strategy

[limpid siren]

the rewards aren't time limited anyway

so who cares

[quick pecan]

i want the mats 🥺👉🏼👈🏼

yeah but i keep telling myself that

and then never do any runs lmaoo

[limpid siren]

nothing wrong with that

ultimately it's more important to play the game in ways you enjoy

even when it's a time limited event, i'd rather not force myself to play if i'm not enjoying it

[void terrace]

Does farming the monthly squad (magallan) let you farm the skill tree?

It gives you access to all the good starting squads

[limpid siren]

the smart people in help might know

i can't answer, sorry

[gray stone]

No

[mortal finch]

it takes me 1 month of playing arknights to realize this. am i fucked in future stages?

[void terrace]

Rip

[sullen rover]

No

[void terrace]

Wait can you spam foldartals

Like if you use two on the same node do they stack?

Or does it clear the previous one

I got the 50 aspd one on the final boss and a 30% redeployment

Don't want to risk removing the 50 aspd thk

Tho

[lone flicker]

Never tried

You should risk it

[void terrace]

Nooooooo

[lone flicker]

XD

[void terrace]

I mean it's the tree boss

And I have yalter

So the 30% redeployment makes a lot of sense

[mortal finch]

thank god

[gray stone]

All the tree does is asking to be Reed sandwiched

[turbid badge]

wtf

[void terrace]

Ye boiiii

[void terrace]

Reed s3 can clear the entire map of frost

[vernal lion]

foldartal spam is real

[meager merlin]

Does anyone have a S2M3 Hoshiguma with def mod3? I wanna see if it's worth investing further into her in case I need her to stall in the future

Mainly wanna see numbers so I can compare

[limpid siren]

you can calc those by consulting a wiki if numbers are all you care about

[shell arch]

Let me recheck

I did the numbers ages ago when cc7 hits and i forgor about them

723 base + 60 trust + 140
Mod3
30% s2m3 + 20% mod3 when blocking + 19% mod3 talent

That should be uh

1560 def

Pot1

1375 def when not blocking

[foggy grove]

why 19% if pot 1

🤨

[shell arch]

Because pot6 is 22%

[meager merlin]

Ty

[shell arch]

Oh wait i think i misread it

Pot1 is 17%

[quick pecan]

ok running this blind baited me

[shell arch]

Correction 2% off, 1541 at maximum when blocking. 1357 when not

[quick pecan]

i see undeployable walkway my brain says greyy alt to win

[meager merlin]

Yeah, probably gonna invest, currently my hoshi has 999def and while she could block CM steamknight I don't believe she's gonna hold up to future content without some help

[quick pecan]

dude that caster guy

[glass monolith]

Me: Trying to have fun
IS4 Caster: Look on this dud

[old arch]

I swear it is like the best feeling ever when I beat a boss map without any guides and just my default squad. 😭

DV-8 took like 3 retries but once I nailed down his (its?) movement and mechanics it waas a breeze.

Lol I mean it's what I try to do all the time anyway, I mean. I've only ever used guides for like... R8-8 and the shieldguard one. And Anni3. xd

I'm worried about the EX version of Awaken though. Those ones are always tougher. 😭

[limpid siren]

keep on trucking

you'll go far with this mindset

[lone flicker]

is my anni 3 strat decent

[turbid badge]

hoshi max 1592

without the def pot

[limpid siren]

ch'en and kroos will die to ballista shots, lungmen downtown typically demands two full-time healers to keep everyone going

you are also playing quite far back, forcing units like ch'en to only be able to rarely contribute
drone pressure later into the run may also prove too much for your setup to handle

i can show you an old school safe template if you'd like to look over that

[turbid badge]

worth, sure ill go for a brick

[lone flicker]

The vanguards are on S2

[limpid siren]

not enough

kroos will die when myrtle's skill turns off as the pressure is quite constant
ch'en will probably last a bit longer owing to her archetype being a bit beefier

but the vanguards' healing has too much downtime

hell, even unchained specter might die before she comes back from doll form

that one probably depends more on her level, and my guess is that she survives

but being 0 block during death doll form is potentially its own issue

[lone flicker]

She doesnt funnily...

[lone flicker]

I have her one S1 and if i dont use her skill she can tank a decent amount of hits

but the timing is really tight for the skill activations

[limpid siren]

if it works it works

[lone flicker]

yep

I streamed it

[limpid siren]

but judging from the screenshot you posted my answer was no

if you got 400 then that's all that matters

[lone flicker]

Fr

[lone flicker]

It was to troll after all

[limpid siren]

you sure showed me

[tidal sedge]

Have folks seen IS4 First Class squad effect?

[limpid siren]

this?

[tidal sedge]

Oh. Wrong channel

Ye. Auto promote chance

[limpid siren]

sounds nice given how scuffed hope economy is rn

[tidal sedge]

HG giving 5* only folks a bone. Though how good that bone will actually be will be interesting to see

[limpid siren]

rn 5* only is dog

level ups are too infrequent at the moment

i'm sure it will get better after filling out the perk tree

[limpid siren]

any p5 mod3 andreana enjoyers in chat

[shell arch]

Pleb but he got banned

Is it okay to assume that iana base atk is around dorothy's base atk?

[limpid siren]

no, you should look at kazemaru and bena for comparison

[shell arch]

I'm kinda hyped for her atkscale talent

[limpid siren]

unless you meant ela

[shell arch]

Oh wait who's the *6 in r6 pt2 again?

[limpid siren]

ela is the 6* trapmaster

[tidal sedge]

what does upgrading my die for? isn't just the same thing?

[shell arch]

Oh yeah

[limpid siren]

but yea it's safe to assume she's in a similar base atk range

[limpid siren]

higher die rolls = stronger effects during a fight
outside of a fight, more numbers on your die offer chances to roll higher, some events can only occur at higher rolls

[tidal sedge]

is that why

ok

[limpid siren]

for example, some shop offerings can only appear at a reroll of 7 or higher, from memory

[deep drum]

@deep grove over here

show me the problem

[deep grove]

Just a sec

[shell arch]

Oh wow we haven't gotten anything about ela 2nd talent?

I hope it makes her good enough for me to pull

[polar crane]

probably resist stun

[deep grove]

My current setup

[shell arch]

Whoa

[deep grove]

Available sniper

[deep drum]

use myrtle skill 1

[shell arch]

[deep drum]

it gives more dp

alrighty then

[shell arch]

Wait what's the problem he asked for solution again?

[deep drum]

what stage again

[deep grove]

S1 give 14 and S2 gives 16

[deep drum]

hes stuck at the stage

[shell arch]

Which stage?

[deep drum]

I cant explain it properly but in long time s1 gives more dp in general

something about skill cycle

[deep grove]

PR B 2

[deep drum]

ling skill 2 has longer skill cycle and longer skill cycle means less dp

[shell arch]

S1 gives more dp per second relative to skill uptime and cycle compared to S2

[deep drum]

s1 has a shorter cycle which means more d

p

[deep grove]

Ah ok

[shell arch]

Oh sniper caster stage

[deep grove]

Yeah

[deep drum]

suppose its the 2nd one?

[deep grove]

Can't handle all 3 lanes at a time

[shell arch]

You need 2 aa snipers to clear that

[deep grove]

Yes

[shell arch]

I'd yeet out aosta with may

[deep grove]

With who?

[deep drum]

another medic would do as well

may anti air sniper

[shell arch]

With may

[deep drum]

the pink one with glasses here

[deep grove]

Jussica then?

[deep drum]

yeah she also works

[deep grove]

Oh ok

[deep drum]

suppose you need another medic?

[shell arch]

Jessica is quite underwhelming

[deep grove]

And again fartooth is bad?

[shell arch]

Don't raise jessica further yet

[deep grove]

No nedic is not issue. Enemies by bypass

[deep drum]

well... she is situational in my opinion

[deep drum]

need some aoe then

[deep grove]

Ok

[shell arch]

She hits like 5k phy dmg per hit against lowest def enemies on her range with s3m3 mod3

But she needs an optimal placement and situation that you rarely find them

[sullen rover]

yes shes bad

[deep drum]

you have 3 defenders

[deep grove]

Yeah. Can handle melee but drones go past

[deep drum]

what you now need is someone who deals aoe damage

put mudrock in the middle middle

[shell arch]

Which enemies, drones? Or the scary looking drone one?

[deep drum]

so she can stun everyone

[deep grove]

Not just scary one. Other normie drones as well

[deep drum]

lack of anti air snipers

[deep grove]

Yeah..

[shell arch]

Well yeah you lack of aa snipers

[deep drum]

anti air snipers are the subclass that targets drones and other flying stuff first

[shell arch]

You need to raise may. She's your best 2nd aa sniper currently

[deep grove]

Yes

Ok

[deep drum]

blacknight and cantible can help for a bit

a bit that is

[deep grove]

Cantabile helps but blacknight has almost no DMG to drones

[shell arch]

You also need to deal with the scary looking drone (predator)

Is borrowing an option? Or you want to auto the stage?

[deep grove]

I think I deal with it and in meantime other drones fly by

[shell arch]

Oh nice

Then i think your solution is to raise may

[deep drum]

you might not like it but you tried using amiya's s2? bit difficult to time it but it hits when it hits

[deep grove]

Want to auto so can farm

[deep grove]

Never tried s2

[shell arch]

E1 lvl55 may sounds good enough

[foggy grove]

plat kroos/may is enough

[deep grove]

Ok

[foggy grove]

rest is blocker and some aoe

[shell arch]

Imo s2 amiyee in e1 is quite bad. I'd stick to s1

[deep grove]

Oh okay

And when to time S2?

[deep drum]

boi thats the problem

timing it self

[shell arch]

You don't

[deep drum]

you cant control it

[shell arch]

[deep grove]

Ah..

[deep drum]

basically wait a certain time on when to deploy her

[shell arch]

You control it by deploying amiyee earlier or later

[deep grove]

Ooh it's auto

[shell arch]

Yeah

[deep grove]

Didn't see that

[shell arch]

Hence why it's quite scuffed unless she's already e2

She gains sp when attacking enemies on e2

[deep grove]

That's why I'm aiming for snipe caster first

[shell arch]

Not that I'm telling you to e2 asap, no

[deep grove]

No no that was my motive start. E2 Amiya first

[foggy grove]

uh why

[deep drum]

wind

[deep grove]

May in this direction right?

[foggy grove]

no better candidate except amiya to e2?

[deep grove]

Don't have much casters

[deep drum]

id recommend lava and click

for extra low rarity casters

[deep grove]

Just got Santalla...

[deep drum]

she ass

[deep grove]

Indigo or skyfire?

[deep drum]

her s2 is random

[deep drum]

indigo works

[deep grove]

Ok

[deep drum]

not sure about skyfire tho not familiar with her

[deep grove]

Ok

Also I don't or rather can't place snipe on anti air runes or they die early

[deep drum]

yeah thats what the medics are for

[deep grove]

So on each sides plat and may?

[deep drum]

cant help you much with positioning tbh

[deep grove]

Okay

[deep drum]

for me its best to keep them closer if your not confident with your medics

[deep grove]

So at bottom

[deep drum]

yup

face left and right not front

[deep grove]

I usually place firewatch at bottom first so atleast one side is clear of the initial drones

[deep drum]

respectively left and right so you wont have a hole with no snipers at the middle
(talking about aa snipers)

[deep grove]

Yeah

[deep drum]

2 aa snipers should do the trick, add additional ranged damage so you can kill drones quicker

[deep grove]

An idea but how about if I place firewatch on anti air runes with a medic and aa snipers at bottom?

[foggy grove]

you want your aa sniper on anti air runes
so they can kill the drone especially the def up drone

[deep grove]

Okay

[deep drum]

ye I sure am bad at positionin

[deep grove]

I'll try after E1 may

[void terrace]

Is it just me or is hope gain damn slow in IS4

I'm struggling to get even 2 promoted 6 stars by the third floor

[deep drum]

lets try this strat
get ton of dp with your vanguards
use firewatch to kill drones (left or right you choose), place her at bottom
after the drone is dead add aa sniper on the rune
add medic on the next side and put aa sniper to kill drones (or use another sniper/amiya to kill drones and lessen them so the sniper take few hits)
lastly replace vangaurds with defenders

[void terrace]

The bullion caster tickets flooding me isn't helping either

Billion

[deep grove]

I'll try

[deep drum]

make sure to raise may

[foggy grove]

you can skip the fw step and just deploy aa sniper on the rune

[void terrace]

What good starts are there btw. Been been suffering on typhon and kaltist starts somehow

[foggy grove]

place medic to heal them

[deep drum]

so basically he gonna wait for like enough dp to buy a medic and a sniper instead

[deep grove]

Yeah

Also may S1 or S2?

[polar crane]

s2

[deep drum]

make sure you use s2 on the mini boss and when theres a lot of drones

[deep grove]

Only then?

[deep drum]

save it up and use it when it happend

[deep grove]

Okay

[deep drum]

suppose 30 seconds cooldown aint that bad

[deep grove]

I'll try

Quick question? Any melee vanguard better than seige at generation of dp quick?

PS not 6 star pls

[polar crane]

myrtle

[deep grove]

And?

[high crest]

For pure dp generation if you want use flagbearers like myrtle

[deep grove]

She can only block 1 and 0 when skill use

Need someone who can block as well

[glass monolith]

Best DP generation are S1 of flagbearers but they are poor fighters
Rivaled by 5* Cantabile / 6* Ines on hit gain DP which need enemy to hit
2 block Pioneer vanguard S1 give some DP without any additional effect every now and then. S2 come with effects but less DP generation. Siege S2 is unique because it is auto skill which need enemy in range, everyone else is manual activation

[high crest]

Well that's the thing but she compensates it with very good dp generation

[glass monolith]

I used S1 Siege in CC7 for DP

[deep grove]

Okay so siege is all I can do

[glass monolith]

You should have Fang, and Courier will be obtained from Chinese Social Credit store eventually

[ivory nimbus]

S-2's requirement truly baffled me. How am I supposed to destroyed all of those armors in DV-7?

[glass monolith]

I had defender block activated ranged robot while i run around and kill all robots after all enemies died

[deep grove]

Okay

[ivory nimbus]

Couldn't even tank one of them with my Medics supporting them.

[old arch]

In DV-7?

[ivory nimbus]

Yep.

[old arch]

I just killed them before they woke up.

[ivory nimbus]

The armor is too spread out for my DPS to kill all of them in their exposed position before one of the engineers took them out.

[peak cloak]

can you borrow Eyja caster with s3?

drop her nearby those robots

[old arch]

I used Amiya S2 + Gitano S2 to kill them.

[ivory nimbus]

No, I need to farm the stage for Kohl.

[old arch]

Like would you like me to ss my run? At least how I set it up.

[ivory nimbus]

Sure.

[old arch]

That's the foundation of my run.

Then I deploy Astesia to take out the remaining robot next to Amiya, recall her when she's done. Deploy Myrrh to heal up Siege, and I replace Courier with Gummy later.

[sullen rover]

nice strategy

[old arch]

I also use lower rarity operators so if you have stronger ones.

You should be fine/have an easier time.

Oh you probably know this, but the ranged robot is easy.

It shoots 4 people but the damage is low. If you have healers you're fine.

It's the melee ones who are the issue, and why I take them out before they wake up.

[ivory nimbus]

Hmm, let's see. Replace Siege with Thorns for dual lanehold, Courier up next, then Ceobe to mow those three down, Ptilo for heal, deploy Typhon behind where Gitano is supposed to be, and finally retreat Courier for Spot and Eyja S2 to clean up the rest.

Should be good.

[vernal lion]

damn skin

[sullen rover]

funny cat..

[sullen rover]

is the range on the mine a circle or a square

[vernal lion]

it's like W mine

[glass monolith]

Potato coding range?

[vernal lion]

no, it's just like W mine

it has detection range

[scarlet mortar]

most detection ranges that aren't op/summon ranges are circular

i say most bc there's still stuff like shu's tp distance

but yh those are extremely rare

[green gazelle]

Guys can you help me with this level

This is my team

[scarlet mortar]

mlynar deletes robots

typhon deletes robots

uhh wait what's the issue

[vernal lion]

rocket bot

[scarlet mortar]

they do piss all damage

[foggy grove]

just don't let them wake up fr

[scarlet mortar]

worst case just block them

[vernal lion]

fr

you have like 25 dp before a rocket bot awake

[scarlet mortar]

firewhistle is actually a funny pseudo-arts guard for those big goo

[scarlet mortar]

37 DP to plug that lane in all

yes i tried mud

[vernal lion]

I do Ling solo, that's all

[scarlet mortar]

does ling deploy enough dragons to uhhh deal with everything

[vernal lion]

yes

[foggy grove]

yes?

[scarlet mortar]

nice

[peak cloak]

yes, it has been showed during main event last year

[scarlet mortar]

i forgor

[peak cloak]

maybe u hadnt yet played that time.

[green gazelle]

Isn't there a mission where you need to kill all of them?

[scarlet mortar]

brother i got up to EX-5

[green gazelle]

The robot i mean

[peak cloak]

oh, glad to hear then

[scarlet mortar]

it was during my down period lmao and idrc abt ling solos

[peak cloak]

u should check the missions list, do u know where is it?

[foggy grove]

she can't solo dv 8,garbage summoner smh
magallan better

[scarlet mortar]

average DV-7 moment

[sullen rover]

man why im getting literally 0 hope in is4

[scarlet mortar]

funny how eben can proc S3 while pointing at a sleeping mech and not attack until it wakes up

bc the sleeping bot isn't considered an elite

[vernal lion]

replace someone with 1 pioneer vg tho,
for the beginning, you can only let the mech consume 1 triangle mob, so after that deploying pioneer and some sniper/caster on top facing down

[green gazelle]

Grani?

[vernal lion]

pioneer = 2 block vanguard

fang, texas, zima, siege, flametail, saga...

[glass monolith]

Remind me, 4th flag bearer on CN is gacha or welfare?

[vernal lion]

welfare

[foggy grove]

welfare deez

[green gazelle]

If I wanted to do this is it possible with my ops

[peak cloak]

doable

[scarlet mortar]

sure, just wake up a ranged mech

then block it on your defender

now you have all the time in the world to kill mechs

[vernal lion]

use someone with high hp but less atk to stall the last enemy, then kill the other mechs

[scarlet mortar]

nah literally just wake up the bottom mech

[vernal lion]

yea, wake up it, then stall it, while killing others

that's fine too

[scarlet mortar]

no head thoughts empty

[green gazelle]

What support is the best to use?

[vernal lion]

I remember if you do that, the game will be cleared ?

because it thought there's no enemy left

let me check my old posts

[scarlet mortar]

yh

i do remember that actually

but it's the easiest mech to stall imo

the other mfs have too dangerous lanes

just uhhh wake it up earlier ig

[vernal lion]

texas alter

[scarlet mortar]

you can helidrop cardigan or sth on it at the start of the stage

then do the rest of the stage

it'll still be alive if you aren't pointing anything at it

[green gazelle]

Tbh i don't have many low rarity ops leveled up

[vernal lion]

there are most enemies coming from bottom

[scarlet mortar]

it's in a pocket, a marksman can reach bot lane while not shooting the mech

[vernal lion]

the left side is caster and big ball, the right side is only big ball

[scarlet mortar]

just looking at my doro duo attempts

ansel cardigan popukar mousse cexas might be enough lmao

[green gazelle]

What if I don't have those guys leveled up

[scarlet mortar]

then... get the higher rarity variants

[vernal lion]

just post your roster

#strategy message

this one right?

[scarlet mortar]

it's just a sketch of how much damage/tanking/healing you need

[green gazelle]

Yeah

[vernal lion]

ok I think Grani is fine, as long as you deploy Myrtle first and then Grani on bottom right to stall, get some dp and deploy some cheap blocker there

[lone flicker]

Wait which stage?

I didnt see

TwT

[lone flicker]

I dont know tbh

[scarlet mortar]

cuora silence lapp should be enough for bot, gg S1 might be enough to burst left side, penance is decent against the goo

cexas takes care of anything missing between them

[green gazelle]

Can I get this done even without activating the armors?

[peak cloak]

if i remember correctly i used eyja s3 in dv last year to walk through dv 7.

drop her near robots and then active her s3, then wait until they died, retreat.

[glass monolith]

It is not POO and ranged robot should be manageably tankable

[peak cloak]

poo robots were 6k def and 120 res and plus 4m hp?

[glass monolith]

440% ATK Dorothy with assault shotgun

[glass monolith]

I remember trying 3* only on original run. Only to give up.
ONLY TO FIND OUT 3* CAPABLE OF SPAWNKILLING

My solution was so fucking close but it never pinged in my brain to go for spawn kill for robots

[deep grove]

@deep drum Did it!!

After so many tries and patterns!

[deep drum]

congrats

the path ahead is still painful

[deep grove]

Also tried vanguard one. Did it first try

[deep drum]

so good luck

[deep grove]

Thanks!

Next is battle record 5

[deep drum]

say

have anyone mentioned this dude

named kyostinv

he should be able to help at youtube

[deep grove]

Yeah heard of him

I'll check his vids

[scarlet mortar]

nvm ansel is dog water

if i brought plume i can probs pass the opener with less work and have enough DP to set up

but hey it worked

[sullen rover]

pro

[scarlet mortar]

i thought i couldn't be even more depressed abt ansel's healing but ig i was wrong

he's still barely usable since my winning run had cexas delete the first threat for popukar

but now i'm not doing it

[scarlet mortar]

^

[scarlet mortar]

@green gazelle

cliff's used to borrow the E2 cexas

strat's basically to have your bot lane weak enough that eventually some goo will leak to the mech

which ensures it wakes up before the end of the stage

lapp silence cuora would do it

nvm i'm stupid this could've been even easier

[sullen rover]

nice job team

[scarlet mortar]

free win is free

mousse carry fr

[vernal lion]

just like my 3 star clear

[scarlet mortar]

yh the goo was easier to stall

i'm an idiot sandwich

both S2 and S3 cexas should work considering the strat leaves mechs on 1hp before letting the goo go into them

[vernal lion]

if it is, can just use s3 and deploy between 2 mechs, so she can hit both with s3

[scarlet mortar]

yh i did that

[vernal lion]

yea

[scarlet mortar]

thing is she doesn't have enough total damage with S3 anw

not even 50%

with S2 she could just let them wake up and instakill

[vernal lion]

you can wait till the caster is inside of her attack range

so it will proc talent

[scarlet mortar]

she kills them too quickly

[vernal lion]

there are 3 balls right?

[scarlet mortar]

uhhh yh

[vernal lion]

also 3-4 casters

[scarlet mortar]

the last ball i killed along with the left mech

only 2 casters

[scarlet mortar]

too much effort trying to time this when ngl cexas would still make it work even if i didn't bother

half the reason i let the goo wake them up is bc they're easier to kill

the sleeping ones have stupid amounts of hp

[void terrace]

Damn Typhon S3 really seems to be underperforming. By that I mean it's surprisingly super balanced

She gets curbstomped pretty hard by defence even with her 60% def ignore

Her multipliers are on the lower end of things

Considering finally raising stainless S1

[lapis hornet]

yeah def ignore isn't magic true dmg

[latent monolith]

Ray for example beats schwarz/typhon in def scaling despite having zero def shred/ignore

[glass monolith]

Best way to ignore defense is copium high attack

[limpid siren]

Best way to ignore high def is to use arts

Forgotten technique

[severe venture]

I hate this fart guy

[glass monolith]

Idk i like him

He doesn't rush blue box in 3 seconds, don't zoom at speed so high Suzu S3 cry in corner

[vernal lion]

this is like the higher version of EB alter

[old arch]

Oh my god DV-EX-4 is insane. 😭

It felt like this (pic from reddit).

[neat thorn]

hello, can someone explain me how does this work pls ??

[old arch]

Just don't kill Dorothy.

[glass monolith]

Dorothy cost 0 HP if she reach blue box

[neat thorn]

hooo ok thx

[latent anvil]

ya just leak

[glass monolith]

Mine now

[old arch]

Why are they in the blue box. 😭

No don't spoil though lol nbm.

nvm.*

But I thought you'd have lost health from that.

Hmm I'm still stuck on DV-EX-4.

Omg I big-brained.

So the answer wasn't to face them head on.

I still leaked that one guy but better timing will solve the problem.

[vocal leaf]

the answer is eyja s3

[gray stone]

Nah, Lin is a banger here

[neon dragon]

I mylnared it

[vocal leaf]

yeah what i like about her is that she can act as fast redeploy, the first time i play this event click and pudding were my main casters

[neon dragon]

While rolling for eyja I got ceobe golden glow and lin

The game is mocking me

[flat sapphire]

Gg is a good alternative to eyja tho

[neon dragon]

IM PULLIN FOR EYJA

[flat sapphire]

I don't even remember her getting a banner lmao

Her last one musta been ages ago

[neon dragon]

The game is mocking me with every other caster possible

[spark sinew]

pulling for eyja

oh it was pre kernel

[neon dragon]

Well I do have eyja alter

[sinful gull]

Good Picture

I Used Eyja S3 and Warfarin S2

One Shot xD

[sinful gull]

I Liked the New Enemies in Is 4 , Hmm But I Did not Clear this Stage I Will Find it

[glass monolith]

"Liked new enemies"
CAN'T RELATE AT ALL Collapse caster can go into trash bin

[turbid badge]

poopi

[tidal sedge]

Not something I expected to happen but I'll take this ig

Their attack animation decelerates them which prevents them from achieving flight I'm guessing?

[turbid badge]

its the air?

oh wait

yeah probably attack anim

[tidal sedge]

Funny way to cheese them if you're lacking grounding measures or means to prevent them from reaching vents

Also I should've pointed Beeswax up. Free atk buff.

[latent anvil]

teta pro

what level ur nightmare

[spark sinew]

it doesn't seem to work consistently
or at least i was able to do the above only once

[tidal sedge]

If there's speed buffs from difficulty modifiers, that might be why.

I'm at BN3 yet.

[spark sinew]

yeah there wasn't

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Interesting.

It's been pretty consistent for me thus far.

[limpid siren]

There’s +mvspd in difficulties yea

I’ve had it not work once, and im not sure why

But it’s not a heartbreak when you wonder be able to rely on the tactic forever anyway

[turbid badge]

e1 lvl 67

[latent anvil]

[severe venture]

The last boss for the first ending is easier than I thought. That Skadi saved me and Typhon deleted the boss

[gray stone]

I'm surprised Shining and Jaye survives there

but again it's Shining and Jaye against low diff enemies

[tropic valve]

nice

[severe venture]

they didn't. I just use them to delay the enemies for a bit until yato is available

[spark sinew]

yeah looks consistent
as long as they only attack the unit on the beeswax

i probably deployed someone else around there as well

[cosmic dagger]

it doesn't work if there's the +move speed collapse effect

took me the longest time to figure out that was what caused it to fail

[keen rain]

Woa cirno back from the dead

[limpid siren]

new IS season after all

[tropic valve]

I just made a video recently

but I need some time before making IS4 vids

[peak cloak]

[tidal sedge]

Attempt at DV-EX-7...
Did not go well...

[mossy ore]

sorawow

[old arch]

Lol I just did that one. It was so hard to try and get the medal.

I'm scared for DV-EX-8 now.

[tidal sedge]

Lol

Yeah im trying to get the medal

Did it

Now cm

[timid schooner]

ez

ppl:busy with grinding is4
me rn:imma continue do is3 xd

lee sweep go build lee

[jovial nest]

what would be the next content after DV rerun for global?

ch13?
pre-event of ch13?

DoS?

Jess Alter?

[old arch]

Wouldn't asking in general be better than here?

[jovial nest]

hahahah, no

[old arch]

Uh... okay I guess?

[tidal sedge]

Iirc its Jessalter

[timid schooner]

cat alter

[spark sinew]

btw might want to delete that

[sly drift]

I cant get pass floor 4 in is4

[tidal sedge]

Maps are a lot easier once you understand the spawns

IS4 is rough when playing blind

[spark sinew]

very rough if you play it like is3 (aka very heavy on rangeds)

[analog abyss]

so how do you deal with the power armors in the new event? none of my ops make a dent on them other than typhon, even eyja takes approximately 25 centuries to kill one of them and only if they stand still nicely and wait to get killed because they just two-three shot all of my tanks while they're being actively healed, what am I missing here

[old arch]

Kill them before they wake up.

[cyan gorge]

use arts

[karmic glade]

Use ceobe

[analog abyss]

there's a stage where they come at you already active and the only way I could beat it was borrowing mlynar lol

don't have ceobe or good arts damage dealers other than eyja and she doesn't do much

[cyan gorge]

Eyja destroys this whole event

[old arch]

I've managed so far with Amiya and Gitano, so I'm sure you'll be fine.

[analog abyss]

really? do you need her S3? I don't have enough to E2 her yet, she's E1lv70

[cyan gorge]

I did original event with just Rockrock and Astgenne as casters

[old arch]

On that note, I need help everyone. 😭 DV-EX-8 is kicking my ass. I'm hmm... a bit stuck.

[old arch]

Well I use S2 exclusively, but it's M3. Sorry I thought we were talking about Amiya.

[cyan gorge]

S3 is ideal for bot clearing

[foggy grove]

well obv eyja s2 won't do much

surprisepikachuface

[old arch]

Okay so here's my question. Hmm. The Awaken can't move right. So does it eventually just teleport into the blue box.

[analog abyss]

she had been doing fine vs high def enemies thus far, granted I haven't done any late game stuff since my account is like 2 months old

[old arch]

I wipe just as the Awaken teleports up and then P2's, so I haven't managed to see what it does afterward (DV-EX-8).

[cyan gorge]

Show squad + set up you're failing with

[old arch]

Oh. Sec I'll have to restart the run. I gave up because it was too much. 😭

LOL. Sorry gimme a few minutes.

Wait. So are you asking about when I get like, my ass kicked?

[cyan gorge]

That would help too

can't help with a solution without seeing the issue

[old arch]

Okay.

Sec lemme uh, set it up.

Yeah sorry it's taking me a while. I can't consistently get to that part yet either lol. 😭

[cyan gorge]

just show squad then

[worldly stirrup]

What the boss gimmick?
I also stuck at DV EX 8 CM.
I kinda brute force it when i clear DV-8 using surtr. But it doesnt work with ex stage

[scarlet mortar]

have you tried reading

[cyan gorge]

Reading in game description helps

[scarlet mortar]

like man they made qol updates for this

[worldly stirrup]

I dont understand "split dmg" part.
So more op = less dmg taken?

[cyan gorge]

yes

[scarlet mortar]

yes

[cyan gorge]

more ops deployed, the less each one takes

1 extra op deployed could be the difference between your medic living and dying

[smoky halo]

also its impactful bc of how the dmg formula works

[worldly stirrup]

How many op i need to deploy to tank boss dmg?
Because my healer still got 1 shot when i already deploy like 4-5 op on map

[smoky halo]

uh i drop 5 + gravel and my units survive

[cyan gorge]

then deploy more ops or level your medic more

[scarlet mortar]

6.5k-ish total damage iirc, so 6+ ops?

[scarlet mortar]

medics have 1k hp

[smoky halo]

you can consider bringing yato2star + gravel to help tank the aoe attacks

since thats 2 bodies

[old arch]

Okay so my thing isn't annotated, gimme a quick sec to add info.

[cyan gorge]

Where's your dps for boss

[old arch]

Wdym?

[cyan gorge]

what was your plan to kill boss?

[worldly stirrup]

Mybe i will borrow phantom to help tank dmg

[scarlet mortar]

in amiyer we trust

[smoky halo]

what

[old arch]

So basically, I managed to kill the boss as it teleported below Myrrh.

But it P2'd there too.

My DPS is Astesia, Amiya, and Gitano.

So I do redeploy Amiya to be uhh

[cyan gorge]

the boss takes less damage the more blobs that are on the field

[old arch]

Left of Ptilopsis.

So Amiya can help dps the boss as it's in front of Cuora.

But I wiped as it teleported and P2'd below Myrrh so I don't know what it does next.

Oh hmm.

So.. hmm.

Like a FRD to kill the blobs?

[cyan gorge]

they hurt more than you think but you can try

[old arch]

Okay wait so.

How does Awaken end me.

Can it teleport into the blue box.

Or is its job to just kill my ops.

[cyan gorge]

it has even more atk on phase 2

therefore, bigger explosion

[old arch]

Er, right. Nono but I mean like. Does it ever teleport into the blue box. Or can I buy time indefinitely.

[cyan gorge]

it eventually goes to blue box

[old arch]

Hmm.

What are your thoughts/suggestions?

Should I make Amiya S3?

No.

[cyan gorge]

Too many mobs for her to target boss

[old arch]

Nvm it wouldn't help with P2.

Maybe.

I'll take out the blobs first with Estelle. See if that helps.

[cyan gorge]

I want to say get an actual aoe burst dps, but I can tell you're doing some kind of niche/favorites only accont so I have no idea what your options are

[old arch]

Oh I got further than before!

[old arch]

Yeah I'm really sorry for the inconvenience.

LOL you're the first one who could tell!

It's a favorites-only account. 😭

So I'm here.

Basically, Astesia has been charging up for a while now.

I expect her to get at least two S2's into the boss.

Amiya is also ready for redeploy for P2. The issue is that... hmm. I'm not quite sure what comes next.

[cyan gorge]

I relate as a niche player myself
but I still have meta options in case for maps like these

[old arch]

So I know that when the boss P2's.

There's another flood of enemies.

So I'm probably going to redeploy... Amiya somewhere where she can get good uptime on the boss.

Idk if Gitano stays there.

Or if she should be recalled.

Same with Astesia, once the boss teleports.

Hmm. But I'm not watching guides so..

I guess I want suggestions?

Actually okay wait.

Lemme run this and if I wipe, I'll show my box.

Gg. 😭

Are you cool with me uploading like 3 ss.

Of my progress before the wipe. xd

It's the furthest I've gotten so might be worth.

Actually I'll just upload the pictures. So the 2 pictures. First one is where the boss is P2'ing. A big improvement from before.

Second picture is like a minute before I wipe.

Okay so a few things.

I Ptilopsis S2'd, but it wasn't enough to outlast the boss's onslaught.

[cyan gorge]

Ah just robots then

oh wait

[old arch]

Gitano died from... I believe the four-way Journey where it died.

Yeah.

[cyan gorge]

didn't see boss there

[old arch]

So I did deploy Estelle where the blobs are to the left. <<

She killed like the first 3.

But then rocket robot killed her.

Because deployment order.

Myrrh also died because she's caught in the 4-way Journey.

[cyan gorge]

rocket bots target 4 at once

[old arch]

Yep.

So Estelle got taken out and once Ptilopsis S2 ran out, it was only a matter of time.

[cyan gorge]

is Ptilo s2m3?

[old arch]

Yeah.

Basically everyone who's E2, level 70 has their main skill M3'd.

BP is M6 so maybe I could use her S2...?

Waai Fu is also M6.

But she's less helpful here and I used her a lot more in DV-EX-7.

[cyan gorge]

if you want to try some cheese, Deepcolor s2 for dodge

[old arch]

Ohhh hmm.

It works for um.

Oh.

That's very RNG LOL.

I see. Hmm.

[cyan gorge]

50% dodge at m3

not the best but it's something

[old arch]

Yeah.

That still leaves me with the issue of DPS.

Oh hmm.

I wonder if..

Platinum.

Can she kill the blobs if I deployed her left of Ptilopsis?

But hmm.

[cyan gorge]

her skill would take too long to come online

[old arch]

I see.

Okay.

So you see the second picture.

Where it's like 3 robots and the boss?

Okay so.

The boss's hp at that point.

If the blobs weren't there, could Astesia, realistically, solo/take it out?

I can't tell if that's a lot or not a lot of hp.

[cyan gorge]

if no blobs, might be close

boss has high res

[old arch]

Damn.

...

So I would deploy Platinum to the left of Ptilopsis.

But facing right?

And I would do this...

No. I need Amiya.

Oh no hmm.

[cyan gorge]

I would put Plat in Ptilopsis spot, but placement gets strange

[old arch]

Even after the boss teleports, Plat can still reach it.

Wdym?

[cyan gorge]

nvm Ptilo face up from the bottom tile works

[old arch]

Ptilopsis is Mod1 so she was able to heal Gitano. Irrelevant.

OH.

Okay.

One more thing. Drop Meteor or drop BP for Plat?

I'm thinking Meteor (sorry 😭), but worth checking haha.

Also, BP S1 or S2 in your opinion?

She's M6.

[cyan gorge]

I use s1 personally, but both skills are viable here

[old arch]

Alright let's do this.

Thank you for your input! I'll just keep at this until it goes eventually haha.

[light hound]

I'm trying speed running IS3 and this stage often beats my squad, any tips?

[cyan gorge]

Get Pozy then try not to die

[light hound]

Now that u mentioned it Pozy should make it easier, never thought about that

I just never use her archetype in general haha

[cyan gorge]

there's a spot on top where you can safely put a sniper

to either kill the middle or top right bonethrower

well any sniper stronger than Kroos

[light hound]

Yeah thx for the tips, hopefully I got some sniper ticket before this stage appear again

[sly drift]

Wait what. Can you turn boss fight into encounter?

[scarlet mortar]

uhhh you shouldn't be able to?

what's the top board

ah that

nope

[tall cairn]

You can’t. Boss nodes are unchangeable.

It’ll just waste the rune.

[old arch]

Hmm I don't know what happened.

Now Amiya dies the moment the boss teleports/slams/first Journey cast.

I have the same set-up (and I'd assume same amount of mitigation from damage splitting up).

Is there some variable factor I'm not seeing?

[cyan gorge]

either took an extra hit from a passing blob before the explosion or you deployed an op at the wrong time

[sly drift]

Done first ed

Kaltsit opening is now my favorite

[old arch]

Hmm.

Okay I'd like to ask you guys.

Is this boss harder than Andoain? Or I guess, is this event* overall harder.

I.

[limpid siren]

this event is harder, yes
andoain is more frustrating than he is actually dangerous

[old arch]

I see.

Yeah..

Awaken is actually threateningly scary.

I'm still stuck...

I don't know how I'm going to do CM.

[limpid siren]

one step at a time

the rerun still has a week, give or take

pretty sure it hits the archive after this anyway, right?

[old arch]

Yeah maybe!

Hmm.

I'm in shambles.

[limpid siren]

take a break

you're doing fine

come back with a fresh mindset

[old arch]

Yeah.. haha.

Thanks for the help so far everyone.

[glass monolith]

Curse Silvergun, now i can't stop picking Quartz in IS4

[timid schooner]

lmao

[ancient fern]

How do you deal with the jetpackers on the one stage with the holes

In the new IS

[gray stone]

If they hit something, it cancels out the momentum

[ancient fern]

How do you make them hit something, like collide with them or shoot them?

[gray stone]

Just have something in these 2 tiles

They have ranged attacks

preferably on the ranged tile, a medic will cancel out any momentum

iirc in emergency stages, you need to also slow them?

[ancient fern]

I am winging this so hard bc this is the first time I've done an IS at all

Some of the stages are cakewalks and then it hits you with here's a bunch of civvies find out who's sus and heres a bunch of mobsters to swarm you at the end

[limpid siren]

you'll get used to it

[ancient fern]

which is the best starter set between the operator types

*recruitment set

Like from these

I'[ve been going with the third option

[scarlet mortar]

depends on who you have

defender or guard starts are nice ig

[limpid siren]

generally this season of IS favours openers that have aoe and/or block count

Overcoming Your Weaknesses' guard ticket could be used for something like a reaper, for example

[scarlet mortar]

vg's are rarely carries for their hope costs

yh the third option is great for reaper openers

[ancient fern]

Also yeah I am terrible at managing hope

Also is it normal for your runs to sometimes just get bricked first encounter bc both combat nodes suck for your initial 3 ops you chose?

[limpid siren]

early hope economy is rough for now, until you unlock a few more of the perks from Cross-Cultural Comparison

[limpid siren]

this comes with the territory, until you settle into an opener that can handle the early floors

[scarlet mortar]

i can manage all starting maps with just highmore + 3*s

so,

[limpid siren]

note down what exactly is killing your openers and try something else

[scarlet mortar]

it shouldn't be that bad

try not to gun for a 6* too early

[limpid siren]

but yea, if your run is dying in floor 1 or 2, the problem is very likely that your opener is weak

you shouldn't be relying on stage rng to make it to floor 3

[ancient fern]

so Im actually gonna have to build my 3 stars then huh

Or do I just use the rentals

[limpid siren]

you don't have to build them, but a few of them can make some drafts a bit easier

[shell arch]

Don't build adnachiel thank you

[sly drift]

I'm not satisfied

[shell arch]

Whoa phy amp

Poggers

She couldn't?

[scarlet mortar]

according to dragongjy she can

[shell arch]

Never used ash s2 before

[scarlet mortar]

[sly drift]

Great

[scarlet mortar]

she uses just over half her mag before the stun wears off

[shell arch]

[glass monolith]

Just use Eunectes S2

[shell arch]

I kinda want to pull ash because she looks good in paper now

[sly drift]

Will she even get banner rerun

[shell arch]

Wraith and other unblockable enemies:

[scarlet mortar]

ela ohw to deal more damage than her offskill

[sly drift]

Rerun event. Yes. Banner rerun?

[glass monolith]

Dude they already had banner rerun and now cope second event

Also i heard if you obtained Ash in original event no 120 for guarantee deal for you

[shell arch]

If they do that they'd better keep old pity

What operators deal 100k total dmg other than ceombe?

I never take attention to them

[foggy grove]

cn already doen maint?

[scarlet mortar]

uhhhh a lot

kroos2 S2

[shell arch]

Is this a moment?

[scarlet mortar]

all the good 6*s nowadays should also reach 100k

which says sth ig

DB should reach 100k easy with max targets

[sly drift]

100k is kinda normal but this shit near 140k

[shell arch]

Well she has atkscale so there's still hope to cope

[limpid siren]

pretty sure she'd still miss a handful of shots

napkin maths doesn't account for the end of the grenade toss animation eating into stun time

it's why she doesn't hit an even 20 shots with 4s stun time

17 or 18 shots depending on enemy distance

[scarlet mortar]

wait but she doesn't stun until the grenade hits

[limpid siren]

she still has to take her gun back out

[scarlet mortar]

there's some lag but it's not the grenade throwing anim

[limpid siren]

there's also projectile travel time

[foggy grove]

[main vortex]

i haven't played in a couple years, worth pulling on the headhunting banner?

[sly drift]

Thyphon banner

[glass monolith]

Techically all banners are "headhunting"

[main vortex]

watchama call it

guaranteed

whatever thing

i mean right now, i have hoshiguma and angelina

[surreal star]

reminder that the exact numbers for r6 still fall under datamined content

[old arch]

Okay I may need help.

So the Awaken has more res than it has def.

[ancient fern]

Which of these do I take first

of the three on the right I mean

[glass monolith]

Ultimate cheat sheet https://tomimi.dev/en/sami

[old arch]

Er, wait did you tag the wrong person.

[glass monolith]

I have no idea who awakened is

[latent monolith]

Awaken is the DV boss

Well technically "Awaken"

[sullen rover]

cheat? isnt that illegal?

[glass monolith]

[latent monolith]

but still

[latent monolith]

that's not what a cheat sheet means

[old arch]

Hmm.

Damn I've never been this hardstuck on a stage. 😭 But I just know it's not impossible.

I'm just not braining hard enough.

[glass monolith]

650 DEF, 50 French resistance

[turbid badge]

tomimi dev isnt illegal

its amazing to look at maps

[glass monolith]

He just did what EU always do and read only half of words

[turbid badge]

eu, minus u sure u have the right audience

[glass monolith]

"Woke" (Google translate) has 650 DEF on DV-8, 750 on EX, 900 on CM. Rez 50

[old arch]

Yeah.

Hmm.

My issue is more that like... I don't quite know how to break through its stats while also keeping the robots at bay.

[glass monolith]

Step 1. Kill robots

[gray stone]

It's funny

This event has some really tanky targets

[glass monolith]

Also boss unique ability is making all damage to it be done to robot activating shit all around map instead

[gray stone]

Robots wants arts damage
But boss and Dor-y wants physical

[old arch]

Yeah. 😭

[gray stone]

Sounds like you can use a Tequila idk

[old arch]

I can't seem to nail it...

Idk how many hours I've been at this lol.

[scarlet mortar]

the big goos die to arts better imo

[gray stone]

oh yeah I misremember

Only boss wants phys

[scarlet mortar]

1k def is still a huge ask

[old arch]

So the boss dies to phys, but like.

My Platinum isn't really doing much to it.

Am I crazy.

[gray stone]

Well

When people say phys

[scarlet mortar]

plat is a 5* marksman so

[gray stone]

they usually meant better than Marksmen

[scarlet mortar]

she does decent phys but it took her entire kit to do that much

marksmen are just terrible matchups against def

[old arch]

Okay can I quote my box from earlier.

[limpid siren]

the years haven't been very kind to marksmen

[old arch]

If you guys have any new suggestions. 😭

So hmm.

I tried moving my ops around, re-deployment order, etc.

[gray stone]

Free Tequila

[old arch]

I can relatively easily get the boss to P2.

I just get blown up because of several things.

First, 4-way Journey. So I would need to recall my ops.

But obviously timer.

Hmm.

Idk. Sorry it's more than that haha.

[gray stone]

Again, Tequila is free in Record Restore

[old arch]

OH.

I thought.

You meant IRL tequila.

[gray stone]

nah

He's a pretty cool unit, in Record Restore for Dossoles Holiday

[old arch]

I have him, but hmm. I'm not quite sure.

What does Tequila bring to the table for me?

[gray stone]

High physical damage

[old arch]

He's also level 1 because... er. 🙃

Oh.

[gray stone]

@limpid siren hey, how is Tequila vs SilverAsh damage comparison

[limpid siren]

what is this 2022?

[gray stone]

I know SilverAsh can clear this one

DV-8

dunno about Tequila

[old arch]

Oh I'm having issues with the EX ver. haha.

[gray stone]

oh that

[limpid siren]

from memory teq wins for dph and bulk
or was it dps, idr

for ex i can check what team i used

probably

[old arch]

#strategy message This is basically my progress.

Hmmmmmmm.

I mean, I've changed a few things.

But that's generally as far as I get.

[limpid siren]

oh huh

yea

ex 8 is fun

[gray stone]

Yeah it's ass the last time I played it too

[limpid siren]

you're fairly close to a kill

[gray stone]

Dorothy appearing in CM

[limpid siren]

which amiya skill is that

[compact shoal]

U got a good base slave (assuming have e2 shamare) and phy dps burst assuming u dont have the 6 star option (iirc his dps is around the same SA at 3 target and falling behind above that target)

[scarlet mortar]

goo spam is cring

[old arch]

S2.

[limpid siren]

hmm

is she e2

[old arch]

Honestly you say "fairly close", but I literally can't break through though so it's like the farthest thing ever. 😭

Yeah, everyone is E2 70.

[gray stone]

#strategy message

[limpid siren]

wait is that phase two

idk man it's been a while

[old arch]

Yep. 😭