strategy

[limpid siren]

ah i almost forgot to do FD-8 CM

instead of just practice mode

[quick pecan]

ok i just promoted hibis

[tidal sedge]

It's basically no different if you're using Amiya s3 to dunk on Andoain

[quick pecan]

hopefully e2 by end of week or so

[limpid siren]

no amiya

had an odd job team

[tidal sedge]

That reminds me, I should record a weird inconsistency in that stage

[limpid siren]

kroos and specter chased him around the map

kroos was surprisingly not very helpful in this event

[tidal sedge]

Sometimes a ranged op shoots the first mortar at a position they shouldn't

[limpid siren]

[tidal sedge]

It's probably some shenanigans with block shifting

[quick pecan]

also damn was there no module preview yet

wanted a sneak peak to the blitz / lisk updates

hopefully tomorrow ig

[limpid siren]

incoming 5* tho

[quick pecan]

he’s cute

i need him

[weak gazelle]

another one from sami?

and why ela have 1 talent despite 6*?

[quick pecan]

she has two

they never show second talent in preview

[weak gazelle]

i see
never paid attention to it since 6*

[quick pecan]

you’re fine

they just never show it

idk if it’s to give one last amount of cope / interest for release or what

but they always wait for release to reveal second talent

[weak gazelle]

it doesnt matter for me anyway
to me 6* only matter in hard content anything below that either boring or waste my time

oh yeah no nyus yet about new module
where my +res lisk mod

[limpid siren]

arkhy is4 tomorrow

time to teach me how to play

[glass monolith]

I use overpowered 5* 4* outside of moment when I really don't want to mald, mostly CMs and CC and SSS and TfN and POO and...

[weak gazelle]

~9 hours from now until released
sadly i have no time when its released

[tidal sedge]

Cool. Got it fast.

[weak gazelle]

i remember doesnt have ops raised that can levitate

[tidal sedge]

Why does it feel like it so much weird stuff happens to me in this game

[limpid siren]

mostly because you look for it

knowing what to look for can lead to you seeing even more weird shit

neat

i'm guessing that's firewatch pushing him slightly further into highmore's tile

[tidal sedge]

If I had to guess the cause behind this, the mortar is approaching at a slightly diagonal angle which leads to being shifted slightly being blocked. Which can lead to the mortar's hurtbox into Amiya's range.

Ah. Firewatch might be why?

[limpid siren]

idk

i think i'm wrong?

[glass monolith]

Because it is spaggetti engine

[limpid siren]

either way it's definitely block shifting

[weak gazelle]

when lurk show it
ahh, i hope i didnt see it in the first place

[limpid siren]

but of the two videos the only difference is firewatch

[scarlet mortar]

uhhh fw doesn't have anything shift-related

[limpid siren]

so i wonder if somehow she is affecting his position

[tidal sedge]

I'll try it again and retreat Firewatch

Or multiple times rather

[scarlet mortar]

this should be it

[limpid siren]

every unit with at least one block count can block shift

but high tile shouldn't affect low ground

[limpid siren]

which is why i said this

[scarlet mortar]

fw is a ranged op she isn't blocking nor shifting there

[tidal sedge]

I noticed this because it mattered, this caused problems in cm as it could deny Amiya enough total damage to kill Andoain until I supplemented damage via Swire Alter

[scarlet mortar]

i'm typing with one hand so scuse the lag

[glass monolith]

I swear he is several pixels to right

[limpid siren]

has to be a block shift either way

[tidal sedge]

My original Andoain bait was Nearl

[weak gazelle]

it remind me of pancho being drown by block shifting
i think this one more like lurk say, slightly diagonal path/move

[limpid siren]

i just want to believe it's firewatch somehow

because i think that would be funny

[weak gazelle]

well high tile make it impossible in this case
maybe it work if no tile restriction like ce map

[limpid siren]

let me dream

[weak gazelle]

yes please

[glass monolith]

During my DH-9 grind i noticed if you kill pancho boat right as it reaches boat wait spot he will skip his wait spot in phase 2 which uh....
Don't do shit because either way stage goal is to wait for last 2 casters

[quick pecan]

this game is spaghetti

one time my broca hit an enemy off skill while facing down to another lane because the enemies piled up enough for one of their hitboxes to be partially within the high tile in between

it was in ch. 11 i forget which stage

[scarlet mortar]

yh silvergun used that intentionally

check his recent H12-4 clear

[limpid siren]

it can happen in anni 3 too with the ifrit strat

it was like blaze? bot lane i think

so the status res made the stun wore off early

meaning she'd push the enemy up into the high tile above her

[quick pecan]

silly game

[scarlet mortar]

basically ranged tiles kiiinda lose collision logic when blockshifted

if it's just shifting they have borders, but blockshifts take prio ig

[tidal sedge]

Unfortunately I'm going to be shattering it.

That said, this took a few times to get this time.

[glass monolith]

Well it would be awkward if some enemy started meleeing my sniper
And i don't want to talk about Lin event where all ranged tiles are melee tiles

[limpid siren]

damn, firewatch bad unit

[scarlet mortar]

no not like that

[limpid siren]

ig just similar to pancho then

slight variations with block shifting and/or pathing

[scarlet mortar]

as in, an enemy that's blockshifted into ranged tiles won't get pushed back by the ranged tiles' borders

[tidal sedge]

Also I looked closer at it's pathing and it's approaching at an angle different from bot mobs

[scarlet mortar]

they'd actually go partially into the tile (and their targeting radius is bigger than their collision radius too)

[tidal sedge]

So it's moving slightly diagonally which leads to this block shifting

[scarlet mortar]

so that's how they seem like they're half in the ranged tile

[scarlet mortar]

yeag it's probs coords rounding

[tidal sedge]

Funny trivia before these stages disappear at least.

[weak gazelle]

yes a good trivia to refresh my memories about hitbox and collision

[tidal sedge]

More invis reveal huh

I'm really not sure how to feel about that

[spark sinew]

ines was overdue for a "nerf"

although I'm not sure if the solution of "just make more stealth counters so we can spam stealth units" is a good one

[tidal sedge]

Although I'm not sure if Blitz or Lisk have enough range to use it well

Jessica ofc has range extension on her skills

[spark sinew]

well it's like ines offskill isn't it

looks fine

[scarlet mortar]

trapmaster Xmod

i'm sorry

can we have a moment for that

[foggy grove]

what moment

[foggy grove]

interesting

but like why

[scarlet mortar]

they cooked

HG really actually said become ungovernable

[foggy grove]

oh it's for ela

i can see the angle

[tidal sedge]

Ine has herself + her sentry

[scarlet mortar]

did the same guy who made heavyshooter Xmod cook for this patch

bc let him cook

[tidal sedge]

Ela traps have larger detection area don't they?

[scarlet mortar]

yh

[tidal sedge]

Makes sense tbh

[foggy grove]

ye

[tidal sedge]

Dorothy won't use that well outside of s3

[foggy grove]

but like it's only useful for ela

[tidal sedge]

But that's kinda whatever as her current module is already very good

[scarlet mortar]

there's a good chance neither of them are gonna get the other variant

and on the off chance they do get second mods, there's Dmod

[foggy grove]

i have to wonder with the random invis reveal on sentinel

[scarlet mortar]

i like how HG doubled down with ela being unable to benefit from Ymod crits and just give Xmod zero synergy with doro

[tidal sedge]

If anything this is a good thing as there's less reason to be anxious about 2nd mod outclassing 1st one

[scarlet mortar]

yh

HG chose to be funny

i support it

[tidal sedge]

They clearly do not want to buff Sentinel bulk, so instead give them some random utility

Sentinels were split off from Protectors the same time the latter got their modules. They really did not want Lisk to get either Protector module trait

[glass monolith]

Years 5 of AK be like: Invisible unblockable elite/boss each 2nd event

[limpid siren]

i quite like liskarm's module

[tidal sedge]

More sp for self is nice

[limpid siren]

i didn't think she'd ever be main tank material again

but i was honestly resigned to like +5 res

[tidal sedge]

More sp for self or more res were the common guesses I saw

[limpid siren]

more sp for self was my hope

with some shitter module trait

so this is all positive to me

[tidal sedge]

I'm not sure how useful the invis reveal will actually be. Using a defender already means you're committed to blocking doesn't it?

[civic bear]

2 range reveal

its a free silverash

[limpid siren]

i'll take it tbh

[civic bear]

pretty good for jester

[limpid siren]

it sounds more useful to me than some scaling that liskarm can't really use properly anymore

[civic bear]

you can reveal and then stun em

[limpid siren]

there's a non-zero number of examples of invis enemies you don't want to block too

[civic bear]

ye

[limpid siren]

i just think of it like another tool in the box

[civic bear]

dont like the implication of it but

[limpid siren]

lol

yea a lot of invis reveal coming in with this batch

i think like

two years ago i would be upset by this module

but in the current context i'm happier for it

[tidal sedge]

I'd rather this than an attempt at offense buff ye

Also I guess Trapper X module and Ela mines having bigger detection area probably means her and Dorothy conflict little with each other after all.

[limpid siren]

yea

ela kit looks nice

great for nerds

[glass monolith]

Mumu no longer needed to make Ground trapper

[weak gazelle]

hmmm
i see, Ela eating good with her mod (that i honestly think very cracked mod)
sentinel is for jesswick
no idea how this mod can improve blitz and lisk performance
iana mod... yes this is looking very good (even tho no idea how her hologram work)
with this at least i have a reason to pull and raise Iana + Doc
fuze... forget it

ohh yeah good thing ash second mod improve the area she excel most
r6 ops truly got special treatment

[glass monolith]

It is as if they got paid to design units which community will love or something idk

[turbid badge]

wtf

senitel module

is intresting

[limpid siren]

[glass monolith]

But will it be enough to revive uh... how was that defender knight simp name again?

[limpid siren]

Squidy

Unlikely

Dude’s pretty busy these days

[turbid badge]

squidy

tums

squidy quit iirc

[limpid siren]

Tums still plays

Last i saw at least

[turbid badge]

he bussy

[limpid siren]

But yea Squidy quit

[tidal sedge]

YouTube keeps trying to recommend me Tums vids

[spark sinew]

you're very close with him apparently

if knowing those details

[tidal sedge]

He just does stuff besides defenderknights

[turbid badge]

yea

i saw the sarkaznight

[tidal sedge]

I watched that one. Typhon s3 is a neat skill.

[turbid badge]

i want typhon skin alredy

[tidal sedge]

Didn't think I'd like her kit at all tbh. No one really properly described how interesting her s3 is. Probably because most folks dislike it.

[turbid badge]

i only pulled for s3 anyways

lock on fun

[glass monolith]

Why i am cooking waffles now on day of IS4 release?

[ivory nimbus]

I loved her kit. S2 for insane laneholding capability, and S3 for the bosses or occasional nasties that would delete my frontline.

[tidal sedge]

should I go for it? It's doable or should I save it?

[glass monolith]

How much you want to greed is up to you

[limpid siren]

2 keys, i'd be happy to spend one here for this

[novel pivot]

Maximum greed for maximum speed

[scarlet mortar]

not sure what your squad is but voiceless is usually free

[spark sinew]

depends if i have 6* to promo

[glass monolith]

I personally care only for emergencies for guaranteed relics

[spark sinew]

think about it after you clear the battle

[limpid siren]

i'd rather spend frivolously over saving things for a moment that never comes

[scarlet mortar]

idt i've lost to that stage outside that one time i decided to draft zero dps ops

[spark sinew]

well keys are easy to spend because shops

[scarlet mortar]

and it was CM

[lapis hornet]

squid was talking about new defender player that did cc12 clear or something last I heard forget the name tho

[spark sinew]

for summons just don't cope krooster
have something else/buff her/kill heralds

[scarlet mortar]

ozer? aka bric

they're also in LD btw

[lapis hornet]

yeah iirc was ld guy

[scarlet mortar]

kokok's recent FD-8 CM duo bounty was claimed by them lmao

[lapis hornet]

he's super good apparently

[scarlet mortar]

[glass monolith]

s l a v e r y

[lapis hornet]

man why we getting collabs every year now

gonna regret pulling typhon at this rate

unless I skip one of degen or ray which one looks more mid?

[spark sinew]

pull on the better banner

[lapis hornet]

times like this is when we need a tier list

[tidal sedge]

now which should I go? should I go safe or lost and found, because I got a bad collectible

[spark sinew]

out of 3 ops you mentioned the typhon is the most mid

degen is the least

[lapis hornet]

nah typhon must pull

for afk gamer like me

ray looks decently fun but kinda mid

[spark sinew]

as if you don't have 20 other afk ops

edited

[scarlet mortar]

typhon must pull
3 steps

[spark sinew]

and not even instant ones

need to wait for both activations

[lapis hornet]

I'm not low step simp man I'm not tenyi or light

[scarlet mortar]

well you should be

[lapis hornet]

low step needs too many dumb mysteries

[sullen rover]

mysteries?

[foggy grove]

like uh the whole squad

[sullen rover]

[foggy grove]

you see glad on lowstep

you didn't see all the squad buff

shu and ah

sometimes they also use weird skill

sometimes also pot locked so it's mostly whale stuff

[scarlet mortar]

the true endgame flex

doing low step CCB trim, H stages and limited S stages with 5 ops and 8 bench warmers

[spark sinew]

@limpid siren oh yeah, is your executor m6? (m5)

[limpid siren]

just m5

[spark sinew]

wanted to test s1m3

[limpid siren]

you have me added right

[spark sinew]

mine is m2 since launch

🛌

not at the moment, no

almost found cooler igneus but they use e2 mud skin

[limpid siren]

you wound me

[tall cairn]

Smh.

[limpid siren]

ig you're why i ended up at 49/50 then

[tidal sedge]

Should I go safe house or lost and found to get rid of the bad collectible?

[limpid siren]

what cursed relic do you have

[tidal sedge]

More health

[limpid siren]

i would get rid of that

hard to find a relic worth more than removing +25% enemy health

[spark sinew]

thought you got hit by a bus

happens with all of us, really

[limpid siren]

no matter

saved me from finding someone to remove for nliv

until you asked me for this, that is

[tidal sedge]

Is there a list of what bad relics should I remove at all costs?

[limpid siren]

you mostly learn by feel

[spark sinew]

only anabolism but even then it can be arguable

depending on the pathing

[limpid siren]

-light relics are typically not that dangerous, unless you're hunting for a specific ending

[spark sinew]

flashing swords and wood suit are way too strong

[glass monolith]

(Look on do damage on deploy relic)

[limpid siren]

anyway, surprising amount of people interested in executor lately

only p4 btw

[spark sinew]

i'm assuming it's uhhh

2 people?

[limpid siren]

3, but 2 from here

[spark sinew]

3, damn!

[limpid siren]

that do be 3 more than usual

[tall cairn]

Nais.

[spark sinew]

shouldn't have gone into the stage with sui's wrath

[tall cairn]

True.

[glass monolith]

Let's be honest, i will do it again if i have a chance

[tall cairn]

It’s funny, but you ruined the free Vigil carry. Smh.

[glass monolith]

You have 8 more slots in that squad

no ranged enemies 1 choke point, bunch of ranged tiles

[spark sinew]

lower rarity units are viable, use them

meanwhile some 5* cost a lot more for a very dubious performance increase (your current ones are fine though).

[dark glade]

Looks like a help roster

Minus bunch of 3 stars

[rocky anvil]

About to fight Cannot for the first time. All he does is throw buffs on enemies and debuffs on our operators right?

[green marlin]

Just buffs on enemies

[rocky anvil]

Oh ok, any particular buffs and enemies I should watch out for?

[glass monolith]

Depends on which floor you decided you not friend with Cannot anymore

[green marlin]

Yea theres that buff which makes the enemies invincible for like 5 sec or sth

[rocky anvil]

last floor

[glass monolith]

I more hate when he sleeps and regens enemies to pile them up

[green marlin]

That also

Well if u have good ranged units like chalter or eyja and tanky ones like kal s3 you should be fine

[rocky anvil]

I have Kaltsit, Texas, Yato, Gnosis, Pozy, Ling, Pinecone, and E1 Ines

Would that be enough?

I'm on Ascension 7 I think

the one with the max bonus EXP

[scarlet mortar]

sleeping enemies are what you described as making them invincible

cannot only has two buffs, that one and the one that makes the enemies killing machines

[sullen rover]

ash broken and meta soon

🥹

[vivid rain]

ash will finally be good

[glass monolith]

Time to cook 340 pulls in 6 months as F2P
Or throw Shu into window

[modern plover]

No way the dream is real

[spark sinew]

just use ela as a marskman

subscribe for more useful tips

[latent anvil]

Wonder if anyone will have to go 120 on both

[spark sinew]

so far i went 120 for both collabs

surely the streak will continue

[latent anvil]

so bad

I went 60 and 100

[glass monolith]

Ok got Yato alter on 69th pull outside free

(Take lesson 123 pull Typhon)

[spark sinew]

way better than my debut banners

but anyway

[velvet dawn]

Vigil is so hot

[waxen swan]

Bro built like a failure

[full finch]

time for some JT8-3 help

[silver garden]

i have schwing schwing if that helps

[full finch]

[silver garden]

what

[full finch]

E2 lv1

[silver garden]

in my defense i use the arknights tier list a lot

[quick pecan]

huh

the sentinel module is interesting

didn’t expect invis reveal

[full finch]

well E2 ptilo is something

[scarlet mortar]

E2max

joev

[quick pecan]

but thank god liskarm more def

[silver garden]

i heard that shes good

and i like schwing schwing

[full finch]

actually, ptilo + gav might do single lane firewaves

[scarlet mortar]

it's not even that you levelled SA more than other people, but that you E2max'd him

[full finch]

lv80 -> lv90 costs over 200k LMD, and is a total waste

[scarlet mortar]

specifically when the cost of E2maxing someone from E2L40 is the same as the cost of raising a 6* from scratch to...... E2L40

[full finch]

so the main idea with JT8-3 is using fast redeploys to bait ignite

black snake ignites 2 units every 19s

optionally, you could tank 1 of the 2 but your healing is kinda sad so I wouldn't recommend it

[silver garden]

ehehehehe super scwing

[scarlet mortar]

this is so sad

[silver garden]

i never realized tbh

[scarlet mortar]

what's done is done ig

[silver garden]

at that time i was confused on what to do with an abundance of resources

and went ill just max silverash

[scarlet mortar]

the last 30 levels are basically a vertical cliff in mats

[silver garden]

at least now if anyone needs e2 max silverash you can ask me

[silver garden]

shibal

im dead

[spark sinew]

i just assume it's max level voucher nowadays

[silver garden]

nope

it was all one by one

[scarlet mortar]

eat the rich

[spark sinew]

yeah i would do more even levels

but first raise base workers

[full finch]

wtf there's like 7 max 3⭐

[spark sinew]

the worst part is that i see no spot

[silver garden]

ya i used to think ill finish the game fully on kyostin tutorials

turns out i didnt have the patience

[spark sinew]

gonna pay off in is4!

anyway

are you wiping to firestorm

or the boss is the problem as well

[silver garden]

i havent tried facing her

[spark sinew]

there are several mechanics at play in this stage

i do rec trying yourself first

[silver garden]

any like tutorial advice

im not good in the game other than schwing schwing

[spark sinew]

try not to die

bring 2 healers at least prob

[silver garden]

i died three times in jt8-2

[full finch]

okay
so there are a few routing issues I'm looking at

[spark sinew]

mountain on s2, not s1

[full finch]

first of all

blocking the boss

[silver garden]

HOSHI RAHHH

[full finch]

the boss deals true damage

[silver garden]

or mudruck

[full finch]

so only healing is important

and your healing is weak

[silver garden]

so hoshi

so drone

[scarlet mortar]

mud gets folded so hard by talulah

[silver garden]

shes a good stall unit tho

works as good as gravel

[full finch]

the first option is the easy one
borrow nightingale

[waxen swan]

She's not for her

[silver garden]

done

[scarlet mortar]

yh but there's nuance in this game

[full finch]

however

[scarlet mortar]

talulah is basically one of the worst matchups for her

[spark sinew]

is this s3 mud

[full finch]

there are still a few issues

[spark sinew]

she should stall very well, i remember even coping it on h8-4 and it worked

decently well

[silver garden]

i usually use s2

[full finch]

who will block the firewaves
option 1 is hoshi
option 2 is gavial

[silver garden]

gavial alter?

[full finch]

yes

[scarlet mortar]

she burns,

[silver garden]

how bout bagel

[full finch]

lol

[waxen swan]

Lol

[spark sinew]

can't mountain block the waves

[full finch]

not at E1

[scarlet mortar]

tbh saving grace is that talulah takes a gap year to swing once

[full finch]

1 unit needs to block firewaves, and 2 units need to block the boss

that's a lot of bulk

[silver garden]

oh how bout s2 silverash

good healing

[scarlet mortar]

with a dps next to mud she'd live long enough to survive a run-in with talulah

[full finch]

ideally, gavial blocks the firewaves

[spark sinew]

do tell me your SA is m9

[full finch]

but this will make phase 2 harder

[silver garden]

s3m3

other than that nope

[full finch]

mmkay I'm getting an idea

the issue is still uh

phase 2

[scarlet mortar]

you expected M9 when everyone else is E2L1

[spark sinew]

i mean SA is also e2 90 and they jumped at opportunity to use s2

[scarlet mortar]

idt people in AKO simp that hard

[spark sinew]

i did expect m9

[full finch]

phase 2 has two options
option 1: kill the boss before she summons crystals
option 2: kill the boss after she summons crystals and hope you survive

[silver garden]

https://tenor.com/view/hellagur-silverash-arknights-meme-absolute-broken-gif-17129172

[silver garden]

i have no clue about both

im okay with borrowing tho

[sullen rover]

hellagur BROKEN

[full finch]

in phase 2, the boss summons crystals that explod and ignite units

if any of your units get ignited, they will basically die

[silver garden]

he looks like mylnars dad

[scarlet mortar]

i think SA can be rdp'd for phase 2?

[silver garden]

like the cold owl girl

frostnove

[scarlet mortar]

might as well

[silver garden]

ya her

[full finch]

possibly, but unlikely

I'm thinking it'll end up as option 2

hope you get good crystal spawns and NG doesn't get ignited

[scarlet mortar]

you can stall out the last bit of p1 hp

[full finch]

oh true

[scarlet mortar]

retreat SA early and then proc the firestorm

[silver garden]

oh ya can we use like bait units

[scarlet mortar]

then schwing.mp4

[full finch]

yes, but not all crystal spawns can be blocked

[silver garden]

SCHWING SCHWING

[silver garden]

so its like rng

[scarlet mortar]

crystal spawns are fixed iirc

they follow a cycle, just not sure if they always start with the same set

[full finch]

not all of them can be blocked though

[scarlet mortar]

usually i just let my bait ops thwack them

[silver garden]

its okay i have enough sanity

[scarlet mortar]

phantom S2 showcase

[silver garden]

so we're borrowing phantom

[full finch]

borrow NG

[silver garden]

YOOO can texas alter just instakill her

[scarlet mortar]

cantabile and red works ig

[full finch]

ofc not

[scarlet mortar]

cexas brainrot real

[scarlet mortar]

gravel cantabile red should be enough to cycle and deal with crystals

granted it's tighter since red has few pots

and cantabile's only sub-rdp

oh actually SA makes up for the pots

eh winnable

[silver garden]

so so so

is it possibke

[scarlet mortar]

plenty imo

the only q is how hard you're working for it

technically you don't need any borrows with that roster, as long as you know what you're doing

[silver garden]

ok i do not know what im doing

[silver garden]

took me half a day to finish anni smth

im pretty dedicated

[full finch]

okay

a test run shows me it should be doable

I just need to confirm

you have any tactician vanguard, right? even e0 lv1 is fine

[silver garden]

whats a tactician vanguard

[full finch]

beanstalk/blacknight

[silver garden]

lemme google

[scarlet mortar]

just have gravel and red carry tbh

[full finch]

having a tactician here is massive

if not things become much more troublesome

[scarlet mortar]

actually wait there's a troll option here

[spark sinew]

help

[scarlet mortar]

hmmmge who's your tankiest burst staller

eh

not worth it

[scarlet mortar]

[full finch]

that doesn't work

[scarlet mortar]

i did say troll option

though ngl if you stalled her long enough you have plenty of time to rdp SA

[full finch]

yeah

[scarlet mortar]

i can probs force it to work with that roster even if it's impractical

[full finch]

uh no

[scarlet mortar]

[full finch]

they don't have any medics that reach that far

[scarlet mortar]

don't have to camp her to death

just deal enough damage

then save SA for later

[full finch]

and you die leaks during firewave

[scarlet mortar]

yh the point isn't to kill her

it's to reduce the time you'll have to face her p1

[full finch]

phase 2 is a lot worse

better to stall in phase 1

[scarlet mortar]

once she reaches center stage you don't want her there for long

why not just.. stall p1 less

[full finch]

because she has +50% ATK and HP in phase 2

[scarlet mortar]

no like

1. SA p1 down to <50%
2. retreat SA and let talulah walk
3. set up
4. stall talulah but faster
5. firestorm
6. SA is back up now

[full finch]

you'd probably get fucked by ignites

[scarlet mortar]

depends on how long SA takes

[full finch]

no I mean during setup

[scarlet mortar]

uhhhh that's what FRDs are for

[full finch]

it's not that simple

she ignites 2 units every 19s, and 2 FRD costs at least 15 DP, and up to 25+

[spark sinew]

surely you can tank the ignite, as long as it's not her blocker?

[scarlet mortar]

1. they have myrtle and ely
2. that's half mitigated if you alternate letting a spare op tank the burn

[glass monolith]

Wait. Dorothy rerun is NOW?

[full finch]

yes, it's doable, but it's very finicky and simply not worth doing

[scarlet mortar]

i uh, did it

[spark sinew]

why wouldn't it be

[scarlet mortar]

for my auto

[full finch]

wow that sounds awful

[scarlet mortar]

if it works it works

[full finch]

why would you do this to yourself

[spark sinew]

oh yeah the banner reruns as well...

[scarlet mortar]

tacticians weren't out at the time

[spark sinew]

time to see how many people will be baited to pull

[scarlet mortar]

and i didn't bother with beanstalk anw

[full finch]

beanstalk is goated tho

amazing unit

[scarlet mortar]

yh too bad i only got her at endgame

[full finch]

I used her all through chap7 and 8

and she was critical for my cc5 clear

[spark sinew]

did ex8 boss always hurt that much

[scarlet mortar]

yes

[spark sinew]

ah, flagpipe check

[vernal lion]

HE-EX-8 boss belike

[scarlet mortar]

smh just retreat

[vernal lion]

btw Magallan solo DV-8

[full finch]

it's uh

500% ATK split across all units

the boss has 1350 ATK in EX-8

[scarlet mortar]

6k phys in DV-8

[scarlet mortar]

6750 phys

[latent monolith]

who do I use for IS4 opening

any dalao in chat

[scarlet mortar]

edit, accidental POO modifier

[latent monolith]

6750k phys

truly poo moment

100000%

[full finch]

IS4

[glass monolith]

Astgenne skin and paradox

[latent monolith]

Oh yeah astgenne skin

I should buy it

[vernal lion]

ok i just spent like 5 minutes to read the IS4 tutorial

[latent monolith]

I have decided to subscribe to the fuck around and find out ideology

[full finch]

it's just IS

surely it won't be that bad

[vernal lion]

just go with casual combo, vg sniper and spec

[silver garden]

OK IM BACK

ALSO ITS MY BIRTHDAY WOO HOO

anw

time to celebrate by beating jt8-3

also for the tactcian i have vigil

and blacknight

[vernal lion]

ok I got it

you will need to reduce the collapse value if you don't want a debuff

it will just keep increasing when you get on new floor

and making a foldartal with same color will gain additional buff

those civis look like the tiny kid in Little Nightmares

[glass monolith]

Was there medal to kill each dv-7 robot? Why that cringe is my auto

[gray stone]

STOP STARTING WITH SEXAS

[vernal lion]

WAIT

the mimic in IS4 will take away 2 hp when leaked

[gray stone]

the chest?

[vernal lion]

yes

[glass monolith]

IT IS SO OVER

[vernal lion]

the mf chest is right in front of the blue box,

how tf can I secure it lol

[gray stone]

This stage is kinda ass

[vernal lion]

this boss is ass tho

ok

floor 4 in IS4 is so ass

I lost tho

bruh these squad's names

[glass monolith]

Greyy alter paradox: Ladder leading into teleporting in

[vernal lion]

Irene dream

[spark sinew]

she can't attack levitated enemies can she

[vernal lion]

levitated = aerial enemy

here we are

[quick pecan]

bro just barely makes it

i wonder if he doesn’t without module lol

@limpid siren @tidal sedge real broca hours 💪

[vernal lion]

[quick pecan]

fml tried to cheese a rockrock / greyy alt pot

harmonie p5

at least it was the first pull

[gray stone]

BRUH

NOT THE GOOD TILE

[quick pecan]

typhon jumpscare

[vernal lion]

nice top tile

tbh, I have skill issue right now

[gray stone]

WHAT IS THIS

[quick pecan]

which should i do first

[ornate zephyr]

That looks like hell

[glass monolith]

Looks like map.

[vernal lion]

surely easy

[quick pecan]

real fortress shilling

(the only fortress named horn)

[gray stone]

It's fucking Emergency

[quick pecan]

i would simply reset bestie

[vernal lion]

imagine you can change emergency node to encounter

[gray stone]

Skill treeless d0 is still skill tree less

[glass monolith]

Give me option to change encounter to emergency then we talk

[vernal lion]

skill tree less btw

[gray stone]

It's mega hard to work with such a low squad size

[glass monolith]

laugh in summoners

[gray stone]

IS4 is the only IS I would take +1 Squad Size over Spinach lmao

bruh

[vernal lion]

this map has only 22 enemies and it's also bullshit

[quick pecan]

jessica alter will save you 💪

[glass monolith]

Well chapter 13 will have only 14 enemies

[jovial nest]

Was able to beat DV-EX-8 CM with a bit of trust ops.
It was nice redoing that with newer ops. I like using Reedic's S3 for idle mech killing

[jovial nest]

does skill tree improve that?

[jovial nest]

LMAO that's like what Rat King's IS2 map was like. But except for smaller RPGs that fire once and spiders, it's UFOs and a Laterano RPG that fires twice

[ebon musk]

what's the recommended starting squad for is4?
with like one 6* to carry and whatever

[gray stone]

Yes

[smoky parcel]

what squad should i choose on the beginning? I tried my favourite starter from IS3 (texas alter, kroos and fang) but its hard... floor 3 on my first 3 attempts was max...

[gray stone]

Skill tree less is really ass for that reason

You are literally fighting f3 boss with 6 slots

and the entire f1 can go without leveling up once

[jovial nest]

i mean, wasn't that the case for IS2 and IS3 without skill trees?

[gray stone]

That squad require some practice, go for Reed Flameshadow, Popukar, Orchid/Reserved

[deft badger]

uu is4 is out nice, grind time i guess

[jovial nest]

thats why it's so rough doing first runs due to how gimped slots, limits, ingots, and stats are

[gray stone]

IS4 is extra ass without them

[glass monolith]

Started my first IS4 run........
Are you sure it is floor 1?

[deft badger]

why?

[smoky parcel]

I've never used reed alter so dunno how to use her... which skill do you recommend? Which one should i use on her?

[gray stone]

S2 and S3 are both used

[deft badger]

i guess that i am just going to try it out then i will know what u mean Minus..

[gray stone]

It's a stage by stage basis

[gray stone]

You need to check some boxes for IS4 f1

[sweet steppe]

whats a good operator/'s to start with on IS4?

[glass monolith]

S3 is good against large amount of weak enemies
S2 is "Why did it suddenly die" button

[gray stone]

• 2 block
• AoE damage
• Sustain (optional)
  After expanstion, you need to check the "High phys damage" box too

fucking Phalanx Soldiers fucking Reed up lmao

[glass monolith]

MH map which sends 3 goats running at same time because F you

[gray stone]

Reed/Popukar/Orchid or Reserved

[gray stone]

Doable

[glass monolith]

As floor is lava player?

[gray stone]

Just fish for E2

A lot of E2 can leakless f1

[glass monolith]

Tell it to 15 slugs leaking while my blocker is having fun time with W's friends

[gray stone]

Skrill issues

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[smoky parcel]

which 6* sniper is the best for IS4?

[glass monolith]

Thanks dear piece of shit game for 0 medics in 3 floors I guess

Unless I miss some easy to abuse part about IS4 casters

[gray stone]

Typhon

Ray when she releases

Greyy Alter too

Do not draft Pozy

[smoky parcel]

oh, so typhon is first, ok

[quick pecan]

fuck do i unironically need to raise my popukar

[gray stone]

Nah, Ray first

[smoky parcel]

what about guard and caster? should i choose GG or eyja?

[gray stone]

Guard is the classic Mlynar

Casters pick whatever

[quick pecan]

ok yeah after doing one run

can confirm a lot of this stuff is indeed greyy alter supremacy

did not expect to see those goofy ass monster hunter enemies

[gray stone]

yuh

Sluggish being king

and Greyy Alt applying it the most consistently

so funny

[quick pecan]

magallan was so meme

in this preset

[spark sinew]

305 alloy 204 kohl
is this finally the time to farm poly

[glass monolith]

Wtf i suppose to do with IS4 casters? They just murder my shit, refuse to elaborate and drift into box

[gray stone]

Healing

[jovial nest]

[latent anvil]

Ooh nightmare stonks

Wait wrong caster and healing

close enough

[glass monolith]

First medic after 2 floor 3 runs and first thing i get is fucking DH escort quest, without caster

I'm even more offended by it being noob difficulty instead difficulty 0

[latent anvil]

Hauckindu is ur nightmare lvl

[gray stone]

This is why you start with a Medic bozo

or Spot

[glass monolith]

Fuck this shit. Kazemaru save me

[spark sinew]

some stages are kinda bs without big multitarget/aoe

i did ayhd once and really didn't like it

reedic too comfy

[latent anvil]

how level is ur nightmare

[spark sinew]

oh it was a q

no

[latent anvil]

[spark sinew]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/Hauckindu

sorry i only level good casters

[jovial nest]

oh like Reedic

[spark sinew]

if only

[latent anvil]

Wtfart

Where qb s1

And tomimi

[spark sinew]

gimmicky stuff

5 attacks to proc bind

[latent anvil]

I gonna level my nightmare

[spark sinew]

level actually bad units

[latent anvil]

eh

I'm broke rn

Idk why

[spark sinew]

i wonder...

[latent anvil]

wheres teta pro

I need his nightmare

[glass monolith]

AHAHAHAHAH MAW MAP

I'm done with this shit for this week

And FUCT that they take away 40% of my progress on EXP until i win first run is BS

[glad turtle]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/Keiko

is there someone I should raise for IS4? or who should i start off with? tried a few times with ines and taxes starter but i die at the start of floor 2

[jovial nest]

wait you have to win in EZ mode before you get D0?

[spark sinew]

d0 is the ez mode

d7=d10 it seems

[jovial nest]

and it has a -40% in EXP?

[spark sinew]

judging by medals

yes

[jovial nest]

i guess it shows how much they think IS4 is easier than IS3

[spark sinew]

more like how easy it was to grind is3

[ebon musk]

jesus christ why is is4 so hard

what's the starting squad sposed to be

[jovial nest]

support is always solid

until you learn more about the mechanics

[foggy grove]

i heard is 4 is easier
just rougher early when no tree built

[jovial nest]

just like any IS

I remember getting my ass kicked hard in IS3 first week

[foggy grove]

can't relate clueless

i win my first run of is3

[jovial nest]

well its time the cosmos balances that out

by your experiences with IS4 it seems

[ebon musk]

uh any help w this?

[severe venture]

you really need an arts dmg dealer for the line below. sable guys deleted 2 defenders

[gray stone]

ah, for this one you just need to space units out

and yes the saber guys hit really hard, but something like an Ines can stall them until eternity

[gray stone]

Well yeah
But d0 is still brutal for low level skill tree

My first run of IS3 was much smoother compared to IS4 first run where you have 6 unit slot at f3 less despite taking every emergencies

[jovial nest]

so I'm guessing the blind experience is really that overwhelming

[deft badger]

the hell...

[gray stone]

Yes, it's really gimmicky

[tidal sedge]

I'm getting my ass kicked too

[gray stone]

Who knew drafting Greyy Alter can be unironically better than say, Pozy

[tidal sedge]

Just died to Frost Doe and Snow Buck encounter on floor 3

Also is it me or do a bunch of relics scream Use Ho'ol With This

[gray stone]

Caster tickets are whatever

You can draft anything, it will work

But GG fell out of favor this season a bit

[severe venture]

almost died to the dinosaurus. but Typhon stun saves the day

[gray stone]

What a blind experience do to a man

[severe venture]

F. I hate the -40% exp. makes it harder to get units

[gray stone]

The top blue box only has that enemy going there
So you can easily kill them before they go into the check point

[gray stone]

-40% score, not EXP

[severe venture]

score doesn't matter to get units? it feels like it.

[gray stone]

But yeah, without skill tree you are stuck with 6 squad size for 3 floors

[gray stone]

Score is the battlepass thingy. calculated at the end

[severe venture]

Oh yeah, i got confused

[gray stone]

Skill tree gives you like 2 squad size, so that's pretty impactful

Going into f3 boss with 6 units is usually

[severe venture]

OH YEAH, i forgot this is a thing

[gray stone]

iirc you don't need all 3 path clear to ge to the next map

so that's a fun tech

[deft badger]

whats the boss like?

[limpid siren]

[gray stone]

The illusion of choice

[limpid siren]

would you like to:

• die, or
• die

[gray stone]

oh yeah, that one requires an early anti-air

[limpid siren]

greyy bad because he can't look up

[gray stone]

Krooster underrated IS4 me thinks

[limpid siren]

let's ignore that i used a foldartal to change one of them to something that didn't suck

[gray stone]

Oh so you do have a choice afterall

[limpid siren]

i like the foldartal system so far

hope economy right now is absolutely fucked for me

i hit F4 with like 5 units

[gray stone]

Isn't this normal without skill tree buffs

[limpid siren]

yea

i have to keep reminding myself that IS2 and IS3 were about this vicious before skill tree buffs too

[gray stone]

This emergency is really ass for 5 stars I think

[limpid siren]

i did okay on that stage when i got it

[gray stone]

But the emergency is another thing

2 big cubes spawning

[limpid siren]

emergencies in general feel a lot more punishing

[gray stone]

Yeah, you can't farm them anymore

[severe venture]

I nope out every time I see those mechs

[limpid siren]

but also rn i'm just picking whatever i feel like

[weak gazelle]

interesting
wanna play it but cant login game now

[limpid siren]

so my teams are also likely very underpowered

[gray stone]

This is the new Out Of Control, have fun

Expansion stage but ehh

I didn't expect it to be that hard

[limpid siren]

can't be ooc if it's expac

[gray stone]

What would it be then

[jovial nest]

just the new hotness

[limpid siren]

i don't know yet

[jovial nest]

call it based on what the stage is called

[weak gazelle]

are most dangerous enemy weight below 3?

[limpid siren]

so far it feels like IS4 favours a well rounded team much more than IS3

IS3 was a lot of "can you kill elites?" and "can you handle knockdown duties?"

then add the pressure of whatever ending you pick

[weak gazelle]

thinking if this aoe heavy requirement might as well will use mint

[gray stone]

IS4 feels like a walk in the park for the first 3 floors then they kick you in the nuts

[limpid siren]

well

right now i'm just getting kicked in the nuts

tbh

[gray stone]

Floor 4 was a difficulty spike

[weak gazelle]

interesting, so F4 huh

[gray stone]

Yeah, 4 and 5

but you also have more fordatals so

[weak gazelle]

F5 not difficult is basic game design failure

[severe venture]

I love this stage. so easy and relaxing

[gray stone]

This one is a drafting check for a lot of starters

If no AOE you get fucked in higher Ds

[limpid siren]

i'll reserve judgment until i finally win a run and start pushing higher

but yea, openers with no aoe and/or block count feel bad

[gray stone]

Fang also feels very bad

[weak gazelle]

i see
yeah better test this first for few times and see how it work in general idea

[gray stone]

She dies a lot more than my first few IS3 runs

[limpid siren]

rn my preferred opener is poncirus/lightningbearer

but i'm trying not to make any conclusions yet

pluma/mayer probably also clears f1/2

[weak gazelle]

ponci huh... interesting
she able to reach unlimited duration form in a single map?

[gray stone]

No, it's something Shu talked about before

[limpid siren]

she can if you're not too aggressive on her deployment

but

[gray stone]

Ponci's being rather balanced in both offensive and defensive feels less bad than other vanguards

[limpid siren]

i'm not playing d15

[weak gazelle]

ohh right we talk about above d11
i keep forgetting about that

[limpid siren]

having fewer units available to deploy makes poncirus' shit dp gen feel less shit

[gray stone]

So far, crowd control is king
And Greyy happens to be the most consistent at that job

[weak gazelle]

ohh cc is the important clue
i see, thanks

[gray stone]

It's weird seeing something that couldn't be more favorable for Decel Binders yet their kit is mostly single target

[limpid siren]

cc and/or aoe

the aoe is actually the important part

[weak gazelle]

so i can see the use of aosta

[gray stone]

Go cook my king

[limpid siren]

30 dp

but yea

check it out

i'll try santalla post-mod

[weak gazelle]

it just aosta mastery gain are so ass that it disgusting to see

[gray stone]

You know
I haven't built Varlaqvin in CN

[quick pecan]

yeah idk how you make it through early floors without either a blocker + cc or blocker + aoe

[gray stone]

May try her out

[gray stone]

Texalter is dead 🎊

E1 Texalter leaks very easily to the Mon Hun stage

[weak gazelle]

we got skill tree too
this will change opener

[quick pecan]

i wonder how ela open will be once her kit is fully out numbers / cycle wise

since she has slow and her traps are 3x3

[gray stone]

Literally shit

1 block 🤮

[quick pecan]

putting her on a melee tile would be very funny

[gray stone]

1 block 🤮

[quick pecan]

the reedic open feels nice but not having immediate greyy alt e2 feels ass

[gray stone]

Why

Isn't the squad Sniper Medic?

[quick pecan]

i havent unlocked it yet

[severe venture]

This is pretty good if no cd

[deft badger]

ok and the hell is this map

[gray stone]

Break the Ice

[severe venture]

Any tips? This boss deleted me last time

[gray stone]

Who do you have
Range is king against this boss

I think you may find the initial dog rush more overwhelming

[severe venture]

I guess i'm done

[gray stone]

Not great
Just drop Yato onto the boss off cooldown

Use S3 or she dies tbh

[ebon musk]

what's the starting squad for is4 sposed to be

[severe venture]

yeah, yato s3 did the work. the other side kinda fell over

[deft badger]

done, was to lazy to w8 for a answer but it wasn't that hard ty anyway

[quick pecan]

this was good until i was too late to activate reed skill

so nice of them to spare orchid

[gray stone]

Bestie why wouldn't you activate Reed skill

Is this a blind run

[quick pecan]

bestie i was 1sp off

yes

blind

lol

[limpid siren]

any worsties in chat

[quick pecan]

you

you’re my worstie

i am your worstie when i use fire whistle s1

[limpid siren]

brain blasting you

but yea that stage looks rough

[quick pecan]

it’s different map same flavor tbh

speedy enemies want slow or kill fast

[gray stone]

You haven't seen the drone map

[limpid siren]

me when i want aoe but i also want block count but i also want a bit of healing but i also want some anti-air but i also want some dps but i also want some aoe...

[gray stone]

IS2 drone map dialed up to 11

[quick pecan]

i cant believe even is4 wasn’t enough to revive decel binder

they’ve been reduced to orchid start

[limpid siren]

hard to make any predictions rn with my skill tree amounting to +3% max hp

[gray stone]

They received the memo to bring back Sluggish
They also want AoE into the mix but forget that Decel Binders are mostly ST

[quick pecan]

it is time for istina s2 with three sp towers

[limpid siren]

known best 5* decel binder istina

[quick pecan]

and yeah i think

kermit was right

unironically greyy s1 angle

[limpid siren]

depends on stage

[gray stone]

What a funny looking map, I wonder what will happen here

[limpid siren]

at e1 it's an easy s1 pick for 99% of stages

but at that point mastery is moot

[quick pecan]

i feel trolled against specific enemies who immediately nyoom like three tiles right after greyy just threw his balls everywhere

[limpid siren]

at e2 you have more freedom to choose so i still don't buy the s1m3 angle yet

[gray stone]

I buy the angle instead

[limpid siren]

buy this

anyway

none of my opinions count yet

because d0 and no skill tree completion

[gray stone]

d12 for brain damage

[quick pecan]

greyy balls 🥵

sorry had to remind people i’m a khant alt

[limpid siren]

right now i get randomly clapped because my hope econ sucks balls because my tree isn't complete, and because idk the stages yet

so i'm into it

[quick pecan]

i still have is2 and is3 sitting at like lvl 80

i should really finish those lol

[limpid siren]

meh

[quick pecan]

i am just not a huge is gamer

[limpid siren]

at that point you have the perk trees complete

which is all that really matters for meta progression

[gray stone]

meh

grab the skin and get out

unless you like the background