strategy

[low abyss]

does it have to explicitly say

[sly pivot]

its just a hidden buff

[low abyss]

or is this a hidden text

...

[sly pivot]

[low abyss]

how long has this been a thing

[sly pivot]

since the start

[low abyss]

I dont believe you

theres plenty of CMs where it has felt like enemies were the same

[sly pivot]

thats cause 1.2x multiplier isnt that big for weaker enemies

[scarlet mortar]

every single CM has a stealth stt buff

[sly pivot]

if a dog has 1.2x more health and u nuke it with chalter it would still feel the same

no?

[low abyss]

why is this hidden

I thought the hole point of CM is the "condition"

[sly pivot]

dont ask me

why would i know the true intent of hiding this

[round hinge]

see u guys tmr afking

[spark sinew]

weren't super early cms 10% buff only

[lethal dragon]

Yeah it changed a while ago

[sly pivot]

the amount changes on whatever they feel like

🫡

[low abyss]

thats fine why hide it though

been here since launch and i have had no idea there was a buff modifier

tried gladia and her pull didnt work nor did it even drag the enemy

makes me think why she was made

and the point

[sly pivot]

🤨

[low abyss]

cool op pointless ability

[astral cosmos]

@woeful tartan accepted and set Horn, sorry it's late

[noble hollow]

Mid lane seems a bit weak no? There’s like 3 ops on it

[low abyss]

are they not hitting that chain

[noble hollow]

They hit the chain but I don’t think there’s enough dps there

A good number of the assassins go mid as well as the guitar guys

[low abyss]

no when saria is blocking whoever: are they on the chain

[noble hollow]

Yeah they should still be on it

Chain isn’t gonna make enemies hit less hard or less frequent tho

[low abyss]

ok, just making sure nothing cheesy is happening

[noble hollow]

Id move typhon over to mid lane

Pretty sure Chen + ray is just gonna vaporize most things that try to leave the right lane

Also consider just letting the big mech things just walk and bleed out

Since they lose hp over time after touching chains

Save ur ammo for later

[low abyss]

dont they have to be on chains to lose health

[noble hollow]

I don’t think?

They only lose 3% hp/s tho

So ur gonna have to stall them for a bit or they’re gonna leak

[round hinge]

739 dp never been so rich

[noble hollow]

What happens when you never retreat your vanguards

[lethal dragon]

You get a lot of dp

[noble hollow]

Thanks Sherlock

[lethal dragon]

Where My fee

[mild wind]

sorry i bought food with it

[lethal dragon]

.......

Hope you get isekaied to terra

[hasty pebble]

dunno about Virtuosa, but her attack range is good fit for both sides

Mlynar is probably overkill

[round hinge]

new annihlation

[glass monolith]

Ah yes. "Spawnkill while the enemy have 0 energy" the event

[crude oak]

you guys S1M3 Ascalon? or SL7 plenty?

[regal frost]

I did s2m3, don't see the point in S1

[cyan gorge]

I like s1m3 for IS spinach shenanigans or afk

[crude oak]

I did S2M3 as well, but AFK stuff is fun

I also considered Mizuki for AFK content instead, but Ascalon seems to carry weight

[cyan gorge]

Her damage is good and still gets a good amount of slow from her talent

S2 is better 90% of the time though

[vernal lion]

or you can just do it easier

[nocturne cove]

Only 3 ops

That's something

[hazy sinew]

are the ascalon timings tight?

[vernal lion]

yes

pretty much it's dps check, atk pot would be a prio

I mean, this is afk tho

only afk skill here

[full terrace]

For the most part, no. One or two waves seem tight but her DoT clutched it. This is pard's strat btw, posted just few hours ago.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LJgPd7a1X-Q&pp=ygUPQW5uaWhpbGF0aW9uIDI4

[vernal lion]

yes

kinda just a dps issue

[neat skiff]

Skalter module is pog.

[celest bluff]

what the fuck

[neat skiff]

Pretty much only enemy 300 is a concern since the DoT kills him 3/4 of the way into the blue box.

[celest bluff]

what about adding one more op

[neat skiff]

It's 3 ops. You only have 5 more deploy slots and 9 more squad slots.

Even throwing one or two level 1 trust farm ops in the way to slow them down will work.

If you want to keep no vanguard, bring along a robot.

[glass monolith]

"Just add more op". Which part of vanguard less annihilation you missed?

[neat skiff]

So, Ascalon has no pots, Logos has 1 pot, Skalter was max pot.

[lethal dragon]

Hmm

[neat skiff]

From Pard.

[dapper hedge]

Asc mod3

[neat skiff]

Yeah, she gets no attack from her pots so she actually needs that 1% DoT boost.

Unless you want to bring other ops specifically for enemy 300.

[scarlet mortar]

vigil go

[full terrace]

Mod3 is for her raw atk, 1% is not much, the 1k total raw atk from Mod3 is what makes the increase noticeable because her skill and Skalter amplify it.

[spark sinew]

1% is from mod2 anyway...

[full terrace]

👆

Btw speaking of Ascalon, I started choosing these 2 Collectibles whenever I see one. I was never a big fan of using Ambushers in IS before, but changed my mind ever since Ascalon.

She dodges all the time, thats basically perma +200%, was awesome.

[lethal dragon]

842×(1+2.2+1.25+1.8)
= 5262
Is this calculation right for Wis

[gritty bear]

what is that

[lethal dragon]

Where to add her talent 1 extra attack
Is it final multiplier
I am so confused
Or is it just her base atk x 1.5

[lethal dragon]

Wisadel

Trying to figure her S3 dph

And other dphs

Idk what were they smoking when they were adding all these multipliers

[gritty bear]

HELP let me check

[spark sinew]

@smoky halo fib dalao

[smoky halo]

whar

[lethal dragon]

Hauck is only good for base calculation

[lethal dragon]

Help

[smoky halo]

on what

842 is her atk with mod3?

[lethal dragon]

Mhm

90 from trust
65 from mod

687 is her actual atk

[smoky halo]

main hit on main target:
842 x 2.8 (+180% atk buff) x 2.2 (220% atk scale) x 1.25 (125% atk scale)

[spark sinew]

how rude

[smoky halo]

just remove the x1.25 if not main target

[lethal dragon]

That's not rude that's love

[lethal dragon]

Ohhh thanks
IC
Btw how does her talent 1 extra hit works
Is it just atk x 1.5

[smoky halo]

atk x atk buff (cause s3 gives atk buff) x 1.75 (atk scale of the talent 1 hit)

its 175% atk scale with mod3

they cooked with all the multipliers

[lethal dragon]

😭

[smoky halo]

afaik the talent 1 hit doesnt benefit from the x1.25 atkscale to main target

[young harness]

Why does everyone have

[spark sinew]

dw, they're not used anyway

[lapis hornet]

so we can gloat at ppl who don't haven't them

[lethal dragon]

Plebs

[stiff beacon]

What a moment when you realize you just leak the boss, federal prison huh

[stiff beacon]

how do you even kill the boss?

i can't even dent the wine holding first phase

[somber falcon]

Iirc it was basically just make him tankable
Either with statsticks and sanctuary/-atk or stunlock

[young harness]

I need help on BB-S-4
The problem being:

1. assassins
2. Not enough heals?

[pure orchid]

Use chains and kill from range

If you must block, use a brick

[vivid rain]

If you cant tank assasins dont block them

They’ll dash and bypass the slow from being chained

[polar crane]

horn s1 big help

[young harness]

Dodge

[polar crane]

its not 100% horn can chip their hp

[pure orchid]

Horn reveal, someone else dps

[polar crane]

they dance around for very long

[pure orchid]

Popular option is typhon

[stiff beacon]

all my ops get nuked though

[scarlet mortar]

should've had better ops

cc still works on him btw

[somber falcon]

Well yeah it's not a strat for a half-raised team

[civic bear]

show squad

its p hard

[keen gull]

Ancool dalao

Can u help me woth h12-4 after i get wis

[civic bear]

do it now smh

[keen gull]

Nah im about to shower

Almost did it ysterday

But the shu dont have mod

[noble pewter]

Show ur roster, if u have 4 tanky ppl u can let assassins come to u instead

[young harness]

I ended up with this

There was a sniper in front of lapp’s position

So the two that ran are gundam kids

[somber falcon]

Set up on the left instead
That chain is practically useless since it's behind your ground ops

[noble pewter]

Ya I think u can try setup all left, maybe borrow a typhon

[young harness]

I have mine thanks

[lunar mural]

is it normal for arknights to be hard even if i have these units

like its so hard everyday

i cant beat without youtubing

but even with you i still lose

[polar crane]

it just that this event is hard

[keen gull]

The thing that makes arknights easy is laneholders

[polar crane]

next 6 months event are all easier dw

[lunar mural]

thank god bless my small pea brain

[keen gull]

Even is5?

[polar crane]

is5 pre expansion is ez

[keen gull]

Alrigh

[dusky grove]

Honestly
Yes

Tho well

You probably should get more e2

Amd mastery

[fiery marsh]

You dont have a lot of e2 tho, but babel in specifc is a hard event

[whole sand]

yeah you just need more (strong) e2 ops, when I had your number of e2s I struggled quite a bit on ex and cm stages, especially if it were event mechanics that couldn't be ignored

once you have a full or mostly e2 team it should feel a lot smoother for you

[lunar mural]

oooooooo

i guess i just have to clear story first

but its so stupid the level gap from enemy and my units not cool

[lunar mural]

because i dont have most of the materials needed stage unlocked for e2

[young harness]

Gundam kids keep bypassing my defenses on the left

[whole sand]

but it still depends on what e2s we're talking about, some aren't gonna make that much of an impact ofc

[somber falcon]

What chapter are you in
Those 6* are mostly old ops, their mats should be easily farmed

[whole sand]

yeah that's how it is at first but eventually you'll start steamrolling through stuff once your roster is more solid so enjoy your early days while you still can

[somber falcon]

Make a chain between your ground ops there so they always touch it

[young harness]

But they never get slowed

Even if the chains are there

Strange💀

Like no chains existed

[somber falcon]

Wait which guy are you talking abt
The unblockable ones or the lancers

[civic bear]

is ur deploy order correct

the chain doesnt reach operator center tile

so u need proper placement

[young harness]

Unblockable ones
Who else has gundams

[stiff beacon]

@civic bear

[somber falcon]

Pretty sure they don't get slowed
Also stage has speed buff anyways

[stiff beacon]

i really wish i had pinecone

she seems so useful

[young harness]

Now I’m down to 1 plan chip

[civic bear]

can u give the link to the guide ur referencing

[stiff beacon]

btw what does utage do?

[stiff beacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soy_kkZilk4&t=15s

[civic bear]

arts dmg

[stiff beacon]

mildly interested in raising viviana as my only art guard lmao

wait is she an art guard or lord?

[civic bear]

arts guard

utage isnt arts guard tho

utage is musha

soloblade

she deals arts dmg from skill only

[young harness]

What happens

It was breeze first

[civic bear]

btw you can just use vigil

for beanstalk

does the job

[somber falcon]

If you're using 3 ops there you can stretch the chain to the entire lane

[civic bear]

no need level really

[stiff beacon]

i wonder if i could replace her with midnight, or perhaps cutter (i think i might build cutter after finish building vigna)

[stiff beacon]

frfr?

[civic bear]

beanstalk is used to abuse token not dying thus making flame never spread which all tactician can work

u just need stronger dps to kill the soldier on the right

[stiff beacon]

oh this?

wow i didn't realize it was possible to stop the fire

[civic bear]

midnight cant replace utage

utage does a lot of helidrop arts dmg

[stiff beacon]

mmmm

[civic bear]

ur only e2 carry is kaltsit hmm

kaltsit kinda sucks here lol

[stiff beacon]

too bad this has high defense

[civic bear]

ye

only arts can kill em

hmmm doesnt seem like u even have the ops to do 620

u have to settle for lower

no

cars has like 2k+ def

[stiff beacon]

it's the cars that have high defense

[young harness]

This works before the weavers kicks in

[civic bear]

50 res

yes

and utage is to kill cars

[stiff beacon]

i could use mon3ter to kill the cars like i did in one of the rewards

[civic bear]

620 tho no

[willow nacelle]

Look good for replace their position

[stiff beacon]

fair i do need someone else tanking for mon3ter to actually live

[civic bear]

and u cant use mosnter skill either cuz kaltsit in reeds

technically you could setup vigil+kaltsit on the right side

not ideal tho

[stiff beacon]

i mean i guesss it's more possible to tank

[somber falcon]

breeze > cuora > the other two
should work assuming they don't leak past

[civic bear]

ye better to go the full tank way and drop atk up

but that needs defender high lvl too

so

[young harness]

Testifying it tomorrow already out of chips

[somber falcon]

just use your sanity

it's just -1 on fail

[willow nacelle]

Any suggestion?

[civic bear]

noone goes to degen line specificly so i'd place her under thorns to help killing mobs instead. gg can face up to help right and left of hers

i dont think virtuosa does anything there too. she doesnt deal tick dmg

[stiff beacon]

you make me want to e1 level0 virgil lmao

[civic bear]

vigil works at e0 bro

u only use him for the abuse

[stiff beacon]

btw why is virgil "bad"?

[civic bear]

its a vanguard

too expensive subpar utility mid damage even for vanguard standard

[stiff beacon]

i mean vanguards are fine, so it's just the damage?

are his summons that bad?

[civic bear]

tactician dp gen arent exactly good either so they work like pioneer to handle early wave mobs

[young harness]

Need time to recover

[civic bear]

his summon are pretty squishy

[young harness]

In real life sanity 7/131

💀

[stiff beacon]

ooh no borrow, perhaps a usable strat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EUDi0E_vHw

[civic bear]

u need max 4* for that

u dont have max 4*

its more about the levels rather than the rarity

[stiff beacon]

oh

[civic bear]

if all ur op are like e2 ish even the previous strat is possible

[willow nacelle]

Okay ty

[civic bear]

careful tho fia can die there from dragons skill

[stiff beacon]

@civic bear i think i found something

[civic bear]

p sure that one borrows surtr

could be wrong

[stiff beacon]

oh wait nevermind

i got baited

[civic bear]

this cc is just hard for normal squad

it requires too specific of a comp

id just settle for lower risk

same strat as the one before

[stiff beacon]

this really wants me to pull for surtr lmao

[stiff beacon]

sad i want medals :(

[civic bear]

also isnt tw still not even on week 2 right now

that need phase 4 no

[stiff beacon]

true

[zinc flume]

ain't there more risks later on

[stiff beacon]

yeah

@civic bear should i look on bilibili?

[civic bear]

afaik

bilibili guides were the same

even the lowest was single core

which is the same as the vid u sent

its surtr core

[stiff beacon]

damn, people just be copying hw lmao

[civic bear]

there is one guide using ceobe

[stiff beacon]

i think i'll base it on mr. gotcha's guide then

should i build jessica though?

[civic bear]

no

[stiff beacon]

why?

i only have 4 sniper built (not including ranger)

perhaps i should use casters to replace some?

[civic bear]

her dmg is not that good

better off leveling like aciddrop even

[smoky halo]

the surtr core needs u official 🥹

[stiff beacon]

could i use something insane like mon3ter death stun?

[civic bear]

if u just drop like a few tens of points on cars to lower their hp u dont need much

[smoky halo]

u official bypasses deploy limit

[civic bear]

technically can but the problem is deploy limit

[willow nacelle]

Replace on virtousa?

[civic bear]

what skill is virt on

[smoky halo]

you also kinda want a surtr with pots

[willow nacelle]

3?

[civic bear]

i tho ela already deployed

honestly doesnt really matter too much

id use ptilo

[civic bear]

just for better cycling on skill honestly

[willow nacelle]

[civic bear]

the classic win harder

i dont thin theres deploy slot anyway

so its kinda dead

others in ur team already carries hard

especially GG

[willow nacelle]

Okay

[civic bear]

also u can leak the smoll thing that spawns after u kill something cuz they dont count towards 400 kills

so dont panic if u leak

[willow nacelle]

Okay

[civic bear]

as long as u read the enemy count = x/400

[stiff beacon]

honestly i can't believe he's using yato over gravel because of dp cost lmao

[civic bear]

cant use gravel

specialist ban

yato next closest thing

[willow nacelle]

I'll use pl

[stiff beacon]

ohhhhh

[willow nacelle]

Another medic

[stiff beacon]

@civic bear my existence after seeing all my ops needing grindstones and i haven't even done finished ep10 yet

anyways i found someone to borrow her

[stiff beacon]

should i at least give him rank 4 skills?

so his summons can not instantly die from the fireballs

also i find it every interesting he mostly only uses s1

i don't know if not having meteor will work or not

actually perhaps podence is usable?

wow

uh huh

oh wait ely e2 talent

[narrow pendant]

Why are u posting yt comments wtfart

[stiff beacon]

i'm trying to replace ops to do stuff

[smoky halo]

you cant replace e1 ely with e1 myrtle

i tried too

bro makes too much dp

[young harness]

I did it

[gritty bear]

congrats

[stiff beacon]

finally a time when average dp generation is important

[young harness]

In real life sanity and in game sanity both 0/131 when clear

[gritty bear]

me in IS

[smoky halo]

dp gen is always important in -dp environments

[willow nacelle]

I need more arts dps

[stiff beacon]

usually it's getting down everything that more important, unless if you keep removing and deploying ops

[heady hedge]

wow should i use bagpipe myrtle ely wanqing sail

[smoky halo]

[heady hedge]

is this enough dp bbg

[smoky halo]

nice squad name

[dapper hedge]

Need modded vigil to be enough

[heady hedge]

hey that was when i playd males last time

i still havent changed

[lethal dragon]

Fully functional squad

[civic bear]

not even e2d

[spark sinew]

so few vangs

[wise perch]

im dying of skill issue
how do i deal with scissorhands

[civic bear]

scissorhand doesnt deal damage to the guy its blocking

just dont have anyone within 4 adjacent to it

[wise perch]

how do i not have anyone within 4 adjacent while blocking

[civic bear]

wat map

[wise perch]

the uh part with the 4 maps first one

[regal frost]

S1?

[civic bear]

bbs1

[wise perch]

bbs1

man yknow what chalter

[civic bear]

block those places

just two is enough

three if u want

if 4 you could make a diamond instead

[wise perch]

been doing that
still getting my arse whooped by CM

stupid knife fellas

[civic bear]

can u ss

your setup

could be order of deployment

cuz chain mechanic

[wise perch]

my setup falls apart and changes every wave lol

i think im just gonna try and facetank with hoshi

[weak gazelle]

ohh that map
i just clear it few moments ago
yeah avoid adjacent placement

[wise perch]

ok bruh hoshi is cracked

she trivialize it lol

[glass monolith]

I just placed Saria Nearl on top left middle left and went cooking bottom

And then Nearl run out of SP and died But that's less important part of story

[full terrace]

Small correction, burdenbeasts pathing is like this

[pine notch]

@pearl breach

[sterile delta]

you should have more than enough damage, where are you dying

[glad forge]

what stage is dis

[pearl breach]

Lemme cook smth for you. Borrow is fine right?

[sterile delta]

bb s 4 cm

[pearl breach]

As usual bbs4 cm

[pine notch]

Yeah

Borrow is fine, I don't mind having to redo it next time

Hopefully by then I'll be able to handle this better

[spark sinew]

you would need to redo cm regardless

since you can't auto them ever

[pearl breach]

You have myrtle and ely build right?

[pine notch]

S1m3 myrtle, s2m3 ely

Saileach is M9 if needed

[glad forge]

u can do it with this

might need 1-2 extra units for the assassins

[pine notch]

Those damn assassins

[glad forge]

position is as followings, activate chalter when the guitar guy shows up, use mizuki s2 or s3

ur gonna need to drop ur vgs/frd for the assassins at around 44-48

[spark sinew]

does it statcheck cm?

oh it should, just read context above

[glad forge]

i think it should

i ran out of tickets

[pine notch]

Vgs/Frd?

Ah

Vanguards Fast Redeploy

[pearl breach]

done

just need to borrow shu

qb can be replace with thorn

[pine notch]

Well I've got 2 strats to try then !

[pearl breach]

I dont have thorn and need to borrow chalter. so I can copy ur squad

[pine notch]

It's fine

Nearl S2 for instant skill or s3 for True DMG?

[pearl breach]

s2 just to delete those cutter mobs when they are on ifrit range

wanna see it on voice chat?

[pine notch]

Sure, gimme a min

ty, I'll try that then !

[pearl breach]

gl

[eager mica]

hi i’m a newer player (chapter 3) and i am looking to make a new squad since im not really happy with my current one
i would like to keep gravel, my 2 medics and my 3 6 stars (archetto , thorn and ebenhoktz) in my squad, but the rest is changeable
what operators should i remove and replace with?

current squad

[regal frost]

you're not interested in rerolling are you?

[eager mica]

no

[regal frost]

who did you pick with 5* ticket btw
nvm didn't see lap

[acoustic slate]

You can kick durnar and Estelle (and replace them with Lappland and spot)

Perfumer and Sussurro will be much better investments than myrrh

Thorns won’t contribute much until he’s e2

Overall, don’t worry too much about it until after you finish your limited banner pulls in the coming days, since that will hopefully give you some more ops to consider

[eager mica]

i’ve just been playing with whatever operators i like so far and it’s been going ok but some stages need a couple tries to get through

[eager mica]

i think lappland, some people said she was good but i replaced her with thorn cus i got him right after

from a free 10 ticket pull

[acoustic slate]

She’s better than him at elite 1 tbh

[regal frost]

thorns is kinda defective till e2

[eager mica]

is spot better than beagle?

[acoustic slate]

Yes, slightly less tanky but being able to sustain himself and others helps

[eager mica]

oh ok i’ll just wait until i can e2 him then

[acoustic slate]

Oh you have cuora, she’s a very good tank

[clever hedge]

he's got good pocket healing, beagle doesn't offer too much
Use cuora if you got her yeah

[eager mica]

ok

who should i replace thorns with?

this is what i have now

[acoustic slate]

He can stay for now, imo. It’s just that he gains a lot from e2. I wouldn’t expect much from him. Make sure you get those e0 to e1 too

[eager mica]

ok sounds good

yep i just did e1 and level 40 for all

except lappland i’m out of chips and need to wait for the cycle

[bright pebble]

Is it possible to beat the game without rare gacha units 🤔

[regal frost]

what counts as rare

limited?

[acoustic slate]

You can beat basically all reward-giving content with 4 stars only

[bright pebble]

Like small chance of getting them

[regal frost]

6*s are 2% but with pity and the amount of pulls we get, you'll end up with a lot of them

[glad forge]

there are people who clears with 4*s, freebie units only and all other wacky ass teamcomps. Definitely. The game is just easier if u have the broken ops but its not impossible, (this doesnt not include high risk CCs)

[cyan gorge]

As long as you know your fundamentals, you can clear all content with anyone you want.

[brazen plank]

send help... anyone got any idea how i can do bb-s-1 cm and bb-s-4 cm? 2 and 3 i beat it, stuck with 1 and 4

thanks in advance

[cyan gorge]

Borrow a Shu for S-4

[eager turtle]

Guys since everything now is Typhoon, who else can be helpfull on this right side of the map?

[cyan gorge]

Horn

[main basalt]

wouldnt it be better to wait till enemies group up on the left then kill them with aoe?

[eager turtle]

almost worked, but the CD is higher than the waves

[glad forge]

Penance iirc solos the right side

[brazen plank]

And then? I need to know the squad and placement

[cyan gorge]

I only know my clear method

I lost the CM screenshot

[glad forge]

u could try this?

Mizuki can be used with Mlynar and a unit to block, e.g mudmud

[eager turtle]

ifrit is not helping to kill the big guy, and i don't have Typhoon, anyone who can fill this position?

[cyan gorge]

Dude is invisible

[glad forge]

have u tried swapping gg and eyja

[flint falcon]

let them touch chain on the right and they'll bleed out soon enough

[cyan gorge]

nvm wrong guy

[glad forge]

who are u borrowing?

[cyan gorge]

Use chains to damage them

[sick knoll]

ethan or anyone who can do any stalling ig

[glad forge]

@trail kite this is my middle, u just put a 0 block unit with chain in front of ur blocker

[eager turtle]

this worked for that part

[eager turtle]

i don't have any deploy left

[glad forge]

im not too sure if saria really does much here aside from tanking the blink

[brazen plank]

Literally half of what u using i dont hv how to copy 💀

There’s a reason i post what i have

I can only borrow 1 and all of u have use more than one unit i dont hv

[trail kite]

i was honestly this close... a small misplay on my part and got rekt

Gnosis and Ines are real MVP.. Gnosis freezing those assassins does the trick, and Ines can stop the fast moving lancers by herself

[glad forge]

just use mlynar + one blocker instead of mizuki and u can use eyjaberry over gg can be subbed with eyja and u can borrow ascalon, u have yato and texalter for panick buttons

[brazen plank]

But you use ines, isnt like that is more core bcoz of the assasin than ascalon? But then ascalon the dps for right side 💀

Nvm i’ll try it later when i wake up thx

[glad forge]

Ines wouldn't matter since shes not used in #strategy message
But i get what u mean, its just the guy i was cooking the strat for has ines but shes not strictly necessary. U can just deploy a frd behind ur blocker to eat the blink

[full terrace]

The big guy loses HP per second when chained. Create a chain at its spawnbox here using some cheap operators (Lancet 2 and Justice Knight are pretty good since they dont consume Deployment Limit), by the time the big guy reaches the left side it will have half HP left, few hits from Ifrit and Blaze should take care of it.

I got pinged but I didnt see any message 😅

[glass monolith]

Why not kill ballista before anything starts?

[full terrace]

Hmm?

[glass monolith]

i seen deleted "I have no op to kill top right ballista" like message

[full terrace]

Ahh

[eager turtle]

i deleted the msg cuz i wanted to try again, but the big guy hits then

[eager turtle]

ok, i did it with the most brute force i could make, thx everyone for the help.

[full terrace]

Awesome, congrats!

[celest solstice]

Im scared, what do I do I got so far

My collectibles are art based

[celest solstice]

I forgot I had the invisible ranged ops

It was a breeze knowing they cant attack shit

[next wigeon]

I do wonder why you using Arts in the IS that has absurd amount of Res for enemies

Word of advice Burst down Skalter

You do not want her in her Seaborn Form

[celest solstice]

No I burst her down easy with Virtuosa + Eyja

Even in seaborn form

Now I wanna do ed 3

It was ed 4 iirc? The one I did

[narrow pendant]

No, skalter is ed3

[celest solstice]

wait what

How do you get ed 4 then?

reedic is essential there right?

[narrow pendant]

Pick the other option from the encouter

[next wigeon]

This is ending 3

[celest solstice]

The -100 one? Ok

[next wigeon]

Plus get the Caerula Arbor encounter

[narrow pendant]

Ye

[celest solstice]

Ill go do a run ig

[smoky halo]

tierlist for is3ed4

reedic stinks

the trashmob have patriot stats

but low weight

so well shifters just have a fieldday

[royal delta]

this is a joke right

[pure orchid]

Idt so

[strange fable]

Thats not updated

[smoky halo]

how is it a joke?

have you never seen the stage?

[strange fable]

Here fib

[smoky halo]

why is mag so high

[strange fable]

I reaarranged some stuff

[smoky halo]

[strange fable]

Mag is broken shes used in relicless

I learned the error of my ways

[smoky halo]

wtf...

[strange fable]

I kicked zuo le i was coping too hard

[smoky halo]

definitely zuo is coping

bro does nothing

[spark sinew]

why would it be

although lee seems way too high

i think you should separate starve and push

like, weedy is good in both for example

[strange fable]

Yeah maybe

[spark sinew]

lee is eh in push

[strange fable]

Its hard making tierlists 🫡

[spark sinew]

core also, while obvious to those in the know, can be confusing if you look at it directly

like it's hool or ange, but gladiia and phantom

also am i missing something, what does og yato do

[strange fable]

Gonna be fr the tierlist is incomprehensible to normal people

[spark sinew]

outside of you having pioneer hand maybe, or redeploy relics

[strange fable]

Gravel but 0 hope

Jelly reveal

Not very fast tho

For redeploy time

[spark sinew]

cooldown is still very high for 2 reveals no?

[strange fable]

Yeah but its something still worthwhile for 0 hope

On a ticket with less competition than Spec

[spark sinew]

maybe i just never figured out how to reveal

[smoky halo]

the angle is to get metastatic yato

[spark sinew]

almost any reveal outside of super early ones seem more dangerous than jellies

[strange fable]

i heard all u need for reveal is like kal/yato/1 more body

[spark sinew]

and revealing even 2 (even if you don't reveal shieldguard that will bash everyone to death or mortar that kills everyone) doesn't help when there's 50 more coming

[strange fable]

But idk i usually over prepare for my starves

[spark sinew]

oh, starve

yeah makes sense

no Lee so my every starve was fucked when i tried

granted i didn't try too much

[smoky halo]

i still need to find someone to teach me push

[spark sinew]

ask poly!

[smoky halo]

poly doesnt know how prolly

[spark sinew]

he does

[smoky halo]

he doesnt have ange hool

how did he learn then

[spark sinew]

he very much does know

[smoky halo]

[strange fable]

He learned from Fib

[smoky halo]

wtf...

🥹

[strange fable]

Fib is so good at starve that he starves irl

[spark sinew]

poly was the one who shared all those chinese tips for pushing i think

[smoky halo]

😭

[spark sinew]

and consumed plenty of bili vids
so he knows the mechanics for sure

[smoky halo]

truly dalao

[strange fable]

i found Vulpis math

Apparently

100 to 120 aspd increase then 0.5 sec stun

erm the decay didnt seem that fast in the stream so prob stunlocks decently well

[heady hedge]

Same its 0.1dp/s

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/860938025315467275.png?quality=lossless&name=yoyogirlstare&size=64

[hazy sinew]

so 10% buff?

[compact shoal]

Is that gonna make annihilation regenerate dp? I know u can get 1 dp by waiting long enough in anni even without her

[hazy sinew]

sorry if you dont want ping replies

[hazy sinew]

she isnt out and youre expecting her to be tested?

[compact shoal]

Well we are talking bout math

Whether its multiplying the dp regen by 1.1 or just add +0.1 to dp regen

[willow nacelle]

Put degen next to mlaynar?

[hazy sinew]

like a ptilopsis regen marcille angle?

gotcha

[hazy sinew]

doenst seem like a bad idea

[willow nacelle]

Need a mulberry for this on burning

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669489344658014208/744508419142057984/Screen_Recording_20200816-174252.gif

Now we will be able generate 1 dp in less than 3 days

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1285367378703552553.png?quality=lossless&name=KeqCinema&size=64

Cinema

[compact shoal]

Whoever test truly did great sacrifice for giving us this awesome knowledge

[willow nacelle]

Boss died at degen and Myanmar skill

While virtousa debuff them

[celest solstice]

Question, how was I supposed to defeat IS-4 Izumik?

I died

[full terrace]

Higher difficulty requires a set of good Collectibles, mainly for dps.

Lower difficulty just brute force it using AoE units.

[celest solstice]

Dif 1

I had reed and shit

why are those jellyfish so tanky

[full terrace]

Like this #strategy message

There is also a Weedy push strat but you need the +2 shift strength collectible

[strange fable]

70 to 90 res

[celest solstice]

I also had typhon and exu, worthless

whats the def?

[strange fable]

ik its 2000 at d15

Lemme check d0

Oh its the same

[celest solstice]

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KILL THEM?

[full terrace]

If you can get Fincatcher's Shawl you dont need to worry about your survival.

[celest solstice]

I didnt get it

[strange fable]

🤫

[celest solstice]

Why so many pullers

Is there a hole in the map?

[strange fable]

theres like multiple

Really the strat for d0 is wait for wisadel 🛏️

[celest solstice]

I only have Mosti, Hool, and Mlynar here

I do have Yato and Doro

[celest solstice]

If I dont get her I aint borrowing

[full terrace]

They are for Weedy push strat. Basically you use a bunch of pushers/pullers to push the jellyfish toward Izumik. When his HP is full, he will lose the invulnerability. You time it well so that Weedy with the +2 Shift Strength relic can push him into the hole up there.

Izumik relies on relics regardless of what strat you use.

Another thing I usually do when I dont have a good collection of relics, is to block the jellyfish transforming them to random enemies, and kill them. If you can prevent them from reaching Izumik long enough, he will not do the Arts wave explosion and he will start with a really low HP.

True damage is your best friend. I usually draft S3M3 caster Amiya especially with Civilight Eterna and Fincatcher's Shawl.

[celest solstice]

I was very unlucky, 75% of my ops got struck with frozen for first 15 seconds

Like wtf was I supposed to do?

[full terrace]

That's the beauty of Izumik stage. Low light = many operators with Rejection. 😄

If you get the Caerula Ritual early, you can recover Light at higher speed.

[celest solstice]

Well I got it 4th floor

So I cant do shit

Wait no

2nd floor, but I got fucked with double and triple rejection

[full terrace]

When I'm going for Izumik I usually try to get the Caerula Ritual at 2nd/3rd floor.

[stiff beacon]

how much does AP-5 give?

[flint falcon]

20+

[stiff beacon]

hmmm gotcha

I'll do a few now

[stiff beacon]

is it wrong to farm red certs if you have spare sanity or should i use farm 1-7 rocks

[narrow pendant]

U dont farm 1-7 unless u need the rocs

Either for crafting or orundum farmin

[stiff beacon]

i have like 6, 15 high purity, 2 packs, 6 cubes, and 88 low tier rocks

I assume i would need more for other ops after getting and raising shu and w

[smoky halo]

weedy

they have low weight so u just push them

[scarlet mortar]

lee with the shift book can also shove jellyfish

ok if you want to fight it with minimum cheese there's the no learning strat

cluel

[spark sinew]

while true, it's like

you always will need rocks

[spark sinew]

jellies are weight 0 so he shoves them anyway

[spark sinew]

red certs books chips are something you would need to farm anyway, because "natural" sources give very little

so it's always a good idea to do some of those outside of events

[stiff beacon]

[spark sinew]

does TW have x6 auto

just checking

[stiff beacon]

i'm kind of hesitant to farm from other less efficient mat stages and since i don't have that much time to keep doing new stages i think i'll just farm that then

[spark sinew]

yeah long term you just farm events only for those mats

even for crystal

[stiff beacon]

yeah but x4 auto is probably all i need

on the side note, are really all those 5 star ops that "bad"?

[spark sinew]

compared to 6*? pretty much

worse than 4*? that's not true

[stiff beacon]

breeze and honeyberry, i'm asking since i won't be pulling for a while until shu/ela/w shows up

[spark sinew]

really really not worth 600

breeze might actually be worse than 4*

honey is purely elemental healer, her raw hp healing is shit, and it's very rarely relevant enough that you need to actually heal it

[stiff beacon]

damn :( i wonder if they are usable for cc1 though

[spark sinew]

healers? sounds unlikely

although medal clears can probably use honey on the right

[stiff beacon]

yeah since the fire is kind of annoying

@spark sinew Oh yeah, you know how beanstalk's crab can stop the fire right?

how does that work, and would using vigil's wolfs work?

[strange fable]

it works bc

beanstalk summon always occupies the tile

even if its dead

[spark sinew]

same with stainless

[stiff beacon]

so it blocks by just being there?

[spark sinew]

basically

[stiff beacon]

so technically any op can do that if it can survive the fire?

[spark sinew]

i think either vigil or mumu don't?

idr at this point

i mean that's the entire mechanic...

you block the fire to extinguish it

[stiff beacon]

if only i actually played the main story pass that :(

[stiff beacon]

wait, doesn't vigil wolfs drop their soul though?

[spark sinew]

go check

i'm not 100% sure, but i remember some tactician being weird about it

[stiff beacon]

i can't even kill this mob

[civic bear]

all of them does

[stiff beacon]

the e2 talent on ely really helps that

and placing may down first doesn't even work

damn the stat difference between lvl 50 and 60 is real

[civic bear]

any atk stat good. trust too

[stiff beacon]

and i can't even block with yato she gets one shot

let me try ely s2

i think i might need to just leak it

but then that means i need to kill one of those flying things

[south bone]

does zuo le and/or exealter have a good tile on S-4?

[stiff beacon]

yeah 600 is not possible to block

[tawdry path]

Zuo le is good on the left lane

S3 tho

[south bone]

yeah that's fine i have him

where though?

[tawdry path]

Like near the blue box, after your brick

[tawdry path]

though get him low first if possible

[willow nacelle]

Well blaze is solo on back

[south bone]

the one in front of turret?

well that could prob work

[tawdry path]

Id kill the turrets first tho

[willow nacelle]

Get elemental dmg healer like mulberry or in that shop

Fire dmg gonna toast your unit

[maiden hound]

wait for rs and get harold

[willow nacelle]

Mulberry carry this team on burning

[south bone]

ohh i thought it will be advantageous to him, since it will always lower his hp for faster sp

[tawdry path]

nah he'll need continuous enemies to supply the shield, the enemy influx is too inconsistent

[stiff beacon]

i might need to give up on 620 this cc

too hard

quite a pain

[vital vessel]

wtf

you have mlynar too

[north comet]

this stage does not like me

[tepid stag]

bb-s-4, right?

[north comet]

challenge mode

[civic bear]

hmmm that squad looks strong

do you remember your setup ?

[north comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLXm_e5ktdo&t=251s I tried this three nights in a row, I got close but dmg just got fucked at the end for no reason.

[civic bear]

here

[tepid stag]

this how i got it (not cm sc, but strat is the same)
replace ascalon for ethan, all you need from him is to stall, chance mudrock for penance (i dont think she can charge s3 in time so maybe s2 for sanctuary can do the trick)
mlynar instead of chong, but need to get timings right
jessalter s1 to stall
same with shu
borrow eijaf
execalter instead of blaze (?)
reedalter where skalter facing top side to heal when guitarist come

when enemy counter reaches 44, retreat ambusher and use deploy surtr above where blaze is

[north comet]

do you have that recorded by chance or just screenshot?

[tepid stag]

sc

[north comet]

shu on s1?

[tepid stag]

ye

she was s1l7 mod3 there

[civic bear]

smth like this works

you could set up everything on the left too

[north comet]

eijaf as in the healer right?

or no

[civic bear]

or you could follow above yes

[civic bear]

for healer

degen bottom leftat chongyue place

[north comet]

this only shows 4 units...? (am I missing something?)

[civic bear]

the remaining can be varied

those are just possible option

exalt degen mlynar. could also be ethan instead in mlynar place, and then mlynar 1 tile above instead

its just the idea that matters

enemy all need to hit the chain

makes thing easy

except the flamethrower, u just bait once and then kill it

[north comet]

mk

wait so do you want me to follow the image you sent or the one the other guy sent

[civic bear]

the possible leak would only be the big guy , which warrants crowd control if you set up on bottom left

either

both are basicly the same thing

[north comet]

got it

[civic bear]

one i sent setup three op so you can kill the right side assassin easier

cuz exalt+degen should destroys every enemy going middle

[north comet]

should I be following a similar pattern to the tutorial I sent or do you have a different method of deploying on this

the green lines are kinda vauge

[civic bear]

the tutorial u got works

it should make the same chain sequence regardless

all that matters

these are the main important chain if u setup like these

if u setup all left ignore the chain on the right

[north comet]

I'll see what I can do, confused as hell but thats probably just tiredness getting to me.

[analog kiln]

oh wow ines does not in fact make dp if she misses

[stiff beacon]

why does exu do like no damage to those flying summoning thing

the pain

[civic bear]

1k+ def

[stiff beacon]

damn

[dapper hedge]

Most people just leak them too much hassle killing those

[stiff beacon]

i see

[spice mortar]

Any tips for bb ex 8 cm?

[tawdry path]

2 flags and bagpipe

[spark sinew]

oh?

her s3 does get dp, so i assumed that s2 also does

[spice mortar]

ty did it

[tawdry path]

[stiff beacon]

i have done all the ccb1 mission except for the 400 and 540+ ones

[stiff beacon]

Would 600 be much easier than 620?

[delicate flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1288173320478654575.gif?quality=lossless&name=GGShakers&size=48

but kinda

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1288122141497364490.gif?quality=lossless&name=GGNodders&size=48

[split cloak]

Tips? CM

Stall boss on left and block n kill mobs on right?

That’s what i did months ago lol

[smoky halo]

u have enough dmg to just kill lol

[split cloak]

I’ll try later. This gave me aids when I was still new so this is a ptsd induced question

[stiff beacon]

i need someone to theory craft for me

i can't do an opening at 500+ without leaking one

[smoky halo]

no ely?

[stiff beacon]

no e2

[smoky halo]

e1 is enough

[stiff beacon]

may can't kill the first mob

[smoky halo]

is he sl7?

[stiff beacon]

yeah

[smoky halo]

is your may e1 max sl7?

[stiff beacon]

e1 50 sl7

should i max may?

[smoky halo]

maybe not enough trust

how much hp does the enemy have left

[stiff beacon]

with 88% trust

[smoky halo]

skip dp down or smthing

then deploy something to help

[sly drift]

TW server is on CC1? I thought they're doing cc2

[stiff beacon]

yato would get nuked with enemy attack up, hp and defense down

[stiff beacon]

yeah

[smoky halo]

do u know how blockshift works

[stiff beacon]

no?

i know it pushed

[smoky halo]

if u block the enemy while they are in the middle of a tile
they will be pushed back to the edge

so just block shift with yato to buy some time

[stiff beacon]

so i you can push enemies into walls so you can hit them but that's it

[smoky halo]

maybe its time to shill wildmane for push

[stiff beacon]

one moment, i'm going to do some extra red cert runs to get more trust

[smoky halo]

do you not have anything better

🥹

[stiff beacon]

i have a lot of xp right now

btw how much farm trusting faster?

[smoky halo]

what

[stiff beacon]

it didn't raise after doing the stage

[split cloak]

Trust is gained 1:1 to sanity spent

And when stationed in base

Especially control center assistants

[smoky halo]

it does

u need 10k sanity spent for 100% trust

the sanity requirement scales increasingly

so 0-1% takes less sanity than 99-100%

[stiff beacon]

ohhhh

[split cloak]

It’s best you place them as assistants and empty base slots like training room and crafting area

[stiff beacon]

will do

[civic bear]

12% trust is hmm

8 attack

Are you sure you using correct tags?

[stiff beacon]

tags? yeah i use kroos for all my stuff

oooh my kal just hit 100%

[modern acorn]

I'm just asking in case there's a miracle that someone found a team that can beat bbs4 cm with not needing 2 of any of these units? shu, mlynar, horn, typhoon, would appreciate it if someone can help

[civic bear]

Show ur 6* 5* carries

So we can cook

[modern acorn]

my roster... can't do shu mlynar ling either already tried to substitute shu...

[civic bear]

Ok ur roster is decent. How far have you reach

[modern acorn]

just bbs4 cm is the last stage in the event I haven't done, storywise just done 9th chap

[civic bear]

No as in

In the stage

What is the struggle

Have you reach part after flamethrower?

[keen gull]

Hmm ling big dragon should be able to tank sum

[stiff beacon]

@civic bear after leveling up may to 60 and also having ely buffing her, it ended up also needing ranger to kill

[modern acorn]

too many assassins, if I tried to kill them, the unblockable dude escapes, and vice versa...

[stiff beacon]

The issue is I’m doing this without slower dp gen

[civic bear]

The stage basicly dumbs down to "early wave-lancer-flamethrower-assassin spam"

Ok so you alrdy at the last part aka hardest one good

You got ss of your current setup

[smoky halo]

are you picking the right tags?

[civic bear]

Have you tried deploying yato at diagonal top left of may. Reed gives invisibility up until she blocks

[stiff beacon]

this :P

[smoky halo]

are you taking any atk down or hp up

[pure orchid]

Shu is irreplaceable, while mlynar can be replaced with a bunch of dps

[modern acorn]

I don't at the moment I'll try to run it again and ss it if it doesn't work again

[pure orchid]

Alternatively you can do double blocker for assassins

[smoky halo]

weirdge

[modern acorn]

I would assume either silverash + surtr? and nearl the radiant knight is enough to replace mlynar?

[pure orchid]

You have 12 others slots, go ham

[civic bear]

The general strategy is either to setup everything at bottom left . This requires consistent DPS tho like degen. Another is to separate left and right. Make sure to always abuse the chain. You should let enemy get chained and then you deal dmg to them

[modern acorn]

basically I have seen more chances of me winning in the first strat

[civic bear]

How close were you using ling

[split cloak]

Uhm excuse me these shidders spawn together with civs making them unblockable. Any tips?

Ela should handle the top one right?

[civic bear]

Yes ela top one

[modern acorn]

not very much... my ling's underleveled so it was relatively weaker than the vid I used as guide

[civic bear]

Block here instead

[split cloak]

Should i do a yato borrow?

[stiff beacon]

Ranger is finally useful moment

[civic bear]

You're spending too much resource

Separating the boss

2 healers 2 blockers put on the right

[split cloak]

Aight thanks

[civic bear]

That's all

The rest can go to killing flags. Big guy

[keen gull]

U can prob brrw shu and use it on second phase

[civic bear]

Doesn't have to be in the green circle. You can go
OX
XO
Or
XO
OX

[split cloak]

Ill do my 2nd attempt

[civic bear]

Boss isn't all that hard hitting just yet in h121. Focus on killing faster works. The 3rd body doesn't even walk till quite a while

[civic bear]

As in half assassin killed or barely any

[stiff beacon]

i think this is why

[split cloak]

I think ill do
OX
XO
So degen can stay at top left to swipe drones

What's the best way to kill the 2 left flags?

Yato s2?

When they converge at the middle

[civic bear]

Yato 2 is good ye

Just spawn kill them

[rich rune]

I'm dreading the Hortus De Escapismo rerun. That event kicked my ass. Although my account was fairly new at that point. So maybe it won't be so bad next time. But the DP stealing guys still suck.

[foggy grove]

you'll be fine

[lethal dragon]

Trash event

[south bone]

Damn finally i'm done with this

wait cm again

😭

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1166562000659300472.png?quality=lossless&name=TrollDespair&size=64

That realization

[south bone]

THEY BAN MY BURST TILE WHY

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1241434167724478546.png?quality=lossless&name=arturiawisdom&size=64

[vernal lion]

no need to worry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59_l26u4L3E

[pure orchid]

They should ban you instead

[south bone]

woah wtf

[pure orchid]

Joking

[south bone]

yeah i'm worried, i don't even have some of them

[vernal lion]

I think the op you need are Horn, Weedy s3m3, and SA

[mild wind]

i cant believe stopping claws from cutting chains with NTRK actually solved it

maybe i should s1m3 arturia after all

[willow nacelle]

Replace or still good

[ornate siren]

are you sure you gonna fight flowers with a single yato

actually wait maybe you could

[scarlet mortar]

that setup's gonna crumble against the FTT i feel like

unless you ya2 + poz typewriter spawncamp

[willow nacelle]

Won

Helidrop surtr

On 350+

[tiny ore]

I need yall help on this stage

I saw a lot of ppl say they get f’ed by the mortars but for me, its the wave of archers that got me

[willow nacelle]

What chapter?

[tiny ore]

oh its 7-16 btw

I forgot to mention that

[willow nacelle]

Still chapter interlude of 7

[glass monolith]

Place smart so Mortal guys attack some last placed defender away from blob of everything else

[tiny ore]

That part, I was able to get it right but my healers couldnt survive the archers

[dapper hedge]

How's your placement, how did your healer get hit by the range guy

[willow nacelle]

Hotel avenue next

[tiny ore]

Heres my placement: Bubbles is the very last placed unit so in theory, she’s gonna get hit by all the mortars. On the right side, I place the 2 healers first, then Melantha, Gummy and Cuora

Cuora is there to stall as many archers as possible

I had no issue with the bottom left, its the top right

Even with 3 forms of healing the archers still outdamaged me