strategy

[scarlet mortar]

rope dodge carry fr

[vocal leaf]

you mainly need aoe damage, like mylnar/chalter/fia… to kill the jellyfish and also some cc too slow them and keep them away from izumik, but if you’re playing on low difficulty it should be fine to let him eat them, just have ng, eyja or therapist medic to deal with the stuns

[near citrus]

thank you i'll try that

[vocal leaf]

oh and about relics, these two break the game

[trim flare]

Alrighty

Wow I see

[dark glade]

Sometime im confused if someone asking about is3 or is4

[trim flare]

Unironically I made it to the final boss after upgrading the skilltree so thst was nice xD

[sleek wyvern]

Guys how good is the ceobe strat in CV-8?

[solid dew]

the rewards 1-155 or whatever it is for IS4. i dont play IS often so i want to get the most out of it
and plus im nearly maxed the tech tree anyway

i think this IS is the one ive played the most early on. now i have a built roster

[turbid badge]

greeat

would do typhon

[spark sinew]

plug the lanes, don't let any mob come to the boss, win
alternatively, you can hold the blue box with ng skalter and whatever else

[turbid badge]

hi haukcindu

are you excited for next chapter

[spark sinew]

aoe/multitarget/slow are good
laneplugs are good
arts are so so

all of this assuming d0

[sleek wyvern]

I do have her but she's usually not enough

[turbid badge]

are you using s3?

[void terrace]

I think the pick is just avengers here right

I have mylnar

[smoky halo]

yeah id take avenger

[scarlet mortar]

both are good ngl

[void terrace]

I need more combat

[smoky halo]

ur at f3?

[void terrace]

The anti interference would be really good tho

[smoky halo]

or end of f3

[scarlet mortar]

more index means more vertical takes

[void terrace]

Just finished f3

[smoky halo]

well idk abt u but i skip f5 combats

[void terrace]

It has max life too

[smoky halo]

so only place to use it is f4 in my experience

[void terrace]

Have 2 sing foldartals

[scarlet mortar]

i'd get the index

[void terrace]

Hmmmm

[smoky halo]

both are good tho ya

[void terrace]

I guess having a bit more flexibility would be good right now

Whelp took the index

Already have myrtle, Ines and cantabile

Bagpipe seems overkill

But I don't have any good guards left other than possible executor

I have barometric tho so perhaps bagpipe would let me open faster?

The alternative is mumu but she kinda feels underwhelming in is

I have no good ranged clone targets

[turbid badge]

chen skin..

[void terrace]

Yes

[smoky halo]

exec is cringe at later floors

he dies to a sneeze

[sleek wyvern]

Yes

[deft badger]

skill issue..

[deft badger]

only they can actually make him look really really old on f5

[smoky halo]

collapsal casters too lmao

most elites smoke him too 1v1 onskill

[deft badger]

are we playing a different game? 😄

don't know but the only ad i see him strugle with is that stupid champion and its not even close...

guy kills him 2nd AA already and exe is just looking dumb vs him

[spark sinew]

it's more of a question

[turbid badge]

What

[spark sinew]

"why didn't i draft mlynar with that guard ticket instead "

[turbid badge]

hauckdinu me broke

can t do mlyne mastery

[spark sinew]

also rerolling for e2 starters is kinda whatever

even carne probably clears early if you do that

exec definitely looks like he scales worse into lategame than even stuff like qb

no experience with gavialter s2 in is4 so no comment, but i have a hunch she also probably cheeses some maps

[viscid mist]

Starting from the basics
Shining e2 max
HP 1613
Atk 610
Defense 158
Skill 2 max The next heal will grant a Barrier to the target that lasts for 3 seconds.
The Barrier can absorb damage equal to 50% of Shining's ATK. Additionally, it increases the target's DEF by 50%. Can hold 3 charges| Sp cost 5
Skill 3 max ATK +50%. All allies within Attack Range gain +100% DEF| Starting SP 115 SP cost 120
What the modules bring:
Module X - When healing units with less than 50% HP, healing effectiveness is increased by 15%
Attack Speed +15 (18) [5 asdp increase], gain +25% ATK when equipping Skill 2, gain +0.6 SP/sec when equipping Skill 3 | Atk + 63/ Defense + 20
Module Y - When healing melee units, healing effectiveness is increased by 15%
DEF of allies within range +100 (105) [40 defense increase], melee units in range gain additional +40 DEF | Atk + 65 / Asdp + 7

When you just look at both module effects face to face, you already start to notice how Mod Y goes above and beyong anything X is supposed to do. Mod X brings an instersting concept of giving different effects for both skills, but being a jack of all trades end up turning it into a master of none.
Mod X 5 asdp gain from level 3 is not even worth considerating when she already gains more asdp from mod Y by default, so all that matters are the extra effects.
You either have a 25% atk increase
So she goes from 673 attack when maxed to 841 with s2 equiped. That's a 168 atk increase. Not too shaby. If you compare it to mod Y, shining has 166 more atk.
Now for the skill effects in pratice:
First consideration is that Mod X brings an regular hps increase to skill 2 and that's good [More mentions later], when the skill is active, she gives a 420 hp barrier that increases target defense by 50%. As she already give targets by default, the barrier has mitigation of 90 defense.

For Mod Y, the barrier is of 337 hp. The difference is of 83 hp. But in comparison, you get mitigation of 150 defense (increase of 60), or 210 (increase of 120) for ground targets (who you would expect from tanking damage) So even if your barrier get one shot (where defense matters the least) You still only lose on 23 mitigation from Mod X and with ground units there is no contest. This because we are working with operators that have 0 defense. Even operators with the weakest defense in the game have around 150 defense, so shining mod Y should always be winning in effects of skill.
"ok but outside of the barrier shining will have better hps"
Now we go for module effects.
Shining Mod X has 841 atk and Mod Y has 675 attack as stated when they have s2 equiped. This much is already stated.
Then, shining atk interval is of 2.85 seconds. Now we need to take into consideration how asdp affects her atk interval.
+15 asdp from mod X rounds her atk interval to ~ 2,48 seconds
+17 asdp from mod Y rounds her atk interval to ~~2,44 seconds
so mostly negligible
The real hps is 339 hps with mod X x 277 hps with mod Y so there's a 62 hps increase that is not too shaby
but we are ignoring something

Shining by default gives all ground units + 15% healing increase, as such her REAL hps with ground units (the one she's normally focused on healing, her hps will be 318
So the real difference is even lower, 19 hps difference that is basically irrelevant.
Shining mod X conditional 15% healing increase is a lot harder to achieve, when you consider with s2 you stack shields while shining heals so if your operator is getting bellow 50% hps for shining hps to kick in, she's probably already unable to deal with the dps of whatever her healing target is tanking. If this is a thing, Mod Y damage mitigation from +80 extra defense from ground targets would be much more helpful than a mediocre conditional hps increase that will disappear once her ground target is above 50%.
I focused a lot on s2 because that's the skill the average player will use for shining, as s3 is a terribly niche skill.
But we will be talking about it anyway.

[glass monolith]

I'm not reading all that, but that's for reading tutorial as part of chapter 13 preparation

[peak cloak]

wall of text

[lethal dragon]

Wtff

Oh satori

Hope you stopped using default emotes

[glass monolith]

Oh no, Satori typing "advanced" part of his Shining (just put some word here i run out)

[lapis hornet]

what the

i thought discord had character cap

[glass monolith]

It is 3 messages

He/She/Satori types to limit, copy to notepad and continue

[viscid mist]

S3 effects on Mod X shining
+50% atk, so her atk becomes 1009 during skill and her hps is ~ 407 duration and she gives a default defense increase of 120 to all targets in range. She also gets a sp buff increase, so her cycle goes from 60/120 to 60/75. It's a very big difference cycling wise, but this still means this skill has a homungous cycle of 135 seconds, when most stages don't last more than 5 minutes. Consider that shining s3 is not a skill you want to spam, like nian s2 it's a skill you use when your defensive target is being overwhelmed by something with high damage. You shouldn't expect to reuse a skill that cycles so bad more than once per stage. You can also consider that undeploying your shining (as she has a 70 second redeployment time) then deploying her back for her 5 second wind up until s3 gives you exactly the SAME skill cycle as keeping your shinning on the field for a subpar offskill hps she would bring outside s3
And if you really need to spam s3 in a stage, s2 would probably have been a better option.
For Mod Y, shining will have 1012 atk on skill so her hps is around ~ 415. The values are simillar so we won't focus on that. The real killer goes for the bonus effect. Targets in range get a 100% defense increase so she buffs targets in range by a whole 200 defense or 280 against ground targets (the ones that matter) This is a whole layer of mitigation for targets that would be much more relevant than mediocre cycle increase that doesnt even make her cycling better than undeployment.
Once again, mod Y wins in usability.

[ivory leaf]

Should I replace exusai for Kroos?

[viscid mist]

In conclusion, shining mod X effects look good in theory but are absolutely mediocre in pratice, making the module completely irrelevant and reverse powercrept by a module we considered underwhelming on release. Once again, as i said earlier, i see no world where there's an argument for using Mod X over mod Y for shining.

If you view any inconsistencies on my argument feel free to show them

[foggy grove]

why lol

exu>>>kroos

[viscid mist]

😇

[ivory leaf]

Too expensive

[glass monolith]

I personally use only Kroos alter but i am biased kokodayo enjoyer and Kroos alter is reason i started this game because simp. Also i prefer using lower rarities for self ego reasons.
I think S3 Exu is still better buff sponge, but Kroos alter is both cheaper and viable replacement when there is no sources of attack speed down to negate Kroos gaining 4x hit on S2

[ivory leaf]

Wow

Kroos glint?

[glass monolith]

Well yea....

[ivory leaf]

Dam

[lethal dragon]

Smh

[ivory leaf]

Well I don't have glint

[glass monolith]

Wait you want to run 3* Kroos instead Exu?

[foggy grove]

lmao

[glass monolith]

Too much copium

[ivory leaf]

I'm just asking if I should😔

[foggy grove]

they are expensive for a reason

[ivory leaf]

I didn't mean that I'm literally gonna change it

[glass monolith]

Exu skills sorta stronger, not sure Kroos coping to roll talent crit on skill activation help you much

[ivory leaf]

Okeh

I'll just keep exu

[limpid siren]

@shell arch are you bothering people about aspd again

[ivory leaf]

Is Pallas a decent unit?

[glass monolith]

Lane holder, just decent. Overpowered with S1 and specific IS relic

[mint jolt]

Pallas if buffed can shred?

[ivory leaf]

Wkw

I got lucky

Was randomly pulling

[shell arch]

Honestly i see none. Thanks for pointing out my mistakes

[glass monolith]

Ending 2 in IS2 when pallas is just being deployed on boss and stage is over

[ivory leaf]

Is Pallas worth Leveling up?

[shell arch]

I forgor that the extra def on s2 does not disappear once her shield is gone

I'm still trying to comprehend the s3 part though

[shell arch]

No, I'm bothering people about which shining mod to mod3 from yesterday's discussion only to find out the other mod i advocate is better

[viscid mist]

my main take from s2 is that you get the same from undeploying shining as keeping her on the field with the other module, while mod Y on skill effects are better

you will have to wait 75 seconds for shining on the field to recharge
shining ofsskill is agressively useless

you gain more from taking her out and deploying an unit that does something instead

[shell arch]

Honestly that's impressive. But from my personal experience of using shining, she's my main source of heal and i would never redeploy her to practically reduce s3 uptime

But that's probably it

[viscid mist]

i think that's were the problem lies, shining is not a main healer

You probably have other sources of healing that arent medics or your operators have self sustain

so you think shining is doing a good job

[glass monolith]

I avoid giving alot of "worth/not worth" tips because my personal opinion can be greatly wrong
She is not one of units who win game by existing like Mlynar, Surtr etc.
But she can easily hold easy enemies without any help due heal, provide support from behind other characters, S2 for stun copium i used on one single CC daily and never again

[viscid mist]

while she's actually not doing anything noteworthy

[ivory leaf]

As long as you don't purposely give wrong information that's fine for me

[noble pewter]

i think the shining mod that gives passive def is cool cause if u give skalter more def with it, skalter s2 recycles it n gives it again to everyone nearby

[viscid mist]

that's something i didn't bring up while analysing both modules but it's a decent argument

[shell arch]

Agree with this and had pointed out why you should do phy y if you have skalter

[viscid mist]

if in a vaccum mod Y performs better

this only shows how bad mod X is

If you really have shining as your only medic source and you need to spam s3, s2 would probably have suficed

[shell arch]

I guess I'll try not using shining for once in a while

[viscid mist]

[shell arch]

Anyway that's honestly an impressive and easily understandable essay

Thanks for taking your time to make that

I really appreciate it

How long did it take?

[viscid mist]

🫡 i always thought shining mod Y was superior but i never bothered to check out the actual numbers so it was insightful for me too

from start to finish it took an hour but i spent more than 15 minutes trying to figure out how to calculate atk interval

until igneus told me i don't need to use clamp

(i still don't know how to use clamp function)

[shell arch]

I don't even know what's clamp function is

Or even want to know what is that

[shell arch]

dies of math

[glass monolith]

Wait.... We are getting chapter 13 BEFORE DoS?

[viscid mist]

no

tfw is 2 weeks before ch 13

thats how it works

this means ch13 will be AFTER 16 of april

dos may very well be within tfw pre ch-13 duration

as it's not a big event

[spark sinew]

if you want short answer: no

||(but if you do, she's currently bis in exp factory in base) ||

even on her release she wasn't that great

and nowadays, definitely not holding up well enough (or has enough niche applications)

[shell arch]

Sallad really wants not to get attacked nor blocking enemies for maximum dmg

[viscid mist]

wouldn't bis exp be scene

[shell arch]

Whereas you can deploy chungus balze mwynaw who doesn't give a crap and is already on ideal conditions on deploy/easily achievable

[glass monolith]

Pallas S2 + Manticore S1 + Indigo S2 as malmart Mostima

[shell arch]

Bis exp is e2 scene
2nd bis exp is sallad and ceobe
Ceobe has windup requirement so sallad wins

[viscid mist]

y

[spark sinew]

yeah i meant she's part of the BestInSlotfactory setup, not clear ig

although in this case you wouldn't call scene bis exp either, she's eugh without vermeil

[viscid mist]

oh so ceobe is still better than exec alter

[shell arch]

Idk whether if exalter changes anything about the top 3 bis exp vermeil though

[viscid mist]

exec is 38% fixed

[spark sinew]

exec is just downgraded pallas

[shell arch]

Isn't that like 2% better than ceobe if she doesn't last longer than 3 hours

[spark sinew]

reverse powercreep

[shell arch]

Did virtuosa add anything to exalter prod?

[viscid mist]

no

[shell arch]

Forgor to check virtuosa base skill

[viscid mist]

because exealter skill and virtuosa skill have nothing to do with each other

virtuosa is a dorm worker and she works with exodia

exec is just a generic exp worker

[shell arch]

exodia
Ight imma head out ♿

Not nerd enough to dig the riic iceberg

Speaking of riic iceberg

Hauckindu where is the riic iceberg picture

[spark sinew]

you didn't dm me in a week

so i forgot

[shell arch]

[limpid siren]

the term clamp is just used to describe the minimum and maximum value for a given input

in the case of aspd the minimum is 20, and the maximum is 600

[shell arch]

So maximum aspd is 600?

[limpid siren]

yea

[shell arch]

So why ingot aspd relic capped at 500?

[lapis hornet]

500+100

[limpid siren]

you start at 100

[shell arch]

thanks

[lapis hornet]

i find the shining mod debate kinda weird tbh

likes does anyone even care about shining to mod

and if you do care you probs know already which one you want

[shell arch]

I mean we get questions on #help about that from time to time

12 module blocks, 300k lmdeeznuts, and 9 t5 mats aren't a joke

[limpid siren]

you get the same questions about saria mod tbh

[lapis hornet]

I'd just tell them not to mod unless you can't stand empty square lol

[limpid siren]

honestly that's a good chunk of why i mod some 5*s

[shell arch]

Saria mod is easier to explain
Assuming s1m3 p1 lvl90, award gives more heals than boxing gloves when her talent is at full windup

And award gives 15% self dr which is good for defenders. Boxing gloves gives cringe 2sp

[limpid siren]

sure it's easier to explain, but it's still a common question

and it kinda always will be with 6*s

because 2 mods moment

[lapis hornet]

i don't like looking at mods as a paper performance thing tbh

[shell arch]

Shining's one is a bit different

Module difference doesn't appear to naked eye

As satori said, phy x may look better in paper. But phy y is apparently better in practicality

[lapis hornet]

no like

[shell arch]

But yeah, thanks for humoring me, guys. I couldn't do all of this by myself

[lapis hornet]

which one is phy y anyway the one that gives more def?

or the one with faster cycle?

[shell arch]

Phy x is skill based
Phy y is more def

[lapis hornet]

okay so intuitively y seems to make more sense to me too right

and it's the one I went with

but there's definitely situations were x gonna be better

an example that comes to mind is uh in pinchout

[shell arch]

Well it's the one that improves her niche, yeah

[lapis hornet]

when the fast cycle could actually have helped if we've had it

that's why I'm not rly fan of modding just for sake of modding

I'd rather mod when you need it

[shell arch]

Truege but when i answer "modless shining", they usually come with "okay but what if I'm at a gunpoint and needed to mod3 one of them"

[limpid siren]

play 5* only so you don't need to wait for second module

[lapis hornet]

I'd say get y mod1 and bail

I promise there's actually no one holding a gun to the guy's head and telling him to mod3

[shell arch]

But what if there is?!?!

[glass monolith]

Shit i lowered gun for one second and see what this guy telling you already

Can't take a break

[lapis hornet]

if there is I think he needs the police more than ako help tbh

[viscid raft]

Giving ASPD buffs on Goldenglow on SSS is so fun

[shell arch]

It's fun and stuffs until snipers fucked up your ground carry

[viscid raft]

im not that far into it so im enjoying it

[glass monolith]

Sounds like floor 1 moment

[ivory leaf]

Cough

What should I use S1 ptil or S2

[drowsy jewel]

S2 and it's not close

[ivory leaf]

Wym?

[cosmic thicket]

normally S2, S1 only if you need faster rotations

[ivory leaf]

Ohh

[scarlet mortar]

bring S2 and swap back if you need to

[waxen swan]

Nobody use her s1 tho

[ivory leaf]

I do

[waxen swan]

That's a u problem

[ivory leaf]

I just can't decide between the two

[scarlet mortar]

not like this is a hard consideration when naturally S1L7 coexists with S2M3

[limpid siren]

i'd just use a different medic if you need a faster skill cycle

[cosmic thicket]

my friend has her m6 so it's safe to say he uses both

[ivory leaf]

Okay S2 ptil

[waxen swan]

I dont even use her for healing anymore

[ivory leaf]

Thanks

[lapis hornet]

it's a combination of everything

like who's got fast cycle with mitigation

other than silence

but then you'd have to build silence

[limpid siren]

that's why you build silence

[spark sinew]

do you want to explain it to other people

[glass monolith]

Instruction unclear, built silence alter

[limpid siren]

[shell arch]

In 3 hours maybe. I'm in a middle of something

[spark sinew]

it's fine, I'll just drop you a link

[ivory leaf]

RAHHHH

Finally I got my hoshi e1

[limpid siren]

💪

[ivory leaf]

Okay now I need tank

I could either use silverash for sub until I get another tank or Matterhorn or ash lock

[spark sinew]

people mastery ptilo?

i think i used s1 a bit
faster rotation and all

not really relevant outside of IS though

[glass monolith]

If only S2 were reducing SP cost or idk

[humble trout]

I need thorns as support, if anyone wants to help me just reply your id, ill add u rn

[spark sinew]

idr if i have you added

[glass monolith]

Heal heals faster on m3 is neat, but like it only increase her cycle by increasing duration with same SP cost. Not like i care much. But if i use Ptilo for Talulah fights then mastery adds layout of stalling for cycle

[spark sinew]

already done with that surtr? never replied to me

[scarlet mortar]

ngl nowadays we're kinda past using medics to good extents

but a year or sth ago yh

[humble trout]

Do u have thorns Hauchikindu

[scarlet mortar]

ptilo's a pretty common raise so might as well put a mastery on that burst healing

[spark sinew]

my impression was that people just didn't bother with masterying s2

back...then

sl7 ptilo was very common sight

[limpid siren]

this has been fairly true for a long time tbh

[scarlet mortar]

ehh depends on the person

[waxen swan]

We kinda are

[limpid siren]

medics shore up the weaknesses of younger rosters

or for people that play bad teams on purpose

[waxen swan]

Or lazy people

[spark sinew]

even with bad teams

[foggy grove]

i don't use one this entire event yeah

[spark sinew]

for like most content you can use kal solo healer or something

[scarlet mortar]

outside AKO that's just called playing until you find someone interesting once in a decade

[spark sinew]

instead of using a slot for a dedicated healer

[scarlet mortar]

everyone and their mother is a delete button anw

[spark sinew]

they do make your clears much more comfier though (or at least eyja does)

[limpid siren]

outside ako i get to talk to people that don't look at me weird for having a maxed silence

[waxen swan]

Eyja really shit on every other medic

[scarlet mortar]

i only have two properly raised medics, reed2 and NG

reed2 plays caster and i haven't touched NG since idk CC#7

so that's cool

[spark sinew]

i raised plenty but there's just no reason to use them

so fun

[limpid siren]

play 5* only

[spark sinew]

god have mercy I'm not gonna module some 5* that I don't like

[scarlet mortar]

ig if you count skalter as a medic i've been using medics

[waxen swan]

If only medic do more than just being medic

[limpid siren]

corrupted skadi is just discount lv90

[scarlet mortar]

discount atk pot

[limpid siren]

60 -> 90 is usually +/- an atk pot

if you cared about pots you'd be raising units to max

[scarlet mortar]

yh i mean my main gang's already max

[foggy grove]

i only use skalter if i'm bringing chungus else i forget she exist

[scarlet mortar]

so that'd be an atk pot

[waxen swan]

Skalter felt off fr fr

[foggy grove]

she isn't doing much for me

[scarlet mortar]

i optimize her out when i can so i don't disagree

she's the same as medics for me anw

qol until i need an actual medic (usually in content i don't care for)

[ivory leaf]

Silver ash,Matterhorn,Ashlock

Who should I use? (Im missing a tank and idk who to choose)

[foggy grove]

what other options do you have

matter is bad

[ivory leaf]

Well hm

[foggy grove]

ashlock is not a tank either

[ivory leaf]

Wait I thought she was

Well nvm

[sullen rover]

[ivory leaf]

Silver ash we go

[spark sinew]

sa is also not really a tank

especially early on, block 3 is more important

which you seem to be

what are you trying to do
raise Spot or something

[craggy turret]

CV-EX-8 trimmed...

Is the only way to do it gonna be stall strat?

[vocal leaf]

where cuora or bubble? matterhorn is more like an arts tank

[foggy grove]

no

[spark sinew]

just burst him

you're aware of the wrong TL i hope

[foggy grove]

burst him while vent is on

[spark sinew]

stall strat wouldn't work anyway

the vent doesn't do that much damage

[foggy grove]

i tried funi saria stainless

i can stall for long

[craggy turret]

Hoshi + lumen go brrr

[spark sinew]

damn i keep forgetting stainless

[astral cosmos]

Bison + a morbillion medics go brrrr

[craggy turret]

Everyone does

[spark sinew]

hoshi shining skalter work, idk if it's reliant on the dodge

i think AH also work

[craggy turret]

That's how kyo did it

[spark sinew]

damn, like going to the past

[foggy grove]

but like just burst it fr

[craggy turret]

I don't have shining or skalter tho so

[craggy turret]

Mly + Typhon enough?

[foggy grove]

sure

[craggy turret]

Second phase is way more tanky

[vocal leaf]

what about shamare and mousse?

[tidal sedge]

are there any other strats for CV-EX-8 CM mode other than afk and stall?
i kept struggling with phase 2 badly due to actual skill issues

[craggy turret]

Neither are leveled

[spark sinew]

mly alone is enough i think

[craggy turret]

Show ops

[spark sinew]

you can use afk strat but use good skills and ops

[craggy turret]

Could lee stall cliff

[spark sinew]

active skills are usually stronger, with the caveat of them having downtime. AFK guides need to nerf their own power level to be...afk

[tidal sedge]

i tried to follow some strats but i always lost to phase 2

[glass monolith]

How exactly dodging stun will help with 11232 damage?

[craggy turret]

He won't get stunned

[spark sinew]

doesn't typhon just kill both phases of the cliff

[glass monolith]

only under vent

and i think it takes next to entire S3 each phase, but could be wrong

[craggy turret]

She couldn't exactly get phase 2 on normal mode, had to get uncles help

Tho, might be cuz I'm on M2 so

[tidal sedge]

i could only kill him in phase one on the lane above
tried to burst down with support mlynar but cliff killed him before he could even burst down

[spark sinew]

she 100% kills phase 1 yeah. just use the mechanic wasnt talking to you but oh well

I'm not sure what guides usually show, but i assume you know how he doesn't dash if he kills Spalter, right

[craggy turret]

Also, left side

[spark sinew]

if you want to borrow to help you burst, you could borrow ceobe probably

silence alter (s2) should also help a bit, if you have a room for her

to survive regular attacks from Cliff

[tidal sedge]

i don’t have any ceobe support on though

only mlynar

[glass monolith]

With module stage 3 (Yes, i did quick maths, it need to be stage 3) Ptilo Silence alter S2M3 has fast enough cycle to always be up for Cliff skill
And then CM just reduce CD by 12 second lmao kek (dies to being gunned down)

[tidal sedge]

though is e1 lvl80 hoshi able to hold off cliff with medics?

[celest bluff]

Fuck

The CC but not CC UI is here to stay

Please don't be another +1000% hp tag

[glass monolith]

If you vent Cliff - he is much more easier to tank

Which is something i plan to NOT do

[spark sinew]

in your case, you should tank him with spalter

"tank"

aka stall long enough to nuke him

[tidal sedge]

hm then with all of the above operators i have, what team should i go with?
to burst him down + stall i mean

[spark sinew]

qb reedic texas should do it i think
add everyone else to deal with the rest

[tidal sedge]

qiubai s3 or?

[spark sinew]

s2 reed s2 texas
proc everything after he used skill and during the vent discharge
yeah qb3

[tidal sedge]

alright

[spark sinew]

amigo, are you typing shining essay

you already should be typing saria one

[sullen rover]

hauckindu are you typing is4 yato solo guide essay soon

[spark sinew]

wrong chat though

[tidal sedge]

would this work?

[cosmic thicket]

for EX-8 CM?

[sullen rover]

id be surprise if it doesnt

[cosmic thicket]

prefer goldenglow S3, idk what ling is doing

[spark sinew]

do use practice plans first

what's ng s2 for 🤔

[sullen rover]

afk 😱
but not actually

[cosmic thicket]

I mean what's NG for

the only thing i see her useful for is the cages

[spark sinew]

sure but let's go one step at a time

[tidal sedge]

then should i replace ling with someone else to tank or dps?

[cosmic thicket]

who's laneholding left/right sides

[grave thistle]

I guess Ling is for extra ground units to stall Cliff

[smoky halo]

use mosti or smthing if u wanna stall

[cosmic thicket]

stalling phase 2 is kinda skull

[spark sinew]

do not stall cliff like that

[tidal sedge]

i was going to use lin cause the previous test runs, she hold off the range enemies well (before getting killed by cliff in phase 2)

[cosmic thicket]

stalling phase 1 idk if it's needed

[grave thistle]

Lin is enough for left lane before Cliff phase 2

[smoky halo]

sutrtur stalls for 8s

[spark sinew]

they have spalter

[celest bluff]

I use Hoshi to tank in unfortunately Clift can stun her and walk away

[smoky halo]

hoshi doesnt survive

[cosmic thicket]

a mildly funny thing i found is a dualstrike guard constantly hitting a vent almost perfectly cycles with phase 2 cliff skill cycle on CM, but you're probably better off with conventional strategies

[smoky halo]

not by herself i mean

[celest bluff]

She survive

[smoky halo]

wow cutter op

[smoky halo]

phase 2 ?

[celest bluff]

Yes

[cosmic thicket]

it's a difference of like 1 or 2 frames each cycle or smth

[smoky halo]

is this with an abjurer or smthing

[celest bluff]

No

[spark sinew]

in cm?

[celest bluff]

Just 2 medic

[smoky halo]

how is hoshi surviving 11k totl dmg

[celest bluff]

Yes

[cosmic thicket]

vent gaming?

[celest bluff]

Yes

[smoky halo]

bruh

[cosmic thicket]

oh

[spark sinew]

ik skalter shining do fine ish but i only did this in normal

did ah for cm

[grave thistle]

Surtr hospital but replace Surtr with Hoshi

[smoky halo]

vent 🥱

[celest bluff]

I have yato s2 to slap the vent

[smoky halo]

beanstalk tanks without vent 🥱

[sullen rover]

vent?

[glass monolith]

What one must say when dying to Clif?
That really vent out of control

[smoky halo]

kick guro i saw him vent

[sullen rover]

ඞ

[grave thistle]

Out

[celest bluff]

But the problem is yeah, he stun hoshi then walk away

[smoky halo]

go away

fuck that

[celest bluff]

She survived yes, but no one else gonna does

[glass monolith]

Purestream time

[spark sinew]

damn my FL is too good so i don't have typhon to borrow

[smoky halo]

they all skipped for degen

[spark sinew]

but yeah i'm not sure what she's doing there
it feels like combining two strats

[spark sinew]

i think they skipped typhon for being too op

[foggy grove]

you have a good friend

coldshot>>typhon

[spark sinew]

you can tell by the art

[smoky halo]

frfr

[spark sinew]

quite bigger

[tidal sedge]

ah it works thank you for the help

[spark sinew]

ah, nice

i just found a typhon to test but ig it's not needed now

[celest bluff]

Imagine clearing the CM stage but you see you have 3 life point instead of 1 when the mission accomplished show up

[spark sinew]

amigo got taken down by saria mod X cult

rip

[tidal sedge]

happened once to me during GH-EX-8

false hope

[shell arch]

Saria e2 lvl90 maxtrust p1 has an atk of: 485 (base), 50 (trust). 535 in total

Mod3 X (boxing gloves): +70 atk, 15% extra heal when target is below 50% hp. Assuming saria is using S1, target will always receive extra healing

Mod3 Y (award): +50 atk. For every 18 seconds, 7% atk instead of 5%. 5 max stacks, 35% atk increase in total

Boxing gloves on s1m3 :((535 + 70) x 125% from BASIC talent) x 180% (skill) x 115% (basic mod improvement)= 1565 heal per skill activation

Award on s1m3 = ((535+50) x 135% from IMPROVED talent) x 180% (skill) = 1422

Apparently boxing gloves heal harder

[smoky halo]

[shell arch]

But it's like 140 heal difference per skill activation. Y makes her way more tankier than X improvement

[spark sinew]

now tell that to the server i sent you
without mentioning me, obv

btw is this p5 or below

[shell arch]

P1

[spark sinew]

so it's even bigger diff on p5

right

[shell arch]

It should be the same

[spark sinew]

in favor of X

oh?

the talent is just a "buff", not a base stat one? i'm asking because idk

[shell arch]

P1 = 25% atk vs 35% atk
P5 = 30% atk vs 40% atk

Both is 10% diff

Then it won't make any difference between p1 and p5

[spark sinew]

yeah but this 15% more healing on X would make the attack buff "more" than the raw attack-> healing she gets from Y?

messy wording

[shell arch]

Y gives none but 10% more atk than X
But Y base atk is 20 atk lower than X

605 vs 585 atk
Mod X vs Mod Y

[spark sinew]

also what kinda pervert mod3x saria

[shell arch]

Mod X gives: 25% atk, 15% more healing
Mod Y gives: 35% atk. Ignoring dmg reduction since we're only calc heal

[spark sinew]

yeah and the "more healing" part doesn't make gains from p5 bigger for X, compared to Y?

[shell arch]

It does

[vivid rain]

Wait so in the end which one is more useful

[spark sinew]

Y

well depends on who you ask

[vivid rain]

Oh ok

[spark sinew]

i'm telling you Y
some people would kill themselves before conceding this point

[shell arch]

Mod Y

X gives about 140 more heals but Y makes her way more tankier

[spark sinew]

and would defend X until they die

except they have no arguments besides "it's better"

[vivid rain]

Yeah her sp talent seems kinda weirdge to me

[shell arch]

Honestly 140 more heal is quite negligible

[spark sinew]

i still think it's mainly sunk cost that makes them say so

because it's mainly cn server peeps

[civic bear]

i wish x is straight up useless 😔 too bad it can come up sometime which means its both mod for me

[spark sinew]

but cn in general also shilled X more so idk

[shell arch]

Let me check how much tankier is saria between mod x and y real quick

[spark sinew]

if you go for mod2x it's -10 attack, huh

[shell arch]

Yeah mod2x is -10 atk

Only rhinelabknights nerd would mod3x

[spark sinew]

what would you battery though

[shell arch]

Good question

Most rhinelabknights are ranged so they would probably die to real threats when getting hit

[spark sinew]

(do not mention ifrit s3)

because this would imply them using saria s2

[shell arch]

Ifrit s3

I mean if you're doing mod X for more heal than Y

You're using s2 anyway

[spark sinew]

it would heal less, yes

because s2 won't always heal below 50% hp

[shell arch]

Also s2 (and s3) heals when allies are chipped
Unlike s1 which needs the target to be below 50% hp

Modless saria:
595 + 60 = 655 def
3150 hp (no hp trust bonus)
Mod X : 655 def (no def mod bonus), 3500 hp
Mod Y: 705 def, 3370hp

When first talent is at max stack:

Mod X: 819 def
Mod Y: 952 def

That's like 141 def difference

Mod X has 143 more heal and 141 less def than Mod Y

Holy shit

That's like 2 dmg mitigation difference between mod X and Y against physical attack

[spark sinew]

did you forget 15% dr

[shell arch]

Oh yeah i definitely forgor

[spark sinew]

or it was supposed to be a grandiose reveal

mfw

[shell arch]

My calc reveals me this

Mod Y is better

Tldr
Mod X is better when she's sustaining an ally (143 more heal)
Mod Y is better when she's tanking (141 more def + 15% self dmg reduction)

Using saria for sustain than tanking is quite a bit questionable though

Like

1. Why
2. Where's medics

[spark sinew]

eh i use saria for that

but also mod blocks are very limited

you might as well invest into more universal module

[shell arch]

True

How impactful is 2sp per heal anyway?

Like, the only situation i can think of are either:

poison haze & use s2

Or bird memephisto singer and use s3 so every allies will gain quick skill uptime

And also I haven't taken shu to consideration

[karmic glade]

lin w, maybe I would exchange lin with the 6 star selection

[limpid siren]

Peanuts

[karmic glade]

When you do mod mission and you use walf S2 + saria S3 to charge SP

[trim flare]

Ah I got so close on is4 boss but I lost the dps check in the end : (

[glass monolith]

Guess we will die

SEABORN CC HAS COME AGAIN

[jovial nest]

Goddamn....getting that Ed3 took a long while. But I'm so glad I got to experience that difficulty.

[lapis hornet]

for medal do you actually need to last hit with vent or just taking vent dmg around when they die is ok

[vocal leaf]

kill while vent is active

[lapis hornet]

kk ty

[glass monolith]

Medal is mistranslation. Original text is Kill while he is debuffed by vent. Debuff last extra second after vent turn off and 2 vents in middle is easy to cycle with stuff like Ethan

Well. Easy part of my plan is done. Now to the fun stuff

[livid delta]

Can you stall with shamare mod1 + silence alt s2 + stainless s3 + quartz

[deft badger]

... did u unfriend me again

[spark sinew]

ping me again and i will

[glass monolith]

Well there is alot of ways to stall. But i am gonig for most degenerate one

[spark sinew]

but also, take a guess

[soft crystal]

Lin kinda good in here

Vents just give her free sp

[livid delta]

I'm just asking if she survives lol

[glass monolith]

Meth yourself i am trying to get EX going

[vocal leaf]

i always trust reed and friends 🔥

[glass monolith]

@vernal lion 6592 > 11232. If i do nothing Cliff should kill her on third activation because i don't heal enough. But i can just activate Silence alter S2 every 2nd Cliff skill. Quartz W

[worldly shoal]

you are not immune to abyssal hunters

[cunning river]

How come the worst bosses are always the fucking sankta

How do you stop Clip from one shotting literally everyone

[earnest geode]

Some ways tho

Suzuran

Or medics with high defense ops

[cunning river]

Not true

[earnest geode]

There are still other ways

[cunning river]

Had Eyja Alter with Saria and Mudrock

All three got one shotted

[earnest geode]

My way

[cunning river]

I don't have either Mlynar or Reed

[earnest geode]

I avoid the adjacent tiles tho

My reed was use to clear the previous enemies

Try to borrow mlynar tho

And change reed to other medic

[cunning river]

Also I have no idea how you're supposed to handle the rush that comes at you from the left side

[cunning river]

My roster should be able to handle this without borrowing

[earnest geode]

I use saria to block left while blaze(in case u didn’t see her) to block the other

[cunning river]

Yeah I didn't see her

[earnest geode]

Then I put reed and nightingale to heal them

While hoshi and some medic block the boss at top

Until all enemies are done

My own way tho

[cyan gorge]

Spalter, Silence alter, atk debuffers (Mousse/Shamare)

[cunning river]

Okay I have officially zero idea how you're supposed to beat this guy

I either have none of those or I have them unraised

And I'm broke

[cyan gorge]

Alternative is Hoshi hospital and pray

[cunning river]

Man

[earnest geode]

Indeed

[cunning river]

They can't make a good boss if their lives were on the line

[cyan gorge]

My clear was Surtr + Mlynar + Saria s3 but Silence2 was necessary to allow Mlynar to survive

[cunning river]

I have Silence Alter, but again, she's completely unraised

And I'm completely out of resources

[cyan gorge]

I have her on support for a reason

[cunning river]

I'm kinda at a loss because what are you supposed to do against this guy?

He's like Degen and the Guiding Ahead boss' lovechild

And that's not a good thing

[earnest geode]

I thought the boss was hard to beat at the first

But then watch some guide and start to make a plan

[cunning river]

Man this sucks

All the guides I can find use multiple characters that I either don't have or can't raise

[cyan gorge]

Vent abuse

[cunning river]

Does he even take any damage from the vents?

I tried but it didn't seem to do much at all

Also

He moves really fast

[foggy grove]

Vent debuff his atk and def

-70%

[cunning river]

Pretty sure he was on an active went when he one shot like 3 of my ops in a row

[deft badger]

spalter

or u kill him before he even gets to

[cunning river]

Don't have her

Also don't have her on my list

[deft badger]

do u have warf?

warf not shamare...

warf with typhon

[cunning river]

No

Warfarin is unraised and I'm out of resources

[deft badger]

what do u have>

[cunning river]

A lot of units

And I'm looking at all of them and feeling like none of them work for this

[deft badger]

surtr?

nvm i found ur krooster

eyja s2 can hold left side, kal monster mid, then i would borrow typhon s3m3 bring that surtr and skalter schwarz

typhon schwarz to push him in to p2 before that rocket boy spawns

then finish him with surtr typhon

will work on normal and cm

on spawn kill

[turbid badge]

carnelinus

[cunning river]

Okay one last time before I drop it for the day

Any more ideas?

[deft badger]

imagine that ifrit is schwarz 😄

wasn't able to find one in my FL lol

[cunning river]

Is that M3, cause pretty sure my Schwarz isn't M3

nevermind she is

[deft badger]

doesn't matter she gives typhon atk

[cunning river]

Typhone S3?

[deft badger]

typhon will kill him even faster then i did in that thing

yes

[cunning river]

It doesn't seem to do much damage at lvl7 tbh

I tried it already

[deft badger]

borrow one

m3

buff her with skalter u have schwarz as well

use surtr just don't know how u will handle vents

[cunning river]

Okay, I'll give it a try

I have Texalter so maybe that can work

The vents do seem to do nothing to him thouth tbh

[deft badger]

its just push him fast in p2

so that he moves before that rocket launcher spawn

or typhon will shot him and not cliff xD

p2 easy typhon and surtr will kill him, that was on cm btw he dies on normal 100% u might strugle a bit on cm

[deft badger]

they reduce his def

[cunning river]

Can't find an M3 Typhon on support

[deft badger]

add me

let me kick someone first

[cunning river]

What's your handle

[deft badger]

Kishin#7146

[cunning river]

Sent

Wait, no you still have your list full lol

[deft badger]

i have one free now

send again 😄

did kick one

[cunning river]

Still says you're at friend limit

[deft badger]

give me ur tag i am going to add u

[cunning river]

Lancer#8000

[deft badger]

sent

[cunning river]

There it is

It ain't working out

[deft badger]

did u push him in to p2 on spawn?

[turbid badge]

lancer...

[cunning river]

Yes

[turbid badge]

whats happening

why he not ded

[cunning river]

Might've been an issue of mistiming, but also the damage wasn't there

[cunning river]

Cause he's bullshit

[turbid badge]

you can always add more damage

you have helidrops?

consider bringing another one to clean up the boss, with your 6* roster it shouldn't be that bad honestly

[cunning river]

Helidrops do nothing

He kills them instantly

[turbid badge]

[cunning river]

As in, "drops in", "dead buzzer"

[timid spade]

Gravel is really effective at triggering the vents quickly, might be able to kill him if you reduce his def for a bit longer

[turbid badge]

ah

[timid spade]

Just don't deploy her near his range or he'll start teleporting. Drop her on the other side of the vents away from him

[turbid badge]

just try to utilize the vents i guess

his range is the same as lin s3 btw

[timid spade]

Honestly though, this boss sucks ass lol
Can't block him effectively, can't use ranged units to kill him effectively, can't burst him too quickly... Really annoying

[turbid badge]

i really enjoyed the boss, i havent tried cm though

we'll see how bad it is from there

[deft badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfNCaXboLro&ab_channel=TheUnknownM

[timid spade]

CM was a pain for me, had to use eckogen guide. At least his guide is pretty good, but not low end so won't help newbies too much

[deft badger]

btw even if he survives, let surtr w8 for him on bot

he is not going to survive her a 2nd time

[turbid badge]

i find perm. atk buffs better for typhon s3

warf doesn't cut it for the full duration cuz typhon's aspd gets shanked

ex. stainless, schwarz

just a tip

[deft badger]

she 3 shots him anyway with vent warf skalter

but lancer doesn't have warf

[turbid badge]

mhm

[deft badger]

i guess he is struggling to activate vents

i have yato to drop there don't know what he can use but i guess texas s3

can do the same like yato

[timid spade]

If you drop anything near him he'll just one shot them and teleport

Yato S3 works cause invul, but that's it

[deft badger]

i am talking about vents

[timid spade]

Ah, then yeah

Gravel though

2 hits per attack

[cyan gorge]

Ethan s1

[deft badger]

it has to go on when he moves from left to right

and the problem is that those guys start moving at that moment as well

so he can activate it with s3 texas

and do it like this with surtr

if he survives despawn everything mid, move the camp to the right

and let surtr 1v1 him here or mid lane

[cunning river]

Texalter doesn't work for the vents

Also don't know how much the venst are suppposed to help cause she doesn't do much to him in phase 2

[deft badger]

just with s3, s2 not because that dude will move in to her face and u need that other spot for surtr next to the vent or u place surtr in the lane if u are killing him fast enough in p1

[deft badger]

a lot i think they reduce over 40% def

70% def reduction

[timid spade]

The vents reduce his stats, it's not meant to damage him. You trigger the vent while you burst him down with surtr/typhon and they'll deal way more dmg

[cunning river]

So as you can see

It's still not working out

[deft badger]

despawn all of them

bome ur camp to the right now

eyja behind thorns

[timid spade]

From there you can probably just redeploy typhon and kill him tbh, he takes a while to walk around the stage

[deft badger]

remove all of those

place monster to the left

eyja behind thorns help thorns out with texas

and let him come mid

place surtr on blue, activate vent and kill him

[cunning river]

It did not work

[deft badger]

u didn't use surtr..

u can even now kill him

[foggy grove]

why is typhon just stand there lol

[deft badger]

use that typhon skill texas that guy who is about to go in

place surtr at blue box

use skill xD

nvm texas is on the left side, place surtr use typhone skill activate surtr

done

[cunning river]

Did exactly that and she couldn't kill him before she died

[deft badger]

do it again, just let this time surtr w8 for him on mid

use vents btw

u have chalter as well if u want even bring her in xD

[remote atlas]

They can follow the normal stage for CM. No change in strats required.

[vocal leaf]

how not?

[cunning river]

Finally beat it

Man this boss is not great

[deft badger]

bring chalter for cm xD

and again imagine my ifrit is ur schwarz lol

[digital rampart]

how do you deal with the boss in EX-8? he just one shots E2lvl60 Hoshiguma on skill 2...

[vocal leaf]

if you want to block him you need some supports, like shining stainless… or debuff his attack with mousse/shamare

[deft badger]

ofc he is going to 1 hit her when she doesn't have any def xD

[digital rampart]

oh, btw, this Hoshi had Shining s3

[vocal leaf]

then add more buffs/debuffs

i tanked him with saria

[deft badger]

how did minus menage to place stainless turrets btw?

[digital rampart]

alright, i guess i'll add Shamere and see if this is enough for Hoshi to tank

[vocal leaf]

if you’re blocking him you should also use reed s2, she not only does damage and heal, she also reduce 20% attack

[digital rampart]

oh, i'll try that for CM, normal EX-8 worked now with shamere debuff ty

[celest bluff]

I can sleep now

Texalt and Yato run around slap mobs and cebt

Vent

Passenger occasionally help

[digital rampart]

i've been trying CM, and god, wtf is this boss

[scarlet mortar]

nat 3k def be like

[celest bluff]

I use Surtr second time because I almost leak 3 mobs

[celest bluff]

Besiege sniper gaming

[deft badger]

lol... when i was talking about silence and surtr people told its not going to work
https://youtu.be/CXccsJyokPs?t=192

[vague solstice]

how do y'all deal with the snipers on cv-6 to get rid of the snipers

thinking of borrowing an unit and nuking them firsthand

~~ok nevermind i think i got it 😭 ~~

[clever kernel]

Fortunately

Almost all enemies is texasable

Except boss ofc

[glass monolith]

DoS announced.... Well shit

[scarlet mortar]

did you mean eos

[deft badger]

eos?

[glass monolith]

End of Surtring?

[deft badger]

why..? 😄

i thought about the game EoS...

[glass monolith]

I just cooked EX-8 CM without rarity abuse outside Stainless and silence alter for Quartz funny. I have no mental energy to rush event which is not even week long

Okay sorrt brain shortcut, UTC-7 on post made me think it was till 7th April

[deft badger]

btw how did u menage to place that turrets isn't he destroying them?

[glass monolith]

Uh.... Who destroyng?
Cliff does damage only to main target and stainless turret only die to self harm to begin with

[deft badger]

why did i think he is going to destroy them..

[glass monolith]

you got me thinking what if chapter 9 pillar is to fall on stainless turret, but i have IRL to do, bye

[deft badger]

bb

[flint apex]

hey guys any ideas on how i can farm enough to clear cv-ex-8? i checked some guides but it seems like they need 2 6 star OP at least which i do not have, i checked eckogen's guide but not sure if i can manage to farm that much, or rather who should i focus on

My available roster atm

[remote perch]

if u want resources fast, doing IS is always an option

if u can also just wait for the event rerun, no need to force yourself to finish it if u can't

[deft badger]

it can be done with some stalling but i am not really sure if u can deal with the ads and stall at the same time

[foggy grove]

kyo has guide with mlynar,it's a lot of stalling

[deft badger]

was watching it a hour ago... same thing again he did with SK

bring a lot of defenders

[glass monolith]

Good news. All stage enemies spawn in boss phase 1 (just second wave is delayed by like 2 minutes)
Bad news. You need to stall boss all that time

[deft badger]

and stall the hell out of it 😄

[scarlet mortar]

statstick bosses in this game are usually dealt with that way yh

there's always a way to stall an annoying enemy

[flint apex]

okay i just checked kyos vid i guess i gotta build one more defender like beagle, n up perfumer's level

i guess i can replace the duelist guard with silverash?

[glass monolith]

Duelist guard (also i know only Duelist defender which is 1 block, do you refer to Melanta type guards?) has 1 block, i don't know all context but sometimes having 1 block instead 2 is difference between be winning and -1 sanity/practice plan

If there any dangerous enemy passing by duelist guard, then silverash will block that enemy and likely die

[flint apex]

yea dang hmm let me try it out first before i build melantha, cause i might not have enough resources to farm melantha out

[tropic valve]

you can definitely clear it by borrowing a Schwarz

boss only has 3500 DEF

[glass monolith]

He has only 1 e2, i salute your sniper cat enthusiasm but he is as likely to die to normal mobs as to boss

[noble pewter]

Cirno must prove them wrong by publishing yt vid using those op n schwarz

[scarlet mortar]

crackpot idea, run gravel -> vent -> liskarm

infinite SP hack

[spark sinew]

oh ye you def want to build your base ops

maybe not exactly right now, but as soon as you're done with the event

[flint apex]

hmm i mean i can make archetto e2 instead if that helps, aside from exp n credits im only missing chips and manganese ore for her okay nvr mind i realise i have to farm out the purchase certs also

[tropic valve]

Archetto doesn't do that much in this event because of the high DEF enemies

[glass monolith]

Event gimmick is enemy gaining +20% DEF per each point of energy, and there is no energy shortage on EX-8

[tropic valve]

if anything, E2 Amiya or Astgenne would help more

[spark sinew]

oh they gain more def with energy as well, not just on overload?

[flint apex]

i know i so do haha the events got me in a rush but still having lotsa fun haha

[glass monolith]

Yes, it is not clearly explained outside of "enemy gain ATK, DEF from energy" in tutorial, but based on PRTS it is +10% ATK +20% DEF each energy

[flint apex]

aights thanks guys imma do some calculations n see if i can make the cut on resources or if i shud just use the sanity to farm out the event store instead

[spark sinew]

it's super badly explained indeed

explains a lot

[glass monolith]

Also if you breaking head over trim medal - damage from vent is mistranslation. It is while debuffed by vent

[scarlet mortar]

it's mentioned a single time in TR-1

none of the enemies have this clarified

the skullshatterer cosplay dudes are actually wimps without energy

as well as the axe guys

but give them energy and they start swinging

[glass monolith]

No energy: 400 ATK
On spawn energy: 1400 ATK

[scarlet mortar]

trol

[sleek wyvern]

Can someone let me use their mod 3 ceobe cuz I wanna use her against cliff and upcoming stages

[plain reef]

add me I'll put her up

[ivory leaf]

Here:)

Who to e2

[sly drift]

SA>Exu> Hoshi

This is just about what 2020 meta was

[spark sinew]

probably jaye/click

[novel zephyr]

Yall, is this enough to beat Talulah? Just need to upgrade amiya.

[spark sinew]

unless you have the mats for 6* already (and even then you should do 4*)

[ivory leaf]

Preparing on that

[sly drift]

Use fast redeploy to bait her skill

[spark sinew]

do that, then maybe raise base workers if you didn't already

[ivory leaf]

I think I'll go for jaye

[spark sinew]

i notice how all 3 6* are from the kernel
returnee?

[ivory leaf]

Yep

That's the only 6 stars (I think) that I got from pulling

Nvm I forgot I have pallas

[high warren]

D14 is3 ed1 boss phase 2 keep killing all my units

I'd -40% elem damage relic
(not sure if boss count as elemental dmg)

Had e2 eyja alter as only medic

Idk it happen 2 time in a row, I used to spawn camp in centre

Should I retreat all op before phase 1 end or just change bit in positioning

[spark sinew]

forget about elemental damage healing

do you have horn

[glass monolith]

Elemental damage has 2 states - too little to care, too much to heal
High difficulty is3 is second case.

[sleek wyvern]

Alr

[tropic valve]

I mean it's definitely doable just by borrowing a Schwarz, using the E2 Silverash, and a bunch of low rarity ops

I threw some of my practice plans of the day just now and got to 32/37

main issue is Schwarz is busy killing center lane so need a solution for left lane that doesn't use too many bodies

idk if I wanna make a video for it though, the stall is not that interesting

[sleek wyvern]

Done.

[noble pewter]

So sth like kyostinv but instead mlynar redeploying around we redeploy schwarz or silverash around?

[high warren]

No

[dark glade]

would you like to horn start

[high warren]

I use Texas alter support for start

[dark glade]

This looks rough with only pozy as good dps

[high warren]

Maybe I should cope with lower diff for grind rewards for now

[foggy grove]

d7 is all you need for reward,more than that is just for self challenge

[viscid raft]

@foggy grove I should use Texas instead of courier right

[heady surge]

Add me

[mossy ore]

where's your user tag

[turbid badge]

carne mod o[

[high warren]

What if I use eyja s2 instead

Eyja alter*

For elemental damage mitigation

[tropic valve]

idk haven't seen the kyo video for CV-EX-8

[foggy grove]

either way is fine, you already have e2 myrtle
you have higher prio intead of fussing about another vg

[turbid badge]

aaa

rocket guys stronk when yelow

[spark sinew]

i would def try and cope with horn start here btw raise purestream to e1 1

you can also raise shamare and tank the boss i suppose

with eyja outside the range of atspd debuff, ptilo and some dps, it should be fine

[spark sinew]

terrible tbh, i would use s3 instead

[pseudo plume]

I'm still new to arknight and i wanna know which ranged unit i should focus more in general content

[foggy grove]

may and kroos is fine

don't tell minus ambriel sucks

[glass monolith]

Totter is good in one in 1000 stage where invis enemy exist and not thicc boy rushing blue box

[glass monolith]

Does 420 no scope shot against 0 def sandbag

[foggy grove]

does ambriel hit the vent this event?

[glass monolith]

Just because it doesn't work every time, doesn't mean it is impossible to get value from it

Vent has 3000 def. she will attack vent over phase 2 boss without vent debuff

[foggy grove]

oh yeah pinecone is good for aoe depends on where you are

[spark sinew]

none of the ones you raised to e1

e1 verm and shira (i think) for base

then raise a kroos ig, depending

[echo herald]

Shira is nice b/c of the aoe slow effect.

[scarlet mortar]

they have 3k def, no

[shell arch]

Kroos may are cheap and relevant even in IS gamemode
Vermeil is one of the highest prod crafter in base but early on, her e1 gives about 76% when being paired with noir cuora
I forgor but i think shirayuki e1 is exp slave

Don't touch adnachiel. I genuinely think he's one of the worst unit in the game

Edited. I mistook cuora with bubble

[atomic monolith]

Attempt 13 or something

[spark sinew]

maybe deploy mlynar

three units for the right looks super wasteful as well, I'm pretty sure this team can just hold the middle

[pastel sandal]

Does Pramanix’ S2 stack with her fragility talent?

[foggy grove]

uh what
s2 is def/res shred

[glass monolith]

Fragility is multiplier to damage done, thing which you end up with after DEF/RES math

And her fragile at most will "deal" 1/10th of enemy healthbar, compared to Suzu/Gnosis just taking 1/3rd away during conditions of slow (during suzu s3)/freeze

[vernal lion]

sr bro is high

[glass monolith]

Seen my Quartz tanking EX-8 CM?

And no i am not activating Quartz S2 while everyone else in world is off skill

[vernal lion]

this boss is easy lol, just use Mousse

[foggy grove]

0 atk boss

[glass monolith]

What mousse?

[vernal lion]

now cope that in DOS

[spark sinew]

double abjurer ✝️

what's the story behind nearl

[vernal lion]

healingbuff

[south sage]

How much damage does Patriot's spear do in Chapter 7 CM?

I'm thinking of stalling Patriot using a tanky ranged op.

[shell arch]

Consider 12f

Wait i forgor if the one that stalls patriot is whether 12f or durin

[desert sphinx]

About 2160 in level 0
2700 in level 1

I dont khow any ranged ops can tank that much damage

[polar crane]

chalter

[cyan gorge]

Archetto shield

[spark sinew]

W
phalanx tanked the lvl0 one for sure

that was like
beeswax before the module

AH is another consideration do the math if they tank yourself though

patriot phase 2 is super squishy though, so nowadays you should just kill him with like, mly

[glass monolith]

In H7-4 my Warf tanked Patriot spear because he was debuffed by Shamare...
And then died to her own S2

[south sage]

Luck based tho, that's the problem.

I am not farming rng on CM.

[spark sinew]

you can describe your team if you want

but with any decent one patriot would be dead before the second throw nowadays i think

what's your borrow

[south sage]

For right side of enemies:
-Thorns, Hoshi, Silence.

For Patriot and the jetpack dudes:
-Cuora, Saria, Amiya, Shining, Nightingtale

Others:
Myrtle - DP generator.
Shaw - Tried to tank spear, but failed.
Matoimaru - For the mortar dudes.
Cardigan - Emergency stall.

[south sage]

As for borrow, trying not to.

I'm already confident with the level of my units.

[sly drift]

This should be enough actually

[south sage]

I just need some small advices so i can make my own.

[spark sinew]

do you have a dps unit

[south sage]

Btw, Level 1 is CM or no?

[south sage]

Amiya S3.

[spark sinew]

i should've been specific that's my bad
good dps unit second dps unit

[sly drift]

Use all mines and burst Patriot down. The stage is pretty much it. You need burst

[spark sinew]

for just killing phase 2

[desert sphinx]

No,level 1 is H7-4
Level 0 is still for 7-18,even in cm

[sly drift]

Maybe warfarin

[south sage]

Yeah, i did that.

Phase 1 was already easy.

[spark sinew]

holding right side is unneeded as well (and 3 units is overkill for it)

thorns can hold all the mobs easily (with some help)

[south sage]

The problem is Phase 2.

Patriot is not being targeted for some reason.

[spark sinew]

every enemy will come to the blue box anyway

[sly drift]

By who

Amiya s3?

[polar crane]

he lost the taunt on p2

[south sage]

Yup.

[sly drift]

Ah