strategy

[tawdry path]

eh

[analog kiln]

I guess would work well for the dude above though since he has no good dps at all

[vernal lion]

totter has issue with multiple mobs, he can only kill each of them

that is like same for besieger sniper

[brave valve]

I DID IT

MLYNAR AND SHU THE GOATS

[vernal lion]

good, now wait to get wisadel

[neon lark]

k i thought BBS1 was a bullshit map, but BBS4 is an even more ghoulish experience, i dont think i can clear it since my shu is not M3 and i dont have mlynar

[hazy sinew]

borrow mylna

[tawdry path]

borrow the uncle

you don't need m3 Shu, just S3 utility really

[neon lark]

cant seem to have the skill up on time to warp the unblockables

[brave valve]

gg guys
couldn't have done it without you guys

[full terrace]

Yeah unfortunately M3 is needed for the skill charge and recharge speed. Even with M3 the timing is very tight because (I believe that) after the 1st/2nd? skill activation, the skill is used immediately when it's ready.

Lv7 and M3 has 5 secs difference, so by the 3rd skill activation, you are actually 15 secs behind the supposed activation timing.

[neon lark]

i tried to use Warfarin and Saria too help the recharge speed but then my positioning becomes a mess and it doesnt help that much

[full terrace]

Ptilopsis would be best to help with the recharge speed. Warfarin needs a kill on her range which is difficult to time since you need to sync the skill activation to Mlynar skill. Saria I didnt personally try it because I included Ascalon in my deployment and there was a space issue.

[neon lark]

i dont have ptilopsis yet lmao

[full terrace]

There was a guide with only Mlynar requirement but you need to pull a lot of tricks with precise timing correctly.

[south bone]

i tried to replicate that guide, but good god i hate the timing

[neon lark]

precise timings and deployment points drives me crazy

[tawdry path]

i mean if s3 is messing you up, you can only compensate with more blockers

rule of thumb you dont really have to shu s3 for the giant guys, they die within 4 chain tiles

[keen gull]

Just mlynar lol literally

[glass monolith]

How bad can S-4 CM be (checks practice) I am fucked

[full terrace]

You probably cleared it in 1st try 😅

[glass monolith]

Well I am going in with full power of rarity abuse but I need to strategize properly... For first time in entire event

[sterile delta]

if you just deathball bottom left with rarity abuse it shouldnt be bad

[full terrace]

It's not that hard with full 6 Stars squad, it's only hard when players dont have the necessary ops. I can see that being the case: not many people can even fulfill Mlynar + Shu requirement for the low-end clear.

[sterile delta]

yea its kinda crazy that the kyo low end needed shu and degen

i feel like it has to be possible to only borrow one six star, but its probably too difficult for guide watchers to replicate

[full terrace]

Ah his low-end guide is up now. I'll go watch it for the rage, I know he will rage.

[sterile delta]

he just straight up said to not worry about clearing it since it'll go into intermezzi

[full terrace]

There is a Mlynar only clear yes, but the timing is complete insanity, such as deploying Gravel the moment the Assassin dashes so that Gravel pushes it back to Cuora slightly to block.

And the guidemaker did this multiple times

And I was like

Hell nah average players definitely cant do that

[sterile delta]

i dont think splitboxing is hard, but yea definitely not something that someone is watching a guide for lol

[full terrace]

Yeah thats why I'm not keen on recommending that clear, just mentioning it if anyone is really desperate.

[glass monolith]

[thin heron]

Even Kyo needs 2 6 star operators in low end bb s 4, Chat I'm cooked

guess I'll give up on bb s 4

[full terrace]

He told you to come back next year for rerun

[thin heron]

yep

[full terrace]

10/10 advice

[thin heron]

hope so I won't dwell on this I learned this the hard way and tried to clear fc-ex 8 cm as a newbie then spent a day worth of sanity

never repeating that sht

btw do I really need to clear up to ch 10 to access the new main chapter

[full terrace]

If you can Lv90 Wisadel on the first day of the banner, maybe you can still clear it?

[glass monolith]

Only 1 day worth? (Me with NL-EX-8 CM on half year old account )

[thin heron]

so there is a timeframe?

[full terrace]

When does the event end? 1st November right?

[thin heron]

it has a time gap of like 12 hrs

in terra

6 hrs gap

[glass monolith]

10am 31th W banner, 4am 1th end of Babel stages

[thin heron]

so yeah it wont make it

[thin heron]

but how true is this ?

because they are different chapters right?

[glass monolith]

CN plebs said chapter 14 will be like event so it will accessible as usual event, after 1-5 or whatever

[glass monolith]

Chapter progression wise it is after 13

[full terrace]

Yeah what Minus said

10 AM starts means you got 16 hours to build Wisadel and clear it 😂

[thin heron]

there is not even a guarantee I'll get wisadel

🙂

with 100 pulls and a prayer

but newbie luck is strong so let's see

[glass monolith]

Just Wisadel Logos in free x10, like i did on Virtuosa Viviana banner

[thin heron]

but my shu banner is ass I got 3 zuo les and nothing more with 100 pulls

babel enemies have high magic resistance even if I get logos idk bro

[glass monolith]

I joke about probability of getting both new characters in free x10 game give, not about actually using him already in this dumb event

[thin heron]

mb bro

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz4gfkkixCk

[thin heron]

hold the f up

can Irene only do that or also works on Degen?

[glass monolith]

That shit don't work in CM because they specifically ban those fucking tiles

[thin heron]

maybe this could work

no I just want to clear the normal one

I haven't cleared it yet

[full terrace]

Normal one you can just put Ascalon and Ethan in the middle to create chain

[thin heron]

i only have them both on e1 would it be possible]

probably a skill issue on my side huh

ty bro I 'll try

[full terrace]

Should be no problem I think

[thin heron]

only prob would be the 2 flame guitar guys

[full terrace]

They stay there for awhile, plenty time to dps

You can bait the flame guitar

If you put an unchained operator close to it (last deployed)

It will trigger the flame guitar attack on that operator

[dapper hedge]

Even if chained is fine

[full terrace]

And the next attack is not flame guitar anymore

[thin heron]

i'll put a healer on the ranged tile

[full terrace]

Just normal attacks

[dapper hedge]

Just retreat them asap after he cast the flame

[thin heron]

I'll try boys wish me luck, thanks again

[full terrace]

Best of luck.

[mellow totem]

Only work on normal ngl

[vernal lion]

yea

but it's still fun to nuke them

[mellow totem]

Thanks to Kyo I ruined my collection by making a 6 stars not lvl 60

And also thanks to kyo I beat BB-S-4 because of that decision

[vernal lion]

I would like to see more bugs like this in future

[smoky laurel]

it worked despite gavial dying 2 times. i managed to carry with surtr

i guess gavial alt is just fucking weak

[pure orchid]

gavialt is strong af

shes like 3rd best laneholder rn

that means smth

[vernal lion]

S-1 is just basically deployment and chain management

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCMeCs1vbas

[narrow pendant]

Is it really @pure orchid this guy watched me do it on like, first try going in blind

[smoky laurel]

yet she dies to some goofy ahh cows

[narrow pendant]

Skill

[pure orchid]

honestly thats your issue, she worked fine for me in that regard

If you expected gavialt to tank cows, then you were just using her wrong

[smoky laurel]

i followed a guide that someone made for me

step by step

[pure orchid]

Kinda true i suppose, the chains do a lot for both assassins and capybara

[ashen knoll]

Idk how I did it but I finally beat this stage 😭

Now I have to do it all over again for cm

[pure orchid]

Congrats i guess, but that doesnt make gavialt any less good

You dont judge a fish for its inability to climb a tree

[narrow pendant]

Wow, how philosophical

[pure orchid]

I cook

My s1 setup looked like this

Notice how no one is tanking capybara, because im smart enough to realize that im not supposed to tank them anyways

-1 life cus skaters dodge and break auto

The only laneholder we have that can tank cows is zuo le

Pretty sure if literally only 1 laneholder can tank cow, then it means you weren’t supposed to tank them anyway

and the outlier here is zuo le, not gavialter, not the other laneholders, and not the cows

[strange fable]

its cuz the guy ur trying to teach has skill issue

hope this helps 🫡

[pure orchid]

I know but im trying to be nice here

[narrow pendant]

Isnt he the guy that didnt want to accept help cuz he wanted to do cc afk or something

[narrow pendant]

Sometimes u cant be

[pure orchid]

They have some history yeah

[pure orchid]

Its an unfortunate reality but at least i get a “you tried” badge

[narrow pendant]

sweet hubby

[smoky halo]

zuole can tank

zuo is peak

[pure orchid]

Fib please 🥹

[noble pewter]

Did u use her s2 or s3 to tank the assassins?

[smoky laurel]

s3

[noble pewter]

I used s2 to have more def n activated earlier

[smoky laurel]

she died after the assassins

[noble pewter]

Yes I don't recommend s3, cause the dmg is very high from assassin, 2.9k, so the bleed dmg afterward will be too high

I did tried mountain n blaze also is not enuf def to tank assassin

N ur roster didn't show any other defender so I had to make do with gavial s2

Also I aim her up so her s2 can help mudrock dps earlier n had thorn bottom who can help dmg

Maybe shud let mudrock aim at gavial instead of aim up too

[smoky laurel]

i managed to do it anyway

your idea did help a bunch

[green gazelle]

need help on 10-11 adverse difficulty

[vital arrow]

Screenshot your roster sorted by rarity

[green gazelle]

so i almost got it accidentaly when i tried to borrow eyjafialla medic and i just forgot to put down jesicat alt might actually beat it ngl will try again

[hot coral]

can this box beat bb-6? I can't

[lapis hornet]

[vital arrow]

E1 purestream and conviction for base
Where did you fail

[flint falcon]

mod ur ela

[green gazelle]

dont have enough trust

[regal frost]

can borrow mine if needed

[flint falcon]

its fine i did it w mod off

just a reminder

[full terrace]

You still havent clear it? You asked the same question 5 days ago #strategy message

[green gazelle]

yep still not done with it but i just finished bb-s-1 I brute forced it somehow did it after 1 hour worth of atempts

[full terrace]

I mean with your squad you shouldnt be struggling in the first place
And Nliv recorded you a clear with Eyjaberry borrow, you can try that. We leave you with a lot of slots so that you can bring extra units to help, do bring them.

[celest solstice]

hi I need help with BB-S-4 CM, Ive been trying to do this for a few runs already

I tried to do something similar to kyo strat but I fuck up in the beginning or the end, I usually can handle the middle part just fine

Ive been struggling on this for hours, help me

[hasty pebble]

substitute loses chain?

[vivid rain]

Prob didnt block scissors properly

[vivid rain]

Aside from dorothy who is kinda a weird pick idt you should have a problem with s4

[celest solstice]

dorothy is bait

also early thing for uh

spearhead goons

[celest solstice]

no I can handle substitute, I die after the flaming goons

I can stream what I do rn if you want

[hasty pebble]

I'm doing this stage myself rn

[celest solstice]

ah ic

I have lin and shining on right

[hasty pebble]

dunno if this works (not cm)

[celest solstice]

CM loses ascalon tile

[cyan gorge]

What goes wrong and when? Showing your stage setup when it happens would be ideal

[celest solstice]

let me do another run

I just died

heavy reliance on yato to kill the things

[cyan gorge]

Are you borrowing?

[celest solstice]

nope

I fucked up my run rn in staging, lemme do again

[cyan gorge]

Borrow Horn or Ascalon

[celest solstice]

I dont wannaa

I dont wanna borrow, I know its possible

I knojw I fucked up but here

[cyan gorge]

What is that chain set up

no wonder you're strugging, you're not even abusing the mechanics properly

[celest solstice]

Ill have lancet and doro for those guitarists

[cyan gorge]

Lin is a weird pick to hold right side

[celest solstice]

slow

the slow works like a charm

[cyan gorge]

on s1?

[celest solstice]

also invulnerable to the mechs

yep

s1 most efficient from what Ive tried

drops the mechs to almost 5% hp by the time it arrives at the pink line on the left

I could probably replace shining with reedic actually idk

but its mostly the timings on the left I fuck up

[cyan gorge]

Reedic is miles better

[celest solstice]

ik

yeah I get screwed on the left side for the most part

[cyan gorge]

any other vgs?

[celest solstice]

I think the timings are screwed to an extent by lin

I have saga

I should send my kroosters

https://krooster.com/u/RamminRam

[cyan gorge]

Why aren't you using Mlynar again?

[celest solstice]

uh where am I supposed to place schwing schwinger?

left side?

idk who to replace

aaaa

cause I use all

Ive been doing this for 2 hours now

[cyan gorge]

Eyja or Lin

[celest solstice]

thing is, what about my chain for middle?

[noble pewter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs8Wsd9OiNM what if u do this strat but lin replace gg, mlynar replace thorn, shu replace mudrock, mudrock replace hoshi, executor replace saria, degenbreacher replace gavial

[vivid rain]

I usually chain like this

[noble pewter]

then ur shu can give everyone tile reduce dmg n passive heal n emeergency teleport enemy backward, n u will have degen skill to clear middle, while mlynar to clear left if every enemy is not ded already to ur overwhelming firepower u have lin slow s1, n typhon stun s2, mudrock stun s2, executor etc etc

n if one of those blocker not working out, replace with eunectes who can be healed n is high def n high atk

[celest solstice]

idk who to place there tho?

[celest solstice]

sounds complex

[vivid rain]

Eyja there facing down, that way you can set up shu s3 to tp assasins too

[celest solstice]

hmm

[noble pewter]

no its very simple, just setup bottom left basically, n u have the 1st person blocker high def, then the 2nd person behind them high def also, then the rest ppl just covering fire on those zones n have a healer keep everyone healthy, then its just afk n press skills when needed

[celest solstice]

Im more concerned on the left side

[celest solstice]

let me cook with this one and Ill try, currently in a run

[vivid rain]

Personally i think you can squeeze mlynar into left side facing right

[noble pewter]

the key is u set up the early chain at middle to slow lancers, then u slowly develop from there

[vivid rain]

Btw what’s lin doing there? Is she for golems

[celest solstice]

yep

golems

[noble pewter]

n since ur lin will be at bottom left with all ur dps unit, she will able to provide even better value slowing the enemy while ur men shoot at the same time

[vivid rain]

Iirc you can still kill golem with chain if you trip them on left side but idk

[celest solstice]

I will try this then

[noble pewter]

n also since at bottom left she will able cover both lanes mid n left, n u will have typhon s2 aiming left too, for stuns, n guitarist will get stun as he tries to come into range, unless u super unlucky n roll 20% chance to fail with 2 arrows hitting

[celest solstice]

flagpipe setup

[noble pewter]

well u can try with whatever vg u have, just want fast dp if possible

but u can go slower no problem, as u r using lin n not gg s2 nor thorns

which needed fast setup for faster charge up

n u also have shu to provide faster earlier healing n can do emergency tp back

[noble hollow]

Do u have horn btw

[noble pewter]

he does not according to kroster n refuses to borrow

[noble hollow]

I’m

💥

Fair enough

[noble pewter]

also i used flagpipe cause texas not strong enuf to hold the early line, ur saga shud able to kill n generate enuf dp with myrtle

[noble hollow]

Put mlynar where u had Myrtle

I had him there and he could burst both lanes

[noble pewter]

n as u will be using lin, u might even can just ignore top balista

[celest solstice]

why are the guitarists briefly attacking, am I doing something wrong cause i feel like mine attacks for ages

[noble pewter]

typhon s2 has stun chance

they r interuppted when stunned

[celest solstice]

ah

[noble pewter]

it is 40% chance each arrow

n if one enemy i think is hit by both arrow if not mistaken

hence unless u super unlucky u keep getting burned

[noble hollow]

Typhon is a godsend against those guitarists

[noble pewter]

but since u have shu n ptilopsis, it doesnt matter

unless u super super unlucky n burn until it proc which is crazy

but u will also have degenbreacher n mlynar nearby

[vivid rain]

Well if you have enough dps to not need typhon for assasins you can face her upward to reduce guitarist rng

[noble hollow]

Should they just get Ethan instead of honey berry

So they can have a block 0 unit for mid

[noble pewter]

i dont recommend, as u want typhon help u left side

if she aim up, a lot of downtime she not doing anything else, wasting her full potential

[celest solstice]

oh can I replace exec alter with someone else?

[noble pewter]

yes, perhaps ur eunectes

or blaze...

[celest solstice]

Ill do balze

[noble hollow]

Maybe a ambusher

[celest solstice]

eunectes expensive

[noble pewter]

u just want make sure the 1st blocker n 2nd blocker can tank assasins n sustain themselves

if u use blaze, u may need setup faster n make sure s2 is charged b4 assasin come

[celest solstice]

isnt saria supposed to be like what, to stop the flash?

[noble pewter]

n even then her def stat might not be very high, hopefully m3 n saria tile can help

[celest solstice]

Ill grab eunectes then

[noble hollow]

Dunno I had ambushes with chains stop the assassins then burst with mlynar/degen

[celest solstice]

Ill try the set up lego sent first

I have a problem, and the problem is right at the very beginning, but I think I can fix it

the first 3

[noble pewter]

the early chain is the most important, to stop lancer, can deploy at last minute it will work, the chain appear right on top the lancer will still slow them

[celest solstice]

enemies

[noble pewter]

u need deploy correct order to make the early chain proper, then after that u can do whatever u want mostly

[noble hollow]

Don’t forget abt it or lancers will 💥

[noble pewter]

experiment with deploy order, u can try early shu at chain entrance possible as well

if top ballista is annoying n u feeling kinda freaky maybe u can even use beanstalk top put down crab to block shots n slowly kill it while generating dp early game

[celest solstice]

[noble pewter]

retreat the exusia n deploy someoen behidn mudrock, otherwise risk leak when assasin try blink past mudrock, also replace myrtle with another someone

[final tinsel]

Can I clear bb s 4 with this

[celest solstice]

I got farted

my skill issue

it works tho

by the assassins

[noble pewter]

of course it does im good cook

[delicate flare]

yeah I cleared with less

borrow typhon

[final tinsel]

any tips

[delicate flare]

setup chains as soon as possible to counter lancers

[final tinsel]

My biggest problem is the left side

The big guys just go on through and I cant keep the left side ops alive

[noble pewter]

if degen end up not working n already enuf firepower, just need another tanker, may consider silverash s2

[delicate flare]

penance didn't cut it?

[delicate flare]

o

[final tinsel]

didn't deploy penance

I used gavialt + blem

I thought penance would be worse since I cant heal her

[delicate flare]

nah

there are a lot of fodders

so she can build up her barriers

[final tinsel]

I was using borrow for horn so I can kill the assasins

should I use it for typhon instead

[delicate flare]

you can use pozy or ifrit

just anything that reaches both lane

I used ray

typhon is just more comfy since inf skill + stun

[final tinsel]

pozy doesnt work

didnt try ifrit

[delicate flare]

she can't reach?

[final tinsel]

yeah I'm using a caster to the spot she needs the crossbow to go

so I can chain to the left

[delicate flare]

I had my 2 casters on the left side ranged tiles personally

and horn chained to ray

[final tinsel]

yeah thats where I have them

[delicate flare]

damn thought her s3 would be long enough

i think ifrit is tho

[celest solstice]

NOOOO

[final tinsel]

you think use ifrit keep borrowing horn?

[delicate flare]

yeah

[celest solstice]

SHU WAS TOO LATE

[delicate flare]

ifrit in this guy's typhon position

[final tinsel]

my ifrit isnt that built but I hope she does the job

[delicate flare]

damn i dont have ifrit i cant test for you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1118368672503836702.png?quality=lossless&name=Jingliu_sleep&size=48

[celest solstice]

I also dont have ifrit

[celest solstice]

Im going to change exu

to eyja

[delicate flare]

oh schwarz s3 + masteries actually reaches

I think you can try her

ngl though I abused the shit out of ceobe for the big piggies so idk if your casters + schwarz have enough dps to kill

maybe gavialt behind penance can help

[noble pewter]

U can also try switch eunectes in front the mudrock back line, then ptilopsis can active skill to help left if needed

[final tinsel]

going to try penance now

[delicate flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1288122141497364490.gif?quality=lossless&name=GGNodders&size=48

drop in some frds every now and then to help

[noble pewter]

or if mudrock really is burden, then ptilopsis replace with kalsit n tank with m3ster s2 then rely on shu tile to passive heal typhon if hit by flamethower

or put shu s1 left with another healable blocker, cause ur middle have ptilopsis doing healing

[celest solstice]

mudrock is a burden

[noble pewter]

u have enuf ppl spanking, u need more survivability

[celest solstice]

Ill do kal

Im not sleeping till I finish this one

OH WAIT, SHU IS GOING TO DIE

I can guarantee

Penance S2 maybe?

idk

[noble pewter]

replace ptilopsis with silence

change mudrock to silverash s2

left side eunectes frontline, silverash backline

[celest solstice]

can Silverash survive that?

[noble pewter]

silverash s2 shud able

[celest solstice]

I dont trust that

[noble pewter]

it will

he will have 600 def

[celest solstice]

I have no trust in Silverash

[noble pewter]

believe in him like u believe in degen

he wont embarass himself in front of degen

lv60 424 def base, s2lv7 +65% def, nothing to scoff at

[celest solstice]

if you say so-

[noble pewter]

combine with silence as healer, now u have healing coverage of all blocker

with drone available to burst heal

n shu at middle for extra tile healing

n left side is covered by lin n typhon shooting

when they get past frontliner, backliner only need deal with a crippled assasin

[celest solstice]

Shu is going to die

thats my concern

cause shes very low when the assassins come

[noble pewter]

hmm u mean the burst dmg from assasin

then mudrock tank middle cause assasin fewer there

n shu behind her

then mlynar as finisher if they start piling up

[celest solstice]

then how will my left survive?

[noble pewter]

left now has silence as healer

dont rely on slow shu tile healing

[spark sinew]

important context

[noble pewter]

silverash s2 passive heal

[spark sinew]

most of their ops are sl7

[noble pewter]

doesnt matter much i think just want def statsticks to block

[celest solstice]

how would that look then- same thing but degen is replaced by shu?

note to self: Ive been doing this for 3 hours already

[final tinsel]

@delicate flare this is where it all falls apart

[delicate flare]

which part

did the big piggy cross over

[final tinsel]

yeah, schwarz doesnt have the skill up and eben doesnt have the charges

[noble pewter]

u can only try n find out, as i sadly dont own shu, mlynar, degen, typhon n a lot of ur unit thats why i cant test

[delicate flare]

damn

hmm

[celest solstice]

no just position based on this

[final tinsel]

oh, I thought arene was linked to eyja, I could probably replace him after the early stage is over

[noble pewter]

byright mudrock not easy to kill as has talent 30% dmg reduction from sarkaz, but mine work cause she was in middle n middle has less assasin traffic

[delicate flare]

is the unit below eyja arene?

[final tinsel]

yes

[delicate flare]

yeah i think you want it to be like vg -> arene/thorns -> eyja -> casters

so they can be chained

[celest solstice]

wait how is the left supposed to get shu passive?

or does it not use shu passive?

[delicate flare]

but tbfh i dont think it'd change much since they still do their job

[final tinsel]

I dont think its the chains

[noble pewter]

u need to decide if it will be important, if the tile not important for them to survive then no need fret over the passive

[final tinsel]

chains are pretty good

[celest solstice]

hmm Ill see then

[final tinsel]

when the guitar guy comes he only hits eyja and minimalist

[delicate flare]

ye the chains you have now work already

[final tinsel]

when it gets to that part again I could retreat arene and deploy surtr behind gavialt?

[low abyss]

can anyone tell me why people are using arts ops for bb s4

[delicate flare]

I think you can

just remember to place someone in arene's spot

wait actually no

there are assasins after that piggy

💀

you need arene to deal with them

[delicate flare]

I think moistima would do you good here actually

[noble pewter]

also pls note the exusia to kill the balista, u can use anyone else no need exusia, i did exusia cause the clear i was doing for someone else on this channel n he only had exusia u could use ray/doro/reed

[delicate flare]

you don't need a lot of dps in minimalist's position

[final tinsel]

oh? where

[delicate flare]

hell i think i saw orchid placement there

[final tinsel]

mostima facing down then?

[delicate flare]

so moist slow will help your timing

[delicate flare]

she has a bit of global slow on skill i think?

I saw you're just missing a bit of sp

[celest solstice]

I am replacing with ray

[low abyss]

why arts

[delicate flare]

on both units

[celest solstice]

Ray will be essential for the last part

[delicate flare]

so that slow might come in clutch

[final tinsel]

ok trying now

[noble pewter]

also if u using silverash s2, u can take advanatge of his invis reveal so even if assasin get past or not on chains, if u positions him in a way he can deactivate his s2 extend range, u can reveal enemy earlier too

[celest solstice]

hmm good point

wait Silverash first or eunectes?

[final tinsel]

I dont exactly know, I just saw casters placed on those two ranged tiles

[celest solstice]

for the one near the ballista earlier

[noble pewter]

depend who tankier, cause assasin first hit is always harder if silverash frontline it will reveal assasin 1 tile earlier n typhon can shoot them earlier to stun too, maybe silverash is tankier also

[delicate flare]

yeah 18% slow with module you're good

[low abyss]

why are map gimmicks in the game

[delicate flare]

piggy got insane def

you need either arts or phys nukers

[low abyss]

everyone has the highest arts resist why would that be the go too

[delicate flare]

wat

[low abyss]

assassin lead guitar and bounty has the highest resist in arts

[celest solstice]

Ill place Eunectes, tankier by like a couple tens, but SA might be crucial later on if I face him sideways

[low abyss]

3 of the most crucial enemies

[celest solstice]

so Ill do eunectes front

[delicate flare]

facing right methinks

maybe down if the global slow isn't enough

[keen gull]

Mlynar it

[celest solstice]

SA died

[noble pewter]

oof

[celest solstice]

Im crying

[delicate flare]

hi crying

[celest solstice]

hi blind

[delicate flare]

[celest solstice]

nickname got used on you

[delicate flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1288173320478654575.gif?quality=lossless&name=GGShakers&size=48

[noble pewter]

u can always... borrow saria or hoshi who will incr def of all defender n also is tanky herself

[celest solstice]

NOOOO I REFUSEEEE

its 100% possible

ITS POSSIBLE

no borrows

[noble pewter]

ok, then is mlynar important for u so far?

[celest solstice]

hmm... so so

[final tinsel]

@delicate flare tysm cleared the normal mode, you think it will work for the cm as well?

[celest solstice]

mlynar works

[noble pewter]

hmm or viviana is she good tanker?

[celest solstice]

no but she can dodger

[delicate flare]

yeah cm mode only have tile restrictions which your strat doesn't care about and mobs are a little tankier

[celest solstice]

-16% damage too

should be more effective than SA no?

[noble pewter]

i dunno, i dont own her u need experiment more

[celest solstice]

this may be short, but it has a short recovery as well

Ima try, the single block will kill me maybe

[noble pewter]

shizo strat, replace mlynar with gamiya for extra def on all unit

or use the extra slot for shamare hide in one corner of map n deploy doll

[celest solstice]

Im using everything tho?

no deployment

[noble pewter]

or reedic take the upper left ranged tile near left blue box aim down as extra healer n dps to replace mlynar slot

[delicate flare]

[noble pewter]

we will sacrifice mlynar since u say he is not doing much

to incr survivability of left side

[celest solstice]

no no no, hes killing the left side for the most part

but viviana can sub his damage

if I use her

[noble pewter]

ok how about lin

is she useful?

[celest solstice]

so so

[noble pewter]

replace lin with reedic aim up

[celest solstice]

sureee

Im contemplating however, what if virtuosa

[noble pewter]

then u will have extra healing, n she do good dmg, n can apply atk debuff to enemy

[celest solstice]

the 30% defense increase

Ill try reed then virtuosa

[noble pewter]

doesnt virtuosa only incr def for the op with highest def

[low abyss]

why isn't this working

[final tinsel]

mostima slow is a bit too much, slows the assassin down to a crawl and schwarz skill ends before they can get there

[delicate flare]

[final tinsel]

I think I'm going to wait until they are blocked

[delicate flare]

yeah change up your timings

should be a lil more slack with moist slow

[celest solstice]

ok eunectes should get shu heal, so maximal healing

[low abyss]

why isnt your chains breaking

[spark sinew]

was your roster that bad
those are peculiar choices

[noble pewter]

whose? rammin setup? nothing to break weaver cant go thru left blocker, if break mid, the left side self chain to each other too

[low abyss]

"walks up to mudrock" breaks chain

[noble pewter]

they would accomplis nothing if they break mid chain

[low abyss]

wouldnt that retreat all ops connected to that chain

[noble pewter]

by the time they arrive, all assasin ded anyways, can finish off weaver ez with yalter etc

[low abyss]

unless you reform it with yato

[noble pewter]

yalter also ignore stun for s2

[celest solstice]

I DID ITTTT

VIVIANA CARRIED

[noble pewter]

weird this just same pic

[celest solstice]

oops

VIVIANA CARRIEDDD

[noble pewter]

wait i think no weaver go mid, so no weaver walk up to mudrock at all, after rewatching my own replay

[low abyss]

oh maybe i havent gotten that far

[celest solstice]

alright, my life is done, I am going to sleep, thanks guys

special thanks to lego

[noble pewter]

they only go left n they cant break chain cause need go past blocker to do so, n if ur blocker is already tanking assasins for breakfast, weaver is just desserts

[low abyss]

wish the game said that instead of "breaks chains"

[noble pewter]

if u reposition all ur unit to bottom left in almost similar fashion to the rammin clear it shud work too, if u have no strong blocker, ascalon bottom left frontlining can work when weaver come she may break but by then u already won

anyways time to sleep

[dapper hedge]

Just don't bother tanking middle ez

[low abyss]

I shouldnt have to do that though chen ray and typhon should be enough to nuke anyone

rolling specter in for ascolon

[final tinsel]

left side doesn't hold now idk why

[low abyss]

idk why these assassins arnet getting nuked

they have low d

numbers arent adding up

[scarlet fulcrum]

When not in chain they has dodge, said the description

[low abyss]

they are in chain...

[scarlet fulcrum]

maybe they are not ☕

[low abyss]

if they werent that would make alot of sense rn

[keen gull]

Mlynar it

[low abyss]

i shouldnt have too

[keen gull]

U got too

A+ def

[low abyss]

and why is that

[keen gull]

Thats actually alot of ded

Def

[low abyss]

hold that comment

[scarlet fulcrum]

not for ray ☕

[keen gull]

Typhon bttr

[low abyss]

tell me why people are using Arts ops?

[scarlet fulcrum]

lmao

Typhon ass

[keen gull]

Cant ignore the def ignore

[keen gull]

No one using them rn cuz mlynar too good

[scarlet fulcrum]

ignorable

[keen gull]

[low abyss]

idk so tell me what is mylnar's skill

[keen gull]

2x his attk🗿

His trait mb

[low abyss]

so far from everyones line up ive seen arts in it

what damage does he deal

[keen gull]

Well i do have arturia

[spark sinew]

mlynar is primarily physical damage
art damage is mostly used by something like Reed, not an actual caster

[final tinsel]

the left side falls and the assassins get to horn and kill her here, what is wrong

[keen gull]

Ur using arene to block

[final tinsel]

wasnt a problem in normal mode

[keen gull]

They get 20% stats increase

Got me tripping too

[final tinsel]

do you think retreating arene there and deploying surtr left will fix all my problems

[keen gull]

Hmm

Actually

[low abyss]

why surtr

stay away from arts

[final tinsel]

because I need her immortality

[keen gull]

Place her here

[final tinsel]

facing right?

[keen gull]

Facing right

Might work

[final tinsel]

will she be able to kill assassins to the right though

[low abyss]

throw specter in

[final tinsel]

I have swire alt, can she stall too somehow

[low abyss]

oh no

[delicate flare]

huh so the chains do cause issues

[keen gull]

Retreat the sniper

[delicate flare]

[keen gull]

Fast redeploy all of the assasins last second

[low abyss]

oh yeah mylnar deals true dmg thats why he's used one of the banes of this game being relying on "true" damage

sadly

[keen gull]

Wait actually

[final tinsel]

yeah when penance dies left side is basically dead because the chains are gone

[low abyss]

which in turn forces you to use said op

[delicate flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/914723967691010129.png?quality=lossless&name=RosChill&size=48

[keen gull]

Try retreating horns instead

Then bombard with fast redeploy

[final tinsel]

the right side?

they cant

[keen gull]

Yes

[final tinsel]

assassins one shot them before they can do anything

[keen gull]

R u using texas s3?

[final tinsel]

yes

[keen gull]

Deploy her right infront of their face

With chains

[delicate flare]

it's because there are no chains to invis reveal them

[keen gull]

Oh ye tat too

[keen gull]

Who u using as support unit tho

[final tinsel]

horn

[keen gull]

I recommend bringing shu instead

[delicate flare]

?

wtf

[final tinsel]

I dont know assassins are already very troubling

[delicate flare]

anyways the horn dying issue can be fixed by changing the chain links

[keen gull]

If u time her s3 right she counters the assasin

[delicate flare]

with these placements

[delicate flare]

horn is the core of this strat

might as well say do another strat

[final tinsel]

horn doesnt die to chain though

[keen gull]

Why not right

[delicate flare]

no if you change the chains, the assasins won't teleport away from arene

arene will be able to kill them without reaching horn

[keen gull]

Do the immortal surtr with shu s3 and ejyaberry

[final tinsel]

huh, what would be the new deployment order then

[keen gull]

Pretty sure u can only silence them for 5 sec

[delicate flare]

[keen gull]

Brute force it

[noble hollow]

Do the assassins always have their increased first strike dmg

[delicate flare]

surtr will still die btw

[keen gull]

When they have invisib

[keen gull]

She just gotta last like 27 secs

[noble hollow]

But if they’re revealed do they get the increased first strike

[keen gull]

No

[noble hollow]

K ty

[keen gull]

Pretty sure

[delicate flare]

does the piggies delete penance's barrier or sth

[smoky halo]

the pigs have fat atk so yes

slow interval too so penance shield dont charge fast

[noble hollow]

Erm actually they’re capybaras

[smoky halo]

[noble hollow]

🤓☝️

Best solution for those things is to not block them

[final tinsel]

yeah penance doesnt stand a chance

[noble hollow]

Mud cooks

[keen gull]

Theres no capybaras in bb s 4 tho

[keen gull]

Muddy does

[noble hollow]

Thank fucking god

[keen gull]

But theres like 20 assasins

[final tinsel]

can she tank the assassins too

[noble hollow]

S1 was torture cuz of those fatass rodents

[final tinsel]

because I have mud but not built

[delicate flare]

wait bbs1 was hard?

[keen gull]

She lasted for like 6 secs against 3 assasins

[smoky halo]

no

[keen gull]

Dont build it

[smoky halo]

the cm was hard tho

[keen gull]

Trust penance

[noble hollow]

Harder then s2 and s3 for sure

[smoky halo]

[keen gull]

Yes

[delicate flare]

oh yeah 2 and 3 were

[noble hollow]

2 and 3 were light af

[final tinsel]

I found it hard until I got to whatever this is

[noble hollow]

I didn’t expect the Edward scissorhand hp increase condition to be that bad tbf

[final tinsel]

do you think I should max her

[delicate flare]

throw mod1 on her and see if it does anything i guess

[final tinsel]

I have her mod

[delicate flare]

💀

[keen gull]

Not when wis is next week

[delicate flare]

maybe delete gavialt from the equation for a bit

so she can get more fodder

[final tinsel]

she gets the barrier up

[low abyss]

is the challenge mode just removing tiles from the map?

[smoky halo]

do u have zuo

[final tinsel]

no

[smoky halo]

he tanks capybara

shouldve pulled for zuo

[delicate flare]

you can get even more barriers

[smoky halo]

[noble hollow]

Only one at once tho no?

[smoky halo]

he kills fast enough

[noble hollow]

Big man Zuo

[smoky halo]

for that to not matter

[noble hollow]

Shoulda used him for bottom lane for my s1 clear smf my foot

[smoky halo]

lmao

[low abyss]

Before v After

I shouldnt be struggling this hard

[final tinsel]

I'll deploy her when she is just needed then

[low abyss]

I need numbers, not the "abcd" bs

[noble hollow]

Use the chains yo

[final tinsel]

I can max penance if it will really help btw, I have like 2.5m lmd

[noble hollow]

0 block units are nice to have for s4

[low abyss]

I'm genuinely curious has anyone does this without a Arts unit present besides reed healing

[noble hollow]

Enemies get a little more beef as well I thinky

[smoky halo]

cm is generally +20% atk hp and def

numbers may vary for different stages

[low abyss]

I dont think thats tru but if it is then this is a scam things arent adding up

[noble hollow]

Wdym

[smoky halo]

+20% atk is pretty big

[noble hollow]

Send roster big guy

😠

[keen gull]

Typhon and mlynar

[low abyss]

ray, chen, typhon should be enough to nuke any assassin

on the right

[keen gull]

Ascalon no doubt the besr

[smoky halo]

is this s4 cm?

or s4

[keen gull]

S4

[final tinsel]

fuck I think I had it if I had surtr in the right rather than left

[keen gull]

No tile ban

[smoky halo]

mlynar + ascalon can spawncamp

[low abyss]

s4

[smoky halo]

the assassins

[keen gull]

But u got to block the weavers bfr them

[low abyss]

the middle, reed for heals on Saria to tank while the empty space is for federico

with a hard ignore defence and max module

[noble hollow]

Do u got shu n degen

[low abyss]

this should be clear cut

[delicate flare]

oh yeah surtr spawncamp assasin angle

might work

[keen gull]

Why u split 2 lanes tho

[low abyss]

why indeed

[keen gull]

Theres like a perfect chenalter tile

[noble hollow]

U can surtr hospital as well

🤑

[smoky halo]

skull emoji

[delicate flare]

blemichi alt get out

[low abyss]

becuase it works and its a different approach

[smoky halo]

can we ban this guy for suggesting a meme strat

[low abyss]

or atleast it should work

[smoky halo]

[keen gull]

:shusmug:

[noble hollow]

No pls 🥺

[low abyss]

changed my line-up 1 sec this might work

[final tinsel]

I feel faint

its not happening

[lethal dragon]

Stop feeling faint
It'll work out

[low abyss]

it's working so far

little by little

[final tinsel]

I DID IT

OMG

never want to see the face of this event again

what helped was funny enough surtring the guitar guys when they arrive so I can use eben charges for the left

[low abyss]

nah i hate this im spending so much time on something that is a lie

i dont like that they do map gimmicks

[keen gull]

Why u focusing on one lane bro

[low abyss]

its cheesy and boring

[spark sinew]

holding right seems like a mistake

[low abyss]

its funny cuz that isnt even the prob

[spark sinew]

how is it cheesy

[keen gull]

U can actually just fast redeploy them

They need time to charge up attk

[low abyss]

its the fact you have to have an op "looking" a certain way so you can deploy onto tiles...

[spark sinew]

i mean you're using 5 whole slots on the right

so your left has no damage

[final tinsel]

the tiles are blocked, I would just texas them otherwise

[keen gull]

Oh shi i forgor

[low abyss]

ill say it again that isnt the prob, its the fact that you cant just deploy ops you have to have them "looking" in a direction to deploy

[keen gull]

Wut

[final tinsel]

I think the event is fine overall

they just went insane this stage

[keen gull]

It ain as hard as h12-4

[spark sinew]

chain range is just 2 tiles isn't it

independent of "looking the certain way"

[low abyss]

in order to deploy on the left i haev to deploy and op behind the wall in the line of sight to deploy on the left

[keen gull]

U dont

The chains fllw deployment orders

[low abyss]

I dont think were on the same page

[keen gull]

What so hard about deploying them here😭

[low abyss]

i forgot to update the image but

assassins came top right and nuked fed (some odd reason) they made a breakthrough in right while getting all down to half health

middle was a chore

switching saga out for texas then switching out for yato just too kill...

assassins make it right side i retreat everyone on right before then and in the middle and am left with Saria and texas yato for follow up

[keen gull]

Bro u got ray and typhon they can hold both lanes if u just place them at left😭😭

[low abyss]

guitar will kill

silly

[scarlet mortar]

i mean spalter and mud aren't dps

[keen gull]

Fast redeploy

U dont even need to kill

Just bait first hit

[scarlet mortar]

your mid lane setup is just turtling up with no damage

[low abyss]

that falme damage hurts especially on snipers

[keen gull]

Bro yato2 it

Even thos weird robots works

Bait first hit

[low abyss]

specter with a 3k damga physical, and mudrock with max s2 and talent against sarkaz 130%

[keen gull]

Then they gotta charge up

[low abyss]

decent ammount

[scarlet mortar]

neither of those are decent

mud S2 sucks there for damage

[low abyss]

[keen gull]

Are u brrwing any units

[low abyss]

800 bas atk with a 270% physical on s2

[keen gull]

Like actually

[low abyss]

yato

[spark sinew]

i mean compared to your right side?

you got literally 0 damage

[keen gull]

Ainnoway u brrwing yato on this map

[low abyss]

have my own but squad is filled

[keen gull]

Brrw shu or mlynar

[scarlet mortar]

i thought people who had FRDs would sneeze at mud S2

[spark sinew]

they're also bad burst damage options (mud is always anemic on s2 but that aside)

[low abyss]

idk who shu is and im not using mlynar

[keen gull]

The leaf looking gurl

[low abyss]

brother i wanted the sister i didnt want

[keen gull]

Yato ain doing nothing in this map

[low abyss]

turret clear with a fast instant damge

and body block if you add that up

[keen gull]

That was the problem?

Ascalon it

[low abyss]

long redoploy

[keen gull]

And the turret deals like no dmg

[keen gull]

Bro shes gonna stay there

On the left side

[low abyss]

i spent too much time on this is there anywhere in the story that references the stabilizer chains

what even is it

[scarlet mortar]

nothing in the story

[low abyss]

[sly pivot]

for a nm clear cant u do this? using teq and ethan cause 0 block

u can borrow a suzu

[scarlet mortar]

they just cooked up the mechanic bc kazdel's basically a construction site and it's not really safe to walk over certain areas

[sly pivot]

also no skills used on ethan teq so 🙌

[low abyss]

idk what teq does and yeah its obvious i can just copy someones homework but i shouldnt have to do that

[sly pivot]

bro just use the mechanic...

🥹

the chains reveal

u have a big aoe dps operator

they spawn in the middle

[keen gull]

Is this the brute force mentality

[scarlet mortar]

ok but mr khamt it doesn't work on CM

[sly pivot]

👊

not my problem

[acoustic slate]

…. You’re in a channel to get help with your strategy??

[low abyss]

I dont think you understand, i am being lied too while having to deal with the maps gimmick

let alone over the 80 ops i have that havent been leveled and idk what they do

[keen gull]

Dawg we ain lyin

[low abyss]

there could be a solution but how do i know

the game is lying

[keen gull]

Duo laning is like playing h12-4

[low abyss]

or atleast the stats

[keen gull]

Part 2

[sly pivot]

wha..

lying?

about what

😭

[low abyss]

if we are going by "numbers"

[keen gull]

A+ def is like 1200 def

[low abyss]

ray typhon and chen alone should perma nuke any enemy on the right with chain

especially if they are B+

[sly pivot]

and they dont?

🤨

[low abyss]

:/

[keen gull]

Just mlynar bro ong

[sly pivot]

like what enemy are u not killing with those 3

[keen gull]

He does the job perfectly

[sly pivot]

🤨

the spatula giant?

[low abyss]

assassin it takes 5 - 6 seconds to kill

[keen gull]

Patriot alter

[low abyss]

spat is S+ it would make sense why hes not geting nuked i understand that

[scarlet mortar]

i mean right side doesn't have reveal in that pic

[acoustic slate]

Did you read their kits?

[sly pivot]

is this just stubborness to not use the chain gimmik?

[low abyss]

there is chain

i keep saying that

[scarlet mortar]

assassins actually get to shank exfed

[sly pivot]

they need to pass through chain

[low abyss]

correct

they are on the chain

with slow

[keen gull]

Executor is not surviving

[low abyss]

chain down the middle and chain going into entry point

2x the chains

[scarlet mortar]

and not chain in front of exfed

[keen gull]

And also assasins teleport at 50% hp

[low abyss]

hold on ill put up an example

[acoustic slate]

Does the chain even do anything?? Since FedEx blocks?

[keen gull]

They also only get silence for 5 sec

[scarlet mortar]

i mean once he dies they'll do sth ig

[acoustic slate]

Well no chain if he died

Bro just needs to set up left side

[scarlet mortar]

there's the other one between ray and typhon

ray solo dps go

[sly pivot]

only ray can hit it

😔

[keen gull]

Wait

Mybe ur not surviving cuz theres no healers

😱

[sly pivot]

doesnt rlly matter

his team can beat this stage fairly easily

is just that he isnt using critical thinking skills

[scarlet mortar]

right side has 4 dps but they can't do anything half the time, is the issue

[sly pivot]

the chain isnt touching the assassin when exalter blocks it fyi... if thats what u got lied to about

🥹

cause u can see the chain png

they need to pass through it for it to do smth

[acoustic slate]

Wow lying game

[low abyss]

the pic you were looking at is at endgame

towards the end

[sly pivot]

do u mean knifehands cut the chains?

[low abyss]

had to retreat kal because weaver came and "didnt" get nuked oddly

[scarlet mortar]

just deploy someone above kal

you have bodies to throw

[sly pivot]

couldnt u kill the weaver and deploy another ranged unit so another chain is setup

[keen gull]

U cant tho

After the weaver cut the chain

They cant be chained again

Atleast in my case

[low abyss]

wait youre onto something

my brain

[acoustic slate]

[sly pivot]

or u can use the 2 frds to kill the weavers

[low abyss]

put ray at the very top

of map

keep kal where she is

get in early damgae and slow

while still maintaing field of view

where going thru points

no wasted effort

weaver "comes" just act ray skill

to bind and should be easy kill

[acoustic slate]

Or just set up on left side so you can have chains

[low abyss]

lol

[acoustic slate]

And win much easier

[low abyss]

its the principle

[acoustic slate]

Oh sorry

I didn’t think of the honor of bleeding out because of all the time you spent banging your head against a brick wall

[sly pivot]

there is fun in seeing ur idea work

[low abyss]

it isnt an idea just simple thinking

planning

[acoustic slate]

[low abyss]

trying it out now

no theres a prob

I forgot spat does ranged ray and or anyone else wouldnt work out

unless i point kal upwards

replace kal with gladia

[spark sinew]

what principle

didn't you go "i setup right because it's better, because mechanics" initially

[low abyss]

just so I have this in the back of my mind: what does challenge mode change

[final tinsel]

%20 stat buff and the banned tiles I think

[sly pivot]

cant abuse the spawncamp

😔

op strat got banned

[low abyss]

wasnt planning on using it'

[sly pivot]

good principle...

🧎

the obvious strat went unnoticed by ur genius intellect

clearly u were planning it with cm in mind

sasuga all according to keikaku

[low abyss]

wasnt sure if enemies got stat boosts or not

it'd be weird if they did

[sly pivot]

they do

cause its cm

cm always buffs atk def hp

[keen gull]

20%

[low abyss]

?

not always

[sly pivot]

any example on which it doesnt?

[low abyss]

unless theres somehting im not aware of