just a neverending learning experience

[scarlet mortar]

new niche players asking for advice is cool, since you can throw some ideas around until a particular gimmick gets you sth tangible

and there's way too many gimmicks in this game

nicheknights players just tend to use them more bc they're working with restrictions

[full terrace]

That I disagree with you. For me, if you are attempting something extraordinary, you must possess knowledge and experiences beyond what a normal person can do. Dont get me wrong tho, I never faulted the guy for seeking advice, it's normal I understand that, just that, for me, if I'm attempting something advance, I dont go and ask "is this op good?" or "will this strat work?" Because its niche and not everybody does it. I will do research on my own, and then test them myself. I never seen Minus asking around "how to clear contents with 5 Stars" or khamt asking "how to clear contents with maleknights only".

[civic bear]

Hey

[scarlet mortar]

again

[civic bear]

Someone gotta start somewhere

[scarlet mortar]

nobody starts out good

[civic bear]

How do you get said beyond knowledge and experience

If you only play normally

It translates somewhat yes

[full terrace]

Starts out somewhere on something new is different vs starts on doing something daring

[civic bear]

But niche also need practice

[scarlet mortar]

if people want to try nicheknights, just do it

[full terrace]

I agree

[civic bear]

So what's wrong then

[scarlet mortar]

how?

they're not bricking their account

there's no tangible harm here

[civic bear]

He's playing for fun anyway

Not to actually clear for medals and reward

[scarlet mortar]

like this sounds like gatekeeping ngl

let bro play

[civic bear]

Every player knowledge are built on others before them

[civic bear]

You don't see them asking, I sure see khant asked stuff

Everyone ask questions

[scarlet mortar]

tums playing E0L1 like

[civic bear]

Getting advice helps a lot

It's like studying chess. Knowing tactics and opener helps

[scarlet mortar]

also zaf with that CCB2 spec opener

[civic bear]

You could play 1000 games sure

[scarlet mortar]

who let ppltn cook

[full terrace]

But thats not my point you see, instead of doing practice and experiment on things to enrich yourself, doing things like learning from scratch is totally different. It's some advance stuff the guy is attempting, I assume that if someone is doing some advanced stuff, they possess the knowledge to do the basic stuff, am I wrong on this? Now going back to your "ask others good at driving cars" my question is: why would someone attempting advanced stuff if they havent used X op tons of time before? Shouldnt they be learning about X op first by using it tons of time, before attempting to do blindfold driving.

Thats my point. I'm not arguing with anyone.

[scarlet mortar]

then just.... give more basic advice

[civic bear]

Even "worse" player can give advice

[full terrace]

I dont disagree

[scarlet mortar]

you're thinking too hard abt the peculiarities of nicheknights

[civic bear]

Just having extra opinion idea helps

You don't need to be god player to play nicheknight

[scarlet mortar]

nicheknights isn't some esoteric thing removed from general gameplay

as ancool explained

good advice is good advice regardless

[civic bear]

And for your question. They are doing it tho, the problem sometimes is that someone might not have that much experience to gauge an op capability. But others might, so having someone help you the rough idea of said op even if the questioner never use it can prove to be useful

[scarlet mortar]

if they're still at the starting line of coming up with a strat, then maybe what they need is advice for that

there's still no harm in them playing

and like, even if generic advice doesn't end up to be productive, the experience is helpful too

that's when nicheknights players usually learn the limitations of their niches

[civic bear]

I would agree if bro is like playing e0 or e1 1

But he's playing maxed out stuff so

[glad forge]

what the fuck did i wake up to

[scarlet mortar]

pretend you're playing CC

cluel

[full terrace]

How is this gatekeeping? I never said anything to anyone about not doing anything. I just disagreed on the method they do things. And I can see you disagreeing with me which is cool, but calling it gatekeeping is not right.

[scarlet mortar]

it still boils down to knowing what the good stat sticks are anw

[scarlet mortar]

as in you implying that you have to be good to start playing nicheknights

your words

[full terrace]

I'm implying that you have to learn the basics before doing something more difficult. You are telling me you'd be fine to do a parkour a 10 stories building without practice, and I disagreed. You do you then, dont accuse me for preventing you from doing that, thats your life.

[full terrace]

And?

[civic bear]

They have learn the basics

[scarlet mortar]

doing a 10-story building parkour is not recommended bc it can lead to serious physical harm

[shell arch]

Good morning, strat. What's cooking?

[full terrace]

That I disagree with you. For me blah blah.

[civic bear]

The basic is just playing

[scarlet mortar]

like i said half an hour ago, there's no actual harm to this

so you're literally just gatekeeping

[civic bear]

In that part it is gatekeeping

[glad forge]

im lost in the sauce as well

[civic bear]

Since you implying you need to play with said niche a lot of time beforehand to even start niche which is kinda

[glad forge]

i think something something nicheknights something something

[shell arch]

:tericinema:

[glad forge]

:tericinema:

[civic bear]

So are nicheknight player supposed to never ask question or what

[scarlet mortar]

^

[blissful wagon]

Thank you for your advice. In any case I don't even have the damage necessary to push the buffs to right anyways, Martus just buffs someone else from left, so in the end I just have to make sure I slap all of my damage on the left. For now I am going for Ela, Jessica Alter, Thrm, Horn, Elysium and Meteorite

I wanna remove Thrm a lot

[glad forge]

I mean if u make up a random ass niche, I think it would be hard to expect someone to know the perticulars of said niche

[scarlet mortar]

that's what discussions are for

[blissful wagon]

Cuz he does one thing so far, hitting a nursery ONCE so that Martus doesn't target them

[full terrace]

Yo what the hell is this? I never said this. You are the one assuming this and pushing this notion onto me

[civic bear]

Cuz if you have to begin with just playing by yourself till you get good, and you said that khant and minus never asked question. When should they ask question / advice

I am not assuming

[blissful wagon]

But without him Martus buffs too quick

[civic bear]

Cuz I don't understand what your thoughts process

[civic bear]

Within said niche specificly as a whole yes. However some people might know i.e. I know mudrock is pretty good here cuz blabla

[scarlet mortar]

you don't always start with good ideas tbh

[full terrace]

The way I see it, I'm voicing my opinion and you guys trying to bend my mindset to your doctrine, which I refused to. And because I refused to, you accusing me of gatekeeping. Please quote me in which part I tried to control anyone's action. If you cant then you are just acting on your assumptions.

[civic bear]

And here meteorite does absolutely nothing

Ok let's step back then

[full terrace]

And for the record, I did answer the guy about the strat so I wasnt against asking in the first place

You guys went crazy over your own assumption

[glad forge]

ok yeah im too for this. Good luck @full terrace

[civic bear]

It wasn't about your answer

It's this statement

Just to make myself clear: I'm only speaking about the strat, not about the niche because I dont care about the niche. People who play nicheknight usually understand what the niche is about, and have the creative mind to support the playstyle, not asking for advice on how to do the niche.

[scarlet mortar]

People who play nicheknight usually understand what the niche is about, and have the creative mind to support the playstyle, not asking for advice on how to do the niche.
then why not play with meta in the first place right?
this shitshow kinda started with you asking "why bother playing nicheknights if you're bad"

[glad forge]

I just hardforce CE and Ceobe in everyteam so

[scarlet mortar]

which is textbook gatekeeping

[civic bear]

Let's say you are right then

Then what exactly were you saying, when should player touch nicheknight after what condition

Where is it going

[shell arch]

I mean this is #strategy. You're supposed to help

[civic bear]

He did help

It's not about that part

[shell arch]

I'll just excuse myself and grab a popcorn then

[scarlet mortar]

can you get me a bucket of that too

i haven't had breakfast

[blissful wagon]

Eat the bucket

[glad forge]

i mean if ur struggling to adapt strat to niche knights, its not a bad idea to start with a 'meta' strat so u can breakdown the stage, like how u treat a CC stage

then do ur funny business to modify it to ur tools

[scarlet mortar]

the entire process is modifying

[civic bear]

Bro isn't exactly struggling. He cleared 4 op NM alrdy. It just getting more ideas. It's normal

[scarlet mortar]

that's normal

[civic bear]

He might be tunnel visioned

Everyone can succumb to that

[scarlet mortar]

silvergun H12-4 pov

[shell arch]

I'm not sharing my last night's leftover thx (I'm broke)

[scarlet mortar]

also CW-S-4

[glad forge]

i dont really get why this argument spawned from the first place

[scarlet mortar]

me neither

[glad forge]

But my opinions of nicheknights is formed from all these random ass nicheknights i see in my reccomended. That I'm quite tired of them so take my 3 dust as u will

[civic bear]

Just like any argument, disagreement exist that's all

[scarlet mortar]

why are nicheknights players expected to be good anw

khant exists

[blissful wagon]

Bruh

My message got deleted

I spent 5 minutes on that

[zinc flume]

Can we Aak amigo instead

[glad forge]

its ok, type it again

[blissful wagon]

Ok so

[civic bear]

Damn r u saying he's bad wow

[scarlet mortar]

🤫

[civic bear]

Gnna get snitched

[blissful wagon]

I asked the question because I have beaten 4 Ops in NM, and am trying CM. I am still stuck in my old strat (which would need 2 more OPs just to make phase 1 work), and idk how phase 2 is gonna happen. I asked the question so that people would give ideas, because I don't understand how the Martus buff bait strat work. If that fails, I was also just asking in general for alternative ideas, since I don't understand half of the units that the niche uses (have only found out and started playing it for like 3 days)

[scarlet mortar]

it wouldn't have been as funny if i just said that i'm a bad niche player

[full terrace]

You want to listen to my opinion? I thought you disagree with my view. But anyway, I will answer that: for me, it's when you have full control of the basics. Like X niche allows only this op and that op. If you have full control of those ops, you know what you are doing, you can do creative things with them. If you wanna call this "good" then so be it. I call this knowledge and experiences. And on the other hand (again for me because I know you disagree), if I havent learned what an op can and cant do, I would do that first instead of attempting something out of ordinary. Judging from the questions posed by the guy, he hasnt really know the limit of X op and Y op in that niche. So again, why would anyone attempting to do a parkour on 10 stories high building if they cant even climb over a simple wall.

[scarlet mortar]

or yk, that a ton of niche players ask for advice daily

from people who barely play their niche

[glad forge]

what funkyknights is this even about

im so lost

[scarlet mortar]

it's particularly funny when someone who doesn't play a certain niche tries their hand at it and comes up with a more optimal strat

[glad forge]

someone pick me up

[scarlet mortar]

bc they just ignored the basic limitations of said niche

and unga'd harder

[civic bear]

Ok so is it just about the fact that they don't know their niche very well that they should just keep playing ?

[full terrace]

Also from what you said "asking someone more experienced using X op tons of time" just tells me that you are aware that the guy hasnt really used X op tons of time.

[civic bear]

Like what's the solution here

Yes they havent used x op tons of time

[scarlet mortar]

why does that imply they can't just ask for advice though

surely that'd be more productive

[civic bear]

Is the solution only to play it tons of time?

[scarlet mortar]

than just throwing ops at the wall for a couple hours

[civic bear]

Which if so that I would disagree

That's where our disagreement comes from

[scarlet mortar]

nobody asks for scientists to go and rederive how to conduct a spectroscopic analysis

they have classes for that

[scarlet mortar]

this is a really weird hill to die on ngl

this game is 5 years old

[glad forge]

ok frankly speaking, i just looked at the niche and im confused as hell

[civic bear]

for me, it's when you have full control of the basics. Like X niche allows only this op and that op. If you have full control of those ops, you know what you are doing, you can do creative things with them. If you wanna call this "good" then so be it. I call this knowledge and experiences.
This makes a lot of sense and I have nothing to say about it

And on the other hand (again for me because I know you disagree), if I havent learned what an op can and cant do, I would do that first instead of attempting something out of ordinary. Judging from the questions posed by the guy, he hasnt really know the limit of X op and Y op in that niche. So again, why would anyone attempting to do a parkour on 10 stories high building if they cant even climb over a simple wall.
Why can't this be true while also asking for advice

[glad forge]

why on earth is saileach there

[full terrace]

They keep playing it tons of time and thats it. Not really a "solution". I wasnt here to argue about giving right or wrong solutions in the first place. I just said what I had in mind and people went crazy about it because it goes against their ideal.

[civic bear]

Niche is just whatever restriction you want 🥺

[blissful wagon]

For your information. Realistically, I know enough about some of the OPs that I do use (that's how I even managed to beat 4 OPs in the first place), as Ela, Meteorite, Horn and Jessica are all OPs that I use on the regular in multiple modes. My question was simply born because A. I don't understand Martus buff targeting and how people managed to redirect the buffs onto the right, and B. As I am not the one who made the niche and don't have every one of the units in the niche built, I asked for help here just in case someone who knows that one unit may be able to help.

Like how Ancool suggested Mag yesterday

It didn't work anyways

But it was a useful test

[scarlet mortar]

we got up in your nose abt it particularly bc what you said was exclusionary

phrasing matters

[blissful wagon]

I didn't understand either, that's why I didn't use her

[scarlet mortar]

"niche players shouldn't be asking for help" is a pretty bad statement to make

[civic bear]

This is where I disagree, playing is definitely required , but you can learn from outside of the game too.

It's not all about just slam your head till it works

It can work

[scarlet mortar]

like yes people get annoyed when your ideals have not nice consequences

i'mma go have lunch now god i'm hungry

[glad forge]

I mean I get asking for help and ideas but I think generally once u cleared a stage, u should at least have a feel on whats good and what wasn't there, and u refine the stage down, thats realistically how most people achieve low op

[scarlet mortar]

nah

i asked tums for help once and he ratio'd like 3 ops off my strat

just by unga'ing harder

[civic bear]

That only works if your original strat is efficient to begin with

And that's hard part

[blissful wagon]

And I did. Yesterday I asked for help for 4 OPs to 3 OPs (ended up being impossible with my niche). But CM is a different thing

[glad forge]

I think thats a skill issue on ur end

[blissful wagon]

I don't feel like my NM strat is that good for CM

It can work

But I want sth better

[smoky halo]

tums so op

[pure orchid]

Tums is god

[civic bear]

Sometimes lowering op is as easy as cutting few ops and make other op do more

But other time you need whole new strategy

[pure orchid]

Sniperknights niche eating good now

[blissful wagon]

But since I am so used to NM strat I needed people to yell at me that I am dumb and should use X unit instead

Lol

[civic bear]

And you are blind so you can't know if you are right now on the right path

[somber falcon]

martus targets mobs with highest hp, the skill plainly explains that

[blissful wagon]

Cuz I can't see another way for now

[smoky halo]

you misspelt wisadel and cheerleaders

[glad forge]

I think a start is to actually go back to 8 units and then trying things out. Alternatively, u can look at how other people do it and see if thats translatable

I personally cba to do all this crap for an event stage, but I did do it for CCB2

[blissful wagon]

There's a 7 OPs clear. I don't like that number, that's why I am trying 6 Ops downwards

[pure orchid]

Gotta bring modY3 schwarz for that sweet atk buff

best cheerleader fr

[glad forge]

then how about u look at their clear and see if u can trim the fat

[pure orchid]

2nd best would be chalter for more ammo

[smoky halo]

how broken is mody schwarz

[scarlet mortar]

it's usually low ops where strats can end up with much more variance

[glad forge]

im too and for this shit

[scarlet mortar]

since you can bring a whole different set of ops sometimes

[narrow pendant]

1st best would be you :ya:

[scarlet mortar]

and/or reposition on the other side of the map

[pure orchid]

Im not the best cheerleader for wisadel dummy

For you though, maybe

[scarlet mortar]

with 5+ ops you tend to cover more area so everything finds its place a bit more naturally

[full terrace]

Woah woah woah hold your horses. When did I say that? He asked a question and I even answered it I'm not against asking for help wtf. You are the one making this assumption and called it gatekeeping ffs.

[glad forge]

I mean modularizing the stage would be a start

[scarlet mortar]

People who play nicheknight usually understand what the niche is about, and have the creative mind to support the playstyle, not asking for advice on how to do the niche.

brother

[pure orchid]

Did someone say hold my

[scarlet mortar]

like i said, phrasing

[smoky halo]

damn looks like i cant play niche since im bad

[full terrace]

And I respect your view and disagreement.

[pure orchid]

You can play 6-star knights with me

[smoky halo]

so true

[civic bear]

It's cuz you think they should just keep playing by themselves instead of asking (your other message) How else can one interpret that

[glad forge]

I just feel like this entire argument going on done in bad faith, and a lot of strawmanning

[scarlet mortar]

i do think this is partially chalked up to a cultural difference

[pure orchid]

Playing by yourself ❌
Playing with yourself ✅

[glad forge]

Just play babelknights, we have , Logos and :tericinema:

[scarlet mortar]

in which case eh nothing held over this

[smoky halo]

trueee this is broken

wis logo should 2 op a decent amount of stages anyway

[pure orchid]

Logos is babel even if technically not ingame?

[scarlet mortar]

but your phrasing was bad, is a fact

[pure orchid]

Like does he legit count for babelknight

[glad forge]

logos was part of babel

[scarlet mortar]

depends on how you define the niche

[civic bear]

Can't even block so bad

[pure orchid]

Yes but like ingame it says RHODES ISLAND

[smoky halo]

wait trueee they lose to invi slug

[glad forge]

He is the RI stool racing champ, probably better than saying babel

[scarlet mortar]

factionknights can be decided on differently depending on who you ask

[pure orchid]

Or invi anything really

[scarlet mortar]

like look at victoria on arkrec

[glad forge]

what if the stage has no high ground

[scarlet mortar]

[pure orchid]

Victoria is crazy

[pure orchid]

Then it's probably a stage that lets you deploy high ground op on low ground

Bro is not thinking with modern stage design in mind

[scarlet mortar]

the modern stage is 12-11 AE

[glad forge]

sniper caster ban.

[pure orchid]

THIS IS WHY I RECOMMEND 3 LANEHOLDERS ON A BLIND CLEAR TEAM 🗣️ 🔥

[scarlet mortar]

wait which number was it

high ground ban

[blissful wagon]

I did watch it, and felt like my strat can end in 6 OPs. I just wanted extra opinions as well. Is that bad to ask?

[scarlet mortar]

rip sniper and caster records

[pure orchid]

Using chalter alongside wis is just sad, the difference in dph is... pitiful

[glad forge]

no, go ahead. thats what strategy is for. but i think ur phrasing was bad. maybe.

[civic bear]

No his phrasing isn't bad. Nothing wrong with it at all

[glad forge]

[smoky halo]

12-14 adverse

[scarlet mortar]

12-14 AE

it's peak

[glad forge]

:tericinema:

[pure orchid]

Thye really just thanos snap half the game units

I didnt like it but whatever

[smoky halo]

no wisadel moment

[scarlet mortar]

nah it got me to trio with mzk phantom highmore

[pure orchid]

My guardknights go EAT

[scarlet mortar]

peak phantom cinema

[smoky halo]

is wisadel in your niche

or only W

[scarlet mortar]

no

[smoky halo]

[pure orchid]

wait what niche is this

[scarlet mortar]

enemyknights

[smoky halo]

enemyknights

[civic bear]

Wisadel is in bro

[foggy grove]

can i play fibknight

[civic bear]

He just gatekeeping his niche

[pure orchid]

Okay thats interesting

[civic bear]

Smh

[smoky halo]

[foggy grove]

the pools is all ops he doesn't have

[scarlet mortar]

me when i add restrictions to kill kid named finger

and then they release lapp2

:deadge

[smoky halo]

lapp is an enemy?

[pure orchid]

Yes

[scarlet mortar]

PV

[glad forge]

in the lappi event

[smoky halo]

oh

[scarlet mortar]

the new event

[pure orchid]

Lapp2, not lapp

[smoky halo]

ok

[civic bear]

Spoiler wow thanks

[full terrace]

Yes, and I stand by what I said. If someone is playing with restrictions in place, they know what they are doing. If someone is still asking, then might as well play meta, because 99% people play meta. You guys think it's fine when someone wanna drive a car blindfolded they can just ask around, and then go try it. I'm not irresponsible to give advices like that so I disagree. You disagree with my disagreement - cool, but accusing me to gatekeep his progress thats entirely different matter.

[scarlet mortar]

anger emoji

[pure orchid]

I dont think someone should drive a car blindfolded

[scarlet mortar]

ok so maybe hop off and let people ask for advice

[glad forge]

I think this entire argument is stupid and all of you should start using :tericinema:

Thanks for coming to my tedtalk

[civic bear]

Car blindfolded sounds bad . But this is more like speedrunning blindfolded

Cuz there's 0 harm

And only things to gain

[scarlet mortar]

driving a car blindfolded kills you

[pure orchid]

I would not recommend doing anything blindfolded

[scarlet mortar]

playing nicheknights blindfolded gets you 10k views

[glad forge]

what if im blind

[civic bear]

How'd you know if you never tried

[scarlet mortar]

i think we should start playing nicheknights blindfolded

[pure orchid]

Oh ive tried

It was nice

wait no

It was horrible!!!

saved

[full terrace]

Lmao funny. The channel is public. What is preventing people from seeking advice?

[civic bear]

Ok then serious question

When can they ask question

Never?

That just feels wrong

[full terrace]

The more serious question would be

Why are you assuming I'm against people asking question?

[civic bear]

Cuz all nicheknight player I know ask question all the time

You said

You don't see khant minus ask question

[scarlet mortar]

sigh

this stopped being abt the guy half an hour ago

[civic bear]

And they're I'd assume good in your views no?

[full terrace]

Because they know what they are doing? Yes

[civic bear]

I know khant ask stuff tho

Everyone does

[full terrace]

You shifted the subject yes

[scarlet mortar]

we're trying to tell you that if we actually did what you're implying it'd suck

and you're not listening

[full terrace]

No lol you are trying to change my mindset and when I refuse to bend it, you accuse me of gatekeeping

What the hell

[scarlet mortar]

like sure nicheknights people should just never ask questions

[civic bear]

Then when should they ask

Answer that

What's the line

[pure orchid]

Yk, i dont think there's much point in asking where the line is

Its subjective for everyone

[civic bear]

Or is there no line

[full terrace]

I'm not in the position to decide that you know this. The place is public.

[scarlet mortar]

no what

[civic bear]

Like what

[scarlet mortar]

the line doesn't exist, just ask

[pure orchid]

My criteria for a good and a stupid question varies from everyone else's

[scarlet mortar]

if people ask stupid qs answer constructively

[full terrace]

Why are you making it sound like I'm forcing my opinion on something, what is wrong with you

[scarlet mortar]

that's the point of this channel

[blissful wagon]

I do think I'd know what I'm doing, considering I've already done two pretty good clears (IMO)
I just don't know everything about everyone, hence why I'm asking people who might know something about someone, that's all it is, really. I'm the one that realistically started it and I'm getting confused why this has gone on for so long lmao

[scarlet mortar]

or #help

[civic bear]

Idk why u so keen on that people should only play and just don't ask question pertaining nicheknight if they aren't good yet

The point of asking question literally HELPS them get better

Which is the point you were trying to make no. Just focus on getting better

[scarlet mortar]

so can we end the convo now

[shell arch]

But what about the guys who ask in #help so they can FLEGGS

[civic bear]

It all just came down to the fact that you cannot realistically get every knowledge just by playing on your own

[scarlet mortar]

wait shit i need to run

1h bike ride

[civic bear]

Sharing is just part of the game

[scarlet mortar]

bye bozos

[pure orchid]

I am not a bozo 😠

[shell arch]

Maybe the real bozo is the friends we made along the way...

[narrow pendant]

Sshut up bozo

[civic bear]

Or unless I'm wrong with what you're thinking

And it's more like

They can ask question

[pure orchid]

What constitutes a bozo

[civic bear]

But if they do they should prob just play meta squad and avoid nicheknight for now?

[full terrace]

EXACTLY now you are in the same page with me

[civic bear]

Oh wow

So when can they start then

[remote perch]

[full terrace]

When they master the meta then

[scarlet mortar]

^

[full terrace]

When else

[civic bear]

But

[pure orchid]

Go run bozo

[civic bear]

You literally said

[narrow pendant]

"Be of zamn occupation"

[civic bear]

The niche player can't know x op

Meta ops might not be within niche comp

[full terrace]

Wai what

[civic bear]

No as in

Ok lemme rewrite that

You do think that niche knights player should know a lot of their ops beforehand no?

[full terrace]

Yeh

[civic bear]

Ok

[scarlet mortar]

on mobile

[civic bear]

So if they don't they should play meta

The question is

How can they know a lot of their ops if they only play meta

They quite literally need to play said niche no?

[scarlet mortar]

🏃‍♂️

[civic bear]

There is no transition to be made here

[pure orchid]

I mean you can play meta and still learn how to play a niche

[full terrace]

Yeah Qyurii thank you for saying that I'm a slow typer

[civic bear]

Again they should know a lot of their op is required here

Yes you can play

But again this is your word

They need to know said op specificly

[full terrace]

I'm with Qyurii and my japanese friend here #strategy message

[civic bear]

Meta teaches strategy yes I don't doubt

[pure orchid]

Meta's a start
Niche is tough, but potentially more effective

Either way, you're learning something

[full terrace]

@glad forge I ping you just in case, sorry

[civic bear]

You werent talking about strategies tho

[full terrace]

I wasnt only talking about strategies, but it is part of the whole thing

[civic bear]

It simply just to not touch it until you know entricacies of said niche

Which how is that even possible

With just playing meta

When they don't share all ops

[full terrace]

Not touching it is not exactly right. What I meant is that, touch if after mastering one thing.

[civic bear]

Ok so touch after mastering it

[full terrace]

You see the guy clearly admitted he still struggle with mechanics

[civic bear]

It being said niche ops

Correct?

[full terrace]

#strategy message

[civic bear]

Yes he does struggle but he knows basic strategies

He just doesn't know event mechanic

That's vastly different

He gotten this far so he knows the basic of lane hold, burst , stall etc

[full terrace]

I mean, if someone is still struggling with mechanics, and doesnt know their niche ops, for me thats clear indication of not enough practice. Mastering stuff one thing at a time should be the correct course of actions.

[civic bear]

Yes

They don't have enough practice

We are on the same page on that

Your conclusion however

[full terrace]

I'm not saying anything about against asking for help.

[civic bear]

Is what we are not

You can still learn event mechanics within the niche

Cuz he knows basic Strategies still

He still knows what operators do, just not what operators limits are. Which comes by practice.
Event mechanics meanwhile are the same regardless of squad and only involves reading and applying basic mechanic that they already know

[blissful wagon]

I do agree that I don't have enough practice, but that's why I'm even asking the questions. Like I said, I don't know everything about the niche, but the niche includes Ops that others may play (like how Ancool suggested using Mag S2 one time). Instead of building a Mag and then using her for 2 hours straight to get the hang of it, I instead want to ask people for advice, because that's more effective for me personally. Ditto with the Martus buffing strat. Instead of trying it myself, I asked for discussions. And again, I DID end up trying it myself anyways when nobody answered lol. (it doesn't work in this niche, FYI)

[civic bear]

There's no correct way to learn

[full terrace]

Okay now I like this discussion, it's shifting toward being constructive instead of bending my mindset.
Yes you can, I never said you cant, I know someone who has 0 experience, got appointed as project manager, and performed extraordinarily well. Talents like that do exist I dont deny it. But you also cant deny they spent quite a bit of time to research and study stuff. Talents like that plus a good amount of time investment will yield results but not everyone has that said talent. What I'm suggesting is that, do one thing at a time from the basics, like starting from pre-school, elementary, highschool, before going to univ.

[civic bear]

All that matters is you learn

Bro has the basics

[lofty stag]

Ain’t no way yall are still at it

[civic bear]

Mechanic are just applied basics

Studying event mechanics takes not as much effort and time as practicing niche ops

[full terrace]

The basics of the game yes, everyone can learn all those within a day. What I meant is that, pushing things to the limit, so that you discover what things can and cant be done, that is the essence of playing niche in my opinion.

[civic bear]

Yes

And how can you reach that limit if you don't practice said op

[smoky halo]

damn the arguemnt still isnt over

[civic bear]

Meanwhile you keep saying well they don't know much yet so they should stick to meta.

The problems is event mechanic changes all the time

You should practice the basic, and then ops . Mechanic last

Like studying to be engineer

You need math (basic) then the ops (idk physics calculus whatever)

[lofty stag]

I have to admit, this is prolly the most civilized AK argument I’ve ever seen, he’ll prolly the only civilized gacha game argument

[civic bear]

Then the mechanic is by far last cuz it is applying those basics to fit into what ops you have

Your ops are static

There are too many mechanics meanwhile

[tawdry path]

what's the conversation about

[lofty stag]

Scroll back around 4 hours.

[pure orchid]

I mean they are all nice people really

[tawdry path]

guh

[pure raven]

[pure orchid]

It's to be expected

[lofty stag]

I mean it’s a nice change of pace

[civic bear]

Cuz it's not in #help

[lofty stag]

Yeah that’s prolly it

[civic bear]

There's no ghost that mysteriously pumps it up here

[tawdry path]

#help is just a cesspool is all

[pure orchid]

Sorry im not doing my job

[lofty stag]

How is no chat cooldown #strategy more civilized than cooldown #help

[civic bear]

Cooldown actually makes it worse

You said smth and having to wait 15s doesn't that make u mad

[full terrace]

Exactly. Sticking to meta for now is the correct action how I see it, because they dont even know how Martus works. Skipping the math lessons and directly trying to do physics calculus is not the way to go.

[civic bear]

Bro they have learnt basics

[full terrace]

Not how I see it

[civic bear]

Event mechanic isn't the basic because it changes every event

Let's say you use meta and learn the stage mechanics

[full terrace]

The context is this event tho, as I see they are attempting BP-EX-8

[civic bear]

Nothing guarantees it translates to other event

[full terrace]

True

[civic bear]

The context should be as nicheknight tho

The objective is not to simply clear

Is it not to get better at said nicheknights to finally clear and possibly with lower op?

[blissful wagon]

I believe you missed my point. I know how Martus works, I already beat him in BP-8 with 3 Ops ad BP-EX-8 with 4 Ops. Realistically I know how he works. I was asking about one specific strat that I rarely see (and only see with absolutely bonkers unit like Wisadel). I was simply asking whether I have any avenue to attempt something similar with my niche (or whether it's even practical at all). This is also CM Martus (someone whose skills are entirely changed in cooldown), and the strat itself is generally only applicable to CM in the first place because of said buff cooldown. I'm not asking about Martus in general, JUST THAT ONE STRAT. Realistically if I make it to 2nd phase, I'd be able to do fine, since phase 2 CM Martus is relatively unchanged. And again, idk what the convo is about anymore, because I replied right underneath my original question that I already tried it myself, learnt his mechanic, and then decided that it's not worth the trouble and cannot be done consistently in the niche I chose

anyways

I'll dip so that the two of you go at it again

[full terrace]

My comment was for getting the clear in the first place, then things started to shift. But I agree with that, it is better to get better at said nicheknight to clear other contents as well, that being said tho, you keep saying "they have learnt the basics" its not how I see it with how little time investments spent on his ops he had to ask around for opinions of others, that for me is skipping a few steps.

[civic bear]

Basics as in

Basic strategies

That can apply to any ops

[full terrace]

Everything

[civic bear]

Everything are not basics

Cuz if it is a lot of players sure don't know basics then

Even famous player doesn't know everything

They just need to know enough

[full terrace]

Knowing the ops limit. This op can take how many hits from enemies with X atk, this op can be deployed to do this kind of thing, this op skill will be up at which timing to clear which wave, etc etc.

[civic bear]

Cuz frankly you don't need to know everything to clear

[full terrace]

Clearly not

[civic bear]

Those helps but not required

[full terrace]

But people playing the niche, tend to know that

[civic bear]

You don't need to know everything to play nicheknight that's all

[shell arch]

I just got a coffee, having lunch, attended a wedding and witnessing a murder in 1 hour and you guys are still at it?

[civic bear]

Yes and he knows on ops he uses

His Jessica usage is pretty good

[full terrace]

Then I disagree with you on this

[civic bear]

And ela and horn

Bro

I mean I played a bunch of nicheknight

I sure don't know everything about them

And ones that I feel like I need to know I ask around for

His inexperience is just on ops he rarely ever uses which is to be expected. That's why bro asked question so they get themselves more familiar or atleast have more info

[full terrace]

You are cool my guy, the convo was weird to begin with, until this last bit.

[lofty stag]

Welcome to peak #strategy

[blissful wagon]

I think I should reiterate that this isn't even my niche (I've only played it for a few days). However, realistically, if you compare my clears to the person who made the niche in the first place, I still manage to do lower Ops than he does, because, at the end of the day, you can say that while he made the niche, I know about specific Ops more (like Jessica, the best girl that I spent 150 rolls for). But because this, again, ISN'T MY NICHE, I admit that I do not know every single unit in the niche itself, but that's why I'm asking.

anyways

because this convo has gone on for so long

I may or may not have found a strat

[shell arch]

This doesn't change the fact that internet argument, especially discord, is just a turn based minigame

[blissful wagon]

in the meantime

so I'll waste sanity again

[pure orchid]

Im gonna record a video

Idk if i should make a script first

Maybe i can just say some bullshit

[lofty stag]

Some bullshit

[shell arch]

Some bullshit

[pure orchid]

Wait i looked at the slides

i cannot bullshit this

[civic bear]

Figured. Your Jessica usage is p good I thought you made the niche cuz you like her so much 😂

[lofty stag]

Just ask ChatGPT

[pure orchid]

No no i underestand the material, its just that its a lot and the time limit is...

whaddya know, limiting

[lofty stag]

Just ask gpt to summarize it 🥱

[pure orchid]

Nah im better

[glad forge]

this has gone for almost an hour

[civic bear]

Nah it's over bro

We just agree to disagree

[lofty stag]

See that’s what I thought until I had 5 projects due right before exams

[glad forge]

skill issue

[pure orchid]

Yeah im just yapping now

No more arguing

[glad forge]

did u try not sucking at uni

[lofty stag]

I’m in mech eng

[glad forge]

dalao

[lofty stag]

I wish

[glad forge]

i just sniff chem in a lab

[lofty stag]

I miss when I could have the Time for that

[glad forge]

i miss when i don’t have to sniff chems

[lofty stag]

I miss you

[blissful wagon]

the actual context is that I saw a vid of the original niche maker

BP-8

he used Jessica too

I was like "I can use her better", so I tried my hand at it

[glad forge]

bro actually did im better

dalao

[lofty stag]

Dalao

[blissful wagon]

ignore the fact that she has no module

also what is dalao?

[lofty stag]

Would mod help at all

[pure orchid]

:clueless:

[blissful wagon]

in the context of my BP-EX-8 clear, prolly

[glad forge]

大佬 (big bro)

[blissful wagon]

prolly

lol

but I'm both stubborn and poor like a true Asian

so if I can beat it without a mod, I will try

[pure orchid]

Jessica mod where she deals increasing dmg the longer she doesnt get hit on s2

[leaden linden]

idk i think patriot phase 2 might die once i s3m3

[lofty stag]

Idk I think ramming him with 2006 Honda civic lx could do the same

[smoky halo]

dalao

[blissful wagon]

dalao

I learn

[scarlet mortar]

turn-based minigames when i minmax on speed

[near folio]

Increasing damage the longer she doesnt get hit in general

Might encourage more shield usage

Instead of just using it for bomb

[scarlet mortar]

CS crying in her grave

[pure orchid]

I cook good

[near folio]

How horrible can CS be?

[lofty stag]

Why is the kitchen burning

[near folio]

Ive heard a lot of slander about her

Is she worse than Projekt Red?

[pure orchid]

Cus i need the whole kitchen burning to cook what im about to cook

[lofty stag]

Gordon Ramsey wouldn’t like that much

[pure orchid]

Then ill cook him too

I aint picky with my meat

[scarlet mortar]

S1 has more or less the same total damage as red S1 (against low def), S2 is frankly unusable (kafka bombing but phys is a... bad formula), S3 has good range but is gimped hard by her fixed atk interval + how it can only hit the same enemy once every 6s

[scarlet mortar]

^ reply broke

[near folio]

Damn... that's pretty bad

Makes Vigil seem good

Ig Vigil can lanehold early at least

And generate some dp

[pure orchid]

Where is your 6-star

Suspicious

[weak gazelle]

so far so easy
guess stop here for today :ya:

[spark sinew]

you should have e2 ticket

[pure orchid]

what...

[spark sinew]

still in the elite 0 lvl 1-30
i have a shitton of 5* at e1

that's a different voucher...

[maiden hound]

lappland > amiya for me

either's fine

[vocal leaf]

pick april then, her camo is pretty useful

[maiden hound]

the e0s are not that important for an early account like you, but if you insist: elysium > april

[civic bear]

get tequila

can you unlock him

dossoles holiday clear up to dh-5, can use e0 lvl1 ops to clear

[civic bear]

nooo

what did you even unlock? kroos?

[spark sinew]

leizi max might've been an interesting pick

not sure if i want to recommend it here though

[blissful wagon]

can I send the current progress here? I actually managed to make to phase 2 multiple times with 5 OPs, but now stuck

[civic bear]

yea its #strategy so ofc

[blissful wagon]

aite

recording time

[glad forge]

click elysium or april and cease the yap

[near folio]

Would Leizi or Astgenne be a better dedicated chain caster?

[glad forge]

chain caster is

[near folio]

Fr?

I mean for like general content wise

[spark sinew]

leizi easily

[glad forge]

its not too good, u need to have low expectations to not be disappointed by them except passenger

[blissful wagon]

https://streamable.com/63jh5f

I make a mistake at the final part since I don't think I can win with a buffed dude right there

But usually even without the buffed dude I die sometimes afterwards cuz of the revival and mob spam

You can check the vid and see. Realistically I really could just use another unit (Meteorite prolly) for AOE, but since the strat went so well for phase 1 I am considering just whether it's possible for phase 2 for now

Ofc, I lack all modules of my main units, but so far I just see that the damage required is so high, so maybe a different strat or placement is needed

[near folio]

I think if you add a source of healing for your Ela it could be possible

But dont forget that there will be two of those tile eaters going to the right lane

And I doubt a mind controlled horn can handle those

[civic bear]

ely doesnt seem right

[near folio]

Oh wait im dumb ela doesnt die

[near folio]

Saileach can def solve dps issue

He does need the dp to deploy mudrock early

[civic bear]

well he does need dp but you dont actually need vanguard to buy time for dp

mudrock just need to be deployed in time rather than early

[near folio]

The mob rush early on is pretty high pressure

[spark sinew]

what for

[civic bear]

mob rush which ela kills

[spark sinew]

ela literally kills them all on the vid

[near folio]

Even Ulpian without gladiia support would die before the first spawner reaches him

Oh

[civic bear]

bro this is nicheknight

vanguard are a waste of slots

bring cheap op would do similar job

[spark sinew]

idt you need potsim either?

[near folio]

What niche is he using? Low ops?

[civic bear]

remind me who are the list again

[spark sinew]

i hope all those p2 weren't intentional

[civic bear]

"Almond, Ambriel, Andreana, Ash, Blitz, Castle-3, Catherine, Cement, Coldshot, Crownslayer, Doc, Ela, Elysium, Fiammetta?, Firewatch, Folinic?, Franka, Frost, Friston-3, Fuze, Heavyrain, Horn?, Iana, Jessica, Jessica Alter, Justice Knight, Lancet-2, Liskarm, Lutonada, Magallan, Melanite, Meteorite, Mudrock, Phonor-0, Saileach, Schwarz, Spuria, Stainless, Tachanka, THRM-EX, Vanilla, Windflit."

[spark sinew]

iirc it's like tacticool ops? but mud with skin makes no sense then

[civic bear]

ignore skin bro

[remote perch]

tf is tacticool

[near folio]

Tactical and cool

[civic bear]

hes just playing some guys niche

[remote perch]

so like a self made niche?

[civic bear]

yes but its not his

he just playing someone's for fun

[remote perch]

oh

[near folio]

Stuff like Pioneer Raythean skin designs would pass as Tacticool

[civic bear]

use ash instead of ely

ash opens pretty well

and stuns aoe

and deals respectable dmg

ash+schwarz combo is classic

[spark sinew]

if you think you're useless

you're not as useless as lower rarity ops in niche that allows 6* 🫡

[civic bear]

ely is like pretty bad to pair with schwarz

barely get extra hits

and defense down isnt as potent

your damage gain is simply defense diff x amount of hits afterall

[near folio]

Slow is also less relevant with mudrock s3

[civic bear]

heck even with ela

one ela mine is all u need to keep mobs from running off muds3

[near folio]

Not using jessicat seems like a waste tho

Maybe hard to keep alive ig

[civic bear]

technically could just use jessicat still

youd have to redeploy at some point

he used jessicat for NM 4 ops

[near folio]

Right lane is still a problem though

[spark sinew]

isn't that also 4 ops + a dead weight, but now cm

[civic bear]

right lane is fine

[spark sinew]

we probably should force a strat around maga, since she's not banned

[civic bear]

his mag kinda weak

[spark sinew]

i doubt she's not an optimal pick

he can use supports, as evidenced by ely

[civic bear]

cant use s3

cuz the tile thing is dumb

so its s2

which is a bit limiting

[blissful wagon]

Yeah, Mag S3 can't be used on bone tiles

But I see

My Ash is maxed too

So I can try that strat

Later

[near folio]

Thongs has disappointed me yet again, he couldnt survive a tile eater even with skalter S2 and shamare doll

[blissful wagon]

I suppose I can deploy Ela on Ely's spot and Ash in Ela's spot

[spark sinew]

did you use the superior skill

[civic bear]

whichever yeah

[blissful wagon]

Schwarz Mud and Horn kept in the same spot

[civic bear]

and then you can redeploy them one by one

[blissful wagon]

That can work

[civic bear]

since they kinda covers each

[near folio]

What's the superior skill?

[spark sinew]

s2!

[blissful wagon]

It's mostly phase 2 that is kinda cringe

[near folio]

Thongs S2 does enough damage to kill it?

[blissful wagon]

Am I gonna try using Ash S3 for AOE just for one niche clear?

[civic bear]

no

s2 ofc

😂

[blissful wagon]

Yeah, figured

Gonna try

[near folio]

Ngl if you use Ash S2 you can drop in Jessicat as well for cc chain

[civic bear]

ideal the combo is ash+schwarz

[blissful wagon]

Jessicat will make me go insane cuz of RNG

Not hers

But the enemy's

Mudrock has self sustain so with bad Nursery spawn

She can at least survive to phase 2

If Jessica gets too many of the arts dude, phase 2 is unwinnable

[civic bear]

id say stainless might have a place

you doing 5 ops tho right

[blissful wagon]

5 Ops yes

But

[civic bear]

i mean you could

stainless+ash

[blissful wagon]

I did say that if it looks hopeless I can add in another

[civic bear]

stainless s1 btw

[blissful wagon]

Lol

I see

[civic bear]

instead of ash schwarz

[blissful wagon]

Good ideas

[civic bear]

stainless is just a bit more universal

[blissful wagon]

Yeah, I'll try either way

Also

There's one thing that I am confused about

In most of the runs I have, I'd kill 3 buffed dudes in a row, starting Martus phase 2 early

However, in some runs I had

Martus would fail to buff the 3rd Nursery in time

So I can actually start phase 2 late

This is what I want to replicate, cuz that might make things a bit more manageable

[near folio]

Can Ulpian S3 kill a Nursery before he gets killed himself in EX-8 CM?

[blissful wagon]

But I don't understand how this works. Ely doesn't slow the dudes and Ela mines are usually deployed close so it's not like the far ones are hit

Either way it is pretty weird

[civic bear]

buffed dudes as in

[blissful wagon]

Maybe there's a specific kill-gate that I got through early

[civic bear]

the triangle heads?

[blissful wagon]

Yeah

[civic bear]

vid example would be nice so like what exactly is diff

diff link enemies

or what

[near folio]

That's something I noticed too, he would buff the 4th Nursery for me usually but sometimes the 3rd gets the buff

[blissful wagon]

Ok, so. In my vid, you'd see that the third triangle head gets the buff BEFORE it gets to Schwarz's range

But sometimes, it gets to Schwarz's range first, gets hit

Which makes Martus buff someone else

I never knew why this happened, cuz not like Ely slowed him in my clear

But if it happens more often I can prolly abuse it

Cuz the problem with phase 2 is that I run out of steam after killing 3 buffed dudes back to back

[civic bear]

oh

[blissful wagon]

So if I can somehow take a break before killing the final buffed dude, then I think things can be a bit more manageable

[civic bear]

its because

the platform

the trinagle heads get buffed when it eats platform

increases their hp

thus it becomes the link target

[blissful wagon]

Oh

[civic bear]

thats probably rng

[blissful wagon]

We have a misunderstanding

[civic bear]

from nursery

is that not it?

[blissful wagon]

I meant the nursery instead

Like, in phase 1 they receive the buffs

Most of the times the one that I kill last receive it early, but other times it somehow receives it late

No idea why

I wonder if it's just RNG, prolly not tho?

Cuz it's

Movement

They all should move the same

Anyways after doing this for an hour I am kinda tired so I nap first

[spark sinew]

platforms are kinda like roadblocks

so they might change the movement

if i were to guess without looking at the example, it's ela or black critting

[civic bear]

oh as in the nurses who get link are sometimes all the earlyones (as in early to walk into your range) but sometimes it skips one

so you kill the boss earlier

[blissful wagon]

Yeah exactly

Yeah

[civic bear]

yeah i think thats a bit of rng

same highest hp

[blissful wagon]

God damnit

RNG again

Aite, that's for future me

I appreciate the help

[civic bear]

this event is rng event

[near folio]

At least Martus isnt as unfair as Harold

[celest bluff]

Harold: anyway
I CAST MAP WIDE NUKE EVER 30 SECOND

Mfs then they make him a medic

[full terrace]

Eh I liked Harold

It was fun

[celest bluff]

Yea

[foggy grove]

martus is pretty boring

[full terrace]

Yeh I agree

[narrow pendant]

I try harded harold as a poor lvl 50 acc

So newbie

[full terrace]

You are a whale, Harold cant do anything in the face of your money.

[narrow pendant]

🥹

Im not

So bully

[full terrace]

Yo..

If you wanna post something like that you gotta ping all the horny lords

[lyric condor]

Which level is that even...

[somber stone]

Shu

[full terrace]

Here, lemme help @pure orchid @regal frost

[ebon zephyr]

Lmao qyurii horny lord

[regal frost]

@pure orchid us when

[regal frost]

youre gonna love is5 lol

[full terrace]

Dont come too soon, I still need time to unlock some relics in IS3 and IS4 😭

[pure orchid]

Later

OH GODDAMN IT WHEN DID I GET A NEW TITLE 😭

Y'all forgot @narrow pendant tho

does IA count

[regal frost]

no need to tag Fredi, he has a 6th sense for it

[pure orchid]

Oh yeah where is he then

[fickle ravine]

I like how this event is kind enough to allow me use Folinic till ex-7 cm

[narrow pendant]

I was at a funeral, sorry hubby

[pure orchid]

oh shit sorry

[blissful wagon]

@civic bear

I can't believe it

[civic bear]

Ez

Ash believer

Also where is ur

Horn dmg

[blissful wagon]

Oh, she died. I lost that one

[civic bear]

Did u choke xd

[blissful wagon]

I need her mod. She didn't manage to deal enough damage until the one triangle dude on the right moved

So he hit her once

And Martus buff made her lose 1 life

So the other mf killed her

Oh well

What's one mod for a cool arse clear?

[civic bear]

Did the nuke not hit ?

Half hp

Is missing a lot

[blissful wagon]

It did hit. I think cuz this was the first time I got to this point I also panicked and had wonky skill activations lmao

But it worked

Tbh that was a lot of luck too