strategy

[gray stone]

Yeah it was reviving in the first image

But the robots onslaught requires a Ptilopsis S2 basically

[limpid siren]

amiya s3 should be about 40k total damage, i'd pick that over s2

[limpid siren]

or a shamare

[old arch]

There's a lot of things to address. Okay so.

First, I switched Myrrh with Silence.

Uhh. Ptilopsis S2.. I could see if I can hold onto it, but the robots will still hit me even after S2 runs out. What do I do then? (It's S2M3.)

[limpid siren]

[old arch]

My issue is that I need S2 to take out the robot mooks right? If I use S3, it's literally reserved only for Awaken and I only get to use it once basically?

Or am I misunderstanding.

[limpid siren]

this is your duct tape for oddball teams

[limpid siren]

a second use would require a pretty early kill yea

i used leizi to manage most of the mook spam

looking over what you have

[gray stone]

I assume you are playing with 4-5 stars + Siege

Astgenne is free from the shop

[old arch]

Erm, yes! It's just my favorite ops!

[limpid siren]

actually i'm not sure if you are even open to the idea of borrowing a support unit

[old arch]

So... I would be open to it maybe? But I feel that if I bring in SilverAsh or like, uhh.. Schwarz or whatever, this would basically be easy right?

I want to see if I can auto this with my own ops. But I understand if you guys are like.

There's no shot haha.

[limpid siren]

i can't really help with 6* stuff

i was thinking of shamare instead

since the pressure points as i see it are:

1. killing awaken
2. surviving the rocket onslaught

[old arch]

Yep. Killing Awaken P2, specifically.

And rockets yeah. 😭

[limpid siren]

hmm

[scarlet mortar]

there's a shot but i'd rather have access to your account

bc i can't scaffold a clear out of a roster too specific

[limpid siren]

i think if you repositioned a bit

so that gitano can spend more time fighting the waves of enemies

[old arch]

Lol nono it's okay! I appreciate that but like, in all honesty, I'm asking a lot from everyone and being so... specific and difficult because like.

[limpid siren]

that might be worth trying

[old arch]

I want to clear this by myself as much as I can.

[limpid siren]

i'd like to try and shift amiya away from s2 and onto s3

[old arch]

But I really do appreciate the offer!

I'm also not using guides atm so.

[limpid siren]

but i don't know if gitano can handle all that pressure the same way a chain caster can

[old arch]

I'm sure KyostinV has a solution but..

I'll watch him after I beat this lol.

[scarlet mortar]

yh it's just that half the time i might suggest sth that doesn't work bc i'm not sure how well e.g. gitano and astesia would do for a hypothetical strat

[old arch]

Yeah Gitano's been okay but...

Hmm.

Yeah I know the boss is also resistant to arts.

But I've been using Astesia as the killer.

Hmmm.

Wait.

This is crazy but.

Meteor + Platinum...?

[limpid siren]

where gitano is placed here is where i had leizi

[old arch]

Wait.

How do you get that.

[limpid siren]

watching through my run now it looks like i set up to kill the boss p1 on E6

https://map.ark-nights.com

[old arch]

Also, I did do that initially but. Only issue is that there are also enemies who come from G10 -> G9 -> F9.

I've also postponed deploying Gitano until boss teleports to E6 because he does too much damage for me to heal her out of it.

[limpid siren]

i tank that damage with silence

[old arch]

LOL.

I do too! But then she dies during the period where there's no drone and it's on cd! 😭

[limpid siren]

that's where my shamare helps

when drone is on cd i have shamare's doll down to cut the boss' atk stat in half

[limpid siren]

as for this it looks like i dropped nearl there to plug that hole

[old arch]

Okay I'm going to try this all out.

[limpid siren]

would you like to try borrowing shamare?

[old arch]

Um, is it cool if I reach out to you later once I lose all hope? LOL.

[limpid siren]

i think my other thought is that a chain caster such as astgenne might handle the waves of enemies better than gitano, but i'm not sure how willing you are to pick her up and then raise her

there is no rush

move at your own pace

[old arch]

Astgenne is fine on my list.

She's Astesia's sister LOL.

[limpid siren]

she has a very pretty skin in the shop too

[old arch]

Yeah I got it LOL.

But uh.

So she manages the waves better than Gitano?

I guess is it her specifically or her archetype?

[gray stone]

Well yes

[limpid siren]

she might, i don't know

the enemy pacing favours how chain casters work though

their bouncing attacks will often hit more enemies than a splash caster's attacks in a stage like this

[gray stone]

Don't think Gitano can be that good when her skill cost like 70 SP

I don't know much about Astgenne's post-mod performance

[limpid siren]

she has a fairly linear power growth

base mod is a healthy bump, but she doesn't get a power spike the same way leizi does

[old arch]

Ooh Amiya's S3 is not good.

There's too many mobs.

In the way of Awaken's pathing.

[limpid siren]

[old arch]

LOL it's okay.

I'm thinking of... something crazy.

Well, we'll see.

But thanks. 🙂

I have a crazy idea, it's fine!

[limpid siren]

quite a tough boss for your roster

best of luck

[old arch]

Thank you! ^^

[quick pecan]

astgenne basically want what every chain caster wants

e2 + base module

her mastery gains are somewhat lackluster

module levels brings her atk interval to like 1.8s which can be comfortable for a multi target focused archetype that usually attacks slower

[glass monolith]

I had fun in texas alter event bypassing some cleaners by killing final enemies with "chain do same damage"

[quick pecan]

i do like that s2 has a range extension

you could argue it matters less because of the way chain casters bounce but sometimes caster placement on certain maps really appreciates having that anti air sniper range to reach a certain enemy

[old arch]

I... yeah.

I think this isn't possible. I'm probably going to go to sleep and I'll keep at it maybe one more day haha.

If it's not possible with my roster, then I'll just use a support unit! (And of course, raise Astgenne which I was going to do later, but I don't think the mobs are the problem atm. It's moreso killing Awaken on time and lacking the dps to do so.)

[limpid siren]

you can get there

[lapis hornet]

hey guys is els good?!

is she like ex tier?

[vocal leaf]

who is els? elsa? nah she’s pretty bad, let it go ❄️

[limpid siren]

She’ll probably be the new hot shit that people hype until the next shiny object appears

[vernal lion]

mf he missed the last bomb

[limpid siren]

Old man is too slow

[vernal lion]

but yeah, calculating to hit all 5 bombs is literally hard

too fast or too slow, all will miss few bombs

[limpid siren]

Nice to see his grenades at least scale well with support

S1 looked alright too

[vernal lion]

yea

[limpid siren]

Looks like ash still misses a few bullets

Fun little prank

[cinder pike]

Looks pretty good

[limpid siren]

Yea

+2s is a godsend for her

[vernal lion]

it's like x2 better than no mod

[limpid siren]

Doesn’t matter if she still misses some bullets, that’s just a quirk of ash at this point

[sullen rover]

just use project red..

[limpid siren]

Wasn’t even worth it back in the day

I did do stuff like that, but yea it’s kinda grim that she was totally reliant on help to even reach her total damage ceiling

[cinder pike]

anyone else who increases aspd outside of aak

[sullen rover]

uh angelina

upcoming is shu +25 aspd from skill and another +12 if u proc her talent

[limpid siren]

Elysium should get her those last few bullets

[cinder pike]

what about exu

[foggy grove]

what about her

[void terrace]

Damn Ive forgotten how good ling is in low difficulty IS

Without corrosion DMG screwing over her dragons 24/7 she ploughs through stages

Helps that boss 1 and 2 can be killed fast or stalled till the end of the stage respectively

Her dragons can just do their thing in peace

Also yalter>>texalter for is4

[sly drift]

Only three bullets left after stun over. Wouldn't complain.

[vernal lion]

three bullets are only worth a Red s2 skill

[sly drift]

At least they tried

Anyway no Ela topic yet? I thought everyone hyped?

Number and comparison and shits

[worthy fern]

How

The hell

[vernal lion]

I think you did burst its phase 1, no?

[worthy fern]

I thought « kill asap » and uhh

[sly drift]

Seems so

[vernal lion]

RNG talent, but 100% proc with mine

seems fine

[sly drift]

So it's Ash tier after all eh.

[vernal lion]

she seems like a supporter with cc effect, not same tier with Dorothy

[sly drift]

She can only bring 4 mines at most honestly disappoint me

[vernal lion]

3 mines if no pot

[sly drift]

Cringe

[vernal lion]

but she's like the only op that can give fragile in anytime you want

I mean you can use her mine to apply fragile easily

35% fragile with s3m3

[sly drift]

Do you think she's viable for end game?

[vernal lion]

her trap doesn't do damage

it's pretty depended on operator's attack

but the trap has detection range, which is like W s2 mine

also all 3 skills have various uses

[worthy fern]

Completed the stages

Ain’t doing it over

[glass monolith]

Good. Now 3 star them

And if you resist i will ask for CM too

[vernal lion]

but again I don't think Ela has a chance for end game

[worthy fern]

Not doing it

[spark sinew]

[sullen rover]

wdym by end game

[vernal lion]

the later the game will be

[glass monolith]

End game is POO 3 CC2.2 giving you summons cost +15DP risk or something

[vernal lion]

Ela works like a semi supporter, with cc effect and debuff

[worthy fern]

Soo ash better.?

[vernal lion]

ash is just, decent

no stun = useless

[sullen rover]

so ela will get powercrept soon?

[vernal lion]

yea

[sullen rover]

[sly drift]

Ela can only bring 3-4 mines. She get more mines ONLY after skill ended. If you use mines to support other ops you will likely ended up not have mine anymore by the time Ela skill up. Ela deal stinky damage if that happens.

Using mines only for Ela only is stinky too.
Ela is weird solely because she can only bring 4 mines.

[vernal lion]

it is

but she's balance

[sly drift]

Yea

Not very strong like what ppl expected

[civic bear]

wat

she is the end game support

[vernal lion]

tbh, she's like a bit of this, that, and those

[civic bear]

endgame appreciates every different way of supporting

[sly drift]

Longer skill cost risk and it will completely disable her

[sullen rover]

why

[spark sinew]

ela has 35? fragile

with decent damage

[civic bear]

u make it sound like longer skill cost wouldnt disable every other support either

suzuran with -0.9 sp risk vs this

clear winner

she literally is built to fight against sp risk

and rare (but happens often enough) supporter soft/hard ban

[sly drift]

Sir. Read this

[civic bear]

so? just turn it off

you can still farm mines if you want to

and unlike suzuran her slow fragile is divided in 7s
meaning you can just use as much as you need to

instead of slowing for 30s when you only need 20

its all trade off

one or the other will get used eventually

[sly drift]

Do you aware that she can only bring 3 mines at Max sir

[civic bear]

4

yes i know

[sly drift]

4 if you have pot 5

[civic bear]

its still max 4

u just start with 3

if not p3

not like ela herself need to always use her mines to combo with her either

[vernal lion]

it's just preloaded mine, yes

[sullen rover]

so ela busted?

[sly drift]

Pot 3 isn't so bad

[sullen rover]

but powercrept soon?

[sly drift]

Maybe I can pull it

[vernal lion]

but at least that she will be pretty good for IS

[sly drift]

How long is S3m3 cooldown

[vernal lion]

34

[sly drift]

It still look horrible even if you use s3 as mine farm

Cope for her mod

Increase max capacity

[civic bear]

if she isnt very strong then what else is strong is she like degen mlynar strong? no but her usage is well strong for endgame content.
being jack of all trades are usually known for being bad. but this level of mastery is like 8/10 atleast

[vernal lion]

I mean I don't say that she's not totally for end game, it's just that we didn't put this on the test

but her skill set is pretty much for trap only

[sullen rover]

u cant spam her mines like dorothy = bad?

[sly drift]

Yea. We dont say she is bad
Her mechanic just weird and not viable for end game

[civic bear]

how is it not viable do explain

[glass monolith]

Just slap E2 Ptilo for -7.85 seconds, then attach Stainless S2 and find way to feed Warf + Saga

[vernal lion]

mine needs to be refilled every time you use skill, and her skill is manual, not auto

[sly drift]

It probably much better if she gain mines after skill activation. Not after skill ends

[civic bear]

but you can just disable it anytime

[vernal lion]

that is s3 only right

[civic bear]

have you thought about
use skill use up all mines. end skill then use another 2 mines?

[sly drift]

S2 have offensive recovery
We don't even talk about it

[vernal lion]

s1 has use of -40% accuracy of physical and arts dmg

pretty cope

[sullen rover]

why?
just dont use her skill 1

[civic bear]

gnosis literally has the same cycle if you use skill till end

13/53 gnosis vs 14/54 ela

each of them all have their own strength

[vernal lion]

the only good think I think about her is the fragile from s3 doesn't need any condition out of getting hit by it, which is pretty nice

suzu needs to slow to apply fragile, gnosis needs to freeze to get max debuff

[sly drift]

If we talk only about mine debuff. It's not any better than Shamare at this point. She basically do perma

[sullen rover]

so shes better than suzu?
that pretty good

[vernal lion]

I don't say that

[sullen rover]

unconditional fragile > conditional fragile?

[vernal lion]

mine has limited

and only 7 sec of duration

[sullen rover]

ok so suzu still better

[vernal lion]

suzu is better in term of duration

[civic bear]

on deploy has 28s worth
then can farm 14s worth after

[sullen rover]

28s is pretty good its about mlynar skill duration

[civic bear]

her main appeal is its global +instant

[vernal lion]

ok her mod is not bad at all

the mod really saves her

[civic bear]

bruh ofc

ltierally made for her

[vernal lion]

but like, if you're end game player, you will care every little detail of it

normal player will struggle with the limit number of her mine

and they will realize it can't deal dmg

[civic bear]

its an endgame op

that kit goes crazy under heavy restriction

[vernal lion]

that's for sure

[karmic glade]

Its the second delta mod ever, seems like delta mod are mods that are specifically made for that op

[void terrace]

Hmmm does Dorothy work against the treescar running mofo

I'm tired of having to pick mostima

[spark sinew]

good thing she can pack a punch even without mines

if you want some trash cleaner

[spark sinew]

pick qani if you want

[void terrace]

Qani?

Who that

Oh him

[vernal lion]

pick Santalla

[void terrace]

Wait the mofo is goddam immune to bind????

Shit whelp I picked doro already damit

Whelp time to hunt for mostima

Does gnosis work?

[spark sinew]

lol no

[void terrace]

Bruh literally only mostima works on him

Well at least she gets to shine i guess

Ho'ol?

He probably runs too fast tho

[foggy grove]

where is that funny gif where ho'ol missed

[karmic glade]

You can also use https://gamepress.gg/arknights/operator/qanipalaat , but you need to press the skill the moment it start running

Or just bring two defender two healer, its not that hard

[vernal lion]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/648597785444220941/1180448927162572820/img_v2_29059575-0a1a-4874-add4-61ad53f6e1dg.gif?ex=657d75bb&is=656b00bb&hm=bcd75b38a1cf190c997ff30a63d42358ab1e718b5c78aa53d58bacafeb827372&

[glass monolith]

This shit is reason i don't want to play IS4

[vernal lion]

btw I won this

Ash 2nd mod is literally 6 sec of s2 stun

[neat thorn]

Hello, I have a small problem with the decrypted experimental 04

I destroyed everything but I still didn't get it

[glass monolith]

Have defender + medic stall something for ages while you go around killing asleep armor

Not practice run

[neat thorn]

I destroyed all of them while they were asleep in normal run

Not a single one awaken

[glass monolith]

Wait isn't decrypt now means you did it and need to fucking press button to claim?

[neat thorn]

Or do I need to awake them ??

[vernal lion]

[neat thorn]

No when I click it just send me to the lvl

[vernal lion]

do you remember correctly that you have defeated all the mechs?

[neat thorn]

Yeah I even made mudrock tank the last enemy for surtr to destroy the last mecha

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBDPhZSVMio&ab_channel=oyuki_ch

[civic bear]

Do it again

There's 6 right

[scarlet mortar]

inb4 you missed the top right one

[glass monolith]

issue with some "Why it didn't work?" questions is that without some video/screenshot of state of stage it is hard to tell

[glass girder]

Hi
I keep hearing that Ines is amazing for IS3 and IS4 but I don't really know why
Is she just generally a good Vanguard?
In what situation would I use her?

[spark sinew]

she's just broken in everything yes

[glass monolith]

I didn't use her in IS, but i friend supported her on multiple cases already because damage, DP, invis reveal

[karmic glade]

In IS4 things run really really fast, its nice to have a vanguard with cheap cost that consistently bind stuff

[glass monolith]

And HG REALLY LOVE INVIS BULLSHIT IN PAST 2 YEARS

[spark sinew]

while foxwhite is here
if i have thorns chongyue mizuki fia

what would be the tiles to spawncamp and which ones to cut
i assume i need some blockers still

[glass girder]

If I were using Ines in IS4, would I pick her at the start of my run or somewhere in the middle?
I'm mostly using Gavial Alter as my start rn

[bold lance]

Ines start seemed pretty awful. You want block capacity/AoE for a lot of early stages.

[karmic glade]

idk, this is such a easy anni I cleared it first time without guide, you can probably do it with some good healer

[spark sinew]

dolly spawns on the top left?

[glass girder]

So probs somewhere in the middle-ish

[glass monolith]

99% of stuff pass here or circle around fountain (Including invisible skateboards). Tornado sheeps will pass middle column before going loop around fountain. Boss path is meme because it just spins around stuff and phase 2 don't even attack

[karmic glade]

dolly walks everywhere so it doesn't really matter

dolly walks around the entire map for like 2 times

[glass monolith]

Bottom left box - all copter sheep. Bottom right box - all skateboard sheep. Left boxes - Normal sheep, ranged sheep, caster sheep, about dozen BIG FELLAS at end. Top box all tornado sheep

[karmic glade]

all of the elite are normal variance

[gray stone]

damn that's a chonky mag

[glass monolith]

Man can't wait for next week because upcoming Anni looks so free

[spark sinew]

which one was that

[lapis hornet]

isn't every anni free

[spark sinew]

to a point

if you clear it fully every anni is 25 sanity

[gray stone]

iirc chapter 12 one with trees

[glass monolith]

Grand Chief + IC if i didn't miscope

[vernal lion]

it's IC anni

[glass monolith]

2 choke points. Hole. fun

[vernal lion]

ChongYue tile

[glass monolith]

I still have no Chongus or any idea which tile is his

3 Croc Brutes in Taxi

[spark sinew]

oh dolly spawns in the middle

damn

[glass monolith]

Don't worry it is very easy to follow

[vernal lion]

[glass monolith]

wait.... What is on top most and bottom most lanes again?

[spark sinew]

yeah he's a bit frail

[vernal lion]

bottom lane is car lane

you won't kill car there

[glass monolith]

Don't try me, i have nothing to gain

[gray stone]

huh

CR gimmick is straight line attacks

[vernal lion]

I mean, you like this?

[vernal lion]

as I said

[glass monolith]

Sir you don't use cat to chase cars.
Apply dog

[vernal lion]

nah, cat'd win

now kiss

modX is kinda good for him

[glass monolith]

Cats jump high.
YO MINIMALIST, HOLD THIS CONTROLLER

[vernal lion]

yea, it's easy anni

[glass monolith]

Phase 1 down, win is free. literally nothing to really hurt you

[spark sinew]

you're cheating

duping thorns

[vernal lion]

[silver garden]

i need help with jt8-3

[glass monolith]

Don't place operators next to each other (diagonals are fine) so burn don't spread
Friend support Nightingale
Enjoy suffering

[silver garden]

aaaaaaaaaa i tried for like a day now

schwing schwing is not deleting

[glass monolith]

2.5 days, 78 attempt

[silver garden]

wow

any good plans

[vernal lion]

Kal'tsit

[glass monolith]

Depends on what you have, but i would aim for any plan which is not "Try to burst boss without tanking cuz idk"... At least in phase 1. Bursting phase 2 before cancer crystals is fun

[silver garden]

my ops

[tidal sedge]

What is R6 Ela supposed to be? Is she a boss killer?

[sullen rover]

what about gavalt and blaze main lane ptilo to heal and blemi to block talulah?
bring 2 frd

[sullen rover]

shes gud support global range slow 35% on demand fragile

her dmg also kinda good

but not rly mlynar and degenbrecher lvl

[tidal sedge]

So she's a support that literally place plenty of thrm ex

Sounds balance, maybe

[silver garden]

AAAAAAAA wait do i still need the bait units

[scarlet mortar]

i mean her mines cap at 4 unlike 10 for usual trapmasters

buuuuuut yh

[sullen rover]

yeah 2 frd to bait

[scarlet mortar]

2024 op

[sullen rover]

bring healers

and also SA to kill the uh flowers

[silver garden]

flowers

what flowers

[sullen rover]

the flower that she spawns they fart in a cross

only in phase 2 iirc? its been awhile

also u can boroow like eyjalter to heal

[vital arrow]

cant you just tank and spank with that squad

[vernal lion]

someone agrees with me

[silver garden]

i heard nithingale was good

[sullen rover]

ng gud ye cuz she gives res and the fireball is uh arts dmg

she heals rly bad tho
id rather just use eyjalter its not like blaze blemi and gavalt will get 1 shot by the fireball

[vital arrow]

theyll get 3 shot instead

[sullen rover]

shuld be enuf for eyjalt to heal no?

[vital arrow]

maybe not

[sullen rover]

🤔

[vital arrow]

maybe she can keep up with like ptilo help

[sullen rover]

im pretty sure i used e1 perfumer silence and sus
ptilo and eyjalt shuld have similar performance maybe even better

[vital arrow]

is this eyja s1 or s3

[sullen rover]

s3

u just activate it during the wave

[vital arrow]

depends on how many ops are tanking the fireballs

[sullen rover]

its like 3? gavalt blemi and blaze
maybe he can retreat blemi during the wave and deploy someone else

[vital arrow]

yeah, depends on how many are tanking

[sullen rover]

so only needs to heal 2

[vital arrow]

mobs also spawn during the wave no

[sullen rover]

gavalt and blaze shuld take care of it ez
i dont rmb it being a heavy dps requirement

[vital arrow]

I'll just try it myself

[silver garden]

like for the lane

how bout the talulah

[vital arrow]

tank and spank

[sullen rover]

block her with blemi

then switch to like hoshi during the second wave

[silver garden]

oh wait someone did say something abt using tacticians

[vital arrow]

what about them

burn bait?

[glass monolith]

Just don't use Vigil and retreat pets when they got burn. Just need to remember that pets must be last most deploys

Also because Mumu dodged me i don't know how long is respawn on her water

[vital arrow]

if your mountain is E2 this would me much easier

[silver garden]

i like that schwing schwing

[silver garden]

no clue

there was smth abt beanstalk tho

ya i think bait

[vital arrow]

yeah tis burmnbait

[vital arrow]

yeah no eyja dies

[silver garden]

is there like a good guide

[vital arrow]

the usual low rarity guides

with 2 frd baits

[glass monolith]

After doing 2 frd once, i don't want to do anything like that ever again

[silver garden]

should i borrow thorns or nightingale

[vital arrow]

nightingale

you can just wallhack with blaze if you need more damage

[silver garden]

where do i place blaze tho

[sullen rover]

damn just go ng ptilo then shuld be fine

[silver garden]

wait what guide do i use

[vital arrow]

whichever place facing the inside stairs

any guide works

just mix and match

as long as you know what to bait

and when to use NG skill

[silver garden]

whats ng

[sullen rover]

nightingale

[vital arrow]

NightinGale

[silver garden]

OHHH

[sullen rover]

wut

[vital arrow]

?

[silver garden]

red guy is blaze

[vital arrow]

okay?

[silver garden]

do i like put her there

[vital arrow]

you do know where talulah eventualy ends up right

[silver garden]

is it the middle box

[vital arrow]

have you tried the stage

[silver garden]

OHH WAIT IS SHE GOING TO LIKE TANK?

[sullen rover]

put gavalt facing down in midnight place
and blaze there is uh fine ig

[silver garden]

yes with little to no luck

[vital arrow]

have you seen talulahs whole pathing

[silver garden]

yes

top right bot right right mid

[vital arrow]

I did say blaze can wallhack and face her to the inside of the middle box

[silver garden]

wait let me update

[vital arrow]

that works

[silver garden]

oh wait is it the bottom

[vital arrow]

any tile works

as long as she helps dps the mid box

and doesnt mess up your setup

[silver garden]

ahhhh okok

ill go try first

wait galter at like midnights place right

[vital arrow]

you could try

[silver garden]

oh ya also what can nightingales cage be used for

[vital arrow]

Tanking fireballs

[silver garden]

ohhh

which ng skill do i use

[vital arrow]

S3, her only skill

[silver garden]

ayyy okok

[sullen rover]

this work fine
ignore the leak i forgor to prss gavalt skill

[silver garden]

does e2 level 60 work

[vital arrow]

Whos tanking tal

[sullen rover]

use blemi and hoshi

[silver garden]

which one is tankier

[vital arrow]

You switch

[sullen rover]

you retreat them during the fireball wave to reduce the healing pressure and place the other one when its over

[silver garden]

oh ya also when to proc gavalt skill

[silver garden]

OHHH ICIC

[sullen rover]

like whenever ur ng skill is up
u pres gavalt skill to kill tal

[gray stone]

NG should be able to handle 3 lanes anyway

[sullen rover]

also to proc her skill to kill the uh spear guy

[silver garden]

OHHHH ICIC

welp time for the first try

[gray stone]

yeah, most of the problem in this stage comes from mobs spawning during Infernos

[silver garden]

which galter skill is it again

[sullen rover]

s2 is the wall hack one

[silver garden]

okiesss

ok so

first issue

elysium isnt generating dp fast enough

[sullen rover]

uh what potential is ur elysium?

[silver garden]

pot1

[sullen rover]

u can just open with myrtle and saga instead

[silver garden]

my myrtle is still e1

[sullen rover]

ye she shuld gen dp quicker for u to stableize

[silver garden]

like at the beginning of the stage

i dont have enough dp to deploy blaze

and galter

[flat sapphire]

Pretty sure you do

[silver garden]

i cant proc elysiums skill before the dogs go through

[sullen rover]

can u try open with myrtle > saga s3 > baits then blaze

[silver garden]

okok ill try

[flat sapphire]

Bruh

[silver garden]

wait

wot

[vernal lion]

[silver garden]

so i dont need to bait them at the beginning

[sullen rover]

ye just proc ng skill those guys shuld survive

[silver garden]

oh so without elysium

it works

[vernal lion]

the first time Talulah will proc the explosion early, so your op won't die under the pressure of DOT dmg from burning breath

[flat sapphire]

Plus blez has immortality

[silver garden]

can i deploy kroos to help galter

she seems to have trouble clearing

[flat sapphire]

Just keep in mind to not place ur ops adjacent to each other

[silver garden]

i dropped them like this

[flat sapphire]

Ng should manage the healing iirc

[vital arrow]

Phase 2 explosion will probably kill them

Unless you bait

[silver garden]

oh ya elysium died there

[vital arrow]

Just bring baits

[flat sapphire]

Move gavalt 1 tile up and switch ptilo with ng but place ptilo 1 tile right face up or left should be better

[silver garden]

confusion

[flat sapphire]

That way ng would cover everyone

[silver garden]

jesus phase two explosion murdered everyone

[flat sapphire]

Like burning breath explosion?

[silver garden]

i just called it kaboom

but yes that

[flat sapphire]

That's why u need to not place them adjacent

[silver garden]

i forgot to bait it

[silver garden]

also for that one wait

still confused

[flat sapphire]

Hang on

Lemme do it rq

[silver garden]

okiess

[flat sapphire]

U can place blez where red is if u have ng mod

[silver garden]

i do have the ng mod

[spark sinew]

who cooked this paradox
i wonder if it's level locked

[flat sapphire]

She can help dps talulah

If u place her there

[silver garden]

ok ill try

[glass monolith]

I did it on e2 1

Remember, reaper bleed outscales all BS we can do

[spark sinew]

stronk

[silver garden]

ok so why does this spear guy keep ignoring galter

[spark sinew]

was curious if you could

[flat sapphire]

2 block, she can't block 2 of them

[silver garden]

should i proc the galter skill arlier then

[flat sapphire]

Yes u can

[silver garden]

wait ill try

[flat sapphire]

Oh i forgor. Ptilo would prob die there lmao

[silver garden]

what why

[flat sapphire]

Coz u block talulah on top of ptilo

[silver garden]

i can deploy blemi

[flat sapphire]

Old placement works mb

U can just move ptilo 1 tile left again

Should be ok as long as blez doesn't get burning breath

Which she shouldn't coz she's 1st deploy

[silver garden]

wait so

[silver garden]

this one?

[flat sapphire]

Just move ptilo 1 tile left

U still want ng top

For gavalt

[silver garden]

ohhh

smh that spearguy keeps on running past

[flat sapphire]

Use skill

[silver garden]

i did

not enough time

[flat sapphire]

Eh wat

[silver garden]

wait ptilo to the left would mean that the + fire would hit blaze and ng right

OK I MADE IT

when should i proc ng skill again

[flat sapphire]

Before u kill talulah

U need her s3 to survive

[silver garden]

like fireball?

[flat sapphire]

Ya

[silver garden]

ahh icic

[flat sapphire]

Might wanna place a doll to tank for ng and gravel to tank for ptilo

[silver garden]

okok

so just before tal dies i proc her s3

like her first death right

[flat sapphire]

U can proc it a bit before

Both deaths

She does fireball on both phases

[silver garden]

okok

blaze and galter wont die right

[flat sapphire]

Nah

[silver garden]

so

blaze died

[flat sapphire]

No wae

[silver garden]

yes

yes wae

its okay

ill bring in my emergency schwing schwing

[flat sapphire]

SA?

[silver garden]

yes

[flat sapphire]

Would help with the frd bait too

[silver garden]

JESUS HOW THICC IS THIS BTCH

MY SCHWING SCHWING JUST HALVED HER HEALTH

[flat sapphire]

[glass monolith]

Meet bosses who can't be just killed right away

Well not without more whale approach to issue (Looks on my S3 Skadi and S3 Fartooth)

[silver garden]

fck

anw

idk how

but ptilo died?

and the flower things wiped the squad

[glass monolith]

If you got unlucky burn explosion and she was burning she might die

Also Talu has ranged attack she LOVES using when not blocked

Because we live in world where DMC exists so half of anime swords allow ranged attacks

[silver garden]

i was so close

fck

[vernal lion]

future boss belike:

[flat sapphire]

U got dis 💪

[glass monolith]

And then you get Chapter 10 cannoned

[silver garden]

i need help dealing with the flowers

[vernal lion]

no, you can only kill the flower or get killed by the flower

[silver garden]

how do you kill the flower

[vernal lion]

let me check the position of each time Talulah cast the flower

[glass monolith]

Well he will have about 2 minutes to look at them anyway

[vernal lion]

ok, you see the T tile? if the tile has T with red color, that means she will cast the flower on that tile

and you should prepare to deal with it

[versed arrow]

so we call that flower nowadays? isnt that a crystal? I was so confused reading

[vernal lion]

yea

[glass monolith]

My JT8-3 auto and H8-4 had Talulah die before she spawn them.....
And i don't want to elaborate on my original JT8-3 run

[silver garden]

so i put mr schwing schwing there

[glass monolith]

You can kill them with some damage, and there should be enough time to redeploy whoever kills them, not too hard to kill either

[vernal lion]

your mr schwing schwing will not kill it twice

the boss will keep casting it

[silver garden]

so i just need to kill talulah faster?

[vernal lion]

pretty much

[glass monolith]

I fucking remembered loop on original run to deploy Tequila for kills

[versed arrow]

thats a choice or you can just bring ops to kill the crystals that are going to hit your ops

[silver garden]

are they like tanky

[versed arrow]

not really

even ops like e1 melantha and e1 red can kill them

[vernal lion]

they kinda tanky a bit to physical dmg, so just use arts dmg to kill them

[glass monolith]

You can select them to see stats

[silver garden]

ill try using e1 red to kill them

[glass monolith]

All i know they have taunt to make life easier for snipers etc

[flat sapphire]

Is ur gavalt m3?

s2m3

u should be able to kill talulah before flowers proc if she is

[silver garden]

no shes no mastery

m0

[flat sapphire]

[vernal lion]

1st and 2nd time

also if you want to kill her better, use arts dmg

caster and arts guard existed for a reason

[flat sapphire]

U only really need to worry about the one beside ng and beside ptilo tho

Red can kill them

[silver garden]

so i can use amiya guard to kill them

[vernal lion]

also, do you even know that the op who get affected by the burning will deal half of the dmg to Talulah?

boss stat if you need

[versed arrow]

btw dont crop out your ops in pic next time, its hard to suggest things if we cant figure out if you need the low end solution or high end solution

[silver garden]

I KILLED TALULAH

BUT JUST BEFORE THAT

SHE SQUADWIPED MY TEAM

WTF

[silver garden]

oh wait wdym

[versed arrow]

I scroll up a bit to your previous posts and like this one for example #strategy message you cropped out your op list below

[vernal lion]

that's why you need NG s3

[silver garden]

OHHHH

[silver garden]

I PROCED IT TOO LATE

SHIBAL

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

ptilo died too

smh

[glass monolith]

You will love chapter 10 mechanic

[silver garden]

the flowers

they keep squadwiping

[vernal lion]

imagine in JT8-3 there are also civilians too

[silver garden]

no god no

[vernal lion]

I hint it

you should try H stage

[silver garden]

whats thst

[silver garden]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

THE SECOND METEORS

SQUADWIPED

[glass monolith]

Somewhat of EB experience when killing boss too fast is bad

I mean you did have S3 NG ready this time around. Right?

[silver garden]

nope

it was charging

[silver garden]

oh ya i think that happened

[gusty pilot]

What are some good IS4 starting teams

[glass monolith]

If you didn't die right away - good enough

[vernal lion]

ok I still have the video, but need to speed it up due to the bitch named "100mb video size limit"

and yes, there are civilians

[silver garden]

i like how the civilians are there just to make life harder

[scarlet mortar]

the last wave comes out in p2 just to spite you

[glass monolith]

It is even better, waves come on phase death so you have to block fire waves

Fuck my life and whoever made this shit boss

[turbid badge]

humus

e1..

[quick pecan]

where greyy alter

[wide sail]

this stage is actually hate crime design

[glass monolith]

See fucking sniper voucher in my fucking floor 3 average run when i start with medic?

If i start with sniper i have no medic by boss

[turbid badge]

smh

[royal delta]

IMO this is the easiest midboss - typhon can just outrange and murder before he can do much of anything

and then you just have to protect 2 lanes from a couple rockets

[cosmic thicket]

so what do you do if no typhon

[scarlet mortar]

medic check imo

you can bait the chain into a dead end and keep your medic safe

it's still an annoyingly designed boss but i think i can take it on an average run

[limpid siren]

The bounce radius on its attacks isn’t that long

[gray stone]

huh

CR boss is kinda mild

[spark sinew]

yeah just bait why do you have e2 aak

using very strong voucher for marksman wannabe

[gray stone]

E2 mod3 Aak is unironically cool in IS4

because he have that random stun effect

[spark sinew]

definitely looks worse than other specs to me

let alone in this team

[turbid badge]

yes

[turbid badge]

yea

[gray stone]

CR-8 is the freest stage ever if you have Zuo Le

bozo is stunable

[severe venture]

welp

[crimson geode]

Why tf is this is so hard

Or is this skill diff

[limpid siren]

[limpid siren]

the pro-y liskarm

[gray stone]

How does that compares to Croissant/Bison

[limpid siren]

poorly still

[spark sinew]

can hit camo drones/10

[limpid siren]

but liskarm will continue to do liskarm things

@tidal sedge here's what i was waiting to test

i did the same clear with purgatory instead of santalla on IC debut and the run was a lot tighter

[gray stone]

Camo reveal

[limpid siren]

losing duration vs purgatory feels okay because she can cycle her skill much faster

and she feels less restricted in terms of when she can even be relevant in the first place

[gray stone]

Wait this was an IC stage

[limpid siren]

S-1

[gray stone]

I forgot that one exist

[limpid siren]

most people just used cars and denied themselves from actually playing one of the most fun stages HG has ever cooked up

block count pressure, ranged damage pressure, and melee damage pressure

bless

[limpid siren]

leonhardt still the best though

[quick pecan]

leonhardt my beloved

[tidal sedge]

Interesting.

[quick pecan]

rabbit boy legs 🥵

[foggy grove]

Sheesh you are down bad

So how is fuze and doc

After the number is out

[quick pecan]

what if leonhardt’s legs touched ayerscarpe’s stomach 🫣

[tidal sedge]

Fuze s1 has like 1170~ atk at 0.64~ interval

[quick pecan]

doc does the funny barrier number bc overheal

fuze unironically got a decent sp cost on a 100 ammo skill lmfaooo

[limpid siren]

should be quite durable too

[gray stone]

yo

how much

[quick pecan]

yeah the 20% phys reduction + 35% resist for ranged

fuze has 45sp on s1

he has 25 initial so

[limpid siren]

resist vs ranged is still troll

[gray stone]

[quick pecan]

much better than i thought

[limpid siren]

100 ammo is enough to offset what could otherwise be an awkward cycle

blessed with 45 sp cost

[quick pecan]

he also hits air

[limpid siren]

[quick pecan]

idk if it’s his base kit or during s1 only

i know s2 doesn’t hit air

[limpid siren]

s2 does i think

[quick pecan]

terra wiki says it doesn’t 🤨

[crisp bolt]

Fuze is a centurion I can actually raise

[limpid siren]

i might be wrong

[crisp bolt]

because I don't have the 6*'s

[limpid siren]

but i'd rather believe the wiki is wrong

[crisp bolt]

and I don't have Specter

[quick pecan]

fuze s1 adds some consistency that the 5* centurions didn’t have ig

well there’s savage

but who is that

[foggy grove]

prts said fuze can normal attack air lol

[crisp bolt]

I might actually build savage

but I also missed 2 pots of her

but yeah one of my biggest lack in IS4 right now is a consistent melee laneholder built

that has aoe

[limpid siren]

[crisp bolt]

I've been struggling to get my pluma to work but I might be lacking masteries

and mod I just realized

[limpid siren]

i might just be used to her quirks

[foggy grove]

doc can't hit air,what's this discrimination smh

[limpid siren]

she can explode if you're not careful with her

and yea mine is probably stronger

[crisp bolt]

yeah, I'm just not used to the stages right now

some of the enemies hit hard

[limpid siren]

map knowledge is a big thing for sure

start of every new IS season always takes a few punches to the head before it gets easier

[quick pecan]

no atk in trust or pots either 💀

like bro what

but hey 3k hp 💪

he is so ready to defend those vernal winds ranged tiles

[crisp bolt]

I wish Fuze had a better talent

[limpid siren]

the ranged restriction on it is a bit troll

[crisp bolt]

yeah, all you can do is cope resist on Faust I guess?

[limpid siren]

the list is a bit longer than that

but what the game counts as a ranged attack vs melee attack makes "ranged only" dodge much less favourable

[crisp bolt]

oh yeah there's also the civ killer guys from ch6 right?

those guys also hit pretty hard

[foggy grove]

so at max doc is like 4.9k hp barrier decaying

[limpid siren]

decay time is like 5s right?

[crisp bolt]

yeah believe so

[quick pecan]

maleknights aak buffing

we are so back

[foggy grove]

1% every sec

[limpid siren]

oh neat

[crisp bolt]

that's better than what #help had been saying

[foggy grove]

of current

oh nvm

it's per 0.1 sec lol

[crisp bolt]

so 10% per second

[foggy grove]

that's why it's using current

[crisp bolt]

rip mitigation

[limpid siren]

[quick pecan]

oh if you warfarin buff him he gives himself 5k barrier with s1 before attacking

[foggy grove]

idk doc till looks pretty niche

[limpid siren]

yea

[crisp bolt]

I'm not too familiar with the priority system. Is there anything with higher prio than that?

[quick pecan]

he is niche

[foggy grove]

i guess i'll check that dollkeeper

[crisp bolt]

it's another source of invis reveal

[quick pecan]

and invisibility

[limpid siren]

iana looks overengineered

[quick pecan]

she has 10s in doll form where invis runs out though 😭

whoever made dollkeeper duration an exact 20s and didn’t create room for variation in individual kits…my behated

[crisp bolt]

it's a bit weird because using s2 means you lose out on her talent

[limpid siren]

is iana doll duration not reduced?

[quick pecan]

no

[crisp bolt]

nope

[quick pecan]

if her s2 is charged when she gets hit while having a hologram she will proc talent then use skill

[crisp bolt]

okay that's good to know, the visuals and skill description doesn't really show that

[quick pecan]

yeah she is very uh

complicated

[limpid siren]

gonna need to use iana myself before drawing any conclusions

[quick pecan]

not necessary in the skills themselves, but in the way things interact with each other

[crisp bolt]

s1 looks pretty cool as well

[foggy grove]

hmm all their base skill is useless,pity

[crisp bolt]

they are pretty bad

almost every single one of them is sacrifice your CC for R6 comp

[spark sinew]

don't you worry

just wait for another 2 collab batches

and bigger CC

[crisp bolt]

I really hope they do because then I can run all the cursed CC comps

[spark sinew]

lvl4 factories will break a lot of shit

[limpid siren]

base out of beta soon, surely

[quick pecan]

rainbow six (collabs) real?

time for 16 more ops

[foggy grove]

the other half like tachanka and fuze want ursus lol

weirdoes

[crisp bolt]

and then doc who's just shit dorm skill

[spark sinew]

well you can run ash tachanka + 3 ursus

but ye cursed shit

[foggy grove]

doc is a worse durin

can't even cope that

[tidal sedge]

how on earth am I supposed to beat the knight and not destroying the rubble, he's so annoying

[spark sinew]

you only need to save one

easiest way it to just block him

[bold lance]

Mr. Nothing/Erato stall is pretty easy to pull off.

[spark sinew]

Nothing stall is cool but i think it's overkill on d0

unless you want to do the mission outside of d0 for...some reason

[tidal sedge]

whcih module do yall think is better for hoshi?

block 4? or uber defense+?

[full finch]

def module

it's the only thing that makes her relevent compared to other defenders

[tidal sedge]

thanks General Content Advisor lol

[tidal sedge]

why's that?

[full finch]

hoshi's niche is passively high def

and she has tough competition from both nian and cuora

[tidal sedge]

if I want to do knight run, do I prioritize Yato instead of Texalter?

if ur talking is-4, always yato over texalter

[spark sinew]

neither would do very much there

[tidal sedge]

I'm in IS3, I'm still trying to get the endings

[bold lance]

Texas can do at least something for the stall. Yato isn't even scratching him.

But both are bad choice

[latent monolith]

Yato also doesn't help as much on the stages leading up to the boss

[spark sinew]

hmmm

she kinda oneshots everything on d0 anyway doesn't she

[latent monolith]

I mean it's IS3

[spark sinew]

kills choke heavy maps

[latent monolith]

Texas does that and also hits stingrays

[spark sinew]

kills drones on shit like mech menace better

[latent monolith]

And the drones on that one air map

[latent monolith]

At D0 no

[spark sinew]

yato borderline oneshots big drones ok maybe texas clears them anyway...

[latent monolith]

Because texas one shots the small drones and one cycles the larger ones

[spark sinew]

she one cycles big ones?

wtf

[latent monolith]

That's what I remember, although she may have had a relic on that run like stun -> arts damage

Actually I think that was with the reset, since small drones come up nearby all the time

Yato doesn't do nearly as much to them and her range is more restrictive

[spark sinew]

i would actually choose yato for tlk but yeah, not a big fan of either

tlk stage in particular is just a giant 1 tile wide lane

and yato can also snipe broods at the start

(although if she can oneshot them, they would probably not hinder you much)

[latent monolith]

Pretty sure texas can one cycle them at D0 anyways

[spark sinew]

she won't reach them

they're behind a wall

[latent monolith]

Oh wait that one

just use mlynar

[old arch]

Hello everyone. I was wondering if I could reference some questions I had yesterday, show my progress today, and then ask about raising an operator. xd

[full finch]

go ahead

[old arch]

So basically, I've been stuck on DV-EX-8. I'm trying to run it without any support units, but I am open to using them once I realize I am out of options.

[limpid siren]

[old arch]

Lol hi again!

[full finch]

igneus

[limpid siren]

xollistrea

[old arch]

This is where I got to yesterday: #strategy message

This is me today:

So basically, I was able to chip down the boss a lot more, but it also meant more robots coming up. Now, I swapped with Silence, I uhh... yeah.

So now, I am wondering. I have Astgenne and Eunectes. Would those two solve all my problems and make this run salvageable?

[full finch]

astgenne would certainly help for clearing mobs

[limpid siren]

You raised both?

[old arch]

Er, they're both at level 1.

[full finch]

oof

[old arch]

But I mean, Astgenne I was planning to.

Eunectes, I'm open to! LOL.

I mean I have the resources so I can!

Er, okay.

[limpid siren]

Not sure how helpful eunectes would be

[old arch]

Oh.

I read that she was a boss killer.

[limpid siren]

She’s probably good for a chunk of boss damage

[old arch]

Couldn't she smack Awaken to 0 hp?

[full finch]

she might be able to duel the gundams or do boss damage

but meh

the boss doesn't really go to good tiles for short range ground damage

[limpid siren]

I think she could probably help handle phase one, leaving you potentially more resources for phase two

[old arch]

Yeah hmm.

[limpid siren]

Not sure if you can raise both in time

Idk how flush you are for exp/lmd

[old arch]

Ah np! That's doable I think! LMD-wise, I'm fine. Uhh... exp-wise, idk but maybe! Lol.

Okay so. I have another insane question.

Uh, if I were to show my unraised operators (no judgement 😭), could I get feedback on like.

Who would bring me the best bang for my buck?

[full finch]

yes

[limpid siren]

Looks like gitano is doing okay to handle the waves so far

[old arch]

Er, just feedback, but I wouldn't necessarily raise them.

[full finch]

but it'll be opinionated feedback

[limpid siren]

I think if you like eunectes, then she can fill one of the big holes your roster has

[old arch]

Because like er, someone said like, I mean, I'm only running with operators I really like, and I imagine that one day I'll hit a wall. Maybe this is it LOL.

But I'd prefer to limit it to the ones who've stuck with me so far since the beginning, which is why it's Siege (my only 6* from the newbie banner) and a bunch of 5* from the like first week LOL.

[full finch]

not using a 6⭐ burst option is definitely a handicap for casual play

[old arch]

Eunectes has a nice tail so.

I'm sure someone will mention SilverAsh but..

But uh, he's not quite my type? xd

I'm sorry lol.

[full finch]

surtr bagpipe eyja are all favorite picks