strategy

[limpid siren]

fuck you're so real for that

[sly pivot]

🧎‍♂️

[quick pecan]

my oriron farm is 4 5* low op 💪

[limpid siren]

if my croissant pulls went better i could have had the goat

[full finch]

croissant goes hard

who cares about res with 60% dodge change

[limpid siren]

mine is only p4

[halcyon adder]

🥐 pulls?

[limpid siren]

fraudulent croissant

only 54%

[full finch]

unusuable

[limpid siren]

utter garbage

[quick pecan]

damn

no 60% dodge

might as well uninstall

[full finch]

fuck I leaked

because of not paying attention

[sly pivot]

saw a clear with croissant and shu and they weirdly cycle perfectly

[full finch]

[quick pecan]

croissant will reach final form when global gets kfc skin (never)

[sly pivot]

and allows them to perma tank steamknight

kinda funny

[limpid siren]

croissant s2?

or s1

[sly pivot]

s1

[limpid siren]

[quick pecan]

also god

[limpid siren]

makes sense after reading steam knight

[quick pecan]

where is the bison skin

they teased us so hard during eyjalt event

[limpid siren]

real

[quick pecan]

fuckers

[sly pivot]

the clear was really dumb

h11 4 has been beaten to death

really is joever

[limpid siren]

ngl my favourite croissant clear is duo with vendela on 6-5 cm

shit made me laugh

bone throwers no longer kill themselves?

let's fix that

[sly pivot]

okay i had to think hard about who vendela is

[limpid siren]

[sly pivot]

finally rmb its the new purifier archetype

[limpid siren]

yea

taunt + counter gifter

[quick pecan]

i need to raise hibis alt

[limpid siren]

on paper she sounds horrible to me

but

it is funny

[quick pecan]

her module kinda cookin

[turbid badge]

makeshift hoshi

[limpid siren]

they got modules?

[sly pivot]

its niche

[turbid badge]

[quick pecan]

in cn ya

[limpid siren]

niche is a nonsense word, khant

[sly pivot]

🥹

[quick pecan]

hibis with pots and module is 22% arts fragile now

[turbid badge]

i didn't even know qani had arts fragile

lol

[sly pivot]

qani is aight

🥹

[full finch]

surely

[sly pivot]

decent burst

unironically

[limpid siren]

neat

[sly pivot]

this male 5* player uses him alot

[limpid siren]

not like u people have that many options

[sly pivot]

its leon qani combo

yea fair

[quick pecan]

qani skin

is so good

that smile melts my heart

[sly pivot]

ure crazy but i respect crazy people

[limpid siren]

no you don't

[sly pivot]

okay i dont

[limpid siren]

😤

but yea

[quick pecan]

qani is also lupo

[sly pivot]

qanni e2 is still too goated

sorry

[quick pecan]

ngl i thought he was bear when i first saw his e1 lmfaoo

[limpid siren]

qaniapalaat looked pretty decent to me, but idk the damage is kinda not there if you include the bigger pool

[turbid badge]

whos qania

[limpid siren]

i remember pitting him against like glaucus and iris

red cert 5* core caster

has levitate

functionally fairly similar to glaucus

[full finch]

2nd try

[sly pivot]

nah his personal dmg is not good

u pair him with other bozos to make him usable

[full finch]

current worry is whether eblana will cause penans to leak

[sly pivot]

kinda a half unit

[foggy grove]

that's where leon come in

[limpid siren]

yea

i can see the angle

it's just like

[quick pecan]

seeing a core caster not get the 10res ignore mod also feels sad

but yeah not like he’s full dmg focus

[limpid siren]

rough to put who's supposed to be a full caster into the shoes of like a supporting role?

[sly pivot]

insane...

[limpid siren]

but i can see him being solid

it's not like his kit is unusable

even minimalist is better than i pretend he is

he just also happens to be ugly as fuck so i don't like saying nice things about him

[sly pivot]

no bro sp mod is goated

[quick pecan]

damn i’m lucky ur not my friend in game

[sly pivot]

so he can spam his levitate

[quick pecan]

i bought minimalist skin and he’s my assistant

[limpid siren]

live your life

[quick pecan]

the skin makes him look better

less nerdy

[sly pivot]

skin is better

[limpid siren]

it does

[sly pivot]

but i didnt get it

😔

poor man

[quick pecan]

u flopped

[sly pivot]

sorry 😭

[limpid siren]

remember when khant was good at the game?

[quick pecan]

local maleknights player -10 points on clear for no drip

[sly pivot]

the hoederer funds...

[limpid siren]

btw should i still module corroserum for you

or did you do that

[sly pivot]

i have mod1

and frankly

[spark sinew]

i always had that feeling about you
good to know i was right

[sly pivot]

i dont see myself using him ever

[limpid siren]

which skill did you master?

lol

[sly pivot]

s2

[quick pecan]

ur mid

[limpid siren]

nice i can skip him then

[sly pivot]

i think s1 was the angle

tbhtbh

[limpid siren]

yea i uh

no

corro damage is butts man

[quick pecan]

my minimalist isn’t even built

he is on back burner

[spark sinew]

?

[sly pivot]

actually he starts 0/sp for s1 thats why i didnt start m3

joever

[limpid siren]

idk is it even an sp thing

his damage is just

[quick pecan]

i will probably still do masteries on minimalist and module even though i am duty bound to call eyja s2 shit in #help

[limpid siren]

[sly pivot]

i was trying to helidrop him

[limpid siren]

the fabled 30s helidrop

[sly pivot]

saw s1 had bigger numbers but no sp

[full finch]

minimalist only has S2
eyja has S3

[sly pivot]

so i kinda dropped the idea

[limpid siren]

i think it's fine to not follow the advice you give

[full finch]

different people

can't compare

[limpid siren]

usually it just means you realise you do dumb shit

[quick pecan]

well ye i’m not reccing minimalist

[full finch]

[quick pecan]

i always recc 🪨🪨

[limpid siren]

and have the awareness to realise your personal experience doesn't apply to everyone, especially noobs

[quick pecan]

he is simply m*le

[sly pivot]

🙉

[limpid siren]

oh khant

btw

have you tried typhon yet?

is she good?

[sly pivot]

i tried the s stages

[limpid siren]

[sly pivot]

actually a horn moment for me

[cosmic dagger]

I heard khant loves typhon

[sly pivot]

so really dissapointed

[limpid siren]

yea i thought he was hyped

[quick pecan]

i heard khant pulled p6

[limpid siren]

horn stocks kinda fell off didn't they

[sly pivot]

she felt like another horn

[cosmic dagger]

That's crazy

[sly pivot]

i kinda get the vibe she has going tho

afk machine

[cosmic dagger]

Horn fell off hard after cc9 and initial is3

[limpid siren]

flashback to me saying ex foedere would be horn tier, and then module rockets him way higher

[cosmic dagger]

Very sad times

[limpid siren]

but idk

[quick pecan]

i still like horn bc her cycle is fast relative to a lot of other burst skills

[limpid siren]

i like fortress defenders

[sly pivot]

atleast typhon s2 is more applicable than horn s1

[quick pecan]

but yeah she’s not exactly the uhh

top choice

[limpid siren]

i can see the relation too because muh funny range

[full finch]

uh oh

penans in shambles

[quick pecan]

unfortunately a woman named d*gen said her burst cycle shall be faster

[full finch]

can't kill funny hitcount enemies

well time to revise strategies

or

just replace bagpipe with ines

problem solved

[sly pivot]

ines without bag

ure mad

insane

thats like milk without oreos

actually

i need to play bagless ines

i really hate it tho but i cant let that stop me

i can slot in someone more useful if i can master it

🛐

[quick pecan]

reedic anni made me realize fire whistle is gamer

that dot kinda poggin

[sly pivot]

the dot goes crazy 🗣️

[turbid badge]

the ashlock go crazier

jk i broke so no fw rasied

sashlock still worked fine

[quick pecan]

i need lmd + higher tier grindstones to e2 my fire whistle

i borrowed zenith’s

[limpid siren]

firewhistle is definitely a bit better than my first guess yea

i'm still upset she can't stack the dots

[sly pivot]

i watched all the 5* defender clears and she and ashlock are mvp 🗣️

[full finch]

yeah

firewhistle was a big disappointment

[limpid siren]

yea they're both pretty good

[sly pivot]

firewhistlr isnt useless when she blocks

[quick pecan]

my firewhistle is also max pot bc of my chong pulls

and i don’t have ashlock

[sly pivot]

seen so many clears where they just pile enemies on her

poor mans horn s2

[full finch]

horn S2 goes hard ngl

[limpid siren]

still upset i only got p2 ashlock

[sly pivot]

i think its her best skill tbh

[limpid siren]

but her mod goes hard

[sly pivot]

maybe i would use horn more if i s2m3

or not

[full finch]

S2 gets the most out of horn overall

not just chillin 5 tiles away

[sly pivot]

whats mod

[full finch]

uh

[sly pivot]

oh prolly dmg scale on blocked enemies

[full finch]

+100 ATK

[sly pivot]

no shot its unblocked

yea its blocked

free 110%

[quick pecan]

atk% to defender talent also buffed

[full finch]

+100 ATK

[quick pecan]

with pots it’s 31%

it cooks

[full finch]

horn S1 goes hard

[sly pivot]

not rlly

[full finch]

big splash

[sly pivot]

i rather mizuki s1

[full finch]

miz range kind weird

he do slap tho

[limpid siren]

the mod trait is atk_scale vs blocked isn't it?

[sly pivot]

oh yea

its atk

oops

[quick pecan]

horn s1 post module is like 4.5k phys

[sly pivot]

im not good w these math things

i just know 110%

[limpid siren]

vs 0 def it's the same thing

🫡

[sly pivot]

atkscale is before defense and dmgscale is after?

[limpid siren]

yea

[sly pivot]

ill do my studies

🤓

[limpid siren]

tl;dr

base atk 
-> ramped by atk% (stacks additively) 
-> add Inspire 
-> ramped by atk_scale (stacks multiplicatively) 
-> def/res check 
-> ramped by dmg_scale (stacks multiplicatively)```

[full finch]

wtf swamp rovers have 10 morbillion def

[quick pecan]

they’re fat ya

[full finch]

even my gav can't kill them offskill

[quick pecan]

need arts or high hit phys

[sly pivot]

dmg scale is usually ampers right?

[full finch]

max gav with talent is 1220 x1.15

[sly pivot]

saria s3 suzu s3

[limpid siren]

yes

dmg_scale is typically gifted

atk_scale is always innate to an operator

it's generally not a good thing to see dmg_scale innate to an operator

[full finch]

wtf gav can't kill fat spawns without skill

cringe

[limpid siren]

because it is categorically worse than atk_scale

[sly pivot]

yea i assume u wanna buff ur dmg before the def/res calcs

[full finch]

and she leaked

bruh

[sly pivot]

bro u got this

time ur gavial better

[full finch]

ines

[sly pivot]

ines is a fraud

replace her with puzzle

[full finch]

skill issue

[weak gazelle]

uhh
how much hibi alter mod gave her arts fragility?

[sly pivot]

20 (22)

[full finch]

oh

fuck

[sly pivot]

so 8% more

😋

[full finch]

penans rapidly dying

[sly pivot]

winnable

u can clutch

[full finch]

I died

L

[sly pivot]

ure a bigger man than me for not copying an afk guide

[full finch]

I looked at one but realized it was cringe for using shining and ng

and that was after I did the 5op with mlynar and gav S3

which is equally cringe

[sly pivot]

dont u cycle gavial mlynar

that takes like no brain

u just click it off cd

[full finch]

forgor gav S2 actually isn't enough

it was S3

[sly pivot]

damn

[full finch]

ashy marsh is actually fucking nuts

[turbid badge]

damn

khant

cooked

nothung yet

[weak gazelle]

buff more than half from initial huh
that quite good

[sly pivot]

ashy march is aight

eblana does nothing

[quick pecan]

it’s rough yeah

[sly pivot]

she got nerfed to the ground

[full finch]

I'm trying to do it by abusing the fuck out of gav S3

[quick pecan]

i didnt use a wandering and malded

[full finch]

because funni 5 block

[sly pivot]

the map just spams 20 elites

every wave

[full finch]

[sly pivot]

chestnut was enough

🚬

[full finch]

the left side becomes nutty at 300

everything spawns at once

[sly pivot]

i tried no vg malenights and i quit because i needed chungus rng at the end

[quick pecan]

i only feel the pressure really bad when eblana swaps to second phase

[sly pivot]

and each attempt is like 10 mins

[full finch]

you were probably using more than 4/5 units

[sly pivot]

and managing tequila mlynar cycles was bad enough

[quick pecan]

yeah but i did 5* only

[full finch]

oh wait

what about kal

[sly pivot]

chungus cooks here

[full finch]

I have max kal

[quick pecan]

yeah chong cooks

[full finch]

surely that's enough

[sly pivot]

chungus skalter

and thats half the map

unironically

[sly pivot]

the other half is dealing with elites

[full finch]

kal2 ines chong skalter

boring

[quick pecan]

oh shit

shu sweep

[sly pivot]

fuck shu

exalter is 21

chungus is 10

fuck thats 50

no vg record

zzz

[full finch]

they had wild mane and texas in the party

[sly pivot]

no pots

damn they dont even need talent pots

chungus mod is broken

chungus mod helps alot with this

u need good rng without it

[turbid badge]

yes

khant get the pot 6

chongus borrow

[sly pivot]

no

[foggy grove]

i forgot i need to let civ goes to the blue box for stage to complete

[turbid badge]

noboi

noobi

[sly pivot]

i tried p6 chungus

[turbid badge]

o

[sly pivot]

and still need mod

or like

i wasnt critting hard enough ig

surely if i crit more i win

idk tho

seems like a stretch

prolly need more s3 hits than applying the fragile

[quick pecan]

the low op is pot gated iirc

so yeah module > pots

[sly pivot]

no its dp pot gated since they brough texas and wildmane

yea

module...

🥹

[quick pecan]

i hate his module though

[sly pivot]

its aight

[quick pecan]

the second one will probably be better

[turbid badge]

its aight

its a level one module

[quick pecan]

but i want chong with > 700 atk NOW

[sly pivot]

if he doesnt kill he gets 1

if he kills he gets more

[quick pecan]

yeah but 1sp doesn’t do anything for the skill cycle

[sly pivot]

3 to 4

nah bro

4

[quick pecan]

once s3 is infinite

[sly pivot]

is insane

[turbid badge]

just add shu

[quick pecan]

oh you mean if he kills

[turbid badge]

[sly pivot]

bro this mf is killing every jobber

[quick pecan]

yeah the kill matters for him to to chain off mobs to hit elites more

but that’s rlly the only notable thing

[sly pivot]

thats the point

hes stronger at mowing shit down

[quick pecan]

it just feels too conditional

i’ll just cope second mod

[turbid badge]

is it more rng

one

[sly pivot]

and thats why this anni was good w the mod

[tall cairn]

Can deepcolor be taken off?

[turbid badge]

ofc lol

me deep and humus e2

[tall cairn]

Great

[sly pivot]

cause all the elites this anni are bozos

[turbid badge]

[full finch]

lemme try this

[sly pivot]

that shred to chungus

[tall cairn]

Time for Kirara.

[full finch]

flametail can help kal clear spawns

[limpid siren]

hi killua

[sly pivot]

i think even unbuffed chungus still deal a decent chunk to a tractor

so if he gets the eventual kill he gets to squeeze in another s3 for the next wave

well could be better

if it was 2sp on non kill would be great

[quick pecan]

chong module just meant to shill shu sui buff smh

robbing us of the 1 extra sp we should have had

[full finch]

wait for 2nd chong mod

[turbid badge]

lol

[quick pecan]

.25sp/s is honestly pretty shitty for the req idk why ppl want it so bad

is it bc it’s universal or what

[turbid badge]

is it aura skill?

[sly pivot]

it fixed his kill sp being odd tho which is great imo

[quick pecan]

not aura so stacks w ptilo

[turbid badge]

oh

[full finch]

it's +1 sp on kill

kinda garbage

[spark sinew]

did you also miss the other part of it

[sly pivot]

so he takes 2 hit after a kill

[quick pecan]

the other part that’s

12% atk

that’s also whatever

the rest are non sui related

like cumulatively yes her buffs are good

[sly pivot]

380% x 2 being squeezed out one attakc earlier is good

[quick pecan]

s3 + full talent is good

[full finch]

just wait for aspd module

[sly pivot]

i dont think there are many things that live to chungus s3

[quick pecan]

but getting that last bit for adding a ling + dusk everywhere just feels soo

[sly pivot]

and if u pit him against stuff that do

[turbid badge]

dusk is dalao

[sly pivot]

skill issue

[turbid badge]

i like using her

[sly pivot]

it strengthens his position as a laner and thats good enough tbh

[limpid siren]

known laneholder chongyue

[turbid badge]

does shu need to be deployed

for talent

?

[sly pivot]

real...

chungus is my cornerstone

[limpid siren]

take me back to 2022 ako that got baited by the "what is a laneholder" question

[compact shoal]

Line up issue yeah, will get better when we got more better sui, even more if they aslo have their own sui buff

[limpid siren]

actually khant

[quick pecan]

some parts have on deploy req ye

[latent monolith]

chadyue

[sly pivot]

the not kill sp being 1 is bad but it isnt as bad as ppl make it out to be

[limpid siren]

cornerstone refers to specifically 4 operators

[turbid badge]

yea

[latent monolith]

Yeah realistically chongyue is killing someone

[sly pivot]

chungus is always in a lane full of bozos

[full finch]

idk maybe my chong is defective

he never felt effective

[quick pecan]

the only reason i’m fine with chong module being so lukewarm

is he was already good

[sly pivot]

he evaporates any bozo

that has like less than 1k def

tophats in ch12?

[turbid badge]

his scaling so yummy

[sly pivot]

thats like 3 s3 procs

[full finch]

3 S3s is like 15s

[sly pivot]

no he does double hit on s3 infinite

[full finch]

yeah I know

[latent monolith]

It's like 7 seconds

[sly pivot]

and he has brawler atkspd

[latent monolith]

on x1

[quick pecan]

that’s definitely not 15s

[full finch]

oh wait he has .78s interval

so it's more like 10s

[latent monolith]

actually more like 9

[compact shoal]

I am ok with chong mod, most people dont even build coz the long wid up for s3. The module itself cut 4 sp, which can be better but decent enough. The mod level 1 effect tho..m

[turbid badge]

lol

[full finch]

S3 takes at least a full second delay

super cringe

[sly pivot]

nah its really fast

[full finch]

it's really not

it's absolutely slower than his attack interval

[sly pivot]

bro stop underrating him he destroys marsh swamp

[full finch]

yeah he does

[quick pecan]

he do true

[sly pivot]

and ur gavial isnt doing shit

so maybe hes better than u let on

[quick pecan]

khant cooked

[sly pivot]

i get ur experience with him wasnt good but his main point is his fast nukes

[full finch]

I just don't wanna be a cringe copier

I do that enough as it is

[sly pivot]

bro admitting hes good isnt being a copier

[full finch]

he is good

I just don't like him

[sullen rover]

how do i beat this stage

[full finch]

the longer animation on his S3 feels super off to me

[jovial nest]

Just dying from Typhon

[spark sinew]

what diff

[sly pivot]

never felt it as a problem

[sullen rover]

d15

[sly pivot]

ive used him on h12 4

[jovial nest]

Can't wait for her S2M3, 100 Trust, Mod3

[sly pivot]

and he lanes everything there

[tall cairn]

What’s up with that E0 Mlynar.

[full finch]

the main issue is that he has to kill stuff to cycle right

and he doesn't

[sullen rover]

i heard he was meta so i drafted him

[spark sinew]

leak top side probably

[jovial nest]

but he ain't raised

you have to raise him yourself

[sly pivot]

if he doesnt hes up against smth that has more than 1k def

[jovial nest]

only temporaries get the advantage of you not needing to raise them

[spark sinew]

it's like 7? leaks

idr

[sly pivot]

idk if 1k def is his threshold tho

[sullen rover]

if its 7 ill make it out with 1 hp

[sly pivot]

its 380% x 2 and he got like 50% amp

[tall cairn]

Yeah looks like leak top.

[sly pivot]

maybe 30

[full finch]

I mean he claps with skalter but

[sly pivot]

no shot its 50

[full finch]

by himself is anemic

[spark sinew]

you can kill topside agent maybe

[sullen rover]

should win other stages if i get to promote someone

[tall cairn]

E0 Teq is better, thus Teq is meta.

[spark sinew]

but strikers will f you up

[tall cairn]

[sullen rover]

my teq is e2 tho

[sly pivot]

hmm

ive used him for defense crushers

idk

[latent monolith]

Modless CY is 2325 dph x2 xtalent amp

at E2 60

[sly pivot]

yea

[tall cairn]

[sly pivot]

i knew it

over 1k def

i knew i was underrating him

[full finch]

I mean, my comparison is ntrk

[sly pivot]

if the mf has over 2k def use smth else

[latent monolith]

modded is about 2500

[sly pivot]

ntrk is single

chungus is aoe

[full finch]

fuck I skill issued again

[full finch]

ultra cringe default splash

[sullen rover]

why the hell does e0 mlynar do more dmg than ash

[sly pivot]

just letting it splash is enough cause he gets to pick up kills

[latent anvil]

xollistrea senpai what ya doing

[sly pivot]

and fuels his s3

[sly pivot]

him doing default splash >>> no splash

[spark sinew]

because it's ash

[full finch]

yeah but default splash is still mid asf

[sly pivot]

yea but ntrk is st

[spark sinew]

that said mly s1 is so ass i'm confused why he does damage

[sly pivot]

so shes worse

🫡

[spark sinew]

i once took it accidentally

[sullen rover]

i won thx guys

[spark sinew]

ez

[limpid siren]

that's why he's the goat

[tall cairn]

[sly pivot]

no problem

i helped

[full finch]

[spark sinew]

typical content creator

taking credit

[sly pivot]

bro use ntrk

zzz

shes good

she can lane

[full finch]

probably would work ngl

[latent anvil]

ntrk is so op

[sly pivot]

she kills fast enough splash isnt needed

🚬

[limpid siren]

what if i killed you that fast

[full finch]

for a mixed lane it's enough
ashy marsh has abnormal density

[sly pivot]

damn i thought splash was mid

🤨

[full finch]

it is

at least, default splash is

[cosmic dagger]

but i heard aoe is better than single target

[sly pivot]

no its not

[latent anvil]

are you doing a challenge just grab mizuki or something

[sly pivot]

u just need to kill faster

[cosmic dagger]

counterpoint: exec is aoe

ratio

[sly pivot]

for it to be aoe

[full finch]

who holds left in ashy marsh

[latent anvil]

horn

[full finch]

kal and penans both leak

[latent anvil]

oh

[latent monolith]

men stay winning

[cosmic dagger]

yessir

[latent monolith]

I used horn CY gavial ifrit as my damage for the stage

[sly pivot]

chungus can hold both lanes 🤫 but maybe the s3 animation is too long

[full finch]

I'm not using chongyue

[latent monolith]

Yeah chong can deal with both if someone else is tanking

[full finch]

[sly pivot]

im just saying ur arguments are bad

[latent monolith]

I had saria tank left gavial tank right

[latent anvil]

just do horn+1

[full finch]

this is 4op

[latent anvil]

but i asked if youw ere doing challenge

[full finch]

I'm just optimizing

I can go back to 5op if it doesn't work out

[latent monolith]

the funny shu clear

[sly pivot]

exalter my man...

[full finch]

hmm

what about mudrock S3

[turbid badge]

why didnt u try him b4

true aoe

op

[sly pivot]

borken

[latent anvil]

ough teta pro here

[turbid badge]

he kinda frail

[sly pivot]

i bet u can use saria instead

[turbid badge]

🥺

[sly pivot]

shu is a fraud

[turbid badge]

yes

[latent monolith]

There's a kal ines cy skalter clear

[sly pivot]

cy clear

🚮

[turbid badge]

lol

the swith up!

[sly pivot]

chongyue underperforms

imo

okay sorry

im playing

im taking it too far

[quick pecan]

the reality is chong is in like almost all the low ops

[sly pivot]

sorry for being nasty

[quick pecan]

he literally provides everything the map wants

[sly pivot]

didnt mean it

[quick pecan]

[sly pivot]

i just like chungus

[full finch]

worth a shot ig

[sly pivot]

sail mod for the block

[latent anvil]

[full finch]

not worried about the block rn

[sly pivot]

okay wtf is sail doing

[full finch]

DP

and heal mudrock

[sly pivot]

oh yea

this isnt no vg

[full finch]

not with mudrock

[sly pivot]

hmm mudrock dies?

thats fucjed

i didnt expect that

[full finch]

that's what imma find out

[sly pivot]

oh prolly from eblana

[full finch]

cause penans dies

during the wave of 300

[sly pivot]

its the casters + eblana prob

shits nasty

[full finch]

.

large sword mfs

[sly pivot]

oh the fireswords

LOl

[turbid badge]

art damage moment no?

[full finch]

burn procs

[turbid badge]

no res

[sly pivot]

how much dp is eyjalter

15?

[full finch]

16

[sullen rover]

14 for non poor people

[sly pivot]

nah its cooked

too expensive

i thought u can 4 op no vg

and not use mud

chestnut outheals tho

for some reason

[full finch]

ah fuck

I think I have to use S3

startup is ass

[sly pivot]

also blaze?

im curious

[full finch]

no blez

[sly pivot]

damn

maybe its time to ditch gavial and use chalter or smth

nah cycle is ass

[turbid badge]

chalter cycle for this map really

[sly pivot]

u need saria

[full finch]

surely this will be fine

[turbid badge]

surely

[sly pivot]

but if shes main dps u need to cycle for every wave

well

[full finch]

on gav side the issues are uh

[sly pivot]

hmmge

[full finch]

bog rovers and fat bois

and eblana but I haven't gotten there yet

[sly pivot]

damn u want 2 blockers and a dps and vg

its so tight

[full finch]

yeah

[turbid badge]

tight

[sly pivot]

vg can be 2 roles compressed

[full finch]

record is kal chong ines skalter

[sly pivot]

like sail is medic + vg

[full finch]

can't S2

[sly pivot]

s3?

[full finch]

no startup

S3 works

[sly pivot]

wait s1?

oh

[full finch]

my S2 is rank7 tho

[sly pivot]

damn thats weird s2 would open

waow

[full finch]

I'd need to borrow

sail S2 is such a rare skill to use

[sly pivot]

maybe use muelsys

clueless

[full finch]

maybe

ling record uses vigil

[sly pivot]

nah ure copying a melee

melee is pretty cooked

[full finch]

melee good

ranged bad

[sly pivot]

surely it lives the firesword

by stunning it

[full finch]

at least gav + saria cooks

just don't skill issue

[sly pivot]

ure cooked for timing gavial s3

[full finch]

just press button when leak

[sly pivot]

it has like 50 sp

i think

and 30s

[full finch]

nah it's 35

[sly pivot]

wtf

[full finch]

and 25s iirc

[sly pivot]

man s2 is fucked up

s2 has weird cycle

not s3

s3 is traditional

[full finch]

S3 actually cooks in this map

because of the weirdly high pressure

well gav is just cracked af in general

here come the fat bois

[sly pivot]

ngl hoederer would cook this map

😈

[full finch]

hmm

healing tho

[latent anvil]

hoeder

[sly pivot]

saria

[full finch]

not enough

[sly pivot]

nah its enough

[quick pecan]

eblana would lose to hoederer because her boobs are smaller 💪

[sly pivot]

hoe s3 sustain is stupid

[sly pivot]

hoederer solos eblana

😭😭😭

[quick pecan]

real

[sly pivot]

unironically

cause he just sits there and eat all her hits and kill her eventually

[full finch]

wtf this clear is fucked

pls don't work

[turbid badge]

lol

[limpid siren]

Hoederer good unit?

Is he typhon tier khant?

[sly pivot]

yessir

nah

i wished

hoe is like lee tier

maybe higher for maleknights

[quick pecan]

he has more potential based on what crusher module does

but he’s very middle of the pack

[sly pivot]

yea

for sure

[quick pecan]

nice for dph

[sly pivot]

offbrand surtr

[full finch]

this shit is so fucking cursed

[quick pecan]

he just attacks through molasses

esp on s2

but the golem stall is funny

[sly pivot]

plop him activate s3 and retreat him when hes done

s2 is his weakest skill

funnily enough

[shell arch]

[sly pivot]

well might not be in cc

[latent anvil]

wow amigo pro

[sly pivot]

where u might do stall tactics

but his interval is so stupidly slow on s2

only stalls golem atm

[limpid siren]

my favourite common elite enemy, the golem

[full finch]

it's time to cook

[quick pecan]

it really did not need that long of an atk interval increase

[sly pivot]

its fair

tbh

[quick pecan]

they already made him squisher by adding the +1 block ngl

[sly pivot]

it really does cheese shit

[quick pecan]

though his skills have variety at least

[sly pivot]

i think its a precaution

[full finch]

well

[sly pivot]

so if u want to use s2 u need to pair like 2 units

[full finch]

that ended quickly

[limpid siren]

wtf 6* with a downside...

[quick pecan]

i know right

[sly pivot]

unbelievable...

[quick pecan]

why isn’t he doing 200k every 5s

[jovial nest]

Mlynar can't block or attack on cooldown

[quick pecan]

broken (derogatory)

[full finch]

the fat swordsmen paired with the casters is actually stupid wtf

[sly pivot]

s3 is broken u just havent seen good showcase

[full finch]

[sly pivot]

this mf just eats everything

10k hp with 20 shelter

[full finch]

mudrock too weak

[sly pivot]

and he does 5s stun occasionally

that 5s stun increase his survivability

[quick pecan]

warf s1 with hoederer s3 is pretty funny

[sly pivot]

and he also heals with s3 per hit

the self dot on s3 is nothing cause again

he has 10k hp

[full finch]

wait

what if

[sly pivot]

it gets outhealed by s3

hes designed well

[full finch]

harmonie

[sly pivot]

for such a dumb archetype

and his dph is in 4k to 4.5k if he stuns

[shell arch]

Khant do you use skalter shining to sustain hoederer?

[sly pivot]

i use lumen

🧎‍♂️

[shell arch]

I kneel

[sly pivot]

tbh do u want to sustain him

[shell arch]

🫃

[sly pivot]

hes a helidrop

that u place in some hazardous corner

and he wreck shit

and u retreat

[shell arch]

Thanks

[sly pivot]

weaker surtr s3

but

comparable ish

which is

[shell arch]

Before reading your comment about hoederer, i thought he used s2

[sly pivot]

nahhhh s2 is a trap

[quick pecan]

s2 is if you want him to lanehold

[sly pivot]

nooo

[quick pecan]

which uhh

[sly pivot]

thats even more of a trap

s2 lanehold is horrendous

[quick pecan]

i mean yeah

[sly pivot]

its s1

[quick pecan]

the one novelty is the stun + dph

[sly pivot]

2 offensive strike

and heals 25%

[quick pecan]

but as u mentioned it’s just so slow

[sly pivot]

ud be surprised with the lanes he hold solo with s1

[quick pecan]

i’ll probably m9

bc he’s hot

[sly pivot]

25% max hp heal is crazy

well not crazy enough

[void terrace]

How decent is flagbarer moxule

[quick pecan]

iirc as long as the def isn’t crazy high

[sly pivot]

but it gives a decent chunk

[void terrace]

Module?

[full finch]

bad

[quick pecan]

he even loses to blaze s2 on s2

[void terrace]

The one block feels interesting for executor

[full finch]

wow you get +1 block for 8s

[sly pivot]

yea

[void terrace]

Saileach things

[sly pivot]

s2 is just really bad

[limpid siren]

Flag base module kinda sucks

[full finch]

the upgrades are also garbage

[sly pivot]

+1 block to exalter so he can get 1 more heal proc

synergy

[quick pecan]

but i mean his s2 is available almost immediately so not sure if the comparison accounted for that

[sly pivot]

🤓

[jovial nest]

the ONLY good thing about Flag modules is you can ignore them losing block during skill if there's someone in front of them

[full finch]

tiny, meaningless improvements

[sly pivot]

well thats fair but mtn s2 moment

[quick pecan]

truege

[full finch]

you know what

[quick pecan]

it circles back to dph but your open wouldn’t need high dph ig

[full finch]

lemme try saria gav ptilo

it won't work but I'm curious

[sly pivot]

p sure some gnosis s1 hoederer s2 stall might happen

like

[shell arch]

Only decent if you use them behind operators who atk as equal to their block count

Specifically saga s3 and mountain s2

[quick pecan]

is hoederer s1 meaningful enough damage / sustain for maleknights low ops

i mostly see exalt + zuo

[sly pivot]

well

[shell arch]

For ely myrtle I'd mod1. For sail I'd wait for 2nd mod announcement

[quick pecan]

haven’t heard of hoederer in any

[sly pivot]

we dont talk abt those two

but

its enough sustain

for the not so hard lanes with dog rushes

[limpid siren]

Wtf amigo flag module apologist

[sly pivot]

but if its hard

just s3 bro

s3 lasts 70s

thats 9/10 80% of the map

[quick pecan]

true i guess they can remain in place and he can helidrop where needed

[full finch]

oh perfect

surely this will work

[shell arch]

I mean mod1 is cheap and justifiable if you use them often & bring ops as equal to their block count

3 block saga hits hard

[full finch]

8s

[limpid siren]

Does she clear jobs that 2 block saga doesn’t?

[shell arch]

No

[sly pivot]

i forgor saga doesnt get a block on s3

[latent anvil]

Time to mod6 my saga

[sly pivot]

its flametail

[limpid siren]

Then how is it justifiable

[full finch]

flametail good

8s skill too

[quick pecan]

man these new 6* male guards

[full finch]

perfectly lines up

[quick pecan]

just make sa and thorns look like such shit

[sly pivot]

zuo le is too cooked bro

[quick pecan]

it’s so joever

[sly pivot]

dw lessing balances the field

[shell arch]

Well attacking additional target is good and stuffs, no?

[limpid siren]

It is if it matters

And not if it doesn’t

[sly pivot]

but zuo le

is too nasty

[shell arch]

[limpid siren]

Same trap as sp generation

[sly pivot]

its like seeing a 2nd exalter

[limpid siren]

Feels better than it usually is

[sly pivot]

the shit he does shouldnt be possible

[limpid siren]

I don’t think it’s wrong to give flags their module, power to you

[quick pecan]

i think zuo le is a good lesson in not being scared of 1 block

man is in so many low ops

with s3

[full finch]

the M8-8 CM 2op with exe/saria is wild

[limpid siren]

I think it’s just easy to overstate the potential value of the base mod

[sly pivot]

bro he facetanks anything 😭😭😭😭😭

[full finch]

I didn't think he could heal that much

[sly pivot]

he facetanks fucking steamknight

[full finch]

+180
+180
+180
+180

[shell arch]

True, which is why i always explain saga s3/mountain s2 + only if you bring ely/myrtle often

[quick pecan]

well chong is also a good example of that but i do think mushas have had it harder than brawlers

[shell arch]

I think flametail s3 also benefits from flag module

[sly pivot]

hella was fine imo

🚬

[full finch]

[sly pivot]

maybe give him def ignore

[quick pecan]

key word was

zuo should make hellagur simps mad lol

[sly pivot]

it did

[quick pecan]

the sheer shift in musha approach is crazy

[shell arch]

Oh yeah xolli said it already

[full finch]

hella was always bad

[shell arch]

[limpid siren]

[full finch]

ig people still coped him because of like cc6

[limpid siren]

Khant in shambles

[sly pivot]

🥹

[full finch]

funny hellagur S2 + aak in the left lane