if u have logos and ela
u can place it on left platform facing bot to help kill
#strategy
forest lagoon
celest bluff
how do i know which direction the sandstorm is coming
you dont
clever nebula
even with index 6?
celest bluff
you start the stage then you will know
forest lagoon
random wind
clever nebula
crap i got spoiled that this is a requirement for ending 4 bruh
i thought its just funni random collectible stage like duck lord
ok so just reinforce whatever rock is on the top, depending on the wind, so that the infiltrators doesnt just walk from top right?
i need more than 1 ranged op tile since wisadel might die getting shot by those decoy guys
glad forge
i need more than 1 ranged op tile since wisadel might die getting shot by those ...
pos depends on wind direction, but if u dont get top wind then u can put her in the upper middle island, usually a e2 wis can kill the infiltrators before they can shoot her
sly drift
I haven't tried it but Isn't Wisadel camo make her immune to global sniper even if you place her on wind?
glass monolith
Won't her summon be in wind that global sniper hit like Isekai truck in wind?
glad forge
I haven't tried it but Isn't Wisadel camo make her immune to global sniper even ...
her summon dies in ยพ wind direction
clever nebula
u do get +1 block so AoE works in chapter 10
anyone blocking gets +1 block for each slug, max 5
use AoE snipers like meteorite or walter
full terrace
Ideally you deploy Ines on the pink circled tile facing left, and Wisadel/Logos S3 on the blue circled tile facing up to spawn camp the snipers. No snipers = the whole map is safe to deploy, you just need to heal up a bit.
But since you dont have Ines, then you need to play by the rules. Deploy Wisadel on the blue circled tile facing right. This blue circled tile is the safest tile in this stage, it doesnt matter where the wind blows from you just need to reinforce one of the red circled mounds. By placing Wisadel here she will control all lanes destroying everything except for the invisible snipers.
The second safest tile is one of the purple circled tiles depending on the wind direction. If the wind is blowing from west/east/south, then the upper purple is safe, if it's north then the bottom purple is safe. Use this second safe tile to deploy your dps with his/her attack range overlapping with the revealer's. When the snipers are within the revealer's range, use the revealer and kill them.
clever nebula
But since you dont have Ines, then you need to play by the rules. Deploy Wisadel...
my god this is very comprehensive, thanks
i'm planning to leak those snipers if needed, since i only noticed there's only like 3 of them
the dogs and decoys are much more worrisome now
glass monolith
And more enemies after dying
Bro you will love chapter 13
pure orchid
I love chapter 13, its so piss easy that i will literally piss myself
glass monolith
I piss on h13-3 boss by Quartzing him
pure orchid
Chapter 12 was different tho
glass monolith
Chapter 12 can eat shit and die
pure orchid
But at least it made people realize how bad juggernauts were
nocturne cove
Bro you will love chapter 13
I have to read mechanics now cuz I had to rush past 3 chapters to get logos mod
pure orchid
Just kill everything, done 
scarlet mortar
game: makes hard stages
player: why hard ๐ข
regal frost
I forgot what chapter 12 mechanics were
nocturne cove
game: makes hard stages
player: why hard ๐ข
I'm not complaining, it's on my part
For being dumb
pure orchid
Use laneholder with not a lot of block, less block better
also preferably aoe to hit everything
put mudrock in a corner to soak cannon hits
also logos s1 eats those enemy spawn like breakfast
nocturne cove
I'm doing H-11 rn
nocturne cove
Hmm
glass monolith
steamknight was just stat bloat
Quartzed him too eventually, initial clear skadied 
nocturne cove
Minus love quartz
pure orchid
yes
glass monolith
I love take nuke and say nah I'd DR stack
nocturne cove
This is the main problem
I tried placing Zuo le facing up to deal with those casters
full terrace
Wisadel up Logos down looks like fun bahahaha
nocturne cove
But their range is huge
nocturne cove
Wisadel up Logos down looks like fun bahahaha
Initially
I can't get them out
Lemme just use mountain instead of ulpi
full terrace
Your ign is finally back to nas. Not low on LMD anymore?
nocturne cove
Still broke
Though I'm getting out of it
Focusing on base
After 6-7 long months
I can't ignore it no more
tidal sedge
How strong a roster need to be, to clear E2-4 in IS4 D15?
nocturne cove
"The stage becomes hard when you make it hard"
full terrace
E2-4?
tidal sedge
Ending 2, 3 and 4.
glass monolith
Usually short for ending is "ed" to avoid obvious confusion with "e"lite
full terrace
Ending 2, 3 and 4.
Depends on your strats really, but if you are looking for effiency:
- Wisadel and Logos for damage
- Ascalon trivializes Ending 2 (you can stop 2 of the boss's running phase in her single skill cycle)
- Shu can loop Ending 3's boss, but you still need a big big burst especially if you are playing its alter ending (Sentinel) because the device duration is halved
- Ceobe can melt Ending 4's left boss with aspd relics, as for the right boss, drop every strong physical dps you have like Mlynar.
- Ines and Reed for convenience throughout your journey. Optionally, Ela's bombs and the duo FRDs also help
nocturne cove
Flanpog
tidal sedge
Ah I guess, I'm struggling because I don't have Shu, Ascalon and Ceobe.
Can Mostima and Ines slow down the Ed 2 boss enough to kill him in one burst?
full terrace
Ines cant stop the boss. Mostima I never tried but to 1 cycle the boss you really really need to be lucky with relics, d15 is quite tough
And Mostima's skill duration is quite short
regal frost
Depends on your strats really, but if you are looking for effiency:
- Wisadel an...
Shu can loop ed2 boss too
regal frost
Ah I guess, I'm struggling because I don't have Shu, Ascalon and Ceobe.
Can Mo...
you might have to play it slow instead of bursting
stall the boss with a medic and defender while you kill all the enemies
he runs through your ops when you get him below a certain amount of health
so you'd need to set up another blocker once he runs through your first
tidal sedge
Oh yeah I meant that yeah, I was trying to kill him as he runs through the first blocker.
Didn't think of adding another blocker.
regal frost
then you can retreat the first blocker and stall until you can deploy them again
then burst boss at second blocker
let him run to third
stall
redeploy your ops
tidal sedge
Makes sense. I'll try this, thanks.
regal frost
ask #is-station though they'd probably know some easier strat
hybrid phoenix
full terrace
Shu can loop ed2 boss too
Yeah Shu can but it's a little tricky to setup because you cant use her to block the boss. The boss will perma-freeze the one blocking him giving you no time to activate a skill.
And you need to activate her skill in a precise timing if you wanna loop the boss, which is tricky.
Ascalon on the other hand, just tap the skill
glad forge
How strong a roster need to be, to clear E2-4 in IS4 D15?
ed2: ascalon, mostima, shu,
ed3: degen, mlynar, wis, shu (big instances of burst dmg)
ed4:mlynar + medic (to handle cannon cycling etc), ceobe/logos (left boss)
generally good: wisadel, texalter, yato2, ines
smoky halo
you can use shu to block ed2 if u have ines (and no nonlinear2)
atkspd steal reduces boss interval enough that shu gets unfrozen
scarlet mortar
the boss gaining DR while dashing makes it annoying in my experience to burst
you can't really half-ass it
spark sinew
mosti will allow you to trigger the run and still block him with the same blocker after
celest bluff
I sorta cannot find ur profile
capitalize the K
spark crest
capitalize the K
Ah. Well I am trying to sleep a bit rn so here is my id if you wanna add while I am away. I will redo that once I wake up
celest bluff
I dont type moon runes brother
spark crest
Ah well I will do that once i wake up
full terrace
Moon runes ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
celest bluff
ใใใ#8862
covert vale
am i not strong enough for this stage?
lapis hornet
damn
full terrace
I dont remember what LS-4 look like, but I'm sure there is nothing Wis/Logos borrow cant solve.
lapis hornet
oh right ticket
covert vale
i want to auto deploy T=T
full terrace
Dont farm LS stages, optimize your base instead
regal frost
would recommend using sanity for base
covert vale
huh
covert vale
das crazy i wasted my sanity on them lol
regal frost
LS and CE stages are really inefficient to farm
regal frost
das crazy i wasted my sanity on them lol
dw
spark sinew
eh it's fine, not like you did it for a year
covert vale
how do i optimize my base?
regal frost
2 trading post
5 factory
2 power plant
full terrace
You ask the right person, seek Hauckindu for base advice ๐
full terrace
Chapter 4 is the last one I think? Shouldnt be that hard
full terrace
Yah, I rushed to Chapter 6 with only Lappland and Wis/Logos borrow
full terrace
If you raise one 3 Star to E1, you are much more developed than me ๐
regal frost
lmao
full terrace
you're ahead of me smh
I had to. Freaking Wis materials are only available at Chapter 5 Stage S5-9
And to raise her skill to Lv7 I need the Chapter 9 materials
full terrace
Yeh lol he is one of the newest operators
full terrace
9-4 is fine. S9-2 now thats not fine
Thats like.. near the end of Chapter 9
Might as well make it Chapter 10 ๐
full terrace
Also true
regal frost
tbh could probably do it with this
I need to grab krooster soon but I unlocked the wrong side story
full terrace
How did you get so many E2s
full terrace
I only have Lv60 E2 Wis and Lv80 E2 Lappland thats it
regal frost
that was super nice
full terrace
Ah
regal frost
Dorothy mats are in thalter event store
which was very convenient
mylnar mats I think I grabbed from IS
oh also you know the mat vouchers we got from mail?
full terrace
Ah yes I forgot you grind IS
full terrace
oh also you know the mat vouchers we got from mail?
They became Wis sustenance already
Only 8
full terrace
Oh really?
regal frost
yeah it's weird
full terrace
The ones I have right now also have expiration date?
regal frost
if mail reward they're permanent
tidal sedge
fellas is the event monsters able to debuff units to not be healable?
penance wasn't being healed, i did finish the stage without borrowing wis finally.
it's the 3rd stage of event
glass monolith
Pro played himself. Should have blocked with off skill Mlynar 
tidal sedge
oh why
glass monolith
Because Juggernaut and Mushas (or Soul blades or whatever their name is now) and Reapers can't be healed as Trait effect. Only Regen by mainly talents or Bards
spark sinew
but in return she can't benefit from medics
full terrace
Soloblade
tidal sedge
so what units are bards?
full terrace
Skadi the Corrupting Heart
spark sinew
don't try to heal penance
full terrace
Civilight Eterna
spark sinew
she doesn't need that at all
tidal sedge
wouldn't that make them bad? since they have long deploy cd too.
spark sinew
she just wants your units to not "steal" kills from her, and for you to kill ranged threats (although penance doesn't really need that)
full terrace
Nah, they are too strong that such limiters need to be placed on them
tidal sedge
mhh okay
glass monolith
If the enemy is not strong enough to kill them most of them have tools to continue not dying
tidal sedge
should i just hold off on using her then? until I can fully upgrade.
full terrace
If you are new, I suggest you play IS and try all sorts of Temporary Recruitments
You'll learn about various operators that way
tidal sedge
what is IS?
glass monolith
Ah yes, just try "Random 1 out of 300 units in game"
tidal sedge
the orundum stage?
glass monolith
No roguelite mode to suffer when sanity is low in game and you want to spend IRL one instead
tidal sedge
a TD rougelite eh that sounds neat
chilly palm
How to 4 10
glass monolith
Because I had story progress when it released I have no idea when it unlocks
chilly palm
full terrace
Woh
regal frost
that should be able to clear
full terrace
How you failed 4-10 with that ๐
chilly palm
I'm stupid
glass monolith
4-10 is Frost Nova? Hold her back with Gravel snacks while any sniper repeatedly shot her in face
regal frost
kroos exu will bully
full terrace
Wisadel few shots her
chilly palm
Imma go try again
regal frost
oh flan this is what I was saying earlier
full terrace
I see
spark sinew
when you go back to tutorial stage after finishing the game
regal frost
you have nian and hoshi
full terrace
Niche use but he is okay.. I guess?
regal frost
they're way better than blitz
opaque bridge
this took me a horrible amount of time cus I had to search for a caster lmao
tidal sedge
dang what are those tesla coils?
nocturne cove
this took me a horrible amount of time cus I had to search for a caster lmao
Now do tribulation mode
tidal sedge
funky looking gramophones
nocturne cove
Or whatever that was
tidal sedge
whats TW
nocturne cove
Twilight of wolumdeeznuts
opaque bridge
Now do tribulation mode
already finished
nocturne cove
Side story
pure orchid
Twilight of Wolumonde, the debut event of Our Light and hot sarkaz lady (as an npc)
nocturne cove
Man i wish I could do all the intermezzi and side stories again because I need those OPs
pure orchid
The trailer is peak im gonna watch it again
tidal sedge
ah should I even be doing side stories? i just barely was able to do the event stage 3 without Wisadel
nocturne cove
Ulpi event?
tidal sedge
yeah
pure orchid
Use the towers and you'll slap things silly tbh
pure orchid
no you dont
tidal sedge
I mean event stage 1 to 3 oops
lapis hornet
don't you have ticket for insta e2?
pure orchid
its just a recommendation
tidal sedge
yeah I chose amiya
tidal sedge
I finished the event but I cant do it alone
lapis hornet
build up some units with the lmd/exp in store
tidal sedge
ah whuh where
pure orchid
#strategy message bottom right, big shining thing
tidal sedge
discord doesn't want me to go to that message
pure orchid
lapis hornet
what are you tryna say
pure orchid
im saying that
lapis hornet
his squad is all e0 except his e2 amiya
nocturne cove
Ulpi is one of the easiest event I've played
regal frost
this is bp-8 right?
lapis hornet
wis solos that stage tho
pure orchid
7
lapis hornet
idk why you need so many units
pure orchid
dude it is not my clear, READ
lapis hornet
did I say it was
tidal sedge
yeah Wis solod that for me
pure orchid
no but youre implying as if i did need so many unit
tidal sedge
I just put her on the right side of the beacon
regal frost
can probably find a E1 level 1 clear on bili
tidal sedge
I can't do it with my units though
pure orchid
tower literally free damage
tidal sedge
I was able to keep farming manually with a borrowed wis on 5,6 and 7
but it took too long haha
tidal sedge
yeah I'll try
nocturne cove
you're telling him to that bp7 is easy to farm with e2 amiya and bunch of E0s
I didn't know that
I just found that out
Amiya was a bad choice to e2
lapis hornet
it is what it is
might be doable might not I have no idea tbh wouldn't vouch for it esp since he has no trust either on his units
regal frost
I found this for bp-6
https://b23.tv/9VyflFL
haven't been able to find a E1 level 1 clear for bp-7 though
glass monolith
Ignorance is bliss so I happily forgot that those tickets exist
lapis hornet
these records not always easy to replicate with brand new accs tho
can always add more units but
maybe amiya can help
we need some e0 dalao to help :ya:
regal frost
I just find them impressive to watch
lapis hornet
man ever since I stopped helping ppl in strat I've become full time rarity abuser
literally dunno how to play game without rarity abuse now
tidal sedge
Oh yeah I need to know which to e1 first
And excluding Amiya who would have been the best to e2 with the selector?
weak gazelle
cake, play 5* only :ya:
tidal sedge
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Pi421i7RP/ there's e1 lvl1
Oh O have the sushi guy and the octopus girl
not the other dudes though
pure orchid
click and humus
i think amiya will become a good click
you also have 8 other slots
humus looks tough to replace tho
late bane
Amiya was a bad choice to e2
You are forced to do that to clear 14-21 and jt8-2
Or I'm out of context
pure orchid
Its a bad choice because she barely helps you in getting to said stages
In other words, she won't carry you like other choices would
glass monolith
Chapter 7 boss can be approached with true damage
pure orchid
I think tequila is the one best choice for the e2 tick, barring proviso
good damage, decent choice for base
lapis hornet
lapluma >>
regal frost
damage wise yeah he's best option
lapis hornet
but if no pluma idk
pure orchid
pluma is not free (unless selector idk) and she is sitting duck in base
im talking like overall
regal frost
for most players it's either be impatient and do lapp
pure orchid
also just get humus idk 
regal frost
or wait for tequila / krooster, I do lean more towards tequila
pure orchid
lapp e2 lowkey sucks but its serviceable ig
regal frost
but I feel like new players would struggle a bit with tequila range
tidal sedge
Oh yeah I should show my roster rn
spark sinew
just borrow wisadel and clear the stages
pure orchid
no one cares about an extra 10% in base bro
Dont let riic hear you
tidal sedge
lapis hornet
riic doesn't even have real people in it it's all base simulator nerds smh
spark sinew
he already lost the nerd argument with "10%" dw
not like tequila is usable without shamare regardless though
lapis hornet
e1 your mountain
regal frost
that's a good start
tidal sedge
so e1 mountain first
pure orchid
best choice for e2 tick is still debated for some reason, and im just saying teq looks good for people looking for a balance between good combat and good base
tidal sedge
what about the lower rarities?
spark sinew
also stop raising myrtle, pretend she doesn't exist
pure orchid
im not saying teq is the best chocie for pure combat tho, never did
tidal sedge
oh I thought steward was fine not to use since I got Amiya for arts
spark sinew
i think the angle is to bring noir and other defenders and just stall for wisadel
pure orchid
you can use both
spark sinew
need steward e1 1 at least
lapis hornet
I'm p dubious about tequila tbh cause new players probs alr rolled some kinda burst I'll assume
pure orchid
i think the angle is to bring noir and other defenders and just stall for wisade...
theyre looking to farm, not clear
tidal sedge
Also no Myrtle eh, what do I use for dp generation?
spark sinew
theyre looking to farm, not clear
clearly the problem is both...
regal frost
Myrtle is fine without levels
spark sinew
one thing at a time
tidal sedge
Oh yeah, I already cleared event thanks to borrows
spark sinew
they have literally 0 e1 units
tidal sedge
I just need to do no borrows now
pure orchid
hauck lmao
lapis hornet
I have a crazy idea just listen to this
lapis hornet
e1 your mountain now you don't need vanguards anymore
tidal sedge
yeah I can't do stage 4 and up yet
spark sinew
tidal sedge
Okay I'll try to beat the chip stages
spark sinew
you have reading issue or something qyurii
pure orchid
or just have them say it to you straight up rn
spark sinew
how broken is e2max amiya
pure orchid
She's core for 2 stages 
regal frost
found a E1 level 1 clear for bp-5
ใใๆๆฅๆน่ใ BP-5 ไฝ้ ็ฒพไธ1็บงไธๆ้ ็่ทฏ-ๅๅฉๅๅฉใ https://b23.tv/Yt6gygQ
tidal sedge
she kinda kills not as hard as my ulpp though he hits things like three times and hey vanish
spark sinew
can 3letter word farm with support
lapis hornet
ok my bad 14% not 10 like woah crazy
regal frost
pure orchid
You have ulp e1, everything will easily eat balls
lapis hornet
oh ig no easy way to get bib now so 16%
spark sinew
i'll ping gato and tell him that people who don't know about the base still misread this table
he won't be happy
hint: yellow part also matters
tidal sedge
ใใๆๆฅๆน่ใ BP-5 ไฝ้
็ฒพไธ1็บงไธๆ้ ็่ทฏ-ๅๅฉๅๅฉใ https://b23.tv/Yt6gygQ
thanks ill try to e1 these ops first
spark sinew
๐ซก
lapis hornet
honestly no one cares zzz
spark sinew
he also makes your drones worth more but let's ignore that
lapis hornet
tp's just an outlet for gold bars anyway
pure orchid
whatev ill shill teq for e2 tick
lapis hornet
wasn't it better to drone what's her face
spark sinew
typical "i know better, you can't even substract 2 numbers" into pivoting "no one gives a shit"
lapis hornet
proviso
spark sinew
good job cake
regal frost
thanks ill try to e1 these ops first
good luck
lapis hornet
bro going all base nerd in strat ty
pure orchid
typical "i know better, you can't even substract 2 numbers" into pivoting "no on...
lol its somewhat tiring but im emotionally unavailable rn
lapis hornet
what I'm saying is
spark sinew
talking to fake new player rn, not you
lapis hornet
advising a fking new player to e2 someone for base is sus
pure orchid
talking to fake new player rn, not you
yes i know, and im talking about their antics
spark sinew
that's a different argument
regal frost
thanks ill try to e1 these ops first
actually wait just E1 spot, kroos, Stewart, ansel
maybe beagle
pure orchid
proviso is fine purely for base
regal frost
also mountain E1 when you can
pure orchid
teq is good in combat and base
pluma is great for combat, useless in base
just take your pick 
regal frost
can we just let the 5* knight players decide who's the best option for new players
tidal sedge
Okay will do
spark sinew
just don't bother, people would rather devalue everything related to base than think ahead
pure orchid
Yeah apparently no one cares or gives a shit
spark sinew
obviously that's rich, coming from me
i also think every time that it will be different
but it never is
lapis hornet
proviso is like what a 4 month roi? idr
like man most new players won't even be here in 1 month
spark sinew
then it doesn't matter what they'll do
lapis hornet
they're more likely to stick around if they actually have fun playing the game
instead of investing for years ahead
...
unless ofc they like the base sim
which is fine but they're probs not in strat
pure orchid
i wasnt even advocating for proviso
lapis hornet
you said proviso is fine for base
spark sinew
people misuse this channel as general help channel all the time
pure orchid
the initial point of this entire discussion was recommending teq
spark sinew
let's not pretend this is some "elite new gamer channel xxx" with people taking the game very seriously mechanically
lapis hornet
never been elite gamer chan
well haven't been for 4 years
but ppl come here to ask for stage advice mostly
spark sinew
which is fine but they're probs not in strat
well i was replying to you
every second question is about their general squad
lapis hornet
man ngl I used to be annoyed when this channel was more elitist
now I miss them elitists 
spark sinew
just follow them back to ldcord or wherever they are
spark sinew
probably because they didn't e2 their tequila
lapis hornet
shu literally e2d every base unit bro still stops playing
spark sinew
?
lapis hornet
was shu before your time
regal frost
I remember him
lapis hornet
ya
well
he had mastery room on global it's just his cn acc he skipped training room
spark sinew
did you miss one of his other 4 accs that he showed
without mastery room
351
with lvl1
office and TR swapped
lapis hornet
351 was p trendy for some time
spark sinew
man got more accounts than i played games
lapis hornet
idk what the man got up to anyway
at least admins don't hunt this place anymore ever since yostar took over
spark sinew
who cares tbh
seems to be alive and that's good enough
lapis hornet
yall don't have to be afraid of silent mods shawing yall chitchats 
lapis hornet
when I cared more about the game I actually did 351 for max prod!!! and farm ce5
wait no
that's 153
351 was the base nerd one right
spark sinew
351 is giga early game one
lapis hornet
there was even a thing advising 351 for new players before ya
but kinda forgotten p quick
spark sinew
idk who advised it
we made a guide so they can actually build it
but it's a transitional setup and new players already have information overload
so it wasn't pushed too hard
lapis hornet
oh did that happen again
there was a guide in riic like first year of this game iirc
even saw luzark talk about it in help now and then
spark sinew
about 351? that's crazy
lapis hornet
ya
lapis hornet
think most global base nerds were in riic
maybe not moe actually idk if I seen him here but I'm no riic regular
solemn galleon
lf 9-19 easy strat 
nocturne cove
What exactly am I watching
smoky laurel
lf 9-19 easy strat <:SkadiDaijoubu:839269199964798997>
show your operators
solemn galleon
show your operators
all?
civic bear
real endgame player plays on the background fr
lapis hornet
his sa e1 can't be endgame
lapis hornet
uh
nocturne cove
his sa e1 can't be endgame
IS
solemn galleon
just your squad tbh <:ls_shrug:1278752585578315846>
nocturne cove
you sure he's not just using emulator
Oh I forgot about that
Could be the cas
I never used emulator
Or the pause deploy thingy
I try to buy I'm not fast enough
lapis hornet
pause deploy v easy on pc
nocturne cove
Yes
gentle finch
Damn
civic bear
emu is p quick
gentle finch
Is he worth pulling
civic bear
it just mouse keyboard in action
smoky laurel
i'm guessing you don't have thorns, mlynar or wis
solemn galleon
ok i am cooked
smoky laurel
ok i am cooked
nah, its fine
you can borrow wisadel and use any fast redeploy to push rocks on mandragora
nocturne cove
alr ill find walter strat
Just let her bonk herself with the pillar and logos can kill her
Silly cat dies to pillars
nocturne cove
Can Zuo and ulpi (gladiia support ) duo h11-4?
smoky laurel
can someone handhold through h12-4
smoky laurel
have you play the stage yet
yes and ulpi keeps on dying on top and i can't get enough dp to place blockers on bottom
civic bear
by dying as in
smoky laurel
dying
civic bear
when exactly
smoky laurel
literally death
he gets shot to death at the start as i place him to the crossbow guy
civic bear
at start?
smoky laurel
not at start, a bit later since i need at least saria on bottom to hold the disguised enemies
pure raven
is that the damatzi chapter
smoky laurel
yes
i like how everyone keep saying ulpianus is good yet only good use i had of him was at IS 1 at the mansfield break boss stage
civic bear
pure raven
is he perhaps dying to this?
smoky laurel
is he perhaps dying to this?
no
smoky laurel
that doesn't tell me anything
civic bear
so ulpianus a bit weak
you got double frd
you should use the frd to handle top instead
mlynar handles bottom lane
pure orchid
that doesn't tell me anything
calm down theyre about to tell you
smoky laurel
doesn't the boss do arts damage when he summons the drones
smoky laurel
isnt eyja way better against damatzi?
i tried
she dies alongside everyone else
when boss hits last phase, everyone just die
slender terrace
doesn't the boss do arts damage when he summons the drones
Itโs cross damage btw
civic bear
so your squad is a bit weak in sustain. so saria would have to go top. hoshiguma at the middle circle, ulpianus then at the right
smoky laurel
not my recent try, its an old one but thats what happens every time the boss hits last phase
lapis hornet
bait his insta kill think ppl alr told you before
civic bear
that setup requires a top op to be able to solo lanehold
only kaltsit really can do that
slender terrace
NG died cause boss ate NG
pure raven
i used eyja in walter's spot so she can reach everyone + Shu so my survivability rate was really high
slender terrace
At the last phase the boss will select isolated target and eat so you need to bait it with anyone
pure raven
^
civic bear
and ng wont die
pure orchid
or yato, literally frd
slender terrace
As long as no operator in surrounding 8 tile
slender terrace
or yato, literally frd <:ireneburg:1255864516642865245>
Nah, the ate operator canโt be deployed anymore
So just use a flag vanguard
smoky laurel
idek how to begin the stage
pure orchid
I only use ines nowadays so thatll be fun
smoky laurel
its either ulpianus dying at the top or bottom leaking
slender terrace
If you have kaltsit, I think you should stick with kaltsit
civic bear
isnt the vid above ur vid, just use same strat
smoky laurel
I only use ines nowadays so thatll be fun
civic bear
you literally got it
pure orchid
I did not suggest you to use ines
pure orchid
I was also talking to someone else
civic bear
wisadel kills the remaining hp
smoky laurel
wouldn't thorns die to the boss though
civic bear
also deploy ely 2 tiles above ng
that way you can generate dp
and ely will still bait the skill
and ely wont die from drone (if there is one)
lapis hornet
think I literally told him to put ely in front of blue box last time
slender terrace
Honestly I think can use Ulpianus instead of Thorns. Thorns would be at 0 Def anyways and Ulpianus have more hp
civic bear
your team is strong as long as you reach anywhere near that same setup you'll do fine
pure orchid
Okay you tried blind once and got pretty far
pure orchid
Thats a good start, now you just learn what to adjust
Which in this case is mostly just placing ely to bait
lapis hornet
thorns is fine
you can even like, put ulpi in thorns spot then thorns in front of ng
whatever works you got spare slots
smoky laurel
believe in yourself
how do i believe in myself when my strongest operators die in a single hit from any enemy
pure orchid
Exaggeration wont get you anywhere
pure raven
i mean
pure orchid
Fact of the matter is you got far on a blind run
smoky laurel
Exaggeration wont get you anywhere
thats why i have this name and i asked for a handhold specifically when first asking for help
pure orchid
Gurren lagann reference was not on my bingo card for the past 6 months
pure orchid
thats why i have this name and i asked for a handhold specifically when first as...
We've had this discussion before, you know i physically can't do that
lapis hornet
it's fine not everyone wanna mald hours on a stage, it's just his setup looks perfectly fine just need to bait the instakill
which he wasn't aware of
slender terrace
Just try it again. Your previous strategy would work, only reason it didnโt is because you didnโt bait the boss instant kill skill
smoky laurel
Just try it again. Your previous strategy would work, only reason it didnโt is b...
last time i tried i gave it a few tries, lost all of them in the same point and left the stage for a week now i'm back at it again feeling like giving up again and considering it impossible with my operators
"but your operators are fine, they can definetly do it"
i can't use them
i've always been a no brainer
and just placed operators and hoped it would work
pure orchid
okay we can stop the pity party now
cyan gorge
Then copy a guide instead of crying to us 
smoky laurel
Then copy a guide instead of crying to us <:ReedBean:1151601576700559390>
not really crying, just explaining 
pure raven
i failed because i used mulberry
smoky laurel
i have this name for a reason
civic bear
are we not telling you how to use them then
pure raven
eyja just carries the healing so hard in that stage
lapis hornet
eyja works? I woulda thought ng better tbh
cyan gorge
We gave advice, you didn't want the advice
what more do you want
regal frost
I swear this happens every time
pure orchid
They want handhold advice
civic bear
then use skill bottom lane
slender terrace
Just deploy mlynar activate skill when ready
civic bear
and kill most of the waves
pure orchid
They dont even need it because their strategy is almost perfect
slender terrace
Then place your blockers once his skill ends
pure orchid
We handhold you now and its like telling you to start over when you were literally 1 step away from winning, which is way less efficient
civic bear
you got ely deployed ready ? then the problem is the archer
so archer keeps stealing dp? oh then maybe we should prekill the archer, the archer can only steal at most 9 dp each using the ammo thing (you can see they got 3 ammos)
if you kill them before they get off 3 ammos thats basicly gaining 3 dp each no
pure orchid
I wanna make an analogy with building a bridge but im so lost rn
civic bear
it might look like we are making fun of you or smth but
im genuinely trying to help
cuz if say we handhold you
ignoring whether or not its ok
if you dont learn anything you'll just keep coming back and asking for the same thing
pure orchid
oh anka you have no idea
theyre already accustomed to this lifestyle, cant really do much about it rn but just help as it is
for your case, its more like
if we handhold you
we're basically asking you to throw away a perfectly fine strategy
that only needs a slight adjusment
and starting completely from scratch will take longer than you think
lapis hornet
no need to pile onto this dude
pure raven
the guy just needs better op placement
if i can do H12-4 anyone can
not sure if he has Ela but shes a great opener with mountain and gladiia
pure orchid
not even better op placement
cyan gorge
I thought H12-4 was pretty straightforward even pre Eyja2/Shu
pure orchid
just straight up place one (1) elysium and win
civic bear
we can drop it hes trying now prob
smoky laurel
yeah
and i got a hilarious result
"just place bait for the boss"
https://medal.tv/games/ldplayer/clips/jejtXb7mJ1Bh5eEIh?invite=cr-MSxpRncsMTg5ODMyMjA3LA
yea nah
i give up
handholding is only way for me to play this game
lapis hornet
that's where you use ng s3
pure raven
i never had an issue with that part, it was always the bait that got me twice
because i forgot about it
civic bear
the boss is channeling skill there
pure raven
civic bear
so it cant eat surtr yet
lofty stag
WAIT HOLD ON YOU HAVE WALTER
civic bear
also ng skill is used so clearly its different
lofty stag
nah yall are right, you lose braincells if you use walter
smoky laurel
WAIT HOLD ON YOU HAVE WALTER
yeah, and she does no damage to the boss
wild isn't it
pure orchid
"just place bait for the boss"
https://medal.tv/games/ldplayer/clips/jejtXb7mJ1B...
insulting other people and their advice is a surefire way to get them not to give any in the future
you don't want to do this
civic bear
she does damage to the boss. the boss is just tanky as fuck
smoky laurel
insulting other people and their advice is a surefire way to get them not to giv...
i tried your advice and it failed, what else is there for me to do other than give up and wait for a handhold
civic bear
bro, go look at your old vid, you see that ng skill is up during then
in this video it is not
its literally different scenario
smoky laurel
well i'm too lazy to repeat all that now
civic bear
then just dont do it idk
smoky laurel
i got my ifrit to build
civic bear
theres nothing to gain doing it now or in 2 years anyway
regal frost
lofty stag
<:Bnuuy:926515462722973746>
hey suraj
pure orchid
laziness is often a product of being tired, go take a break and rest before you tackle the stage
no, you don't have to clear it now
smoky laurel
yeah i am tired
of this stage and that truckload of bullshit boss
pure orchid
yeah so go rest, do it later
gentle finch
xd
civic bear
its a strategy game at the end of the day
pure orchid
lazy now, not lazy later
smoky laurel
i sometimes wonder why operators have stats if they die in few hits anyway
gentle finch
thats what skills are for
civic bear
cuz if noone dies then whats the point of playing the game
nocturne cove
what is going on in here
gentle finch
๐คฏ
lofty stag
what is going on in here
skilll issue, with walter
regal frost
I think the answer is clear
it's cause we don't have rose salt for damage mitigation
pure orchid
i sometimes wonder why operators have stats if they die in few hits anyway
I mean enemies also have stats but they also die in a few hits anyways
smoky laurel
can someone handhold through h12-4
just gonna bump this and imma fuck off from here lol
smoky laurel
I mean enemies also have stats but they also die in a few hits anyways
not gonna argue so ig you're right
nocturne cove
zuo ulpi just the two duos h114
oh im trying it but
pure orchid
Im just saying the observation is pointless when it applies to both sides
smoky laurel
laziness is often a product of being tired, go take a break and rest before you ...
also i literally just woke up
civic bear
ulpi s3
civic bear
is this with glad
smoky laurel
Im just saying the observation is pointless when it applies to both sides
how come my operators die faster than the enemy then?
pure raven
i wish i had ulpi
civic bear
the duo uses ulpi mod
nocturne cove
oh?
lofty stag
the duo uses ulpi mod
so youd need gladiia for a current clear then
smoky laurel
can someone handhold through h12-4
bump
civic bear
ulpi kills mobs
lofty stag
zuole is the one tanking
with s3 right
nocturne cove
minute
regal frost
civic bear
but not in the narrow lane
nocturne cove
oh wait
civic bear
near the stair
nocturne cove
i get the vision
civic bear
so it can hold left lane
nocturne cove
i see it
civic bear
- boss
nocturne cove
mhm
civic bear
abusing s3 multi target
pure orchid
how come my operators die faster than the enemy then?
You are forgetting the existence of trash mobs
nocturne cove
imma try (but first need to get him to level 60)
gentle finch
Let him cook
nocturne cove
please dont get angry
smoky laurel
You are forgetting the existence of trash mobs
my ulpi literally died to those "trash mobs"
civic bear
different ops for different needs
nocturne cove
my ulpi literally died to those "trash mobs"
he despo needs support
nocturne cove
he isnt suited for trash mobs with fast atk interval
pure orchid
my ulpi literally died to those "trash mobs"
He was fighting the boss, not some trash mob
civic bear
because theyre known for not having the highest DPS but higher DPH generally
smoky laurel
He was fighting the boss, not some trash mob
i mean the first few tries i tried using him on holding top lane
smoky laurel
use his skill no?
s2
nocturne cove
or gladi?
pure orchid
I think you're using the wrong skill anyways tbh
smoky laurel
I think you're using the wrong skill anyways tbh
as if s3 can give him more survivability
pure orchid
as if s3 can give him more survivability
It in fact can
civic bear
good cycle so it actually works on each enemy wave there
pure orchid
6 second stun, more hp, and more damage
smoky laurel
well then show me how cause i don't feel bothered to do all that over again just to watch him die again
pure orchid
more damage meaning they can kill you less
civic bear
nah
nocturne cove
to get healing
civic bear
just like you i dont feel bothered to do it too ๐
regal frost
just place him in range of a medic
use his S3 so he can go bully enemies
wait for skill to end or cancel if he's at risk of dying
medic heals him
S3 is ready again
repeat
pure orchid
well then show me how cause i don't feel bothered to do all that over again just...
Im not going to show you how because ive already told you, many times before, that I physically cant do that
nocturne cove
just place him in range of a medic
use his S3 so he can go bully enemies
wait ...
it's so good that it comes up in sucha low time period
i love spamming it
nocturne cove
just like zuo le
smoky laurel
can someone handhold through h12-4
bump
gentle finch
XD
gentle finch
I saw
gentle finch
which one was H11-4 again
nocturne cove
which one was H11-4 again
steam knight
smoky laurel
try this maybe (i have no idea what your roster is)
half of your operators i either don't have built or don't have them at all
regal frost
i love spamming it
I've been using it with splater mod y to spal more
pure raven
rip
smoky laurel
also, video would be more understandable rather than a screenshot
like easier to redo
gentle finch
steam knight
I have to see the stage
gentle finch
is that the one with all the rocket launchers
regal frost
no
nocturne cove
is that the one with all the rocket launchers
thats normal one
gentle finch
True
regal frost
stainless, eunectes, gnosis, archetto and some others
smoky laurel
rip <:SkadiDaijoubu:839269199964798997>
oh also, gladia and ines are not built. both are sitting pretty on e1 lvl 1
gentle finch
omg ulp attacks all blocked enemies
regal frost
nocturne cove
omg ulp attacks all blocked enemies
gm
regal frost
lemme check aceship
pure raven
oh also, gladia and ines are not built. both are sitting pretty on e1 lvl 1
if you're invested into ulpi, gladiia is very good to invest into tbh
civic bear
its not about having same exact op
pure raven
also yea gladiia is there just to lanehold
civic bear
its having op that cover same role
smoky laurel
if you're invested into ulpi, gladiia is very good to invest into tbh
and i did want to invest into gladia way before ulpianus but everyone said "no, why would you lol"
now i'd have her e2 60 with module and i would do that stage long ago because ulpianus would have at least some survivability
nocturne cove
ancool it would still not be a complete waste to build gladiia for ulpi cuz she could still be useful after his mod? i have some other ops in line- hoe mumu
pure raven
because 30% dmg reduction and 3% hp regen for all AH members is not broken at all
scarlet mortar
its not about having same exact op
ancool unfortunately if they aren't 1:1 exact zero strat diff then bro isn't attempting
smoky laurel
ancool unfortunately if they aren't 1:1 exact zero strat diff then bro isn't att...
thats not what i said
gentle finch
build yall gladiias for how hot she is not to enable ulp
gentle finch
tbh the new skin that just dropped still doesn't stand up to this one
nocturne cove
<:SkadiDaijoubu:839269199964798997> because 30% dmg reduction and 3% hp regen fo...
30%dr is solid
what-
pure raven
im being sarcastic
scarlet mortar
thats not what i said
i'll wait for someone to give you a recording, every time you're here there's zero progress until then anw
gentle finch
I would try to help him but I haven't cleared that stage either anyways
smoky laurel
because why would i try something that i know won't work
gentle finch
xd
civic bear
ancool it would still not be a complete waste to build gladiia for ulpi cuz she ...
personally glad is never a waste to build to me simply because s3 is useful on her own
gentle finch
too lazy
civic bear
bro
lofty stag
personally glad is never a waste to build to me simply because s3 is useful on h...
preach anco
civic bear
its a strategy game
pure raven
i dont think me recording will be of value since he doesnt have half the ops i use for the clear
gentle finch
Why does he need a whole video
lofty stag
Why does he need a whole video
some people NEED a video
pure raven
on that note
i will prob get her module since i'll be borrowing jotaro ulpipi a lot
smoky laurel
can someone handhold through h12-4
bump
gentle finch
๐
pure raven
i sure hope he spooks me during my lappy2 pulling sesh
lofty stag
i sure hope he spooks me during my lappy2 pulling sesh <:SkadiDaijoubu:839269199...
sorry cause i cast vina victoria 
pure orchid
because why would i try something that i know won't work
Information bias: you don't know that it won't work, you just assume so
gentle finch
you know you can continue playing the stage and experimenting while you wait for someone to handhold
civic bear
i can tell you it would work but it'd requires some thought to how would it work
pure orchid
Unless you have proof that it won't work, your assumption can't be taken as knowledge
lofty stag
btw is following a guide considered handholding
smoky laurel
Information bias: you don't *know* that it won't work, you just assume so
my previous strats failed, why would i try again if its gonna have same result: everyone dying to the boss in a single hit
gentle finch
btw is following a guide considered handholding
I wouldn't say so
civic bear
bro we talked about this
nocturne cove
because why would i try something that i know won't work
people give you suggestions, they might work...you should be the one to improvise on them
gentle finch
you could take inspiration from a guide
smoky laurel
people give you suggestions, they might work...you should be the one to improvis...
i got this name for a reason
pure raven
you know you can continue playing the stage and experimenting while you wait for...
i burned through all my practice tickets for H12-4, to come up with a bunch of strats like replacing jessica with surtr while damatzi was shifting to P2 or getting the correct timing for skills. It was a fun experience tbh
pure orchid
my previous strats failed, why would i try again if its gonna have same result: ...
I mean you failed to replicate your strat that we told you to replicate, so of course it's going to fail
smoky laurel
you could take inspiration from a guide
i did many times and it never worked
gentle finch
i burned through all my practice tickets for H12-4, to come up with a bunch of s...
real, that's the fun part of ak for me besides min maxing base
pure raven
also walter exists 
gentle finch
I still remember my clear on that one mephisto stage
scarlet mortar
btw is following a guide considered handholding
handholding tends to involve the person helping tailoring a strat for the specific roster the other person has
which like, is a lot of effort
lofty stag
right
smoky laurel
also walter exists <:HellaKek:735650408340521020>
which doesn't do shit to the boss
gentle finch
used utage to chip the HP just so slightly so that the mist didn't spawn too quickly
man that clear was so fun
scarlet mortar
i'd rather just take their account and do it for them usually
pure raven
which doesn't do shit to the boss
no comment
scarlet mortar
but sth sth tos
nocturne cove
i'd rather just take their account and do it for them usually
please do
scarlet mortar
cluel
nocturne cove
get it over wth
gentle finch
i did many times and it never worked
Just continue trying lol
You can try infinitely
civic bear
i'd rather just take their account and do it for them usually
do not
pure raven
you have logos, mlynar and walter
smoky laurel
You can try infinitely
do i have the patience to do so though?
no lol
civic bear
please dont promote this behavior