strategy

[weak gazelle]

instinct eme f5....
yeah avoid that shit map

[deft badger]

i am trying, but most of the time i am blind when i am going in

then it kinda pops up all the time

[drowsy jewel]

if youre blind f5 might as well skip every fight

[tall cairn]

Huh. You can’t even see fights.

[turbid badge]

use ur folderals

[weak gazelle]

already struggle even with normal one (cause no choice but have to fight it)

[drowsy jewel]

thats practically a throw entering a fight and you not knowing what youre fighting on f5

[deft badger]

all the other f5 maps are fine now, laser map was a problem now it isn't anymore since i did figure out how to handle violine dudes

now i only struggle at that Instinct map

[spark sinew]

change your drafts to better deal with it

i can already see your drafts

[turbid badge]

Bad

[deft badger]

hahaha

[spark sinew]

mlynar exec ines force

[somber stone]

Stack shields

[spark sinew]

with like reedic

[somber stone]

Just leak ez

[spark sinew]

every time, regardless of anything

[turbid badge]

who tf is forve

forve

[weak gazelle]

sasuga hauck
as expected of a good sensei

[deft badger]

well i don't know what to bring anymore they just destroy everything i pick

was thinking about building manticor

[limpid siren]

why's that?

[spark sinew]

build ethan instead

[deft badger]

but yeah... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYzmS9oqDnA
that's 90% of the time my draft xD

[spark sinew]

especially if you struggle with only this map

way better with atkspd, just throw sing at it

[turbid badge]

keep it up and green name

[spark sinew]

1 ingot invested

wtf

[deft badger]

u know that i am playing it just because i for some reason have fun at doing

not going to spend hours investing ingots

and i know its benefits but i didn't even bother to do ending 2 on is2 or 3

[agile ember]

Is it worth to bring someone like Suzu to support quibai? or is she fine without? Also what skill for quibai?

[spark sinew]

outside of IS, s3 always

[soft crystal]

Better with

[spark sinew]

regarding the first question, it depends for what you're using qb

i found that usually bringing suzu is whatever (unless your options are very limited and you're only using qb for bossing)

she still overkills elites even without suzu for example

[turbid badge]

is is4 done

in cn

[drowsy jewel]

ya expansion came out some time ago

tho no new news for IS5

[polar crane]

just wait anniversary stream

[obsidian swift]

what's up friends- would anyone be willing to help me clear the annihilation contracts I've been putting off since starting the game? these things beat my ass and I am stoopie

i have roughly- most of them to do

[polar crane]

sure friend name the map and post your squad

[obsidian swift]

Watery Tidehollow to start

I've only just started to actually learn about more than my main cast of characters thanks to IS, but it still hasn't been enough for me to muscle my way through annihilation

[polar crane]

thorn can solo dps top left

bring 2 fast redeploy (frd) for the reaper

[obsidian swift]

Oh wait I did the same screencap twice on that image lmao

for the bottom

[smoky halo]

you didnt e2 bestgirl mizuki

[polar crane]

right side just mountain and eyja alter

borrow her

[obsidian swift]

I keep meaning to but then i get other units I really like 👉 👈

[smoky halo]

wait montain can hold right and not left?

[polar crane]

drop frd on the reaper flower when it spawn and keep them there until they're stunned

that's pretty it

super easy with eyja alt

[obsidian swift]

If I wanted to save an autodeploy cast for autoing, is there an alternative to eyjalter?

[smoky halo]

texas bot left
kal exu top left

[smoky halo]

why would u auto? u can only get first time rewards there since its not the current annihl anymore

[obsidian swift]

I sure didn't know that! lmao

I've been avoiding annihilation for so long

[smoky halo]

it fine, just borrow to make it easier

[obsidian swift]

thank you for the help friends, I will let you know how it goes

[polar crane]

good luck

[obsidian swift]

is there a specific order to deploy the chars or am I just gonna go ham until i need the frd

[polar crane]

just go ham

make sure to bring vanguard

[obsidian swift]

yeee grabbed myrtle and sail

wow i REALLY fucked up not pulling for eyjalter

good lord

[spark sinew]

just the best healer in the game, no biggie

[obsidian swift]

do i do anything about this mf

well i did somethin wrong because he killed eyja and punched through

but i'll take 399/400 as a win

[polar crane]

it a L

you waste 25 sanity

to get the last 400 kill

next time if you leak just force close the game

it full refund your sanity

no point not doing 400kill

put eyja on top of the map

[polar crane]

put her next to exu

safe place

[obsidian swift]

huge tip thank you

<3

mind if I get help with Abandoned Mine while I got yall here?

this icy mf

[polar crane]

it the easiest map

[obsidian swift]

oh seriously? lmao

[polar crane]

two lane holder on top

mountain with sniper bottom

and drop texalt every time they helidrop sniper enemies

you must protect the civilian

1 die = reset

[obsidian swift]

So mountain/exu bottom, thorns/jessalter top?

or should i drop two defenders top

[polar crane]

you need dps top

pull back thorn and jess

wave 350 they spawn ch8 drones on there

put mountain behind exu and you're good

exu can go behind mountain too if you scared she will die

[obsidian swift]

thank you for the help <3

should i break any of the blocker boxes, or leave em?

[polar crane]

break all of it

[tidal sedge]

What in the

Are all of those leakable civilians? (The ch 12 ones)

[sullen rover]

the one who walks away is an enemy

[obsidian swift]

this a decent setup?

[peak cloak]

btw there is a guy from chapter 12 that make civilians cant be blocked

from right side. kill this guy asap

[polar crane]

ye you're good

[scarlet mortar]

not like you need to block any of them

those guys can be killed whenever tbh

[tidal sedge]

Understood

[tidal sedge]

What's that bar like thing

[cyan gorge]

Texas event mechanic

[spark sinew]

plug the left

[cyan gorge]

Basically when bar is maxed, an invisible assassin comes out

[tidal sedge]

Oh yeah it's that

Thankfully no assassin showed up

[viscid mist]

Phase 1 max (790) Caster/Defender ban
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mx421S7Br/
Phase 1 max (790) Guard/Specialist ban 7 op
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Wz421f7JU/
Casters 695
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13A4m1A79K/
Snipers 695
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11D421V7id/
Guards 645
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Um411672w/
Specialist 595
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1VC411L7Xg/
Defender 595
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Nm421n7bR/
Supporter 575
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Fr42187jT/
Vanguard 560
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nC411b7ZL/
Medic
<No clear yet>
5* only 455
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xz421f7wY/
4* only 585
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17q421P72p/
3* only 325
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1LD421j7Km/
6 steps 620
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yK421a73q/

[obsidian swift]

you're a star

[polar crane]

[obsidian swift]

So what's with the current mission in annihilation? Does that just mean the map is available or is there somethin special about it

[polar crane]

that's the new map in rotation, it just mean that you farm there for weekly orundumb

[obsidian swift]

ooooh okay

[turbid badge]

wtf satori chat spam get him!!!!!!!!!

[lethal dragon]

That first clear is ART

It's CINEMA

🧎‍♂️

[lethal dragon]

Atleast he isn't using default emojis

[tidal sedge]

That Degen placement and the ending, insane stuff.

[obsidian swift]

alright next on my list for; please god, help. 3*ing M8-8, JT-8, and H8-1

so that i can start chapter 9 with a pep in my step

I got 2* on each of em but 3 continues to elude me

I'm also just tryin to get my draw currency bank back up lmao

[deep frigate]

What team are you running with

/ what does your box look like

[obsidian swift]

just beat m8-8 but this is my squad at current

[deep frigate]

oh that should be a breeze

you can ifrit s3 and saria s3

and go hyper eyjaja

[obsidian swift]

for both JT-8 and H8-1?

[deep frigate]

well especially for JT8-3

[obsidian swift]

noted, thank youuuuu

[deep frigate]

not sure about jess for that map

kal should be solid

sail s3 too

don't forget talu has a debuff

so you want to make sure your DPS are not debuffed

because that reduces the damage thsoe ops deal to her

you can swap jess to another FRD

and bait out the debuffs to some other part of the map

I feel like myrtle + sail is overkill

[lusty torrent]

should I unlock amiya module?

[deft badger]

amiya module?

ok nvm found it didn't even know she has one

[cyan gorge]

iirc her module is pretty decent

[deft badger]

is it just for caster miya?

[deep frigate]

doesn't it improve her SP gain

[deft badger]

yeah but if its for caster the hell does it help u if u use s3

or do people use s2?

[spark sinew]

no

[deft badger]

no as u use s3?

[cyan gorge]

Not too bad

[prime trellis]

Will silverash shwing shwing do any damage to cliff

[near folio]

Only when the vents are blowing

[cyan gorge]

If in vent, he’ll do half his hp at best

[near folio]

Also what a goofy stage

At least Silence Alter sees some use here

Actually shes probably gonna see a lot of use in the upcoming stages as well

[cyan gorge]

I have 0 complaints about that

[prime trellis]

Will dis work

[near folio]

Actually idk I havent reached there yet

Im rushing the ex stages

Also wtf EX-6 has no heat vents

[prime trellis]

i haven’t done ex-8

and apparently its hard

asf

[near folio]

Is EX-6 gonna spam the snipers or sum shit?

Theres no other way the mobs get energy

[spark sinew]

you use gamiya yes

or s3

[cyan gorge]

Spiders

They give energy on explosion

[cyan gorge]

You have no means of surviving boss

Mlynar will be shredded

[near folio]

Bruh wtf I wasnt expecting all the dudes in the middle to funnel to the right side

Liskarm is actually goated in this event

S2M3

Finally swarmy content with mobs that dont have high res

[prime trellis]

I’d win

[cyan gorge]

He can delete on skill Cuora if you mistime the vent

[prime trellis]

nah i’d win

[cyan gorge]

Then do it

[prime trellis]

pretty easy so far

[spark sinew]

is this s1 eyja
i think he deletes her without a vent ye

[near folio]

I see a guardmiya S2 opportunity at the right side

[prime trellis]

i forgor to bring a third medic

It might be mlynover

[near folio]

Gravel stalling Cliff

[near folio]

You think this can clear EX-8?

Actually shit there is no good Puzzle tile

Maybe I should cheese cliff with Shamare again

But thats too overkill maybe

[glass monolith]

Top left tile next to vent when Skull/Boss not firing at him, afterwards yolo

[prime trellis]

i wanna die

[spark sinew]

didn't activate vents?

i thought you used bp for that

[glass monolith]

I guess he found it hard way that ranged units prioritize top right vent

[near folio]

Ok ill admit this ex-8 actually pretty hard

[near folio]

That happened to me too

It was only cliff left

Thought I could cheese vents with kroos alter

Apparently Penance can solo the left lane

Though not surprising

[prime trellis]

Yipee

[near folio]

Damn wtf S3M3 Jessica Alter with skill up still got oneshotted by Cliff in heat vent

In times like these is when Roberta has to come out

[prime trellis]

never seen anyone unironically use jessica alt before

[bold lance]

Using a defense brick against a defense shred boss tends to not bring positive results, yes.

[cyan gorge]

Or just bring Silence

[turbid badge]

haukcindu u like?

[turbid badge]

mhm

Desperation

[near folio]

Shes fun to use

One of the stall strats of all time

At least the medal is trimmed now

Looks like I have to upgrade from Roberta to Shamare for CM

[cosmic thicket]

u know what would be another stall strat of all time

if liskarm gets sp in vent then funny battery stuff

[gentle finch]

🧐

alright

[spark sinew]

bad module, no good skin, bad masteries

[near folio]

Ok EX-8 CM is actually pretty demonic

[turbid badge]

no this module is good

[spark sinew]

arguably both are whatever, but the first one is worse i'd say

does quercus use s2 ever

[crisp bolt]

she can, it's not a bad skill

it gives SP but people don't like it because it's not 100% uptime

[spark sinew]

when would you use it
10sp vs 40 on s1 to activate

17 seconds seems a bit too low...although 25sp is low

[crisp bolt]

when you don't need much healing

I honestly don't find the skill that useful since I'd rather use the afk healing

[spark sinew]

it would heal more wouldn't it
or you mean because of that uptime?

[crisp bolt]

I actually don't know the healing difference on it

[spark sinew]

the team already has saria and shining for healing, hmm

[crisp bolt]

that's overkill

if you add quercus

[spark sinew]

the pool has 13 ops only

beggars can't be choosers

[crisp bolt]

fair

here's s1 vs s2 hps

[spark sinew]

my god

that's a trash mob

indra wtf

[crisp bolt]

to be fair those mobs are actually kind of annoying with the energy mechanic

that's +70% atk and +140% def trash mob

though their def are low

[near folio]

How long does cliff's def down last?

[crisp bolt]

1 second

[near folio]

Its not 1 second though

[crisp bolt]

it's 1 second after taking damage from the vent

[near folio]

I meant his defense down debuff on his attack

[crisp bolt]

oh wait you mean the damage

6 seconds?

[near folio]

What's his cooldown on CM?

[spark sinew]

18? seconds
fairly low

[near folio]

I see

[glass monolith]

30 -> 18. +20% ATK,DEF,HP on everyone

Which still don't stop chain casters from spawnkill everything on right side because holy shit this event is so free when enemy not charged

[near folio]

Man, I was so close to beating CM

[spark sinew]

you can use ethan for the devices if you wanted

[fathom mesa]

Wait can you just put passenger on the right side to spawnkill everyone?

[near folio]

Can you stack the heat vent debuffs onto Cliff?

[glass monolith]

pretty sure it is not stackable, because otherwise we would have negative 40% ATK cliff

[crisp bolt]

yeah it doesn't stack

[flint falcon]

reverse cliff
shining's gonna be out of business

[dusky grove]

Is it possible to tank cliff passively (cm)
As in auto/passive skill only

[near folio]

Bruhh

Damn I finally did it

It was tough but it was fun

EX-8 CM done

Almost messed up at the end

I managed kill him right on the rotation where my Jessica would have guaranteed died on his next skill

[vague solstice]

im so nervous 😭

what do i do next

all the enemies are dead

gonna retreat mlynar

[ivory leaf]

E2 or E1 Ethan?

[cyan gorge]

E2 + module

[vague solstice]

crap i think i fucked up

[near folio]

Whos the op thats tanking him?

[vague solstice]

i've been cycling between s2 mudrock, s2 jessicat, cardigan, and gravel

[tidal sedge]

e2 module on ethan

you can ignore mastery

cause ethan module more important

[near folio]

Phase 2 of the boss wont allow you to do that so freely

[vague solstice]

yeah i could tell

uhmm im not sure what to do on the second phase

[near folio]

You really need to abuse the heat vent to your advantage

[vague solstice]

kinda have been praying for my eyja's skill to come back

[near folio]

Ideally you should get him in the middle where there are 2 heat vents

[sinful gull]

Yeah This Stage is Little Long ..Also It is Very Fun [ with Proper Strategies ]

This is My Clear [ Stall Strategy ]

#salt-mines message

[near folio]

Try to stagger the heat vent timings so they go one after the other

[vague solstice]

gotcha

[near folio]

Insane stall strat with texalter, surtr and Typhon

[sinful gull]

This Strategy is Much more Applicable

[near folio]

I was so close to dying

Literally one more skill and my clear would have gone to ruin

[vague solstice]

i got him super low

this is so sad

[cyan gorge]

With vent Pozy can almost one cycle boss phase 1

[near folio]

Jessica alter is kinda made to counter this boss ngl

At least in normal ex-8

In CM he uses his skill way too fast

But the idea is wait for jessica to get marked then drop the shield behind her so cliff cant walk through

[tidal sedge]

hello zenith

[remote perch]

pfft

[tidal sedge]

[near folio]

Let him hit the shield for as long as possible so Jessica has less def debuffs when the next skill comes

[vague solstice]

does he use his ability if he defeats the shield?

[near folio]

Yes

So you still have to retreat it

When you feel his skill coming

[vague solstice]

I don't understand

[near folio]

In ex-8 cm his cooldown is 18 seconds

[vague solstice]

wouldn't retreating also make him dash

[near folio]

You retreat before he marks it

Remember jessica is always splitboxed with her shield

[vague solstice]

okay, so before he uses it? damn that's actually tough

[remote perch]

or you know
just typhon it

[near folio]

Yeah that

[vague solstice]

i don't have typhon

sorry

[remote perch]

borrow one

[near folio]

But cliff doesnt take his time on ex-8

Best time to set up typhon kill is early on

Penance can solo left side with help from shamare

[vague solstice]

i'm already borrowing mlynar and he's actually carrying me through the final wave of enemies

[near folio]

Yeah

[vague solstice]

errr would typhon be able to handle that

[near folio]

Those axemen are brutal when fully charged

[vague solstice]

i've never really used her

[near folio]

The idea with typhon is you isolate and kill him early

[vague solstice]

yeah, well you see

i can't borrow two units at once

that's kind of my point 😭

[near folio]

I would say typhon is a good strategy for middle-tier accounts

Since to actually stall and tank Cliff, you need some very competent setups

[cyan gorge]

If you don't have the means to keep Mlynar alive to kill boss, I think Typhon is a better borrow

[fringe jackal]

gg also works well but not as a borrow

[tidal sedge]

@fringe jackal yo

[vague solstice]

i'm able to outheal his first phase and i'm doing pretty well

[near folio]

I just personally dont like using strats like mlynar and typhon since I want to enjoy Cliff

[vague solstice]

i was able to get him about half hp on his second

[fringe jackal]

Hullo

[near folio]

His first phase is pretty simple yeah

But on his second phase he starts ramping up very fast

If you really want someone to tank cliff then Quartz is unironically the best option

[vague solstice]

OKAY if I'm borrowing typhon, where would be the optimal place to put her?

[near folio]

But even then you need to find enough damage resistance

[near folio]

Lower middle ranged tiles

[vague solstice]

I think eyjaf can handle the wave of enemies since she doesn't really use skill that often

[near folio]

As long as you mark cliff you are good to go

[cyan gorge]

I'm enjoying Cliff by abusing Silalter

[near folio]

Those skullshatterer wannabes actually made me use one Silalter charge

[spark sinew]

you're not using s2?

[near folio]

Dropped Guardmiya with silalter s3 just to kill one of them

[near folio]

Its EX-8 CM

I would rather have a better chance of living for 30 secs

[spark sinew]

i figured that part out yes

[near folio]

Also hard to count debuff stacks in phase 2

[vague solstice]

i haven't ever used typhon so could anyone please explain her s3

is the skill global once she marks the enemy?

[near folio]

So having that death block will let me know that my jessica def is going very low

[tidal sedge]

its follow one enemy and locked it in

[spark sinew]

it's not really 30 seconds either, isn't it

[tidal sedge]

when enemy dies
its just locked it in that one place

[spark sinew]

wasn't immortality just 10

[tidal sedge]

llo hauckindu

[spark sinew]

probably mixing that up...

[near folio]

She puts a mark on whoever they target and it will follow them and shoot 5 arrows down on the target and any enemies inside the mark for 8 ammo

[vague solstice]

gotcha

[near folio]

Immortality is around 15s, but buffed talent + healing is 30s

[vague solstice]

i'll see what i can do

[cyan gorge]

She locks on to an enemy and marks them, the mark follow the enemy until her skill ammo runs out or the enemy dies. If the enemy dies with ammo left, the mark is left where the enemy died so anything that walks through it gets a nuke to the face

[near folio]

Realistically Cliff isnt instakilling your operator with every skill

His main source of damage is stacking defense down that lasts for 6 seconds

His skill in p2 is 6 shots which means it rapidly ramps up

But without the extra 3-4 stacks from his normals its actually survivable for defenders

Especially with heat vent + shamare or skill

[vague solstice]

my genuine concern now is the snipers

since i don't have a mlynar

[near folio]

Do you have Penance?

[vague solstice]

I don't

[cyan gorge]

Kal?

[near folio]

I know Penance can definitely solo left lane with help from shamare

[vague solstice]

I don't have much 6* on my account

uh, hold on

i could probably screenshot my operators if it helps

[cyan gorge]

My original clear held left with Typhon

[near folio]

Honestly left side is such a pain to deal with

[spark sinew]

mud actually soloes afaik, so penance is just worse. although yeah, not relevant anyway

[vague solstice]

yeah, not very good

[near folio]

Overloaded snipers actually hit pretty hard and fast

[near folio]

Can mud solo in ex-8 cm?

[cyan gorge]

Mud gets shredded

[tidal sedge]

nice acc

[near folio]

Feel that with overload buff mud gets destroyed

[vague solstice]

most of my operators are physical so it's kind of difficult

[tidal sedge]

bottom lane ? need help

[spark sinew]

that's what we're talking about aren't we

i heard she does

not at e2 10 though

[near folio]

Even Penance gets shredded if you dont time shamare dolls properly when the snipers are overloaded

[vague solstice]

i have no problem leveling her up

[spark sinew]

hold that thought, i can test it tomorrow, just because I'm curious

[cyan gorge]

My e2 60 s2m1 Mud got shredded

[near folio]

Its just a bit weird with mud on left because of the heat vent, you are forced to put her low which opens her up to getting bullied by the snipers

[spark sinew]

might need to use good skill

[vague solstice]

s2 works really well with the vents

[cyan gorge]

I have s3m3 but no practice plans left

[near folio]

Oh right the vents can charge her s2

I forgot about that

[spark sinew]

||i don't see penance being better there regardless ||
doesn't seem like there's a lot of fodder

[near folio]

Im using penance there mainly because my strat leaks two skullshatterers to the left lane

Mudrock isnt able to handle them

So Penance was the pick

Their stats already naturally high without charges so need more brute force with penance

[vague solstice]

for the time being i'll keep using mlynar

[near folio]

https://youtu.be/p-aezj-Ajas?si=3igyPiewrwBxNo66

My clear is very scuffed

[tidal sedge]

pog clear

[near folio]

But im willing to do this kind of clear since I like the event

[tidal sedge]

cm extra stat fuck shit alot

thats you need adjustment

llo despe

[vocal leaf]

this didn’t happen to me when i used her but i saw yours is not max lvl, ig there’s where the extra stats make a difference

i only used shamare doll for cliff

[near folio]

Fr

My Penance could still survive without any help in normal mode

But in CM she gets kicked hard by bombers

And overloaded snipers

Especially early game without the barrier stacked

[tidal sedge]

oof

[near folio]

Im actually doomed

I afk for too long

I might pop a few OP just to complete this medal set

Because this event is just so good

[tidal sedge]

bruhe

[near folio]

Actually after claiming the rest I only need to farm out 1k more event currency

[fringe jackal]

Literally just get the medal on the rerun

[tidal sedge]

by how much does each point of energy increase atk and def

[vivid rain]

20% iirc

[tidal sedge]

for atk and defr?

goddamn no wonder i see penance die in 6 shots sometimes

[vague solstice]

OK

help please

😭

all enemies are dead and clear

where should I place mlynar?

[vivid rain]

To the right of the double vent, facing left

[vague solstice]

okay

gonna retreat lapp, click, and perfumer before second phase

i don't really know where to place them given how they'll die to cliff just about anywhere

[vivid rain]

Yeah just retreat anyone that cant outrange and damage cliff

[vague solstice]

looking at this right now

abt to enter second phase

[celest bluff]

So mudrock is an AFK lanehold while hoshi is a big block of concrete

[ivory leaf]

Specialist Stage two is hard

[dense seal]

can blitz E2 hold against cliff skill?

i have shining and perfurmer to back him up, is it enough?

[limpid siren]

without atk debuff he will get shit on

[soft crystal]

just get lucky with the damage blocks /s

[limpid siren]

it's more important to debuff cliff's atk than it is to buff ally def

[soft crystal]

i think even my hoshiguma with shining s3 dies from cliff, had to use shamare instead

[tidal sedge]

debuff cliff

atk

[foggy grove]

the boss talent shred your def
the nature of multi hit also make it obvious debuffing his atk a better choice

[dense seal]

I'm lack of build defender, usually i strike boss early
Cliff is something else for me, phase 2 literally make me mad

[limpid siren]

If you can get to phase two, then it should just be a matter of managing the heat vents to debuff his atk/def

[dense seal]

i didn't even think of stalling, didn't watch kyostinv recently
when he spawn i use scwharz + firewatch to shred first phase, my other ops can hold lane pretty well but cliff teleport just annoying

[soft crystal]

blitz can hold off since he has a dodge chance but needs more help

[limpid siren]

please don't cope blitz's tiny dodge chance

[dense seal]

that's the problem, i'm lack of defensive ops. I often play sniper, guard and fast redeploy so usually offensive

[tidal sedge]

blitz gaming

[limpid siren]

you don't need to rush to kill phase one

in fact that's probably just making your life harder

[tidal sedge]

u can stall p1

kill everything

then setup

[dense seal]

i'll note that

[limpid siren]

your plan should revolve around the vents in the mid lane, there's a few different good options for speeding them up

a low level ethan with a medic or other unit nearby to take enemy aggro from him is a good pick, especially because he needs zero investment to do his thing

ideally the vents alternate, instead of both going off at once

other sources of atk debuff (e.g. mousse, shamare) help a lot for handling cliff

[soft crystal]

if you have kirito s3, you can almost instantly reactivate it

[steel verge]

Im kinda confuse rn on how to get the trim medal

Do i have to do it on normal mode not the challenge mode?

[dense seal]

defeat cliff both phase while on heat vent

[dense seal]

normal

[steel verge]

Oh

Ive been doing it on challenge mode lol

[dense seal]

good for you, just repeat it on normal

[dense seal]

gonna try to play with slow now

[craggy turret]

CV-EX-8 cm? He literally one shots everything in his second phase. I can stall pase 1 with hoshi + lumen

[steel verge]

I dont really recommend stalling cliff

[craggy turret]

Phase 2 just oneshots everything anyway

I stall phase 1 to finish off the rest of the enemies

[soft crystal]

borrow shamare

[steel verge]

Typhon can be your dmg dealer for cliff

[craggy turret]

She can finish off phase 1, not 2 tho

[steel verge]

She can while cliff is on the vent

[craggy turret]

He gets too close to her

Just yoinks her out of existence

[steel verge]

What tile did you put your typhon?

[civic bear]

kill p1 retreat redeploy on middle near blue box facing right

[steel verge]

Wait lemme draw my strat for cliff

[civic bear]

after u kill p1 redeploy like that

(after cliff walk past ofc)

cliff stand still for a bit on the right corner so

[craggy turret]

I'll try that then

Bro has a canonically accurate gun

[civic bear]

or that, typhon top works too

[craggy turret]

I regret not pulling gg when I had the chance

[steel verge]

For cliff p1 i put typhon right beside pozy, then when cliff p2 enters the stairs i retreat typhon and move her to the top

[steel verge]

Gg in my strat is for cleanup only

[craggy turret]

In general

Gg is very good

[steel verge]

Pozy typewriter inflicts def debuff on enemies so it help to kill cliff faster

[steel verge]

Yep specially in any IS stages

[craggy turret]

I was there for her initial run but didn't pull cuz I didn't like her e2 you could tell I wasn't kept up with the meta back then

[steel verge]

When i pull for gg when the event came up i was skeptical if she was good or not kekw

I was new at that time

[craggy turret]

She's a better generalist than eyja

Eyja is better at burst

[steel verge]

Both are good

[craggy turret]

My only other st caster is ho'ol

[steel verge]

6 star ver of amiya with silence lol

[craggy turret]

She will remain unbuilt until a unit that breaks the game with levitate comes out

[steel verge]

Thats irene

[craggy turret]

She's at P3 too

[cyan gorge]

Literally have every op I used for my clear

[craggy turret]

My ho'ol imean

[craggy turret]

Why horn?

Extra DPS?

[steel verge]

Silencealter huh

[cyan gorge]

She did nothing

[steel verge]

I shouldve thought of that

[cyan gorge]

Horn is free slot

Ethan s1 or gravel would be more useful

[craggy turret]

Mly boutta be clapped out of existence

[cyan gorge]

That's why Silalter is there

[craggy turret]

Ohhh

Thought she was there for saria

Stall Infront of vent

[cyan gorge]

Saria is to keep Mlynar alive and block a few trash mobs

[craggy turret]

I clean them up with eyja + frd

Alr than u all, I'll try the starts

Then lose my mind again for the medal

[cyan gorge]

medal easy

use Ethan to keep vents open

[craggy turret]

I'm imagining this event on rerun

Shu infinite stall

[craggy turret]

Does that work for trimmed too?

[cyan gorge]

yes

you just need to kill both phases when boss has vent debuff

if always on, easy medal

[steel verge]

I got the trim bois

[craggy turret]

I will commit venthicilar manslaughter

[steel verge]

Aight imma be out cya guys later

[void terrace]

Which does is coming out?

The cancer ifrit one?

[split cloak]

How do you 3* 6-11. I have 3* 6-16 already

[scarlet mortar]

.....ah the illegal doro solo stage

send your roster

[split cloak]

I actually malded on 6-16 cuz mlynar couldn't reach the boss on the 2nd stairs. It turns out, i should've had him face the back and not the top lol

I initially used SA. And damn their dmg difference is huge

[scarlet mortar]

huh should be an easy win

[split cloak]

But this time. 6-11, those casters are annoying to deal with

[split cloak]

I didn't 3 star it cuz kroos cant kill the drone on time

[scarlet mortar]

qiubai mountain camp at mid, since you're fine with borrows get a cexas or sth to delete the casters

then the stage's free

[split cloak]

sth?

[scarlet mortar]

something

[split cloak]

Alright thanks. Maybe ill use both jessica and kroos on the drone

[scarlet mortar]

heck just open with a cexas to kill the left two casters

[split cloak]

Her aoe can't kill 1 and she can only face 1 enemy, i tried opening with her

[scarlet mortar]

the drone is pretty weak, your raised coldshot could probs kill it

[split cloak]

Oh yeah, coldshot. Forgot abt her, raised her for different reasons and she's just benched. Thank you

[scarlet mortar]

cexas S3

[split cloak]

Ahh the texas i borrowed wasn't level 90 and no mastery

I just finished the other caster with gravel lmao. And thanks for the idea of guards at the mid

Placed them near the exit so frozen galore

Chapter 7 time. Hope i don't need e2 units

[foggy grove]

so you are using e1 texas?

[split cloak]

e2 but isn't fed well. I just 3*d it tho

[split cloak]

I meant my own units. I only have tequila and coldshot e2'd. Not really that reliable

I just hope chapters can be beaten with e1 units and a powerful support. Im rushing through it for mats

[scarlet mortar]

an E2 penance would be pretty nice for certain later chapter 7 stages

[foggy grove]

or e2 exe 🏃

[scarlet mortar]

they have penance but not exfed

[split cloak]

I cant get e2 mats for 6* yet. That's why im rushing

[tidal sedge]

chp7?

ye just penance it

[split cloak]

I can only e1 her

And people said to bench her until i can e2 her

[vague solstice]

dude what a fucking cope moment

😭

HIS HP

[near folio]

[viscid raft]

I think I paused every detail on the guide to beat the boss

You have to be so precise if you don't have good units

[ivory nimbus]

You still need to, even if you have meta ops.

[near folio]

Yeah you still got to time heat vents

[foggy grove]

acktually if you have meta ops,you don't care about vents

only because the medal force you to

[near folio]

Kyo said that dealing with cliff is easy
Also Kyo: repeatedly tossing out his operators to take one hit from cliff and does heat vent manipulation

[scarlet mortar]

ceobe suzu p1 to like 1hp and cexas bomb when he gets to the vent, redeploy, repeat

[near folio]

You still want to get vent up for mlynar and typhon to do damage

[foggy grove]

nah

[smoky halo]

gg s3 and dorothy doesnt care abt placement or def tho

[ivory nimbus]

Yep, Typhon deal double the dmg when he's in vent blast, which is crucial to take him down in time.

[scarlet mortar]

rip can't find the twitter post

[smoky halo]

in time?

[viscid raft]

Yeah I like the part that he says cliff is cringe lmfao

[smoky halo]

theres enough time

unless ur aiming for the medal

[foggy grove]

ye

[ivory nimbus]

He get down to mid lane, I'm dead.

[foggy grove]

also you can just use arts for phase 2

stuff like qb or surtr or ceobe

[smoky halo]

i just like used gg and dorothu on cm

and shut off my brain lmao

[glass monolith]

Me: Everything was perfect in practice, surely it will be perfect in recording
Phone lag during recording:

[scarlet mortar]

ceobe suzu deletes both phases

penance the rest or sth

[smoky halo]

i wish i had either one of them

[scarlet mortar]

copy defknights hw

arkrec is a guide if you're rich

[smoky halo]

ew defenderknights wtf

[scarlet mortar]

cope

[near folio]

I would say any boss that requires very high-end setups to be stalled will automatically be placed in top 10 hardest bosses

And Cliff is very close to the top

[viscid raft]

I like how everyone's talking about strategies they use with certain units but I don't have any of them

[scarlet mortar]

uhhh cliff doesn't require high-end ops by himself

[smoky halo]

it doesnt require high end setup to be stalled

4 star only stalled cliff

[scarlet mortar]

it's just that you want to deal with him well enough that you can also fight the rest of the stage

[viscid raft]

I think if it wasn't for kyo I would be stuck at cv-7

[near folio]

Did they have to do the throwing bodies strat?

[scarlet mortar]

CV-7 uhhh

[smoky halo]

stalling red avenger (not checkpoint abuse) in cc12 is high end setup lmao

[scarlet mortar]

wait i 3-stepped it with enemy

amogus

[smoky halo]

uh

mayhaps

idk what that means

[ivory nimbus]

I didn't stalled much, just temporarily block him for 2 seconds before he kill my ops, which is enough time for Typhon to land enough hits, killing him right at the mid lane exit.

[smoky halo]

[viscid raft]

Does full potting 6* make a massive difference

[scarlet mortar]

average arknights gameplay

[ivory nimbus]

Most of the time, no.

[scarlet mortar]

oh they didn't trim the medal, L

3* + dobermann did

[ivory nimbus]

Unless they're low DP unit like Vanguards and FRD, then yes, they absolutely make a massive difference.

[scarlet mortar]

depends on the 6*

[ivory nimbus]

Or fringe case like Bagpipe Talent pot upgrade.

[near folio]

How is bubble able to stall cliff?

[scarlet mortar]

doro for example gets the equivalent of +24 SP with her talent upgrade

[smoky halo]

bc shes tanky?

[viscid raft]

Damn

[smoky halo]

and reduce enemy atk

[viscid raft]

I want to pull to full pot but I know that's impossible for f2p players

[smoky halo]

its not

just skip like 6 banners

[near folio]

Does the reduce atk stack?

[smoky halo]

is it smart: no
but it is possible

[smoky halo]

with other sources? ya

[scarlet mortar]

all unnamed effects stack

[near folio]

Sometimes in phase 2 my Jessicat in S3 dies to cliff's skill even with vent up

[scarlet mortar]

that's the general rule

[smoky halo]

just outrange

[near folio]

Not an option for me

[smoky halo]

thats the turn off brain strat

[smoky halo]

why

[near folio]

Shes the only defender I brought

[smoky halo]

no ops?

this looks so cursed

[near folio]

Bubble tanked cliff so effortlessly

Meanwhile Jessicat here with such complicated setup still dying

Took me 3 hr to get the clear

[foggy grove]

bubble doesn't full tank it either

[viscid raft]

Yeah it's not smart

[foggy grove]

just enough time for the dps to do their job

[smoky halo]

bubble doesnt perma stall

[near folio]

Really? In the 4 star clear vid she tanked 6 skills by herself just with 2 healers and vents

She survived all the way to the end

I dont know how she was able to do that

Like even with heat vents at some point the defender is going to die from the stacks

[smoky halo]

i think buble has higher def than jesswick

or maybe its the atk down

[near folio]

Yeah you might be right

S2M3 bubble is +120% def

[scarlet mortar]

huh which clear are you watching

[near folio]

And she has the module that boosts defense when blocking enemy

[near folio]

https://youtu.be/68FqDBfV4SA?si=T-VgyHyBNjMB6kU3

[glass monolith]

I would be surprized if there was no pudding

[smoky halo]

oh

i havent seen that

[glass monolith]

Oh it was e1 1 category

[scarlet mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lmf2HkWlao 6op

[smoky halo]

i warxhed silveegun clear

watched*

[near folio]

Its a more damage focused setup than the clear I watched

But still Im surprised Bubble can just fully tank phase 2 of Cliff

For like 5-6 skills

And even then she comes out fine

[scarlet mortar]

sentinels have lower base def so pretty understandable

bubble lives by the skin of her teeth though

[delicate magnet]

Still very impressive

[near folio]

Jessicat has higher base def than bubble but with module bubble can reach the same level as jessica with mobile shield deployed

And the built in atk down is 12% with module

Pretty noticeable

I think 4 star teams are inherently better than 5 star teams

Arknights has a problem of making 5 stars kits all over the place

[scarlet mortar]

5*s 4op

[foggy grove]

?

[limpid siren]

nah not this again

4*s suck

[scarlet mortar]

oh wait they didn't bother with CM

probs 5op tbh

[near folio]

Cuora is better than a lot of 5 star defenders in terms of pure damage tanking

[limpid siren]

not true

[foggy grove]

lol

[scarlet mortar]

5*s getting all the slander bc nobody raises them

gg

[near folio]

Liskarm and Crossiant doesnt reach as high def, Bison has uptime issues

[shell arch]

Kwasong can tank more phy and arts dmg more than hoshi iirc

[tidal sedge]

What. Bison has better cycle than Cuora

[shell arch]

Due to s1 dodge
But cringe auto activation

[tidal sedge]

Well, same cycle, better duration

[near folio]

With S1, but for content where you need the higher defense from S2 then might as well use cuora

[smoky halo]

[limpid siren]

liskarm isn't really a tank, you identify this yourself earlier when talking about jess
croissant value comes from having a hp pool that isn't dogshit, a better cycle, and a solid dodge chance
and if bison has uptime issues, so does cuora

even silvergun himself will tell you that 5*s are better

[tidal sedge]

That's a completely different point than 4 star > 5 star or cycle issue

[limpid siren]

4*s lack toolkit depth and the raw stopping power that 5*s have

[scarlet mortar]

bison S2's 50/40 and cuora S2's 40/30, 44% uptime vs 42.9% uptime

[near folio]

5*s are just much better individually

[scarlet mortar]

not accounting for bison's utility

[limpid siren]

you know what happens when you put good individuals into a team

[scarlet mortar]

and his better stats

[limpid siren]

you make a good team

[near folio]

4*s might lack toolkit depth but they work together very well

[limpid siren]

what

is

[scarlet mortar]

bro is coping

[limpid siren]

that makes absolutely no sense

[scarlet mortar]

rip

[limpid siren]

????

[scarlet mortar]

5*s getting all the slander bc nobody raises them

[tidal sedge]

With low op being considered the efficient way to play or at least something close to it, individual power matters a lot.

[limpid siren]

like it's not unusual to see silvergun, or another 4* god post a video and take that to mean they're better than 5*s

but like holy moly, when you actually play either of those teams for more than a hot minute

you quickly learn that 5*s stomp the rarities below them

just the same as 6*s stomp them

[tidal sedge]

Pure support ops don't see use often even when they're good. As much hype Shamare gets, ask folks how much they actually use her

[near folio]

Its kinda weird though, when I need an operator to fill in certain gaps in my squad the 4 star option ends up being picked usually

[ivory nimbus]

That's because 4 stars are more bang for your buck, and if you have the resources to raise 5 stars, may as well goes the extra miles to raise 6 stars, cause the jump in power is way bigger.

[limpid siren]

that's just you picking the 4* option

not them being the best option

[near folio]

Like if I need a physical defender I would just pick Cuora

Instead of Bison or Crossiant

[scarlet mortar]

^

[limpid siren]

this means nothing as evidence to support 4* > 5* though

[scarlet mortar]

it takes less time to raise a 4* is why people don't raise 5*s

if both are levelled, 5*s win i'm sorry

[near folio]

Bison might have similar uptime but the wait to get to the next skill is way too long

[limpid siren]

just slap the funny ptilopsis in your squad and he's suddenly faster than cuora

4*s can keep their global regen

[scarlet mortar]

wait what do people use to calc onskill def again

i'm not gonna punch numbers for this

[ivory nimbus]

You click on the operator while they're onskill?

[limpid siren]

for bison? cuora? or both

[scarlet mortar]

does it look like i raised either of them

[ivory nimbus]

Go punch in the numbers.

[near folio]

Bison S2 has higher def than Cuora s2

[scarlet mortar]

no

[near folio]

Its a matter of breakpoints

If Cuora can handle the stage with a 40/30 cycle and you have some way to sustain in the 40sec downtime then Cuora would be better

[limpid siren]

i'm not sure you know what that word means

[near folio]

Its just a benchmark set by the stage

[spark sinew]

people keep forgetting that sentinels are not really supposed to be tanky

wait, discord jumped the messages

[limpid siren]

that's not what a breakpoint is, just use benchmark

[near folio]

Like Hellagur for example, you wont use him to deal with enemies out of his weight class

[glass monolith]

Which sentinels only you mention them as far as i care about this chat currently

[limpid siren]

except bison and cuora are both defenders

and the tangible difference between them is investment cost

[spark sinew]

there was a message about jessalter dying to cliff even with complicated setup or smth

and bubble stalling him instead

[near folio]

Still though jessica dying to cliff's skill with S3 and heat vent active is pretty sad

[spark sinew]

but yeah blame discord my bad

how so

[glass monolith]

Cat issue

[foggy grove]

sad cat issue

[spark sinew]

huge part of s3 is tanky shield

[foggy grove]

L cat

[spark sinew]

that you aren't using vs cliff i assume

[tidal sedge]

Isn't that using the wrong skill for that though

[near folio]

You cant really let the shield fully take him on in phase 2

Hes going to eventually def drop the shield enough to kill it

So you still need to let jessica take his skill

[spark sinew]

sure
what i mean is, it's a class that's not really used for main tanking

[tidal sedge]

If Jess is going to soak Cliff skill, why not use s2 dodge instead

[scarlet mortar]

S2 desyncs, i doubt it's sustainable

[spark sinew]

on a skill that buffs survivability in a different way (shield being giga tanky)

[near folio]

Yeah its uptime is questionable

S3 can squeeze out 2 cliff skills with good timing

Then you find something else to make you survive in the downtime

[spark sinew]

so idk if we should complain maybe we should complain about her numbers being overturned and people using her as main tank

[near folio]

The real question is if you would bother slotting in a main tank when you already have a sentinel like jessica in the team

[glass monolith]

Would you bother slottin Jessica if she don't tank Cliff

[tidal sedge]

Is 30 seconds not enough time to kill Cliff

[ivory nimbus]

Wait, I thought S2 uptime is 15 seconds?

Gotta double check.

[near folio]

S2 is 15

[tidal sedge]

It is, but Cliff skill cd is 30 seconds

[near folio]

18 in CM

[shell arch]

How much def does jesswick have on her peak?

[tidal sedge]

I forgot about that. Makes sense then.

[near folio]

Maybe 1.5k around there

Assuming both S3 and mobile shield are deployed

[shell arch]

doesn't that mean she has like extra 300 def compared to 4block mod3 hoshi

[foggy grove]

4 block hoshi do sucks yeah

[near folio]

Its a matter of benchmarks

Also if you want to gamble that damage resist

[tidal sedge]

Hmm.

[near folio]

Hoshi does get def up module down the line though

[foggy grove]

what down the line

she has it

[near folio]

And it makes her passive give herself 19% def

[tidal sedge]

I wonder if phase 2 Cliff attacks rapidly enough for permanent Sham doll with Lisk fuel

[near folio]

The real question is if lisk can even survive

[near folio]

Its possible yeah

But even with shamare doll and heat vent blowing I have a feeling Liskarm could just die

And you would need some very good doll timing

Ideally the doll should wear out the moment he stops using his skill

[shell arch]

I think 20% def mod3 hoshi has like 1400 def so that's 100 less def than jesswick at her peak

[foggy grove]

nah hoshi is around 1.5k too

[near folio]

Hoshi's mod nakes up for the mobile shield diff

[shell arch]

P6?

[keen rain]

Who gets the 4 block hoshi mod why is that even in discussion

[near folio]

But she should be higher than jessica since her S3 gives 90% compared to 80% from jessica

[foggy grove]

you said peak so

[shell arch]

Me

I'm debating whether should I cope or hope that 4block mod is better than 3block mod

[glass monolith]

Ranged Jessica S2 > Defender Jessica

[limpid siren]

i can test, but i'd probably prefer using ptilopsis, which gets her to ~22s charge time

[near folio]

You got the 4 block mod?

[foggy grove]

it's okay p1 hoshi is around that too

max pot hoshi hit 1.6k

[ivory leaf]

Finally after countless Hours of figuring out I finally did PR-D2 with this load out

[near folio]

Isnt that lower than peak Bison?

[foggy grove]

well yeah it's static s2

[near folio]

Well I guess Hoshi can do damage

[foggy grove]

her selling point for average people is perma def

[keen rain]

The point of hoshi is perma uptime

[shell arch]

[tidal sedge]

I think it's a bit short. You need 15 sp in 15 seconds for permanent doll. Cliff skill + 9~ seconds of Cliff non-skill attacks isn't quite enough I think

[foggy grove]

if they want on skill defender,nian is the pick

humongous hp on top

[limpid siren]

you don't need permanent doll though

[near folio]

If the tank is Liskarm then its pretty much her lifeline

[limpid siren]

shush

[tidal sedge]

I know it is not needed, but it's what I'm wondering

[sinful gull]

I Always Use 4 Block Hoshi [ in Some Events And SSS ]

[ivory leaf]

Guys what defender ops do you guys recommend?

[keen rain]

If new, cuora

And spot

[ivory leaf]

Okeh

[noble hollow]

Doesent more block = hoshi dying faster

[near folio]

Well if she blocks 4 elites yeah

But realistically thats not really happening on any stage

Or if that 4th block causes her to get eaten by those monsters in chapter 11

[spark sinew]

4 block is better

just get nian

easy

[limpid siren]

@tidal sedge

[shell arch]

Mfw no nian

[limpid siren]

not 100% uptime, but you have it for every skill

[tidal sedge]

About what I expected.

[noble pewter]

Liskarn sp talent is 4 tile or 8 tile?

[limpid siren]

4 tile

quercus/whisperain healing

less than that and she dies

[tidal sedge]

Damn. 55% atk debuff and Quercus shelter cuts it that close.

[soft crystal]

Doesnt quercus even have shelter

[limpid siren]

she only gets it while above 60% hp

and it's only 18%

liskarm starts his skill with 482 def

[spark sinew]

finally a use for modded shamare

[limpid siren]

that was in pinch out actually

last down, but need her to not get hit by rockets

[ivory leaf]

So I'm about to E2 my jaye

Uhhh

I forgot what I'm gonna say

Oh right his module

[ivory nimbus]

Yeah?

[ivory leaf]

What level should I upgrade it

[ivory nimbus]

Mod1.

[ivory leaf]

(I'm still new to this module thing don't hate me)

[ivory nimbus]

Jaye talent is meh, and the stats gain from mod3 is more of a luxury than anything.

[soft crystal]

even eunectes with s3 folds to cliff

😔

maybe my eunectes just needs lvl90 though

[ivory leaf]

Wym

Ples explain

:))

[ivory nimbus]

Jaye talent is dealing more dmg to Infected Creatures, which is already niche enough, but mod 2-3 upgrade only give the Talent more dmg against Infected Creatures, which isn't worth the cost.

[ivory leaf]

So just 1?

[ivory nimbus]

Yes.

[civic bear]

the talent is rarely ever active so his upgrade is solely for mod effect (the dp reduction) and stats so he lives longer/hits harder . u get most of the stuff from mod1 already

[foggy grove]

4* mod is cheap

[ivory leaf]

Okehhh

[foggy grove]

you can go mod 3 for stats tbh

[ivory leaf]

After I'm done with that

I'm gonna E2 my click

[civic bear]

4* is cheap but 6* isnt . gotta save up those modblocks yo

[foggy grove]

the talent is useless

[ivory leaf]

What about click mods

[foggy grove]

it's okay most 6* mod 3 is a scam

[ivory nimbus]

Straight upgrade, nothing to complain about.

[ivory leaf]

Okay

[soft crystal]

skadi can easily tank cliff right with gladia mod?

skadi s3

[foggy grove]

dr goes hard 💤

[soft crystal]

i wonder who else can raw tank it

[scarlet mortar]

get a better eun

[soft crystal]

gyat

mod y eun?

probably

[scarlet mortar]

yh

[soft crystal]

mod x L

😔

[scarlet mortar]

who needs faster SP, just drop directly on the boss

[noble pewter]

Maybe cement cause passive phy resists

[limpid siren]

croissant 💪

[celest bluff]

Well fucking shit

I guess I will use Ling for the first time