strategy

[dark glade]

[shell arch]

Huh, weirdge. I never buy chip glues in redcert shop neither :blebishine:

[dark glade]

I never buy one too

[halcyon adder]

It's probably like d1 r18 cc level

[deft badger]

zee did understand it 😄

[dark glade]

But its still modblock pressure

[glass monolith]

Goal to E2 entire roster come at price

[dark glade]

even when i have 100+

[spark sinew]

i buy a lot of glue, weird

[deft badger]

i don't even have a six star that i wish to e2 atm so who cares

[dark glade]

Yes you e2 alot of ops like czerny and tomimi

Mind explaining that hauck

[glass monolith]

Pros: Your entire roster is e2, you don't have time to farm 1-7
Cons: You farm AP-5 instead

[dark glade]

[spark sinew]

it's not even about not having enough lmd cause i gain lmd currently

[deft badger]

i am good

[spark sinew]

despite orundrum farming and raising random stuff

that's literally one and a fourth of a 6*

and you're out

[deft badger]

does it look like i have lmd... 😄

[dark glade]

What the fuck

[deft badger]

till i can do one more e2 i will gain +4 catalyst by doing just dailys again and will be out of lmd again

i am in that cycle since months so i know i don't have to do it 😄

[glass monolith]

Never, enough, red certs

[spark sinew]

wtf

[deft badger]

hahahaha

well i have 0 atm so i am getting some

[spark sinew]

i kept trying to move my lmd from 18kk to...below that and it's basically impossible

[deft badger]

when u are making like 60k daily

[spark sinew]

even limiteds don't really eat a lot of lmd

[glass monolith]

damn bro, i am only on 8kk and that number will rapidly diminish during chapter 13 as i start another e2 streak

[spark sinew]

since recent ones you wouldn't 90 anyway

[dark glade]

Me when my lmd go up after e2 eyja

tbh im not pulling anyone new

[spark sinew]

i mean I'm not pulling either

but not like UnknownM is different from us

he pulls but doesn't raise them

[deft badger]

hahahaha 😄

[dark glade]

send krooster

[deft badger]

https://krooster.com/u/TheUnknownMs

hoederer should drop 3 days before DOS ends, means next Fr? with him comes chapter 13
12.april

[spark sinew]

banned

[deft badger]

hahaha for 😄

[tall cairn]

He’s just like me fr.

[deft badger]

hard to call it speculation since it has to be in time

[dusky grove]

What's the idea for A-3

Uh

Just heal

Lol?

[glass monolith]

Kill fireball, kill boss, die to those fucking overtuned guards what the fuck

[jovial nest]

It's hard enough to warrant looking up how to do it unless you're the exception and learn for yourself to abuse Maw consume, the boss's phase transition ability to cage your ops for immediate redep, and also time stall skills perfectly to nuke them in perfect cycles.

[spark sinew]

baiting or killing fireball

[jovial nest]

Learning who dies, who gets to redep, and who stays is also quite an effort

[deft badger]

since they launched "Episode 13 Preview Event" thing which announces ep13 so yeah..
2weeks after the lauch of that Hoederer with ep13

[jovial nest]

and that's excluding who is actually a good ops to keep for the stage and who to replace

[dusky grove]

Fireballs

Uh

They follow taunt right

[spark sinew]

if you don't have a good tank + healing defender, you can use...two tanks

[glass monolith]

Operator's taunt i think. I seen someone complained they ignore Jess shield taunt

[spark sinew]

top can be held by pusher
left you need to tank
boss you need to tank because pusher will be killed otherwise

[dusky grove]

Pusher top?

The invisible dude?

[glass monolith]

Those can be cheesed by pushing them away, as long as pusher survives doing skill

[spark sinew]

well you put a healer on them, but even aoe healer is fine

[dusky grove]

Should be fine?

Ig

Maybe I should hold the boss top as well?

[spark sinew]

6 star teams can also just ines knife

[dusky grove]

In*s

[glass monolith]

*n*s this, *n*s that

Using overpowered 6*s just hurts my pride, ignore me

[dark glade]

whats with the weird masteries

[deft badger]

now even that dude bullies my rooster

which one lol

[sullen rover]

he likes making hauckindu proud

[deft badger]

yato s1? spalter just s2?

[dark glade]

I should have make him proud by m9ing eyjaberry

[void terrace]

I'm kind of sad there are no lowstar guides. Are rewards really locked behind s stages?

[sullen rover]

its like 50k lmd dude

[void terrace]

I mean I have it

[sullen rover]

just wait literally 1 day

[void terrace]

But I think this is truly the first

Event that you can't lowstar

[spark sinew]

i know you won't

[void terrace]

Or 1 6 star

[glass monolith]

I heard you don't really need to do S-3 for level 55 reward, so i suffered for no reason

[void terrace]

For max rewaeds

[dark glade]

Mats better for m9 stainless

[spark sinew]

mine is m6
soon m9

[dark glade]

You really going to s2m3?

[spark sinew]

"soon" is relative

[dark glade]

Aah

See you in 4 years

[spark sinew]

thinking small

[dusky grove]

Damn

Uh

For A3

There will be 1 shield bro that goes to right blue box right

Or he will loop

[dark glade]

Iirc the last one goes to the right

[deft badger]

if u have AH just use them

[dark glade]

Idk if it loop because i kill in the intersection

[dusky grove]

Hm

So I have to make two group of operators?

[little orchid]

first two waves go to left box, third goes to right. shield goes through the bottom side of the stage, shadow makes a loop

[dusky grove]

Feels like pain

[deft badger]

not really u can camp just left side

[dusky grove]

Hm

For boss tho

He only loops once

[deft badger]

and u kill him there

[dusky grove]

So where's the choke i need

Hmm

Do I try to make him go down to 50%

Right there

So he drops down?

Is that the idea

[dusky grove]

In*s

Invalid argument

[deft badger]

surtr killed him

[dusky grove]

Hm

[deft badger]

then typhon is going for the finish

[dusky grove]

That's cool

[spark sinew]

we have a banner with her

[dusky grove]

I will not

[spark sinew]

if you like her that much as it seems

[dusky grove]

Virtuosa+ shu + r6s

So no

Just have to cope

I*es

AH doing the trick is quite

Lol

[dusky grove]

Skadi on s3?

[dark glade]

The only map that i complain about ines where there be no mount and seas

DoS is not one of them

[deft badger]

don't know i never use her skill anyway xD

[dark glade]

The easiest killbox for A-3 should be ontop of red box

[deft badger]

she just there to hold them in place but she is on s3 i guess

[dark glade]

Since it chill there for a while

Then place ops below redbox

[spark sinew]

afk setup is actually very easy

[dark glade]

So the fireball target that ops

And you kill the fireball and the boss

[dark glade]

is this gg2 qb1 again?

[deft badger]

add skalter if u have one... this one was easy

just have to activate typhon and if u don't have typhon u can use qb or something like that

[dusky grove]

My typhon has no mod

This is so joever

How do people get 100% so fast

[deft badger]

full arts team as long u can hold that creepy guy in place

[dusky grove]

Thanks

Uh

Any tips for s3

Or just bring buffs lol

[deft badger]

s3 just have fun xD

[spark sinew]

gg2 indeed but idt levels or mastery matter

you just tank

I'm surprised it actually worked

[dark glade]

No trilby asher

Stage so easy

Just tank

[deft badger]

hoshi can tank that dude as well with skalter and eyjaalter heal

[dark glade]

I dont even remember what i use

[deft badger]

i guess other heals work as well as long u can heal all that dmg

[dark glade]

And with that i will say stainless tank it

[deft badger]

coming from that guys that spawn on the left side they 3 hit hoshi

i wasn't ebale to generate that much DP to use stainless -.-

myrtle and ines are not enough

[sullen rover]

burst cycling
ceobe kills boss with some supports

[spark sinew]

no need for skalter, hoshi just tanks

[deft badger]

she doesn't -.-

did try eyja hoshi and she got slapped

[little orchid]

weak hoshi then. 90 s2m3 mod3 tanks them with just ptilo

[sullen rover]

consider eyja s3

[spark sinew]

mine is block4 mod1

but yeah i think it's NG s2

so some healing goes towards hoshi from her

[little orchid]

btw do we know the enemy stats on s3? description says greatly buffed, but by how much

[sullen rover]

hp and atk set to 160% iirc (?)

[little orchid]

damn

[deft badger]

mine dies... with eyja 😄

[little orchid]

weird

[deft badger]

did try it now with just eyja she dies

with lumen eyja she is fine

[little orchid]

actually, does she just tank them all, or you've got someone killing the shields?

[deft badger]

one is always on her...

[little orchid]

theoretically, if she gets ganged up by 2-3 shields for a while, i can see her getting killed

[deft badger]

that's why i used in the end just skadi

[little orchid]

skadi is love, skadi is life

[vivid summit]

I kinda need help with a3 too

[smoky halo]

where u dying?

[deft badger]

did try this... with hoshi did work

[vivid summit]

I feel like my healing with hoshi is going to be too low when more shielded are on her in phase 2

[vivid summit]

Im still working on handling boss phase 2

[deft badger]

what do u have?

[smoky halo]

like the fireball?

[sullen rover]

game plan is place matterhorn at a corner then gravel when matterhorn dies

[vivid summit]

I’m thinking andreana + suzu and then typhon s3 to finish phase 2

[deft badger]

typhon solos p2

[vivid summit]

But faster kill

I’m working on it

[deft badger]

well i did say what do u have xD

i don't know how limited u are when it comes to ops

and its fast enough he dies in 4 tiles

[vivid summit]

Abyssal hunters, hoshi mudrock shining suzuran weedy

Quercus will be ready soon

Im using shining and e1 warfarin and e1 ptilopsis to heal hoshi so far

[deft badger]

if u have skadi u don't need hoshi

if u have ines u don't have to care about balls

[vivid summit]

Two come later though

No ines

[deft badger]

well give some arts dmg to that corner

[vivid summit]

Im using texas and yato to break chains and deal some damage

I dont have gg or eyja

[deft badger]

place something in that corner that does enough arts dmg

spam texas there and let her eat chains

remove when she has a chain on her w8 till its down and drop her again

that's what i did

resetting texas cd

[vocal leaf]

budget surtr
now that croco guy is coming

[deft badger]

that's not s3?

it is actually 7/12

s1-2 have 11 ads

[vocal leaf]

yeah funny thing i do have surtr but im saving mats for hoederer, don’t want to build her right now

[deft badger]

did u use? mlynar to kill him

[vivid summit]

How much healing does skadi need to tank the shield guy

[deft badger]

just eyja and gladiia

[vivid summit]

So quercus should be okay

I dont think skadi would work for the 2 shieldguards i dont have enough damage to kill

[vocal leaf]

it worked
and amiya even got on screen, my savior

[lapis hornet]

gg ez

[glass monolith]

I see Ceobeless clear, I pog

[vocal leaf]

oh it was almost over here had to remove mylnar to block the ch12 guy

[lapis hornet]

ceobe is the best but not irreplaceable

think suzu the one you can't replace

well you can but

[scarlet fulcrum]

Welp she is carry for mid lane

[vivid summit]

Im thinking m3ing weedy s1 and removing abyssal hunters

[edgy temple]

can't even clear s1

sad

[vocal leaf]

suzu and saria are big helps, slow + arts damage amplifications helped a lot and there you also have ely for physical dps

and shamare as well

[noble pewter]

what kind of ops u have

[rich rune]

Does blacknight's summon synergize with Sora's s1? Because if it does I have some ideas.

[noble pewter]

sleep the enemies to death? hmm

maybe u can take the sp regen for vanguard incr buff n somehow make blacknight sleep perma in DOS

[sullen rover]

boss is sleep immune

[noble pewter]

maybe he just want to perma stall the mid lane n save all his dps for boss?

[vivid summit]

Mudrock doesnt tank boss forever without skill

SMH

[deft badger]

do u have the full video i would like to see it 😄
i kinda have the feeling that i did overkill, when i am looking at what u are using

[turbid badge]

Yea

[deft badger]

hp restore is it one time on activation?

nvm...

reading is hard

[noble pewter]

it says each second

[deft badger]

saw it right now...

[noble pewter]

u used her in ur s3 clear n didnt even noticed her own healing due to eyjalter/suzu/reed doing healing huh

[jovial nest]

thats why Saria and Suzu's S3 are so commonly used presently for difficult content

not only are they slow and debuffs, they're also heals

[deft badger]

i didn't even know suzu heals as well lol

[jovial nest]

lmao

[deft badger]

hahaha i thought its just slow and fragile xD

[turbid badge]

u borow mine

[deft badger]

i don't think it was urs, was one with mod

but it was sp mod so how usefull that actually is i don't know...

[vocal leaf]

i wasn’t recording, but i could try to clear it again and record it this time

[spark sinew]

ew

[turbid badge]

Haukcindu i i guv up

[ivory leaf]

I just E1 my Warfarin, is it worth the time ?

[glass monolith]

Well you already decided to waste your time on AK so it is too late to back off

And E2 Warfarin S2 with maxed mastery is one of largest +ATK% buffs

[ivory leaf]

Finally a use for my quibai

[glass monolith]

Sounds good

[ivory leaf]

That SP talent is gonna be useful in future battles prob

[timid schooner]

its only A1 and its already pain

[ivory leaf]

I'm on B1 and I have given up already

[timid schooner]

FUCK THERE ARE TOO MANY AAAAAAAA

[ivory leaf]

Place Myrtle

She'll hold them off

[glass monolith]

S-3, heads empty

[ivory leaf]

I should've done this sooner

[spark sinew]

we shill stainless instead

warf bad

[ivory nimbus]

I'm looking at A-1, and it's already bullshit enough. I just want to complete A-3 to get the medal and Cardigan's outfit.

[ivory leaf]

Too bad I don't have stainless

[jovial nest]

borrow a Lin

for easy cheesy

also Mudrock's placement ain't too ideal

you're blocking easy kills (the hole)

make her block somewhere else

like the shield guys' lane

[vivid rain]

Wait is that mudrock actually just there to bait cannon lmfao

[jovial nest]

yes

[vivid rain]

Btw get a shaw on your team

[jovial nest]

just borrow Lin

her shield cheeeses the harass

[ivory nimbus]

How to beat A-1 to A-3?

[jovial nest]

skip to A-3 and make a nuke-heavy squad

complete with debuffers

[vivid rain]

Idk there are some low end reedic s2 strat on bilibili

But yeah speedkill boss or die

[jovial nest]

more like

prio nuking the shields

they move too early

[spice quest]

Has anyone beaten S-3 without using Mylnar/Typhoon/Nightingale ?

[jovial nest]

you cna easily do it without Typhon

without NG or Mly....

no clue

[junior jewel]

eyja alter + qiu bai

[vivid rain]

There’s a mlynarless S-3 run iirc

[brave sun]

dont need ng

[spice quest]

I use Jessica's shield instead of Mylnar

[spice quest]

That's what I'm doing rn xD

[brave sun]

all 3 of them can cut i am fairly sure

[ivory nimbus]

This is the best I've got.

[spice quest]

Then I'm just getting skill issued smh

[noble pewter]

no e2 defenders at all?

[ivory nimbus]

Zero, nada.

[noble pewter]

what other e2 units u may have?

hmm have u tried using any buffs?

[ivory nimbus]

The other E2 are Pinecone and Estelle, whose I thought aren't too useful in this scenario, while Warf and Shamare are not raised.

[noble pewter]

u mean u have an e2 warf n shamare, just not raised as in no mastery?

[ivory nimbus]

Nope, completely untouched and no level.

[noble pewter]

any other e1 unit? like even 3 stars etc?

[brave sun]

what part are you having trouble?

[junior jewel]

This one should be good for you? you got ceobe since

wait he borrowed a E2 shield

[noble pewter]

🤩 wow, do u have any for s3 also?

maybe he can borrow an e2 shield as well?

[junior jewel]

that is S3

[junior jewel]

you can't borrow reed + shield though

[noble pewter]

wtf, s3 clear using only these 8 operator and +1 shield defender?

[junior jewel]

sry a3

S3 is 6 6* minimum

[ivory nimbus]

https://krooster.com/u/Adrelius

[brave sun]

modify this guide

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11j411t7y8/

use a pusher for top lane

cut thorns

[junior jewel]

actually, since you got lapp, try this one, assuming you can find a way to replace those E1

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1MH4y1f72B/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=99ebe5015105ee528598b3c1b7fa294d

[junior jewel]

I don't think he can replace that 2 E2 shield though,

[brave sun]

can add more healers he has double meta dps

but your video looks easier to copy ngl

[polar ingot]

some s-3 guide for event?

[junior jewel]

depends what do you have, usually all of them (6 op clear) have Eyja/Nightgale + ceobe + mlynar + suzu

[polar ingot]

have only eyja/mlynar

[glass monolith]

Do T-5 and move on with your life, whatever amount of LMD it gives not worth it

[polar ingot]

is it so horrible?

[junior jewel]

well, you can find ones that does not need mlynar / ceobe , but I think everyone is using suzu

[junior jewel]

6 op clear = ash ring (the eazier one) CC 's max risk

[brave sun]

suzu can be cut if u have saria mosti, but you have neither

[sullen rover]

its bad if ur roster is underdeveloped

[glass monolith]

Don't feed me "6 op clear" propagandas as most of those clears are mod 3 e2 90 p6 characters and some frame perfect madness

[polar ingot]

i guess i try it a bit but think i pass than ... for the medals i just need to clear the easy mode?

[ivory nimbus]

My brain can't follow the stupefying level of timing this guide need.

Imma just put it to a later date and play some IS.

[glass monolith]

A-3 no buffs to get "Unlock S" medal
All T for All T medal

[polar ingot]

thanks god

[spark sinew]

You won't believe what i say next!

(do you have ines or horn)

[ivory leaf]

I have horn

:DD

[void terrace]

Hmm what stages unlock integrated strategies and intermezzi?

[spark sinew]

oof

[void terrace]

It's 3-8 right

I can't rmeember

Friend just started playing

[ivory leaf]

Erm did I do something wrong?

[void terrace]

Anyone got a good starter guide. I kinda suck as a teacher

[glass monolith]

Uh... Good question because you ask stuff of NOBODY KNOWS BECAUSE EVERYONE HAD THAT CONDITION MET territory

[void terrace]

IKR

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yes

[spark sinew]

nothing at all
we currently do have a banner with 3 ops though, and two of them are stainless and ines

[void terrace]

Fk it dosent say ingame

[glass monolith]

1. Nice
2. Fucking how

[deft badger]

even less ops then what i have used

[ivory leaf]

I don't wanna spend:(

[ivory leaf]

Me here still struggling on B-1

[spark sinew]

handhold me, sensei

[glass monolith]

Suffering on events as new players is common

[void terrace]

Ikr

[deft badger]

kinder the same like my clear he has just much less movement then what i do, i have way to much ops with me xD

[void terrace]

I wanna try 7 op clear

[glass monolith]

And this is endgame players oriented tier of god damn event

[void terrace]

Gonna Ines plus the sciel qiubai 6 op

It's actually easier than the strat I used☠️

[glass monolith]

I like high cooking stat of QB

[void terrace]

Problem is my eyja S1 is 7

[ivory leaf]

I'm a hard hat soooo yeah can't give up

[void terrace]

And my nightingale is goddam at level 7 too

She's pot 6

But no masteries ☠️

Not her and shining spooking me every banner nonstop

[glass monolith]

I just gave up and brought in knowing full well my Nightingale will die at some point against my will

[void terrace]

LMAO

I mean mine didn't die

But I used eyja

[glass monolith]

My experience with Nightingale is "No wonder you have Shining baby sit you, you god damn die first"

[void terrace]

The strat where you let the boss box nightingale, then undeplpy her, break box and redeploy with no cooldown

Let's you chain nightingale s3

Basically abusing the coffin mechanic let's you reset ops cooldowns

It's super op

You can reset surtr too

[glass monolith]

Me without masteries so i can't activate shit on deployment:

[void terrace]

I mean she survives long enough, caus you do it when you down the boss

[deft badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK_LBBb6dHU&ab_channel=馭日

[void terrace]

So he's still charging

[ivory leaf]

Could anyone explain which skill I should use on Jaye?

[glass monolith]

Ines overhyped. All praise our lord and savior female Thorns QuBic

Oh god S2 Reed against ground boss, it is durty

[spark sinew]

it's s2

silence still sucks

and no sustain still sucks

[ivory leaf]

Okeh

[deft badger]

at least i finished s3, i am gone for a couple of days again, good that i don't have to do it on my phone... but i will have to deal with trauma maps -.-

[void terrace]

Spam defenders stallers and mylnar

All you need is 4 minutes of chainsaw slows and pushes

[spark sinew]

people use defenders on s3?

[void terrace]

The trauma stages

[spark sinew]

ah

[void terrace]

I like the survival stages

Adds a bit of freshness

[deft badger]

will join discord when they open them anyway, its a thing with doing it on my phone i am not capable of playing properly... not even capable on pc now imagine on phone 🫡

[spark sinew]

croissant lisk solo stall T-2 just need sustain source

[celest bluff]

You leave him on E0 to use his base skill

[ivory leaf]

Yeah that's too late

Already E2 him🕴️

[celest bluff]

Fuck
Same

Relatable

[ivory leaf]

I don't care much since I can E1 ops

:>>

(my money Increased by 10k)

(Jaye was the reason lol)

[rich rune]

Guys, I just realized U-Official can be a nuker in IS3.
First you need the relic that deals arts damage for every second an enemy is stunned, frozen, or bound. And U's talent makes her stun enemies around her for 7.5 seconds. That's 4900 arts damage.

[modern plover]

Every 200 secs lol

[glass monolith]

Only issue things i want to die have a little more HP

And she block me from playing MoM squad

[noble pewter]

borrow me ur typhon s2, im gonna try cook sth with the units u have

[scarlet mortar]

you could've just said she stuns TLK and lets gopnik walk past him

[junior jewel]

you mean ?

[glass monolith]

It is as beatiful as day i seen it last time.... in IS2....

[scarlet mortar]

like i'm usually on pretty good grade copium but gimme some of that

[modern plover]

Smart move i havent thought of this

[rich rune]

Yes

[scarlet mortar]

you don't have to get that far for the important rewards who do you have though

hmmm might wanna nab suzu? then go for an arts core + mlynar setup

[livid delta]

Grab Suzuran and replace Ceobe with GG s1 / Reed s2 and bring Texalter s2 lol

[torn ice]

what defender to use for A3

if i dont have hoshi

[noble pewter]

maybe someone with phy resist, or put more healer or make sure enemy die fast

[deft badger]

u have reed ifrit eyja saria mlynar suzu u can borrow..

surtr as well, eyja2, ng u are more then fine

[faint compass]

I used max gladiia (module is needed) and max specter (non alter)

And a butload of healing

[brazen parrot]

Why does dos s-3 suck so much

What are good vanguards for dos stage s levels, besides Ines?

[dark glade]

everything (they just there to generate dp)
or nothing (they dont do anything beside generating dp)

[brazen parrot]

[void terrace]

Flag pipe it

Muelyses can provide some bind but eats too many positons

[little orchid]

it's quite ironic that bag would make a good dps addition to s-3 team... if only the bloody thing had room for physical burst

[deft badger]

btw how does that stupid samurai dude work, why does he 2hit mlynar but can't kill ines

[scarlet mortar]

the avenger?

what samurai dude

[faint compass]

Under 50% hp they go super sayian

[noble hollow]

They hit like the slipper

[rich rune]

Maybe Cuora with a def buffer would work.

[spark sinew]

bag works fine if you have a room for her

so you either have way too many good ops or way too few

that said saria-mlynar opening doesn't really need dp anyway

even if you have the pieces for like 8 op clear, it's better to put some NG for the casters/boss or like an extra surtr for burst or mosti for stall

[torn ice]

ill try that ty

[vocal leaf]

https://youtu.be/hiw0eBzCLJA this took a lot of tries again, boss keep making everyone explode on third phase, i found out that shamare doll is what actually saved me in my first clear, well that and all the healing from saria suzu reed and eyja

but even then there's chance that amiya dies and everyone explode after, i dont like the end is kind of messy because this was the second time i got to that part, but well is a decent clear i guess

[deft badger]

thought so, mlynar and eyja.. wasnt sure how u did finish him ty anyway now i get it

[spark sinew]

oh no, schwarz

[vocal leaf]

[spark sinew]

what

[cosmic current]

So how in the world am i supposed to strategise around mudrock

[scarlet mortar]

leak her

you do have enough ops to do an angy surtr combo actually

if you want the easiest way out

else it's uhhh mag + all your arts

use myrtle S1

[cosmic current]

I did it with the joint tactics buff at least

are we supposed to use that? or is that just the easy way out for weenies

[spark sinew]

the latter

it's basically useless in training grounds

[heady sphinx]

unfortunately, I can't replicate your team since most of them are e2, but some advice I can give is to use s1 myrtle, s1 amiya, and replace mag with a splash caster. lava should work. You want to beat all the golems and big bob, and then leak mudrock

[cosmic current]

what's leaking

[spark sinew]

let it come to the blue box

[cosmic current]

oh

[heady sphinx]

Layout is something like this.
Myrtle first, get DP
Hoshi 2nd
Amiya 3rd
Lava 4th
Pass 5th
play it by ear here. if golem is in the stall zone, throw fast redeploy to give casters time to beat it down

mudrock only takes 2 lives, you should be able to beat everything else and just let her pass.

I believe this will work, but I can't test this myself since I don't have the operators you have at those levels

[scarlet mortar]

blocking's pretty w/e since nobody there's really levelled

just throw arts at the problem until it dies

[spark sinew]

why is ptil facing left and not bot though

[spark sinew]

you want to stack "risks" eventually, and "joint tactics bufff" makes it 0

idr how much is rank 3 though, and idt i can look it up in my game

[glass monolith]

Rank 3 is do risk 4

But pool of risks is super thin, like 3 risk 1 to choose and 2 risk 2

[spark sinew]

rubble one is free risk at least

[heady sphinx]

eh, mistype

[spark sinew]

still need one though

[heady sphinx]

welp, next step would be borrowing a unit

but even then, I don't see what unit would help out since they don't have any e2 ops

[spark sinew]

yeah, i'm trying very hard to not tell them to not level office and to raise base workers

[heady sphinx]

maybe coebe S2 might work

but 25% def as arts at e1 might not be enough

[spark sinew]

yeah probably won't do much

i was thinking some stall
mind went to like manticore or carne

[cosmic current]

I keep getting to the last bit but bob still lives with like 15% health

[spark sinew]

but tbh maybe kal s2 can just tank

[cosmic current]

oh yeah mudrock too but whatever with her

[heady sphinx]

did you use tex alter for damage against the golem instead of using her for stalling?

like but gravel in stall, then put tex to the right of her

[cosmic current]

I used gravel to stall and then tex alter behind

[heady sphinx]

noted

what other casters do you have?

[cosmic current]

also I don't have the stuffs to level lava so I used magalan

with her s1 for the stuns

I have rockrock if that's anything

[heady sphinx]

what level?

[cosmic current]

32

[heady sphinx]

e1?

[cosmic current]

nah

[heady sphinx]

don't think thats going to work

[cosmic current]

oh well

[heady sphinx]

do you have any supports built?

[cosmic current]

don't think so

the squad I got is really all I have levelled

do you think texalter s1 could work instead or nah

[heady sphinx]

no. S2 deals pure arts damage, S1 deals physical + a flat amount of arts dps

[cyan gorge]

I hate A3

[tame wraith]

any replacement for reed?

[vocal leaf]

reed is really hard to replace, she debuffs atk and heals while doing damage, that’s crucial during 3rd phase, i saw another clear that use gg in her place but it has surtr instead of amiya

if you don’t need the damage the best would be ng

[vocal leaf]

https://youtu.be/RA6933yrphQ this is one of videos i used for reference, it gave me the idea of replacing amiya for surtr, his other healer was ptilo and used gg s2

[polar steppe]

why does it say further? does the fissure already cause art fragility and by how much?

[nocturne swallow]

20%

[polar steppe]

why doesnt it tell me this.

[nocturne swallow]

dunno

[meager merlin]

can anyone here remember how much OP it is to buy all the R6 operator outfits? both events

[peak cloak]

i remember Ash, Doc, Ela ,Iana, Tachanka have skins so 18x5 = 90 ops required

[tidal sedge]

Wtf was H11-1

[lethal dragon]

Can't remember

[foggy grove]

chain caster stuff?

er necro caster

[glass monolith]

It is easy, just hold effectively 4 lanes 2 of which are fuckton of chain casters

Honestly now when it is mentioned, it is VERY similar layout with DoS S stage, except blue boxes in middle instead ladders

[deft badger]

h11 is that SK?

dont even remember how they look like

[tidal sedge]

Game actually got me to do Gavialter s2 + Liberator burst rotation

[cosmic thicket]

H11-1 is kinda cringe enemy spam

it's effectively 3 lanes since bottom lane has 0 pressure assuming u intercept middle 2

[tidal sedge]

At least the wither tanks weren't red ones

[deft badger]

its a thorns exu map

[turbid badge]

[deft badger]

exu s3 has the perfect timing for top, thorns claps mid with a bit of help

[deft badger]

go and try it, it is so... 😂

[tidal sedge]

I used Exu ye

[deft badger]

h11-2 do something something, h11-3 same exu top bot doesn't really matter but tank and ifrit if u want, h11-4 bring stainless and just let SK punch something while u are killing him

[cosmic thicket]

h11-2 activate mlynar skill

[deft badger]

i would like to know what was in that guys mind (dev) when he made mlynar

[jovial nest]

i'd sooner consider the one who designed Surtr

at least Mlynar ain't an immediate drop carefree nuking

you have to build him up and he does nothing when skill not activated

maybe outside of being a taunt

Surtr is a much more careless design with her low cost nuke that increases her HP to insanity and immortality perks

hmmm actually, I think the most broken operator imo is Tex2

[lethal dragon]

What

[jovial nest]

a broken ops is not just about how much damage they can do

it's about overall usefulness in most content

and how strongly they impact it

for me, that's Texas Alter

[celest bluff]

Clearly it is that 2 executor

[jovial nest]

Ya2 for me ain't on the same level as Tex2

they're both strong DPS

but Tex2 has a lot more utility going for her S2 and S3

[heady sphinx]

You are entiled to your opinion, and I'm not saying you are wrong, just that I find yato alter more useful then Texalt in different cases. Yato s2's deals 16 hits, during which she won't be interupted by crowd control, that deals true AOE. S3 is guaranteed damage, since she has I-frames and immune to crowd control during the skill which also has true AOE. Slight stun for tex2 s3 is nice, and s2 is good damage, but i've found yato more useful then tex in most stages

again, not trying to say you are wrong, but i just wanted to clarify what Yato brings to the table

[jovial nest]

yeah i just like Tex2's alternate utilities outside the damage

S3 has the stuns

S2 has the RES shred

While Ya2's selling point is her being able to dish out damage without being interrupted

whether immune to CC in S2

or true invulnerability (no block though) in S3 windup

[trail crag]

Any idea how you can hold the right lane/kill the boss in IS4 easier? i lost again badly in Braving Nature difficulty.. La Pluma E2 level 80 couldn't hold the right flank with Eyja and a good number got through the left side too
Could only bring 7 operators so i was quite limited 🤔

[deft badger]

like it or not texas is better

fact yato is usless on higher floors in d15

texas shreds res or ccs

yato is just brain afk dmg, if they have to much stats she doing nothing

[heady sphinx]

I said what I said, not trying to argue when all I wanted was to highlight the strong points of yato.

[heady sphinx]

most of the time, I just use fast redeploys, and hold them off with a med/defender right side

[sullen rover]

typhon does it well
those guys has low def so someone like an AA should just dunks on them

[deft badger]

i know people use typhon facing right, meanwhile my camp is always right and exec is doing left side on his own with help of typhon

[vocal leaf]

is this d0? for d12 runs i did saria + reedalter for right and similar thing to left, a blocker and same ranged damage, i usually recruit two tanks because of this stage and few other stages in f5

[deft badger]

btw dont skip fights u have only 7 ops for some reason

thats what i normaly have after f2 like 90% of the time

[trail crag]

I couldnt get a fast redeploy once and the only defender i had was Cardigan..
I either had to go for 3 star units since i had no hope, or i didnt get the correct vouchers ^^

[deft badger]

which dif is that?

0?

[trail crag]

this one.. didnt clear IS4 once so far

[deft badger]

if u want start with exec he can do left solo and bring typhon for right side focus the rest on boss

[trail crag]

I did cleared it once.. but it was with the Monthly squad thing so it didnt count 😩

[heady sphinx]

I wouldn't focus on trying to get answers on discord. IS is a roguelike, just learn from your mistakes, and eventually it will click

[vocal leaf]

is your skill tree already maxed out? first runs can be hard without it

[trail crag]

executor alter? i dont have him and when i select Typhon at the start that already eats all 6 hope you have ^^

[heady sphinx]

its difficult to tell you what you did wrong since every run is different

but one of the safest starts is Reed alter

[deft badger]

is that ur typhon?

[vocal leaf]

reedalt easily does every emergency stage in f1 at e1

[deft badger]

if yes will free to run exec just borrow one, its easy he solos most of the maps even on high dif

[trail crag]

Thing is i hate IS things.. i already had trouble in IS2 and IS3, now in IS4 too..
IS2 im only at level 52 (mostly thanks to a friend who played some rounds) and in IS3 i somehow got to level 48
In IS2 i actually never managed to once beat a single round and in IS3 i only managed to do it 2 or 3 times (not once with a alternative ending).. i actually lose 10/10 or 9/10 games in IS2 and IS3

[deft badger]

f1-2-3 easy, just fliers are a problem for him ofc

[deft badger]

can u screen ur ops?

[heady sphinx]

its not really new player friendly, it becomes much more enjoyable when you have a good amount of built units || built meaning max E1, and a few E2||

you can power through it, but it is taxing for most people to grind through it

[deft badger]

bruh pls sit with the woke stuff...

not new player friendly...

[trail crag]

thats everyone i have on E2..
Almost everyone has M1 to M3 masterys on their most used skills

[trail crag]

I play since May 2022... 🤣

[vocal leaf]

[heady sphinx]

welp, you are definately equiped for IS

[vocal leaf]

e2 your reedalt she’s mvp in is4

[heady sphinx]

I'm assuming your main problem is all your built operators are too expensive

[deft badger]

u can do which ever u want is2 thorns surtr texas, is3 texas, is4 try exec but mlynar reed ines typhon texas suzu slows good a tank in higher dif

[trail crag]

But somehow i rarely to never can finish a round in any IS round.. i even have times where i lose badly around the 2nd or 3rd area in a run before i even reach the first boss, sometimes i lose to the first boss or like in that case when i reach the main boss ^^

[deft badger]

just start exec, pick mlynar ines typhon in the first floors and enjoy if u run is4

it takes time to see all the maps

[trail crag]

I even have some of the 3 stars at max level after it got recommended to me that i use quite often due to lack of Hope

[deft badger]

u have more ops then i do and i made it to d15 so u will too

[trail crag]

Hmm first and second floors are usually the areas where im lowest on Hope.. when im unlucky i have to wait until the 3rd or 4th floor before i can upgrade 6 star operators or can get new ones 🤔

[vocal leaf]

try watching is4 clears, there you can get some ideas of what and how to play it

[heady sphinx]

3 stars are more temporary for the early stages. in IS4, you typically get reed alter, then just fill the rest.

[vocal leaf]

silvergun does runs in d15 with 4stars only for example

[deft badger]

https://youtu.be/tYzmS9oqDnA?si=1kN3S58HcP6KI8Do

[trail crag]

Well as you saw in the screenshot earlier, i had to use Cardigan in the last bossfight since i didnt had any other defenders 😅

[heady sphinx]

or you can start out with some of your 4 stars, like shirayuki early on

do you avoid fights?

[deft badger]

thats with exec floor 1 and there is somewhere floor 2 on my youtube just watch it jump from fights to fights btw thats with class squad just use s2 on the start and u can run that free e2 card

[trail crag]

I avoid the fights who are risky if possible and my operators arent strong enough.. sometimes i go somewhere else if i can get a artifact or so

[vocal leaf]

penance can do this as well
i did forti squad start for d15 runs

[deft badger]

there aint many maps that are hard and if they are on f5

i know a lot ops can i just got used to exec

[heady sphinx]

fighting and getting exp + recruitments are more important at times

[deft badger]

and he does well on ed1 solo left side so yeah... i like it

[vocal leaf]

i also did exalt start, for me him penance reed and eyja are great starts for each class squad

[trail crag]

how can you select on a 6 star operator the 3rd skill if he isnt E2?
I can only select the first and second skill 🤔

[deft badger]

its class squad i run assault

but in low dif it doesnt really matter pick the one where u dont use hope for e2

[heady sphinx]

He got lucky with the random E2 on recruitment

[deft badger]

u think so i am rerolling

till it upgrades what i need

[trail crag]

if its one of these... ^^

[deft badger]

btw skill activation is the same even with e1 on s2

[heady sphinx]

Try using your E1 reed. even if you can't E2 her, she will be pretty useful to you with S2

[deft badger]

they will unlock run it couple of times

but u dont need the class squad till d7 i think till u have to spend 7 hope for a six star

u easy run with the free e2 upgrade

[trail crag]

well i can try it.. thx for the suggestions etc

[vocal leaf]

max lvl your popukar btw, she’s the other starter with reed, aoe damage is important in is4

[heady sphinx]

hell, you don't even need reed at the start, lava is good enough for AOE early on so you can get other 6 stars

[jovial nest]

if it's D0 you can survive with 3* only for a while

unless it's Prisoners

that one's rough without 6*

[deft badger]

special training squad and that unlocks early... go for dmg nodes in the skill tree and def

[jovial nest]

even with Popukar and Lava

that specific map's rough

[heady sphinx]

I'd avoid emergency prisoners if you don't have good AOE damage

[vocal leaf]

no badges on each squad

[deft badger]

i stopped using it later on after +1hope

i use only assault since then

[timid schooner]

lol

that last 30 secs gib me heart attack

[vocal leaf]

i did d12 runs with all, just waiting the expansion for rainbow badge update

[deft badger]

bruh hahaaha i didnt even run that many times lol

[vocal leaf]

this is why i can tell exe penance reed and eyja are great starters

[deft badger]

in total, i did couple runs did have a streak from 0 to 15

did after that couple times d15 ending 2 as well for medal thats it

just waiting for the lvl extansion and plus 2 monthlies so that i can finish medals

[vocal leaf]

i see, not going for d15 for each ending? it’s easier in is4, i had to do it after failing miserably in my attempts for is3

[deft badger]

aint that much in to IS if u ask me how u grind in 3days is from 0 to 150+ i can tell u what runs the best and is 90%+ efficent but rest i dont have a clue

didnt even do any other ending on is2 and 3

but is4 is fun

less rng which i love, is3 is just trash

going up the wall everytime i have to roll that stupid dice

[vocal leaf]

yeah is3 d15 was really frustrating for me, there’s not only rng on trying to get the relics for ed4 you also had your instant restart aka metastatic aberration

[void terrace]

Is shamare module worth?

[deft badger]

i gave up on d10

is3

[void terrace]

Somehow Dorothy carried me on d15

Her binds somehow stalled everything long enough for my ops to work

[deft badger]

i cant stand is3, dont u leak even one time or u lose light, roll dice chances are high one of ur ops will be usless till the end... gj i hate it

[vocal leaf]

i only did ed1 in is3 d15

[deft badger]

did ed1 on d10 got stuck there and never came back, my rooster was limited at that time, probably now i wouldn't care much

[void terrace]

Saem

[vocal leaf]

good enough for the trimmed medal

another issue i had with is3 is how much res enemies get when i mostly play with arts dps

meanwhile d12 in is4 be like

[deft badger]

will watch it tomorrow i am on a bus right now limited internet outside my country ...

but i saw couple videos on youtube is that ending 3?

there is a fat drone spawning

but that last ending of is4 is cool with that two bosses

[vocal leaf]

yes its ending 3

[vocal leaf]

that’s the alter version and it comes after the expansion, that’s why some people like me preferred to do all endings with every squad now, so don’t you have to worry about alter endings in the future

[deft badger]

hahaha, w8 do u have to do the ending with each card like 1-2-3 to get too4

with that specific card now i mean do i have to run them in order, in case i have done with a other card en3 lets say with assault squad and i pick now a other one does that mean i have to do all the ending with it to be able to run like en4

[ivory leaf]

Is Pramanix good In E1?

[deft badger]

im general she isn't good

[ivory leaf]

Okeh

[deft badger]

if u wanna shred def u bring shamare, if u wanna shred res texas2 eyja ifrit

[vocal leaf]

oh no, ofc you can clear the ending 1 once to unlock the others and play them with any squad

[crisp bolt]

Having to be within range

[vocal leaf]

getting endings with every squad is just for the badge, like collecting medals

[deft badger]

she does ok amounts of shred but i wasnt actually sure why people just dont use her thought about range ty for saying now i feel less stupid hahaha

[deft badger]

well no way i am going to do that lol

to lazy for it

[crisp bolt]

Yeah her skills aren't bad but she's limited where shamare can reduce 50% atk and do it basically anywhere

Though I think she also has high sp cost? I forget

[deft badger]

i think its in the range of 30 not sure

[crisp bolt]

Still would be worse cycling that shamare s2

[deft badger]

ok 40 initial 16on sl7

[crisp bolt]

That's pretty unfortunate

[deft badger]

she sucks anyway doesnt even matter

[crisp bolt]

Yeah but I had been tempted to raise her before

[deft badger]

same people told me don't, that was probably the first and only time i did listen

[marble vigil]

is there a point in doing all of formulative battlerealm in DOS?, i feel like s3 is driving me insane

[crisp bolt]

S3 is pain so I refuse to do it

[marble vigil]

I feel like this event is up there with pinch out in terms of difficulty

[void terrace]

Pinch out you could leak the gundams

But like the boss in s 3 is just ridiculous

[sullen rover]

if you dont have the pieces just dont do it

the easiest way is to eyja2 mostima ceobe saria mly ines reedic suzu

[void terrace]

Anyone even have low star clears of it?

[sullen rover]

if you dont have these guys and dont like malding just dont do it

[void terrace]

You can do with with qiubai some what as well since suzu is already built in on the team

[trail crag]

Well guess i take a break again from IS4.. tried it with executor alter but lost again even though i had my texas alter at E2 (sadly never enough hope to get Typhon when i get a sniper voucher or so) 😅

[noble pewter]

Here is how I did it but I used buff n only s1 in case it is helpful

[smoky halo]

theres a 4 star only clear of s-1

do you want it

its not buffless tho

[void terrace]

5 star clears?

[smoky halo]

havent seen any

i can check tho uh

[void terrace]

Hmm I'm just trying to see if s 3 is really just 6 star locked

The problem is all the good slowers are 6 stars

And ceobe too

[smoky halo]

well no one has uploaded a 5star only clear to arkrec

for s-3

so i assume it hasnt been done yet

idk abt s-1 and s-2

maybe its possible

[smoky halo]

i mean have u seen the stats on the mobs mlynar needs suzu to kill them in time

[void terrace]

Yeah straight up

Suzu saria and mostima make the stage bearable

By abusing the boss mechanics to nullify redeployment time

You can cheat out a loooooot more skills

[smoky halo]

yeah

i think thats intended

since well +100% redep time

[void terrace]

Damn there's a 5 op

Clear out

Kaltist true DMG cheese

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1RN4y1Z768

Wait wrong one

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1rw411a7Pj

[deft badger]

do u use tranfers? i mean u saw the video i am jumping in to other lanes to do as much as possible fights... btw its early because of skill tree as well u geij more xp from fight later on in the skill tree just go in amd read which point give what

[smoky halo]

the 5op used buff afaik

[trail crag]

Tried a few more Fights, even some of the dangerous ones. Still was not enough Hope even though executor alter helped to hold the line most of the Times.

[deft badger]

ur main prio is actually getting ines mlymar then typhon

just kroos is doing fine eqrly till later floors

and when u like really need typhon its on the last stage

till then its just not really something mlynar cant fix

[trail crag]

I got Ines e2 and texas alter e2 but i either didnt get the Voucher i needed or had no hope 😅

[deft badger]

yeah that normal early because of skill tree

i did couple runs on d0 then jumped to d15 when i did have like 50% of the skill tree

takes time to see all the maps and find the best placements for ur ops once u have that its going to be easy

[trail crag]

I have as of now only unlocked 3 Parts if the skill tree 😅

[void terrace]

Skill tree makes a biiig diff

[deft badger]

yeah they kinda bully u early without that skills

[trail crag]

Yeah thats why i gave up on Is2 and is 3 too.. i got mostly levels from monthly squad but that only works once ^^

[deft badger]

it still takes u 30 to 50 hours to finish is2 or 3

once u get some of the skills u are just zooming

[dark glade]

what tha fak

what is 'finish'

all reward?

[deft badger]

yes

i mean with the content is4 offers right now it doesn't take even 10 to get from 0 to 50 and finish skilltree

is3 took me 3days

is2 took first 50lvls a lot thrn i came back and did the rest in 2 or 3 once i did have a bigger rooster, running is2 and 3 under 30min was just spamming

is4 is kinda harder my runs take 40 to 50min

and that on d15

and count in that if i have that +50 aspd thing i skip f5 most of the time if i have typhon mlynar exec eyja2 hoshi e2

use what u can skip fights go for the end

[trail crag]

I think if i make it to the last boss in all the is modes it takes me 1 to 1 hour 20 minutes or even more 😅

[vital arrow]

Its supposed to take your time

It costs 0 sanity and youre expected to fail

[dark glade]

and its not supposed to be speedrunned to get all reward

[vital arrow]

Youre not supposed to do it in 3 days and clear all the rewards

[dark glade]

just do it when you have free time or afk in the background

[vital arrow]

Its permanent and seasonal for a reason

[deft badger]

the reason i did have in the first month of playing couple e2 six stars was because i cleared is2

so yeah mats are what i love if i don't get some then there is no need for me to do it

and its was around 7 or 8 six stars in the first month on e2

[trail crag]

I just got frustrated with is2 back when it was first available in 2022 early 2023. Always lost in the first 2 or 3 floors and i even had runs where i lost on the first floor within the first 10 or 15 minutes 😅

[deft badger]

btw i was lucky with big events and that i did have thorns surtr gnosis mud eyja right from the first week which kinda destroy is2

[noble pewter]

Wait is it monst3r is not affected by lava tile n can be healed by suzu n not affected by redeploy time?

[vital arrow]

If you stopped playing after failing a couple runs then dont expect to get easier, youre rewarded for constantly playing it

You get buffs from skill tree and you get better nodes

[deft badger]

is2 is just ez with thorns dude claps like all of it, bring surtr and texas for phantom thats it

[vital arrow]

IS4 even rewards you for going higher difficulty

[trail crag]

I even lost with thorns and such character if i managed to e 2 them 🤣

[vital arrow]

A wise man once said

Git gud

[deft badger]

[vital arrow]

To get better at IS you literally just need to fuck around and find out

[deft badger]

IS is important actually, not to have fun, mats and to l2p since u never know what u get in the end

[trail crag]

Well i guess my autism makes something like a Is game Mode unnecessary Hard.. if i get frustrated i lose interest in Things that create these Frustrations unconsiusly 😅

[vital arrow]

Isnt that just normal people things

They dont like something theyre not good at

[smoky halo]

thats just normal

[vital arrow]

The point is to actually do it even if you dont like it if you want to get better

[deft badger]

non of us was good at it when we did it the first time trust me on that

[smoky halo]

if u always lose its understndable that u dont like it

like how i dont like the S stages in dos

[deft badger]

i remember my first is2 runs i did fail like 80% f1

btw that went on for like 30 or 40 trys if not even more

[trail crag]

I have not gone back to is2 for over a year.. only let a friend play some runs with which he made it to Level 52 but he has not found the Time until now to continue 😅

[deft badger]

took me who the hell know how much to e2 that surtr after thorns farming mats from is2 at a point i remeber that i was happy to get like to floor 3 and die getting around 100 points in the process wasting 30min of my life but lvlup is a lvlup

so if u think that ur runs suck trust me u are not even close

[limpid siren]

honestly just don't play the game mode if you don't enjoy it

it really is that simple

[vital arrow]

^

[limpid siren]

the worst way to play a game is to force yourself to play when it isn't fun

[deft badger]

but mats

[limpid siren]

who fucking cares

[deft badger]

IS was allways forcing my self, the hell u think why do i grind it in couple days and never go in again... is2-3 didn't even do ending 2, for some reason is4 was fun btw

[limpid siren]

idc why you play IS

but if you're not having fun, an easy solution to that problem is to not engage with that type of content

[smoky halo]

and then they quit the game

bc they dont have fun anymore

[limpid siren]

i understand some people like the grind to get better

but that mindset really isn't for everyone

and i think it's better to not pretend that it is

[noble pewter]

Is this guy playing like d15 or sth if just normal it should be quite easy right? Maybe just need change perspective where u take failure as chance of improvement n measure ur progress slowly

[deft badger]

u are right, i am usually playing mmorpgs so i don't really mind when it comes to grind if its going to benefit me in the end
ofc i am forcing my self but i am fine with that

[noble pewter]

If sth is easy n u always win mean u not learning anything new focus on the journey not destination

[limpid siren]

no

[vital arrow]

Fun is different for each person

Some people like to have challenges to have fun

Some just wants to unwind

[lapis hornet]

i don't play is either

[vital arrow]

If youre gritting your teeth everytime you play something I'd imagine it wouldnt be fun

[limpid siren]

like ch12

shit chapter

aggressively unfun

[vital arrow]

Dp stealing crossbow shits

[lapis hornet]

like I'm a new player i don't have the units to do is very unfun

[limpid siren]

maybe you're just bad, cake

[noble pewter]

But if u want to go thru it n get the mats then maybe is better to change ur cognition about it right change the inner mental game?

[limpid siren]

can you maybe read what the person wrote

[lapis hornet]

I'm a bad new player

[vital arrow]

If they want to get better they'll ask on how to get better here

They havent said anything about wanting to get better

[deft badger]

h12-4? last stage 6 hours on it
dos s3 did top that now 10hours on it

[lapis hornet]

the elitism about is is kinda funny ngl lol

[smoky halo]

why try to force the guy to play IS when he clearly doesnt enjoy it

[deft badger]

non forcing him, he asked whats the best to use

[noble pewter]

Nobody can force anyone to do anything anyways, I was just sharing my own perspective how I viewed losing my own IS runs as learning n getting better

[lapis hornet]

tbh you don't rly get better

you just learn the maps

[limpid siren]

that is getting better

[noble pewter]

Yea that's a part of getting better right positioning, knowing what to prepare for etc

[deft badger]

and to be clear non of the IS are fun on start... when u struggle to kill even the smallest crriters

[lapis hornet]

but unlike normal maps you have to go through the whole thing again

very tedious tbh

also difficulty is front loaded kinda

better relics makes it a lot easier

[vital arrow]

Welcome to roguelike

Its hard at the start because youre not used to the early maps

[deft badger]

u still learn to use ur ops kinda better to a point

[lapis hornet]

i rarely struggle early lol

[vital arrow]

Mounts and seas my beloved

[smoky halo]

thats just... how a rougelike works

[lapis hornet]

not always

[smoky halo]

is it not?

[foggy grove]

is 4 start is rougher yeah

[deft badger]

d15 feels like a walk in the park compared to d0 with 0skill tree

[foggy grove]

i went and finished is 3 ed1 blind first run
i got clobbered on first few floor of is 4

[lapis hornet]

also IS is kinda its own thing it doesn't rly translate to other ak modes tbh and vice versa

[foggy grove]

[vital arrow]

Is4 start is rough because you get to beasts awaiting slaughter

Then they all run to blue box and youre like

Wait thats illegal

[deft badger]

that map was actually easy

did just tag them the moment i need them to run

floor one was ok but f2 wasn't at all

btw what do people who start reed do on emergency beasts awating slaughter when there are 4 of them top and 4 bot?

can they clear just with the starting 3 ops without leak?

[turbid badge]

Is 2 start

[jovial nest]

#cn-lounge has recent CN event nyus

visit there if you want

[foggy grove]

oh an op i don't care enough but good for everyone else i guess

[turbid badge]

Same

[sly drift]

Vigil and Hoolheyak new module is coming. I can see them become mlynar tier

[noble pewter]

Why? Is ascalon not good? She is strong in lore right?

[sly drift]

In lore? Yea

Veteran warlord.

[turbid badge]

Me too

[turbid badge]

Sweep

[sly drift]

There's little to no info about Ascalon and ppl alr assume her kit is not good?

[noble pewter]

For real ?

[foggy grove]

who is saying she is not good?

[dark glade]

i am so ready to get stainless again

[foggy grove]

i'm just not interested in her char

[dark glade]

or maybe i just wait another year for the next tftw banner

[foggy grove]

zilch idea about her kit yet

oh the new 5* is new branch of guard?

[dark glade]

huh we can get new brach of guard and not lord module?

[vital arrow]

Yeah its a hammer branch

[halcyon adder]

This banner keeps getting worse with every iteration

[dark glade]

if the next batch is ascalon hoed ines its fine ig

[sullen rover]

ascalon will save the banner

[dark glade]

IF ascalon is even good

[sullen rover]

she luks hot

[dark glade]

IF they even make anotehr tftw banner

[foggy grove]

uh ascalon is side story right?

[sullen rover]

eos before tftw4

never read a single thing in story except for the skip button

[foggy grove]

so prolly not on tftw

[sullen rover]

whos next then

[halcyon adder]

Ascalon is an ambusher,how will they make ambusher broken

[sullen rover]

logos?

[foggy grove]

archetype means nothing if they tried

[sullen rover]

they made a hunter and musha broken

wait ambusher is 0 block rite
mlynar powercreep

[halcyon adder]

[foggy grove]

you can give them block for meme

[sullen rover]

+3 block on skill

and AND increase taunt level

2.0 mlynar

[foggy grove]

they are not hard coded to 0 block like liberator

[smoky halo]

just give her 1k base atk and 1000% atkscale 🥱

ez broken already

[jovial nest]

It's gonna take an Ela-like miracle to make people consider Ambusher as worthwhile meta picks.

[sullen rover]

nope id draft mizuki

and id draft ascalon too

[limpid siren]

Not a great analogy when Dorothy is pretty strong

[jovial nest]

she is. But not exactly to the levels of Ela (I guess you can consider Dorothy to have a better overall damage potential while Ela is a hybrid debuff+DPS). But yes if we're talking a massive power gap

this is the time

since Mizuki is not a good 6* ambusher rep

[tidal sedge]

New 5* blast caster. Hmm.

Hoping they're better than Corroserum

[limpid siren]

i don't expect them to have good enough damage to mitigate the linear range

so it has to be utility

[tidal sedge]

It was a brief snippet but I think they had some kind of cc

[limpid siren]

corro silence saw some restricted play

[tidal sedge]

Might have been levitate?

[limpid siren]

levitate

[tidal sedge]

It looked like a wave knocked enemies upwards kinda

[limpid siren]

sounds cool

but yea

linear range is actually a massive hurdle

[tidal sedge]

They've been making maps less harsh on it lately, or so it seems to my eyes. But still doesn't feel so great yet.