strategy

[dark glade]

yea my spectacular strat still works

it just instead of mytle died

its 4 ppl died

[near folio]

4000 damage screenwipe

[glass monolith]

Good thing we care relax from Ando...
What do you mean Typhon's event boss with Blood Knight like pathing?

[weak gazelle]

4k huh
no wonder he one shot my nearl
still stuck on how to beat andoain
maybe its time to use beeswax

[tidal sedge]

Andoain is slow even if he guns for blue box

If anything I welcome it because HG has been far too overcautious with his pathing

[weak gazelle]

and first limiter, the one that give shelter didnt work much on tn-4 right?

[tidal sedge]

Yeah. Pretty worthless unfortunately.

Unless you want ranged op to soak him?

For 3rd map in tn4 the overlapping portion is just a shrimp lane

Very irrelevant shrimps at that

[weak gazelle]

i see
it just andoain the main problem
my casmiya need atk buff to kill his p1

[glass monolith]

Wave 1 to wave 2 is literally 2 ranged tiles next to Ando spawn (you can still bait his first attacks to melee operators)

[tidal sedge]

Experience module perhaps?

Or maybe Sham/Pram talent

Er, experience limiter*

[weak gazelle]

mine not have module yet so

which one experience limiter again, rdp one?

[tidal sedge]

I said wrong word. I meant the limiter that grants attack buff for kills

[weak gazelle]

i use that and dunno how to deal with p2 yet

[tidal sedge]

You could drop Amiya in 1st map to feed atk buff from that perhaps, then pop s3 for clean kill perhaps

Yeah other phase seems possibly grim

[weak gazelle]

andoain p1 easy
p2 was the problem

[tidal sedge]

Melanite s1 time

[weak gazelle]

thinking use rdp one but... the scan thing cycle really fast

best outcome i can think of rn is leak andoain

[tidal sedge]

I forget that's a thing in this format

[weak gazelle]

but my pride said, what the point leak a boss if play tfn in the first place

[tidal sedge]

Yeah. With all the other buffs it feels needlessly forgiving

[glass monolith]

Dorothy DV original run: Haha, you can't kill me, there is medal for leaking me
Dorothy DV rerun: Cries in red box

[weak gazelle]

malding dodge is another way but uhh... it cost alot of time which i cant afford now

[tidal sedge]

It is funny to see dodge ignore sort of holds relevancy with this

Unfortunately due to scheduling there's no coping Valarqvin either

[weak gazelle]

hahaha
yeah maybe they want to show "its worth to get" kind of thing to players

fuck correction

[tidal sedge]

I'd rather they do this than make new dodge enemies at least

[limpid siren]

[weak gazelle]

oh yeah vala gimmick would help a lot but schedule didnt allow it

[tidal sedge]

Though I'd really rather it not exist at all

[weak gazelle]

haha
dodge enemy is more pain in the ass than DR one yeah
i hope they stop at andoain and no more in the future

[tidal sedge]

They've consistently stuck to damage reduction as of late

[weak gazelle]

hope they stuck there as long as possible

[tidal sedge]

They do have incentive to make dodge ignore not totally irrelevant but TfN rerunning dodge bosses might be their outlet for that

[weak gazelle]

seem like it

i just thought they focus more to try new gimmick in the future and see if that wont fail like freeze or levitate one

[limpid siren]

they have a bunch of loose ends yea, but i think that's fair enough given how they wide the operator roster is getting

it's how they keep power creep in check

[near folio]

This handled the shrimp lane even with all the dodge tiles

It was depressing watching that

[near folio]

I use the vanguard squad

I cycle between Elysium + Sail and Bagpipe for each scan

With the redeployment limiter

Thats how I keep my DP afloat facing Andoain

For phase 2 just need 2 Yato Alter drop on Andoain at around 80 dp and you can kill him

Unless you are doing 5 stars only in which I just say Good luck

Its actually impossible to setup castermiya S3 in phase 2 for ultimate trial

Hes just gonna screenwipe her

Unless you stack bodies

With Scene maybe

[sly pivot]

me when i click beanstalk skill 😱

(4*operator)

[limpid siren]

arkhy does 5* only yea

[near folio]

I didnt know you could leak Andoain

[spark sinew]

it's tn-4 being weird

every other trial you would just lose when leaking the boss

[near folio]

Yeah

[tidal sedge]

Arkhy despises summoners with a great passion so Scene is out as a solution

[near folio]

Yeah, unfortunately andy is just a big stat check

[weak gazelle]

hmm?
appreciate the thought
but i use this squad for tn-4 ultimate

[limpid siren]

wtf no amiya module

[tidal sedge]

Akafuyu, nice

[spark sinew]

no skin akafuyu 🚮

[scarlet mortar]

firewatch with the "screw your mechanics" lmao

[weak gazelle]

hehehe
i forgot amiya already have a module

[near folio]

Why they only give 7 slots for free squad

[weak gazelle]

i go to slumber when she got her skin

[spark sinew]

to incentivize you not using it

[tidal sedge]

Did you mean 9

[near folio]

Oh right 9

[weak gazelle]

akafuyu was nice for agnir and gang
she comfortably deal with boss and the invisible ranged enemy one
i forgot their name💀

[scarlet mortar]

cleaners

[spark sinew]

i wonder what's greyy for

[near folio]

Damn Akafuyu can solo Agenir?

[limpid siren]

i've heard greyy is a top ten 5*

[weak gazelle]

after agenir lost all his bullet yeah

[spark sinew]

i wouldn't trust you

you're not even a green name

[near folio]

What his bullet do again?

[spark sinew]

unlike some previous 5* player i knew

[limpid siren]

what if i heard it from a greren name

[spark sinew]

perma -def

[weak gazelle]

take your ops def stat

[near folio]

I see

[spark sinew]

should be like 100

[near folio]

No wonder my Hellagur with S1M3 max module cant solo him

[spark sinew]

this changes everything

[weak gazelle]

not entirely solo
when he get his bullet back i need another bait (thats why i pick canta s2)

[near folio]

I see

Kinda sad HG gave all these new bosses insane damage potential

Even moduled Hellagur is having trouble keeping up

[weak gazelle]

greyyter for top right ice cream and gelato map 2
he exclusively for that purpose

[near folio]

Im just glad the Zaaro in this event isnt as insane as the one in the EX and S stage

2nd phase used to oneshot any op that wasnt a defender

Even oneshots defenders outside of their skills

[weak gazelle]

idk about zaaro ultimate cause didnt reach that yet
but i always believe 🥐will dodge it

[dark glade]

this event zaaro just kill gelato stop

[spark sinew]

greylter damage felt bit eh vs anything with defense when i tried which is like, duh, but this kinda limited his usage to slow bot to me

[dark glade]

and failed

[limpid siren]

yea, he can do a bit of work with his s2

but largely why i like lightningbearer is that he's a good foil

he's pretty universal, can slot into most teams, and makes your other units look better

[weak gazelle]

yeah pretty universal with deadeye range which is a chef kiss

[spark sinew]

i'm probably just spoiled yeah when i tried 5* arts options i wasn't terribly impressed either

[near folio]

My Greyyter when?

Astgenne is too expensive to use on all stages

[limpid siren]

yea 5* arts is a pretty small list

amiya is a weirdo

[near folio]

If only Lava alter's S1 could stack both hits on the same target

[limpid siren]

tbh i quite like purgatory

[near folio]

I would say Rockrock does amazing for a 5 star

Maybe on Tequila level

[limpid siren]

probably not quite that high

i put her in my top ten though

[near folio]

The single target dps is higher

[weak gazelle]

well she is the best 5* arts dmg source available rn

[limpid siren]

i'm not really sure dps is the best metric for teq

it's a bit reductive

[near folio]

Not wrong

[limpid siren]

but yea her dps is good

[near folio]

But its enough to justify bringing her most stages

Since her uptime is good

[limpid siren]

hm

it's 50%

[near folio]

Just have to plan ahead for the downtimes

[limpid siren]

with a long cycle

but sure i think she's perfectly fine to run in a general squad

[near folio]

Its crazy to think how welfareknights will soon be better than 5stars only

[limpid siren]

[near folio]

Being able to combine Silence alter and Lessing for a decent boss killing setup

Really looking forward to what Lessing brings to the table

[sly pivot]

lessing is awesome!

[limpid siren]

[sly pivot]

he can tank talulah fireballs

kinda

[spark sinew]

raise lessing for ra2

[rocky token]

Guys, I have 2 of these 'choose a 5 star' cards. Which 2 should I go for?

[waxen swan]

Lapp and warf probably

[rocky token]

Thank you!

[near folio]

What happens when you shove half the 5 stars into the kernel pool

💀

[polar crane]

lappland

[rocky token]

Lappland both the times? Or should I select a new one as well?

[polar crane]

pick lapluma on the other one

pick la pluma first, she wont be in the other one

[waxen swan]

Where la pluma ?

[glass monolith]

I assume by having "2" choose 5 he refers to recent one and 1 of 4

[waxen swan]

You sure?

[rocky token]

Ah okay!

[rocky token]

I have 2 of these that's what I meant lol

[glass monolith]

[rocky token]

Wait ill send which one is in 2nd

So I assume you meant I should choose La Pluma from this one

[polar crane]

yepyep

[rocky token]

Thank you! Then La Pluma and Lappland It is 😄

[scarlet fulcrum]

ur screen so clean, nice

[rocky token]

Lol sorry I use a matte protector on my tablet, so it's a bit reflective

[near folio]

Not picking Specter?

[compact shoal]

Imo pluma is not that good for selector since she can spook in any banner that u want pull and she being easily replacable when u get 6 star laneholder. Better pick more utility 5 star that only in kernel banner since u wouldnt want to touch nor using gold cert for the 5 star in there

[waxen swan]

Why

[lapis hornet]

99% of units are easily replaceable even 6 stars

better pick smth for early game cause that's the hardest arknights is ever gonna be

[compact shoal]

Still ptilo is also good choice imo, healing in ealry game is as important and her uttility can still be usefull later on. Perfumer thing is healing over time she is not that good for burst aoe healing that new player usually need

[foggy grove]

pluma crushed all early game

also has good self sustain

[compact shoal]

Thats fair, but tbh if new player reroll and have mountain in the beginner pull, then mountain and lappland is enough for laneholding stuff. And can pick more other option than la pluma

[glass monolith]

Don't forget "La" part. We are old players. We know.
New players will come complaining their Plume died

[waxen swan]

Ur not amigo old tho

Or me old

[near folio]

Not gonna lie perfumer healing with S2 is insane

Of course it does require your defender to survive

To benefit from the burst healing

[glass monolith]

I'm middle age crisis player

[near folio]

Actually why dont he just pick Shamare

If I had hindsight I would just secure Shamare now

Instead of waiting for her to spook me

Sure early game AK is hardest

But Shamare will be carrying some of your midgame fights

[vivid rain]

Shamare carry every fight tbh

[compact shoal]

And being good base slave on top of that what a bargain

[vivid rain]

Her silly doll can let e1 max defenders tank steam knight heavy hit which is lol lmao

[near folio]

Eblana who?

Roberta cooked

[vivid rain]

That standarization ß came in handy

[lapis hornet]

I haven't used shamare in like

idk if I've used her more than 5 times in the last 3 years

[vivid rain]

Just use her more fr

(She isnt really needed in easy content)

[near folio]

I use shamare for those specific type of stages

[lapis hornet]

when you're late game it doesn't matter who you use until you're doing tryhard stuff that 99% of players won't touch

[near folio]

When the enemies are really asking for it

And if Shamare isnt enough

I'll add Roberta too

Make it more saucy

[vivid rain]

That being said shamare debuff doll is outright busted

[lapis hornet]

it's okay

it's rarely worth more than another dps or smth tho in casual content

[near folio]

-50% atk and def is pretty crazy though

[near folio]

Yeah true

For casual content

[lapis hornet]

if you're doing self challenge then

[vivid rain]

Smh who even uses casual content as a benchmark nowadays

[lapis hornet]

you better have everything in your niche pretty much

99% of players are casual

[vivid rain]

4 stars only h11-4 goes hard

[lapis hornet]

even ppl who act like tryhards here smh

okay you've done 4* h11-4 yourself I presume

[vivid rain]

4* h11-4 is kinda boring tbh

It's just spawncamp care and kill dogs

[near folio]

Then you have stages like these

Took me 20 mins to clear tho

[vivid rain]

Steam knight is easy as shit

He's just a stat stick

[waxen swan]

Not fossil smh

[vivid rain]

Nothing 5 defenders cant solve

[near folio]

True

But for H11-4 in particular you had to either stall very long or just meta him down

When doing stall strat need to wait for your other unit to eat the phase 2 missile rain to come back

[vivid rain]

Eh that's practically every boss stage in existence anyway

[near folio]

I dont dare let him stack missile rain on my healers

Dunno why but they still die

Even with ptilo's skill on

[vivid rain]

He shoot missile slow enough for you to deploy quartz somewhere to bait them

[near folio]

I think H11-4 only gives you one usage of Allerdale

Oh

U meant the Crusher

[vivid rain]

Yeah

[near folio]

True

But its a pain having to wait for quartz to come back when you just want to let loose

[spark sinew]

eh he's very squishy in phase 2 🤔

[near folio]

He is but I have to wait my my missile bait to come back

[spark sinew]

although yeah you have literally no dps except rock2

[near folio]

So I have to limit my damage

[near folio]

Even one Angelina S3 is enough to do like 20% of his hp

[spark sinew]

speaks how squishy he is at p2, really

[vivid rain]

Yeah in my first attempt guard specter can shave off quite a bit of his p2 hp

[near folio]

But its nice seeing Angelina dominate a stage again

She spawncamps the cars pretty hard with S3

And slow down those munchers

[vivid rain]

Also fun fact: if you deploy guard specter with s2m3 while he's charging his big attack, her skill will come up just in time to tank that hit

[near folio]

I see

Honestly the only demonic things from chapter 11 were the Casters

And the dogs

H11-1 still gives me ptsd

[void terrace]

His big attack locks a target, so if you retreat the target and redeploy someone on the same spot no dmg is dealt

[vivid rain]

Dog solo mountain fr

[near folio]

In H11-4 he locks the surrounding tiles though

[spark sinew]

use s3, he kills 2 dogs

👍

[void terrace]

Reaper and mudrock healing nullify dog bit btw

[vivid rain]

(Just use a random guard with a medic

[void terrace]

But they still die fast

Sadge

[near folio]

Last time I saw someone use mountain S3 was back during the co-op event

[vivid rain]

Mountain s3 goes hard against that robot pilot guy with a million damage in lone trail s stage

[lapis hornet]

I used mountain s3 for uh

[near folio]

The lightsaber?

[vivid rain]

Forgor which stage it was, prob s-3 a

[lapis hornet]

pyrite and cc2 dailies

damn that was a long time ago

[vivid rain]

No the mech pilot guy that have invis

[near folio]

Oh

Then idk

I didnt do lone trail S stages

Too lazy

Damn CC Pyrite

Those were the days

I had to borrow eyja back then for R18

And somehow replicate the nuke strat

My favourite R18 was still CC3 though

Sarkaz Worldcursers

But I had Mudrock and Surtr back then so it was fun

[lapis hornet]

aintnoway cc3 18 was so easy

high risk was one of the most fun tho

easier than usual but allowed for variety of strats

[glass monolith]

#strategy message

[near folio]

One of my favourite moments as a Horn main

[glass monolith]

I did "full" (There was no way to cover right ladder in my plan) map coverage on that EB map

Good times

[near folio]

Ah yes, the light shining in the darkness

[mortal forge]

Can anyone suggest a replacement for Horn?
I don't have any fortress defenders

[vernal lion]

is this Kyo afk strat?

[mortal forge]

Yes

[vernal lion]

what do you have

post your squad

[mortal forge]

This was the squad I used
And here are my Ops

[lapis hornet]

yeah your roster looks bit too new to copy full afk setups lol

maybe try a non afk guide?

[mortal forge]

I didn't go full AFK and used active skills instead of auto
But I did leak 3
Maybe I just need more stats, currently getting Ifrit S3 to 2nd mastery

[vernal lion]

nah you can copy Kyo strat, replace Honey with Eyjalter too

try Saria instead of Hoshi, and Lumen instead of Warf

but that squad still lacking dmg for left side

if you really want to follow Kyo strat

[mortal forge]

Yeah I'm lacking a fortress defender to support left

[vernal lion]

because Horn and Thorns there are necessary

you don't want to borrow?

[mortal forge]

I'm trying to do no borrow for auto
But I'll try borrowing so I can get the 400 reward for annihilation

[vernal lion]

actually, you can do it a bit different than fully Kyo strat

because you have E2 Eyjalter

[mortal forge]

How can I do it different?

[vernal lion]

I recommend this, but I haven't tested this yet

[mortal forge]

I'll check that out, but I'll try getting some more stats too

[signal wolf]

Do i just get better?

[vernal lion]

I wonder about that E2 medic

[signal wolf]

Me too

[spark sinew]

shoulda drafted hibi

[cyan gorge]

Picks up e2 Myrrh but not Orchid

[signal wolf]

Orchid is a supporter

[signal wolf]

I was hoping to save for gladiia, thats why i got specter

[spark sinew]

uhhh

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXYzJ1Lin_A&ab_channel=FABknight

[sullen rover]

maybe you should start with andreana instead

[signal wolf]

Random class starts doesnt like me

[deft badger]

do we get IS 4 tomorrow?

btw i love to ping u

[sullen rover]

romantical..

[deft badger]

yes i love hauck

love to annoy him...

[peak cloak]

@deft badger ❤️

🏃‍♂️ dont try to catch me axaxa

[deft badger]

hahaha

at least niko didnt let me down

hauck still in hiding

have to screen my qb then he will creep around

[cyan gorge]

I thought you were doing guard/support/medic start then I realized my mistake

[halcyon adder]

How important virtuosa is in future cn contents?

[opal kiln]

she's only relevant in cc13

cc14 is soon and it's SN

so maybe being able to ignore dodge will be useful

[gray stone]

Enmity Healing squad technology

[spark sinew]

btw do you have typhon

[gray stone]

Typhon is free

[spark sinew]

hm?

trust me, finding s3 borrow is a pain

[quick pecan]

i heard typhon is mid

[gray stone]

it's as easy as that

[spark sinew]

decent pot

[quick pecan]

woah salmon max pot typhon

real whale hours

[spark sinew]

although ig it's not yours

[gray stone]

TFN preset

[spark sinew]

figured as much

can't use it on tn1 🛌

[quick pecan]

i’m shitposting

[spark sinew]

cliff is ew

[gray stone]

sl7 works

as long as you abuse Ray too

TN-1 very poo poo, play at max range or you die

[spark sinew]

this acc skipped like

all those broken banners

[gray stone]

damn

TN-1 preset is like

mega uber trash

[spark sinew]

garbage yes

[gray stone]

Would have been nice if they let us use Jesslib

nope 4 star Jess

and the buff doesn't even buff themselves

[flint falcon]

has there been a preset team without 6* before

[gray stone]

Yes

[spark sinew]

current

tn1

[gray stone]

TN-1 TFN2

[quick pecan]

i’m coping r6 = sentinel module

[spark sinew]

ok i can't read but i see +30% on TN1

[gray stone]

Pasta buff

the buff is at least good

TFN4 TN-1 is just garbage

Oh TN-2 in that season too

[spark sinew]

damn i'm good

[gray stone]

btw

The pumps can be hit

[spark sinew]

yeah

[gray stone]

So Typhon S3 shots can be spread onto them

wasting damage

[spark sinew]

boss still kills my units during phase 2

oh...

well let's see

[gray stone]

Don't position units too far ahead

My squad used like 5 ranged units

• preset

and Ines

[spark sinew]

least degen is a joke

[gray stone]

I think she got uber nerfed

[spark sinew]

wait so if typhon kills her target during s3

i need to manually deactivate it or else she's just standing there forever?

[gray stone]

she would just fire at whatever comes into the circle

[spark sinew]

yeah i'm blind

[spark sinew]

yeah this sucks

if he goes into phase 1 around the devices it's just wasted s3

[gray stone]

I wouldn't say it's wasted

Chip damage on Chip Cliff

[spark sinew]

well all the ammo goes into devices

[glass monolith]

Imagine Ambriel was friendly firing civilians because shits have no def

[spark sinew]

ew i meant p2

[rich rune]

Harmonies is a solid mystic caster. She isn't a boss shredder like Ebenholz, but she still has respectable use cases. If your strategy revolves around high block count units, her talent will allow for some good DPS. And her s2 is phenomenal crowd control and decent chip damage. Pair her up with Saria, ptilopsis, and any artilleryman sniper and you have a solid defense

[cosmic thicket]

this is surprisingly more correct than i expected but still not correct

[spark sinew]

that came out of nowhere

[sullen rover]

:chatting:

[tidal sedge]

Posted to wrong channel?

[peak cloak]

i think it should be on #arknights

[spark sinew]

should it be 🤔

[rich rune]

I was trying to start a discussion about her strategic uses and pairings with other ops.

[limpid siren]

what's wrong about it?

i think it's a fine analysis, but i don't think it's a good conversation starter when you basically just lay out pretty much all there is to say about harmonie

[rich rune]

Fair

[limpid siren]

she's a good entry-level mystic caster that plays well with others, but she lacks the punch of a 6* dps so she meets the fate of pretty much every 5* in the game

[cosmic thicket]

i wouldn't use her for a "slap down block count and use aoe" strategy

[limpid siren]

at her core, that's what she's built for

harmonie cares about enemies being blocked

the aoe part is here and there

but the spirit of the statement is correct

[rich rune]

It works well enough. And she's also very useful on those damn phalanx soldiers, her slow allows her to give other casters time to make the most of their skills.

[cosmic thicket]

also i wouldn't really rely on her talent wholly because there is a small window where enemies are in her range, but before they get blocked

[limpid siren]

her skill has a 50% uptime on a 60s cycle

and it's her skill that you care about anyway

no big loss to waste a few shots that don't benefit from talent when skill isn't up

[rich rune]

,ptilopsis and liskarm can solve the slow uptime.

[limpid siren]

it's not a problem that needs solving

30 on/30 off is a decent cycle for what she offers

[cosmic thicket]

tbh the way i interpreted her s2 is you let her reach max charges but have very little total block in her range, and when there's a scary target you drop an frd on it and all the damage goes where you want it

[limpid siren]

in my experience, i either care about the slow field specifically, or i place her with a blocker in range so she can pepper shots at them during s2

either is fine, and it makes her a bit more versatile than iris who has a very narrow set of circumstances where she's good

harmonie isn't quite a king hitter like ebenholz is, but her hits are still fairly chunky, and she ends up at something like 1.8s atk interval during s2

[rich rune]

I also tend to pair her with Haze s2 and ifrit s2 for ultimate arts DPS hell.

[cosmic thicket]

ifrit s2 hmmge

[limpid siren]

if it works, who cares

i just slap her with a defender in range and call it a day most of the time

ig what's different for me vs most people is that my comparison point for harmonie is iris

whereas i think a lot of other people pin harmonie against more traditional arts dps units

[cosmic thicket]

iris is the most immediate comparison but most people have 0 iris exposure

i've used iris more than 0 times and she's felt fine, plays fairly similar to pudding since both want "just 2 enemies"

[rich rune]

Her s2 with Angelina s3 and Ethan s2 is also great for stalling large crowds of enemies. It can also set up for some epic shiftknights action.

[cosmic thicket]

tbf ange3 and ethan2 is kind of a funny combo by itself, both are 25 sp 25s skills that offer some crowd control

[limpid siren]

iris doesn't really play nice with others, and her charges can be a pain in the ass to manage

i think she is without doubt the worst mystic caster we currently have

[spark sinew]

hard to defend 1/2% factory op, yeah

[cosmic thicket]

i mean this is why i've never brought her blind but when the situation arises it's not hard to spot

[limpid siren]

idk i struggle to spot the situations nowadays, it's very rare she's the optimal choice

[cosmic thicket]

oh not for optimality no

i don't chase records

[limpid siren]

neither

even without that she gets choked out of a lot of spots by more generally good units

what i meant is that if there are like 5 solutions, and one has iris, i'm unlikely to spot that first

[rich rune]

I dabble in Waifuknights, and I have done in-depth work with some ops that most consider trash, like frostleaf

[limpid siren]

known dabbler

[rich rune]

She's not as bad as most say.

She is in a perfect middle ground of adequate.

[limpid siren]

i think what you're actually saying is that you can clear stuff with her

which is not mutually exclusive with her being bad

[cosmic thicket]

yeah general content is not known to be difficult with nearly every unit you could want at your disposal

[rich rune]

Her s1 allows for decent lane holding and her s2 can enable some stalling and pairs nicely with gnosis

[limpid siren]

bit of a bridge too far for me

[spark sinew]

decent laneholding

[rich rune]

If you get both to lock onto a boss you can stall for awhile.

[tidal sedge]

I see folks say otherwise but I sadly agree

[rich rune]

Unless the boss is immune to freeze

[limpid siren]

do these folks pick indigo or harmonie as the worst mystic?

[cosmic thicket]

who do these folks even say is worse then

[tidal sedge]

Her damage ceiling is starting to feel sketchy even by my low standards

Idk. I just see the sentiment she's the best one

Until Eben module

[cosmic thicket]

that's funny af

[limpid siren]

that iris is the best one?

[tidal sedge]

Yes

[limpid siren]

that's pretty funny

[spark sinew]

i saw people shilling indigo instead

[limpid siren]

hmm

from memory

[spark sinew]

or was this before mods at all

[limpid siren]

her damage cycle is somewhere in the range of 18k damage pops every 40s or so

this is a bit reductive

[spark sinew]

inb4 module doesn't help, idr 4* modules at all

[limpid siren]

but

either way it's not a very good look

i'm surprised anyone can try and sell that as the best

[tidal sedge]

Yeah. Idk what they're smoking either

[foggy grove]

someone tried to sell me eben is the worst mystic because he has no cc

[limpid siren]

huh, what happened to "the best cc is death"?

people love that joke

[tidal sedge]

I've done some comparisons vs mod1 Eben and her damage ceiling hurts to see in comparison

Like ch 12 3 block dudes

She needs extra sleep reloads to cleanly kill, Eben s3 kills with a full charge volley and a couple basic attacks

[limpid siren]

i think it's mostly the long cycle that hurts, which is weird because i usually wouldn't call a 30sp no duration skill a long cycle

[tidal sedge]

If my Eben was e2 90 he'd probably just kill with the volley

[limpid siren]

but in the context of iris, it does feel just a bit too long between her damage cycles

[tidal sedge]

Or a stronger talent, but HG was too conservative on that end

[limpid siren]

i feel like more % on her talent is nice, but doesn't treat the disease

so to speak

[tidal sedge]

Hm. An interesting deviation from my sensibilities. I suspect they avoided a 20 second cycle as thats the cycle on her s1.

[limpid siren]

i would have guessed at her s2 having a higher cost because it has sleep attached, but kafka is nearly twice as fast and can apply the effect to a wider area at no risk

so idk, it could just be part of HG honing in on a happier place for skill cycles in the game's earlier lifespan

[tidal sedge]

executor class cc skill duration to cd ratio is pretty overtuned in general imo

[limpid siren]

but ptilopsis on the field puts iris at 22s anyway, and she's hardly much better at that cycle

yea, at least kafka was from an era where you didn't get balls to the wall damage on top of the insane rdp time

[tidal sedge]

Though recent cc skills have sort of caught up

For earlier design comparisons, compare Red s2 to Glaucus s2 pre-decel module

[limpid siren]

hmm

i don't remember glaucus module doing much for her downtime

[tidal sedge]

It theoretically shaves 5 seconds off iirc?

Though that ideal isn't totally practical

[limpid siren]

true yea that's what i had it as

[tidal sedge]

Oh. You made a chart on this. Interesting.

[limpid siren]

red also has the funny first frame stun

[tidal sedge]

Gonna add Grain Buds? Though it's almost identical to Proviso iirc

[limpid siren]

ngl i genuinely forgot about grain buds

[tidal sedge]

Executors can also be applied almost anywhere on a map too

[limpid siren]

her s2 looks kinda decent

[tidal sedge]

You can quite feasibly use Red s2 twice on something before it ever enters a decel's range. Depending on geography

[limpid siren]

yea

executor privilege

i feel like decel binders are almost entirely crushed out of the picture at this point

[tidal sedge]

I feel similarly

Unless they get a real generous heap of power creep juice, but they have been stingy with that for 5*s

[limpid siren]

i think, generally speaking, greyy just has them beat

better range and splash, with just enough consistency on his slows

[tidal sedge]

[limpid siren]

feels like you're stuck waiting for hyper-specific scenarios to roll out a decel binder anymore

[tidal sedge]

The only real hope I have for them is a Y module decel with an infinite skill that gives a bit of aspd and grants splash to attacks

But that's like 80% of Suzu s2 already

[limpid siren]

that's a lot of hope

[tidal sedge]

With Suzu s2 existing it's a vain hope ye.

[latent anvil]

[limpid siren]

i'm still holding my breath for some good old fashioned power creep

enough of this sidegrade nonsense

[spark sinew]

just come to the cool side

there's plenty of stronger ops releasing lately

[tidal sedge]

I like contemporary 6* design even less

[limpid siren]

i'm in too deep at this point

[tidal sedge]

I really dislike they've went harder on 6*s getting to have their cake and eat it too

[signal wolf]

Gotta sell sadly

As long as i like their art im pulling

[mortal forge]

Finally beat Ashy Marsh no support.
Left side apparently wasn't the issue, Ifrit S3 just melted everything there.
I just used Asbestos Instead of Blaze, and put Mountain one tile down and used S3.

[vernal lion]

ok, well choice

[tidal sedge]

Mountain paradox is so hard

[spark sinew]

oh, mine was s3m3

[foggy grove]

the timing is tricky

[spark sinew]

is it tight timing without it?

[vivid rain]

Nah the timing is not really that tight

Just need to activate his skill as soon as possible to charge up for next wave

[tidal sedge]

I somehow managed to beat it

damnit it was hard

[foggy grove]

[cedar hound]

There was a person who try to clear it with s2

[foggy grove]

rip muffin

[turbid badge]

muff

[gray stone]

Can't wait for R6S2 lineup

[turbid badge]

2 new?

right

[gray stone]

though the teaser gave it away already

I'm more interested in the archetype anyway

[quick pecan]

time for new r6 to make old r6 look like shit

[gray stone]

A victim of conservative designs

Playing too safe and end up hitting too low

[quick pecan]

they tried to honor the source material

which uhh

[compact shoal]

I wish there is amiya and kalstist like base skill in r6 (while still having the moral gain)

[gray stone]

oh that's fine

[quick pecan]

pls give more base meta

[gray stone]

but the numbers are like

carefully tuned to be dog shit

[quick pecan]

well yeah but it’s also stuff like the limited uses on ash s3 and blitz s1

that’s honoring the source material

and it’s ass

[gray stone]

Again

numbers carefully tuned to be dog shit

[quick pecan]

idk how you would save ash s3 without just straight up giving her -rpd time

[quick pecan]

that’s mostly an ash issue

the 5* are relatively in line with their rarity

but yeah the new 6* will undoubtedly be better

[gray stone]

Ash should get a module that extends stun duration when she hits them

[quick pecan]

real

it’s kind of painful to see stuns be so good but then ash be so mid

[gray stone]

It wouldn't even be that broken

That's far from Ray's bullshittery right now

oh 55k total damage

at 0 DEF

that's still below Ray's bullshittery but that's fine

[turbid badge]

make tachanka base skill hood

good

[quick pecan]

i don’t even care about ash rerun for ash

i mostly want blitz

[gray stone]

me with pot4 Tchanka

[foggy grove]

blitz doesn't exist

i'm still having ptsd wasting over a hundred pulls for one copy of 5*

[quick pecan]

they made blitz cute ikemen

i have to pull

what if he gets a skin i cope

[gray stone]

[quick pecan]

luv him

will they make the new m*le r6 ikemen as well

i wonder

well fuze has helmet so i lost

surely there is one cute m*le

[gray stone]

You don't see the vision

masked men are hot

[turbid badge]

lol

[mortal finch]

enlighten me

[flint falcon]

lapp, and maybe silence from the other one

[gray stone]

Still Lappland and Silence

[mortal finch]

already picked liskarm

[flint falcon]

lapp then

[gray stone]

Then pick Lappland

[mortal finch]

alright

thanks you

[turbid badge]

docmeet doc

[quick pecan]

@turbid badge should i m6

i’m about to e2 fire whistle too

[turbid badge]

fw s1 masteries are huge lol

[quick pecan]

yeah doing s1 for sure

just questioning s2

if she continually attacks with module s2 is like 35s give or take until back up

but idk if that’s realistic

[turbid badge]

i probably would

just as its a nuke

talking for fw s2

inital increase is nice

and extra bomb on m1

[quick pecan]

hmm

maybe i’ll m1 and see if i want to m3

[turbid badge]

yea

if ur feel like u need it

just m3

[quick pecan]

i don’t have the mats for s1 rn

[turbid badge]

platinum trainer

😵

[quick pecan]

she’s my best sniper training lmfaoo

[turbid badge]

are u guys raising coldsho

t

i would but brokee

[glass monolith]

Who

[quick pecan]

not sure

i already have andreana for high dph

[glass monolith]

Oh hunter who don't hunt

[quick pecan]

and now also firewatch

[turbid badge]

she hunt

just

a little

need the scalings to do damage

[quick pecan]

she actually doesn’t have a bad skill cycle

the lack of instant reload vs. ray is just wow though

[turbid badge]

yah

[quick pecan]

well she wants the reload for her talent ig

[turbid badge]

use her to ignore CC aspd risks trust

[limpid siren]

i'll raise coldshot

she looks like dogshit on paper though

[karmic glade]

you are right, she is also dogshit in practice

[limpid siren]

par for the course then

i have plenty of bad snipers raised

[shell arch]

Wait so ignyus why did you ask broca savage yesterday

Don't tell me you actually raised broca

[merry narwhal]

what's wrong with broca

[shell arch]

Everything

He asked me to pick either savage or broca

Idk but he forced me at a gunpoint, so i said broca

[merry narwhal]

you did everything right

[sullen rover]

you get to live for now 🥳

[glass monolith]

Wind Chimes is reprint of Savage

[atomic monolith]

I'm torn, should I pull for Typhon or is my roster good without her and or would saving for Arturia be better? (I asked in help but as you imagine they're pretty busy having a nice conversation about new players being annoying lol)

[foggy grove]

with that roster you can pull whoever you want

can skip typhon if you want to save for other future ops

[vocal leaf]

save for hoederer, top tier husbando

[foggy grove]

notable future ops is like typhon,degen,ray,zuo/shu
just check if you like them

[vivid rain]

Wth unmoduled eyja

Wait their entire roster is unmoduled

[scarlet mortar]

except poz

[scarlet mortar]

tbh shu is a very strong pick if you have tryhard content in mind

else it doesn't matter ig

[atomic monolith]

I'm working on mastery 3 for their skills first

[vivid rain]

I see

[atomic monolith]

I am only lacking a longer ranged sniper so Typhon would be nice

[deft badger]

there aint much to m3

focus on the important ops

mlynat reed yato

[vivid rain]

trust the s3m3 mudrock

[deft badger]

u are not going to m3 mod if u have other ops standing without m3

i would probaly do for now mlynar s3m3, reed s2m3, eyja s2m3, give eyja module l1,

[atomic monolith]

Horse uncle already s3m3

[deft badger]

then switch to chon m3 he gets a lot of dmg from it don't know if u use him a lot or not

[atomic monolith]

Why s2 for Eyja btw?

Isn't her main skill S3?

[deft badger]

with reed and mlynar in ur team u will never use her s3 anyway

s2 can make reed do more dmg and its a great afk skill

[foggy grove]

he is biased towards afk

eyja s2 mastery is luxury low priority

[deft badger]

even m1 she is great

[atomic monolith]

It's alright M1

I did it for the extra charge

[foggy grove]

go finish your other better ops mastery,e2 executor or stuff

[atomic monolith]

Executor is on pause for now since the salt material needed is stage locked

Literally only that's left to get

[deft badger]

exe does cost a lot anyway

[ornate pond]

just get it in story mode

[deft badger]

needs m3 and mod3

[atomic monolith]

I'll
s3m3 Chong
S3m3 Pozëmka
S2 S3 m6 Reed
S2m3 Mudrock
S2m3 Yato
S3m3 Eyja (caster)
S1 S3 m6 Eyja alter
S3m3 Thorns

That should be everyone

After that I'll start getting their mods

[peak cloak]

@deft badger ❤️

Tschüss 🏃‍♂️

[deft badger]

skip pozy for now if u get typhone

[ornate pond]

ur acc isnt nearly developed enough to start thinking about m6, just e2 what you need to e2 and do m3

[glass monolith]

[foggy grove]

eyja s1 gain is pretty weak you can put it last or skip it altogether

[deft badger]

would do just reed mlynar anyway if u are low on mats and focus on e2 the stuff u have

[atomic monolith]

Who else is there to E2?

[deft badger]

ifrit

[ornate pond]

penance, ex alt, mumu, ifrit

[deft badger]

penance

u can skip the rest for now

[atomic monolith]

I barely use mumu lmao

[deft badger]

when u have more mats to work on skills

[atomic monolith]

Idk If have the ops that make her clones good

I might need to make a to do list for all this

[deft badger]

u can skip mumu

don't really see much use for her or penance at ur roster

but penance is nice to have

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yet this guy pulled her tbh just save for degen ray and shu+zuo le

[vernal lion]

Typhon pull will begin in 5 more hours

[glass monolith]

Look on my number go to 2 digits

[sly drift]

[vernal lion]

amumugus

[foggy grove]

i bought aak and chiave
typhon who

[ornate pond]

help is dying holy

[vernal lion]

for afk, I will

I will skip this kernel bruh

[foggy grove]

kernel already gone
i bought it like half an hour before reset

[vernal lion]

no the next kernel is Magallan and Aak

or you mean it

[foggy grove]

oh is it?
same result otherwise i don't need another kernel ops beside aak

[glass monolith]

I still need / / / Shining

[foggy grove]

i modded mostima last week

[waxen swan]

I keep forgetting minus wasn't there when skadi debut

[vernal lion]

me, when Eyja refused to come home

[glass monolith]

I made account around TW event, but then uninstalled till DH

Lured by Kokodayo alter (announced on CN at that time) into shitshow of AK, best lure ever

[waxen swan]

Tw event isn't even the oldest

It was just the first event with emblem

[glass monolith]

When Yostar AK launched?

[waxen swan]

2020

2019 was beta tester

[glass monolith]

Conscript service till summer 2020 deez nuts

[waxen swan]

[sly drift]

2020 AK is stupid. You have to press claim button 20 times before you finally finish the daily quest

[shell arch]

2020 ak is stupid. You have to manually add recipe in factory for each time you collect products from it

[glass monolith]

[shell arch]

Like, people wouldn't know the struggle in forgetting to manually add recipe in factory and ending up not producing anything the time you log in

[glass monolith]

I remember i straggled with selecting skill when i started for real in 2022

[foggy grove]

you sounds like my grandpa

[waxen swan]

Imma be real i dont remember 2020 that much

And i was there

[sly drift]

We are now in 2024 and I think it's still stupid enough that we have to manually replace all base slave and place them to dorm one by one.

[waxen swan]

Well it is beta

[shell arch]

We're in 2024 and I don't remember anything in 2019 cbt

[foggy grove]

base out of beta will let you schedule things

[glass monolith]

Schedule would be too broken, simple presets would do

[sly drift]

Place your bet now which will come earlier ifrit alter or base full version

[glass monolith]

Beagle alter

[shell arch]

Cardigan e2

[sly drift]

Who revive her

[glass monolith]

Not confirmed to be dead-dead

Or at least i didn't read Who is SUS lore

[waxen swan]

She dead to me

Also nian just kinda say whatever on those

[sly drift]

Yea. She's ded enough to me

[waxen swan]

Remember when mudrock boss first came and it was a pain to beat ?

[glass monolith]

It is still pain to me cuz i am dumb

[waxen swan]

Dumb

[sly drift]

Yea.. I remember TW was like the first hardest event on the game.

Especially mudrock is fkin pain to beat because that insta take over towers lmao

[glass monolith]

Even damn "dog" tier enemies were doing arts damage

[dark glade]

What TW was fun

Ppl just dont know how to use tower in a tower defense game

[sly drift]

TW is fun but very painful to beat as first timer

[waxen swan]

Tw introduced suicide enemy that is not introduced anywhere else

And mud also have a shield mechanic that make you have to hold her long enough to burst her when it's broken

[sly drift]

Ye

[waxen swan]

She also dont fucking like being block

So you have to slow her down

Nowdays we have ops that can tank her hit easily

Back than she have nobody that can block her

The insta took over is so annoying because you have to slow her down but she also have more opportunities to take tower

[rich rune]

I agree, the first time I encountered the mudrock zealots they whooped my ass.

[spark sinew]

idk about pulling for typhon there
actually do they have proviso

but they also do different shit

[vernal lion]

imagine if this is a hard boss

[waxen swan]

Is this the ex ?

[vernal lion]

nope

I didn't record my ex play, but I think it's similar to that

[glass monolith]

That's some mini event i think, EX had some 3 line cringe

[sly drift]

"See future ops"
Sure

[vernal lion]

the issue is always from the suicide runner

[glass monolith]

See future bosses
We f-d

[spark sinew]

anyone remembers what anni number is this

[foggy grove]

5

[spark sinew]

scam, i thought it was 3 step afk

[dark glade]

Activate silverash skill

[spark sinew]

it's horn + cy

can pallas hold left

for some reason everyone just uses mud

[lapis hornet]

for 3 blocks

2 blocks tended to leak at the end with most afk strats iirc

[foggy grove]

i faintly recall some people use mountain

but it's such an old anni,i won't trust my memory

[vernal lion]

that makes me want to play Horn again

[sullen rover]

nice horn

[spark sinew]

mountain huh inb4 he leaks

[scarlet fulcrum]

iirc mountain need 4 crits at certain wave to solo, ppl placing body behind him tho

To prevent fail

tho its different case if u killed heralds beforehand

[spark sinew]

man reedic is so bad

no afk skill

basically unplayable

vigil holds the left so far

[void terrace]

How many hours to server up

2?

[sullen rover]

1 hour and 52 minutes

[void terrace]

Yush

[vernal lion]

so bad, reedic getting powercreeped when

[vernal lion]

damn got her in 8th pull

[deft badger]

hahaha

got 2 of them in 10

[vernal lion]

lol

I will save pull for now

I'm just pot 1 enjoyer

[deft badger]

going to pull 10 on reed now i feel lucky

[glass monolith]

62, still no first 6*

OH COME THE F ON

[spark sinew]

pulling before her rerun

kinda dumb

[tall cairn]

[spark sinew]

especially since luck doesn't work that way

[deft badger]

28 reed we good now

hahaha

[glass monolith]

Okay lets bet if i reach 69

63 - Mizuki

(Yeet the child)

[spark sinew]

tempted to call mods on unknown

too bad other people would be caught in a crossfire

[glass monolith]

"but nobody came..." - Undertale

[deft badger]

hahaha what did i do wrong again

[void terrace]

Chenalt ammo refund on typhon is wild

[deft badger]

i did try to follow ur advice don't pull ond standard, but when i feel lucky then i just do

[void terrace]

A broken skill made even more broken by another broken op

[glass monolith]

This single arrow bow has 37 arrows left

[void terrace]

10% chance to refund ammo

[vernal lion]

ok got santalla too

[spark sinew]

tempting though

[glass monolith]

O, hey, Aurora jumpscare

And Typhon beat my 111 pulls for Fia record by... BITCH WHERE ARE YOU

[spark sinew]

your record was 111? wow

[void terrace]

About 60% chance for Chen to refund AT LEAST one typhon arrow per s3

That's mad

Yes I just punched the numbers into binomial probability calculator

One extra Typhon arrow time

[glass monolith]

123 vs 111. Typhon is 1.108 Fia

[full finch]

remember that mlynar is only 1 fia

[deft badger]

she good?

[vernal lion]

no

[full finch]

she's above average for a 5⭐ splash caster

in other words, she sucks

[foggy grove]

my typhon is 0 fia

[glass monolith]

pot 6 Proviso

[spark sinew]

why would you do that though

that's always the question

what kinda thing survives typhon s3 and why won't you use something faster if it does

[void terrace]

I mean it's just a nice probability for some reason

It soothes the brain

Also imagine your Typhon auto screwing up due to frame lag and Chen extra ammo resulting in her not ending her skill and not having it back up in time for somethin

[glass monolith]

Imagine using Chalter for "stable" auto to begin with, unless stage lasts for 3 Chen shots

[foggy grove]

It's more stable than greyy auto

[void terrace]

Lmao

[spark sinew]

first stage of the "event" is nasty

[jovial nest]

Do the E2 capping purchases get expiration times?

Hauc, i need 3rd opinions. Can't rely on just 1 or 2 answers

also answer my question instead

[spark sinew]

no

[vernal lion]

do you like the jumpscare

[spark sinew]

imagine someone going afk

coming back to failed stage

help i'm forced to use typhon

[upbeat wigeon]

👁👁

[glass monolith]

Last enemy on fucking S-1 stage

[jovial nest]

lulz on LE slugs

[glass monolith]

WHY THERE IS ANOTHER GRAMOPHONE STAGE IN 2024

[dark glade]

you dont like 7* ops in your team?

[jovial nest]

I don't see any roadblocks...

[tidal sedge]

@limpid siren You were right about how big enemy hurtboxes are. Near corners of Santalla s2 icicle AoEs will miss center blocked (first blocked) enemy but will hit blocked shifted enemies (2nd and on)

It's annoying to record so that'll have to be after work

[glass monolith]

Stage before gramphone

[jovial nest]

ah good. the TRUE 7*

[glass monolith]

Gram stage suck ass army of boomers B line blue box

[vernal lion]

While "Witch's Tears" is active, Santalla automatically attacks tiles within her range that does not overlap with the out-of-bounds area in the map, chosen in the following cycle depending on Santalla's facing:

1. A random tile to the left row (horizontal)/column (vertical)
2. A random tile to the right row (horizontal)/column (vertical)
3. A random tile to the central row (horizontal)/column (vertical)

[glass monolith]

Random bullshit go as another operator after S1 Aak

[jovial nest]

It's gonna be a while to get the best iteration of Typhon. Gonna be a while to get S2M3 and gonna be a long while to get 100% trust for trust stats and module

[dark violet]

first map is just free for unlocking flagbearer modules. CM even pushes you to do it

[glass monolith]

Fuck you for reminding me CM exist

[spark sinew]

please don't tell me you're modding flags

i even forgot to do this mission because wow, flag mods

[glass monolith]

No i am doing CM stages

Well i mean will do

sometime

fuck

[tall cairn]

? Triple flags.

[dark violet]

I thought it was clear since that I was doing mod for every op. I say it so many times

[vernal lion]

tbh HG did make very well to these gimmick stages

especially right at the first stage

slug jumpscare close to your bluebox tho

[spark sinew]

you can't do that though

you will run out of module blocks

so saving them is a natural conclusion for me 🤔

[dark violet]

correct. I will still do it

[scarlet mortar]

not copying LXXXIV, dalao

[glass monolith]

It is fair gaming because Eunectes stages were like 30 slugs each fucking map as opening so god bless my Siege start

[dark violet]

I've been doing just right, a bit tight but managing to mod every op that can as trust goes

new module events are where the reserve goes into negative

[cunning river]

Like what are you supposed to do?

[dark violet]

nothing, drop filler targets first

[glass monolith]

(Me with S2 Heavyrain) Just die lmao kek

[dark violet]

strategist vanguards are pretty nice against that move

[cunning river]

That can't possibly be it, that sounds insane

[scarlet mortar]

beanstalk S2

[dark violet]

it is it

[vernal lion]

man I like how Andoain target the op and then they all turn to invisible

[cunning river]

God this is so fucking stupid

[scarlet mortar]

or put your tankier ops to the left

[dark violet]

I mean, he does almost nothing else, leave him have some fun

[scarlet mortar]

andoain's solved two years ago innit

(as in, the moment he released)

[quick pecan]

andoain is paper anyway

only thing is his dodge gimmick

[scarlet mortar]

bro dies to phantom

[vernal lion]

fun fact, if Andoain has targeted an op first, but that op has turned into invis during the attack animation, he will waste that attack later

[dark violet]

as nearl fell from heaven like lightning

[scarlet mortar]

it is so unbelievably sad that zook + phantom doesn't 2op GA-EX-8

bc they basically almost could

phantom just needs more numbers

[vernal lion]

I choose violence

[scarlet mortar]

yh i ch'en S3'd his ass too

[glass monolith]

Ando: You can't kill me, i have dodge
Typhon: bebebebe, (Proceed to hit anyway)

[vernal lion]

can't dodge if I always target you...

[dark violet]

Poz: First time?

[scarlet mortar]

he was supposed to be the fartooth showcase boss

[vernal lion]

I did Fartooth, but the amount of buff tho

[sour talon]

Mfw wrong module

[spark sinew]

rookie mistake

[vernal lion]

he still will die to Fartooth, it's just his fucking radar scan attack is really annoying

[spark sinew]

just don't get bad module

use pozy instead