lmao imagine True DMG
#strategy
jovial nest
deft badger
i hope degen doesnt feel squishy like irene does
polar crane
phys with 25% def ignore
jovial nest
guys
lapis hornet
damn if only viktor was still alive I wanna see some raw numbers
jovial nest
if you're having issues with squishiness of nukers
noble pewter
irene is 100% phy ignore?
deft badger
but degen can disarm so..
jovial nest
use ACTUAL tanks
spark sinew
wait how much did they buff mortars wtf
polar crane
irene is 100% phy ignore?
50% on levitate
jovial nest
you guys need to read Degen's talents
polar crane
wait how much did they buff mortars wtf
mortar lose
jovial nest
its what made her busted purely on paper
before i even learned she was auto rec
her talent alone was bullshit
neat skiff
irene is 100% phy ignore?
50% chance for 50% ignore.
On levitated enemy it's 100% chance to ignore 50% def.
jovial nest
wait how much did they buff mortars wtf
We have to consider the enraged's own bleed and Mortars having the advantage of immediate attacking from the start
range is a huge part of winning in these enemies' fight simulation
polar crane
they still lose not having frontline or cc
jovial nest
i have no idea how many enraged will die before they kill one mortar
spark sinew
0
spark sinew
they also like two tap mortars lol
jovial nest
haha
polar crane
ice caster win against those engaged
spark sinew
oh that's how people went into insane debt
jovial nest
2 of them can freeze
jovial nest
oh that's how people went into insane debt
ALL IN
polar crane
ye the one from gnosis I think
look different but still kinda the same
jovial nest
all in if youre sure of the results
spark sinew
i keep overrating pompeii i blame is3
polar crane
post it here I can have a look 
spark sinew
how many ingots do you need for the prime
spark sinew
60% it is
polar crane
yeye
spark sinew
lost twice already, surely this one is a win
long epoch
That gambling certainly reminded me of some game like this. 
jovial nest
btw
i know its made from an april fools game mode wherein mostly our ops' status never matters.
But i really hope they expand on Cannot's TABS game mode
turn it into something meatier and more official
polar crane
use gambling to encourage gambling in a gacha game
jovial nest
the chances are low though. It's not like IS's success considering IS was actually a test if their idea of a roguelite mode would click
jovial nest
use gambling to encourage gambling in a gacha game
currency that ain't attached to IRL cash usage
deft badger
That gambling certainly reminded me of some game like this. <:BlitzSmile:8265666...
whats that game even?
right side wins? 😂 60 something of them needed to onetap one of the left side
jovial nest
but i guess it still fuels those with low willpower or self control
deft badger
it even has a price lol
lapis hornet
not aigis wdf
long epoch
I mean, we are talking about particular game mode. 
deft badger
i realized arknights players play some weird games
jovial nest
We're fucking lucky.
other game devs would make different apps for their alt game modes
a full fledged alternate game
some other gachas made their roguelite modes into separate games
long epoch
i realized arknights players play some weird games <:BlitzSmile:8265666183224361...
That's not even a weird game in my definition. I have some weirder games.
jovial nest
and thus....double the gacha
jovial nest
depends. I love my TDs
but a lot of casual AK players don't like TD gameplay
thus....guide-hunters
deft badger
and only btw
long epoch
Well, there are other Gacha TD and some are very good but the problem is that they are not in English language.
deft badger
dont know did try some games out when it comes to phone, they all suck kinda
and i dont play phone games in general
lapis hornet
why you play ak then
jovial nest
you're lucky. The earlier mobile phone game market were so trash
spark sinew
I don't like that MILF-heavy TD gacha
that's quite a sales pitch
deft badger
u cant even consider them games in my opinion
jovial nest
now there's a few high quality ones
previously it was 1 in a million to get good shit
jovial nest
that's quite a sales pitch
even with that pitch, not many are playing it when i asked them. Content or the gameplay might've dipped somewhere....
deft badger
why you play ak then
like i did say its the only phone game i consider to be actually a game
deft badger
and its good
jovial nest
Path to Nowhere
brave sun
what are some quality ones?
neat skiff
You don't consider autobattlers where your ops have 3-7 frames of animation actual gameplay?
spark sinew
Path to Nowhere
damn, i expected something...else
deft badger
beside ak i am playing wow eve like active active
long epoch
Some quality one is Japanese only.
lapis hornet
the thing with ak is it's one of the very few phone games that's more concerned about ux than monetization that's why I'm still here tbh
well it's still a gacha but you know what I mean
jovial nest
damn, i expected something...else
there's a lot of mature women being plastered as their selling point.
jovial nest
Here's the hilarity for me about AK
long epoch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzaM-SskcI That is the TD game I currently play. It even has CC mode where you add risks and stuffs.
brave sun
yeah, looking for recommendations of quality phone actual games
jovial nest
The tutorials of the Aggro AND the value of 1-block interceptions is what sold me that the core game of AK is deep enough that it will be for me
lapis hornet
every game has cc mode nowadays it's wild
even this idle afk game I'm playing atm 🤦♂️
jovial nest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzaM-SskcI That is the TD game I currently play...
this video reminds me that there's a fine line in....capping battle dialogue in games....
AK at least does this decently enough to have nerfed CY's dialogue spam
deft badger
the thing with ak is it's one of the very few phone games that's more concerned ...
i dont like what they have done with the phone gaming industry, i mean when it comes to graphic performance, phones are like 5-6 years behind u can still make some good stuff
but most of the games on phones are just a cash grab
brave sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzaM-SskcI That is the TD game I currently play...
how this compares to ak?i realize ak prob squeezed out the market
long epoch
how this compares to ak?i realize ak prob squeezed out the market
What this game does better than AK is QoL. It has auto activating skill button, skip tickets.
The game is overall more casual than AK.
long epoch
how this compares to ak?i realize ak prob squeezed out the market
Also they share similar classes.
AoE casters are way more powerful than AK.
neat skiff
this video reminds me that there's a fine line in....capping battle dialogue in ...
You mean having more words than war and peace in a single event isn't the most ideal?
jovial nest
i dont like what they have done with the phone gaming industry, i mean when it ...
you shouldn't focus too hard on what they're doing to the phone gaming industry
it was trash when it started
neat skiff
jovial nest
what you should be looking out for
is AAA games getting fucking mobile game transactions and shops
lapis hornet
the problem with making non-cashgrab games is that ppl just don't buy, you gotta be free to play ppl won't spend even $10 for a full fledged game
and free to play games have to cashgrab to survive
brave sun
at least alsagoz and jusan actually named a game. he man enough even when it is some booba game, and the rest are hinting here and there
jovial nest
Cascades, I just know PtN from #cn-lounge. Never played the bugger
but i will be willing to admit I played Nikke. I no longer do though
deft badger
thats not true look at warframe in which i have 3k hours and spend more then in ar 
deft badger
and not because i have to btw
neat skiff
To be fair, warframes monetisation model is good enough people want to spend money on the game.
long epoch
how this compares to ak?i realize ak prob squeezed out the market
Oh btw. Some of the neat idea that I didn't see AK do that yet is the "Movement" command. Unlike Path to Nowhere, you can spend DP cost to move a unit. The longer distance, the more DP requires.
neat skiff
"50% off premium currency that can be traded between players? I've definitely felt I've gotten $20 of enjoyment out of the game"
deft badger
warframe is great thats the only game i did actually buy skins i am even just cashing because i love the game when i get that sale ticket
i think i have a stack of over 20k plat on my acc right now
lapis hornet
after playing ptn I realized movement vs static plays totally different, ptn felt more action than strategy tbh
novel pivot
Cascades, I just know PtN from <#648597785444220941>. Never played the bugger
Speaking of ptn
lapis hornet
wait we're getting v offtopic lmao
deft badger
but i have been plating since 2016
void terrace
Hmmm blaze module seems like a really big improvement. Does anyone with blaze mod 3 find her useful in higher end content? Was thinking of getting it for annis or mid level content like EX stages
novel pivot
It was pretty fun
void terrace
I can see myself stacking her and gavail for fun
peak cloak
the problem with making non-cashgrab games is that ppl just don't buy, you gotta...
thus the game industry rn cut so many thing that a released version should have.
instead, they send the cut contents to dlc, that's why i stopped playing "pay for a full fledged games" from 2018 to now.
the EA dlc memes told all.
neat skiff
Blaze module you feel like she is better. If you do comparisons you can SEE how much better she is.
She is not high end usage, but she is back to being a laneholder.
lapis hornet
you can use blaze on ex stages but probs not the best option for the hardest ones
lapis hornet
that said I used her back in h12-4 so 🤷♀️
jovial nest
Oh btw. Some of the neat idea that I didn't see AK do that yet is the "Movement"...
I don't like the movement ideas too much. I guess FRD and planned redeps are the key why it would never work out for AK. Plus based on what I'm seeing from other TD gameplay, AK's squad size is huge. HG designed it to really be about redeps and role replacement (especially considering VGs are made to be replaced).
novel pivot
that said I used her back in h12-4 so 🤷♀️
Ey same
mostly cause i have no other melee op that does aoe then
vital arrow
doing blaze mod is to make her usable again
brave sun
didnt gavial come out alr?
vital arrow
else she falls short of the statstick game
weak gazelle
PtN huh
its been a while to hear that game
its nice game tbh
but if talk about game quality idk, every player have their own preference and understanding about it
novel pivot
didnt gavial come out alr?
Me no have
long epoch
I don't like the movement ideas too much. I guess FRD and planned redeps are the...
Actually, that game has both movement and fast redeploy and they work together really well.
neat skiff
Blaze mod is for her S2 to bring her back into the laneholder game. Not much more.
novel pivot
novel pivot
Blaze mod is for her S2 to bring her back into the laneholder game. Not much mor...
Blaze s3 is... something
No idea what hg was smoking
jovial nest
Blaze S3 is akin to...."I want her to kill a flying unit! For the memes!"
thats what i feel about it
long epoch
But the interesting part of the movement is that they come in different mode. Flying unit and foot unit move differently.
brave sun
u didnt do her sim? what an amazing skill
novel pivot
Would it be accurate to say that ines is like if myrtle, sash talent, and qiubai had a baby
neat skiff
We might see movement in AK. Jessicalter can change direction after all.
jovial nest
Ines is more like if you made a good guard laner into someone that prints...
jovial nest
ffs that girl's a menace to how broken she is
jovial nest
yep
long epoch
Some unit dedicate to movement attack so there is some big brain play like this.
novel pivot
So collapsal drones are legitimately
jovial nest
if movement is restricted on 1 subclass
novel pivot
Not even a problem anymore
jovial nest
i'm fine with such experimentation/restrictions
long epoch
AK has reunion rocket trooper so they can cook something like that.
neat skiff
Some unit dedicate to movement attack so there is some big brain play like this.
That's like an advertisement against the game...
brave sun
thanks for sharing alsagoz, interesting for sure
void terrace
Hmm
long epoch
That's like an advertisement against the game...
Well, I just bring the example.
lapis hornet
ok why she oneshotting everything tho
void terrace
I think I'm willing to burn some mats to raise blaze again
jovial nest
Some unit dedicate to movement attack so there is some big brain play like this.
and here i thought Ling solo low opsing trust farm is insanity
long epoch
ok why she oneshotting everything tho
Because 6 stars momen.
void terrace
Had this funny idea where I stack her behind gavail
novel pivot
Im waiting for interesting enemy gimmick
peak cloak
Yoi shotto! :D
brave sun
we do have movement attacks, feelsbadman ppl forgot about ines and yato
just s2 and kill amirite
jovial nest
dude, Ines is lucky to have a skill so busted that you might not even use S3
that S3M3 for me is gathering dust
novel pivot
dude, Ines is lucky to have a skill so busted that you might not even use S3
S2 is just another can of worms
Legit
70 aspd down
jovial nest
she's closer to Flagbearer printing if she uses the full duration on an enemy
long epoch
AK can probably has a movement class like this.
novel pivot
Its even stupider that she has true invis
neat skiff
I love tier lists. "We are reducing Cantabile from S+ tier purely because Ines exists"
brave sun
we put canta in s+ tier cos we have no clue and nothing to compare her to!
neat skiff
To be fair, before Ines she was S+
jovial nest
I love tier lists. "We are reducing Cantabile from S+ tier purely because Ines e...
hilariously enough, some high risk CCs have used both Ines and Cantabile alongside some Flagpipes
DP must be rough if they're willing 5 slots purely for VGs
weak gazelle
its opposite tbh
raising 5* is sunk cost efficiency
easiest example is they want 3 glue
if want cheaper cost 4* is the most sensible choice
novel pivot
neat skiff
Though, super glad I have Puzzle built and ready to go for CH 13.
jovial nest
thats a con of the 5* yeah. But at least there's a lot more 5* that cannot be replaced by 6* purely from their great utility compared to 4*
novel pivot
I barely ever use 5* cause im a whelbrain
brave sun
like canta was just a flag that occasionally works and does some dmg
brave sun
thats situational
novel pivot
Ptilo
brave sun
sure she got used in the cc cos u needed even more dp
lapis hornet
ines also situational 🤷♀️ think canta s+ was fine as far as vg goes
neat skiff
Especially since Canta worked about 90% as well at SL7.
weak gazelle
it biggest con
not a joke matter really
unless commit like me as 5* only player
spark sinew
what's puzzle for, the device thingy in ch13?
neat skiff
Compared to M3.
novel pivot
Now that i have ines i can finally stop using flagpipe
neat skiff
Need to attack the device to get it moving, charges drain over time and enemies can attack it to also drain charges.
lapis hornet
just stop using vgs 
void terrace
Inespipe is the true way to go
novel pivot
just stop using vgs <:WThumbsUp:713145441230782484>
i dont like feeling like im in a famine
novel pivot
i have enough of poverty in is4
void terrace
I mean I Ines muelsyes pipe
weak gazelle
any normal player would skip 5*
there is no ops from that rarity worth to build gameplay wise
void terrace
So pipe is more for muel
neat skiff
Muelsyse is barely a VG at the best of times.
lapis hornet
canta was good tho
long epoch
Digging some old stuffs I have. Skadi S1 can be funny.
novel pivot
I buily muelsyse and im too dumb to use her
lapis hornet
iirc ppl liked her as opener in is3, she was good in cc10
jovial nest
Now that i have ines i can finally stop using flagpipe
I still prefer to have 1 flag in my preferred squad choices. Can't rely fully on Ines to accelerate the squad deployments
novel pivot
Both are benched
void terrace
Copy eyja
brave sun
yeah ppl copy garbage
jovial nest
i always love how wacky Skadi's animation is
jovial nest
also iirc....
based on some ranged tiles
and a lot of tile bans
is that...
H5-1?
jovial nest
i don't remember CoB having such a tile-ban boner
brave sun
@long epoch if you are still here seen any other innovative mechanics in tds? question also open to floor
neat skiff
I've used S2 Dorothy quite a few times.
jovial nest
Dorothy S2M3's bind duration for one target is tempting
lapis hornet
man muel was a real let down I thought she'd be fun but she's rly whatever for a 6*
novel pivot
Ive never actually gotten in a situation where i thought to myself
"Doro bind would be nice around now"
lapis hornet
I see her in some cc2 clears tho
jovial nest
Ive never actually gotten in a situation where i thought to myself
"Doro bind w...
Yeah it's kind of not a common thought especially with redep body blocking as a normal strat for boss tanking
neat skiff
I like bind because it's like "I want to block this enemy but I don't want them attacking my defenders".
long epoch
<@100793843967856640> if you are still here seen any other innovative mechanics ...
Well, talking about innovative mechanics in TD. There are not that many. I have seen many games experiment on some but they are not too succussful.
lapis hornet
aspd is capped
lapis hornet
at like 20 iirc
novel pivot
speaking of lee
He was handy to cheese kreide
At least
Or any boss with cc gimmick
neat skiff
Lees "no u" mechanic is always fun.
jovial nest
it's like AK has gotten a nice amount of good core ideas to have one of the best TD experiences I've played:
- Actual blockers like in PvZ
- Actual healers for any damaged tower
- having a varied map layout with enemies having flexible pathing choices
- Personally, the idea of block count. 1-block being best for interception of elites/bosses while letting weaker enemies pass through
long epoch
AK got those ideas from the predecessor game though.
neat skiff
If ak gets an offline no gacha mode at the end of its live service i can die hap...
That would be ideal.
neat skiff
No one ever said it was new.
long epoch
But said core ideas are there.
jovial nest
oh yeah forgot
Aggro...
in any other TD or any genre
Taunt units exist
they didn't go for that
neat skiff
Yeah. Gotta love mechanics from tabletop games being staples in the TD genre.
jovial nest
they'd rather have anyone have the flexibility to take aggro
novel pivot
Im waiting for an ingame explanation as to why enemies have such low attention spans to the point that they only go for the most recently deployed
jovial nest
and actual taunt being rare
long epoch
Aggro based on deployed order also not that new.
lapis hornet
being based on redeploy/cycling is smth I hadn't seen before
not like 100% new but the way it plays kinda dif
long epoch
Well, Aigis is that one game started it all. 
lapis hornet
kinda why I don't rly like where ak went even tho with powercreep you can't rly help it
long epoch
Well, it's gacha game after all.
lapis hornet
ya
jovial nest
gacha game or not, skill cycling is also not alien to other genres
it just goes to a different term called
MP
neat skiff
MP + cooldowns.
neat skiff
True.
novel pivot
kinda why I don't rly like where ak went even tho with powercreep you can't rly ...
Year 1 design moment
jovial nest
so yeah, AK pputting a marriage of multiple RPG elements into a TD
novel pivot
Hellagur just got oblivionized
jovial nest
nice mix imo
lapis hornet
hella was kinda sus back when he came out alr
jovial nest
but its VERY prominent in gacha
AK is the few exceptions wherein powercreep ain't too bad
lapis hornet
altho he could still do some stuff no one else could cause more limited choice
jovial nest
you should see the other gachas
neat skiff
At least Helladaddy and Zuo Le do different enough things.
novel pivot
hellagur is weird
jovial nest
Hellagur was VERY prominent
as a duelist
due to dodge
he was the go-to
for boss dueling
novel pivot
wants to 1v1 enemy
most enemy you want to 1v1 have too much def
Nowadays
jovial nest
until....Jaye arrived
long epoch
1v1 unit is easiest to get powercreep or succumbed to inflation.
novel pivot
Jaye is just built different
neat skiff
Helladaddy looks prettier and has like 3 stages in the whole game where you get to "duel elitre enemies" like he wants. Zuo Le is about hitting multiple enemies and building his barrier. Against 1 he isn't all that great.
jovial nest
1v1 is no longer the meta anyways
novel pivot
Literal 3x3 medic
jovial nest
ranged nuking has been common
novel pivot
As long as he attack
jovial nest
Mlynar and Degen have insane range
jovial nest
fucking Hella vs Weebs
long epoch
Considering CC as meta measurement smh.
jovial nest
its hilarious how RNG heavy it was
novel pivot
Degen straight up just says "ha no" to any enemy
long epoch
Also considering great 1v1 unit as the meta is the greatest mistake.
Because we already see how it goes.
jovial nest
Degen is not at all too amazing on cooldown
its just that....why would you bother to fight elites/bosses ON cooldown
lapis hornet
beta record doesn't have hella tho
jovial nest
it does...
jovial nest
ah yes. of course. low ops is always the best measurement. Let's ignore every other clear
lapis hornet
lmao
brave sun
can just borrow degen lol
brave sun
not too big a fan of degen's mechanics
lapis hornet
you're the one who brought hella in beta now you're fact checked
lapis hornet
you're gonna say okay let's just look at the less optimized stuff
brave sun
same mistake they made with irene dmg is tied to levitate/tremble
lapis hornet
also you weren't even playing back in beta
jovial nest
and? you were?
long epoch
I can't remember Hella exist in even max risked.
lapis hornet
yes
neat skiff
160% damage against trembled units.
foggy grove
lul degen dmg isn't tied to tremble
jovial nest
and that gives you priveleges?
novel pivot
neat skiff
Also ignore 25%/30% of def against trembled units.
jovial nest
outta your butt
outta my butt. Hella were in max risk clears.
but sure, lets just ignore every other clear, shall we
spark sinew
degen has big base damage, so she doesn't suffer as much as irene for example
long epoch
Or rather saying Max risk in beta is ridiculous.
spark sinew
even if you can't proc tremble (you easily can)
novel pivot
Because
jovial nest
of course it was ridicc. Max risk had 1 ranged tile
novel pivot
She's funky
jovial nest
it was toxic
foggy grove
no no tremble only affect that paltry def ignore
brave sun
yeah 30% def ignore tiny
foggy grove
yes?
brave sun
no
spark sinew
you can remove it and degen would still be super good
neat skiff
S2 and S3 both have 100% talent rate.
jovial nest
this is what i mean about Degen having some absurd talent. S3 makes this guaranteed proc
novel pivot
S2 and S3 both have 100% talent rate.
Wao
brave sun
its a guaranteed proc until immunity
jovial nest
also lulz on these numbers...
neat skiff
I know I won't use her. So more pulls for the 3 back to back limited banners.
spark sinew
even if enemies will have immunity
that's still basically better chen with more damage no
jovial nest
Degen's 2nd talent is a bonus
spark sinew
with auto skill
jovial nest
not her core dmg aspect
deft badger
going to look for degen videos on youtube... 🚶♂️
spark sinew
don't
neat skiff
It's fun keeping an eye on CN content creators to see if any of the new ops keep showing up outside their showcase.
spark sinew
go on bili instead
neat skiff
Like Lin was a complete no show between showcase and module.
jovial nest
i don't watch showcase vids
sometimes it obscures how good they really are
for my own sake
neat skiff
Shu has slowed down but not stopped. Ray was a no show until CC2, Degenbrecher no show, Virtuosa is rare but you do see her, Viviana is no show.
lapis hornet
content creators not the most reliable tbh
sly pivot
Helladaddy looks prettier and has like 3 stages in the whole game where you get ...
you laugh but zuo le 1v1 is 10x stronger than anything hellagur can do
lapis hornet
like I remember when stainless came out on global
I looked him up on bili and saw very very few vids
but now he's kinda popped off
neat skiff
you laugh but zuo le 1v1 is 10x stronger than anything hellagur can do
10x is underselling it tbh. I would go minimum 15x
lapis hornet
well not pop off but he's more popular
sly pivot
like sure zuo le is great against alot of enemies
but 1v1?
he solos manfred and cannon
with no rng
neat skiff
Zuo Le is great against many enemies but not against all enemies. Overall a well designed unit.
jovial nest
Stainless always had potential. But its based on how much you can abuse his S1 buffs or SP battery
Degen does
Degen is a good SP battery target
long epoch
There are a lot of good ops but viewers tend to like watching ops with more spectacle performance and self-sufficient ops are easy to watch than other ops that needs teamwork.
sly pivot
nono ure underselling what zuo le loses against
jovial nest
Mlynar never liked SP accelerators
lapis hornet
no way it's khamt and the boys big fan of yours
sly pivot
he loses against anything that one hit kills him
he has 3k barrier up like all the time
u can put him up agaisnt the sui dragon boss
and he still comes up on top
deft badger
don't
i am looking for that kind of videos... found it looks nice
https://youtu.be/jwOa_P_2daU?si=kw-Dxx99j41Z01-n
tidal sedge
If it’s okay, is anyone available for a handhold? I can’t clear H12-3 and Im not sure what I’m lacking
sly pivot
because he can fucking spam 3k shields every 5s
neat skiff
Though speaking of new ops. I do like that Hoed keeps popping up now and then.
lapis hornet
spectacular performance like how 7-18 solo, every unit that comes out has to have their 7-18 showcase 
long epoch
Let me demonstrate the best showcase.
sly pivot
hes also appeared in cc2 underdawn reefbreaker stall
brave sun
don't think hg will ever release an op that cant 7-18 again
neat skiff
spectacular performance like how 7-18 solo, every unit that comes out has to hav...
Naturally. After Myrtle killed Patriot everyone needs to meet that baseline.
deft badger
If it’s okay, is anyone available for a handhold? I can’t clear H12-3 and Im not...
spalter isnt needed
https://youtu.be/fq8bbdgfVF4?si=-6ID1OrkptMZORup
jovial nest
i am looking for that kind of videos... found it <:DocSmile:1213036172524126240>...
lmao i see Stainless ability in the thumbnail
of course
lapis hornet
yeah I'm actually more hyped about shu than degen lmao
jovial nest
I'm hyped about all of em
I need actual use time before i judge meta ops by my own measure
brave sun
If it’s okay, is anyone available for a handhold? I can’t clear H12-3 and Im not...
if u need help u can post, ignore if someone responded and is willing to stream walk you
deft badger
should have asked to send ops first
sly pivot
Let me demonstrate the best showcase. <:DocSmile:1213036172524126240>
@quick pecan
is this ur goat?
actually get fucked saria mody shiller
neat skiff
Shu genuinely looks good. Like Saria module X with slightly lower stats but more focused on the healing side of guardian.
sly pivot
🤣
tidal sedge
spalter isnt needed
https://youtu.be/fq8bbdgfVF4?si=-6ID1OrkptMZORup
I don’t have the abyss puller, does that make or break this run?
jovial nest
Let me demonstrate the best showcase. <:DocSmile:1213036172524126240>
oh look. It's my theory getting visual aid. Guardian 5-6* S1 is strong. But it has a weakness. Like anyone that can kill 60% of your HP in one go stuff. Shu's seeds have HoT
spark sinew
now put Shu's s3 under saria!
jovial nest
perfect combo with S1 Guardian
tidal sedge
if u need help u can post, ignore if someone responded and is willing to stream ...
Thank you!
shell arch
Let me demonstrate the best showcase. <:DocSmile:1213036172524126240>
Is this saria gua x or y? 
deft badger
I don’t have the abyss puller, does that make or break this run?
key is like mlynar rest can be worked around, but i would borrow gladiia if u have mlynar
brave sun
gladiia can be replaced by mudrock for e.g.
neat skiff
She was taking more damage than Shu even though Mod Y is 15% less damage. Same as Shu 15% shelter.
jovial nest
It's called Shu's seeds....
tidal sedge
gladiia can be replaced by mudrock for e.g.
But Mudmud is 3x Gladia’s cost
deft badger
but i think mud can do right side, exe
jovial nest
the HoT is carrying
tidal sedge
In the video walkthrough glad is dropped first
neat skiff
Is this saria gua x or y? <:SoraWow:649634512493346840>
Yeah, the HoT is carrying, but I was answering this.
brave sun
you can also see he has a bunch of redeploys he isnt using
jovial nest
i mean
deft badger
In the video walkthrough glad is dropped first
u can drop first what ever to block them and extend cap
tidal sedge
Ahh
brave sun
gladiia is a cheap 2 block
deft badger
then just replace but yes mud can hold but costs a lot
jovial nest
Gladiia is a great blocker. Just not a good elite killer
deft badger
dont know if u run skalter take exe for right side
jovial nest
unless holes
brave sun
like u can do it with myrtle and ines i bet
it just depends how many open slots you have
neat skiff
It's not the DR mod since Saria was taking bigger hits of damage. Also, freshly dropped so zero time for her talent to stack.
brave sun
and what ops you can use
tidal sedge
dont know if u run skalter take exe for right side
I have everyone recommended but gummy and gladia, well I have gladia but she’s not built unfortunately
deft badger
mlynar is key, even he can be replaced with qb or something like that
i would borrow gladiia since she does right side really well
jovial nest
It's not the DR mod since Saria was taking bigger hits of damage. Also, freshly ...
that really is something to consider. Saria needs time to bulk up
tidal sedge
I will thank you
deft badger
eyja2 is the mvp in that fight
jovial nest
but all in all, here's my take. You either want Saria's S3. Or else, just use Shu
tidal sedge
@deft badger how impossible is a stream walkthrough for new event?
I opened it, saw it took 4 of my ops to kill a minion
I closed the game
neat skiff
that really is something to consider. Saria needs time to bulk up
The unfortunate thing is both of their S1 skills can be argued right down to the minutae. their S2 and S3 both do different things.
jovial nest
even for S1 it's unfair a bit to Saria
spark sinew
it's fine
jovial nest
i already mentioned Guardian S1's weaknesses
brave sun
i think your roster is quite developed so you can just copy some guide
jovial nest
they're prone to getting killed by enemies that can cut off 60-70% HP in one go
deft badger
<@301662313734471680> how impossible is a stream walkthrough for new event?
s3 requiers specific ops and memorizing it depends on u how fast u are going to remember all of it
shell arch
Geez i only asked which mod was that and you guys went full nerd 
neat skiff
Even Saria S2 and Shu S2 have different uses and different situations I would want each in.
jovial nest
Shu passive HoT solved this a bit
spark sinew
i tried to argue about how you won't use Shu's s1 anyway
jovial nest
another example is, I feel like letting Saria S1 be your only healer is so risky
neat skiff
Their S3 are drastically different and can't be compared in a way that is fair to both.
deft badger
screen or ops we dont even know what u have
spark sinew
about 4 times now
let me try the fifth one
jovial nest
while Shu S1 soloing heal is safe af
tidal sedge
I can screen in 1 second, thanks again
spark sinew
like i see no reason to not use Shu's s3 and just plant grass everywhere
jovial nest
Shu's S3 is just perfect for melee bosses
its akin to stalling
except instead of slow
you do rewinds
spark sinew
so all the comparisons of s1 shu vs s1 saria seem a bit weird since i think you either use saria s1 and shu s3
or just shu s3
jovial nest
ranged bosses alone are slow enough since they attack more frequently making them move less
the Saria Shu comparison is a solid consideration anyways. Most players don't want 2 Guardians in one squad
neat skiff
Saria modY S1 I treat more as a self heal with maybe healing another op now and then. Shu looks to be more actually healing allies and not just yourself pretending to be a meatball tank.
lapis hornet
he's too shy to talk to a dalao like u
shell arch
So was it gua x or y? I'm genuinely curious
spark sinew
how long does warf s2 last
spark sinew
i was actually thinking about something deranged
long epoch
So was it gua x or y? I'm genuinely curious <:SoraWow:649634512493346840>
Actually, I dunno. 
shell arch
Actually, I dunno. <:IfritSweat:650829713945919508>
Gua x is the boxing glove
Gua y is the rising star award 
deft badger
not long enough for Ammo-based ops
long enough to shoot 3 times and break clip
somber stone
not long enough for Ammo-based ops
Ray:
spark sinew
like helidrop warf onto degen, then activate saria s3 and activate degen before warf s2 runs out
jovial nest
Ray ain't ammo. It's just a self stun to balance Hunter ATK buffs
deft badger
or was his name chip
long epoch
Hunter is a balanced class.
tidal sedge
screen or ops we dont even know what u have
the ones i mostly use at least
one thing to note, my typhon is not properly modded
jovial nest
why are there so many 80s...
tidal sedge
im lazy
jovial nest
and 70s....
tidal sedge
why are there so many 80s...
90 is expensive
jovial nest
you either cap or stop at 60
tidal sedge
long epoch
If not the fact that others outside Ray are unusable.
tidal sedge
oh
shell arch
I was doing maffs on saria modules and found out:
- Gua x heals 142 hp more than gua y
- Gua y has 141 more dmg mitigation against phy dmg, not including 15% self dmg reduction
I was thinking which one should most people do. Should they pick gua x to sustain others or gua y to tank
jovial nest
60 is the most expensive "acceptable" stat gain
spark sinew
why though
jovial nest
capping is when you want the few extra stats at the cost of a fortune
spark sinew
I was doing maffs on saria modules and found out:
1. Gua x heals 142 hp more tha...
you should pick Y
shell arch
I haven't read shu's kits so I'm intrigued by the gif alsa sent
jovial nest
e2 54 is the middle point of EXP usage
spark sinew
especially post shu
long epoch
I was doing maffs on saria modules and found out:
1. Gua x heals 142 hp more tha...
Well, Shu strong point is healing others so I would focuses on that.
Left tanking for more dedicated ops.
sly pivot
do x for the sp battery 🫡
tidal sedge
capping is when you want the few extra stats at the cost of a fortune
I think i stopped at 70 cause when i get new ops i pour all my xp cards in, it would stop at some weird number like 73 so i just even it to 70
long epoch
do x for the sp battery 🫡
Now that's patrician taste.
tidal sedge
like Chongyue being 88 he stopped at 86 and it looked awful
jovial nest
I think i stopped at 70 cause when i get new ops i pour all my xp cards in, it w...
yep that sounds like laziness
you just let it cap to how much you have
sly pivot
im using x in s3 and saria lives the same amt of avenger hits as mod y does
tidal sedge
deft badger
the ones i mostly use at least
u can try doing s3 u have some of the key ops is that qb s3m3?
sly pivot
these y mod shillers are delusional...
jovial nest
Suzu's newer mod is what you want though
shell arch
Wait so if you should do gua y saria because shu focus on heal
Doesn't that mean the gif alsa sent is both modless? 
sly pivot
🫡
tidal sedge
u can try doing s3 u have some of the key ops is that qb s3m3?
yes, what is the S3 im trying?
Saga?
spark sinew
u can try doing s3 u have some of the key ops is that qb s3m3?
i heard that s3m1 is a breakpoint
jovial nest
okay ill use a real defender
Well, I think its because fully-buffed talent + DR mod Saria actually is as tanky as Hoshi AFK build
tidal sedge
Typhon is only Mod lvl 1, prob sucks
jovial nest
minus Hoshi dodges
deft badger
yes, what is the S3 im trying?
DOS s3 u did mention new event..
sly pivot
bulk relics dont matter if u dont outheal
shell arch
Part of the reason why you pick saria over hoshi is self sustain
15% dmg reduction also helps against arts dmg
I haven't put hoshi resist dmg in mind though
sly pivot
😔
jovial nest
as long as the tank is good
tidal sedge
DOS s3 u did mention new event..
ah thats what its called, i see, can we do a stream walkthrough if you're available
its fine if not
jovial nest
hush
jovial nest
bulk is still something you want anywhere
sly pivot
that shit is a crazy ass bait
sly pivot
no it isnt ur nuke timings line up with 80s window for overcharge
jovial nest
especially if we're considering Surtr usage
i know Redep is the weakest one
but
you got it instead of Silence and Sing
USE IT
sly pivot
i did and my texas is like 14s instead of 16s or smth
deft badger
ah thats what its called, i see, can we do a stream walkthrough if you're availa...
i aint at home... for like 2 weeks so i am on my phone.. i can just send u a youtube video of a qb kill but u will have to use texas s2 to lower res when the boss drops to the ground and borrow suzu probably + workaround saria since u dont have her
spark sinew
what was the concord buff for it
tidal sedge
i aint at home... <:RedOmegaLul:1002227534622117918> for like 2 weeks so i am on...
I have saria, but she's lvl 60 m0
prob wont be enough
tidal sedge
would def borrow the suzu
spark sinew
oh no...
yeah redep
deft badger
I have saria, but she's lvl 60 m0 <:SkadiDaijoubu:839269199964798997>
same like mine and it was enough
tidal sedge
jovial nest
yeah unless it's Touch
it's a shitty concord
but the thing is
i prefer to concord redep
instead of ASPD
those drones are not in good timings
or have never been useful for when you want it the most
limpid siren
these y mod shillers are delusional...
You’re a mongrel, your opinion on this doesn’t count
tidal sedge
wait i just saw this
jovial nest
yeah DoS is reverse CC
sly pivot
You’re a mongrel, your opinion on this doesn’t count
incorrect buzzer sound
jovial nest
you add buffs, your score goes down
deft badger
wait i just saw this
dont do this...
https://youtu.be/ZK_LBBb6dHU?si=v5a2QeLm015MwAfI
u do without buffs...
tidal sedge
ooo
limpid siren
Khant you will literally mald rng for 8 hours straight
limpid siren
Generic advice straight up doesn’t apply
sly pivot
im sane
im mentally sound
my advice is for those who want to get better
!!!
instead of listening to these slop parroted takes they should take after me
spark sinew
Wait so if you should do gua y saria because shu focus on heal
Doesn't that mean...
me when i manipulate the footage to further my point
i mean honestly, would the gif matter 🤔
sly pivot
i can bash both sides of saria mods becaues i raised both
🫡
im down in the red but it doesnt matter
shell arch
me when i manipulate the footage to further my point
i mean honestly, would the...
I trust alsa. Alsa wouldn't do that 
spark sinew
i definitely felt how y was worse in s3
shell arch
Khant you did saria mod6?
spark sinew
but like, still easy enough to clear, and you can work around less sp anyway
jovial nest
here's what I'm most curious about. Shu's potential OTHER module.
shell arch
sly pivot
Khant you did saria mod6?
i dont want to talk about this
lapis hornet
just have both mods ez
shell arch
Like
lapis hornet
I did one mod for cc11 and the other for poo
sly pivot
moment of weakness
shell arch
I understand if you mod5
jovial nest
Shu's other module has DR + the weaker 10% Shelter. It's a lot more selfish for Shu
shell arch
But mod6???
deft badger
ooo
since u dont have reed or ifrit u can go in with skalter i dont know if u have some buffers as well for qb
shell arch
long epoch
I trust alsa. Alsa wouldn't do that <:FoliWorried:826572359371587594>
Well, I cut from Bili vid with no modification. So, it's depended on the source.
sly pivot
might as well get all the stats
jovial nest
but it buffs her talents that adds Max HP and ASPD in specific conditions
long epoch
But the original vid is how each unit can fare against that hammer guys.
strange fable
I understand if you mod5
you dont understand, someday they will release a rhine lab operater that needs that +3 sp ‼️
brave sun
my advice is for those who want to get better
dont bother they wouldn't recognise good advice
sly pivot
dead operator
lapis hornet
stfu
sly pivot
shu stomped her into the ground
i say this but arts is on a rise
😔
so saria s3 is gonna keep being relevant
spark sinew
can shu buff ifrit s3? thought so
neat skiff
but it buffs her talents that adds Max HP and ASPD in specific conditions
Did that release? Or just speculation?
spark sinew
saria is better!
lapis hornet
ok but wdf you buff ifrit
sly pivot
shu 2nd mod will buff arts dmg by 55%
lapis hornet
that thing does like negative dmg
jovial nest
Did that release? Or just speculation?
speculation based on pattern
spark sinew
i cba to remember any other arts skill that doesn't care about atkspd
if it even exists
jovial nest
Tex2 S2
deft badger
does that mean my arts dealers i love so much are going to be "gud"?
neat skiff
ceobe reedic is like the only relevant arts nowadays
Nowadays as in the event currently on global that ends in 1.5 weeks?
spark sinew
his weren't since he couldn't even m3 them
jovial nest
ngl I still prefer Surtr over Ceobe. But redep risks will kill Surtr and Ceobe's overall better when enemy is touting thousands of DEF
deft badger
only qb wasnt m3 hauck stfu... 
deft badger
i dont have ceobe
deft badger
but selector inc
fathom mesa
Eben’s fourth mod will fix him trust me guys
sly pivot
mod delta already did
deft badger
planing to e2 him this week since his mod inc
sly pivot
🚬
somber stone
Phys buffer when
deft badger
f p.atk mlynar needs a nerf
deft badger
everything is welcome that isnt mlynar on my acc...
long epoch
@shell arch https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1TJ4m187S1 Original vid btw
shell arch
<@492141892385898506> https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1TJ4m187S1 Original vid b...
Thanks alsa 
cosmic thicket
wow mlynar sucks
polar crane
truege
deft badger
was mad af at pinchout my entire team was build around feeding mlynar, other option was stall for hours and hours
strange fable
id believe it
limpid siren
Everyone else is on fraud watch
spark sinew
mlynar has 0 cc electric boogaloo appearance
appears in guardknights!
polar crane
sly pivot
i fell for her schemes
jovial nest
thats the thing
ivory leaf
I need a tank but can't decide what tank (in my head I use spot but what do you guys think?)
jovial nest
did Suzu really have that high of an attendance rate in all max CCs?
neat skiff
Ela is a THRM-EX killer.
sly pivot
gotto put her to work in mcdonalds at this rate
jovial nest
no....Its based on how the CC is solved
limpid siren
jovial nest
its never the same solution
limpid siren
Duh
somber stone
Ela is a THRM-EX killer.
Ela doesn’t fragile air
scarlet fulcrum
Isnt it because spec ban?
limpid siren
Welcome to the conversation
limpid siren
Please enjoy your stay
jovial nest
different applications imo
spark sinew
the battle of green names
fight, fight
sly pivot
ela on that ash grindset
scarlet fulcrum
I understand what u meant, year 0 and still strong
jovial nest
Suzu and Ceobe will always rise from the ashes in the highest difficulty content
lapis hornet
feels bad for everyone who's gonna miss her cause lmao kernel
sly pivot
its okay this just means u can prio her in kernal
ivory leaf
<#669489344658014208> so green today
Mytle
sly pivot
instead of waiting for a standard
polar crane
I need a tank but can't decide what tank (in my head I use spot but what do you ...
do you have cuora?
jovial nest
as for Suzu skin....Mad Max Suzu is best...
spark sinew
yeah they come out frequently enough that you can just buy
ivory leaf
do you have cuora?
Hmm lemme chek
deft badger
so who do i get from selector suzu or ceobe???
spark sinew
using selector on kernel ops
sly pivot
save the 30 bucks and get urself a nice meal
scarlet fulcrum
30 bucks for kernel op? Lmao
jovial nest
just a joke. Mad Max is what i call post-apocalyptic desert wear.
spark sinew
yeah and it's the worst suzu skin
deft badger
i am having nice meals already but i dont have suzu or ceobe...
polar crane
it didn't load for me 
jovial nest
nope
ivory leaf
do you have cuora?
Yup yup
ivory leaf
yes use her <:Okay:1068635818345889923>
alongside with spot is ok too
Okehh
Another E1 session
long epoch
Maybe we will get Suzu replacement in the future.
ivory leaf
yes use her <:Okay:1068635818345889923>
alongside with spot is ok too
Btw any recommendations for healer's?
neat skiff
Would love for a Spot alter to be the first male 6 star defender.
lapis hornet
ngl I thought gnosis would creep suzu for like 10 seconds
taught me to talk outta my butt about cn units I haven't tried yet smh
deft badger
30 bucks for kernel op? Lmao
well there is nothing else for me to take which would be usefull to me.. i mean just look at my krooster its suzu ng ceobe at this point
polar crane
Btw any recommendations for healer's?
did you pick silence in the 5 star selector?
the select 1 of 4 one
ivory leaf
did you pick silence in the 5 star selector?
the select 1 of 4 one
Nop-
sly pivot
gnosis suzu
lapis hornet
ya
scarlet fulcrum
well there is nothing else for me to take which would be usefull to me.. i mean ...
Just buy with certs, 30 bucks enough for several monthly
long epoch
ngl I thought gnosis would creep suzu for like 10 seconds
Powercreep tends to happen especially when old units got archived. 
polar crane
Nop-
do you have sussurro and perfumer? if yes use both of them
if not use ansel in place of sussurro
ivory leaf
do you have sussurro and perfumer? if yes use both of them
if not use ansel in p...
I have both yes
deft badger
Just buy with certs, 30 bucks enough for several monthly
bro i am going to buy that pack anyway i never skip them... its not about the money better tell me what to take
polar crane
use ptil and warf 
quick pecan
actually get fucked saria mody shiller
what is this doing for me out of context khant
get a job 😭
ivory leaf
use ptil and warf <:Bnuuy:926515462722973746>
Well kinda struggling with CP so kinda need something Lower
polar crane
but still e1 perfumer for base
polar crane
Well kinda struggling with CP so kinda need something Lower
you mean dp? nah they perform better with higher cost
jovial nest
Not exactly...
scarlet fulcrum
bro i am going to buy that pack anyway i never skip them... its not about the mo...
Welp its ur money, just giving u better advice not meaning any offense or smt
jovial nest
Saria S3 still has value
quick pecan
shu with zero cc2 appearances
ivory leaf
you mean dp? nah they perform better with higher cost
Sorry typo, but sure:)
foggy grove
as a hand buff?
jovial nest
its kinda hilarious a bit. this discussion of value on CC attendance
sly pivot
god will smite you
jovial nest
if so....YOU HEATHENS! I DON'T SEE BAGPIPE IN 100% OF YOUR SQUAD USAGE
sly pivot
cc2 killed her
long epoch
She's long ded since the new era of Vanguards.
brave sun
she has one of the highest risk CC attendance
F
sly pivot
so called queen of cc
jovial nest
She's long ded since the new era of Vanguards.
didn't CCB1 have like....Bagpipe, Sail, Ely, Canta, Ines clears?
deft badger
Welp its ur money, just giving u better advice not meaning any offense or smt
i know, not offenden anyway my place has a good standard of living so 30 are nothing compared to wages i am going to buy it anyway
i think those 3 are my best options suzu ng or ceobe at this point since seems she is going to be useful in the future
sly pivot
ng is not usefulin the future
scarlet fulcrum
Just save certs for 1 and flip coin
sly pivot
false eyjalter sweeps this whore
quick pecan
waking up to khant dementia is wild
someone gotta get him away from the keyboard if his ass ain’t doin a maleknights clear
jovial nest
well, i can't argue about that. But what if....just think of this fact
quick pecan
😭😭
jovial nest
you can use more than 1 medic
spark sinew
true you also have reed
jovial nest
Reedic in normal IS fights sure
spark sinew
khant too fast
sly pivot
reedic is good everywhere
jovial nest
I'm guessing d15 Ed4 just kills NG too much on the arts side??
wait no
Mlynar taunt
jovial nest
Ceobe solves one of the two sides yes
while the other is physical nuking
which is more common
sly pivot
and u bait cannons or some shit
jovial nest
its only bait if one of the side dies
long epoch
didn't CCB1 have like....Bagpipe, Sail, Ely, Canta, Ines clears?
Well, even me as the full pot Bagpipe owner, I don't feel that she's really "alive" in some senses . I feel Tacticians and Agents contribute a lot more on the field.
sly pivot
ill cross that bridge when i get there