strategy

[shell arch]

dies of no mobile data

Well gamepress made me die of no mobile data first so

[green gazelle]

Guys looks like I can't beat it I might just give up for now and jsut grind the grindstone level

[smoky halo]

pro maffer

[sly pivot]

broo winnable

[green gazelle]

Nah bro lack damage

[deft badger]

btw can that be done on EX?
https://youtu.be/Ot-UOIJTXI0?t=181

[sly pivot]

probably

[glass monolith]

Ex is just 11232 total damage compared to 7900-something

[scarlet mortar]

"just"

[glass monolith]

DR Quartz still suppose to survive by my math

[sly pivot]

does salter s3 work on enmity

or am i washed

[scarlet mortar]

should work

[glass monolith]

Boss died exactly on 6th shot out of 6 in video, EX cliff has +10 res and i don't know how much HP

[scarlet mortar]

abjurer range effects still apply to enmity, thry just can't heal them

[wicked viper]

EX cliff has ~50% more hp and atk

[shell arch]

Who's salter
We have like 3 different alters with s as their initial

[wicked viper]

silence alt

[sly pivot]

well just add more buffs

[glass monolith]

Loud

[shell arch]

Oh neat. Make it 4

[sullen rover]

saber alter

[grim elk]

Silencer

[deft badger]

btw why doesn't typhon sometimes take dmg when she uses her s3?

saw that couple times in IS and now in a normal stage

[glass monolith]

Why should she take damage when using S3?

[deft badger]

because target attacking her

[smoky halo]

maybe u have dodge relics

[glass monolith]

And i am fucking done with explaining to every IS player to check for dodge/shield relics

[smoky halo]

[deft badger]

it was out of IS now

cliff shot her she took 0 dmg xD

[smoky halo]

[deft badger]

its not the first time seeing it btw

[smoky halo]

vid?

[glass monolith]

What the fuck you did to have cliff attack her directly. Cliff under vent has -70% atk

[deft badger]

yesterday i was shooting UFOs in IS same thing happened

[scarlet mortar]

if she regains camo as you kill the stealth guy the shot will miss btw

[smoky halo]

didnt know that

[deft badger]

ok, what happened to cliffs shot then

[scarlet mortar]

i mean it happened on highmore, kroos and skalter by now

[scarlet mortar]

no idea

send a vid or sth

[deft badger]

didn't record it, just saw him turning shooting her but she didn't take dmg and he did even tp after that

[glass monolith]

You know he shoot only main target, everyone around it just stunned

[deft badger]

bro it was just her and him xd

he killed the rest lol

[scarlet mortar]

this is why if you can't kill scouts early enough or quickly enough it's sometimes better to just leak them

[deft badger]

i know that i am stupid sometimes, but i saw the animation and bullet going on to her

[deft badger]

the guys that spawn on bot left side?

[scarlet mortar]

yh

they're easy kills but it's worth keeping in mind ig

[deft badger]

the op that kills them gets camo?> or how does it work

[scarlet mortar]

no, the idea is that the targeteers will keep bombing you until he dies or leaks

so if you can't kill fast enough just leak

at least your other ops would be safe by regaining camo

[deft badger]

hmm, now i am confused.. i kinder remember them always bombing me nvm if i killed that dudes or not

[scarlet mortar]

uh yh bc the range of that scout is huge

like saria S2 range

[deft badger]

so he has to die, so that the UFOs don't hit me

[scarlet mortar]

the bush tiles are what give you camo

[deft badger]

have to try that out next time i see that map

ahhh ok

and there are 4 of them

ok i get it now

[scarlet mortar]

there're four around the blue box and two near the top right + bot left red boxes

[deft badger]

have to try that out, its like that one IS3 map with the miniboss
was always wondering why he sometimes shoots the ops in grass and then he just ignores them

[scarlet mortar]

mfs showed up in chapter 3 and from then on nearly everyone forgot they existed

until the occasional bush tile stage appears

[turbid badge]

bai

[drowsy jewel]

qui

[novel pivot]

Chalter does 128 dmg to cv red shielder

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/942010737935675432.png?size=48

[smoky halo]

the yellow ones have 6k def on overcharge the red ones probably even more

[novel pivot]

They werent even overcharged

Just cm for ex 5

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/852898307826909245.png?size=48

[smoky halo]

wtf

das krazy

i havent done the ex stages yet

[novel pivot]

arts dmg for defender ig

[smoky halo]

looks like ceobe gonna eat good

[novel pivot]

Ceobe 5 taps them

[smoky halo]

🔥

ceobe eating good this event

[mint jolt]

Can cm cliff phase 1, one cycled by pozy+mlynar?

[novel pivot]

The only thing that can stand up to her is a shattered champion

It leaves her range before it can die

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/792772256728088577.png?size=48

[novel pivot]

You gonna need some supporter with that

Typhon with warf tickles him outside of vent

[drowsy jewel]

ex stages was fun this time around i dorothy soloed or duoed upto ex7
but couldnt on ex8

[mint jolt]

Oh.. I want to set up eben nuke for second phase tho...

[novel pivot]

You may have some good results with shamare

If you wanna nuke the guy with eben

He needs to be in heat vent

[scarlet mortar]

shamare doesn't debuff res

[novel pivot]

Im talking about the mlynar pozy

[scarlet mortar]

uhhhhhh >eben nuke

what's the point then

[novel pivot]

They asked if they could do phase 1 with pozy and mlynar

So they could do eben p2 nuke

[glass monolith]

Mlynar is irreplaceable part of Eben nuke

[scarlet mortar]

p1 mlynar solos

[mint jolt]

why? Does he has dmg reduction thingy like lone trail boss?

[sullen rover]

eben nuke 🔥

[novel pivot]

Vent reduces his def and atk

Iirc

[glass monolith]

This boss don't have any damage reductions, he is just THICC ASS BOI

[scarlet mortar]

yh -70%

[novel pivot]

I tried using typhon

[scarlet mortar]

both atk and def

[novel pivot]

Outside of vent

She did like

Piss dmg

[glass monolith]

3500 DEF moment

[mint jolt]

So kill vent on phase 1 then

[scarlet mortar]

2.5k def p1

[novel pivot]

Warf lets her do more

And aak

Well

She does like 4.4k on hit

Ignores game mechanics

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/852898307826909245.png?size=48

[smoky halo]

just 1cycle with ceobe

[novel pivot]

Gets shot

🔥

[smoky halo]

silence s3

[glass monolith]

Just stall with Quartz outside vent to show your gaming superiority

[scarlet mortar]

me when i ignore game mechanics

[novel pivot]

Now to find a silence s3 user

[smoky halo]

stall with sutur

[novel pivot]

I find it funny that eunectes with shining s3 barely lives his p2 salvo

In

Stage 8

Not ex

Just regular 8

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1021374584995463250.png?size=48

[glass monolith]

7900 total damage with constant -150 def debuff stacking

[smoky halo]

i think penance max shield lives ex8

[glass monolith]

And then EX CM is just 11232 total damage, with 60% original CD

[scarlet mortar]

CV-8 eun needs the other mod to survive

[novel pivot]

You can get more out of penance

If he's in vent

Sussy impostor

[scarlet mortar]

i mean eun one-cycles p1

[smoky halo]

nuh uh imagine using mechanics and not brute forcing

[novel pivot]

Penance can get like

15k barrier or something

[smoky halo]

11k totl dmg is no sweat for her

[novel pivot]

Can make that higher with nian talent

[smoky halo]

[novel pivot]

16% for free

[glass monolith]

I use mechanics, to brute force, absolutely worst possible solution ever

[glass monolith]

So easy to gain S3 charge on map which has like 20 enemies total

[smoky halo]

bring chen

[novel pivot]

I got to kill cliff in cm before he left here

in total only 1 vent was useful to me

Seems like i have to trigger p2 before he moves rightward though

Otherwise a grenadier spawns

For some reason

[smoky halo]

i should try ex stages now

[scarlet mortar]

wait bruh EX-8 has no killgate

you can just stall p1 cliff til morning come

this is so sad

[novel pivot]

Idk why

The grenadier spawns

Does enemy arrive when cliff lives long enough or smth

[vernal lion]

[novel pivot]

bingus

[scarlet mortar]

defender clear moment

[sullen rover]

bro the pixels i cant see which op is that

[scarlet mortar]

jess2

• blem S2 carry

[novel pivot]

The heat vents cooked this image so hot that it became crispy

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ5BMPApbEM

[mint jolt]

So I gotta add more debuff on his phase 1 then

[urban remnant]

which one of Ptilopsis skills should i use?

[lethal dragon]

..s2

[urban remnant]

thank you

[ripe grail]

Any tips on cv ex 8?
This is my roster

[glass monolith]

My personal plan for EX-8 is wait for cliff to go to 2 vent lane and then just infinitely loop them with Ethan or something, while i sugarcoat other enemies with rest of roster

[wicked viper]

borrow mlynar

your roster doesnt have a lot of dps

place mlynar around here

boss will camp on the spot and mlynar can reach him without dying

use suzu s3 to amplify his dmg

[scarlet mortar]

funny answer: amiya S3 copege

in all honesty yh i don't see enough total damage for the remaining mobs

and viability aside i would not advise stalling cliff

[remote perch]

Dunno man
I just stalled cliff and kill him with other shit

Ofc I can't stall him forever but it should give you enough time to kill him in time

[scarlet mortar]

consider how their squad doesn't have shining, skalter and an E2 protector defender

and silene

[remote perch]

Oh him
Then ye, this won't work

[latent monolith]

Does dodging the boss's hit dodge the def shred

[scarlet mortar]

idts

someone check
https://youtu.be/Kx5a--J1Mw8

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0MvtABnXQY

nice thumbnail lol

[limpid siren]

no, typically you only dodge damage, not effects

[mint jolt]

Used pozy+mlynar they do pitiful damage to boss

[turbid badge]

igneus have you tried the new ex stages?

[mint jolt]

boss have 30sec invulnerable phase?

[limpid siren]

i cleared ex 5 cm earlier

then ran out of sanity

[novel pivot]

Need to be in vents

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/852898307826909245.png?size=48

[limpid siren]

just 10s iirc

[glass monolith]

10s feels like 30s, expecially if you lag your device

[foggy grove]

get a living vent

called shamare fr

[agile ember]

Can you guys help me with cv ex 8 cm? This is my team

[edgy temple]

this is more than enough lol

[scarlet mortar]

...lmao ngl i have half a mind to tell you to reed2 bomb cliff

[agile ember]

I’m lacking brain.

[edgy temple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsm9uo2ukRE&pp=ygUTYXJrbmlnaHQgY3YgZXggOCBjbQ%3D%3D

[agile ember]

I don’t know if it’s a problem with placement or strategy but I get eaten by cliff and the bomber guy

[edgy temple]

try this i thin kalsit is replaceable

u can put saria to amplify surtr and gravel to bait the stun

[turbid badge]

electrified dusk freelings look really cool

[halcyon adder]

Hoshi can tank boss?

[remote perch]

yes, not for a long time but can tank for a good while with few supports

[halcyon adder]

Both phases? How?

[mint jolt]

can 6* silence s2 tank boss phase 2 barrage?

[lean obsidian]

Better use gravel or exusiai s1 for heat charge

[lean obsidian]

It doesn't work well

[lean obsidian]

Phase 2 stun?

[mint jolt]

not even shelter can save us from the barrage 🤣

[lean obsidian]

That's why I suggest bringing support hoshi s2

And use gravel on team

[mint jolt]

how much steroids should I put on ebenbals to one tap boss?

[lean obsidian]

Ebenheimer

Idk

I haven't used ebenheimer nor having it

[mint jolt]

I'm new ebenheimer enjoyer, I want to know the way

[lean obsidian]

Look for module upgrade

[edgy temple]

i think he does

[lean obsidian]

Wdym?

[edgy temple]

i guess he doesn't then, my run was pretty chaotic, deploying many bait to make sure typhon have the time to kill

[lean obsidian]

If u mean but phase 2 stun

Baiting is not recommend

I suggest using hoshi s2 and gravel (optional)

[spark sinew]

oh are FL purged permanently

anyone has silence alter raised

[deep grove]

Hello I need help with cv8

[glass monolith]

Boss weak when vented

The end

[deep grove]

I get run over even before that

By bombers and tanks

Current setup

[novel pivot]

I record and show you

Its actually kind of braindead

[deep grove]

Please do

[turbid badge]

chalter a menamce

[lapis hornet]

didn't she fall off?

[spark sinew]

obviously

[glass monolith]

Chalter was overpowered AF at times when High def was 1000. Now we live in world where 1800 def is some average hobo

[turbid badge]

m3?

which operator

how much hp does said op have

[turbid badge]

u unfren me..

[lapis hornet]

about time

[turbid badge]

when it come back it better say 50/50

[spark sinew]

it will be 0/50, everyone got their FL nuked

[sick basin]

Is Coldshot good/worth raising?

[spark sinew]

no

[sick basin]

I don't know this sniper archetype

[turbid badge]

no

[sick basin]

ah I see

[spark sinew]

archetype is fine? hard to say

coldshot is very bad

[foggy grove]

no no ray just make you think it's good

[sick basin]

what a shame, I thought the hunter archetype would be like the sniper version of Mystic Caster like Ebenholz

[spark sinew]

i mean they got big scaling baked into the archetype

[sick basin]

since they have some "ammo" mechanic that gives them high damage when loaded.

[tropic valve]

you probably don't want to raise Coldshot before a bunch of other 5* Snipers

[sick basin]

explain

[tropic valve]

all the 5* Marksmen will probably service you more than Coldshot, and if you want big DPH then go Provence or Andreana

[spark sinew]

the answer to coldshot is still "no" btw

[turbid badge]

read

[vocal leaf]

hmm cm extra stats hit different on penance, can’t wait for her module, hate to see her barrier being broken

[sick basin]

My current list of 5* snipers. I was raising coldshot to see what her 2nd skill is and thought her lack of damage was a mechanics issue and she needed more boost

[humble trout]

I need surtr as support please

[spark sinew]

are you 5* only player

def raise april before her regardless

[sick basin]

I mostly use them when needed or for IS runs or challenge runs

[spark sinew]

if you're not 5* player, there's no reason to raise lower rarities snipers anyway

[sick basin]

Kroosalt for example is fucking great in is3

[spark sinew]

wow i even have less 5* e2d than you

curse of a new player, certainly

[humble trout]

Do u have surtr

[turbid badge]

erato not e1

[spark sinew]

obviously

[sick basin]

I do 5* only runs which help me for IS3-4 High ascensions where hope to recruit is expensive

[humble trout]

?

[sick basin]

But I never did 5* only X-knights like vanguardknights or sniperknights

I just have diverse 5* roster, but sometimes idk which 5* ops in general are good for IS3/4 high ascensions and which are worth raising

[spark sinew]

tldr raise april and forget coldshot

[sick basin]

Will do, but why april?

[turbid badge]

camo op

[merry narwhal]

April is 5* Magallan

[spark sinew]

because other snipers on the list kinda suck

but also april has unique ish niche

[sick basin]

OH NICE

[sick basin]

Really? I was told at least greythroat was useful

[turbid badge]

no

lolo

[foggy grove]

gt is the worst 5* marksman

[sick basin]

so don't raise gt. got it

[turbid badge]

i have her raised would of eather done insider or plat

gt only for the sfx

[novel pivot]

@halcyon adder had to compress but here it is

Top lane kill + heat vent disrespect

[spark sinew]

did you add me

[turbid badge]

add me

[sick basin]

If I want to do a reliable 5* only team for all endings in IS3 and IS4, which ops should I raise? I wanted to consider 4* only teams/ops but that's a bigger struggle.

[spark sinew]

5* team won't clear ed4 is3

[sick basin]

I'm asking because 6* and the hope costs of hiring/e2ing in high Ascensions is pain

[spark sinew]

well it can but you probably just gonna reset for relics

6* are still the way to go in high ascension in both is3 and 4

[novel pivot]

For medal i just deploy texalt to trigger heat vent once to reset sp

[lapis hornet]

bruuuuh

oh servers are down

[sick basin]

The problem for me is the hope costs if I rely on few 6* ops only in the early levels who probably won't even show up.

also, firewhistle, is she good?

[spark sinew]

if you gonna draft 5*, you won't have hope for 6 stars though

and power difference is big

[hollow forum]

^

[limpid siren]

archetype seems fundamentally flawed to me

[hollow forum]

some of the most consistent starters are straight up 6s

[limpid siren]

i'll wait for the next non-6*, but rn it feels like you just have to be a 6* if you don't want to be garbage as a hunter

[novel pivot]

high ascension moment

[spark sinew]

eh i mean, coldshot is a welfare

[limpid siren]

decent, not a carry unit and probably not worth drafting in IS4

tequila is a welfare

[spark sinew]

and the first of her archetype

yeah and teq is an outlier

[limpid siren]

i just don't buy the welfare excuse

[spark sinew]

when's the last time you used windchimes

[limpid siren]

coldshot isn't just welfare bad

[glass monolith]

Kroos alter is welfare

[limpid siren]

around her release

[spark sinew]

HG definitely cares less about making welfares non awful

[limpid siren]

mucked around for a bit

[sick basin]

If I have consistent 6* starters, are there 5* that can fill the niche if I don't have hope to get the 6* ops?

[spark sinew]

throw shit at the wall and see what sticks

i want to have an example that shows a non welfare 5* that's better than welfare one but

even naming any 5* is already hard

[glass monolith]

Btw Vent is always 100% HP so Puzzle eating good, again

[sick basin]

I know kroosalt filled a role no other sniper can aside from 6* like typhon and W being a stunner against floaters

[limpid siren]

there's not really many/any 5* dps that are worth drafting simply because it's bad tempo

[hollow forum]

not really

as an example, for high ascension IS3 Gav alt and Texalt are 2 of the go-to starters

you can kind of replace gav ig but definitely not tex

[sick basin]

There were many runs I couldn't get an easy-win op like texalt or even a specialist voucher

[limpid siren]

erato did this too

[sick basin]

I have gavalt, what skills do I m3 for here to be a viable IS3 starter?

[glass monolith]

Kroosalt role is point Exu where is exit

[spark sinew]

if you want him as a starter

just borrow him from someone else

[hollow forum]

you'll use S2 almost all the time, if not literally all the time

[spark sinew]

i feel like s1 is better, especially in is3

[agile ember]

When does server reopen again?

[weak gazelle]

5* for IS#4 huh

[sick basin]

I had kroosalt before erato. I guess I should raise Erato too if she can kill floaters

[spark sinew]

better scaling with atkspd, not arts
the 2 charges don't matter much in is3

[limpid siren]

you don't need to raise erato

i was just being a nerd

[spark sinew]

raise her for ed2 runs 🛌

e1 1 works, so

[weak gazelle]

a lot can do it
but certain situation make option more narrowed
high difficulty IS#4
the notable one are kazemaru, istina, valar, pluma, greyy2
especially for opener

[glass monolith]

But you need to her to fix Kristen sleep schedule

[spark sinew]

wow i misread heavily, i thought you meant greyalter

gavialter uses s2 in all but two stages

the remark about just borrowing still applies

[sick basin]

many times A15 runs ended because the ops I wanted were 1 hope away and I had enough to get a 5* op that had a similar niche, but I didn't get them in hopes that I get enough hope in the next chance to get it/another good 6* again

[limpid siren]

this is about IS3 right?

[hollow forum]

3/4, supposedly

[spark sinew]

they all suck and you're better off just skipping them sometimes you can pick some 5* but even then you would be doing very hard compromises

[sick basin]

3-4 since past A7 iirc hope starts getting expensive

[spark sinew]

tequila and cantabile for example can cover some stuff that mlynar and ines usually do

[weak gazelle]

fuck it
why sudden maintenance

[limpid siren]

there's my old drafting priority list for IS3

i haven't done one for IS4

and this was pre-expansion

before fire whistle even

[weak gazelle]

when i have a good run for D14

[limpid siren]

💪

arkhy on the climb

[spark sinew]

wow no bison

[limpid siren]

bison who

[spark sinew]

meanwhile coping the zebra

[lapis hornet]

i need IS tier list but with good units instead

[limpid siren]

you don't know how many runs i threw by trying to build kroos exodia

the copium was so real

i've been told by heaps of different people that you just build kroos exodia and it wins 3/4 endings

[sick basin]

I'm looking if some 5* can fill out a role that can hold out just enough that they can either be replaced by the designated 6* or whichever 6* gets their support

[limpid siren]

[lapis hornet]

what's kroos exodia?

[spark sinew]

and i'm saying that you're better off saving hope

because 5* kinda suck

[limpid siren]

kroos and a shitload of support

[weak gazelle]

who kroos exodia?

[lapis hornet]

also grey alt any good in is3?

[spark sinew]

ok yeah add shamare to the list above, she's good, especially if you start krooster spot

[weak gazelle]

oh the alter one

[limpid siren]

sora, warfarin, elysium, shamare

kinda heavyrain

[sick basin]

canta and puzzle are great

[spark sinew]

you need to provision the hope
especially in the situations you're like you were saying "i don't have 1 hope for a 6*". Was it because you used it for upgrading your free temp 4 star? was it for other reasons?

[lapis hornet]

wdf sora

[sick basin]

Thanks for the list. Most of who I levelled up are there and glad to see. But what about Scene? She's great too, especially against the crying perro

[scarlet fulcrum]

ew shamare

[weak gazelle]

scientific node for IS#4 practically cheating imo
enable us to enter bosky as much as possible after fl 1 is so busted

[limpid siren]

mayer is better than scene in IS3, and summoners are just kinda meh in IS4

[spark sinew]

i disagree with puzzle being good but i used him like twice and he was super...wonky? to play compared to two other agents, which is kinda my point

[limpid siren]

i think i'd always pick canta over puzzle in IS

[spark sinew]

i am speaking as someone who has a roster to just rarity abuse though (but i also assume you have as well)

puzzle is just awkward yeah

[sick basin]

So firewhistle, should I build herß

?

[limpid siren]

i think puzzle is awkward if you think of him as an agent, but good if you think of him as a charger

[spark sinew]

do you have horn

[weak gazelle]

throw puzzle out of your ship
he is a disgrace to agent archetype

[glass monolith]

I like Firewhistle, almost 1000 arts dot because you cute can't be bad

[limpid siren]

arkhy throwing hands

[spark sinew]

although the answer is probably "no" still, personally i would rather cope ashlock buffing

[sick basin]

I do, but sometimes I don't have the hope for her in runs

[limpid siren]

ngl

drafting some 5*s is going to make that problem worse

[weak gazelle]

i try puzzle once and immidietly regret it
he is same lvl garbage with minimalist and windflit

[spark sinew]

i mean go try to use ashlock/firewhistle instead of horn

[limpid siren]

which is what hauckindu is trying to say

[hollow forum]

I'm starting to see that you're just having problems with hope management more than anything else tbh

[sick basin]

surprisingly enough, I get the "5* ops -2 hope to recruit and upgrade" relic more times than 6* and even 4* in my IS3/4 runs

[spark sinew]

you will still die because they can't do the same job without extensive support

[limpid siren]

ashlock and firewhistle very genuinely barely scrape by in D15

i mean it when i say you'll probably wish you hadn't drafted them

[sick basin]

but does she compliment horn when I have both?

[spark sinew]

Just in case, i raised my fair share of bad 5*https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/Hauckindu
even stuff like tequila is usually drafted when you're really desperate

but does she compliment horn when I have both?
no, she will get in the way and waste a slot

and hope

[limpid siren]

oh, no
no no no

they're just going to steal horn's second ticket

[sick basin]

damn, I was really hoping firewhistle + horn and proper placement can make a "fuck you" zone in IS D15 like against the boss

[spark sinew]

just uhhh, drop shamare doll or smth

or do the usual typewriter/schwarz def debuff and two cycle the Highmore (with redeploying)

[limpid siren]

firewhistle's damage vs the boss is very anemic at D15

ashlock's is too

[hollow forum]

I mean unless you can buff both of them out the wazoo, sure

but otherwise you'll probably be strugglin quite a bit

[spark sinew]

while we're at it, to continue the original topic, April is actually useful in is3 as well

although you won't draft her because of ticket shortage anyway

[sick basin]

I'm definitely raising April when server comes up, that's for sure

now I'm going to also add erato to the list

[spark sinew]

e1 1 sl7

stop at that for her, ty

[glass monolith]

Reasons to level up - More damage
Reasons to not level up - Abuse boss for longer

[spark sinew]

damage

[limpid siren]

tbh main reason to level up is to give her more hp for if she ever gets hit

but she shouldn't get hit

[sick basin]

wait its optimal to keep her at e1 l1 sl7 ?

insted of e2?

I'm guessing abuse boss for longer so you can take care of the other mobs?

[spark sinew]

well e2 in IS costs hope

[limpid siren]

there's just no major benefit to promoting her beyond e1

[spark sinew]

but also she doesn't scale her sleep duration beyond sl7

[limpid siren]

erato is just a sleep bot

you'd have to be playing like full 5* only to care about her damage output

[sick basin]

so why not go e1 l70?

[spark sinew]

do that if you want

[sick basin]

oh

so just utility, nothing more?

[spark sinew]

mine is e2 50, but there's hardly any reason to bother

[sick basin]

and I'm guessing M3 is not worth the hope cost?

[spark sinew]

check what she gains from m3

no sp reduction, no sleep duration 🚮

she's kinda like kafka in that regard

the main problem with raising her is that you might be tempted to give her the module

which would just rob you from your module blocks

[sick basin]

wow. That's kind of the point of masteries isn't it?

[limpid siren]

sleep is an exception to that general rule

it's too disruptive to make it any better with mastery

the upshot is that you usually get the "full package" with very little investment into the unit

[scarlet fulcrum]

Only Blacknight duration improved with mastery iirc

[limpid siren]

yea

[spark sinew]

executor s2 flashbacks

[ivory leaf]

Update I added lava Steward and kroos

But since there is maintenance I can't add em

Sooo was hopping if that's good:)

[heady sphinx]

whats the team for?

[ivory leaf]

Story mode

(btw fang is E1 and Click is level 40)

[heady sphinx]

Is there a stage you are having problems with?

[ivory leaf]

Nope not for now

[scarlet fulcrum]

FW start based

[ivory leaf]

Woh?

[heady sphinx]

Seems like you are investing a lot of your resources on some higher tiered ops. have you been upgrading your base also?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Firewatch

[ivory leaf]

Sometimes I do

I keep forgetting to upgrade my base

Btw what's more better for fw first or second skill

Can't seem to choose between the two

[heady sphinx]

I wouldn't neglect it so much. its a passive way of getting lmd and xp.

for FW, typically its s1

as for your team comp, my usual recommendation is raise a few 3 stars, since they can clear out like 80% of the game for a cheap price, and slowly replace them with higher rarity when you can.

[ivory leaf]

Hmmm

I have raised steward Kroos lava Matterhorn click

Is should I go for Jaye and gravel?

[heady sphinx]

Jaye and gravel are excellent units to have

[ivory leaf]

Any more recommendations?

[heady sphinx]

I'd move away from matterhorn, use any of the 3 star defenders. they do the job well enough for a fraction of the investment

[ivory leaf]

Awhh okey

[astral cosmos]

ashlock is an interesting pick...

[ivory leaf]

Woop woop looks like you noticed it

[heady sphinx]

BUT if you enjoy using matterhorn, you can. he isn't useless

[ivory leaf]

Yeah I like artillery so that's why I placed ashlock

For chip and aoe damage as well:}

[astral cosmos]

that's fair
she isn't bad anyway

just...not popular

[ivory leaf]

Is fire whistle good than ashlock?

[heady sphinx]

both serve different purposes

[astral cosmos]

they do different things

[ivory leaf]

Don't see fortress enjoyers often?

[astral cosmos]

firewhistle is if you needs arts damage on your fortress defender
ashlock is if you need punctual bursts

[heady sphinx]

fire whistle is aoe arts, ashlock is physical.

[astral cosmos]

people usually enjoy Horn only

[ivory leaf]

Dam I'm not special😔

Well that's all I have I can't be picky with that

[astral cosmos]

then again that is a lot of high rarity ops
though I reckon building 3* and 4* has been mentioned already

[ivory leaf]

Well my mindset is just

High star = good

[astral cosmos]

which isn't necessarily the case in arknights

there are garbage 5*

[ivory leaf]

Just realised that 3 and 4 stars units aren't useless when I joined the server

[astral cosmos]

yeah, it forces you to think a bit differently

then again, 5* are just a heterogenous mix of worthless, bad, good, niche and decent operators
it's pretty random really

[ivory leaf]

Also

[astral cosmos]

you can use a randomiser that picks one random 5* from the pool and be playing darts blindfolded
it's all the same

[ivory leaf]

When should I start replacing my 5-6 stars?

[astral cosmos]

right now

[ivory leaf]

It's under maintenance-

[astral cosmos]

3* and 4* are usually for when you start the game (sprinkled with a few good higher rarity ops)
only then do you start building more and more higher rarity ops

because farming in early game is very tedious

[ivory leaf]

Anyways I'll keep my team like that for now

I'll focus on my base

Then my units

It's not bad right?

[astral cosmos]

your squad isn't that bad

[ivory leaf]

Yippie

[astral cosmos]

but since you're in early game, focus on base first

then good low rarity ops

then 5* and such

[ivory leaf]

Alrighty

[limpid siren]

The more i use firewhistle, the more i prefer her over ashlock

Ashlock’s 0 block during s2 hasn’t really been useful lately

So firewhistle is just more versatile

[ivory leaf]

Hm

Too much info

Can't store in such a small brain

[limpid siren]

Ashlock is too specific

[civic bear]

fw aoe is really nice too

[ivory leaf]

Rng based

But hey it's not bad aswell

Just need a pinch of luck

[civic bear]

wat

[jovial nest]

lulz

[ivory leaf]

Erm

[civic bear]

firewhistle bro

[ivory leaf]

Oh

I thought firewatch

[civic bear]

[ivory leaf]

Lul

Anyways

[spark sinew]

oh yeah a lot of your units you could cut rn

fw ashlock noir are...fine i suppose, but i doubt they'll help you much

[red cosmos]

I need handhold for EX 8, normal and cm

[karmic glade]

ceobe casually two tap charged shield

[spark sinew]

don't forget about the medal

[heady sphinx]

Anyway, @ivory leaf just get a few 3 stars, and focus on base. once you get that built, you will start generating lmd and xp which makes your life easier in the long run when you start upgrading higher rarity units

click, jaye, and gravel would be 4 *s worth raising afterwards

[ivory leaf]

Yippie

Okehh

I did some Few runs before I go to sleep

Night yall have a nice night or day grinding

[jovial nest]

Just curious. What skill would you default when thinking of using Mag
Cause i feel like if I would bother to use Mag, it'd be about her S1

[scarlet mortar]

depends

in an endgame general squad, S1

for solos, ofc S3

[jovial nest]

well that's the thing about solos

[scarlet mortar]

for her IS4 monthly, S2 sweep

[ornate siren]

what are the delay frames for cliffs stun as he locks onto someone

[jovial nest]

its either ground Ling S3

[ornate siren]

because the last thing i want is not having time to onskill

[jovial nest]

or Mag potentially soloing CA-5 (only this specifically)

because it might be better to use Ling's S2 in more general maps

[scarlet mortar]

mag's invis mod has a decent share of use tbh, too bad you only have to do her IS4 monthly once

it's a pretty cracked option to have in the kind of limited roster environment IS has

also S2 is funny

she almost manages khagan solo dps with it

[ivory nimbus]

What's the strat for medal trim? I have more headaches dealing with the Sniper flood on the left lane than Cliff himself (minus the annoying medal requirements).

[karmic glade]

do you know the medal is mistranslated?

[ivory nimbus]

I do.

[glass monolith]

I know. Silvergun pinned my comment about it

[karmic glade]

lin takes 0 damage from them

[glass monolith]

MOTIVATED RAT

[ivory nimbus]

I don't see how that's relevant, tbh.

[foggy grove]

lin got smoked

[karmic glade]

there is a killgate at 20 or so, only when you defeat p1 would more mobs come, just let cliff go to bottom right before you start p2

and just like typhon him or something

[deft badger]

well hello there

[ivory nimbus]

I did just that while figuring the stage out. The main issue is really just the horde of Snipers on the left lane that do me in.

[deft badger]

do u have eyja?

just put her in the left corner she will kill them all s2

[ivory nimbus]

I do have an E1 maxed Eyja.

[spark sinew]

bye

[ivory nimbus]

I'll definitely gonna need to readjust some stuff to accommodate for Eyja new position.

[deft badger]

can u show me the squad u have?

[spark sinew]

how big is cliff's range actually

[deft badger]

2 tiles ?

[brave sun]

anyone got a way to burst down cliff 2x durign first vent?

[deft badger]

best bet borrow ling

use typhon to kill him

when he is low activate vents he doesn't have to die to the vent

1st kill on top lane 2nd mid lane

[spark sinew]

oh, his "ranged" attack can't target anything other than his blocker it seems

[ivory nimbus]

That erroneous translation really does a number on the player base, huh.

[spark sinew]

cm is harder than the medal

[brave sun]

lmao thanks

[deft badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3NI6Y-ssHY&ab_channel=pard

[brave sun]

i was like need to die to the vent

[spark sinew]

x2?

[spark sinew]

i just stalled him, no need to burst him in one vent

[deft badger]

its not didn't even have to time anything

dude struggles hard with spalter xD

[spark sinew]

is this cm

[sullen rover]

just dont use vents and ceobe

[deft badger]

yes he gets stuck on to her and keeps shooting her like

that went on for like a min

[spark sinew]

uhuh

ok yeah, mly is terrible smh

[void terrace]

The ex is so much easier then cv 8☠️

[deft badger]

mlynar does like non dmg to him

if he isn't under vent -.-

[void terrace]

Cliffs pathing is so forgiving

[spark sinew]

cv8 cliff literally stays in ceobe's range

[foggy grove]

there is vent on his every path yeah

[spark sinew]

his pathing is way worse in ex

[void terrace]

You can just crub stomp him on the first vent tho

[karmic glade]

just mostima it so that he stay in range artificially

perfect range

[spark sinew]

although it's mainly ex higher stats that make it harder ig

[earnest geode]

Indeed

[spark sinew]

hard to judge the map itself in diff

[earnest geode]

Use hoshi to block the boss

And bring medics

[deft badger]

did cm with this...

but i don't think that u actually even need that many ops

[earnest geode]

I use 10 tho

Mainly medics

Plus skalter borrowed

[spark sinew]

spalter X module

fake AH player

[spark sinew]

oh hoshi tanks cm cliff with that?

[earnest geode]

Yes

[spark sinew]

oh i keep forgetting reedic debuffs atk

[deft badger]

was about to ask how did she survive 😄

[earnest geode]

Easy for her on boss phase 1 tho

Doesn’t need too much medics

Use saria to block the left lane

While blaze hold the middle

[void terrace]

Time to pennance cm mode

[earnest geode]

And hoshi block the boss and some bombardier at top

[spark sinew]

the answer is no

[shell arch]

Could someone do me a favor and check if shining s2 shield will get reduced dmg taken with the operators' def?

Hauckindu I haven't even sent it

[earnest geode]

I m3 her s2 tho

U mean just her skill only?

[shell arch]

I have reading comprehension issue. Nick are you referring to my question?

[earnest geode]

Reading issue too

[foggy grove]

Just treat it like hp bar extension

[earnest geode]

[deft badger]

well he died and didn't even make it to the middle lane

[shell arch]

Oh so it's also affected by def? Thanks!

[foggy grove]

Ye

[shell arch]

S2m3 p6 lvl90 maxtrust phy Y gives 425 shield

[earnest geode]

Noice

[shell arch]

But how much phy dmg can s2m3 phy x tank?

[earnest geode]

Haven’t unlocked yet

[shell arch]

Thanks for the picture, i don't need to open gamepress now

[spark sinew]

why are you calcing this anyway

[shell arch]

I'm wondering whether should I cope phy x mod3 or do her phy y mod3

I'm thinking of mod6ing shining either way

[spark sinew]

you should skip both

[shell arch]

Too late. Already mod3

[vernal lion]

depend on what are you trying for

[shell arch]

Could you check phy x mod3 improvement? Thanks!

[earnest geode]

Hold on

[shell arch]

Yeah. Phy y sounds like more general use since s2m3 gives 425 shield

While phy x s2m3 sounds like more tanky against physical dmg

[earnest geode]

Haven’t completed the side quest yet

[shell arch]

That's fine. I'll do it myself then

Thanks fam

[earnest geode]

No problem

[vernal lion]

you got the point, and I like to use her other mod because I can abuse Aak

[heady sphinx]

I always suggest phy x for shining anyway. passive +140 defense +15% healing on ground units is more appealing to me anyway

[spark sinew]

aak on rangeds is kinda whatever though isn't he

[vernal lion]

Skalter and Shining mod3 are enough for GG to tank Aak

[shell arch]

Phy x mod3 is 105(+5) to allied def, 40 additional def to ground allies

[vernal lion]

yea I'm talking about phy x

[shell arch]

Since my shining is p6, is it 105 or 110 def to ranged allies?

[spark sinew]

can just use skalter solo or silencer instead of shining

[vernal lion]

since I also use other mod, because it's useful too

[heady sphinx]

105

[spark sinew]

actually we could probably use eyjalter as well

[vernal lion]

imagine having silencer built

[shell arch]

Thanks. So p1 is 100? Weirdge

[heady sphinx]

its pot only gives +5 defense

doesn't scale with module

[shell arch]

Yep. I'm kinda confused with how talent upgrade from pots works

[vernal lion]

the pot stat is same as base stat, it's flat

[heady sphinx]

talent upgrades adds flat numbers to whatever talent it effects

doesn't scale with modules

[astral cosmos]

the perfect corro tile

[heady sphinx]

I really want to build Corro with module

seems like an interesting concept

[shell arch]

I forgor but is my shining attack 610 or 690?

[vernal lion]

it's all about that you have money to pay for all the build

[astral cosmos]

610

bonuses are already applied

[heady sphinx]

690 with module, 610 without

wait, did I read that worng

[astral cosmos]

I mean

[heady sphinx]

no, I read that right

[astral cosmos]

what's displayed on the left always takes into account all bonuses no?

[vernal lion]

you see that blue square? that's what her current mod you picking right now

[heady sphinx]

he has shinings default badge selected

so 610

[astral cosmos]

ye

[shell arch]

So 610 is modless atk with trust bonus already applied?

[heady sphinx]

if he equips the mody, its 670 since mod gives +60 att

[astral cosmos]

yes

[heady sphinx]

trust is always displayed

[shell arch]

I'm kinda confused with the interface in general

Thanks

[heady sphinx]

what the interface shows is base numbers. trust, mods, and pots affect base numbers

[spark sinew]

btw

you definitely should s1m3

go go

[vernal lion]

do you get jealousy

[shell arch]

So if I'm taking this right;

Shining pot6 lvl90 maxtrust
0 def ally

Phy x mod3 gives 425 shield, capable to take 425 + 97 = 532 physical damage

Phy y gives 335 shield, capable to take
Ranged allies: 335 + 158 = 493 physical damage
Ground allies: 335 + 218 = 543 physical damage

Could someone double check me?

[spark sinew]

amigo is using bad art

so no

[shell arch]

Wdym bad art, shining summer skin is PEAK

:CeobeCU

[vernal lion]

s1m3 with mod3 phy y
her attack animation is funny lol

[shell arch]

Wow there's only like 11 less dmg taken difference between phy x and y

[shell arch]

I think I'm gonna cry for doing her phy y

[vernal lion]

phy x is more about skill usage tho

s2 gets more atk, s3 gets sp charging faster

[shell arch]

Naga that's phy x

I mistook it as phy y as well

[vernal lion]

oh yea, phy x

[shell arch]

[vernal lion]

you just begin this

[shell arch]

Yeah mb

So phy x is better mod than phy y

Unless if you somehow want 80 additional def to ground ops

Which further gets amplified by s3m3

[vernal lion]

phy y is only good if you pair her with Skalter

it gets additional buff

[shell arch]

Good point

But only if skalter is on her range

[vernal lion]

that always matters anyway

[heady sphinx]

I always liked phy x with skalter anyway

[shell arch]

So has someone wrote a thesis about why phy x shining and not phy y shining?

[heady sphinx]

makes skalter give +60 defense on top of her base

[shell arch]

Because if there wasn't, I'm gonna write it

[vernal lion]

but if I play for real, I can just use phy x because she can solo heal with s2

[heady sphinx]

so ground units end up getting +200 defense

[shell arch]

True

[spark sinew]

[shell arch]

On this case I think phy y better
Since it gives 100 def (p1) to skalter

[heady sphinx]

S2 bonus attack I don't think is worth it, and S3 goes from 120 cd to 75 cd, which is significant, but if you need s3 id just heli drop

[shell arch]

Skalter also further buff allied with her buffed def from shining

[heady sphinx]

exactly

[deft badger]

typhon dies to aak -.-

i am sad

[spark sinew]

why would you aak typhon...

[heady sphinx]

s2m3 skalter gives 60% of her att and def to everyone, which includes that +100

[spark sinew]

see, this is what i'm talking about
even if you could, that's just not something you would want

[shell arch]

In conclusion, i think:
Phy x is more of solo shining that's generally good while phy y needs a demanding situation to be better than phy x

[vernal lion]

phy x btw

[shell arch]

The demanding situation being bringing skalter

[vernal lion]

that liskarm is still e1

[astral cosmos]

didn't know res drones could be silenced
starting to like corro more and more in this event

[vernal lion]

read the enemy info tho

[astral cosmos]

I'm EN

[shell arch]

Is this a gif? It's frozen on my end

[heady sphinx]

phy x also gets better with skalter, so I don't see this as a win for phy y

[vernal lion]

no it's not

if you want gif

[shell arch]

NOOO

STOP

[shell arch]

Phy x gives 60 def to skalter
Phy y gives 100 def to skalter

Wait so uh

[vernal lion]

everyone just got confused about mod tho

[shell arch]

Phy x + s2 gets better with skalter s2?

[spark sinew]

there's 0 chance lisk tanks ed2 anyway

[earnest geode]

[spark sinew]

shining or no shining

[vernal lion]

phy x is skill buff
phy y is flat def buff

[heady sphinx]

I confused the x and y, you are correct

[spark sinew]

and on d0 ansel beagle? i think tank

[shell arch]

The confusion started because i mistook which one is x and y, so my bad

[vernal lion]

d0

d7

[heady sphinx]

I consider the opposite of this. Phy y (flat buff) better then x in most situations regardless

[vernal lion]

and starting from d10, everything hits like a truck

[heady sphinx]

dyslexia moment on my part, sorry for the confusion

[vernal lion]

d15

[spark sinew]

yeah the e1 lisk wouldn't tank regardless

[vernal lion]

because she has only 480 def

[spark sinew]

and on d0 she should tank without shining

[vernal lion]

and even you pick s1, she won't proc

[shell arch]

Let me reiterate:
Phy x gives 15% additional heal to both ranged and ground allies when their hp is less than half

Phy y heals 15% additional hp to ground allies unconditionally

Phy x gives s2 +15% atk, which is more heal per second. Phy y does not give atk

Phy x s2m3 can tank more against phy dmg vs phy y s2m3 (ranged allies)
Phy x s2m3 tank 11 less physical dmg against phy y s2m3 (ground allies)

Phy x s3m3 has 75s skill downtime which is enough to be covered with nian s2m3 as opposed to phy y s3m3 with 120s skill downtime that requires 2 external def buffs to cover the downtime

Sounds like phy x is more universal than phy y

Phy y is strictly for:
Sustaining ground allies
Bring skalter

Phy x is for:
Sustaining both ground and ranged allies
No skalter for maximum efficiency

[spark sinew]

so bring y only

[shell arch]

I'd rather bring x for its universal perk rather than y

[spark sinew]

i think you would only need to sustain rangeds if you misposition

but yeah i only read the last message

[shell arch]

Yep, but there are some cases where your ranged allies can't avoid getting chipped

[spark sinew]

then it's probably aoe and shining is the wrong choice anyway, no

[shell arch]

True

[vernal lion]

I hope the 2nd mod for Ifrit will be lowering the cost and more res debuff

it will be very good for afk

[heady sphinx]

Shining already has high enough attack, 670 att at base, and +140 defense to ground units is less damage taken which means you need to heal less (in terms of phy damage, not arts). If you use S3, then I would agree, but most of the time, the increase defense and healing is enough for most defenders. I personally use S2, and the +25% isn't worth it imo

[shell arch]

At its core, you bring medics for their utilities, not their heals

So to maximize shining utility, phy y

And phy x is good for its universal perks and more heal to both ground and ranged allies alike

[spark sinew]

at its core aka in 99% of content you don't bring medics outside of healing a shitton or them dealing shitton of damage i thought

[shell arch]

Thanks for the consideration. I do agree that phy y is for sustaining ground allies such as defender like you pointed out

[vernal lion]

Quercus mod is just busted

[heady sphinx]

Best medic

[shell arch]

But phy x has the edge of 425 shield against arts/true dmg as opposed to phy y with 335 shield against arts/true dmg

90 less dmg mitigation. Bigger than shining phy y def improvement

[deft badger]

wanted to see him die faster -.-
https://youtu.be/6J4rXCtVrpg

[spark sinew]

just use like stainless or smth

i'll be honest idr how typhon scales with +atk

[shell arch]

So after calculating chungus mod dmg, i jumped in the rabbit hole and did shining calc and hoshi calc

Is this how every math nerd start looks like?

[spark sinew]

buffing atkspd on s3 doesn't seem too great though

[heady sphinx]

Yes

[shell arch]

Unfortunately I'm bad at math so I'm no nerd

[spark sinew]

you're just a bad nerd

a nerd nonetheless

[shell arch]

B-but you need to be good to be a nerd

[heady sphinx]

90 less dmg mitigation vs arts and true, which you shouldn't be using shining for in the first place

[shell arch]

True, shining bad!! Just use nightingale!!!

I can't wait for the sequel when HG released NG 2nd mod

[heady sphinx]

Plus, 100% uptime on physical damage mitigation

[shell arch]

I think this points out the universality perk i wanted to adress

[spark sinew]

does this matter outside of uhhh

[shell arch]

But

1. 90 less dmg mitigation is not gamechanging
2. No one in their right mind would s2m3 shining

[spark sinew]

shining tower

[shell arch]

Nah we're just nerding around

[heady sphinx]

I use shining skalter combo, which is + 200 Def all around which is very nice, other then that, I use good ol ansel

[shell arch]

May i ask what makes you conclude this? I think i skipped reading a part of shining s2 skill description

[heady sphinx]

The 140 extra Def ?

[shell arch]

I mean phy x also has basic 60 extra def

[heady sphinx]

Which is 80 less then y

[shell arch]

Yep, but that doesn't make it 100% uptime on physical dmg mitigation

[heady sphinx]

It mitigates 80 physical damage per attack?

[shell arch]

Yep but again, i don't think it's right to call it as "100% uptime on physical dmg mitigation"

Phy y shrimply has 80 extra def compared to phy x

100% uptime is like uh

Uh

Instant permanent skill like s2 mountain with gaul bank check

Or like metastatic balze s2 on is3 deep investigation (80 initial sp for metastatic operators. Balze s2m3 sp req is 70)

[flat sapphire]

Every op has def and def mitigates physical dmg but it doesn't mean they have 100% uptime phys dmg mitigation

[spark sinew]

why wouldn't this count in shining's case

[flat sapphire]

Just

Call it extra def?

Coz that's all it is

Idk

[vernal lion]

shining only fails if the dmg is higher than her healing, that's all

[spark sinew]

yeah it's kinda both

because of how defense works

[flat sapphire]

The problem is we have actual dmg mitigation in the form of stuff like shelter

[shell arch]

Anyway thanks for humoring me guys. It's been fun discussing this with you

[glass monolith]

Boss: Laughs in 11232 total damage when not vented

[shell arch]

[deft badger]

atk speed for her or other ops?

[flat sapphire]

Self i would assume

[spark sinew]

is this the entire talent? for herself only

silence should buff everyone

but it's been awhile and idr

[astral cosmos]

alright well the biggest issue for me in this event are unironically the drones
always leaking them

[heady sphinx]

That's what Def and resistance are, damage mitigation. I'm saying shining gives more physical damage mitigation because she gives bonus Def. As long as they are in range, they get that bonus, hence why it's 100% uptime

[deft badger]

the dude who made that op was lazy af probably
that talent doesn't make sense...

[flat sapphire]

Literally does? It doesn't say for other ops so why would u think so?

[glass monolith]

Man who said let's make Virgil summon respawn 25 seconds instead 15 while having 33% less stats:

[deft badger]

it doesn't make sense to me to give a op a talent like this, its like ok that op has to have two talents lets give her something

just make her atk faster on e2 and don't even name it if u are to lazy to make a proper talent for it

[spark sinew]

actually i never noticed

it's only 6* tacticians that have 25 seconds huh

4 and 5* are 15 seconds, wtf

[flat sapphire]

One of the reasons why vigil is considered shit lmao

[heady sphinx]

Shining is an older op. Most of the older ops have simpler talents compared to what we get now.

[glass monolith]

At least with Mumu it makes sense - you need to spend those 25 seconds to process your skill issue

[echo herald]

Beanstalk FTW.

[deft badger]

like this skill... how many ops have it couple of them
just going to call it lazy

[flat sapphire]

Mumu's have good stats so she's ok 👍

[heady sphinx]

I wouldn't call it lazy, but rather an evolution on what talents use to be

[spark sinew]

mumu has utility

[heady sphinx]

Modules correct some of these issues with older ops

[spark sinew]

what's the most verbose talent in the game, actually

[deft badger]

i guess mumu xD

[vernal lion]

same as Ch'en

mostly old op just has talent that only gives stat buff

[grizzled otter]

peak

[deft badger]

are lords going to get mods at a point?

[spark sinew]

yes

i mean you're only asking because thorns is a lord, aren't you

[deft badger]

i guess u know me to well 😄

yes wanna know if i can use my thorns in the future again

not only i would like to see QB do some more dmg on AA as well

[glass monolith]

Frostleaf with module with sugarcoat Thorn by beign 3x4 range on deploy and negate/increase attack speed bullshit

[spark sinew]

yeah i know you have bad taste

[vernal lion]

lord mod would be like ranged attack is no more dealt less dmg, then talents and skills get upgraded too

[deft badger]

that would be fine by me

[spark sinew]

almost everyone ignores ranged attack penalty

it would be horrible

[deft badger]

would still be 20% more dmg on range

[vernal lion]

and someone still thinks ranged attack on lord is bad

that's why they will remove the dmg losing on mod

there's a lot of lord suffering from lacking dmg

[spark sinew]

auto attacks are not really relevant

you won't even notice it

and it won't matter on skills

[vernal lion]

it's still, you just be bad

[spark sinew]

lol lmao

[vernal lion]

aint you

[cosmic thicket]

meanwhile a ton of lord skills just remove the ranged penalty altogether lmao

[vernal lion]

skill removing the dmg penalty is a must

imagine if it still be like that

[cosmic thicket]

i wouldn't be opposed to the lord mod being "skills do +10% damage"

[spark sinew]

i really hope you're joking

[vernal lion]

yes

[glass monolith]

Most lords skills: Remove range penalty
QB: Remove enemy existing

[vernal lion]

you see, other guard archetype just got dmg buff

[spark sinew]

even that 5* lord removes it

[vernal lion]

like Centurion one

it gets 10% more dmg

[glass monolith]

(Looks on Aciddrop gaining DEF and redeploy time)

[vernal lion]

Swordmaster gets dmg buff on skill too

and not too say, there will be at least 2 mods

[spark sinew]

and?

[vernal lion]

and any situation can be

[spark sinew]

you can just you know

make them do more damage in melee

"melee"

aka atk scale when not in "ranged" (or any other stuff)