I guess Schawrz might be okay too but I'd prefer to only do one 6*.
#strategy
old arch
limpid siren
Can you sort by acquisition date, from oldest to newest
full finch
schwarz is also a good choice
old arch
Can you sort by acquisition date, from oldest to newest
Okay! But um, is that helpful? LOL.
limpid siren
Just because of what you said here
old arch
Fair!
limpid siren
I want to see what 5*s you have and how old they are
full finch
oh true
old arch
Can you sort by acquisition date, from oldest to newest
The list goes on for a while because uh.
There's a lot of filler.
full finch
lotsa units 
limpid siren
Hmm
old arch
I tried to use Swire.
But I gave up. 😭
It was too hard to utilize her in my teams.
But yeah I mean, Meteor and Gitano have been with me forever. But I mean, if I can't run something, I'll swap them out!
For Astgenne, etc.
limpid siren
I was hoping stuff like franka, firewatch, liskarm, specter, or lappland might be old enough to count
old arch
Oh.
limpid siren
Tbh if gitano is getting you this far, then the problem doesn’t feel like it’s her
old arch
I was hoping stuff like franka, firewatch, liskarm, specter, or lappland might b...
Nono wait. I'm not like crazy stubborn or whatever haha.
If you have any suggestions I'm open! So dw about what I said either.
Like I'll take them and see if I agree on upping them!
limpid siren
My suggestion for specifically this stage is shamare
Because the -atk solves your major problem of units dying
full finch
shamare 🛐
limpid siren
In terms of raw power from a 5* body, tequila is the best in the rarity
old arch
If I may ask as well, how would she help with killing the boss though?
full finch
keep your units alive
limpid siren
I was hoping stuff like franka, firewatch, liskarm, specter, or lappland might b...
All of these units are fairly staple in many 5* teams too
full finch
and also reduces boss def
but if it's raw damage output you want, uh,
surtr/ejya/schwarz would be the choices
limpid siren
If I may ask as well, how would she help with *killing* the boss though?
She helps stop this from happening
full finch
-50% atk makes phys damage enemies hit for nothing
and substantially reduces the threat from arts enemies
it's especially relevent against this boss since the boss's special ability is ATK based
in addition, it will help with eliminating the high DEF gundams
limpid siren
Shamare is a good duct tape unit for fixing weird clears
Probably the single best support unit in her rarity
full finch
in a meta landscape owned almost entirely by 6⭐ shamare remains very relevent in most content
old arch
So about that...
full finch
old arch
Is Pramanix close enough?
full finch
no
old arch
Oh no.
limpid siren
Unfortunately it’s mostly the -atk you care about with shamare
But still
I think you’re very close to figuring something out
old arch
LOL I mean, if we're talking about figuring something out, I think I have a solution. This would basically solve all of it right?
Transition the boss to P2, Schwarz shreds.
limpid siren
Yea odds are good that will be the end of that
sullen rover
schwarz might die(?)
idr her stats
full finch
uh
she might kill before dying
full finch
hopefully
old arch
Yeah but.
Actually, this probably isn't the most appropriate channel, but as I understand, Schwarz is a boss-killer.
Drop her, and her S3 will kill nearly everyone right?
What does Eunectes bring to the table specifically?
That makes her a 6*.
sullen rover
she has like huge stats like really huge
full finch
this is the perfect channel actually
sullen rover
her dph is quite high too iirc
full finch
stage clears and squad comps are literally in the description
old arch
stage clears and squad comps are literally in the description
Oh LOL. Sorry I thought it'd be a #help thing so I was like, mb but since you guys are so great and you're all here.
DPH... damage per... not hour?
old arch
Ah.
limpid siren
To be frank, eunectes is one of the more hamstrung 6*s thanks largely to the restriction on her sp generation
Ignoring that, she does indeed have a massive statline, and the potential to duel down most high value targets during her s3
sullen rover
damage per hit like ~4k iirc
to handle def
limpid siren
Eunectes is probably close to what surtr would look like if surtr were to have a meaningful downside to her power
turbid badge
4
old arch
Okay last thing! LOL. Sorry everyone.
So you guys know the last event right. With Andoain and all that.
Uh, the Typhon-series.
full finch
yep
old arch
Did you guys do all of it.
limpid siren
Yea
full finch
(didn't play all of it)
old arch
So like, with my roster you saw, I managed to beat him (utilizing Deepcolor tentacles as bait, etc. etc.).
I thought it was impossible, but I was able to creatively beat him with what I had.
full finch
andoain is fairly squishy if you catch him outside his dodge clouds
old arch
Uh, hmm. I guess that's why I like to see how far I can take things with who I have. Just wondering though, would Eunectes or Schwarz have trivialized that fight?
full finch
unfortunately, he has a lot of them, and they cover large areas
schwarz yes
she ignores dodge with module
old arch
unfortunately, he has a lot of them, and they cover large areas
I used Amiya S3. 🤣
limpid siren
Most of the andoain fight is a knowledge and planning check yea
limpid siren
Awaken is more of a straight fight yea
full finch
DV has a lot of statcheck
the gundams are kinda insane
and the fat orbs are beefy as well
limpid siren
If you’d like to test out some of the 5*s we talked about earlier, i have a lot of them raised
full finch
same thing here but with 6⭐s
limpid siren
Not astgenne sadly, but i have leizi who functions similarly
full finch
I don't have eun or schwarz raised though
limpid siren
Fake 6* abuser
old arch
Oh RIP LOL. I was just going to mention them.
old arch
Hmm. I feel like Schwarz will basically solve all my problems, so... I'll definitely try her out.
Would you happen to have Eunectes though or.
full finch
Fake 6* abuser
idk man I just use gavial and horn for everything 💀
limpid siren
No, i don’t have many 6*s raised
full finch
igneus based 5⭐ enjoyer
limpid siren
Yea just 5* teams
spark sinew
dw you can insult this weirdo
old arch
Wait wait wait wait.
Have you cleared all content so far.
I need to know.
It's possible. 😭
limpid siren
All content that i’ve played
full finch
igneus good
limpid siren
Sometimes i take breaks for work or burn out
old arch
I've heard hell stages and those things are hard. Have you managed.
limpid siren
Yea but i have access to more units than you
old arch
Thank you for giving me hope LOL.
spring chasm
Is it alright I pop in with my struggles or is it a bad time?
full finch
5⭐ has less issue with statcheck than 4⭐ too
limpid siren
Pop in
limpid siren
Igneus#1125
old arch
5⭐ has less issue with statcheck than 4⭐ too
Also I'd just like to add you too because y'know, why not LOL. If that's okay.
Oh wait you guys did say Shamare..
spring chasm
I am hitting a wall hard on JT8-3.
spring chasm
I genuinely don't have any survivability against the flames
tidal sedge
I've beaten knight, Erato actually saved me
full finch
the ignites are true damage anyway
so all you'd use is medics for it
tidal sedge
I'm building Erato
spring chasm
Sometimes my timing on the flames is off and the explosion kills my medics and simply ruins my run
limpid siren
I genuinely don't have any survivability against the flames
Which flames, the fireball waves between talulah phases? Or the burn dots she applies to people during the fight
Can you screenshot your team too?
spring chasm
Which flames, the fireball waves between talulah phases? Or the burn dots she ap...
It's a mix of her fireballs and her slashing attacks since I tend to start damaging Talulah once she's in the middle pathway
Also lemme boot up my PC
full finch
the fireballs are arts damage and can be mitigated by a large amount of healing, or using Nightingale
her slashes are true damage and can only be mitigated by damage resistance or healing
limpid siren
i think we might mean different things when we say fireball 
full finch
spring chasm
Y'all know how before her second phase she starts sending fireballs across the screen?
limpid siren
oh yea, we're on the same page then dw
@old arch i put shamare on support too if you wanted to try that angle
old arch
<@186317229317423104> i put shamare on support too if you wanted to try that ang...
Thank you so much!
spring chasm
the team I'm using rn
spring chasm
i know
limpid siren
oh yea that's gonna sting
full finch
spark sinew
did you raise mulberry out of your own volition
full finch
I actually dunno how to go from here
spring chasm
did you raise mulberry out of your own volition
i actually relied on her a lot
full finch
lol yeah
spring chasm
I wish I wasn't embarassed about using supports buuut, I'm desperate
limpid siren
i think your medics are always going to drown
spring chasm
full finch
whisp is actually good here but E1 healing output is painful
limpid siren
so if you want to survive the fireball waves there are generally two approaches:
- survive
- retreat everything and leave just enough to handle the mooks
i don't think you can handle the second option with that team
so i would probably suggest something like a nightingale borrow to help make option one realistic
full finch
yeah, and with their damage outut I don't think colldown for phase 2 will be an issue
but then there's the issue of surviving phase 2
limpid siren
handling the energy aggregates might be problematic
full finch
yeah
spring chasm
art shield nightingale?
limpid siren
e2 1 ines probably kills one right?
full finch
art shield nightingale?
Sanctuary Nightingale
full finch
e2 1 ines probably kills one right?
probably just 1
limpid siren
do you have any other units raised? or is the team you posted earlier pretty much it
p1 projekt red also means you have like 1s or less for the timing window to bait her burning breaths
spring chasm
raised to E2 or just anything E1 50?
full finch
Sanctuary is Nightingale's 3rd skill
limpid siren
anything
full finch
oh wait I'm dumb
limpid siren
three vanguards makes the team weaker
so if we can boot one maybe we can get something else helpful in the team
full finch
they're probably using poncirus to lane
spring chasm
hol up, I am so slow on a pc
limpid siren
spring chasm
full finch
limpid siren
oh man
spring chasm
2 months. yikes
limpid siren
spring chasm
<:CeobeConfused:980847844850290738>
limpid siren
i wanted to suggest something like this, which is a pretty oldschool jt8-3 setup
but you don't really have any options for supporting gummy/bubble for lane dps
ranged dps is probably going to attack talulah over the mooks
so i'm a little stumped
full finch
that bubble placement gets hit by black snake as well
full finch
fair
rose seal
so i'm a little stumped
can his executoner help?
limpid siren
at e1, like probably but not both lanes
but yea not a bad idea to try
how far do you usually get in your runs?
full finch
at e1, like probably but not both lanes
S1 can kinda work but eh
spring chasm
if everthing goes right, i get to the fireball waves
limpid siren
what do you usually do for lane dps?
spring chasm
im not good at that terminoligy. You mean what I usually do?
full finch
there's uh
ines, guardmiya, pudding, ebenholz
on that team
limpid siren
yea sorry
rose seal
ines can support maybe with s3??? idk just an idea
rose seal
im not good at that terminoligy. You mean what I usually do?
lane dps is how you usually pump out damage in a lane that needs it
full finch
prevents blockers from leaking
rose seal
Or dying
spring chasm
i put gummy on E6, a defender on g6, and before I used to put lin behind bubble and eben behind gummy. i tend to put ines first on the boars because of dp costs and fast redeploy baiting
in my eyes im really risiking myself using exalter
I feel like if yall saw my gameplay on previous chapters I would be roasted to hell
limpid siren
i'm not here to roast anyone
this just feels tough to figure out with what you have
full finch
whatever works, works
I saw a player who was in chapter 7 without ever having used a vanguard
limpid siren
❓
full finch
limpid siren
this setup feels like it's gonna be very weak when talulah is moving along that short line below
B6 and B7
full finch
eyjalt will get clapped
limpid siren
no one can sit below amiya because she will spread the burning breath to them and your whole setup will eventually implode
yea you just can't really have eyja there until talulah passes by tbh
can talulah reach executor from bottom?
full finch
not there
spring chasm
Nope
full finch
but gummy might have issues with the caster wave
limpid siren
could try to make sure bubble is last deployed between them
i.e. gummy first, then bubble
but yea uh
though
limpid siren
idk man this team feels shaky for all the pressure jt8-3 has
limpid siren
idk how you're gonna handle all the energy aggregates in phase two either
spring chasm
M8-8 was actually impossible for me
limpid siren
you probably get stuck tanking a bunch of the shots
spring chasm
But JT8-2, I just had to level up Ines to 70 to kill the ufo
full finch
my thoughts with JT8-3 are always:
"beanstalk is great. I love beanstalk"
spring chasm
full finch
beanstalk lets you skip an entire cycle of ignites, and she eats both ignites at the beginning of phase 2
limpid siren
i'm not very versed in modern jt8-3 strats 
full finch
I always just used beanstalk here
limpid siren
and i'm largely out of ideas that aren't just "have more levels on your key units"
full finch
blacknight would also probably work the same
scarlet mortar
my modern JT8-3 strat: use phantom better
limpid siren
i'm hungry too so i'm gonna go cook
scarlet mortar
full finch
enjoy your meal 
limpid siren
xolli told me he'd help you clear jt8-3 tho so gl all!
scarlet mortar
<:AimiCry:1130481908673957999> ❓
might wanna move eyja2 elsewhere for this
scarlet mortar
she's not in range of NG so she's basically dead from fireballs
spring chasm
I actually did the Dorothy event minus the ex stages
Just gotta list what mats to who
scarlet mortar
DOS is coming up so you'll have another dead week soonish
spring chasm
DOS?
scarlet mortar
design of strife
full finch
Just gotta list what mats to who
you'll need them all eventually so farm as much as you can
you could also use a planner for what immediately needs mats to know what to focu
but honestly you'll use anything you farm so... 
full finch
need a better base
scarlet mortar
you'll get more breathing room once you have a bunch of base slaves
full finch
farming LMD/XP is generally a loss since you could be farming chips/red certs/mats with that sanity
scarlet mortar
and a core roster ofc
full finch
ofc you farm LMD for base when you don't have a base
spring chasm
How does 15 support chip packs sound?
spring chasm
The stages never give what I need
scarlet mortar
that's why you farm them in dead weeks ig
they're colossal sanity sinks but you can't even guarantee the right type
and using the workshop is kinda cring without NCD
old arch
Okay so I know Schwarz works then.
Deploying her was a bit tricky because all the robots woke up. Hmm.
full finch
schwarz gaming
old arch
Even if I wanted this to be my clear, I don't have the units to survive the onslaught.
I could probably... deploy Schwarz earlier but... 🤔
Hmm.
full finch
clearing the sleeping gundams is preferred...
old arch
There's too many damn robots honestly.
full finch
but that may not be possible
full finch
cuora would be fine blocking them, but she'd leak anything else she's blocking
old arch
Yep.
full finch
because funni stun
old arch
I tried silencing it.
But it doesn't work. 😭
I guess... I could honestly probably drop Ptilopsis..
Okay nvm sec.
Shamare would help me kill the boss and deal with the robots, so maybe..?
full finch
she doesn't deal any damage but it would help with survivability
old arch
Yeah.
full finch
it would also make your phys work on the gundams but idk if that helps
old arch
Wait so I'm not quite sure how she works.
So she's S2M3.
I'd drop her doll next to the boss, so it does significantly less damage once it's P2. Or honestly whenever it's in a threatening position.
But that's only 15 seconds.
So the doll makes the boss more vulnerable to damage. From all my operators. Unfortunately, it still leaves me to do the job of killing it. But I hope that by that point Platinum has enough dps...?
However she also has a talent where she makes the boss take more damage from arts, meaning I can still do the Astesia + Amiya S2 combo. Right?
full finch
the fragile isn't very valueable and I wouldn't even remember it unless you're super desperate
old arch
I borrowed Schwarz to take out the boss, which works. But it also leaves me to deal with the aftermath.
Uhh. I'm thinking of Shamare but I can't quite figure out how to deeps the boss down if I do that.
old arch
I don't have him. 
vital arrow
Borrow
old arch
Oh.
spark sinew
i would borrow texas/yato ngl
from your previous screenshots the boss had very few hp anyway
there's also Ling angle
vital arrow
Mlynar can handle both the boss and the bots
old arch
He's that strong?
sullen rover
she needs like 5/6 deploys but thats on sleeping idt i tried her on one thats awake
full finch
mlynar should be able to easily solo the boss for both phases
full finch
and he will also solve the gundams
old arch
"easily solo"?
full finch
yes
vital arrow
Yeah sounds about right, texalt s2m3 takes 2 deployments for gundams
spark sinew
mlynar does damage
well you need to deploy other shit
old arch
Wait you're making him sound like he beats Schwarz and everyone else lol. 😭
sullen rover
oh youre borrowing mlynar?
i thought u were playing a funny niche or sth 
full finch
he does
vital arrow
He does
spark sinew
he beats schwarz so badly
full finch
mlynar is the literal damage ceiling
spark sinew
it's laughable
old arch
Oh my god.
full finch
you wanna borrow mine 
vital arrow
I did not exaggerate when I said mlynar is the damage ceiling
spark sinew
and he does this on 5? enemies at once
old arch
oh youre borrowing mlynar?
i thought u were playing a funny niche or sth <:Ceobe...
Uh well, I didn't know about Mlynar. I was borrowing um. Schwarz and figuring out how to borrow/utilize Shamare.
I've been trying to tackle it with my own account/operators but I don't have enough damage.
vital arrow
I mean, there should be a reason why everyone uses him no
sullen rover
just place him in the middle next to the left of cuora
he kills those gundams and the boss
old arch
you wanna borrow mine <:hellakek:1050769818095202334>
I may have to! Lol.
full finch
okay, I put up mlynar
feel free to borrow him if you want 
vital arrow
Youre not even in CM yet
vital arrow
CM
full finch
CM spawns dorothy
full finch
with CM stats
vital arrow
:clueless:
full finch
spark sinew
oh i wondered how they dealt with dorothy this explains it
well you can just mlynar the dorothy
full finch
mlynar also 1 cycles dorothy
spark sinew
so zzz
full finch
old arch
Wait.
spark sinew
lmao
old arch
CM boosts enemy stats right.
full finch
yes
old arch
Can Mylnar kill CM-boosted Awaken.
full finch
depends on the stage
vital arrow
Mlynar still handles them
full finch
oh yeah
old arch
Oh my god.
vital arrow
Hes the literal damage ceiling
old arch
Yeah.
Oh so I imagine he would've like. Killed Andoain from the last event.
Before he started moving downwards.
spark sinew
awaken is very funny boss
punishing shit that wants to stay on field (and can't spam bodies)
old arch
Oh.
spark sinew
schwarz or pozy would both 1 cycle phase 2
well i know pozy does, i assume schwarz does as well
full finch
without the dodge andoain is quite squishy
spark sinew
with 1 more range and all (and typewriter misses a lot on cm anyway)
full finch
pozy bad real
vital arrow
Better pull ray
old arch
Is he a Mylnar 2.0.
old arch
Wait.
full finch
mlynar has yet to be surpass in CN
old arch
Doesn't this mean that future content will be balanced around Mlynar.
full finch
mlynar was quite a while ago
spark sinew
mlynar is not a new op
vital arrow
Mlynar was like last year
spark sinew
so far it's been fine
old arch
Oh.
spark sinew
well...
full finch
he released before cc11
long epoch
If Mlynar gets surpassed, game will EOS soon. 
spark sinew
if you're looking at good ops in the future, you definitely want to pull degen
full finch
degenbrecher is apparently very good
her burst is very powerful but she has lots of qol that makes her much comfier to use
full finch
zuo le tho
spark sinew
reminds me, i should put stainless s1 into the planner
foggy grove
i would too if that stinky cat would come home
vital arrow
Hes so anime
full finch
go ahead
old arch
Okay so uh, for these bosses who have gimmicks or like, massive statlines or whatever, it helps to have an operator who can slaughter most of the ones released so far. For example, Patriot, and I remember a thing was how you initially needed Amiya S3 or whatever, but Schwarz just punches a hole through him. And a similar operator is the girl who spawns a crossbow. But before them I guess was it SilverAsh?
And then there's uhh... idk, Mlynar who seems to kill literally everything now (so far), and I guess Degenbrecher too(?).
So these boss-killer operators. Have they been powercrept or like, have any of them become irrelevant in the face of new content.
vital arrow
You mean like silverash
sullen rover
uh sa schwarz or wtv is pretty powercrept
vital arrow
Getting powercrept by mlynar
spark sinew
for patriot you never needed amiya s3 tbf
you can bruteforce every boss with mlynar degen
old arch
Who's WTV? Sorry. xd
vital arrow
"Powercreep" is a moot point here
sullen rover
whatever
old arch
Oh.
vital arrow
There are no powercreep because its a pve game
You have no rankings or meta to chase
spark sinew
you _can_ bruteforce every boss with mlynar degen
but you also have plenty of other options
vital arrow
You can clear with anything and everything you want
old arch
I guess my concern is that the game will move to a point where my operators won't work anymore.
And I need to get like Mlynar as the base... bottom line of power?
vital arrow
Silvergun is still clearing the game with *4s
spark sinew
so nothing is powercrept in terms of "you literally can't kill the enemy if you're only using old ops"
sullen rover
considering people still clear shits with 4 stars prob not
full finch
it won't be that exaggerated
vital arrow
Igneus is still a masochist that plays *5 only
spark sinew
but the power level of ops keeps rising, which is inevitability
old arch
I respect Igneus a lot! LOL
limpid siren
She's not too bad.
full finch
6⭐ burst is far and above much more powerful than lower rarities
foggy grove
unless there is extreme stuff like dos
Launch ops still clear just fine
spark sinew
so in a sense every operator will be "powercrept"
old arch
unless there is extreme stuff like dos
Launch ops still clear just fine
Okay. That's honestly a relief.
vital arrow
I mean HG can and will release stronger ops
old arch
I was worried that like.
vital arrow
How else are they gonna make money
spark sinew
they definitely do
vital arrow
And make content more interesting
old arch
I would have to say bye forever Estelle and Astesia.
spark sinew
i'm honestly concerned because the recent batches of 6* are very strong
full finch
astesia is uh
unusually poor in effectiveness
vital arrow
People play with weird shit everytime
limpid siren
people forget that power creep exists for both sides
foggy grove
ye recent enemy statline is getting higher
spark sinew
I would have to say bye forever Estelle and Astesia.
i mean if you didn't do it already
they're fine, you won't ditch them now
old arch
Estelle is too sweet for me to kick off the team. 😭
scarlet mortar
speaking of enemy creep, does DS-S-3 have a 4* record
full finch
enemy statcreep does also have a weird way of making some skills/units become relevent again
old arch
Thanks a lot everyone.
foggy grove
lol
old arch
If you also don't mind me revisiting an old topic, then, uh. Schwarz is a boss-killer. Is Eunectes too? (Since I have the latter.)
vital arrow
Sp issue
old arch
If I needed a boss-killer op in the future, it would be nice to level them up now too.
vital arrow
She doesnt block, she doesnt gain sp
old arch
For stat-checks and all that.
limpid siren
boss-killer is a bit of a red herring as a term
old arch
Oh
limpid siren
it's not that it's wrong, it's that it's potentially misleading
full finch
it genererally refers to burst units with decently high total damage that have generally high effectiveness
limpid siren
youtubers tend to use it if they want to sell an operator
vital arrow
Its the 'organic' tag for operators
limpid siren
but yea, there's a lot of overlap with units that simply dish out a lot of damage and what many call boss-killers
old arch
That makes sense!
scarlet mortar
speaking of enemy creep, does DS-S-3 have a 4* record
had to answer my own q mang
only up to S-1
civic bear
S3 is pretty hard gap
vital arrow
Anyone that hits hard is a bosskiller
old arch
Okay. I'm now going to borrow GCA's Mlynar and re-attempt DV-EX-8 lol.
vital arrow
What matters is how easy is it for them to hit hard
full finch
"decently high total damage" is fairly hard to reach for most non-6⭐
scarlet mortar
statsticks are a better way to put it than bosskiller
spark sinew
is superbuffed myrtle a bosskiller
vital arrow
She can beat patrick
spark sinew
obviously she is
vital arrow
So yeh
scarlet mortar
like yh you'd have the statsticks kill bosses, but some sticks are pretty unwieldly
eun is one
full finch
Okay. I'm now going to borrow GCA's Mlynar and re-attempt DV-EX-8 lol.
good luck
spark sinew
what would be your usual setup
for eunectes
getting sp from blocking trash is one step
limpid siren
she slaughters most trash anyway
spark sinew
ok, then?
limpid siren
then you press the funny button?
spark sinew
damn, the prep is not long enough
limpid siren
eunectes isn't a very complicated unit, just an inherently hamstrung one
scarlet mortar
there are elites that don't oneshot you and ones that do
spark sinew
i thought maybe you had some ideas to make it bigger
scarlet mortar
when you see the latter you click the funny button
limpid siren
yea liberators are questionably cheap to deploy
sullen rover
That power for 11 DP.
also rmb to let his trait stacks for maximum dmg
foggy grove
liberator need 40s to full stack
scarlet mortar
like generally the best fodder for eun is heavy defenders 
foggy grove
is the reason they are cheap
spark sinew
you don't really need to do that
although not at full charge he probably won't kill doro
void terrace
Damn
spark sinew
🤔
void terrace
Finally beat the runningan
Man
I am not doing his ending ever again holy shit
He is such a pain
Mostima is the only respite
scarlet mortar
did the spawncamp strat not work
void terrace
I ended up clearing without mostima
Hunters made him look like a joke
Skadi just chilled with him for the entire match
spark sinew
eunectes s3 is ST right
void terrace
Then goldenglow on steroids bursted him down
spark sinew
so that's usually the main jank with it
limpid siren
nah the main jank is just charging it
scarlet mortar
no she only attacks one now
scarlet mortar
iirc she used to hit equal to block
spark sinew
i think people were like "damn, skadi with bigger numbers"
scarlet mortar
uhhh was this year 1 misinfo
scarlet mortar
it's a really old thing i'm pretty sure eun almost never had centurion attack
but i do remember hearing abt it
foggy grove
only s2 attack like centurion right?
scarlet mortar
no it's ST
spark sinew
it just stuns whatever she's blocking
scarlet mortar
the stun is on block but not the attack
spark sinew
the only usage of s2 that i remember is from some lead seal shit
civic bear
Can hit multiple if u increase block
old arch
Uh I'd like to check. When everyone was saying that Mlynar can kill both phases of Awaken, you mean like. I have to kill it once, let his skill recharge, and then again right?
spark sinew
but idr if that even was max risk or
old arch
For ~80 seconds.
scarlet mortar
Can hit multiple if u increase block
foggy grove
why 80s
civic bear
Oh wait u mean the hit too?
The hit is still st yeah
Just multistun is possible p sure
scarlet mortar
ok phew
old arch
Yeah, his atk increases over 40s, and resets.
vital arrow
Because it takes 40s to recharge his skill.
You know his talent keeps stcking even if his sp isnt full right
vital arrow
Yeah
scarlet mortar
yh but both his atk and SP charge at the same time
old arch
I used him, he killed Awaken P1, and then I ran out of charge.
civic bear
It just means after skill u need to charge 40s for the stat
vital arrow
Then he charges for 42s for his sp
old arch
Oh ic ic ic.
scarlet mortar
when his skill's back up so is his atk stat
full finch
yeah 1 cycle for p1 and 1 cycle for p2
old arch
😭
full finch
mlynar good
old arch
I guess it's my first time using Mlynar so that's why the placment is so awful.
But he worked.
full finch
that's a good placement
vital arrow
If it works, it works
full finch
yep
vital arrow
Me when I use mlynar vs rusthammer
spark sinew
just bait with yato
old arch
Okay so um.
spark sinew
but also is3 is dead content anyway, and on d0 he can even tank
vital arrow
Rinse and repeat for cm
old arch
When I went on hiatus or whatever, I remember that an operator named Mudrock had just come out (kinda?). So...
full finch
mudrock good
old arch
I wonder like, statsticks and... their general effectiveness.
Rather than the misnomer boss-killer.
vital arrow
Shes good
old arch
But, Mudrock and Eunectes seem really similar right?
vital arrow
No
old arch
Oh.
vital arrow
Mudrock cant be healed
full finch
eun has SP problems
vital arrow
Mudrock blocks 3
old arch
Right. They have big tradeoffs right?
full finch
yes
old arch
Mudrock can't heal and Eunectes has sp problems. But they both smash everything.
vital arrow
Eunectes doesnt smash anything
full finch
but mudrock's drawback is basically non-existent
old arch
Eunectes doesnt smash anything
Isn't she a massive statstick.
vital arrow
She has sp problems
old arch
That can kill everything.
vital arrow
No one likes an op with sp problems
full finch
the main complain for her is that her burst is mediocre compared to dedicated burst units
(mudrock)
vital arrow
That can kill everything.
Try borrowing her and use her vs DV EX boss
scarlet mortar
uhh except nowadays mudrock's burst is ass
full finch
eun has enormous weighty burst
but she has huge SP issues making it inviable without extra effort
vital arrow
I wanna see how she kills it
full finch
also eun S3 is short range, and single target
vital arrow
Stats arent everything
full finch
making it even less flexible
vital arrow
A huge statstick that is unwieldy is not a good statstick
old arch
Yeah I mean, I wanted to avoid the term boss-killer haha. Since it's not necessarily accurate?
But uh, I read up on both of them because I have Eunectes and I remember Mudrock had just come out and before my hiatus, I was thinking, "They're similar."
So I was jw.
vital arrow
Shes mediocre regardless of bosses or not
Shes unwieldy
Mudrock is practically braindead
old arch
Wait. Could Mudrock kill Awaken.
vital arrow
No
old arch
Oh.
scarlet mortar
mud and eun are worlds apart in setup and usage
full finch
eun does clap bosses pretty well
it's just so agravating to do that nobody does it
spark sinew
mud could certainly do some damage
scarlet mortar
Wait. Could Mudrock kill Awaken.
can't even kill p1 awaken in DV-8
full finch
mud damage is fairly low actually
vital arrow
You drop her and she just stops enemies
full finch
but she has extremely high durability
scarlet mortar
source, i'm doing a 3op rn
spark sinew
but you're basically looking at one s3 damage
old arch
You drop her and she just stops enemies
Oh that's a good summary, thank you!
spark sinew
which won't be too big
spark sinew
feels much better vs a bunch of trash + elite coming up
scarlet mortar
also her atk stat isn't suited for above average def even on S3
spark sinew
so you mop the elites, use barriers on elite, and then also tank it with high def from s3
full finch
S3 ATK is like ~2100 iirc
scarlet mortar
she's sub-dps if anything, better used with an actual dps while she tanks
full finch
but it hits fast and on 3 targets
old arch
So Mudrock is a... drop-and-stop-lane because she can hold a lot of things off with her layers (and heal) and S3 kills a bunch of stuff.
full finch
mudrock usage nowadays is largely S2
scarlet mortar
if anything's killing her they're pretty bulky too
full finch
convienient self-sustaining lane blocker and DPS
old arch
If you had to explain Eunectes, um. She... blocks single enemies... and then she pops off once she gets enough sp right?
full finch
yes
vital arrow
Yes
vital arrow
The problem is getting said sp
full finch
she has excessively high durability and damage on skill
on 1 target in a small range
eun has many issues
scarlet mortar
mudrock usage nowadays is largely S2
there's a thing abt how you don't want to always worry abt timing S3
old arch
eun has many issues
I remember liking her tail a lot so I pulled for her LOL.
full finch
objectively I must say that S3 is the better skill
but nobody really uses it anymore
spark sinew
mudrock nowadays sits on the bench
i mean as long as you're using her to kill some trash lane and s2 does it, who cares
vital arrow
S3m3 mud is a relic of CC4
spark sinew
but 99% of the time s3 can also do it and then some
scarlet mortar
S2 is kinda the worse skill half the time but you'd rather bring a carry that solves the downside than mald with S3
full finch
S3m3 mud is a relic of CC4
you mean cc6
scarlet mortar
CC#6 yh
vital arrow
O right CC6 also uses mud
full finch
the funni last croc stall
vital arrow
Cursed blue box kill tile
full finch
cc6 was fun
and insanely cursed
@old arch do you want me to put up any other support units before I go to bed
currently is mlynar and texas alter
old arch
Wait btw.
full finch
my ling is lv70 and mod2
old arch
Are the other CMs easier than DV-EX-8 ver.
old arch
Yes.
full finch
uh
old arch
Hopefully.
scarlet mortar
awaken is kinda annoying so i'd say yh
full finch
somewhat
old arch
Okay whew.
full finch
DV EX is really hard
scarlet mortar
but then there's some fucked up ones
old arch
Thank you. I want to avoid using any more Mlynar aside from the Awaken map.
vital arrow
Its mostly the gundams
scarlet mortar
DV is the most statchecking event of its time lmao
old arch
But it's arts so I think that's why.
full finch
and have 50% damage res while unblocked
scarlet mortar
fuckers do arts and decided to have 1.2k def as a treat
old arch
Good night!
scarlet mortar
found it
this CM is vile
remember how we just said eun was one of this game's biggest statsticks
scarlet mortar
high warren
Op skills and placement help
It should be easy but idw mess it up
Got like 4 life point
vital arrow
D0?
high warren
Yeah
vital arrow
Yeah
Pozy left lane or botlane facing the middle so her S3 reaches the middle box
Use texas to stun the manta rays
And the boss later
Vulcan is just a dead slot
fluid fulcrum
high warren
Vulcan is just a dead slot
Is it fine with almost no blocking? 🤔
Which skill for eyja rosmontis
Do I retreat all op before boss phase 1 die and redeploy? 🤔
Where I kill boss
Do I bring surtr or switch for Ines or some
Jessica worth using?
Eyja s2 count for hand of flowin water collectible?
scarlet mortar
Is it fine with almost no blocking? 🤔
Which skill for eyja rosmontis
Do I r...
you don't want to get close to anything in IS3 anw
and highmore flies
i block a mob in that stage maybe one in four clears if i wanted to do the funny shalem spawncamp
left side gets all your ground dps, right side your anti-stingray dps, center just drop highmore with cexas and kill
d0 cexas should almost kill highmore by herself
if not then eyja does the same to phase 2
old arch
Oh my god.
😭 Everyone I did it.
I really did it.
It was near.
Near impossible.
But after 2 days.
I've beaten DV-EX-8 (and its CM variant).
Honestly I dedicate this win to Eckogen.
I uh, tried to use Mlynar but I couldn't honestly figure out how to use him effectively (since I don't own him and I've been using him as a support, but he's kind of janky to me to use). And of course I tried to avoid guides, but uh. Hmm. If you've been following, I managed to beat the boss on Normal without guides (but with Schwarz), but on CM, it was... just damn near impossible with my squad. So yeah, Eckogen. 😭
It was hard with my own existing ops + Dorothy (who does a lot of damage surprisingly). And the tankier-as-hell boss.
So I had to basically wipe out all the sleeping Gundams with Surtr until the boss got to this point (where I had been charging Astesia since the beginning, so now she's at max ASPD).
Then I used her + Swire + Sora. And just in time Surtr came up, so the two of them just nuked the boss down.
Then yeah. Gg. Just 2 robots and 2 healers so I was safe.
Thank you so much everyone for helping me these past 2 days. 😭 Lol.
I probably don't want to tag, but uh... everyone who's a regular here I guess. And has seen my questions hahaha. Thank you guys!
lapis hornet
high warren
you don't want to get close to anything in IS3 anw
Yeah
It was so easy idk Texas too op ig
glass monolith
My first IS4 win is so much rarity abuse I am not proud
novel pivot
My first IS4 win is so much rarity abuse I am not proud <:SkadiDaijoubu:83926919...
just be like me and always rarity abuse everywhere, so it's the standard and you no longer have to feel ashamed
waxen swan
My first IS4 win is so much rarity abuse I am not proud <:SkadiDaijoubu:83926919...
Tf you mean you dont rarity abuse on is 
glass monolith
There is difference between throwing MoM Lin at ending 1 and still have DEF left by end of combat
And bringing Mlynar, Reedic, Texas alter, Typhon, and still leaking half stage 
sullen rover
limpid siren
what's the lava boss
vivid rain
That one isnt that bad tbh
limpid siren
game loves sending me discount pursuer
scarlet mortar
nature's wrath is pretty straightforward, either you beat it or you fold
vivid rain
If you have a frd to put him on flame tile he takes a lot of damage
limpid siren
filing this away in my category of: arknights stages
scarlet mortar
there's not even much strat to it ngl the stage just funnels mob towards you
vivid rain
That stage is literally a stat check
scarlet mortar
S4-9 style
vivid rain
"Yeah just typhon the boss, and everything else ig"
limpid siren
tropic valve
Any tips how to beat IS#4 lava boss map on the 3rd floor?
2 ideas: 1) make him eat lava damage which applies a huge fragile, then take advantage of that DPS window to burst him down 2) just Schwarz to burst him down
tidal sedge
Corruption DoT is a 'melee attack'
From these guys at least
Corruption left on the ground doesn't trigger his s2 dodge
glass monolith
You can't dodge elemental damage (Source: Trust me, i have Flametail 
)
Also IS4 has some scuffed shit when elemental damage bar just don't appear for me for whatever reason
During funny Sarcaz Woman map i placed Mlynar between 4 trees, he had no elemental damage circle at him, but at some point i noticed he is affected by it already
tropic valve
kinda similar thing happened to me in IS3 where Mlynar got stunned by Izu'mik, and after a while he got out of stun animation (default standing and no more stun spinny) but remained functionally stunned (couldn't activate skill)
glass monolith
I hope they will fix that elemental bar fiesta before reedic rerun. Otherwise it will be funny to see people wtf at sudden burst of burn
latent monolith
You can't dodge elemental damage <:CeobeConfused:1151875108844097606> (Source: ...
this is not talking about elemental damage tho
glass monolith
Well you can see him losing 50 damage to true damage DoT from tree man.
civic bear
Wat. You can dodge ele dmg tho. Flametail can dodge corossion
Unless by "elemental" as in like folinic talent kind of elemental
glass monolith
You can dodge damage caused from corossion proc. Not fact that attack increase your build up
civic bear
Oh yeah not the buildup
glass monolith
While Eben third module cause him do elemental damage scaling from damage done instead ATK so enemy take less elemental build up if they resist, damage reduction, other cringe
Because why the fuck not
Wait lmao he actually dodged that cringe DoT like 3-4 times in that clip
latent monolith
Well you can see him losing 50 damage to true damage DoT from tree man.
Yeah but the dodge is indicated by regaining ammo
peak cloak
void terrace
Damn Ela just killed doro and W in one go
W S2 mines on demand and you can place them on ranged tiles for guaranteed damage
Dorothy mines upgraded radius when
If doro got elas mines on high ground and a mod to extend her mine trigger radius
Holy shit
Copium much
gray stone
Copium much
yeah not gonna happen
void terrace
Pain
gray stone
Ela has her exclusive mod delta
void terrace
Damn
gray stone
and I don't think Ela even compete against Dorothy
polar crane
salmon you have ela?
void terrace
I mean does Shu work with Dorothy?
polar crane
is ela good ? 
gray stone
salmon you have ela?
yeah her poosay is in my bio
gray stone
I mean does Shu work with Dorothy?
I guess?
void terrace
In theory you can dormamu I've come to bargain the enemy with Dorothy mines inbetween
gray stone
Teleporting on top of traps
void terrace
And a ranged op just booping them infinitely while their stuck in the ricefields and calling for their stepbro
gray stone
but Ela and Dorothy play completely different
void terrace
True ela has a bunch more tech
gray stone
Ela is Ash 2 basically
void terrace
Doro is more of stall and mapwide pressure reduction
Damn idk why but sometimes she just works. For some reason she carried my IS3 asc 15 runs
gray stone
It's because Ela having such a wide activation range that you are going to use it as a grenade than a trap
void terrace
3 mines buys you enough time for another round of texalt yalter beatdowns
Merchants burning your DP who
void terrace
It's because Ela having such a wide activation range that you are going to use i...
Damn
gray stone
3 mines buys you enough time for another round of texalt yalter beatdowns
Ela having 4 mines at max 
void terrace
Bruhhh
sullen rover
whats her pots upgrades?
gray stone
whats her pots upgrades?
+1 trap on deploy and 170% ATK scale (180% moduled)
sullen rover
huge gains…
glass monolith
Meanwhile me with relic to reduce curse when go hole going into every hole
silver garden
sly drift
Something I realized about Ela. She is trapmaster but HG clearly don't want you to play her the same way as other trapmaster. She instead have outrageous damage that cycle perfectly fine with her mines.
Literally upgraded Ash
With some global range mines if you can manage her skill + Mines
vivid rain
she's actually just better ash
ash still suffers from her stun not covering 100% of her mag for some reason
vernal lion
Ash 2nd mod has fixed that tho
vivid rain
doesnt she still have some bullets left after stun duration ends
sly drift
Ash 2nd mod has fixed that tho
Ela has highest peak skill damage right now isnt it. Surpasses Pozy + Typewriter
vernal lion
doesnt she still have some bullets left after stun duration ends
do you really care about the last 3 ammo tho
vivid rain
do you really care about the last 3 ammo tho <:CeobeConfused:1151875108844097606...
i mean that's 10% of her mag so lol lmao
long epoch
Imagine being cost as 4* Marksman but overdone for the cost.
vernal lion
smh
vivid rain
3 crit bullets will make a difference trust
latent monolith
Just win coin flips 3 times.
It's not a coin flip
unlike say irene you just don't get the bonus on not stunned enemies
long epoch
Ela crit chance is 50% without trap so it's kinda coin flip in a sense.
Oh you're talking about Ash I see. 
vernal lion
lilac laurel
Guys, does Blaze module makes her compete with current year lane holders or its just a interesting upgrade?
sullen rover
great upgrade
nowhere near the likes of exalter chongyue
lilac laurel
rip, maybe its not worth the upgrade after all
spark sinew
it's strong enough that she got back into some low step clears i think
but yeah ig you're not allergic to pressing buttons, kinda ehhh
eager gate
lilac laurel
Actually I don't like to use Chong because of the pressing and the low block count... Hahaha
Maybe I should update Blaze, drop and forget hahaha
vernal lion
trading less block count for big ass dmg, truly worth
lilac laurel
The years of using Blaze, thorns, mountain, mudrock conditioned me to more or less just forget about my laneholds once they are in position
So even activating his skill is like... Huffff
I'm small brain, very smooth
vernal lion
then why play the game...
severe venture
So fking close 
I forgot to change Typhon skill
vernal lion
just spam Yato
severe venture
just spam Yato
I was doing that. Mudrock leaked and F
severe venture
Right side can't hold. Idk what op use there
spark sinew
healer situation is dire
severe venture
I didn't get a single healer in the whole run lol. But I had two hp regeneration (not enough)
glass monolith
Mayer S2 not affecting stunned dogs is such BS
limpid siren
My favourite part is how it’s very much not a mistake you make just once
I still get jebaited by it despite how often i used her in is3
glass monolith
I want to explode this fucking crying dog 
glass monolith
d1 is still -20% score? Fuck that
spark sinew
still easy mode yes
the worst part is that you can't skip this mandatory "easy" mode
glass monolith
Well d1 done, no fucking clue what is ending 2 condition, life is good
Now if only i can learn how to play this dumb mode without Typhon each time
lilac laurel
Just pick Typhon all the time, no need to learn more
spark sinew
never really felt the need for typhon
although maybe all those "2 lane" maps fool people into picking typhon?
but usually the second lane is like, 1 mage every 40 seconds
that you can just yato
glass monolith
Typhon solves my issue of "Fuck those casters" because she kills them
gray stone
Well d1 done, no fucking clue what is ending 2 condition, life is good
You can tell from the unlock screen that the requirement to get end2 is using the new foldatals