strategy

[wooden blaze]

ark-map?

What's that?

[polar crane]

https://map.ark-nights.com/map/hard_08-04

you can choose op and deploy on the map as well

also enemies pathing

[wooden blaze]

Oh.....

[solemn delta]

so maybe something like dis

[cyan gorge]

Why Lee

[polar crane]

replace bagpipe with myrtle or something else

[solemn delta]

fast redeploy no?

[cyan gorge]

Not fast enough

[polar crane]

he is not fast enough

[solemn delta]

ugh

[wooden blaze]

Don't you have red or gravel?

[solemn delta]

not in e2

[cyan gorge]

Burn is 20 seconds, merchants have 30 sec cooldown

Gravel doesn’t need e2

She just needs to exist

[solemn delta]

my gravel is literally only e1 lv 1 tho :p

[polar crane]

it fine, she is just for baiting

[wooden blaze]

What a blasphemous thing to do.

[polar crane]

you're not gonna use her to damage roses

[halcyon adder]

NGL this was quite hard

[lapis hornet]

wdf sapa teach me how

do you have a guide

[halcyon adder]

No I am not doing that again. It took me like 2 hours and 20 attempts

I wonder what's the low op for this stage

[jovial nest]

sheeesh, H13-4 is kinda rough. Is it best to rush the bomb to the 1st altar asap before enemies start pouring?

[halcyon adder]

It's probably better to kill all enemies first

Oh u mean 1st bomb?

Ya get that asap to alter

[jovial nest]

gotcha

i might be doing it too slow

[halcyon adder]

U have 10 sec to burst keep in mind

And the boss will stun ur units in that time too so

[halcyon adder]

I know u have already cleared it

[polar crane]

I have seen ines mlynar suzu and reed

[cosmic thicket]

iirc ling execalt

[polar crane]

ling

[halcyon adder]

Tf how does executor survivs

[cosmic thicket]

idk

also what's the play to open on H13-4

[latent monolith]

he's just based that's how

[noble pewter]

can just mlynar or surtr the torturer, but keep leeches away from the torturer so he doesnt heal when u trying to kill him with all that aoe

[latent monolith]

exalt is generally kinda good, his conditionals are very easy to fulfil in chapter 13

ample amount of trash to get SP and heals off of

[cosmic thicket]

no like how do u deal with the 3 lanes

[halcyon adder]

Enemies hit ridiculously hard tho

[latent monolith]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1EQ4y1W7wW/

[jovial nest]

Yikes.

I can't even get the bomb to 1st shrine before I get swarmed up top

there must be some specific nuke timing that allows for ease to kill these Torturers easier

[lapis hornet]

no I can't do it

there's always some fker leaking or what

[jovial nest]

One thing's for sure

I'm changing my usual squad drastically for this

[noble pewter]

Block all at middle, then ifrit middle bot shoot up, n if u have fast redeploys, take out threats

For early torturer pay attention leech swarm, try take out swarm/stall swarm away from torturer then is easier to kill cause won't need worry leech die nearby n keep regen his health

[noble pewter]

Might be u let crystal go past blocker then when redmist cast by boss on the blocker op the aoe revive the crystal on that spot

[cosmic thicket]

I don't own ifrit there's no way she's the best borrow either

[noble pewter]

Ifrit there to just make leech/crystal management less painful, if u can deal with leech w/o her is fine

[glass monolith]

Fucking leak doctors oh H-1

[ivory nimbus]

Man, 13-5 AE is being a pain in the arse for me.

https://krooster.com/u/Adrelius

Can anyone throw me some suggestions?

[cosmic thicket]

you can borrow penance she solos

high level preferred though, the bilibili video uses E2 level 80

[ivory nimbus]

I want to farm the stage for Fiber too, forgot to add.

[cosmic thicket]

oh

you can farm in normal mode though

[ivory nimbus]

Stage is still a pain on SE, so I'd rather just clear AE and farm there for convenience.

The AE condition is just whatever, Cannon and awkward tiles to deploy are the main problems.

[halcyon adder]

Kill boss last,otherwise u get overwhelmed dealing with both boss and the enemies

[glass monolith]

Are there no wave 2 enemies again?

[smoky halo]

AE gives enemies 20% extra stats tho

[jovial nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy12X87xc4s
Yeah I think I'll go with this.
This is impressive for me sheeeesh.

They really got the timings of the skill cycles well

[ivory nimbus]

20% stats won't make a difference when I can't divert the Cannon somewhere else.

[noble pewter]

can ur cuora survive cannon? indefinitely? if so just put her middle then defend blue box with ur lappland n thorns, heal cuora with best healer, rotate other unit to bait mortar dudes bottom, throw down typhon n ceobe to help cuora during some waves

[jovial nest]

although wait. That's kind of not easily recreatable

their Suzu has DecY

[ivory nimbus]

No, and I'm not willing to upgrade her to max lv. I need those resources for Virtuosa.

[jovial nest]

the good Suzu mod
and Global don't have it yet
lulz

[somber falcon]

Pretty sure cuora barely survives cannon even on max lvl

[noble pewter]

lets see lv40.. ah yes less than 3k hp

[somber falcon]

If you have mud or penance there's a chokepoint tile that all enemies pass through, just put her there

[ivory nimbus]

I have neither.

[noble pewter]

ok, bro then u just need hold blue box with all ur block 2 op, n throw down block 3 op doesnt matter what lv n not invested, everytime cannon about to explode

[ivory nimbus]

Okay, I'll try that out.

[noble pewter]

but normal will be easier honestly

so like u can put thorns left n face down a bit for more dps, lappland s2 eyja s2 n typhoon s2 shreds fast n as long lappland not being overwhelmed u can just throw any other block 3 anywhere u like to have cannon go boom

if eyja being poked too much u can put down anyone at the bottom there to tank some shots, moment they enter typhoon range they get shredded with her s2 too

[steep coral]

help

i need strategy 13-15

[noble pewter]

if its the pesky casters bot, u can pull them to mid lane so they dont get respawned by the bottom altars

[ivory leaf]

How to do 5-10

Oh wait nvm I forgot to try it

[proper swan]

i need help on SSS alsterii emergency. just who do i bring in there? been trying to clear it for over 6 hours already and always stuck at LT6

[fleet robin]

take the defender stack that gives +1 block, and stack sp gain and aspd

[wary wing]

2 defenders
some +2 tactical equipment

heavy firepower

something to kill drones

and a good medic

[fleet robin]

several good medics if you wanna be sure

[proper swan]

chongyue 5x guard still not enough or what?

[ivory nimbus]

Thanks, I beat the stage and got Delphine.

[proper swan]

i dont even know who to prioritize to pick throughout the SSS

[fleet robin]

you’ll want more block for most of your melee units, since you have several enemies that can only be blocked by 2+ and 3+. the gelato machine can only bc blocked by 4+ and it needs to pass through several times before it will stop

centurions were helpful for me, along with defender stacks to give my melee units extra block

which ops are you bringing for dps besides reedic?

[proper swan]

chongyue as main dps

im trying again, but do i have to restart this run?

[noble pewter]

Mlynar make it a lot easier, if u can't kill boss then at least don't leak any other units so u cna leak boss for free

[proper swan]

i got blaze. will try putting her at left of chongyue to help dps left side

[fleet robin]

you might need to restart. you need more arts dps, possibly from ranged op if possible. do you have a nuke anywhere, besides reedic chain reaction?

[fleet robin]

this was how i cleared it the first time yeah lol

[proper swan]

typhon, chen alt

wait arts?

doubt i can use eben, can i?

[noble pewter]

The enemy is all high def, u shud use arts if u want easier time but if u have drafted full melee full phy team then u may need restart for easier run

I think ur problem is u not kill the crushers fast enuf n they stun ur dudes n make u leak maybe?

[fleet robin]

chen alt could be interesting if you stack aspd and sp gain

you’ve got a mix of enemies with def and res, but the last wave seems to be demolitionists with E res with the stun on 3rd hit, so arts might get you through that last stretch

[noble pewter]

If ur ranged tile dying a lot it may be cause ur melee positioning is weird, u let them adjacent the range tile n the sword guy might do aoe killing them

[fleet robin]

I’ll run it again later to check the waves

[proper swan]

...she actually helped in dps dafuq

[cosmic thicket]

chungus guard b??

[proper swan]

they seem to rush to left

[proper swan]

forgot which one. its the one with atk aspd up

[cosmic thicket]

this is my typical laterano tower build

[proper swan]

i thought i'd go for that for fast proc

...i cleared it...

[cosmic thicket]

spec B gives aspd and SP which i feel is better

[proper swan]

but leak 2

[proper swan]

can swap gnosis with ange?

[cosmic thicket]

the supporters are just supporters i have built

ange is also there lol

[proper swan]

oh right. didnt see her

[cosmic thicket]

I should put tsukinogi instead of gnosis to confuse the fuck out of everyone

[proper swan]

ugh i think i'll farm through lighthouse instead of alsterii...

[cosmic thicket]

but yeah i think spec B is better than guard B here because it also benefits ur penance well

[proper swan]

oh B was the atk aspd up

[wide sail]

whats opinions on spec a

[cosmic thicket]

spec a feels like kind of filler

[wide sail]

it seems pretty functional to me but i only run it once

[cosmic thicket]

like it works, you can take it if ur build doesn't benefit from spec B well so you can take a spec from temp recruit

but i wouldn't say it makes a team better

[wide sail]

i meant like structuring the whole deck around spec a

so u can forgo most stackers

[cosmic thicket]

I mean at that point it's not much better than including a stack you actually want

[wide sail]

it can make it so need less so u can go infinite

[cosmic thicket]

in some ways it's worse because you need to wait 30 seconds or so

[wide sail]

but its kinda slow yeah

[proper swan]

nope im NOT doing this again

im sticking to normal if im attempting

[wide sail]

i liked exec defender stacked for laterano

i need to try it again next month

[cosmic thicket]

yeah exec with 2 defender 3 SP stacks is quite good

[wide sail]

his damage was more suckage than i expected but i guess thats what mlynar is for

[cosmic thicket]

i mean 5 defender exec is trolling

u need SP stacks to boost his DPS and improve cycling

[wide sail]

i did 3 def 2 spec b and i was stalling defenders for ages ithink

[fleet robin]

lol graaaats

[cosmic thicket]

hmm

[fleet robin]

buuuut you get a medal for beating gelato thomas

[cosmic thicket]

I assume they didn't get the deathless medal

[fleet robin]

unless you did get it, in which case FAIR TO BID FAREWELL

[proper swan]

emergency mode didnt have the deathless medal iirc

so

i did get the one from normal

i underestimated that map

[fleet robin]

there's a secret one if you didn't leak gelato machine i think

[wide sail]

i wonder why they couldnt have made it obtainable on em

kinda annoying

[proper swan]

Is it this one?

[fleet robin]

looks like you got it ayyyy (i'll double check in a bit while i load bluestax)

[wide sail]

dont think boss leaking affect anything

[fleet robin]

huh, i may have been mistaken on the reqs for getting the secret medal then

[wide sail]

its just deathless normal mode yea

[fleet robin]

souka gotcha

[proper swan]

you can still leak but you're not allowed to quit midway iirc

[wide sail]

btw which is considered harder between thirster and thomas

[proper swan]

thomas

[wide sail]

iheard most people say thirster is the thibg

[fleet robin]

i'm suffering against thirster so y'know

it's mean :(

[wide sail]

first time i played map i used gg and it took like 10 years

also iddnt realise this guy does arts

[proper swan]

i struggled until i took the crawlers personally

they kept ruining my ops

[wide sail]

when are crawlers in stage

i only remember 4 at end

[cosmic thicket]

no u can get deathless medal in emergency

[wide sail]

u can?

[cosmic thicket]

thirster i kinda just bursted because eyjalt talent goes lol lmao

[cosmic thicket]

yeah i did it before

[wide sail]

huh people kept saying u cant

[cosmic thicket]

somehow i failed deathless in normal once but did it in emergency

[wide sail]

ako misinfo fire emoji

[cosmic thicket]

oh wait it was for the lighthouse tower

yeah i trolled in non emergency f5 but did emergency deathless

[wide sail]

i think doing it normal blind is way harder than em with knowledge

[cosmic thicket]

fair enough

[wide sail]

like if u go in with ground carry and spitter kills ur whole team

[cosmic thicket]

i used ground carry though and it was fine

[wide sail]

i used typhon and cc spam but for me mlynar got annihilated

[proper swan]

i did once in past sss but didnt get it?

[wide sail]

like 1 ticked

[cosmic thicket]

if u already got the deathless in normal mode u already got the medal

there's no unique deathless in emergency medal

[proper swan]

i see

bye thomas then

[wide sail]

wait i rmeember why

because i was stalling spitters forever since they had too much aspd

[dark violet]

maybe it was like that in the first SSS but got changed

I had the same happen

[cosmic thicket]

oh

[dark violet]

anyway, time for H4

[proper swan]

i need a break...

sss drains real life sanity

[dark violet]

ok wtf lol, the map starts with mob spam

[glass monolith]

Fucking love H-2

[dark violet]

I miss h2 already

huh, if you put aside the leaking, I guess it doesn't look too ugly

I'm going to try with taxes instead of ines

better start

[glass monolith]

H-2 HAS DIFFERENT FUCKING HEALTH EACH FUCKING TIME I DO IT

Also bomb dying counting toward their buff is fair and balanced

[dark violet]

ok I need to figure something out

I'll just get skalter back

I'm so derp

I forgot altars have range

I kept dealing with the endless swarm

[celest horizon]

why can't I block this guy on adverse

[dark violet]

wait, aaah, the boss mist respawns the ambers

no wonder it kept killing me

[limpid siren]

usually these guys

[celest horizon]

I see, thanks

[limpid siren]

after they're revealed you should be able to block them as normal

[dark violet]

we're cooking. skalter cleaning up the ambers

[limpid siren]

but yea that map has a couple funny timings for the instigators

[fleet robin]

re: 12-19, the timings of instigators was the annoying part

lancet saved the day in ch 12 with spotting range for me

[dark violet]

🥹

this map is tense

[modern plover]

True

[dark violet]

Now the question is, can I survive the rest

[modern plover]

You can force the next wave by eliminating all crystal or something
At least that is what i do
Instead of making the boss go p2

[dark violet]

ok this isn't going well, the canoneers are honestly the hardest part

I'll probably need to stall and clean up like you said yeah

[modern plover]

Oof p2 alr

[dark violet]

I managed to send him to half health with one bomb, but the mob wave is probably too much to handle for me

anyway I have a strategy now

I don't know what the people saying it's easy are taking though

[fleet robin]

tfw i'm suffering in H1

[glass monolith]

It gets better

[dark violet]

trust

well, good news: the worms are gone, bad news, the boneguard absorbed over 10 kills at once

at least the stalling is piss easy. one ntr kills the boss

let's goo, the stalling paid off. New wave coming

canoneers and boneguard wave cleared. Now shield bois incoming

only 16 enemies left

Alright, time to get serious

gladiia telekinesis

it's all under control

lmao, I feel like amiya against him

nevermind, anyway, I know what to do now

I could only use 1 bomb really. Messed up the bursts so badly

[grizzled otter]

frd abuse cheeses a lot of the enemies

[dark violet]

I'm guessing also mwynar and meta spam

[grizzled otter]

Also helps feed bombs

[dark violet]

anyway, this is the first time a boss forced me to stall it

[grizzled otter]

Meta spam is great yes but imo mlynar isnt that good in ch13

[dark violet]

doesn't stop him from being everywhere

[fleet robin]

i struggled so bad on 13-21 despite having like 4 nukes. and then when i consulted with friends, they just told me 'lol just mlynar it'

pls, i don't have uncle yet

[halcyon adder]

Are u sure about that

[fleet robin]

having wide-range nuke is nice in ch13. i don't always bring SA anymore, but i brought him for ch13 and it helped

[halcyon adder]

Sa doesn't deal damage,and can't tank any dmg

[grizzled otter]

it might have to do with the fact i swapped him for executor alter bc funny blood ambers

[scarlet mortar]

male records in chapter 13 are like 80% exfed plus 50% mlynar

[fleet robin]

coincidentally the 2 i don't have, therefore SA it is while i wait for timers on my other nukes

[dark violet]

finally. A second bomb clearly does the difference

moments before disaster

she knows what's coming.

[glass monolith]

It is SHE?

[merry flint]

so how goes 13-4 without metric tons of aoe?

no texas alter, reed alter, saria, suzuran, mlynar, so the stage is kicking my ass

[glass monolith]

Gave up and friend supported 13th member for H-2

Maybe there was set up for my dumb brain 12 op this, but no

[frigid spear]

Gravel, frostleaf, may, ambriel, out of these, who is sigma skibidi (best for their niche) and why

[glass monolith]

HOW MUCH FUCKING WHIP DUDES IN THAT CLOWN CART OF RED BOX?

[fleet robin]

lmao hi, welcome from help

[fleet robin]

niche being specifically 4* ops of their class/role?

[dark violet]

https://youtu.be/dEA692Dn5qU You're lucky, I don't use either of those (quality is still loading)

[dark violet]

gravel, because I still use her for endgame content

[fleet robin]

i was also gonna say gravel and then may for when/if you specifically need sniper stun and don't have anything else

[dark violet]

To go into details, her strengths are being the fastest FRDP operator, along with a good defensive shield for a bit, so she's great at bit stalling and taking aggro. Then she has alright damage, mostly for mechanics like here where her aspd double hits really shine.
And finally, her module boosts NTR s2 so much, it's absurd. Both by enabling the skill, and reducing NTR redeploy cooldown.

Then with my squad where I use Flametail, she gets a bonus dodge to make her even more effective at drawing hits for longer.

The more it goes, the more unhinged my gameplay becomes. Where afk

[merry flint]

Thanks for the help, though I don't think I can adapt that for my own ops

[dark violet]

hopefully you can find enough pieces to make it work

[merry flint]

It's those waves of blood enemies that get me

[dark violet]

yeah, those I tend to clear on the side with dorothy mines and skalter s3 cycles

[merry flint]

I can't get a foothold

[dark violet]

Killing the worms outside of the altar at first really helped my strategy

then ceobe clearing the way to send the bomb. After that it's mostly a matter of baiting the boss drain swamp with the bombs and clearing the worms outside of it

having skalter freely clear the ambers really lessens the pressure though

[little ravine]

whats the opening strat to clear the first wave of worms and get rid of the whip guy for h13-4

[dark violet]

no idea, you can see how I did it. SOmething that hits hard

NTR s2 is good for that, skadi works too

ines is great to deal with the top right lane

[ivory leaf]

Who has a reedalt I can borrow😔

[graceful bear]

How do you stabilize on H13-4? The starting whip bro plus the stun enemy coming through at around 20 kills plus increased Blood Mist is breaking my lines

[graceful bear]

Add me at Stirner#6567

[ivory leaf]

Oh uh I already got one (sorry for the inconvenience!)

Is Sora good

[quasi current]

any team i can make to clear 2-10?

[steep barn]

Is it possible to check altar range)

[vital arrow]

Its 3 tiles wide, infinite range

[jovial nest]

just see where they're pointing

it's 3 tiles wide and INFINITE length

[rose patrol]

How do you trigger wave 2 mobs at 37/75 without destroying the boss tower in h13-4?

[cosmic thicket]

you don't, it's a killgate

[noble pewter]

By kill all the crystals

[rose patrol]

oh nvm did it, triggered wave 2 mobs without destroying the tower

its better to clear all the mobs first then the boss last imo

[civic bear]

yea

they intended u to fight waves with boss p2. so if u break that

[noble pewter]

Let the leeches n pillar man go past the torturer b4 u burst him down

[graceful bear]

Did you just murder Blord like a dozen times that the game gave up?

[ivory leaf]

Is Sora worth using

[noble pewter]

Wave 2 is triggered after u kill the crystals of the shield guards at bottom, don't need destroy the tower, u can destroy tower at 74/75, he likely accidentally let them reincarnate into worm n they walked to saria then got ifrit to death so triggered wave 2

[turbid badge]

worth building orr using

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah thats the easy way to handle 2nd wave, killgate from mobs more preferred

[merry flint]

It's annoying, but possible. The two guys in the bottom right who don't like to move, even as blood amber need to die

[cosmic thicket]

oh did i misinfo

oop

[scarlet fulcrum]

Nah u are right, the crystal count as killgate too

From armor dude

[ivory leaf]

Owkeh

[scarlet fulcrum]

they asking you, tho cant blame it since it looks like statement

[polar crane]

too late now they probably already build sora anyway

[glass monolith]

H-3 oneshot 3150 HP.... HE WHAT????

[merry flint]

2k attack + forced retreat below 25% hp

[glass monolith]

"2k" Almost close enough. It is 2880

Fuck I guess my no 6 adventure is over, NTR is only op I have in mind who cloud stall his phase 2

[noble pewter]

Just use perfumer+ nearl healing defender s1 + windchime/flamebringer/matoimaru/quartz or sth

[glass monolith]

I guess I will try Quartz before giving up for good, but I don't trust 2 block ops in here

As it will add leech eat their ass

[noble pewter]

Just make sure have like x4 worth of block behind her to prevent leak and kill the leeches faster, maybe pinecone

[glass monolith]

Dude you miss my point, 1 block prevent anything but boss doing damage to blocker

I don't give a f- about 4 leeches he summon my La Pluma on 500 kill streak

[noble pewter]

Don't scared, just 1 more leech biting ur quartz, they do arts dmg right? u will kill them fast b4 they do any dmg

[glass monolith]

Kill by who my entire roster is busy stalling 2 whip dudes boxes and additional leeches on top

[noble pewter]

Stall n slowly redeploy ur entire force to la pluma position with quartz frontlining for final phase 2 perhaps?

[glass monolith]

Best I have on my mind is moving la pluma back to stop both boss and top box blood shits, but that's cringe of other time, need to do little irl now

[void terrace]

Skadi with gladia just stalls him

Can't do jack against a 5k hp tactical orca

[glass monolith]

I want to minimize amount of 6* used, perfectly to 0

[void terrace]

I mean there's good ol' cuora. Kyo used matoimaru in his vid for her hp bar

[turbid badge]

Yea

I'll utilize a dred or crush

Windchimes seems nice cuz talent

[fallen terrace]

How do?

[turbid badge]

+5% hp

[turbid badge]

Use the unstun bombs

Utilize saria s2

or aoe medic

if u dont have aoe healing just leak boss

[fallen terrace]

So eyjalter is wrong to use here

[turbid badge]

S2 can work but the issue is

s1*

[glass monolith]

2880 arts ATK with insta kill on 25% hp, WHAT CUORA?

[turbid badge]

aoe better so they have more chance to hit the stun things

If not ur team slowly die

[void terrace]

Oh yeah he does arts

Matoimaru

[fallen terrace]

So Saria and Nighty? Or maybe Ptilopsis?

[void terrace]

Who is a 5 star dreadnaught

[glass monolith]

Not build. Moving to next "logical" option. Quartz

[void terrace]

Flamebringer?

[turbid badge]

Both work

any aoe

Healing

[void terrace]

Ouch

[fallen terrace]

Thnx i will use them

[turbid badge]

i used saria s2 + silence alter + skalter

[void terrace]

Damn they were really trying to plug hoederer with this one

[dark violet]

Dorothy represent

[dark violet]

You just need to kill everything ish. It will trigger when the ambers transform since it'll count as no mobs on the map for a bit.

[glass monolith]

Also if Quartz plan succ succeed then H13-3 is easier than H13-2 because i needed friend support 13th operator on H13-2

[merry narwhal]

the easy solution is to do a quick set up and then keep your hand full which allows you to ignore the boss. Stall one or two of the eggs with a low damage defender and let the boss leak. While you're stalling the eggs, you can set up again. 5x sniper Astgenne with a simple defender (no buffs) were enough to handle everything until the egg stall

[dark violet]

wait, you can leak the boss?

all along I didn't have to fight?

bru

[glass monolith]

As long as boss is only leak i think you can safely leak

[wide sail]

i basically always leak in setup

[graceful bear]

S2 or S3?

[dark violet]

s3, s2 is useless against so many conga lines

[graceful bear]

5x Caster stack Typhon S2

[dark violet]

suddenly the fight becomes a joke

[graceful bear]

oh yeah and bring either 1 Eyjaberry or two elemental healers and the drone item

The regular enemies are piss easy to kill

[merry narwhal]

I'm not pulling my punches with this game mode. I hate SSS with a passion

[dark violet]

Yeah...

Dorothy makes it even more of a joke

I can minefield most of the waves with some blocking

[jovial nest]

ok so to stall Duq'arael in H13-4...i just....don't kill his altar, right?

[dark violet]

yeah

play whack a mole

[remote perch]

ye, just don't destroy alter and kill all the enemies so wave 2 start

[dark violet]

check this if you're unsure #strategy message

[glass monolith]

Don't wave 2 start only after phase change or if i have all blood amber and boss phase 1 dead it will trigger wave?

Or H13-4 don't have phase 2 wave and everything spawns during phase 1 just with delays?

[remote perch]

no, u can force wave 2 since its kill gate
if u kill all the amber that boss didn't spawn, wave 2 will trigger

[glass monolith]

Well killing amber is same as killing all enemies

[remote perch]

ye, but the boss will still be in phase 1

[glass monolith]

Does H13-3 have it or no?

[remote perch]

u can also do the same in h3, kill everything untill boss is the last mob

[dark violet]

probably yeah, however h3 is much easier regardless so less of a need

[glass monolith]

Define "kill everything" altar spawns blood amber and revive it roughtly every 40 seconds

Does that amber need to die as well?

[dark violet]

yes

[remote perch]

just kill all the blood ambers

[glass monolith]

In this case fuck that i am doing it real way

[civic bear]

At any moment in time there needs to not be any mob other than the one that boss spawns

[dark violet]

however when it revives the ambers, it's like if everything was dead

so you don'tneed to worry about it

so just make sure everything else is dead

[glass monolith]

I kill amber outside any revive altar range on H-3

[dark violet]

ignore the amber inside of altar

[dark violet]

yeah, easy, kill the amber then

[glass monolith]

Boss spawn more, Acidtripdrop set up is +1 slot. Which means reshape entire strat, which is more effort than i am ready to spare

[foggy grove]

did you go for 192 pulls for vendela

[glass monolith]

Not to mention i bring in Quartz to fucknig tank boss which means there is always at least 1 amber at boss ass which means i can't even snipe it because everyone attack boss

[dark violet]

doing no 6* in H stages is a choice

not one I agree with, but good luck

[glass monolith]

Changed. I went 51 for Vendela. 192 is my current count

[dark violet]

however, every no mwynerd choice, is a good choice

[glass monolith]

Need at most 230 or something for R6 collabs

Choice may be trash, but i have fun and use operators i have hard time to brute force during rarity abusing

[noble pewter]

Man at first I was confused why gravel keeps getting dropped randomly n then I realise it's to speed up ntr but dang this is so much steps, mines n all the pseudo fast redeploys

[dark violet]

very afk friendly

Feels like conducting an orchestra

[glass monolith]

Gravel is Fast Redeploy. Tanky (S2). SP battery (Blemi module). Deploy battery (Gravel module). NTR activator. Sub 10 DP cost buffer (e2 talent).
Just imagine how fucking OP Gravel alter should be

[signal lichen]

asking about different stage since i am making a trust farm on it 4-9. do the flame tiles flare at random times?

[dark violet]

I just noticed, P6 dorothy gets the def bonus

[glass monolith]

I would meme about Gravel be True damage thanks to Mlynar but that's mlynar achievement

[dark violet]

she gives true damage to ntr

[dark violet]

Also never really thought about it, but that boosts skalter too. Sadly not relevant for me because I don't use s2

[glass monolith]

I think they might be random between 6-8 seconds (on x2) or something. Early AK had some extra random bullshit to make autos desync as if they don't do that daily

[signal lichen]

ok that would explain why i could not get the ling solo that i see on en rec

because the flame tile has to line up perfectly at the start to kill the first dog

[glass monolith]

Some recs me like that

[signal lichen]

i was like wtf is going on

i even have the pots

[dark violet]

wait, when it says units that cost 10 or less DP, does that mean flametail also benefits? On the first deployment at least (8dp)

there's too much synergy I'm getting lost in my squad

[glass monolith]

I don't think it works with operators who get cheaper first deploy

Like she cost 8dp for first, but still count as 12dp for dp based bs

[celest solstice]

wtf is h-13-1, how do I deal with bottom laneee

[noble pewter]

What boosts skalter? Dorothy? How?

[dark violet]

no, gravel gives extra 8% def to low cost ops

[high warren]

I coped with blaze hoshi ifrit and surtr from time to time

And had 2 healer
Still not consistent I think
Maybe cuz of healer idk

[dark violet]

which affects both dorothy p6 and skalter

[dark violet]

I'll test to see which it is.

[noble pewter]

If I redeployed skalter n her dp cost was increased, does buff still apply?

[celest solstice]

I only have ONE OF THEM

[high warren]

You can prob cope without surtr
Idk what else you've I followed kyo afk guide

[celest solstice]

I only have blaze man

[high warren]

Any very bulk defender prob do, got shining? She can give more def

[glass monolith]

I did same copium I did with each whip dude so far - separate it from the entire stage using 1 block operators. You can summon a bomb to taunt 2 respawning casters to get space for medic

[vocal leaf]

i brought all my boys

[vocal leaf]

if not shining, shamare can be used too

[celest solstice]

so... Eunectes?

[glass monolith]

[dark violet]

in specter we trust

[glass monolith]

If it works it is valid way of achieving goals

[high warren]

Ah yes, I should've used her instead of 2nd medic prob, blaze was even out of warf range

[dark violet]

for boneguards you want dreadnoughts

go skadi go

[glass monolith]

I had Nearl Ptulo Amiya hold them

I type from phone and it tries to auto correct each single word so yea...

[dark violet]

alright, after tests here's the result:

gravel's talent applies on the base dp cost of the operator.

Ignore all talent changes and redeploy tax

so skalter always gets the bonus, flametail never, and p6 dorothy I NEED YOUUUU

[glass monolith]

:ratjam:

[dark violet]

I need this emote but it's dorothy mine

[rocky iron]

does Bloop's poison makes cart go ?

[dark violet]

should be

there's nothing more hilarious than gladiia using s3 against a cart though

10 seconds of telekinesis

[cyan gorge]

Yes all types of damage over time (BP, Thorns, Reedic s3) work on bomb

[noble pewter]

But is more def for Dorothy even important ?

[dark violet]

it might

[celest solstice]

is there like a strat for h-13-1? Its getting on my nerves

general strat

cause Im struggling with handling bottom, and trying to figure out what the hell am I going to do with those armored men at top

[dark glade]

block stuff out of altar

life's good

[celest solstice]

my biggest problem is the torturer

[dark glade]

the whip guy?

texas stun and/or mlynar skill cycle or just surtr it

[celest solstice]

I do not have

a texas

nor a surtr

and I dont know how mlynar will work in that scenario

[dark glade]

[celest solstice]

~~I fucking hate Mlynar for being my 6 star instead of Eyja alter ~~

[delicate furnace]

I brought two centurions, Gavialter and Blaze to lanehold.

[glass monolith]

I have no plan and i must

[celest solstice]

what can I work with this?

[dark violet]

eunectes would be the best bet

[dark glade]

penance mudrock lin oesnt work?

[dark violet]

duelist is nice against guards

[dark glade]

the pict above you is more cursed with amiya nearl

[dark violet]

however you have schwarz, you can use her s3 to melt the guards

[celest solstice]

no, Penance dies to the torturer, Mudrock also dies to the torturer, Kaltsit can only handle 1-2 Torturers

Lin... well I tried to have Lin handle top

she was able to... to a certain extent

[glass monolith]

No E2 La Pluma/Humus. Rest in slimes

[celest solstice]

no, I have never thought of e2ing any 4 star

except myrtle

[scarlet mortar]

eun 1v1s those guys

as long as you spawncamp them and supplant some healing

[celest solstice]

how can I spawn camp it-

[delicate furnace]

I figured out, you can use ifrit. Do you have ifrit?

[marble nebula]

stage?

[delicate furnace]

Reed alter heals can keep up I believe. Put her on the most right bottom.

[marble nebula]

oh h13-1

errrr

[celest solstice]

no

[celest solstice]

h-13-1

[cyan gorge]

I’m so close to giving up

[celest solstice]

is it me, or do I see a lot of bloodusuckers near a blue box

[cyan gorge]

I cannot kill nor block them

[glass monolith]

Uh.... WHY THERE IS ONLY 1 BOMB SPAWNER

[cyan gorge]

I don’t even have a single resource to spare for bomb push

[delicate furnace]

Have u tried Reedalter?

[marble nebula]

you dont have to kill all the defender on the top
just some that are blocking the pipe bomb
you need an operator on the bottom left side to atleast tank the bonewhipping dude that spawn since he always spawn with blood sucking monster
for the right side you can use tanky operator
and for the on that is handling the 2 lane just your laneholder

from your team i think try:
-deploy eunectes on the bottom left where the bonewhipping mf spawn with reed alter, use reed alter skills when avalaible (s2) to kill the bonewhipping dude first so that the blood amber wont die and heal it
-kalt'sit (s3) and mudmud (s2) is good enough to deal on the 2 lane, bring eyja s2 to kill the blood amber, try using kaltsit skill when either the bone whipping mofo got past eunected or the unblockable dude came by
-hold the one lane on the right side where the pulsing beat dude spawn with penance, i think shes fine there
-for the bomb i think you need to constantly switch between deploying Lin and Exu

oh yeah

deployment order matter here so

dont forget

oh yeah additional thing

its better to use

yato alter s3

for the bomb

[delicate furnace]

What I used there were Amiya's True damage, Suzu, Mlynar and Surtr combined. 🤣 Sustaining with Reedalter. She finally died.

[jovial nest]

Shaw ops rec is rough timing....

any tips?

[celest solstice]

how do I deal with early bloodsuckers

the red smol blobs

[marble nebula]

unfortunately the way i deal with them is with dollkeeper

but

errrrr

if you can manage to send the first bomb early

wait no

[marble nebula]

eyja alter

*eyha

*EYJA

god damn it

using eyja since

-RES

and AoE on s2

you can use kal'tsit s3

to immediately kill them

[celest solstice]

I do not have eyja alter

also how is that going to work then-

[marble nebula]

eyja

mb

basically

blooduscker is easy to deal with

as long you have ops

that can deal

true dmg

and

[south bone]

Shaw paradox?

[marble nebula]

a RES reducer

mf

with AoE

[delicate furnace]

I did use ifrit, then mudrock. I borrowed specalter.

[cyan gorge]

Hard to spare that many resources when I can’t even handle the swarms of normal mobs

[marble nebula]

h13-4 is honestly fps check

[jovial nest]

no need. I've solved it

[delicate furnace]

You tell me, I literally just use the most broken OPs and I forgot to mention about the helidrop duos too but I just barely killed her. Stage is full cancer.

[jovial nest]

it's weird how each timing is different

[ivory leaf]

Now I'm getting concerned if I should really get the UI skin or not

[scarlet mortar]

by copying tums's hw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIoVS_jUrew

[south bone]

alrighty

well it's not that difficult

[glass monolith]

Does bomb go to throne first or to revive altar?

[marble nebula]

the bomb goes to the first revive altar

[glass monolith]

Well then H13-4 is not as bad as it could be

[marble nebula]

and then the revive's altar bomb place will go to the blood woman throne

[glass monolith]

BOSS IS SHE?

[marble nebula]

IDK MAN

[jovial nest]

Stall complete. Just need to redep the nukers on bot

There we go. Duq'arael enjoyed the arts mix.

[cosmic thicket]

wait

does he take bottom path in phase 2

[jovial nest]

yes

i mean...

thats the reason i lost when I got to my farthest attempt

[cosmic thicket]

oh what the

[south bone]

No, he's a dude

[digital wharf]

I very clearly am not big brained enough because I have absolutely no clue how to even begin clearing h13-2.

[glass monolith]

My h13-2 is GAS GAS GAS those bombs using Ethan and Firewhistle (Or any other way to DoT both at once to push them pass whip dudes) because i don't have plan B for case when altars start reviving. Then somehow sugarcoat rest of enemies

[cosmic thicket]

lin is very funny

qiubai works too for the 6 guys and of course so does mlynar

chongyue is very nice too

[halcyon adder]

Qiubai and the 6 guys,a horror story

[digital wharf]

Somehow my biggest issue is actually the demonic ohagi as I can't quite manage to destroy both alters before they revive the first time and then you have like 12 of the fuckers rushing you down all at once and then the heavies come in just because why not

[somber falcon]

Hoederer is very handy to deliver the bombs with s3

[glass monolith]

By time i killed altars bottom altar didn't revive a signle time. While top altar revived 5

I killed top dud with Puzzle S2 twice

[dark violet]

with gladiia s3 she'll move the bomb through the power of her mind. And the pull cancel should disturb the enemies a bit

[karmic blade]

whew, there we go. all done without having to borrow texalter

I play too much Dark Souls. taking a support unit to clear something is like summoning help for a boss. Never mind that it's the intended way to play the game.

[dark violet]

I tried taxes a bit and she felt abysmal for the stages

[karmic blade]

it's mainly to protect you from powered up whip dudes

but h4-3 the whip guys are all perfectly aligned with suzuran's skill so uh they never reach anyone.

triple casters from the bottom were kinda annoying too. I was dropping kirin on them

[glass monolith]

Casters you say? Are they in Lunacubium range

[digital wharf]

Thanks for theadvice everyone

[tepid sigil]

Have anyone calculated total movement speed reduction ascalon has?

Not just the raw number each attributes, but as a whole

[glass monolith]

isn't her debuff is like additive or whatever information cn-lounge were feeding i missed it

[tepid sigil]

I only know her talent one is additive

Dunno the rest tho

[glass monolith]

just calculator it

(1 - reduction from one source) * (1 - reduction from second source) .... = (Multiplier) Enemy speed after reduction

Like if you have stacking 20% and 20%, you have 0.8*0.8 = 0.64, so enemy is slowed by 36% (1 - 0.64)

[tepid sigil]

Thanks a lot, since math isn't my thing so this is very helpful

[digital wharf]

H13-3 was really easy.
Meanwhile 4 brings back the dreaded ohagi tsunami

[glass monolith]

wait wait wait

As person currently on H13-3 i am not happy of idea that H13-4 is even worse

[cyan gorge]

[glass monolith]

weird bird

[dark violet]

h3 is a joke compared

[glass monolith]

Because my strategy is not "meta" i assume i will manage to sugarcoat

[dark violet]

gonna be fine

feel free to borrow my ntr

[glass monolith]

Have her e2 90 SL7 (kek) for CC10

I really wanted to get over Fred

[echo herald]

I know it's a dumb question, but who is NTR?

[cosmic thicket]

nearl alter

[modern plover]

Radiant knight

[glass monolith]

Joke on Nearl The Radian (K)night. NTR acronym refers to uh... Google only if 18+

[dark violet]

nearl the radiant

laziness to write, and popular name

also known as miss bison

because she beheld satan as he fell from heaven like lightning

[glass monolith]

H13-3 instakills on 25% HP.
I brought Tyue S2 which burst heal on 20% HP. Find the issue

[dark violet]

I see no problem

[glass monolith]

Theoretical question: Does fucking H13-3 boss have stacking damage of Whip dude?

I just don't follow how he sometimes 1 shot full HP Quartz the moment i focus on killing Whip dude

[modern plover]

Maybe check his stats on h13 3?

[glass monolith]

Last time i checked 2880 was less tahn 5732

At least now i know phase 2 don't send whip dude in middle

OH FUCK YOU

He puts her on 24% HP

From 70% with 16% damage reduction

Wait... Oh fuck you his bloody slime cause her to fall to 69% hp and lose no module 3 Quercus damage reduction

Literally gated by Quercus mod 3 gaming, or bring better medic

(Friend supports Vendela)

[steel lance]

Isnt kals second module (the one with aspd) super strong or does it just seem like it?

[sterile delta]

its good yea

[hallow mantle]

not super strong, when I use kaltsit I find mod x suits better

[karmic glade]

it's a average 30% module, I just use x for the utilities

[glass monolith]

God damn found out "easier" La Pluma facing but she fails to kill top lane slimes because they CUT GOD DAMN CORNER ON BLUE BOX

[glass monolith]

[dark violet]

nice

[glass monolith]

Vendela (with Ptilo) cycles faster than boss

[glass monolith]

Thanks lord H13-4 effect is not "boss do more damage phase 2 lmao"

[dark violet]

it's worse

[glass monolith]

Problem of tomorrow me

Worst case i will just throw reed alter at it

[dark violet]

if reed alter was enough, people wouldn't struggle

[glass monolith]

Does his phase 1 buff work as most bosses - hits same target if can't hit 2?

[dark violet]

probably

but if it doesn't have 2 targets you've lost already

[glass monolith]

2 targets with basic attack... Right?

[dark violet]

two targets for the blood mist

[glass monolith]

nah i did win

[dark violet]

ez

and second phase gets faster worm production

and longer blood mist

aka permanent worm regen

[glass monolith]

Wait. He lost execute from h13-3, right?

[dark violet]

yeah

the waves are hard enough

I wonder how you'll react to the 4 cannoneers at once

[glass monolith]

I did H-2 with 1 medic
I did H-3 with 4 medics deployed

Without a single 6*

What kind of shit stage must be to give me a slight panic

[glass monolith]

Ranged kabooms? 0 damage

[dark violet]

if you say so

[glass monolith]

send 4 whip guys and i will feel emotion

They send 4 whip guys. aren't they

[dark violet]

what about 2 whip guys, 2 casters, and worms waves

at once

[glass monolith]

Nah i did win

[dark violet]

nice

[glass monolith]

Just need to somehow slap Lunacub in there

[lethal dragon]

https://youtu.be/WrHsB_Zlqhg

H12-4 7op 5 stars

[glass monolith]

Blue poison soloing cancer copters

[dark violet]

for a second I read H13-4 and I was like what

did we get low * clears?

[crisp bolt]

scene my beloved

there is a 4* H13-4 clear with 9 4* ops

humus gaming

[dark violet]

is it a human clear?

[crisp bolt]

don't know, it does require a lot of redeployments

wait a minute, it's marked as 4* but it has amiya in it

arkrec is lying to me

[dark violet]

amiyalter

1* nuke the board

[crisp bolt]

Amiya is my favorite 4*

[glass monolith]

As person who just stalled that shit to death on H13-3 - ISEEWHYHEDIDTHAT

[crisp bolt]

yeah I understand as well

man was stalling with beanstalk + I think frd to keep boss stuck on the tile

very boring

and since you already need aoe to be dealing with the slugs, it probably takes hours

[dark violet]

makes you miss the million hp robots

[crisp bolt]

man I can't wait for HG to make a return of the million HP robots but now with 90% DR

[glass monolith]

Fun part. I wanted to stall million HP robots. But i forgot to build defenders for job

[lethal dragon]

She is used to setup an auto

Not used in the clear

[crisp bolt]

she gets used at the end to help speed up the boss kill

the entire clear is definitely possible with the ops

[lethal dragon]

used for speed up
Oh well

[latent anvil]

its yuu senpai

🛐

[lethal dragon]

It's wgz the goat

[wooden blaze]

Damn, this is so hard.

I don't think I can defeat H14-4

[dark violet]

mwynar, devourer of skill

[crisp bolt]

I somehow leaked in H13-1

didn't notice till the end when I got a 2* clear

[glass monolith]

That one witch doctor be like:

[wooden blaze]

I needed four operators to not to leak.

Even then sometimes I would leak.

If I don't timed Ethans skills.

[crisp bolt]

H13-2 layout is

[wooden blaze]

Oh you're talking about H13-1

I'm fucking stupid.

[crisp bolt]

yeah I'm not looking at guides so I'm experiencing these stages blindly

[glass monolith]

Same here. H13-2 was first stage when i gave up and friend supported 13th operator

[wooden blaze]

I can't remember how I defeated it lol.

I'm drawing blank.

[glass monolith]

Beat me

[wooden blaze]

I can't. I borrowed Mlynar.

[glass monolith]

i borrowed Tequila so we close at that

[turbid badge]

may the odds ever be in your favor

[crisp bolt]

man my brain is not prepared for this

I keep forgetting to retreat my frds

[glass monolith]

I still haven't done H13-4. I failed to obtain Vendela and her friend support allowed me to H13-3. It is fucking work day at Saturday this week in my country (as set up for 4 day long weekend. but still)
Odds in everything but my favor

[crisp bolt]

there I beat H13-2, all I had to do was stop being 0 iq

[glass monolith]

So Mlynar?

[cosmic thicket]

did you use the Epic Lin Tile

[crisp bolt]

I see the epic lin tile in H13-3

[glass monolith]

If there was something to Lin

that 26 kill count is so bruh

14 blood slimes

[cosmic thicket]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054615259610103819/1232477249664581662/image.png?ex=662b93a2&is=662a4222&hm=a3cef065f1415af458866ae22de43a89573e7d69ce1634b5e18b17eb033360f9&

the whip guys can't damage her

[glass monolith]

I still think it is crime that they get buffed from bomb explosion

[cosmic thicket]

wait they do

bruh

[crisp bolt]

I'm going to hold off on doing H13-4 that was fun

[narrow patrol]

Was able@to see what you guys meant bout thorns in IS3. (Caerula Arbor). Dude is eh til e2 where he goes from kinda meh to bullshit

[jovial nest]

Well I guess he's fine in low-mid diff IS3

[glass monolith]

And high diff is3 is bs

the moment egg fart instantly filled my elemental bar i knew, i am so done with is3

[jovial nest]

ummm

thats why there's a completely different meta for it

kill dem shit as far as possible

and why Horn is one of the premiere ops for it

[ancient hearth]

learning to do d15 is3 relies on powers people consider...unnatural

[latent anvil]

just get good stage rng

[rough current]

What skill do ppl use with horn usually

I default to s1

[latent anvil]

s1 s3, im lazy i use s1

[ancient hearth]

in is3?

or in general

[rough current]

Anywhere really

[ancient hearth]

all 3 depending on stage

[rough current]

I only have s1 at m3…I’m usually too lazy to use the others haha

But maybe if I m3 those I’ll decide they’re not so bad

[jovial nest]

Sometimes you use S2 specifically if Horn has no choice but to block for a lane

in E1...most definitely S2

E1 S1 is kinda meh

[latent anvil]

i have her m9 but i use s1 99% of time lazy

[jovial nest]

yeah that mostly means you have not touched IS3 high diff if you're that passive with Horn.
I don't recommend it either

not a lot can stomach IS game mode, let alone higher difficulties

[latent anvil]

i beat d15

[jovial nest]

but it's great for those who like Roguelites and has an extensive amount of raised operators

[jovial nest]

All 4 endings?

[latent anvil]

i grinded d15 for a few weeks back then

[latent anvil]

no

[jovial nest]

like i said. Not for everyone

[ancient hearth]

you would have to pay me to do is3 d15 jellies again

[jovial nest]

Ending 1 is like the easiest way you can do D15s anyway

[ancient hearth]

the amount of ligma

[jovial nest]

It's gonna be a while before i get an itch to play IS3 again

maybe after I get up to Ela's event release

[ancient hearth]

gets metastatic

quits

[jovial nest]

well depends

if its Ed4 routing, sure

cause that 0 light will spread it to many early on

if it's Ed3....potentially could feel like ass

for Ed1 or 2....passable. Maybe 2-3 ops will get affected. Just praying it doesn't hit some carry ops

[vocal leaf]

what exactly triggers the second wave in h13-4 besides destroying the throne?

[jovial nest]

kill enough enemies

in other words, actually having their fragments bleed out fast or nuking that HP

easier to do with 1st altar bombed

[rough current]

Yeah need to kill all enemies, crystals included

[scarlet mortar]

specifically phase 2 happens if there're no mobs on the field

well, unintentionally anw

[vocal leaf]

by crystals you mean the ambers?

[scarlet mortar]

yh all the ambers need to die

[rough current]

Yep ambers

Boss phase 2 is so much easier with no mobs around

Still a bit gimmicky with the bomb timing though

[latent anvil]

my mlynar is e2 l1 sl1

[jovial nest]

it's still easy enough since Duq'arael's Phase 2 just walks from bot all the way to bot exit and that has an easy direct hit for a bomb.

would be much better to spawn more than 1 bomb from bot though

slightly bit harder to time the top bomb spawn one especially if you got multiple ranged ops stationed already

[rough current]

Yeah when I cleared it today I screwed up timing on first bomb but second one saved the day

I can’t say I was smart enough to figure it out on my own, lol. Ended up relying on kyo guide

Funny how fast boss died with suzu saria s3 ifrit mlynar surtyr all piling on

[jovial nest]

i had to look at some clears for inspiration

inspired me to use Reedic S3, Saria S3, and bring in Suzuran

still happy I did it with my own flavor than outright 1:1 copying

[rough current]

I tried. Even brought a couple ops to 90 out of desperation 😂. But I was missing the key info to kill all enemies before bothering to get boss to phase 2.

Now I need to do that and clear it my own way

[vocal leaf]

they coming

[signal lichen]

trying to figure out how to open h13-4 atm myself

[vocal leaf]

whoops should have use s3 there

[jovial nest]

yeah the opening itself is quite the demand

and then it floods you with those delayed exploding casters on bot

and having to prio those Torturers on top

[remote perch]

why are u using practice plans when the stage is a 100% refund

[vocal leaf]

because i cleared it already, just trying a maleknights clear

i wonder if harold is going to be any better than ansel

[fiery marsh]

Someone had sucess in stalling sanguinarch second phase or the general consensus is burst?

[remote perch]

i tried stalling it with hoshi and eyjaberry, mf mow down it
and i just can't dedicate more slots on making her tanky since u also want to kill the blood ambers fast

[jovial nest]

guys...

stalling Duq'arael is just killing him nonstop

without killing his altar

you don't stall block him

not when he has skills that stun

[remote perch]

ok
and this is p2

[fiery marsh]

Key word was second phase

[jovial nest]

you stall that?

good luck

[remote perch]

he's asking if u can stall it or burst is the way

[fiery marsh]

Yeah that is the problem i ran into

[jovial nest]

he has stuns so thats where the problems lie

cause that means blocker cycling

[fiery marsh]

Guess it is time to finnaly e2 suzuran

[jovial nest]

with a lot of sustain from potentially 2 healers

[remote perch]

meh
stuns is not really the issue, its more of that mf deals way too much dmg

and blood amber rush

[jovial nest]

i guess that strat relies on ops then

cause sustain and the amber rush was the least problematic for me

[flint falcon]

doesn't he only stun after being bombed

[signal lichen]

i believe so

unless its different for h4

afk works on stage 21 for example

and sure the stats are a bit higher on h stage i assume but surely not enough that 1 extra healer can't stall him p2?

[dark glade]

you can still stall on H

[signal lichen]

yeah i would figure that be the case

[dark glade]

it just blood amber spam rather annoying

but i also have ng eyja reed

[signal lichen]

my problem with h3 was well letting units get to 25%

[jovial nest]

ok yeah i checked

the stun is when he dies in Phase 1

and when bombed in phase 2

but here's the problem with phase 2 stall

does this have a cap?

or is this just like Tal's?

[signal lichen]

it must have a cap

or eyja hoe stall would not be possible

[jovial nest]

yeah if you're stalling phase 2

Hoed and Eyja would be the go to

add NG for safety even

[signal lichen]

i used

saria eyja ng myself for afk on stage 21

but i have seen hoed eyja by itself work

for h stages unsure

[jovial nest]

those 2 are always the best stall choices against arts and true dmg that don't have ridiculous ASPD

[signal lichen]

actually yeah

the hp pool is big enough for hoed that he out does it when it comes to arts over another big guard or something

[jovial nest]

thats why I rolled for him

he's a good answer to what the other blockers struggle with

and deals respectable damage too

[hardy fog]

eyjalter s3m3 or nightingale sl7 for h8-4

[signal lichen]

are the burst fast enough for fireballs from eyja?

[jovial nest]

if you can stall Tal

NG's SL7 will suffice

[hardy fog]

true

[jovial nest]

since it can charge enough to get an S3 off for each fireball phase

[hardy fog]

i didn't manage to save one civilian because my nightingale haven't fully recovered her s3

[jovial nest]

you still have to block an area NG can't reach

hilariously...

Surtr S3 can block that one easy

or you can do it with Hoed S3

[hardy fog]

I'll try

[jovial nest]

any HP monster is a good solo lane block for the fireballs

[signal lichen]

tfw i thought the rest of the enemies in h13-4 after 39 came after he enters phase 2 because the time gate is just that long

[jovial nest]

its not a time gate though

it's also a killgate in a way

just make sure to actually "kill" the ambers

[signal lichen]

in phase 2 for for h 13-4 do the slugs still go to bottom exit

and then boss goes to top?

[jovial nest]

nope

all bot

[signal lichen]

oh

ok

[jovial nest]

this is if everyone else is dead

[signal lichen]

i am at kill count 75/75

[jovial nest]

yeah all bot

time to relocate

[signal lichen]

and haven't entered phase 2

[jovial nest]

#strategy message

here's my 2 pics

[grizzled otter]

so this is what they meant by u can kill phase 1 over and over again

[signal lichen]

holy shit

i didn't burst hard enough

mis timed bombs

so my nuke wasn't enough time

the def this guy has without bombs is insane

[noble pewter]

Not def, just 90% dmg reduction

[signal lichen]

[hardy fog]

thansk it worked

i just had to use nightingale s3 early before talulah dies 1st phase

[jovial nest]

weird NG placement

[hardy fog]

true

but it worked

[signal lichen]

time to try and get to 75 kills again

[vocal leaf]

seems like i got it, now it’s time to kill boss

[signal lichen]

so its a kill gate? to get past enemy 37?

i am a little confused acrtually lol

[jovial nest]

yes a kill gate

easier to do when Altar 1 is killed

so you can easily destroy Amber before Duq'arael revives them

[signal lichen]

ok got it

now to survive

[jovial nest]

the best Amber killer I've gotten to use was Tex2's S2

it really nukes those things even if altars are alive

[signal lichen]

tfw my semi heart attack isn't the boss

but after the boss dies

and it starts lagging cuz reed

yeah texas s2 really saved my ass in that stage

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats normal, 2nd form poops also make me lag

[signal lichen]

yeah it doesn't matter for me if its phone or emu

it just lags

i don't have a clear reccording but

i used this + executtor borrow

i really love ambushers on these stages

the bind from ethan is crazy

[dark glade]

hey thats my team minus the ambusher

[signal lichen]

theres just a lot of space for ambushers to thrive

or lanes with lots of things to hit

[vocal leaf]

nooo