strategy

[jovial nest]

i'd sooner bring them than Chargers

and Mumu brings some interesting stuff to the table in laning

[void terrace]

I love mumu caster clones

Having 5 ceobes

Is pretty good

[jovial nest]

I still have soft spots for Suzu and Ceobe's insane values. But yeah, it's not like you want to bring them to every content that ain't high difficulty

[void terrace]

Just timely use of her skill to refresh them is good emough

Qiubai was the real winner this dos

Went from mid 6 star to being on the 6 op team

Of s 3

[jovial nest]

you sure? I guess she won if based on "exposure" gaps

[void terrace]

I mean just in terms of being usedul

She hasn't had much showtime until this event

[jovial nest]

I'm still not too keen on warming up to QB as an arts DPS in S3

[long epoch]

Well, if you are talking about "usefulness" it's more than just a showtime that we see on the public video. In reality, some units can work well but they are just not popular for content makers.

[lapis hornet]

qb alr had some exposure with the stainless funni combo before or am I tripping

[jovial nest]

funni combo....you mean "showcase" videos?

i tend not to count those

[void terrace]

As in in high end content

[sly pivot]

its a secret tech dont leak it

🤫

[void terrace]

She isn't really used that often for higher level shit

Stainless combo is super funny thk

Tho

[jovial nest]

its just that if i have to pick on an arts supercarry, I feel like it will always lead to Ceobe

usual lower RES enemies tend to have good DEF counts

[long epoch]

QB kit looks fine but as the part DPS unit, she had to compete for spots.

With a lot other more busted ops.

[jovial nest]

you know the bar is high when I no longer even use Thorns or Mountain these days

[void terrace]

Damn yeah

I really wanna get blaze module to make hrr

Viable again

[faint compass]

Surely SA still holds up right? He just got his L2D announced and Lord modules probably buff him?

[void terrace]

Like I don't even use kaltist

Anymore

And that's scary

[jovial nest]

Ling and Kal's issues have always been about eating deployment limits too much

even without said summons

[void terrace]

And being unable to heal

Capping their summons utility

[jovial nest]

it's still 8 (average) deployment limit on a 13-squad size

it has to be good value per slot

[void terrace]

I only use monster as fdr stunbomb

Or to try and cheat out an s3 on an odd position to dmg a boss

[jovial nest]

use Eureka
/jk

[void terrace]

Yeah

Actually tho

Is I use her a bunch

Especially on is3

[jovial nest]

well, her cons is ranged harass

[long epoch]

Magallan is underrated. I think she has more potential as team filler summoner.

[jovial nest]

and needing ranged tiles

[void terrace]

Rip boss 1

[jovial nest]

Mag ain't underrated. It's just that you only bring her for S1M3

and the last time that stall was relevant was

CC9

[void terrace]

I mean is her permanent invis even good

[long epoch]

I'm talking about in general

[void terrace]

Her module technically allows her to permanently invis herself

By limiting her deployed drones around herself

[long epoch]

'Showcase' videos saturated her value so much.

[void terrace]

She doesn't leave invis state

But needs some managent

[jovial nest]

well, Mag did have a lot of value....when summoners weren't too common

Scene did a number on her

and then Ling happened

[void terrace]

Cough cough blue woman jumpscare

[long epoch]

Scene works becauses people perception of "Summoner taking half or more" of the team jobs.

[void terrace]

I mean she is the only op with true permant invis on mod 3

[limpid siren]

12th slot vibes

[void terrace]

So I guess that's a niche?

[limpid siren]

Those are kind of a dime a dozen these days though

[long epoch]

Like if you really want to recommend people to spend mats efficiently, Summoners are some of the best bang.

[jovial nest]

its still deployment limit being eaten

its a hard sell

unless you have a very specific strat

like CC9 doing constant redeps and nuke+stall sessions

[long epoch]

People overrates on deploy limit. It's not like they can use all the deploy slot in general.

[jovial nest]

you kinda do but yeah there's always room when we can low ops hard content

[long epoch]

Especially nowadays when we have more powerful self-sufficient ops.

[jovial nest]

you always want a full roster -1 on the map

-1 for FRD/redep nukers needing it

so at the most common deployment limit

7 on lane

[long epoch]

Summoners also kinda (re)deploy their summons relatively fast.

[jovial nest]

1 for FRD/redep

[void terrace]

I mean her s2

[jovial nest]

also 7 commonly on lane is basically 4 ground 3 ranged or vise versa

[void terrace]

Kinda hits hard?????

I gueeessss

Super big stretch

Not me still debating on blaze module

Why must data blocks be so scarce

[jovial nest]

lets not joke ourselves. Not even the summoner-only JT8-3 clear used Mag S2

[void terrace]

I have 25 and if I spend 12 I'm in the red

[jovial nest]

the lack of range is its con. You need a dedicated blocker to make it worth your while

and by that point you might be thinking of using traditional laners instead

2 actual laners rather than Mag +1 S2

[long epoch]

I still like Mag S3 as her defining skill.

[jovial nest]

a good choice to solo the Skill book farm yeah

but i prefer to default her S1

its where she shines for me

[long epoch]

Also as the part of the team, her S3 summon is least intrusive on deploy spot.

Like I use Scene and even Deepcolor and I feel they sticking out like sore thumbs.

[limpid siren]

scene is rough to use in a full team

mayer has less of a footprint

[long epoch]

Yea. I used to dislike how Mayor and Magallan had to retrieve their summons. But after using them more, I kinda like their mobility because they are not sticking to one place.

[limpid siren]

i find them more interesting

[long epoch]

That too.

[limpid siren]

but i am extremely racist to the other summoners

scene gotta be the most boring 5* imo

[jovial nest]

it's about purpose

[lapis hornet]

I suck at using mayer ergo she sucks

[jovial nest]

they may be all summoners

[limpid siren]

lil sis just spams shitty melanthas

[jovial nest]

but roles are massively different

Mayer's is closer to a nuker

[long epoch]

Yea. I stop using Scene because she's so boring.

[jovial nest]

Scene and Ling are for low ops

[limpid siren]

i don't think i agree with their roles being different

[jovial nest]

Mag imo is a staller

[limpid siren]

because mayer and scene both supplement strategies with little shitters

[long epoch]

I like Summoner concept as the "Team filler" more than "One man army".

[jovial nest]

Deepcolor is for 4* clears

[limpid siren]

and both are extremely good low op units

it's just the approach that is different

[long epoch]

[limpid siren]

scene leaves her idiots on the field

mayer blows them up and has a rhythm

[jovial nest]

Team filler is only ever relevant....if you are still lacking in what role to place on the 12th/13th slot

[limpid siren]

they're both low op machines

[jovial nest]

which is not welcome in a non-low-ops run

[long epoch]

Roster slots are not that big relevant.

[limpid siren]

meh idk

[long epoch]

People is too focuses on the "Roles".

[limpid siren]

i run mayer as my 12th slot often enough

i'd never run scene as my 12th slot

[jovial nest]

btw my considerations are always on lategame POV

[lapis hornet]

jusan can't play without yato and texas plz understand

[long epoch]

Rather than "How can I utilize that unit in my team?".

[limpid siren]

yea idk if you're cutting me out of that lategame perspective

[jovial nest]

tell that to some of my IS4 runs

[limpid siren]

but i think i've been squarely in that territory for a while now

[jovial nest]

thats closer to having no choice than having too many choices

that quote is for adapting

not choosing

[limpid siren]

what are you even saying

[long epoch]

[jovial nest]

when you have like hundreds of ops to choose from, that quote is never popping out when deciding your 12th operator

its closer to "what am i still lacking or need more of"

[long epoch]

Lategame PoV are more focuses on "How to make my team looks as silly as possible?" or "How can I tortured myself with that many self-imposed restriction?"

[lapis hornet]

^

[limpid siren]

yea idk

every time i build a 12 op squad lately

i like to try funny goofy stuff

while still keeping it balanced

[lapis hornet]

I'll say though I've never used mag s3 as part of a team it's always been s1

[long epoch]

I played so many similar game to the late contents and they are always that.

[lapis hornet]

mayer I used her like twice in is3 cause ppl kept yapping about it idr a recent case otherwise

[jovial nest]

IS3 Mayer....

[limpid siren]

probably some low op 5* nerd shit that no one cares about

[jovial nest]

that's...

pre-Tex2 Is3

it never existed in Global

only CN

[limpid siren]

?

bro what

[long epoch]

People have different kind of "Lacking". I bet you will see different people in #help comes with their different lack.

[jovial nest]

before Texas Alter, people had to do some weird IS3 meta for high diff

one of em was Mayer to have to stun and nuke the flying units

the manta rays

she's also a good isolated nuker

[limpid siren]

yea but mayer didn't randomly stop working when omertosa released

[jovial nest]

something you want in IS3

It's called using the easier operator

its just easier to stun shit with Tex2 S3

[limpid siren]

😱

[jovial nest]

than consider ranged harass + S2 activation with Mayer

and this is before Ed4 update in IS3

[long epoch]

Just get good relics to have easier time in IS.

[jovial nest]

wherein Krooster shined

[limpid siren]

kroos carried by mom squad

[jovial nest]

and she's also a good way to stun mantas

[limpid siren]

i don't agree

but

[jovial nest]

sure, keep using Mayer

[limpid siren]

she was pushed into service

[jovial nest]

but its just harder

[long epoch]

It's less boring than Tex spam for sure.

[jovial nest]

D15 is already hard enough

no need to make it rougher

but if we're considering like D0 fun

go nuts

[limpid siren]

that's kinda beside the point

i'm just picking on you for the pre-omertosa comment

[jovial nest]

its because i read all about it before Texas Alter arrived

someone who played IS3 up to D15

[limpid siren]

yea me too

[jovial nest]

the meta that surfaced in CN was interesting

[limpid siren]

with 5* units

[jovial nest]

Fiammetta got use

until people discovered that Horn is better

Mayer was necessary

for Manta stun

this was before Krooster S2 was considered

[limpid siren]

there were a few good 5* options

[jovial nest]

Krooster was forced due to Mutual Aid update

[limpid siren]

erato and mayer were usually the best

[jovial nest]

Erato is a nice choice

[limpid siren]

you can mayer that stage

[jovial nest]

but do those manta have good weight for Erato to prio target?

[limpid siren]

kroos was the focus because of mom abuse

yes

?

they're almost always the heaviest units in range

[jovial nest]

one thing's for sure is Erato was decently relevant as a safe pick for TLK ending

[lapis hornet]

damn you must be good at the game plz teach me

[jovial nest]

i mean....everyone is good with Survivor

[limpid siren]

actually i'm very bad

[jovial nest]

what Krooster was there for

is Mutual Aid solution

[limpid siren]

mayer solves that

[jovial nest]

Mayer start....really

[limpid siren]

you can deadass still open highmore/mayer post expansion

[jovial nest]

last i remmeber

Survivor is the shittiest for summoners

[limpid siren]

you pick kroos because mom abuse

[jovial nest]

since the summoner gets the buff, their summons....nothing

[limpid siren]

i'm not talking about mom abuse

holy shit

kroos gets favoured over other options because of the mom relic

[jovial nest]

i mean its all about consistency. I'd rather not pray that i never get Mutual Aid in f1

[limpid siren]

that she also solves mutual aid is a nice bonus

[jovial nest]

but i also don't want a free -2 leak

[limpid siren]

but kroos isn't the only solution to mutual aid

[jovial nest]

if i took the chance

not when light leaks when HP ain't 100%

[jovial nest]

ah thats where the comment of MoM squad is included. Yeah she works amazing for both reasons

[flint laurel]

only not valid on mayer

[jovial nest]

yeah it works at least on Mayer's behalf

since she's a summoner that works as a nuker

still, I'm very impressed to anyone who does Mayer starts in IS3 D15

[grizzled otter]

lol how should i deal with the sarkaz chain casters, still have 4 slots and dont have nightingale

[glass monolith]

Killing them would be a good start

[lapis hornet]

shamare doll can help

ptilo s2

[grizzled otter]

Ill probably try ptilo

[lapis hornet]

suzu + eyja should be able to outheal tho

well just stack some more heal if you can't

while you nuke them

[void terrace]

Eyja s3 out heals them

Nightingale cage distracts them long enough to invalidate them

[lapis hornet]

they're probs using eyja s1

[glass monolith]

I managed to win S-3 after bringing S2 Ptilo to compensate for NG desicion to god damn die every time

[grizzled otter]

Is this considered multiplicative or additive

[lapis hornet]

multi

[grizzled otter]

thx

[leaden kraken]

I just tried SSS again, lost at 2nd floor... GOD I HATE SSS

[lapis hornet]

brah

you know how it works right?

like you stack units on top of each other to get buffs?

[leaden kraken]

I know, and that is what I hate.... I cant decide what units to play, the game randomly gives me crap
Even lvl 1 unleveled characters

[tame wraith]

the s3 boss doesn't use his coffin attack at all in my runs

any idea why?

[glass monolith]

Newest towers looks a bit... Cancerous

[smoky halo]

uh what ur deck looking like?

[leaden kraken]

Random every time...

[smoky halo]

the strat to SSS is to bring carries, stacks, and supporters
u want ur carries to feed off the same stacks to reduce rng

in my clears i use
exec penance and mizu for carries
they use vg as stack so i bring 7vg
then fill the rest with supporters

[smoky halo]

what u bring 20 ops right

what do u fill them with

[leaden kraken]

I do not even understand the terminology 😄

[brave sun]

you can start off with less ops?!

[leaden kraken]

Every E2 max unit I have

[smoky halo]

carry = dps units
stack = 'useless' unit thats just there to buff ur carry
supporter = draw more

[brave sun]

and u only have less than 20 e2s right

[smoky halo]

half the units u bring should be supporter

[brave sun]

thats why you get offered random crap

[smoky halo]

supporters lets u summon more units so u dont get fucked by rng

[bold lance]

Well there is your problem. Bring 3. Take 5+ buffs to stack on them. A medic. And rest supporters.

[brave sun]

use robots

[smoky halo]

yah bring 2-3 dps 1medic(if needed) 10 supporters and fill the rest with stacks

[brave sun]

so game doesnt give you random shit and gives you the e2 outside your squad

[leaden kraken]

is 1000% confused

[smoky halo]

show roster instead maybe

[fathom mesa]

The #1 tip for SSS is to not play it

[brave sun]

show your tactical screen

[smoky halo]

🤩

[brave sun]

most likely bad options

and show roster yeah

[bold lance]

You do not play SSS by bringing a mish mash of your e2. You select three good ops, use the buff mechanic and play exclusively around building buffs on those three ops.

This is how you remove the RNG.

[smoky halo]

me when the 3 carries are at the bottom of my deck

[brave sun]

you select more good ops lmao

[smoky halo]

and now i have to reset bc i lost and cant get the medal

[brave sun]

but if you have only 3 that still works

[leaden kraken]

That is kinda pointless; better to link this: #strategy message

[brave sun]

some bozos have their supporters on 10 tactical tickets instead of transfer

[smoky halo]

chong gavial mudrock shining
6 vanguards 10supporters

stack 5 vanguards on top of each other

then stack chong/gav/mud on it

repeat until all 3 of them are out

place supporter literally anywhere since theyre just there to let u recruit more ops

[brave sun]

do you know how high def gets to fib for the enemies?

[smoky halo]

abovr 1k below 2k

except for the boss

boss was mid2k iirc

[leaden kraken]

Skills? I never play chong or gavi

[smoky halo]

s3 chong
s2 gavi

[brave sun]

anyhow use robots roze. you shove all your e2s in and most likely run out of dp

[smoky halo]

for supporters just bring ur lowest cost 10 supporters

they have no purpose aside from letting u get more units

for vg well built vg are obv better since u can generate dp with them

but e0 lv1 vg is also fine

[leaden kraken]

Ground tile or high-tile for supporters?

[smoky halo]

anywhere

u dont stack them

just place and retreat

[brave sun]

if it is not suzu/gnosis/skalter just pick the lowest cost ones

[leaden kraken]

Supporters as in actual supporter class?

[brave sun]

yes

[leaden kraken]

Gavial and chong is just Skill lvl 7, is that ok?

[smoky halo]

should be fine tbh

[grizzled otter]

bring scene and deer color pretty sure they are the cheapest

[leaden kraken]

has not E2'd very many Vanguards, even less 6star

Suzuran is high cost tho, compared to rest

Scene+orchid is L1

[brave sun]

thats better, dp cost is the issue lol

bring your heidi and what not

i have a moduled mag and i dont use her

[grizzled otter]

Supporters are used to cycle your deck so you want supporters to be as low dp as possible

Levels dont matter here

[lapis hornet]

I'd bring one more carry at least

you only have chungus and gavial

and idk how gavial does as primary carry tbh

[grizzled otter]

mudrock is a carry technically

[lapis hornet]

well you could use suzu s2 but you don't have ranged stacks

which map is that anyway

[leaden kraken]

Well, at this point I'm pretty much lost, so I'll just screenshot key points in the progress...

I'm assuming start placing vanguards as stated above? 5 then Chong as he is avail.
What do I do with the supporters?

[brave sun]

chuck them away 4/4

[leaden kraken]

No buffing of shining I assume? And is it the same pattern for every floor?

[brave sun]

not with his strat yes

[leaden kraken]

So, after Vanguard x4 text drop carry?

[brave sun]

ping him i have no idea if chong will leak by himself

i would do double stack of vg leave siege on top

deploy all your supporters

deploy carry if needed

[leaden kraken]

Lol... lost on first map

[leaden kraken]

What should I pick between levels?

[grizzled otter]

thx for suggestion just beat s-3

[leaden kraken]

What should I go with?

[limpid siren]

i tend to prefer reassignment transmitter

your graveyard is more likely to be smaller than your deck, and will typically only have units you'd like to use again

so it's generally easier to find another fodder unit like a vanguard to keep building stacks for a carry

and at worst it's just a supporter that lets you keep drawing

preparation area transmitter is similar enough that i'd still be fine taking that

emergency recall box is the one i'd avoid, since it implies your carry is in danger of dying

so it's fixing a problem you should be trying to avoid in the first place

[low shard]

Hi hi can anyone help me make a team for A-3? (i'm posting roster in a minute)

[limpid siren]

@lapis hornet is a big dalao and can probably help

[low shard]

The sigma snorlax pfp person!!

[limpid siren]

i haven't played A-3 yet so i can't really help, sorry

but if cake is around he can probably help

[leaden kraken]

Helidrops like texalter seems worthless in SSS 😄

[tidal sedge]

Theres a few folks who use Spec A to loop Yato and Texter

[low shard]

Limk to any?

Limnk*

LINK*

Damn keyboard

[tidal sedge]

I don't know of any vids, just a few folks saying they do it

[low shard]

Ok

[spark sinew]

just put texas/yato

then put texas/yato on it

with your roster it's just easier to stack 5 vg on mlynar or something, depending on the map

[leaden kraken]

Except I do not have miynar 🙂

[spark sinew]

sss allows one support unit

btw i would use suzu s3

you have no ranged stacks anyway, just use her as a helidrop that gives you more currency to dig for your carries

[leaden kraken]

I keep failing at F5

[spark sinew]

os this the one with cars

or the other one ngl i would take a bit more defenders than you currently have
burst is almost non existent, you can try like suzu s3/mag s1 and then try to just kill them with galter and chong

[leaden kraken]

Cars

[spark sinew]

yeah just try to find all your carries and stack them, when enemies come over use maga s1/suzu s3 (idr if map has enough space for maga) and try to nuke them

[leaden kraken]

Cant do it... Busses keep picking up those chonks, and the busses takes all my blocks themselves, when one blows, it goes to shit

[spark sinew]

yeah if you would redo the map, just put more defenders (and borrow either executor or mlynar)

supporter wise people already told you, but stuff like ange or maga if you're not really using them, are better be some cheap e0 supports (bards are a typical choice)

that's some random shit i put for the emergency, that swept it. you really want some high block, especially because the map-exclusive device wants you to have more block

ideally i should've cut some defenders and even 1-2 vangs for supports but oh well

[leaden kraken]

Yeah, but my supporters keep dying from the exploding thingies 😛

[spark sinew]

yeah it's sad for suzu

[spark sinew]

for the others you generally don't care at all

they're just there to fill the slots

[leaden kraken]

Still cant do it 😛

[spark sinew]

did you reset it and went into with a new team, or are you using the old one

[leaden kraken]

I do not have half of carries you showed... Ines non-leveled, and the first two males I do not have at all.

Chong sucks on this.... no block at all....

[spark sinew]

those are not carries, those are fillers to get more block from

borrow mly, get some defenders that you have (ideally healing ones, + like one regular) and maybe put one or two medics

[leaden kraken]

I DID IT

14 tries 😄

Which order is best? Gavial (rear) -> Mud -> Chong?

Oh... last map I'm giving up on... 2 exits....

Ice cream truck keeps escaping... I not have enough dps to kill it

[spark sinew]

just leak it

[leaden kraken]

I insta lost when it leaked

[spark sinew]

it eats 2 hp

you can have 3

[leaden kraken]

I had 2 😛

Keep leaking stuff, gavial cant block

And, I cant get mudrock out in time

Yeah, gavial keeps leaking.... And chong....

[spark sinew]

if you're still using your team above i would've reset awhile ago

let alone after 10 attempts it's probably just wasting your own time ngl

[leaden kraken]

blames @smoky halo for the lineup

Honestly, I hate all those "buff" thingies you get, they take operator slots and imo, are useless 😛

[spark sinew]

they're really op

at least the thingy unique for this map is

[leaden kraken]

just E2 maxed Penance to have more muddy defenders

[tidal sedge]

Energy Perturbation is nice for fish maps

But I'm also a cc comp enjoyer

[leaden kraken]

I need to stop with these SSS... costs too much... I'm below 10M L again from upgrading ops 😦

[spark sinew]

maxing penance

idt it was lvl70/80 penance that held you back tbf

[leaden kraken]

Um... I went from 1 to E2 90 .... I never put any resources into her before...

[spark sinew]

going to 90 might've been a bit extreme but she's an excellent SSS carry

[leaden kraken]

Which skill?

[spark sinew]

3

please mastery it though

[leaden kraken]

After Ceobe

Need her for event

[jagged gale]

Can anyone help me figure out how to beat 9-19 standard

c:

[glossy wolf]

i'm impressed. they were rly quick

[spark sinew]

we're so back

stinky rat gone

although i heard about some cursed shining lin attempts

[remote perch]

Im assuming you're having the usual problem with 9-19, the phase 2 of the boss

[jagged gale]

Yeah 😭

I have some six stars but idk which to use

[remote perch]

Have you been using the pillars?

[jagged gale]

Yeah but I still can’t defeat her 2nd phase before the next wave of ads and defenders come in

[remote perch]

no, you're gonna use the pillars to almost kill the boss

[jagged gale]

Do I use the pillars for the first phase too then? I’m able to just use a guard for that

[remote perch]

save the pillar for phase 2
for phase 1, you can stall it, or if u have the units to burst it, do it

[jagged gale]

Word

I guess I should primarily use guards right

[remote perch]

arts guard or healing defender
since they have res

[jagged gale]

Ohhhh ok cool

I’ve been using nearl alter for phase 1

[lapis hornet]

is 890 max?

[scarlet mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1160412003186257992/1226290511657308190/0b0e4c4be41477614ca744f69df3fa1b527073772.png

problem: -def tag
solution: +def

[glass monolith]

Ceobe players eating good

[lapis hornet]

no way shining useful?

[jovial nest]

They always were. Ceobe just loves hyperinflated DEF enemies with acceptable RES. A very common staple in the hardest contents

[ivory leaf]

Too many options to E2 help

[void terrace]

Who are ya looking at

[ivory leaf]

Silver ash

[void terrace]

Wait does ifrits Res shred apply first or does ceobes ignore apply first?

[void terrace]

Do you have mylnar?

[ivory leaf]

Wait me or Someone?

[ivory leaf]

Nop

[void terrace]

If not just get silverash I guess

Ss your roster?

[ivory leaf]

My other are Exu,Hoshi,Qiubai

[ivory leaf]

Sureee

[void terrace]

Yes silverash

That's about it

[void terrace]

Yeah silverash

[ivory leaf]

Righty

[jovial nest]

I'm not entirely sure about it. But considering there's more than 1 hit.....RES shred will always be present and then the next attacks of Ceobe will Ignore the new RES?

[void terrace]

Ah so it's better than flat Res down applying before Res shred

[jovial nest]

but usually, you just apply shreds first before using the nuke button

[void terrace]

Like how flat Def ignore applies before Def shred

[foggy grove]

ignore res applied last

[jovial nest]

ask someone else as well

I'm not entirely sure if my theory is right

[void terrace]

I think it should br

[jovial nest]

i don't know the intricacies of debuffs. I just....do them

[void terrace]

Dosent make sense to code it otherwise

[void terrace]

Ay

[foggy grove]

flat first>%>ignore res

[void terrace]

Speaking of which I should m3 stainless s1

The decision paralysis is killing me

[jovial nest]

Nice to know. So it follows the best logic

wait no

best logic is %>flat

heh

wait no

depends on how high the DEF/RES is

[void terrace]

It's between blaze mod, some mastery or mizuki

[crisp bolt]

[void terrace]

Nah percent before flat is always better no

[jovial nest]

flat being first is best for stats that aren't hyperinflated

if numbers get too high

% is better first

that is for def....RES is always capped at 100% iirc

[crisp bolt]

95%

[jovial nest]

but then, it depends on how high the % and flat is

is that the cap when Bob got his risk 3 in CC4?

[crisp bolt]

It doesn't at all

[foggy grove]

there is this weird shenanigan with res
for debuffing intent,res apparently not capped at 100%

[crisp bolt]

No but that's the effective cap because 5% minimum damage

[foggy grove]

but when ignore res kick in they clamp it to 100 first if it's still above 100

[jovial nest]

oh...

[void terrace]

Damn anyone know any good device farming stages. 9- 10 sucks ass

[jovial nest]

every device farm in story sucks ass

event device farming also sucks

but less

[void terrace]

Ikr

[jovial nest]

device is always hell

you can do 7-15

for a change of pace

[void terrace]

Any personal favourites anyone

Ikr

But the stage is longer

[crisp bolt]

I forget which one I do

[void terrace]

9-10 thankfully is a short stage

I remember doing 5 -10 or whatever (mephisto plus Faust) caus it guarantee drops orirock too

But it's so long

[jovial nest]

just do 9-10 or 7-15

dedicate yourself to the device effeciency

[void terrace]

Is farming yellow just more efficent

Like T3 mats

[jovial nest]

the only good yellow farm are roccs because it's guaranteed

[celest bluff]

Anyone have archeto for borrow, I have mine but she is e1

[gray stone]

Who can one cycle the Shadow guards in A-3

[novel pivot]

i looked at S-3 out of morbid curiousity

ha

no

im not touching that

[cyan gorge]

Good luck one cycling over 2k def and 70 res with one op
Aak'd Surtr does just about half btw

[cyan gorge]

I have m9 with both mods of you're still looking

[smoky halo]

left side elite? ceobe + silence source

[boreal veldt]

that's fucking disgusting what the hell

is this shit just for r18+ sickos

[gray stone]

nuh uh I'm killing Sverd with her

the boss first phase can be one cycled

[smoky halo]

the boss afks for 50s

in 1 tile

u can just redeploy her

[gray stone]

nah I'm murdering it

in 1 sec

[smoky halo]

sutur has 3.3k dps iirc

so u need uh

25ish seconds of sutur

assuming u silence it

[boreal veldt]

can kal fuck up A3 left side

[gray stone]

no

[soft crystal]

no lmao

[gray stone]

80k HP lmao

[smoky halo]

she can half hp it iirc

[smoky halo]

90*

[boreal veldt]

well I'm all out of ideas

[soft crystal]

mon3tr also just dies of cringe

[smoky halo]

ceobe lapp trust

[cyan gorge]

I find it far easier to kill the dublin guards slowly with tank + Reedic and caster than try to burst it with 3+ ops

[soft crystal]

thats the normal way to do it

[boreal veldt]

then I'll do that

[smoky halo]

yah reed s2 works wonders

if only i had reed

[boreal veldt]

so right side should I use ines and someone punchy

[gray stone]

Yes but nah

[boreal veldt]

like horn

[smoky halo]

do u have shaw s1m3

[gray stone]

Right side I just kill them in the same spot

[smoky halo]

[boreal veldt]

no but I can

[vocal leaf]

or schwarz, pozy or typhon

[smoky halo]

shaw s1m3 can perma stall them

under any healer kek

[boreal veldt]

lol

[smoky halo]

but u can just burst

they have like 800 def iirc

30 res

70k hp

or smthing around that

[boreal veldt]

alright
so what do I do for the boss, AH?

[smoky halo]

arts nuke

if u wanna stall AH works ig

[cyan gorge]

Mlynar hospital while Typhon deletes boss

[boreal veldt]

arts nuke! love a good arts nuke

[vivid rain]

i dont think the invis guy even have any res

[smoky halo]

they have

i remember it being 30 or smthing

[boreal veldt]

they're dublinn ofc they have res

[vivid rain]

the dublinn res come from refraction which shadowblade dont have

[boreal veldt]

everyone knows the IRA resists magic

[smoky halo]

ira?

[vivid rain]

i only know the IRS resists terrorist attacks

[smoky halo]

[boreal veldt]

these boyos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army

[smoky halo]

[vivid rain]

ip grabbe-

[boreal veldt]

look ya can't have an irish freedom fighter cell named after the fucking capital without opening yourself up to the most basic of comparisons

[smoky halo]

[boreal veldt]

alright time to hit refresh until I see a s2 reed instead of s3

be back in 27 hours

[gray stone]

ok A-3 done

[celest bluff]

Get your ass back yo #ak-lore

[gray stone]

rarity abuse? nah there's 2 5 stars in there

[celest bluff]

But hey, where tf is my cars bombing

[cyan gorge]

Me who has had Reedic s2 on support for a month now

[boreal veldt]

do you want some friend creds fam

[celest bluff]

Texalt s2lv7 bruhhhhhhh

[gray stone]

it's a shit skill

only taken because I need to break the chains

[celest bluff]

Still good

[gray stone]

no

[gray stone]

People should be more worried about my mod0 Saria

[boreal veldt]

res debuffs are bad actually
-local greyy stan

[gray stone]

yeah call me back when it -60% RES 🥱

[boreal veldt]

unlimited power

[void terrace]

Anyone need mod Typhon or mylnar or anyone

Damn speaking of which I should raise kazemaru

Is archetto worth anything at the moment?

Have her skin but she's still level 1 ☠️

[cyan gorge]

Chetto still good as a flexible sniper in all content

[boreal veldt]

accept my friend request @cyan gorge you're my only hope

[void terrace]

I mean compared to Ash and exu she certainly does better against sliiightly higher def and unstunnable enemies

But between her and mizuki

I mean these are the only ops I've left to raise

And that's my order of raising them. Considering bumping cheto up the list

The descipn paralysis is realllllll

Perhaps I should just do ebon in preparation of virtuoso event

[boreal veldt]

do a pallas start in is2

go for bear

[cyan gorge]

Did you send one? I didn't get a request

[boreal veldt]

what da

[cyan gorge]

or do I already have you added

[boreal veldt]

ok no I guess I got confused by the ui

[boreal veldt]

unfortunately you can't beat A3 with this team

[modern copper]

Can I beat 2-5?

Trying to take advantage of the choke point does not help

[boreal veldt]

yeah probably
this is actually pretty balanced

[modern copper]

Enemy spam overwhelmes spot

A lot

And I couldn't place any other shielders that die immediately cus of the casters

[boreal veldt]

you should try borrowing a support unit until you can at least e1 lappland or suzu

probably lapp

I don't remember 2-5 hold on

is your problem you're getting overwhelmed before you can set up or after you're set up?

[modern copper]

Before I can fully 100% set up

[gray stone]

2024 chapter 10 gaming

hard stage btw

[void terrace]

I have all endings in all squads

Kalt and yalt are the true way to bear

[boreal veldt]

something that might really help here is borrowing either a long range unit like shirayuki or typhon so you can kill the casters safely, or a fast redeploy like texas or yato so you can kill them one at a time

the 6* texas and yato alters, they're specialists

I remember that level giving me trouble

I think I dropped melantha on one of the casters and that gave me a lot of breathing room

[gray stone]

2-5 is a stage that requires either
1 - Good Marksmen to take down the casters
2 - Overleveled (Support) units

I would take option 2 to get it done with fast

[modern copper]

I am not good at the gourd chip getting stage

Too many enemy spam, cannot kill fast

[modern copper]

What's podenco for?

[gray stone]

Does nothing in that particular stage
Borrow a Kirin R Yato and make life easier

[modern copper]

By yato you mean the alt yeah?

[gray stone]

Yes
Kirin R Yato

[modern copper]

Jesus crap what kind of Flintstones gummies was yatoalt on

Absolutely shreds everything in its path

Is it gacha only or

[gray stone]

Limited collab operator
So near 0 chance of getting her again (the 0.00001% is if CapCom agrees for a reprint)

[strange fable]

r6s collab rerun only took a few years

Surely mh reruns comes

[modern copper]

Not even record restoration?

[gray stone]

Nope
It's gone for probably ever

The game is perfectly clearable without her, but her power budget is probably very overwhelming for a new player

[modern copper]

What was the collab with

[strange fable]

Monster hunter

[gray stone]

Monster Hunter, Capcom
It took Ubisoft 3 years to get the R6S part 1 out of the hole so don't expect anything

[boreal veldt]

I use texas the omeratosa way more, they do a lot of the same things
texas is another alter but you can at least get her on a yearly basis

[modern copper]

I need help with 2-6 now, same team, utilizing the choke points was a bad mistake cus of the airborne soldiers, what now

Oh wait

Fast redeploy

[boreal veldt]

more gun

[modern copper]

Lemme try that

[cyan gorge]

Accepted btw

[boreal veldt]

beat A3 with your reedic but holy shit S3 has every single most annoying enemy in the game huh

[modern copper]

I don't think I have enough gun

[boreal veldt]

if you learn where they drop you can spawnkill them

@modern copper who are your other 6*s anyway

[modern copper]

Flametail

Suzu

[boreal veldt]

huh

[modern copper]

And weed

[boreal veldt]

oh weedy is cool

you don't have anyone who is just 0 brain only kill except lapp

that's pretty wild tbh

lapp is great though so you should be fine

[modern copper]

I'd let her tear me into a thousand shreds, along with anything else that comes into her vicinity

I'm tryna get the promote chips for her

But the stage is a little hard

Hard as in the enemy spam overwhelmes me

[boreal veldt]

yeah it's pretty much impossible if you don't bring at least 3 vanguards

you don't need to level them all

I think the center gets the least pressure actually

[modern copper]

It's the left that gets the most I'm thinking

[boreal veldt]

and the healing tiles let you get away with no medic

yeah

I probably beat it with courier, vigna, and plume or fang

then kroos for more dps, then swapped out my crappiest vg for a guard
probably melantha

[modern copper]

THE WHAT

[boreal veldt]

hold on am I confusing 2 levels

oh yep I sure am

I was thinking of the vg/supporter level my bad

yeah ok the guard/specialist one
I used shaw and cliffheart here to get a lot of push and pull kills

weedy would work wonders

I think you can probably get away with just weedy on the center lane

the right is the easiest to hold

hell you could put shaw in the protected melee tile diagonally from a blocker like spot

[modern copper]

How exactly does the push thing work

Show us a gif of a push death

[vital arrow]

You literally jusy push the enemy down a ditch

[boreal veldt]

my phone is about to die lol

[vital arrow]

And they die

[boreal veldt]

but yeah that's it

[modern copper]

Yeah but do I have to have weedy facing the ditch or

[vital arrow]

Yes

Show which stage

[modern copper]

Literacy

[vital arrow]

You know Im not here for the past hour right

[modern copper]

And they go towards the ditch?

[vital arrow]

Yes

[modern copper]

And what about for a pull thing like cliffheart

[boreal veldt]

left side I would do a medic (who also heals weedy) and two ops, whichever do the most damage
cool kid tip of the day: when the deployable squares are staggered like this if you turn your forward op around facing the rear op they can attack anyone blocked by the rear op, assuming your rear op has 1 tile of range in front of them

cliff yoinks anyone who gets in her range of 3

about a tile towards her

if they hit a pit they fall in

[boreal veldt]

that works yeah

or you can put another pusher there facing down with a blocker to their SW but you won't be able to heal the blocker with a normal medic

[vital arrow]

Dont we have a tutorial on how to push someone down a ditch or somethinf

[boreal veldt]

yeah

it's actually right after 2-6

[shell arch]

What's the bare minimum for S-3?

Ceobe and 2 other slowers/debuffers?

[vital arrow]

Having ceohe mlynar and suzu

[shell arch]

S-3 is definitely harder than cc beta me thinks

[vital arrow]

S3 is statcheck

CC beta is coping with 1 ranged tile

[boreal veldt]

the fabled angelina tile

[modern copper]

Why do people use weedy instead of shaw

[shell arch]

Because she pushes with more force than shaw?

[vital arrow]

People use shaw instead of weedy

The only people who use weedy are sweaty tryhards

Aka lategame players

[boreal veldt]

^

it happens to everyone

also waifu gamers

[vital arrow]

Weedy is pratically useless before shes M6

[boreal veldt]

I don't have her so I've only used my friend's m6 weedy lmao

shaw is my only built pusher

"built"

girl is still e1 and I have like 75 e2s

pits are for real a mechanic you don't have to worry about for very long

[viscid raft]

Or people who only have weedy as their 6*

[vital arrow]

I wouldnt use weedy even if shes my only *6

I can raise like 3 other *4s with that money

[boreal veldt]

if I started with weedy I would for sure be a weedy sicko right now

I would use her out of spite

[smoky halo]

why not use weedy s2 as walmart blaze

[vital arrow]

I'd probably use pinecone

Calling weedy s2 walmart blaze is generous

[foggy grove]

walmart blaze is like uh that centurion from r6

[viscid raft]

Tachanka?

[foggy grove]

fuze

[modern copper]

I will not build weedy ❌

I will not build weedy ❌

I will not build weedy ❌

I shall chant this mantra 3 times a day for free xp

[foggy grove]

no one cares

[viscid raft]

Fuze is coming out next event right

Along with iana, doc, and Ela

[tidal sedge]

2nd Rainbow 6 event will likely be quite some time for global

[modern copper]

How do I find the deployed sprite of ops

[modern copper]

There's a r6 event??

[vital arrow]

Youre 2 years late and 6 months too early

[vital arrow]

https://aceship.github.io/AN-EN-Tags/akhrchars.html?opname=Typhon

Tap 'show SD'

Only some ops have it

[modern copper]

Load failed 🙏

[modern copper]

💥

[tidal sedge]

Prts has them too

[limpid siren]

aceship is fairly outdated for chibis last time i checked

[strange fable]

Heres the operator list on prts wiki: https://m.prts.wiki/w/干员一览

Just select an operator to see their profile and scroll down a bit to find the chibis

might need to google translate the page a bit tho

[modern copper]

I love bimontly

[remote perch]

ayo who is this hot lady

[limpid siren]

iana

5* from the recent r6s collab

[remote perch]

oh thats iana

[void terrace]

Damn

Ho'ol mod 2 coming

Copium much

AOE tornados when

[tidal sedge]

Interesting amount of levitate related stuff coming with Ascalon

[limpid siren]

yea

seems HG feels a bit more confident about it not being too abusable

[tidal sedge]

I'm interested in new guard archetype statline too

I get the feeling they're like new age centurions, or at least an attempt at such

[limpid siren]

feels like the second bite of the cherry for crusher design

[limpid siren]

i think like 1k atk is about the minimum they can have given how their splash works

[tidal sedge]

They seem to attack pretty slow ye

So high base attack seems plausible. Ballpark skill mod numbers, def and block will be interesting to see

[limpid siren]

weirdly i'm kinda expecting 1 block

[tidal sedge]

Oh? Because s2 has rapid crowd control I'm guessing?

[limpid siren]

idk i just kinda get the feeling they'll be tied to the hip of another unit somehow

it might tread less on centurion identity this way too

crusher felt really half-baked in that way

where it was just like 2 block centurion but 0 def

[tidal sedge]

That'd make sense in conjunction with 4* rateup being a juggernaut

The rapid infliction of levitate would compensate for 1 block too. On-skill at least

[limpid siren]

the levitate being exclusive for light enemies makes me think odda will be pretty restricted to clearing trash

kind of like a ground splash caster

which is kinda

[tidal sedge]

Talent activating after dealing some amount of damage leans into that too.

[limpid siren]

hoping the +atk% isn't too small

but ig if we assume like 1k base atk, then something like +20% is pretty hefty

[tidal sedge]

5* talent modifiers have been in the 15-25% range as of late

[limpid siren]

that's true

oh

the power-strike

2 sp goodness? or 3 sp curse

[tidal sedge]

Did it have unique name or generic name? If former, 2 sp is possible. If latter, I think it'll be 3 sp

[limpid siren]

looks unique enough

[tidal sedge]

I think it isn't Powerstrike X. So 2 sp is possible. Though there is precedence for 3 sp unique name powerstrike in April.

But she's also pretty old design by this point

[limpid siren]

power-strike + effect has also been dinked on the sp cost historically

but idk if they're gonna count +splash as an effect when in reality it's just like

a sideways type of +dmg

[tidal sedge]

Hmm. The closest precedence for +splash/targets would be launch 5*s. I guess it'll be interesting to see

[limpid siren]

they've reach a much happier place for gauging sp costs since then

[long epoch]

Though having powerstrike kinda implies that their majority of damage will still come from the skills.

[limpid siren]

sure?

[long epoch]

Well, having good off-skill DPS is kinda the exception for this type of game.

But S1 is usually the generic skill that fills in the gap for consistency.

[limpid siren]

yea

if my guess about him functioning like a ground splash caster is accurate

then i think his S1 should be a good litmus test for his value

[void terrace]

They feel like rosmotis

[long epoch]

Yea

[void terrace]

And will probably suffer the same

50% splash is kinda brutal against defence

Staineless turrets get around it by being a 300% multiplier anyway

[tidal sedge]

Is it 50% damage scale or atk scale

[void terrace]

Atk

[limpid siren]

we don't know that yet

i would guess dmg_scale

[void terrace]

I mean it's basically rosmotis but ground

[limpid siren]

well, i would cope dmg_scale

is what i should say

[long epoch]

It's interesting to note about off-skill DPS because it's what contributes the most to actual damage dealt.

[tidal sedge]

I would hope they learned from flingers and go with damage scale

[void terrace]

Damn if only ho'ol gets a good mod

It's probably going to be something stupid like enemies above 50% hp get weightless

[limpid siren]

i think this is a red herring

[void terrace]

Instead of 70

[limpid siren]

because flingers are specifically two instances of damage

[void terrace]

I mean

[limpid siren]

the translation for odda rn seems to imply it's one hit

[void terrace]

Look at stainless turret

It is exactly the same concept

Initial atk does full DMG, aoe splash does 50% of atk

Or atk scale

[tidal sedge]

They also could have learned from that and do damage scale instead

[void terrace]

Hopefully

[long epoch]

Though if you are accounting how units get archived, they would need the replacement of some kinds which ultimately, Earthshaker could be just another flavour of Centurion.

[limpid siren]

[void terrace]

His turret is so underrated

It's basically a kroos

You can attach onto an aoe hitting guard

Or just spam fast stackers on it or ling and ethan

And watch them go crazy

[limpid siren]

i feel like it's generally just 1 + 1 < 2

but sure

it is fun

[scarlet mortar]

the turret's attacks are arguably the least impactful utility they have

if you compare it to the DR and atk recovery synergies

[void terrace]

300% atk scale and stainless also has an inbuilt atk up. Combo with skalter and chongyues and you have an anti air anti everything chongyue

[tidal sedge]

I think similarly. It is possible they feel centurion statline has gotten somewhat outdated so they're toying with ideas for replacements

[scarlet mortar]

yh but that sacks chongyue's lane since the turret has reduced taunt

[limpid siren]

kernel feels like a step in the direction of being able to revisit old design space

[scarlet mortar]

it's more funny than notable

[limpid siren]

while also removing some bloat from the standard pool

[void terrace]

Chong S3 is aoe. Usually I use it with ling dragons or gavail

[long epoch]

Well, that's based on my experience with Aigis anyway.

[void terrace]

Those can consistently trigger the turret at high rates

[scarlet mortar]

ling onskill is a better combo yh

[scarlet mortar]

there's also ros, but everyone knows that one

[void terrace]

Dragon turret Congo line

Is fun

Is ros mod worth 0_o

[scarlet mortar]

good if you use her iirc

[tidal sedge]

Mod1 is pretty substantial dps increase

[void terrace]

I just realised stainless solves her unable to hit air problem

Love her design

Might get mod 1 then use her to proc stainless

[turbid badge]

Angelina s2 best

for 1 turret

or behinter

butt

why draft and use the bad skill

[jovial nest]

have people forgotten that AoE casters and Artilleryman exists?

Flingers have aftershock effects

Odda doesn't

[void terrace]

As in the 50% atk scale part

[jovial nest]

i can imagine that was the case because guards naturally have higher atk bases

i wonder how the testing went for them

most likely they measured a 6* statted counterpart and it was a bit nuts for them

[spark sinew]

"solves"?

oh it's ling not ros

my bad

[celest bluff]

Yep, Lin can do that

[leaden kraken]

Is Mud + Penance + Chong + Goldenglow a good SSS start?

[spark sinew]

why gg

[leaden kraken]

Cause strong and cute :3

[spark sinew]

both are fairly arguable

i wouldn't bother with gg if you run 3 melee carries

[vital arrow]

GG sticks like a sore thumb there

[spark sinew]

get some support mly instead or something

[bold lance]

If you are going to play sniper stackers, drop that chonguye and borrow a Gnosis.

[spark sinew]

maybe even cut chong, depending
although he is fairly strong

yeah you can go ranged carry (which will be weaker/much weaker if you playing Thomas map)

with like suzu gg gnosis leizi carries

[dark glade]

honestly they can probably still clear even tho the 'start' is all over the place

[tall cairn]

[spark sinew]

yeah it still clears, but it clears despite gg contributing negative amount

[dark glade]

unless i see some help tier SSS teambuilding

[scarlet fulcrum]

They will, my start always with underrated shits

[leaden kraken]

I kinda need a AA in the seaborn missions

[dark glade]

you... dont...

are there even any threat than the flying seaborn thing

[bold lance]

Don't you have a leveled Irene?

Just bring that with vg 5 stack

gg ez, go next

[spark sinew]

get mly, you have enough aa
also yeah you have irene

[leaden kraken]

No irene

Not leveled

[spark sinew]

and then later on you're forced to pick some ops anyway

didn't you have lvl80 irene

[bold lance]

She is right there

On the roster you've sent

[spark sinew]

is this "not leveled"

my guy

[bold lance]

Is this man trolling

[spark sinew]

that seems like fairly high level

[dark glade]

wait he sent rooster

where

[leaden kraken]

Oh, I was thinking of Ines.. my bad

[spark sinew]

.

[tall cairn]

No mod. Bricked Irene.

[spark sinew]

mod is bad anyway 🛌

wait for the second one

[bold lance]

Doesn't really matter with 100% attack and 5 sp a second

[leaden kraken]

mod?

[tall cairn]

No need. I was just trolling.

[dark glade]

wtf its stacked box

[tall cairn]

[dark glade]

ssssssssssssssssssssssssdaaa