strategy

[orchid talon]

And her s3 is better than her s2 9/10 times

[leaden kraken]

Because of Kyostinv 😛

[orchid talon]

Maybe 10/10 for her s3>s2 lol

Either way I’m fairly confident NG mastery level didn’t make a big impact

[spark sinew]

did he threaten your family if you won't s2m3

[orchid talon]

If you do s3m1, it’ll be enough I’ll bet

[spark sinew]

i think for stages that you would consider s2, sl7 works just as fine because the stages are just that easy

[orchid talon]

The big upgrades was ceobe mod3, I had her at mod2 but then she just wasn’t killing the boss in time

[spark sinew]

they have them m3 because you can't downgrade them

it's not like you go and pull for p6 units, like he does

[leaden kraken]

That is the extent of my E2's, most only have one M3, if any

[orchid talon]

Bro your entire box is 90

You’re fine LMAO

Like wtf I don’t have a single level 90 unit

[spark sinew]

you def need to module ceobe

[vocal leaf]

how you can’t clear s3 with all that

[spark sinew]

if you want to upgrade her big time

[leaden kraken]

because I suck at strategy 😄

[spark sinew]

you probably don;t need to

with that roster

[orchid talon]

Max pot saria

Like wtf

I have no sympathy anymore LMAO

You don’t even need the skill masteries 100%

Just follow the guides lol

You should be able to out stat the issues that I was running into

[leaden kraken]

That requires big brain energy 😄

[orchid talon]

Just follow the ceobe guide for the first half

And then drop in kyostins guide for the finisher

[leaden kraken]

Need to M3 her tho...

[orchid talon]

Then just m3 her

If u have time to lvl 90 20 units

You can m3 a skill lol

[leaden kraken]

Damn, I just started on Susuran M1...

[vocal leaf]

have you tried the stage already? maybe its possible without m3s

[spark sinew]

i'm curious, did you never use mosti and gavialter despite e2 90ing them?

[orchid talon]

That’s fine, events here for a week or two

[leaden kraken]

No 😄

My goto is Mudrock ❤️ , Blemishine ❤️ , Archetto ❤️ and Texalter

[lapis hornet]

archetto kinda based

[leaden kraken]

(List is soley based on waifus)

[lapis hornet]

i haven't used blem in a hot minute tho

[spark sinew]

my favorite unit in the game is mlynar!

[ruby compass]

how

[lapis hornet]

skill gaped

[leaden kraken]

Mudrock ❤️

I want mudrock plush doll!

[spark sinew]

did you throw a lava at it

admittedly idk if this stacks with reedic

[orchid talon]

Ceobe is my favorite actually glad she’s getting these boss stages for her

Truly her time to shine

[ruby compass]

the team i used

[spark sinew]

gg s2 huh
i assume you used suzu ceobe saria?

[ruby compass]

https://youtu.be/RA6933yrphQ
followed this as closely as I could, only thing I could find without Ines

[leaden kraken]

Ah well, nini, work in 5 hours

[orchid talon]

This event

Making me contemplate if I need to just start grinding exp to lvl 90 full box

If future hard events are gonna be like this one

[ruby compass]

^^^

[orchid talon]

Like my highest unit is 70 and sometimes I’ll just fail a guide 1 for 1 cuz my stats just aren’t there

[ruby compass]

my stats are up there lmao, i just fail because my timing is geriatric

im an old man

[spark sinew]

don't farm LS-6 if you can

[orchid talon]

What do u farm for exp then

[spark sinew]

i was gonna say you might be gated by surtr pot

[orchid talon]

Ik the rule is usually farm materials and base exp up but

[spark sinew]

but then i looked at your surtr

i get all my exp from base

[orchid talon]

Doesn’t help that games releasing like

4 crazy banners back to back soon with units I wanna save mats to level

[spark sinew]

it will pile up eventually

[orchid talon]

virtuosa >degen>shu yeah it’ll pile up

[spark sinew]

you can swap bag for like tex2 ig

[vocal leaf]

all i care for is hoederer

[spark sinew]

to use it on like 7:15 in that vid

||virtuosa is a crazy banner? ||

[orchid talon]

It’s just limited and who knows how elemental damage will be in the future, kind of future proofing box you know

[spark sinew]

Ela probably won't ever get a rerun

[orchid talon]

Oh yeah into ela

Either way never can build up resources cuz new releases too strong

[spark sinew]

ray should be better than arturia as well but i understand limited fomo

[vocal leaf]

if ash did, ela will, just believe

i also want arturia, i mean exalt needs his frenemy

[spark sinew]

do that yeah
i mean there are chips to farm

red certs (that you also spend close to 500/month just for mod blocks)

books and rocks

[glass monolith]

I needed book farm only during early stage of game, now i am so busy farming chips, red certs, etc that i accumulate skill books passively from event stores, login reward, daily stuff

Of course if i focus on m3 everyone who i e2d i will go dry on books in no time

[spark sinew]

i run out of them a lot

wow you don't even m3 your ops?

[glass monolith]

I have alot of random m1, m2, sometimes still SL7

[turbid badge]

wierdo i al;ways m3

only 6* e2 sl7 for me mlynawr

[spark sinew]

a lot of m6s as well recently

[turbid badge]

my carne m2

Almost m3

trainers slow

[spice quest]

Are there any clears without Mylnar, Ceobe or Nightingale ?

[spark sinew]

there's 6 op without both mly and ceobe

you can probably cut ng

[spice quest]

Can you show me the vid ? 👉👈

[spark sinew]

nvm it also doesn't use ng

[spark sinew]

i quoted it above

[spark sinew]

ye

[viscid raft]

If I can't do the event do I grind TS or chips

[spark sinew]

what's TS

[spice quest]

thx

Sadly only got Lv7 Saria S3

[viscid raft]

To get purchase certs

For more yellow certs

[spark sinew]

@grizzled otter you alive?

[grizzled otter]

ya i was doing a auto 💀

sent

[spark sinew]

added

[grizzled otter]

thx

[turbid badge]

haukc indu u did event>?

[spark sinew]

no

[cunning river]

Okay, how?

How even

[spark sinew]

still didn't do t4 and t5

did everything else though

do you have liskarm

[cunning river]

Me? Yes, but E1 only

[spark sinew]

you can either just rotate burst

or use like weedy s2 for the right lane, some arts for the left

[cunning river]

I have no idea what you mean by rotate burst

[spark sinew]

or do croissant+liskarm battery

and hold everyone in place forever (just spam croissant s2)

like you have mlynar (just an example)

you activate his skill, it goes on cooldown

you activate something else

then mlynars skill comes from cooldown and you activate it again

[cunning river]

The other part of the issue is that all those dead units you see there got killed at the same time

So how do I do that and also keep everyone alive

[spark sinew]

kill or bait mortars (i assume mortars killed those?)

[cunning river]

I think so? I blinked and they were suddenly dead, so I assume mortars

Though it's weird cause Penance was the last deployed op

And the other ops were out of range of the AoE

[grizzled otter]

you should use lin NOW

[cunning river]

Can't raise her

[grizzled otter]

you should borrow her then!

[cunning river]

What does she do, is she AoE?

Also don't have any Lin on my support list

[grizzled otter]

she is a phalanx caster with around 1200 defense with a talent that gives her a crystal barrier that unless the hit does more then 200 dmg accounting for defense will take 0 dmg

so she is perfect for ranged bait'

[cunning river]

Yeah last wave doesn't seem to be sustainable for a whole minute

Yeah, no idea

Okay, nevermind

[cunning river]

T3, now suddely everything dies at once in wave 3

[noble pewter]

maybe was bombtail or mortars or the suicide facehuggers

[south bone]

one of them is definitely the aoe caster

[vivid rain]

just get exu and buff her with stainless device

[cunning river]

I was using Exu though

Buffed by Skalter

Okay Exu isn't working

Her fire rate off skill is too slow

[vivid rain]

exu + skalter alone isnt enough

you need skalter + stainless + shamare + ely for exu to kill A-3

also to solve firerate issue just use s1

[sullen rover]

why exu for A-3
everyone and their mom has 2k def there

[vivid rain]

for sillyness

also it was my winning stratergy so why not

[cunning river]

This is what I've been trying

[vivid rain]

what lacking everyone in the guides people uses does to a mf or something

[cunning river]

It's not A3, it's T3

[vivid rain]

oh t3

i didnt even buff exu for T3 idk

[somber falcon]

Just use casters for drones

[vivid rain]

honestly tho caster eyja s2 would prob work better than exu there

[cunning river]

Well, Archetto managed somehow

[vivid rain]

yeah archetto have aoe so she would work better

[cunning river]

Tips for A3 before I start trying it?

[sullen rover]

everyone has 2k def

[cunning river]

So just use arts and true damage?

[sullen rover]

yeah

arts is gonna be your main source of damage here

[cunning river]

I don't think I have a single ground unit that does arts beside Surtr

Actually, I'm just really lacking in arts units overall

[sullen rover]

reedic + ceobe was sufficient arts damage for me
the rest were just blockers and healers

and gravel

to bait the fireballs

[cunning river]

Okay my units are pretty much getting killed on spawn then locked

How are you supposed to deal with that

I though it was just ground units the boss could do that to, but I was wrong

[sullen rover]

by baiting

with either a frd or mly

or you can have it on your blocker too

just make sure to kill the chains so he keep chaining ur tanks and not ur main dpses

[cunning river]

The chains?

What chains?

[sullen rover]

you said your units are getting locked right?

[cunning river]

In boxes after they die

But they are dying so quick I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be baiting

[sullen rover]

ok so basically every once in awhile the boss will cast a skill which chains an op
if the op dies while being chained they will become locked in a box and unable to be redeployed unless the box is killed

[somber stone]

The chains prevent op from gaining sp, attacking, and activating skill

[cunning river]

How often do they do that?

It seems like retreating while they're getting targetted still gets them locked

[sullen rover]

every 30s

[cunning river]

So how are you meant to bait? Wouldn't that mean that Gravel would get locked?

[sullen rover]

thats the point

gravel getting locked means that your squishy dpses arent

and they can just kill the box to free her

[cunning river]

I've tried killing the boxes and they're really tanky

Way longer than 30 seconds to kill

[sullen rover]

who r u using to kill

[cunning river]

Was using Kal S3

[sullen rover]

uh

not sure what went wrong there kal s3 just kills the box pretty easy

i dont rmb the box having high hp

[cunning river]

It took me like three uses of her skill to kill one

[somber stone]

I need a video of this

No way

[cunning river]

Is there an enemy that can debuff Monster?

Mind you this was in B3 so it might be different in A3

[cunning river]

Yeah that didn't happen to me, no idea why it took so long

[somber stone]

Are you sure monst3r wasn’t getting bound

[cunning river]

Boss was dead by that point

[scarlet mortar]

did you use kal S2 or sth by mistake

[cunning river]

I have her S3 on by default

Though I just tested and Monster is now breaking the boxes on time

Weird shit just happens sometimes in this game

[scarlet mortar]

the boss chains everything near him, mon3tr might've been in range or sth

[sullen rover]

maybe mon2tr got bound

[scarlet mortar]

no idea there

[sullen rover]

and he chains everything in the surrounding tile when he dies for the first time to transition into p2

[cunning river]

Though even with that problem solved I have no idea how to manage the boss and the lanes

[somber stone]

No way bound modules?! Is this a new feature?

[scarlet mortar]

B-3?

[cunning river]

A3, right now

[sullen rover]

he is attempting A-3 no?

[scarlet mortar]

ok A-3, gl with the shield guys

[cunning river]

Haven't even gotten to those

[scarlet mortar]

if you have silence to cancel the refraction you can melt them

[maiden sand]

The boss companion

[cunning river]

I'm dying to like the first five enemies

[scarlet mortar]

....aren't they like half the enemies in the stage

pretty sure at least one spawns in wave 1

one exactly

[cunning river]

I am dying really quickly, you see

[somber stone]

What’s their stats btw

[scarlet mortar]

the shield guy has 90k hp 2k def 70 res

but the res is via refraction

the shadowblade 60k hp 550 def 0 res, dies pretty easily

i like how the shield guys have more def than the boss

[somber stone]

Hellagur s2 gaming

[cunning river]

Not even a dent on those mobs

[scarlet mortar]

shield guy

lmao

[somber stone]

Elysium next to lava

[scarlet mortar]

both ntrk and surtr got chained gg

[neat skiff]

Huh, S3 gives 750 points. 18.75 levels. So A3 + all 5 T levels only gets you to level 47.

While rewards stop around 55.

[cunning river]

Yeah zero idea

[scarlet mortar]

they would've lasted longer if you deployed an op after either of them

[cunning river]

That guy that spawns in lower left just bolts and there's not much you can do to stop him

[scarlet mortar]

that was a waste of both of their uptimes

actually no, let him chain ntrk, deploy surtr to break it, then redeploy ntrk

free damage

the chains are very synergetic with ntrk S2

[cunning river]

That mob just ate a full Eyja S3 no problem

[scarlet mortar]

70 res

no duh

[cunning river]

Then what are you supposed to do?

[scarlet mortar]

^

[cunning river]

That seems beyond what I can do tbh

[scarlet mortar]

..the pause button exists

[cunning river]

Even with the pause button I have no idea what you want me to do

[scarlet mortar]

when this happens, deploy surtr behind ntrk

retreat ntrk

[neat skiff]

So, if you retreat an enemy that is chained up, and then defeat the coffin you can instantly redeploy them.

[scarlet mortar]

break the coffin with surtr

ntrk is now immediately back up

drop ntrk on the dumbass

[neat skiff]

Same as the maw dudes that eat your ops.

[cunning river]

But NTRK is like doing no damage still

[cunning river]

I have no idea what this means

[neat skiff]

Remmber chapter 10?

[scarlet mortar]

yh but now you have both ntrk and surtr

[neat skiff]

Wait, 11?

[cunning river]

Haven't played those yet

[scarlet mortar]

the top guy is still annoying, admittedly not the best opener

[cunning river]

So no, I don't remember

[scarlet mortar]

but that should at least kill one guy

[neat skiff]

Ever seen these dudes before?

[cunning river]

But doesn't NTRK have to do this in two deployements to work

[cunning river]

Never

[neat skiff]

So. So the mechanic is theirs.

[scarlet mortar]

the coffin resets the deployment timer

[cunning river]

Yes, but Surtr can break tops once before she dies

[scarlet mortar]

if an op's captured by the coffin and you break it, they're immediately available

[neat skiff]

When those enemies touch your ops they will eat them. You cannot redeploy your ops while they're still alive. Once the enemy dies your op that was eaten can be instantly redeployed.

[scarlet mortar]

from the looks of that vid neither surtr nor ntrk is killing them on their own

so like, drop both

i'm still kinda looking for a better alternative bc that's pretty resource-demanding

[plain reef]

what website is this?

[cunning river]

So as I was saying Surtr can do it at most once before she dies

[scarlet mortar]

wait how is surtr not breaking a coffin

[cunning river]

She does

Once

And that's to kill one guy

There's another coming right behind him

[scarlet mortar]

yh

[cunning river]

The one that's camouflaged

[scarlet mortar]

but the other guy's squishy

550 def 0 res

free ntrk again lmao

[cunning river]

That's what I tried but Texalter can't do it

[scarlet mortar]

https://map.ark-nights.com/map/act42d0_09

[neat skiff]

Are you doing a no healing challenge run?

[cunning river]

What? No

It's not like healing is going to do much to those two in that situation though

[neat skiff]

They're tanky enemies and they mainly hang around the right side.

The afk method for the stage is meatball tank, healing defender, good single target medic, AoE medic and the rest is damage.

[cunning river]

That might as well be gibberish to me

[neat skiff]

Half the team is defenders and medics.

[cunning river]

I kind of have a hard time imagining how that would work

[neat skiff]

The enemies are bulky and take time to kill so you either hold them or leak them.

[scarlet mortar]

the afk strat relies on basically brute forcing with stats ngl

[plain reef]

don't you specifically need eyjalter for it

[scarlet mortar]

the shadowblade has 400ish arts dps

[cunning river]

I do have Eyjalter but she's nowhere quick enough for this I feel

[neat skiff]

Nah. While she makes it easier there are a couple ops that can do it.

[scarlet mortar]

the shield guy has a whopping 2.7k atk, might as well camp 2 medics just to heal the defender

and you can't have them on the same defender since they go monke mode when together

[neat skiff]

Like a person in here did Perfumer + Gladiia as the only healing.

[plain reef]

for an afk strat?

[neat skiff]

Not afk.

[plain reef]

I was asking for this strat specifically

[neat skiff]

Here.

Yeah, afk you need the good stuff.

And by good stuff I mean Eyjaberry S1L7 E2L60.

[scarlet mortar]

gladiia on the shadowblade, looks right

[cunning river]

Yeah that shadowblade isn't tanky at all

[plain reef]

rip I don't have her built

[cunning river]

Definitely

[scarlet mortar]

60k hp yh

unfortunately this is the gamemode with normal amounts of hp

[cunning river]

"Normal"?

[neat skiff]

Enemy stat creep.

Global will soon be at 5 year anniversary. We have operator power creep and enemy stat creep to match.

[scarlet mortar]

mb i should've clarified with /s /j

[cunning river]

All because they were too much of a cowards to nerf Surtr at launch

[neat skiff]

Positive note, Ceobe enjoyers been eating good lately.

[plain reef]

the powercreep is intentional

[cunning river]

I mean, you can believe that

[plain reef]

it's not surtr's fault

[cunning river]

I think it's an issue that they don't know how to up the scales without nerfing stuff

So they are at an arms race with themselves

[neat skiff]

With no powercreep what reason would be there to pull new ops?

[cunning river]

And thus enemies have more and more inflated stats and bosses have more and more annoying gimmicks

Anyways

[cunning river]

I mean, making the enemies damage sponges isn't the only way to raise the stakes

[neat skiff]

Normally it's not this egregious.

[cunning river]

Oh I know

Still

[neat skiff]

But the event is supposed to be a CC stand in.

[cunning river]

Oh is that what it's supposed to be?

[neat skiff]

And A3 is the risk 18 equivalent.

[cunning river]

Honestly they should just give up and bring back CC

[neat skiff]

They do.

[cunning river]

And give you pulls and rewards instead of nothing like it used to be

[cunning river]

Neat

[neat skiff]

It's like pinch out operation but the risks are way more forgiving.

[cunning river]

I only heard bad things about Pinch, and that even CN hated it

[neat skiff]

No more +1000% HP.

The new CC seems pretty ok.

[cunning river]

Update

NTRK, Surtr and Goldenglow together can't kill this guy

[neat skiff]

70 res if you don't silence him.

Chapter 9 mechanic.

[cunning river]

I literally have no silence

[full finch]

refraction lol

[cyan gorge]

Texalter s1

[cunning river]

She does silence?

Still, I'm using her to kill the mobs at the beginning so they don't rush me

[full finch]

I uh

how do you deal with the boss?

[cunning river]

Me?

I'm not dealing with him yet

[full finch]

anybody

I've been ignoring the event for the past few days

[cyan gorge]

I gave up on bursting the Dublin tanks, Reedic/casters + defenders + a lot of healing ended up being the better option

[neat skiff]

I was mostly GG S2, defenders and medics. With Eyja S2 to help with chains.

[cunning river]

I am having trouble with one dude, I have no idea what I'll do with the boss

[cyan gorge]

Typhon solos boss

[cunning river]

S3?

[gilded chasm]

idk how to do S-1 with my team

[cyan gorge]

Yes

[cunning river]

I assume M3

[neat skiff]

A3.

Typhon needs quite a bit of help for S3.

[full finch]

what do I do now

[cunning river]

I meant the skill

[cyan gorge]

I just had Skalter and the occasional Warf on Typhon

[neat skiff]

Ahh. Then yes. Plus module.

[cunning river]

Yeah, I'd have to borrow that

[neat skiff]

Khold90#1725

[cunning river]

Yep

No idea

[void terrace]

Ange gaming

The Dublin donkeys are the true boss of this stage

[cunning river]

Zero fucking idea how to do this

Things are straight up immortal

[void terrace]

Surtr saria texalter

Or mylnar Chen shamare

[cunning river]

That's 100% not working

Look at the conversation above

[void terrace]

I'm curious if you can just silence out their resist

Or if you have enough squad space for it

Refraction is silencable

[cunning river]

Yeah but how reliable is that

[void terrace]

Instead of ange see if Lapland can survive

[cunning river]

How long does it last

Don't have Lappland

[full finch]

wait

there's buffs?

[void terrace]

Lapland is Perma silence on whoever she is attacking

[full finch]

where?

[void terrace]

Yes

It lowers your score

[full finch]

eh nvm

[void terrace]

I mean I wonder if lap is actually the solution to this stage

[neat skiff]

Fail the stage at least once. The buffs are... there I guess? they also lower your score so les rewards.

[void terrace]

I mean mylnar shamare seems more straighforward

[cunning river]

I'll be so mad if that's the case

[void terrace]

There is a surprising lack of ranged DMG in this stage

So shamare can just hide in a corner with Typhon and throw the doll on the sheildera

[cunning river]

Yeah the shadowblade is way tankier than you guys were saying

Is there a more reliable source of silence than Lappland or having to throw Texas at it every ten seconds

[neat skiff]

Sadly the jank that is Lappland is the most constant silence.

[cyan gorge]

They mob spawns way too early for Mlynar to ramp up enough

[scarlet mortar]

the shadowblade doesn't have refraction though

"less tanky" yh but unfortunately it's a massive amount of hp

[limpid siren]

if you only need silence for a short burst, use waai fu s2

[void terrace]

https://youtu.be/nnrhjjlPaOI?feature=shared

I mean I just stalled them out

[neat skiff]

If you look at their screenshots they mean the companion guard. they are having issues before the first shadowblade even spawns.

[void terrace]

I used this strat which was honestly pretty chill

The timing wasn't that strict and you can kind of just cheese the boss phase 2 with all the DMG and ceobe

[neat skiff]

bit over a week to figure something out.

[cunning river]

Oh that's not even the shadowblade? lmao

[void terrace]

Shamare seems like a good answer to relieve DMG but yeah perhaps better vanguards first?

[neat skiff]

Shadowblade spawns top right. Companion guard spawns mid left. Mid left is silencable.

[cunning river]

Fuck it, good old reliable SA

[void terrace]

https://youtu.be/IYlQ7af-RUs?feature=shared

Holy shit

Silver gun the madlad

Wait

You can push the shadowbaldes???

[neat skiff]

They weigh 2.

[void terrace]

Not the heavy defenders but the shadowbaldes

Damn

Weedy bulling time

[cunning river]

Okay killed the two and got to phase two and immediately died to some enemy I couldn't see

This game, istfg

Too much for tonight

I'm just gonna guide it tomorrow cause this is just bullshit

[somber stone]

Yeah seeing anything orange is a little bs sometimes

[full finch]

mmkay, finished

wtf is this

[sullen rover]

😹

[full finch]

wait what are the T stages

[limpid siren]

timed stages

3 waves

don't need to kill everything, just need to survive the timer

[full finch]

how is that different from just
kill the enemies and not die like normal

[limpid siren]

go play one and find out

[full finch]

or is this like SSS where as long as you don't lost all HP it's fine

[limpid siren]

you can leak

[full finch]

huh

well I did A3 alr, that's enough td for today

would anyone blame if I just copy a guide for S3

[limpid siren]

kermit told me he'd kill you if you did that

[full finch]

kermit can bite me

I'll still copy his cc1 strategy though

[void terrace]

Suddenly craving blaze start in is runs

Idk why but fire cat needs more love

[limpid siren]

get that bread

T-3 kinda punishing

[void terrace]

Ooh 5 star clear?

[limpid siren]

[void terrace]

Why not teq tho

Teq can clear the waves and lower pressure

[limpid siren]

Idk if teq is really a -1 for op count

[void terrace]

Having cuora in the center of the rocks or another defender and a medic pointing up can relieve the DMG to the snipers too. I guess that's what gravel was for?

[limpid siren]

But i haven’t tried much optimising

[void terrace]

Oh your going low op?

[limpid siren]

Those aren’t 5*s

[void terrace]

Oop brain

[limpid siren]

Not desperately, but I’ll probably try to cut a few more ops

[void terrace]

I mean teq instead of manticore

Would be good

[limpid siren]

There’s probably room to get to 6 or 7

[limpid siren]

Maybe? But this isn’t really a -1

It might be helpful if i try to cut bp by changing istina

Mr Nothing S1 might be the play, but then he blocks the LE golem things

[lapis sun]

After spending too much time and stress, finished S 3. It seemed to come down to retreating one of my DPS to make room to plant surtr in front of boss while he transitioned in 2nd phase half hp, this allowed surtr to live long enough to skill since boss was doing animations, and prevented boss from stepping forward to be perpendicular with suzuran. Suzuran lived instead of dying like every other attempt, so wondering if that was why.

[leaden kraken]

Well, I have been playing my dailies every day since august 2020.

[alpine pumice]

hmm based on salt mine submissions the most used ops for buffless S3 are suzuran and mlynar; both of them showing up in all but two clears

[foggy grove]

so new guard branch is basically splash on ground

[novel pivot]

Trauma 3 is somehow less of an abomination than trauma 1

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/942010737935675432.png?size=48

[scarlet fulcrum]

Indeed 2 and 3 still very kind for time stall compared to 1, more simple i will say

[limpid siren]

T-3 probably the hardest for me so far

but it's closer to just a classic kill map

[foggy grove]

1 is pretty easy to stall

[limpid siren]

the LE casters are unironically the most dangerous thing on the map

yea 1 is just cc spam

[scarlet fulcrum]

Stall=ton of champion and brawler

U kill em buddy

[foggy grove]

2 ambusher

suzu,mosti rotate

they are all clumped to middle lane literally

[scarlet fulcrum]

Different pov then dont mind me

I literally said time stall but whatever

[foggy grove]

ya i prolly don't understand wdym

[limpid siren]

Might just mean block stall vs crowd control stall

Block stalling feels like a trap in T-1

Kirn do 7 op 5* T-3 so i can copy ok ty

[scarlet fulcrum]

I also used cc stall there, killed most of them easily

[limpid siren]

Yea it’s mostly like big ugly and the champions that i stall until timeout

Most of the rest die, but they die while being slowed to hell and back

Harmonie, manticore, greyy/leizi

Hitting that mvspd minimum for most enemies

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh iconic stage, i still used full squad to stall there. Still not try it after mod era

[limpid siren]

Sorry i meant T-3

5-3 is an old favourite though

The classic roadblock of old

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh its still mixed 6* clear, i used fw for drone since sourceless, tho cant solo all

I stopped playing full 5* for a long time, kinda cringe now doctah playing mix like my nickname

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh damn interesting stall, based 🛐

[limpid siren]

[limpid siren]

Idk if there’s a 5* sniper that can solo the drone lanes

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah, the buffer drone wave make it harder to full solo

[limpid siren]

I bet archetto destroys that lane

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah tried chetto s3, easily solo this

[limpid siren]

Funny how she went from worst 6* marksman to probably the best

[spark sinew]

[scarlet fulcrum]

Still fine for content like this ig, featured on new cc series too. Not talking about max but still

[long epoch]

tbf, Archetto was always has been a decent Marksman.

[limpid siren]

Yea

Just overshadowed through the end of exusiai’s glory days

[scarlet fulcrum]

Tho i used another range dps for beyblade launcher, so technically not really solo, just my skill issue dont mind it

[celest bluff]

I heard something about million drone\

Time to put my Lin on support

[spark sinew]

kinda easier to just kill them

or watch afk clear guides and put whatever they're using

[celest bluff]

Aint that is what she does

A billion drone which does no damage to Lin but will fill her SP up\

Fast

[lapis hornet]

igneus you missed exu killing s3'tho

glory days still not over

[deft badger]

exu 🚮

texas (since 2023 marksman)

[scarlet mortar]

me when i pull up kuromu's exu vid to use as a buff army guide

[leaden kraken]

X or Y for ceobe ?

[spark sinew]

bread

-10res one

[deft badger]

when is eben getting his next mod? was it on hoederer or virtuosa?

[leaden kraken]

Crap, cant max it, not enought Data Supplement Instruments.... Guess I'll just have to wait for next event that drops them

[deft badger]

i think its virtuosa but not sure and on hoederer mud getting her or the other way around

[scarlet mortar]

did you do this SSS rotation already

[leaden kraken]

I never do SSS. Too hard and no guides

[scarlet mortar]

eben Dmod's before zwillingsturme

[lapis hornet]

brah don't you have acc with like a billion lvl 90s

[deft badger]

when is then mud and penance

[lapis hornet]

hows sss hard

[spark sinew]

wtf

[scarlet mortar]

people noticed he got preferential treatment and then put it together with the leaks to confirm that they're probs right

[scarlet mortar]

should be ZT

[deft badger]

i think u did mix up something bro

[spark sinew]

i wonder if penances mod is worth getting

seems a bit pricey

[deft badger]

i have to go and look on my own after all -.-

[spark sinew]

for a unit that will die with the next enemy stat buff anyway

[deft badger]

isnt it givin dr?

[spark sinew]

mod 1 sure

[scarlet mortar]

get owned

[spark sinew]

mod2 and 3 help a ton

main concern is mod blocks as always

[weak gazelle]

penance mod is a pricey yes
common thought stop at lvl 1

[deft badger]

so eben gets his at hoederer?

[weak gazelle]

[leaden kraken]

I think SSS is annoyingly hard. I've not manage to beat a single map... So I just stopped caring

[spark sinew]

somehow i can do mod1 on shitty unit like jieyun no problem

[scarlet mortar]

looks like it

[spark sinew]

but I'm really reluctant to invest into 6*

[deft badger]

yesss going to e2 then like now...

[spark sinew]

oh yeah did aethervoid sheet fully die

[deft badger]

saria s3m3 done and i am going to play casters only f mlynar

[weak gazelle]

well, mine will mod 3 her anyway just because simp
already m9 her might as well go mod3 too

[spark sinew]

i was considering s1 when is3 was around

but i also already had Nothing raised so decided against it

[lapis hornet]

wow aether sheet still alive?

[glass monolith]

Give me Vendela

[leaden kraken]

And, I've got like 29 modules maxed anyway. Did not feel any need to run it 😛

[lapis hornet]

bro no offense like

i get some ppl just wanna build units and don't care about the gameplay

[spark sinew]

you definitely should do first clears at least

[lapis hornet]

but you sound a bit too lost in anything without a straight guide to copy

[spark sinew]

but i feel like there's something more to the story

[deft badger]

sss gives medals...

[glass monolith]

FUCK WHY IS4 MONTHLY SQUAD UPDATED

[spark sinew]

it's _literally _ impossible to lose om the first map with your roster

[glass monolith]

I HAVENT DONE

[deft badger]

noob

[scarlet mortar]

hashtag get owned

[spark sinew]

I'm fairly sure even if you deploy it like it's a regular stage (so no stacks) you still stomp

[deft badger]

go in without a tank on first like i did then we talk about the possibillity part again

[leaden kraken]

I usually do event maps 1-8 w/o guides, then some ex. But at least 50% of Ex and challenges with guides.
And I usually do the Integrated Strategies, albeit only -1 or 0 diffculty. I max my level by sheer persistence 😛

Edit: I really do not like hard challenges. I prefer slow grind over challenges...

[spark sinew]

you can do it without tank

first half at least for sure

[deft badger]

thomas?

[spark sinew]

some people even did ranged comp

[deft badger]

u lose on that map with cars first

[spark sinew]

that's not map1

[deft badger]

well skill issue then i suck

what is map one isnt it thomas

i baited him in to going to look

[spark sinew]

you wish

by map1 i mean the first map

[deft badger]

why would u wanna do the first one only anyway

[spark sinew]

because they told Cake that they lost at the first map

[lapis hornet]

man my flist is dead where's mah credits

[spark sinew]

no one borrows your myrtle?

weird

[deft badger]

[spark sinew]

i heard she's the best op in the game

[lapis hornet]

the friend visit thing

no one borrows my units

only 120s on my list

I should kick them and only add newbs

put up random generic stuff like mlynar they'll love me surely

[deft badger]

where do u see that anyway

[lapis hornet]

cause I never get the extra credit lul

it's like 30 or smth?

[spark sinew]

kick everyone

add new players like me

[deft badger]

i dont even know what u are talking about right now do we get credits if someone borrows a op from us?

[spark sinew]

yes

[deft badger]

can i see if someone is borrowing mine? like when cc is up

[lapis hornet]

you see stats in cc

like how many times someone borrowed from you which units were most often borrowed

wait did they port that to poo? they did right?

[spark sinew]

i think so

actually maybe not

idr at all...

[deft badger]

thats 20 once a day if some uses ur op

dont even know who to put in to support

90% of my fl is lvl120 they have all of it

hauck why have u been looking for typhon did skip her?

[spark sinew]

i don't pull for bad ops so i don't have Typhon

[deft badger]

hahahaha why is she bad...

[lapis hornet]

she's not he just hating cause he skipped

I like her better than I expected but I've always liked rosa also so

the range is nice

she's not some megacracked ssssss tier broken unit tho

[deft badger]

she does more dmg then mlynar on st with s3 so i don't care

which part does upset u hauck...?

[spark sinew]

why would i be upset here

[deft badger]

btw does chalter have to be deployed to reduce ammo cost of other ops?

[jovial nest]

If we're talking entire skill duration...

[spark sinew]

it's actually very entertaining

[jovial nest]

Mlynar wins

[lapis hornet]

wait fk there's a medal for using supports I gotta redo some stages zzz

[spark sinew]

typhon takes like a minute to dump her s3

[jovial nest]

i have no idea why you think Typhon S3 beats Mlynar

[lapis hornet]

within 1 minute she does do more st dmg tho that's not wrong

[deft badger]

he wins in dps not total dmg and as higher def goes he sucks even more since

[jovial nest]

and thats important

[deft badger]

because the sim does say it does...

[jovial nest]

we trying to make the boss not move while Typhon uses all her ammo?

[spark sinew]

total damage is not really relevant outside a couple ops

[lapis hornet]

the lock on is also p nice

[spark sinew]

and even then you need to consider that typhon s3 sucks ass if boss comes through a line of mobs or similar

if you truly like her infinite range

[lapis hornet]

yall looking down on her s3 is her best skill

[jovial nest]

there's a reason Degen is very strong. A stronger DPS given to a shorter time means there's better skill cycling

For every time Typhon takes to use all her ammo

[spark sinew]

i never liked s3 typhon argument

[jovial nest]

Mlynar is already charging his S3 again

[spark sinew]

you guys are using s2 99% of the time

[lapis hornet]

nah I used s3 a fair lot

[spark sinew]

ok, UnknownM does

[lapis hornet]

s2 is actually kinda whatever, well it's nice but not enough to make me dump 100+ pulls

[deft badger]

i did m3 s3 later on

[jovial nest]

you do you....

[spark sinew]

and do you use it often?

[deft badger]

just to have it for is

[jovial nest]

but ngl I don't like Typhon much on boss killing

[deft badger]

not really

[jovial nest]

unless the boss is so far away in tile bans that one of the few options is Typhon's range

[spark sinew]

i considered typhon for hard content, but then we got two units that are excellent with buffs and can dump damage much faster

so like

[deft badger]

but she did eat clip

[lapis hornet]

yeah the pull schedule is tough if you're f2p

[jovial nest]

well

you're getting a bit of a break

the next one is Degen

but afterwards

it's banger after banger

Ray, Shu, Ela

that is unless you don't wanna risk FOMO (sparking for future) for Virtuosa

[lapis hornet]

virtuosa used in 2/2 ccs so far

you can skip if you like I know I'm not gonna

[deft badger]

i am going to pull them all

going to skip the sword dude dont really see a reason to have him

[spark sinew]

forced f2p, kinda sad
is this how cn official players feel

[jovial nest]

I'm just saying that Typhon's S3 has really good DPS. But its con is that it takes a long while to fully apply its value. So it's best for very slow boss fights

[spark sinew]

hoed actually has a niche

with potentially more

[jovial nest]

especially when we consider buffs and debuffs

those have duration

[jovial nest]

it's not for everyone heh

[lapis hornet]

she has good total dmg the dps itself is actually mid

[spark sinew]

would put him on the same line as all other units like typhon and jess though

[deft badger]

she doesnt have good dps... she has dmg in total, her dps sucks

[jovial nest]

not everyone likes to duel tank a boss

[spark sinew]

but you pulled for them, so

[lapis hornet]

it's rly for multistage stuff where ammo mechanics will help

[jovial nest]

Ammo is great DPS pacing

[spark sinew]

yeah it's great when the boss will fuck off into some undeployable corridor

[jovial nest]

but it doesn't play well with buffs/debuffs

[spark sinew]

or teleports or whatever

[jovial nest]

unless we get an ammo-based buffer/debuffer

LMAO that'd be hilarious

Ela might be considered as one....if we consider mine count as ammo

[spark sinew]

i mean you can use shamare fine

[jovial nest]

you can pace her fragile well

oh yeah Sham charges S2 even with doll dropped

[spark sinew]

it's a bit eh because of high def ignore built in though

[jovial nest]

so in total you cna have 2 dolls worth of duration

[neat skiff]

I know someone in here did it with Shamare and Elysium layering their skills.

[jovial nest]

thats a good combo

that's what I did in CC4

[spark sinew]

or like buffing typhon, proccing the next stage, and charging the skill again during phase transition

[jovial nest]

dailies

CC4

some max risk CC4 dailies have insane bulk

Sham and Ely S2 were great

[spark sinew]

is it worth it though? ehhhh

[jovial nest]

depends

what are your main DPS?

for me it was Chalter back then

[spark sinew]

that's a rhetorical question

for me it's not worth

[neat skiff]

If you follow the build meta of 3 years ago and only build physical...

[jovial nest]

you have the ops built. Not like there's a penalty in experimentation

[jovial nest]

well, its because that certain daily had Bob risk

in other words, RES too high

so i went physical

ahhhh good fucking memories. Back in CC4, someone was using Eyja S3 and it's doing mindamage to Bob

it was hilarious

[neat skiff]

I'm more memeing because a couple people have made Exu work by phys debuff army. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tg_NTGBKSs

[jovial nest]

ah, the Exu fans will never die

not when there's enough buffs/debuffs to use

wow all 5 of those icons

they brought everyone

that's worth using for Exu

[spark sinew]

buff armies always look so easy

god forbid you try to do them yourself though...

[jovial nest]

the timing for Exu S3 is always annoying for me

[lapis hornet]

nah buff army is p easy

[jovial nest]

but it only requires some memory on how long Exu autoactivates S3 from drop

[spark sinew]

i mean you're basically putting all your eggs in one basket

[lapis hornet]

sometimes you have to

also the burst is satisfying af

[spark sinew]

if you fuck up in regular clear you can salvage it cause you have 8 more units that actually can do stuff

in buff army? yeah you just die

[lapis hornet]

like you think ceobe do good dmg but look at how fast the bar goes down with exu lmao

[neat skiff]

Ceobe makes it go down fast if you RES debuff as well...

[lapis hornet]

not that fast

[spark sinew]

even QB melts super fast

[lapis hornet]

I've tried buff army ceobe

[neat skiff]

Like, to make Exu work you need to strip like 70% of the bosses armour. Ceobe pushes through 50 RES in most comps.

[jovial nest]

it's not exactly all that problematic. I always consider 1 DPS + multiple buffs/debuffs better than multiple nukers with 0 buffs/debuffs.
BUT only if its 1 Phase of HP

[deft badger]

doesnt skalter s3 do just dmg?

[lapis hornet]

it also buffs

[jovial nest]

mostly the good mix is 2 boss killers with multiple buffs debuffs

[neat skiff]

It's also an atk buff.

[jovial nest]

it's a flat ATK buff

[spark sinew]

yeah it doesn't seem particularly fast

[jovial nest]

using Skalter's ATK base

it's best for low ATK ops

like Marksmen

[deft badger]

have to look what it does again

[lapis hornet]

also exu cheesed eyjaberry's boss ppl kept saying it's the hardest event

[jovial nest]

the True Dmg is a bonus

[lapis hornet]

idk why everyone says she's dead man

[jovial nest]

not the selling point

[jovial nest]

those who said that either cannot read the gimmick back in CN

or never ever read event mechanics

[neat skiff]

So. Skalter gives 1018 attack when buffed by Warf and S3M3 active.
Skalter by herself gives 577. Warf boosts it by 441 attack.
If an operator has 491 or more attack then it is better to buff the operator than Skalter.
That is also ignoring other potential +atk and atk_scale interactions.

Without an abyssal hunter in range:
Skalter gives 974 attack when buffed by Warf and S3M3 active.
Skalter by herself gives 534. Warf boosts it by 440 attack.
If an operator has 489 or more attack then it is better to buff the operator than Skalter.

[jovial nest]

• boss gimmicks

[neat skiff]

Old copypasta 😄

[jovial nest]

i do like the comparisons. It's a good way to consider who to bring if your squad is tight on space

cause yeah you can't just make a team with only boss DPS + buffs/debuffs

it has to lane well

and kill elites too

[deft badger]

i want skalter

[jovial nest]

have mine

[lapis hornet]

that exu clear was 10 op enough slots even in one of the hardest stages

[jovial nest]

i don't use her anymore

Skalter for me ain't carrying enough of the slot demands

[deft badger]

well i am hopeing on my luck to get her like i did with chalter

[jovial nest]

not the 13 slots, not the 8 (average) deployment limit

[lapis hornet]

honestly IS just hypnotized everyone's brain you just want generalists in every slot now lmao

[neat skiff]

Yeah, while I'm glad I do have her I haven't used her in a hot minute.

[spark sinew]

i mean they work well enough

[jovial nest]

even in IS

Skalter ain't my first pick even with high hope in supp voucher

not anymore anyways

I've raised Quercus

and will prefer to recruit her more

[lapis hornet]

peepoweird

oh it's jusan figures

[spark sinew]

clear above just seems like a regular team but you just swapped into different buffers

[neat skiff]

Quercus is goated.

[lapis hornet]

she's okay

[jovial nest]

if you don't need Skalter's buffs, you're better off using Quercus

I'm considering superinflated enemy stats

[lapis hornet]

skalter's never been all that in is anyway

[spark sinew]

pretty cheap to raise, might as well

[jovial nest]

well not THAT cheap

she's still a 5*

goddamn glue demands

I'm raising everyone. So yeah some might not be in the same low glue situation as i am

[lapis hornet]

yeah glue's actually annoying af when you build a lot of units

[neat skiff]

Dead week? Red cert farming time.

[lapis hornet]

my red ticket stash melting faster than ako flipflopped on typhon

[jovial nest]

My roccs low too

[spark sinew]

did ako flipflop on typhon?

[jovial nest]

so I'm doing some 1-7 as well

[spark sinew]

you mean back when she released vs after degen banner or around that?

[jovial nest]

why care what the majority of AKO thinks?

[spark sinew]

why do we chat here?

because it's funny

and partly to guide some newbies into 252

[neat skiff]

Because we get things like Irene and Penance that are "omg, must raise, new meta" that sit around in the base collecting dust.

[jovial nest]

I just consider it a bit of a waste of time to think what the majority thinks. The majority being the ones who just follow bandwagons and never try to learn themselves

[lapis hornet]

it wasn't degen it was ray

[jovial nest]

Ray's good too

[neat skiff]

The Ray copium was amusing.

[jovial nest]

think of it like this

[spark sinew]

better art design, can't argue with that

[jovial nest]

Typhon is better for laning

Ray is better for boss killing

simple

[spark sinew]

muh sniper chips should be used wisely!

[jovial nest]

I'm not exactly gonna tout Ray as an equal laner to Typhon's S2

but she can destroy bosses better than Typhon S3

[neat skiff]

"Typhon is easier to use but if there are 2 enemies in range she is forced to attack 2 enemies. Ray is harder to use, more annoying to optimise and a bunch of busy work but she is like Typhon if she could attack one enemy at a time".

[jovial nest]

Ray is harder to use....

[spark sinew]

she has quite low skill damage doesn't she

[jovial nest]

dude she plays like Poze except the summon just makes her prio a specific spot and increase range instead of shooting arrows

[spark sinew]

like sure she has good cycle and buff reception

[jovial nest]

harder to use

anything that ain't AFK is "harder to use?"

[neat skiff]

Ray = must pull apparently.

[spark sinew]

she looked more like elite killer for me

[lapis hornet]

okay guys

let's just stop yapping about cn units no one's used

[jovial nest]

nice joke

bait used to be believable

[spark sinew]

very good cycle, cc, ability to choose the part that you want to target

[lapis hornet]

until we get to try them ourselves

[spark sinew]

let us yap about degen then

[neat skiff]

Irene 2.0.

Instead of levitate it's tremble.

[spark sinew]

because yeah i didn't use ray much

there was really no reason to not borrow degen

[jovial nest]

as much as I'm tempted to max pot her...

its not exactly to the levels of a high pot Mly

and there's a lot to pull after her

[spark sinew]

pulling for high pots is like

[jovial nest]

its a whale thing

yeah

[spark sinew]

nice you have your high pot mly and frd

now you're gated by pots on 5 different units

[neat skiff]

Yeah, if there wasn't 3 limited banners in a row coming up...

[jovial nest]

I'm happy enough with my pot6 Ya2 and Tex2

[spark sinew]

so nothing changed, you still can't clear shit that you couldn't before

[lapis hornet]

I've used yato like 2 times after her event lmao most overrated units universe

(half kidding I know she's good)

[jovial nest]

coming from you....

[deft badger]

see hauck i am not a whale i have one pot6 op

[jovial nest]

sometimes i don't believe you're joking

[spark sinew]

i have 2 p6

[lapis hornet]

I said half

I think she's bit overrated cause of cc12

but she's still good

[jovial nest]

lmao

imagine measuring an ops' worth due to a CC

fuck that

[spark sinew]

she was used as a caster killer in cc12

[neat skiff]

She is still physical damage. Sky high def hurts.

[lapis hornet]

brah have you seen horn hype after cc9

[spark sinew]

idt anyone rated her high because of that

[deft badger]

penance p6 was more like forced on me.. did just try to get that texas

[jovial nest]

max risk CC is like the worst measurement of value

i mean

[neat skiff]

Horn has at least found some use in regular stages.

[jovial nest]

if that was the case Blem and Noir should be touted fucking S tier due to CC9

[lapis hornet]

I hear she's good in is4 tho?

[jovial nest]

no

[lapis hornet]

yato I mean

[jovial nest]

Ya2 is ALWAYS good in most content

its FRD flexibility

thats why no matter how old Ya2 and Tex2 are now

they're still premium picks on most content

[lapis hornet]

premium picks lmao

I barely even use texas

[jovial nest]

wow, YOU are the measure of the value?

sure

[lapis hornet]

I coulda picked her for dos3 for the res shred ig

[jovial nest]

teach me o enlightened one

[lapis hornet]

so you're the yardstick? lmao

[long epoch]

Using OP FRDs on most content is more like brainless pick than premium pick.

[jovial nest]

i'd sooner use the yardstick on CN players

who has 6 months ahead of us

[neat skiff]

Texalter S3 was great. the stuns made the laning enemies easier to deal with.

[lapis hornet]

cn players pogu

they must be dalaos since they're cn

[jovial nest]

nope

they're also stupid

but they have 6 months

worth of context

[polar crane]

im stupid

[jovial nest]

and half a year of value

[lapis hornet]

cn players are bigger bandwagoners than en

[neat skiff]

Plus, it seems to be a trend that around the time global is to get the op there is content in CN that highlights their usage.

[jovial nest]

is a good information comparison

[spark sinew]

is there a list of the enemies in april fools event and the changes to their stats?

like i heard mortars are buffed

[jovial nest]

you mean the TABS?

they changed some stats?

[spark sinew]

the current cn one

where you bet on which side will win

[atomic monolith]

Duska mods, which should is better?

[jovial nest]

i know

thats why i call it TABS

[atomic monolith]

I feel like it will depend on skill...

[spark sinew]

...why is the very first one actually hard

[lapis hornet]

the range one better for s1 the sp one better for s3, see which skill you use more often

[deft badger]

on who did u bet?

[polar crane]

slugs win

[jovial nest]

are the slugs ranged or melee?

wait no

the shield guys don't have enough time to kill them all fast even on a 9:1

[polar crane]

its the def reduction one in one cc map

[deft badger]

i think slugs win.. its a bait

[jovial nest]

def reduc

slug wins

[spark sinew]

wow plastic knights suck

[polar crane]

ye they suck
they only win against the prison sniper

[lapis hornet]

alsa you still here?

[jovial nest]

plastic knight depends

they only win when the enemies rely on immediate attacking

[spark sinew]

since you're here

which one would win here

[jovial nest]

Pompeii

[spark sinew]

i lost too many ingots on betting already

[polar crane]

jess lose

[spark sinew]

since i assume firs 5 are fixed battles

[long epoch]

Jess almost always lose.

[polar crane]

unless he clone like 3 times

[deft badger]

i bet on left side

[jovial nest]

Pompeii is weaker against anyone who does ranged DPS

but if its melee

they're getting the entire brute force of its incineration

[lapis hornet]

jess is so bad it's unreal he's like the vigil of ak bosses

alsa ppl keep saying degen > mlynar now you think that's accurate?

[jovial nest]

he wins some fights

really depends on matchup

[long epoch]

Just use both.

[jovial nest]

they nuke way too differently. I'd rather bring both

but if you REALLY have to pick one

Degen

Degen actually lanes

[long epoch]

Degen burst spike is a lot better. She's very efficient when you want something dies really fast.

[lapis hornet]

I barely use mlynar lol, degen sounds more my style of unit but

[jovial nest]

i use every meta unit so I have some very subjective considerations for everyone

[noble pewter]

degen is true dmg?

[jovial nest]

no

Physical