strategy

[timid acorn]

miscalculated patriots movement speed, my bad

it was 5 seconds per tile, not 10

[old arch]

You mentioned that I probably need an aoe healer right.

I messed up the Amiya deployment and she didn't S3 in time.

[vital arrow]

Now do it again

You have 30 practice plans

[old arch]

Nono er. I mean, with aoe healer right? Or is that not as needed.

Because it means I have to take weaker heals.

[vital arrow]

Its more comfortable

[old arch]

I see. Okay.

[vital arrow]

And ptilo helps charging amiya skill

[old arch]

OH YEAH.

OH RIGHT.

Okay okay okay hmm.

Gavial's probably better than Myrrh here because she has an aura heal when I pop S2.

[vital arrow]

No shes worse

[old arch]

So it's more aoe than Myrrh's.

Oh. I take it back.

[vital arrow]

Her S2 is ass

[old arch]

Oh.

[turbid badge]

yes

its so long

[plush wadi]

for TN-2's "Life Unending" passive, does that actually proc from all Yan operators or just the dragons shown in that team?

[foggy grove]

all yan

you can proc it with texas/chen/etc

[plush wadi]

procs with Penguin, Lee's Agency, LGD, Lungmen, Yan, and Sui? Holy crap that's a massive umbrella

[turbid badge]

all yan , including sub factions

also freelings work

For it

[civic bear]

that mob stalling patriot thing doesnt work anymore

now the killgate is on patriot p1 kill

[somber stone]

Huh Texas is yan

[foggy grove]

lungmen is part of yan yeah

[turbid badge]

penguin logistics is based in lungmen

did u read cob

[somber stone]

Bruh she just lives there tho

[civic bear]

wait actually nvm it still works

[vital arrow]

Well shes still under penguin

Therefore shes yan

[turbid badge]

crossiant Nd nian

fat

is swalter RI?

[old arch]

Oh hmm.

Okay so.

[turbid badge]

ok

[old arch]

I managed to make it to such a point where he's the only guy left. But.

[turbid badge]

cuora can last

[old arch]

Hmm. For some reason, the mines disappeared.

[turbid badge]

with skill?

[foggy grove]

swalter is yan yeah

https://prts.wiki/w/干员一览#?force=1-炎%3B炎-龙门

[old arch]

Er, I popped skill because he speared Ptilopsis.

So you see that random mine next to the explody.

[civic bear]

mines disappear if enemy left the mines aoe after the slgiht delay

[old arch]

Oh.

Okay so next run, I probably will reposition Amiya so her S3 points down.

[civic bear]

dont mines at the top

pointless

[old arch]

Oh.

Won't he go up there.

Also hmm. Okay so.

Cuora S3 can tank Pat?

[turbid badge]

s3?

[old arch]

Er, S2 sorry.

[civic bear]

Yeah but u want someone to hit him while he got mined too

[old arch]

Oh.

Yeah so.

[turbid badge]

yeah

[old arch]

They were busy hitting the mobs.

Hmm.

Also I can't figure out how to position my units.

[civic bear]

Putting mines at the top means pat would get to hit every nearby op at the top which cucks short range and melee lot more

[old arch]

Because he spears as he moves.

So the "farthest" is always changing.

[civic bear]

He spears furthest target

Just

Place someone at bottom right

As bait

[old arch]

Oh.

I'm so sorry Meteor. 😦

[old arch]

Sorry can you repeat this.

Or elaborate.

[civic bear]

Cuora with heals definitely can tank pat 2

[old arch]

Initially I did want to place mines above Cuora (so that last corridor).

Thing is, the jetpackers went through them.

And wasted them.

[turbid badge]

yea lol

[old arch]

But Pat's movement is such that I can only get 4 mines' worth of damage.

[civic bear]

If you mines at the top it means pat would be able to hit all the hg tiles at top. So ur ranged op has to be on the middle if they want to deal damage. Melee would need range too

[vital arrow]

His phase 2 moves faster

[civic bear]

He can hit range tile

[old arch]

Oh.

[civic bear]

He's "ranged" on p2

[old arch]

Is that what killed Gitano.

I see.

I saw her die but I didn't see the spear.

So I was confused.

Ic ic. Hmm. That's bad.

Okay so hmm.

As he P2's.

[civic bear]

Should be a win tho

[old arch]

I need to ensure Cuora remains there.

[vital arrow]

Youre not doing a permastall?

[old arch]

So wait.

[civic bear]

P2 u can tank and just mines

And 1 dps

[old arch]

I tried.

But the timing was hard to pull off.

[civic bear]

The guy stand still for a bit on each cofner

[old arch]

And Cuorier needs to generate DP without dying.

[civic bear]

That place he's sitting on ur ss is his last checkpoint

[vital arrow]

How is he dying

[civic bear]

After that he start walking left up right to top blue box

[old arch]

Because I put Ptilopsis above where you see Estelle died.

And I deployed um.

Gavial next to Amiya so she can survive the crossbow men.

[civic bear]

Put ptilo 1 tile up

[old arch]

OH.

YEAH.

YES.

No wait.

But Pat would kill her.

Not by spear, but by wacking her.

[vital arrow]

Just try it first

[civic bear]

Bait

[vital arrow]

Thats why its recommended to do permastall so you can do p2 safely

[old arch]

Nono um. Gitano was there too and as Pat moved down to where you see now, he whacked on the way down.

[civic bear]

Ye p2 pat is very weak to damage

[vital arrow]

If you're doing it the normal way you have to manage pat and the 2nd wave of enemies

[old arch]

Okay I'll try permastall again.

So to clarify, I have a unit stall the 16th enemy.

And Amiya S3 takes out Pat P1.

All the while he's moving through the corridors.

And as he P2's, I need to redeploy everyone (all while the stall's still happening) and move them away from his regen aura.

[civic bear]

Perma stall doesn't work anymore . U need to kill pat p1 before 18th mob spawn to move the killgate to 18th mob

[vital arrow]

No, you take down phase 1 before the 18th mob spawns

[old arch]

Oh boy.

[civic bear]

That's p hard

[vital arrow]

Its doable

With amiya s3

And 2 mines

[old arch]

Okay so I'd like to ask one thing.

[vital arrow]

Then you stall the 18th mob

[old arch]

How do people bait his spear.

When the redeploy timer is so ong.

[vital arrow]

With ranged op

[old arch]

long.*

And his spear is every 30s.

[vital arrow]

They bring multiple ranged op

[old arch]

...

[vital arrow]

Or cope 12f dodge

[old arch]

Erm.

[crystal cargo]

you can use lin

to tank spear

i think

[old arch]

Is that an operator LOL.

[vital arrow]

Yes

[old arch]

It is ic ic.

[vital arrow]

Lin with bait would work

[limpid siren]

oh neat

[vital arrow]

But you dont borrow

[limpid siren]

did they break the stall

[civic bear]

It's been broken like long ago

[vital arrow]

Did they break it? Last time I tried it still worked

[limpid siren]

same

[civic bear]

U have to kill p1

Before 18th mob spawns

[old arch]

Okay I'll try again. Hypothetically, just asking.

[vital arrow]

Yeah thats always been the case no?

[civic bear]

No

Go check Kyo vid

[old arch]

Amiya would eat his next upcoming spear in my screenshot.

[civic bear]

His 18th mob alrdy spawns

Then amiya killed p1

18th mob is the melee one

[old arch]

That means I have time to redeploy Ptilopsis and Platinum to heal/dps.

And I can deploy like, idk, Gavial to bait next spear.

Or Meteor.

Does that sound vali?

valid.

[civic bear]

If u mines and 1 dps

[old arch]

OH.

[civic bear]

It should take fairly fast

[old arch]

I can mine on top of him huh.

[civic bear]

2 bait is more than enough

Yea

[old arch]

Okay hmm.

One thing.

Cuora S2 is very limited.

[civic bear]

Yes

[old arch]

Once it runs out, won't I be screwed.

[civic bear]

Just kill within the s2

[old arch]

...

Oh.

[civic bear]

Boss is very very weak at p2

He loses his def to 1/3

[old arch]

Wait.

Is he weaker to phys or arts.

In P2.

So since the mortars are dead.

I can have Platinum take him out, or Estelle or Astesia.

[cosmic thicket]

700 def 45 res I think

[civic bear]

2100 to 700 def
90 to 45 res

[old arch]

Okay hmm. I may change my lineup by swapping Meteor for Myrrh.

Since I didn't need to use her this map.

[vital arrow]

Huh no she took it down right before the 18th one spawns

[old arch]

Second, uhh. From the info I've read, when def exceeds damage, then you do negligible amounts.

[vital arrow]

5% atk

[old arch]

However, I'm not quite sure I understand how res affects arts damage.

[tall cairn]

The mob count at the top is deadge mobs, not spawned mobs.

[vital arrow]

Res is just direct % reduction

[civic bear]

Wait did he?

[old arch]

Oh okay!

[vital arrow]

Yeah I counted the spawns manually

[cosmic thicket]

I think arts also has minimum damage but that's not applicable here

[vital arrow]

Arts is also minimum 5%

[civic bear]

Oh he did

[full finch]

arts hits minimum damage at 95 RES under normal circumstances

[tall cairn]

Eh. hmm……

[old arch]

Platinum has.. ~1k at S2, but I can't assume that will be up by the time I'm fighting P2 Pat. Since she'll also be dead.

Astesia's probably my best bet then.

[vital arrow]

If youre permastalling you can use anyone to dps

Since its

Permastall

[somber stone]

Use both

[old arch]

Oh.

[cosmic thicket]

you also have an answer to the spear right

[old arch]

Yes! Amiya will eat it.

Then Meteor if I can't take him out in time.

[cosmic thicket]

ok cool

[vital arrow]

You sure amiya will eat it?

After you used her s3 for phase 1

[old arch]

Yeah, then I redeployed her and she's doing her shots right now.

But now that you mention, you're right.

I don't know if she'll be gone before he spears.

Okay I'll rerun this again, utilizing mines better. Thank you everyone again.

Brb in 20 or whatever LOL.

[vital arrow]

Just try to do the permastall

[old arch]

Okay. I'll try that out too.

Okay question. I just realized.

As P2 Pat is moving through the corridors, does he just hit any high-ground operator on the way.

Or does he have certain like, priorities.

So if I deploy my healer to the top-right of Cuora there.

Would he still hit her.

[full finch]

basic attacks have default targeting

[old arch]

Oh okay.

Got it thanks.

[full finch]

spear targets furthest unit (in simple terms)

[old arch]

Yeah.

[full finch]

btw his aura counts as an attack for some reason

[old arch]

The P1 -> P2 aura?

[full finch]

it persists during p2

[old arch]

Oh what.

[full finch]

it will repeatedly proc any defensive recovery skills or when attacked talents

[old arch]

Actually nvm I didn't notice.

Everyone was dead anyway.

I see.

[full finch]

like penans, liskarm, etc.

[tall cairn]

Hmm yeah it does seem you have to kill Patriot P1 before 18th mob spawns, does still work. Mb thought you were referring to something else.

[old arch]

Okay did I do it right. So kill P1 Pat before 18th mob right.

I tried to avoid dropping Myrrh but Amiya was dying to crossbowmen.

So once the 18th mob spawns.

Idk if Courier will be up in time though.

To stall.

[tall cairn]

You have 15 + 3 mobs on field, that’s 18, the mob has already spawned.

[old arch]

Oh.

Oops.

[civic bear]

its fine

drop estelle

u can still win

[old arch]

I plan to drop Estelle where the mortar men spawn

[tall cairn]

Yeah should still be able to.

[old arch]

Because last time I dropped Astesia there, but I think Estelle would be better.

[vivid rain]

Wow a low end patriot run

[old arch]

Since she'll heal upon their deaths.

Lol it's not low-end. 😭 This is my only squad LOL.

[full finch]

huh
that's a based team

[old arch]

Okay sorry everyone so this is going very well because the mines' timing also worked out.

[vivid rain]

I mean you didnt just give up and solo the stage with penance

[old arch]

Pat will move through my remaining 4 mines.

However, he will also kill everyone along the way. And he'll spear Platinum if I'm correct.

[vivid rain]

Which means this squad is low end enough

[old arch]

Last run he killed Gummy even though she wasn't blocking him.

[vital arrow]

Patriot is ranged on phase 2

[old arch]

But I can't deploy anyone to eat Platinum's spear.

[civic bear]

If u want

Just put 2 mines

[vivid rain]

Oh yeah p2 patriot have bigger range

[civic bear]

At top right

2 mines kill mortar

[vivid rain]

Lancet 2 trick

[civic bear]

So 4 mines for 2 mortar

[old arch]

Hmm.

Nono the mortars and mobs aren't the problem. I want to ask about um.

[civic bear]

Let's u have Estelle astesia for mobs and pat instead

[old arch]

How you would suggest I go about deployment to kill Pat in time.

For Cuora S2 too.

[civic bear]

U have a lot of time

[old arch]

Oh.

Okay then I got this. I'll stop asking for now LOL.

[civic bear]

Just wait cuora s2 until the boss reach her tile literally

[old arch]

Okay!

And I'll save all my dp as well as redeployments to burst him down once he reaches Coura.

[civic bear]

As in boss aura hits her

[vivid rain]

Been a while since i see someone doesnt just kill patriot before he reaches your team by using uncle

[old arch]

I'm guessing that's a 6*. 😭

[vivid rain]

Support units gaming

[tall cairn]

S||Mlynar||

[civic bear]

Could slap gavial on right to make sure it doesn't hit plat and the 2 healer

[vital arrow]

Or just bring a rangers or something

Or cope 12f

[civic bear]

Or just face tank it

[old arch]

Got it, I'll unpause for now. Thanks guys.

[civic bear]

P sure plat deals good damage to pat there

[old arch]

Hmm no team wiped again. Okay.

Okay I'll just reference the previous screenshot because that's the state my game ended in again.

[turbid badge]

umm

[old arch]

So here's my plan because he did the same thing.

I move Cuora, Platinum to the right one tile.

I deploy Gavial where Platinum was.

That means that when he awakens, he'll blow up Gavial first.

Hmm.

Nvm I'll try again. Sorry.

[stuck trout]

Doing WD EX-8
I made it to the last wave which was five strikers but since I didn't have silverash, I couldn't take them out
Cuora isn't needed
Any other ops suggestions?

[somber stone]

What is eyja for

[foggy grove]

why eyja borrow tho

honestly just manage it so you have enough dp before strikers wave comes

[civic bear]

last five striker just surtr on the right/left of blue box (ones sthat isnt black marked)
facing towards the other side (help with heal so she doesnt die.
block middle striker to buy enough time so that you can then retreat when all 3 finally gets close and let it walk closer to blue box, you can block all 3 when they are 1 tile above blue box

then u can nuke everything at once

texalt yato p sure deals half damage to them

knowing ur end state after eb kill would be great to know which one is redeployable and what not

[stuck trout]

https://youtu.be/WYCuLatE-vU?si=9c0Mq1eIVOqeKIya
I watched this video and he uses eyaj for clearing top left and some enemies on the map

[stuck trout]

Surtr will be in cd if you watched it

[civic bear]

if u following the vid then u can just mudrock on the right side,
middleone should die to yato texalt after eyja chip them down
then the rest the same

[stuck trout]

Aight I’ll try it again

[civic bear]

u could very much stall each striker till u can redeploy yato texalt on each of them

[stuck trout]

I don’t have enough dp in most retries

[somber stone]

Replace cuora with a vanguard or something

[stuck trout]

Also who should I replace cuora?

[somber stone]

And retreat ops before they die

Bruh burst down eb with chen

[civic bear]

myrtle on bottom right?

should be free to deploy there

after surtr kill boss

[stuck trout]

Alright

So replace cuora with Chen I guess

[civic bear]

dp should be fine if u have identical dp to the video

[stuck trout]

Btw is executor alter good?

[somber stone]

Yes

He wants mod tho

[stuck trout]

Aight

[old arch]

Okay I keep wiping, so I watched a vid on how to better do the stall strategy. I'd like to confirm my understanding.

[stuck trout]

Yooo
Thanks for the help

[somber stone]

Cm:

[old arch]

In essence, all it does is make sure that by the time P2 Pat and the second wave of enemies come at you, P2 Pat is located in that little corridor on top and that your DP is topped off with operators all in position for the wave.

Is that correct. 😭

[civic bear]

yeh

[old arch]

Damn. Hmm. Yeah it's a bit hard because...

I am able to kill P2 Pat before he enters the maze of corridors. It's just that I can't handle the incoming wave along with Pat wiping out my operators as he passes by.

I see...

[vital arrow]

Which stall is this again

[old arch]

Uhh.

Wait there's multiple stalls?

[civic bear]

is gitano even relevant in ur run

[old arch]

She helps with DPSing!

[vital arrow]

The permastall one makes it so the jetpack wave never drops

Unil pat is dead

[old arch]

I also don't know who to replace her with.

[civic bear]

isnt estelle with any +1 help deals with the mobs p1

bring any

ST dps

[old arch]

Er.

[civic bear]

better of bursting pat on that p2 as fast as u can

[old arch]

Okay sec.

Correct.

Okay sec.

[civic bear]

here from ur setup u actually have a few window to burst down the boss

since he stops at the corner

[old arch]

I can consistently and reliably (100%) take him out here.

Awful ss.

[vital arrow]

So did you stal the 18th enemy

Because if it dies, the jetpack wave spawns

[old arch]

So wait wait. Sorry I'm a bit unsure haha. Um.

[civic bear]

u can put ur dps on x while pat is at square and try to kill him faster

[old arch]

Okay so I die because Pat moves through the pathway right, and this is alongside jetpackmen (easy) and mobs (easy).

[vital arrow]

Which strat are we doing again since theres like 2 different strats going on here

[old arch]

It's just I can't take Pat out.

I don't know either LOL.

So um.

[civic bear]

he is stalling

with cuora

[old arch]

Based on this.

[civic bear]

its just pat moves

and all his units die

[old arch]

^

[vital arrow]

Is this the stall bug

[civic bear]

at the top left

yes

[old arch]

I don't know if I'm stalling. 😭

[civic bear]

the stlal is working

[vital arrow]

Hes not doing the stall bug

[old arch]

LOL.

Okay wait wait lemme rerun it.

[vital arrow]

Since the jetpacks drop

[old arch]

I'll screenshot at my stopping point.

[civic bear]

ss when pat ded

[old arch]

Okay.

[vital arrow]

If hes doing the stall bug, only patriot is on the field and 1 enemy

[civic bear]

r u killing fast enough

[old arch]

I um.

I don't know? I kill him in the corner.

[civic bear]

did jetpack spawns then

if yes its too late

[vital arrow]

Let me reiterate again

[old arch]

Wait.

Are you asking if jetpacks spawn when he dies.

[civic bear]

yes

[old arch]

Ahhh.

[civic bear]

p1 death

[old arch]

Oh I see.

[civic bear]

not p2

[vital arrow]

You need to get phase 1 down before the 18th enemy spawns if you want to stall

[old arch]

Got it. I will try again.

[vital arrow]

Then you stall the 18th enemy so it doesnt die

[old arch]

I understand now.

[civic bear]

kill faster

[old arch]

Everyone thanks for being patient. 😭

[old arch]

OH?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Is this.

What everyone wanted.

P2 Pat is alive and walking.

There's that one dude on the bottom fighting Cuora, and she's not killing him, but no jetpackers.

[tall cairn]

Ye.

[near folio]

Is endspeaker a hovering enemy?

[tidal sedge]

No

I've been seeing that question asked multiple times, what's motivating it?

[near folio]

So just naturally cant be blocked?

[tidal sedge]

No. Just requires 3/4 block slots

[near folio]

Like we can stun it but we arent able to block it

I see

[near folio]

Hmm I dont see it being mentioned in enemy info though

[somber stone]

Phase one unblockable

[tidal sedge]

lol it still doesn't mention it even with new enemy info

I gave them too much credit

[near folio]

But you can still hold endspeaker with a block 3?

[tidal sedge]

Yes

[old arch]

Okay I'm ready. May I ask what the P is?

I'll rerun because I didn't expect it to work so I didn't have mines for P2 ready.

[tidal sedge]

4 block if it gets brandguider buff at low hp

[near folio]

What is brandguider buff?

[tidal sedge]

The staff guy

[civic bear]

p is plat

[near folio]

Oh I dont think its in TN

[civic bear]

the details doesnt matter. its just put damage there

[old arch]

Oh okay!

[civic bear]

just dps him

[tidal sedge]

If it eats brandguider buff, Endspeaker for that phase will require 1 additional block slot and huge def at 40% hp

[near folio]

I see

[tidal sedge]

Did you not play SN?

[near folio]

Nope

Im currently thinking of how im gonna do TN-3 spectecular

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Okay then

[near folio]

What order does endspeaker consume in?

[shell arch]

Closest to him iirc

[tidal sedge]

Prioritizes remains closest to it's most recent death spot.

[near folio]

I see

So I just dont give him swarmcaller buff and kroos alter it

[shell arch]

If you give him 3500 def buff relic, even chalter will only scratch that twat

[tidal sedge]

It's worth noting the AoE on the eating is weird. It only affects ops. It can only eat multiple remains in one bite if they're on the exact same tile.

[near folio]

I see

So in spectecular trial it will consume 3 times each death?

[tidal sedge]

Really overcomplicated mechanics for no reason and enemy info omits and misleads so much shit.

[near folio]

Does the buff stay on endspeaker after each kill?

[tidal sedge]

No. They reset each phase

[near folio]

Them forcing me to use astgenne in TN-3 💀

Its not the stage for her to shine

Maybe decent against Quintus but quite useless on the following 2 stages

[tropic valve]

[shell arch]

Omg cirno

[old arch]

Thank you so, so much everyone.

I'd love to tag everyone who helped me but I don't think that'd be a wise idea haha.

Platinum carried so hard.

Meteor and Myrrh had to eat spear but.

Their sacrifices weren't in vain. 😭

[strange hazel]

ayy nice

when i did patriot for the first time i had to learn the timings to hit him with all 15 mines (in phase 1)

[old arch]

LOL. 😭 That sounds brutal.

[strange hazel]

annoying part was a random doggo rolling by

and then just triggering it early

[old arch]

What about your Amiya.

[strange hazel]

not e2 yet

[old arch]

Oof.

[strange hazel]

was amiya s3 your main dps?

[old arch]

Yes for P1 Pat!

Took her + 3 mines to take him down.

For P2, it was basically all Platinum.

I love her oh my god.

[strange hazel]

if you don't have crazy dps meta units you've got to bring either amiya or a debuffer

or 15 mine him (maybe 12-14 depending on how things go)

[old arch]

Yep. It's not a self-imposed challenge or anything, but I'm fond of my current operators so I'd like to take the squad as far as possible.

[strange hazel]

honestly do it

it's more fun than rolling everything over

didn't know platinum permaskill can pierce his phase 2 def

[old arch]

Nono I don't think it can. I set up a few mines along his way.

Then I dropped Meteor for some shred and Gitano + Amiya helped.

[karmic glade]

patriot p2 got pretty low defensive stat, what is hard about p2 is the ICBM

[strange hazel]

ah right meteor

[old arch]

Yeah the ICBM. RIP Myrrh. 😭

[strange hazel]

oh it's only 500

yeah plati s2 totally can deal with that

[strange hazel]

the ICBM isn't really an issue if your team isn't falling apart at the seams (due to siegebreakers) imo

you should have enough ranged units to cycle

[old arch]

Yeah uh, I tried to do it without stalling but I couldn't handle Patriot killing everyone along the way, so I couldn't handle the mobs.

Then everyone was like, just stall better and that helped because now once he's dead, the rest of the mobs are super easy.

[strange hazel]

that said, if patriot and the siegebreakers are killing your healers + ranged ops, that ICBM will end your last few operators and also your run

[old arch]

Okay so I do want to ask for opinions. But maybe this isn't the right channel.

So I know it hasn't been fixed or anything but like.

Is the stall thing exploiting (obviously not ban), but like... hmm.

That's not supposed to happen is it

[vital arrow]

It is an exploit

[old arch]

Oh.

[strange hazel]

stalling patriot?

[vital arrow]

You moved the killgate

[old arch]

😭 Hmm.

Yeah..

I want to beat him normally with my team but it was too hard.

[vital arrow]

You moved the killgate from patriot to a normal mob

[strange hazel]

i think there's gray areas but a win is a win

[vital arrow]

The devs obviously dont expect you to kill pat before all phase 1 enemy is down

[strange hazel]

this is definitely in 'exploit' territory

[vital arrow]

So when you bring phase 1 down before all phaze 1 enemy spawns

[scarlet mortar]

killgates are a feature in this game

[strange hazel]

but so are a lot of things that people just consider optimal play

[tidal sedge]

H10-1 Manfred has a similar exploit

[scarlet mortar]

you'll be surprised how often it can be abused

[vital arrow]

The killgate moved from patriot to the 18th enemy

[old arch]

I guess I just feel a bit bad I had to resort to this.

[vital arrow]

Killgates have always been a thing

[old arch]

I wanted to beat it vanilla.

No offense to anyone.

[scarlet mortar]

nah lmao it's not hax

[vital arrow]

I mean

[scarlet mortar]

it's an intended feature

[vital arrow]

You's be surprised on how much killgates are abused

For low budget squads

[tidal sedge]

I highly doubt it's intended, but they kept it regardless

[civic bear]

It's a "feature"

[strange hazel]

technically, you could stall most annihilations for infinite dp

[vital arrow]

They kept it because its not really harmin anything

[strange hazel]

since they're also killgated

[civic bear]

Prob just a code oversight that they decided "eh that sounds not bad" and kept it

[vital arrow]

The fact that you have to stall something for like, forever is a difficulty in itself

[scarlet mortar]

the shifting killgate i doubt was originally intended but it's existed since what, year 0

by this point i think it's fair to say it's a choice to leave it as is

[civic bear]

Lots of thing in this game is like that

[vital arrow]

Wait till they see CC9 healing defender/gladiia tech

[civic bear]

If it ain't broke no need to fix it

[scarlet mortar]

gladiia tech is the cursed part

also hitscans

[strange hazel]

if you want a legit fight you can come back later and do the challenge mode

and not abuse the killgate

[tidal sedge]

Most of these exploits require making certain kills in a certain time frame. I suspect the devs think if someone is that deep into niche mechanics abuse and has the firepower to execute these strats they can reap the rewards

[old arch]

Okay thanks guys haha. I was just wondering but, I appreciate all the input and insight, as well as all the help for the past... couple hours of me doing 7-18 with a rather crude team LOL.

[vital arrow]

You still have 7-18 CM

[old arch]

Time to finish it up for the victory screen.

[vital arrow]

And H7-4+CM

You can fight pat as vanilla as possible in H7-4

He literally just walks in a straight line with his platoon

Good luck

No mines

[strange hazel]

(so vanilla, in fact, that there's no mines)

gitano can shine in that stage

[vital arrow]

If she doesnt die first

[old arch]

LOL.

[strange hazel]

i'm not sure she outdoes the average meta unit (probably not) but she's totally workable

[scarlet mortar]

oh you're lucky as far as 4*s go

[vital arrow]

Plus the enemies there have buffed stats

Since H stage

[scarlet mortar]

the 6op 4* record has gitano for once lmao

[steep coral]

can someone guide me

which operator must i have

and worth to upgrade

[vital arrow]

You dont need anyone

No one is a must have

The other guy just beat 7-18 with *4s

[steep coral]

to be honest

i really need blaze and thorns

[civic bear]

Ye h74 real threat is the shieldguards cuz they're tanky af

[vital arrow]

I doubt you do

[steep coral]

this both operator so important in hard stage challenge

[scarlet mortar]

general content in this game is notorious for being beatable with the bare minimum if you play your cards right

[steep coral]

i dont have the both

im waiting typhon banner

[keen rain]

Living in 2021 i see

[strange hazel]

technically amiya / siege / plati as well but i'm pretty sure the exact same strategy could work w/ their 4* counterparts and 12-15-mining patriot (this part is just not that fun to learn though, so it doesn't matter)

[steep coral]

7k orundum i have

[vital arrow]

What I think is that you watched too many 2-3 year old videos with blaze and thorns

[steep coral]

yep stop in 2021 play

[vital arrow]

And thought that you needed both of them

[steep coral]

now return a lot thing have change

[vital arrow]

Meanwhile both of them are dead in the current meta

[scarlet mortar]

[steep coral]

you play chinese server or eng?

me english server

[vital arrow]

This is AK EN server

[scarlet mortar]

thorns in 2023 was already reaching

[keen rain]

Thorns is pretty deadge, blaze is "deadge" (non meta but good)

[scarlet mortar]

E2L60 thorns stopped catching up to elite waves and suffers from early rushes harder

not like he's unusable but there's no point getting him over the more busted alternatives

[steep coral]

that why i need it

wait tell me meta operator

[vital arrow]

?

[steep coral]

2024

[vital arrow]

Mlynar

Texalt

Yato

Exalt

[strange hazel]

mlynar and fifteen defenders

that's every kyo guide

[keen rain]

Ines, reedic

[scarlet mortar]

exfed if you wanted a nonlimited that's not mlynar

[steep coral]

are you trying dumb me?

[strange hazel]

in fact, mlynar trivializes the game so much that you don't even need anyone

[vital arrow]

Yato

[strange hazel]

you just get him as support

[scarlet mortar]

ya2 is cracked for mobbing

[strange hazel]

... here we go

[keen rain]

Yato alter

[strange hazel]

https://gamepress.gg/arknights/operator/kirin-r-yato

[steep coral]

texas or yato alter must pull again?

not upgrade from precious operator?

[vital arrow]

Neither of them are must pull

[strange hazel]

nah you aren't getting them (limited operators), but they're meta

and you can get them as support

[vital arrow]

Meta doest mean theyre a must pull

Theyre just really really good

[keen rain]

Yato alter was collab limited so potentially never coming back, texas alt is the best current spark target, but prob not worth 300

[steep coral]

i thought like azur lane

[scarlet mortar]

"must-pull" ok sure if the only reason you pull in this game is to make things easier for yourself

[steep coral]

1 single operator

4 star

can be 6 star

by upgrade it

[strange hazel]

nah there aren't star upgrades here

[vital arrow]

I thought you played in 2021

[strange hazel]

if there were i think balance would be out the window

well it has been 3 years, you forget game mechanics in 3 years

[scarlet mortar]

ftr all content in this game was and still is beatable without a single 6*

[steep coral]

im play since 2020

and stop in december

not continue until 2023

now i return january 2024

[vital arrow]

Then you should already know the progression in this game

[scarlet mortar]

so in this sense must-pulls don't exist

[steep coral]

still far my story mission

lol tons of originite

[vital arrow]

I dont get where this is going

[scarlet mortar]

[steep coral]

reed is meta ???

i mean the new banner now

[vital arrow]

Reed alter

Yes

[keen rain]

Current JO banner would be pretty good for you to pull assuming you have no ops past 2021 ops

[steep coral]

but i focus on new banner

like typhon the killer boss

i need that operator

[scarlet mortar]

typhon is overhyped

[vital arrow]

Mlynar is better

[keen rain]

Mlynar is the better boss killer tho

[vital arrow]

But you probably dont have enough pulls anyways

[strange hazel]

take: you should stop caring about the meta and just get used to the game mechanics + strategy first

[vital arrow]

So just save and cope with what you have

[scarlet mortar]

without 60+ pulls you can't guarantee a 6*, much less the right 6*

[steep coral]

my operator killer boss is

silverash

[strange hazel]

4* operators can clear basically everything and some of them are super busted

[scarlet mortar]

offrates are a dime a dozen

[steep coral]

nothing than he can do

[strange hazel]

when i started i had 0 bosskillers

¯_(ツ)_/¯

had to stall them all

[vital arrow]

Rather than just doing "woe is me"
Just progress story and do stuff

[scarlet mortar]

SA is still up to current day statlines' standard

[steep coral]

wait i forhet

[scarlet mortar]

so like,

[steep coral]

i forge

[scarlet mortar]

play better idk

[steep coral]

what material upgrade typhon skill and e1 and e2?

[vital arrow]

Check aceship

https://aceship.github.io/AN-EN-Tags/akhrchars.html?opname=Typhon

[steep coral]

bro why so slow

[vital arrow]

Blame your isp

[civic bear]

sniper has to be the biggest pull bait in modern ak

[scarlet mortar]

mlynar in design failure tier

[civic bear]

pozy typhon ray theyre all good but their reign just doesnt last as long as say mlynar chalter and other aoe dps

[shell arch]

Wtf forge the bean/exmod???

[glass monolith]

Well duh, last time I checked maps had ranged tiles, now give me your snipers

[civic bear]

being st is too specialized😔

[glass monolith]

Archetto, Rosa S3, Rosmontis, do your thing

[scarlet mortar]

to be a meta puller in modern day arknights is to cope

[civic bear]

just pull 4 sui and win bro wdym

as meta as it gets

[steep coral]

wth

[scarlet mortar]

if you had to bring one op ever to every stage it might as well be mlynar

[steep coral]

what is that refine

[strange hazel]

i'm still wondering how texalter exists

[steep coral]

material her fo e2

dont tell me is far story can drop it

[scarlet mortar]

haha big number funne

[strange hazel]

what if cherry bomb with 20 second cooldown

oh and also stuns everyone so she gets to use her whole skill without dying

[steep coral]

issue material drop i got

the pink one

[scarlet mortar]

wasn't that in the shop during SL

or HE idr

[steep coral]

bro i didnt get it single

from event

[strange hazel]

polymer prep can be obtained slowly via integrated strategies or events maybe?

or just clearing story

just do that

[steep coral]

[scarlet mortar]

grinding IS for mats skull

i can never

[steep coral]

sadge da

[strange hazel]

that's how i got my first 6* e2 (kal)

i had an entire mat route planned out because i was on ch7 or smth

well, i started planning at ch5 and got it much later

[steep coral]

episode 5 ? chapter?

[strange hazel]

yeah that's what i meant

if you want mats though the best way is consistently clearing event shops + grinding event stages

[steep coral]

im pass ic ex 8 challenge or mode normal also annihilation event didnt make it

i miss it

at least i got few items

also few originite by

mr kyo

[old arch]

Okay question.

So uhh... Talulah. Is she even harder than Patriot.

Her fight I mean.

Will I have issues with my squad.

[vital arrow]

Yes

[old arch]

Oh my god.

[scarlet mortar]

issues? yes

can you still do it? yes

[old arch]

Oh what.

[vital arrow]

Before talulah theres also mephisto

[old arch]

Sniper guy right?

[vital arrow]

So

[old arch]

I think I beat him before.

[vital arrow]

Thats faust

[old arch]

Oh oops.

[scarlet mortar]

sniper guy dieded

[old arch]

Oh oops LOL.

Umm. Is this the cane guy.

[vital arrow]

Yes the cane guy

[old arch]

Sorry I came back after a hiatus so. It's been a while.

[tidal sedge]

Has Faust been in any TfN yet

[old arch]

Ahhh yeah. Damn.

[scarlet mortar]

1

[vital arrow]

Yeah faust was in TFN1

[tidal sedge]

Oh right. I remember now

[old arch]

Wait just to confirm, you know my current squad/roster right.

[scarlet mortar]

skullshatter - faust - FN

[scarlet mortar]

i mean i scrolled up to your pat fight

[vital arrow]

Its a bunch of *4s right

Talulah was done with *3 only

[tidal sedge]

Honestly I'm surprised they don't use him more. He has relatively unique mechanics among bosses

[old arch]

Well, yeah. It's basically the units I rolled early on who I'm incredibly fond of.

[scarlet mortar]

you can raise a couple more 4*s and it'd be enough anw

[old arch]

Alright thank you!

Can't wait to ask a million questions here again. 💀

[vital arrow]

Its not impossible

[old arch]

My apologies in advance everyone.

[vital arrow]

You're just gonna be stuck in it

Honestly the stagss before talulah are harder

[old arch]

Er, stuck?

[scarlet mortar]

he's easily neutralized with bodies so

[old arch]

Oh okay.

[vital arrow]

M8-8

R8-8

M8-6

[steep coral]

ez boss

[scarlet mortar]

well duh lmao

act 1 boss

[steep coral]

the captain boss is hard

[vital arrow]

Year 0 bosses are easy

surprised pikachu face

[steep coral]

i just cant beat the captain boss

[scarlet mortar]

pancho?

[steep coral]

ye

[scarlet mortar]

they just beefed him up

[steep coral]

too op he

[vital arrow]

Pancho is the easiest one

Hes literally just a punching bag

[steep coral]

if you have alter

no wonder ez

[scarlet mortar]

pretty sure 3*s wiped him

[vital arrow]

You can tank him

With defender and medics

[steep coral]

my saria

[scarlet mortar]

[steep coral]

1 hit instant die

[vital arrow]

Oh look

[steep coral]

e1 lvl 57

[vital arrow]

Spot and cardi tanked him

Well

[steep coral]

my gummy 1 hit still alive

[vital arrow]

Time to uh 'git gud'

[steep coral]

second hit die

[steep coral]

you know what

i did trying trick

push pancho into water

what i got didnt 1 hit die lol

they still walk in water

[scarlet mortar]

pancho only gets oneshot in water in DH-9

twoshot technically but

[steep coral]

both

in mode boat still die me

[scarlet mortar]

some stages in DH feature deep water

[steep coral]

after he lost boat still die m

[scarlet mortar]

only those ones instakill enemies

[steep coral]

how?

drown him>

[scarlet mortar]

er, by working as intended in those stages

[scarlet fulcrum]

Only applies to high speed tide, 14k true dmg per second

[full finch]

a mere 14k true damage per second

[scarlet mortar]

yh meanwhile the TfN map's water barely does anything

[full finch]

kiddie pool water

[steep coral]

then i must push pancho into water?

[scarlet mortar]

i feel like this convo isn't convo'ing

[foggy grove]

tfn doesn't have deep water zone

[glass monolith]

That shit is from DH-9, not TfN

[foggy grove]

fin

[scarlet fulcrum]

In calm water only 40 true dmg per second

[scarlet mortar]

might as well do scratch damage

[steep coral]

but i have issue

my shaw

can push only

without water cannon

[glass monolith]

It is DH-9, boss sometimes walk into water himself and need only to be blocked

But that shit is precise or something so i couldn't make stable auto with boss doing self drown

[scarlet mortar]

it's practically RNG

the angle is awkward so there's no way to control how he walks through that diagonal

[glass monolith]

I used Ange + Weedy combo to convince boss to correct his wrong pathing

[steep coral]

who is weedy?

[glass monolith]

It is character who appears, cheese boss into hole, refuses to elaborate and leave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvGwj3rNkDo

[scarlet mortar]

i miss the days of hole memes being popular

[void terrace]

You know what they need

We need an op that turns a high ground tile into a hole. That would be pretty balanced for pushes and pullers

Since no ground enemies path onto high ground tiles

Having an op that could create a 'hole' on a high ground tile would be a way to save pushers

[tidal sedge]

Not really

That's still using 2 ops to do something a dps could possibly do alone

[void terrace]

But

Pushers

It's a great fun way to make pushing more viable

And universally applicable

[halcyon adder]

Just make a pusher with a skill that pushes very far and also does mlynar level of dps

[tidal sedge]

Also it's a lazy way to make them work imo

[flint falcon]

doesnt that sort of break the game

[halcyon adder]

Game is already broken

[flint falcon]

as long as ur pushable ur doomed

[tidal sedge]

It's just a way to convert pushing into dps instead of making pushing in itself useful

and using an op to support a dps is what buffers/debuffers already do

[halcyon adder]

Push is very useful as long as it's easy to pull out and doesn't need multiple ops

[flint falcon]

have u guys seen cc

[steep coral]

bro

what happend our members name

always !

every each name

[tidal sedge]

Pushing is just troublesome design as it stands as it's either broken or garbage with little in between

Look at Lone Trail to see what happens when enemies are low weight.

[flint falcon]

and u say having an op that can just make holes wont be game changing

[tidal sedge]

That's exactly why I'm saying it

[glass monolith]

"Instakill as ability, sounds balanced"
This guy would qualify into LoL dev team

[scarlet mortar]

nobody tell them abt blockshifting

[tidal sedge]

When enemies are low weight, pushers perma-stall them. Which makes them basically dead anyways

[flint falcon]

'

[scarlet mortar]

fun fact you can shift without any pushing or pulling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfd3qDscAGo

[tidal sedge]

There would be nuance in enemy density affecting things, but they were stupid and made Weedy s2 have no target cap

So elites have to be heavy, fast, or ranged or else Weedy just crushes a lane by herself

[void terrace]

Eeh it would be a fun gimic. Especially on a high cool down to pair with stalling starts and things like gladia s3 to gather mobs at once

Would have no effect on heavy bosses and elites too, and make stuff like ho'ol and ange more viable again

[tidal sedge]

While I don't care for it personally I do appreciate the thought you put into it. Locking it to ranged tiles to avoid certain kinds of abuse is a neat thought.

[tropic valve]

wtf

witchcraft

[scarlet mortar]

blockshifting moment

for multiple enemies approaching an op with the same pathing, the second enemy blocked will get shifted clockwise

the third one ccw, fourth cw, so on

[tidal sedge]

Some folks abuse that in Anni 2

[tall cairn]

[scarlet mortar]

yh same corner trick

[glass monolith]

"Guys look at me make shortcut next to this hole" - Kevin

[scarlet mortar]

this actually gets heavily abused

recent examples are uhh

actually all damazti

wait it's also all in H12-1

H12-1 4*s damazti blockshift into a splitpush to crowd two of them on the same defender https://youtu.be/Bxrb3a4fXK4?t=61
(this was also done by defenders) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBx9oJskaV4
(and S1 only) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d0tOFep9Bk

lmaoge

the other times i'm thinking of isn't crowding blockshifting but actually splitpushing

[scarlet mortar]

this actually did use blockshifting

for a milisecond

but the push fails without it

[shell arch]

Anyone knows who has the highest dp per second in the game?

[scarlet mortar]

isn't it tied between sail and ely

their skills being the same

[shell arch]

What about s2 canta/ines if they're constantly attacking throughout the whole skill duration?

[scarlet mortar]

ines has a 1s atk interval and caps aspd at +70 so that's 0.59 s/DP at max stacks

sail produces 18 DP in 8s which is 0.44 s/DP

sail wins

[shell arch]

thanks

[scarlet mortar]

you should account for skill cycling in general discussion bc technically instant DP skills have the fastest speed

so pioneers S1 or blacknight S1 would win

[shell arch]

I usually use pioneers s1 strictly only when in sss so yeah, thanks

[scarlet mortar]

i bring up blacknight bc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPJWE5MKKjE

[shell arch]

The last achinaluan jungle map with deck point printing equipment left me with too much deck point but no dp to cycle the deck

[scarlet mortar]

the only time in the game you'll ever see 9 DP/s

[shell arch]

Oh yeah the broken gadgets in MH collab

[scarlet mortar]

good stuff

[tall cairn]

[vernal lion]

well, in is4 they will win with aspd relic

I remember Ines s2m3 with 350 aspd can generate 80 dp after skill

[shell arch]

I haven't even played is3 yet you hit me with is4

[proper scroll]

Who are the best combo operators for swire alter in base?

[shell arch]

Gnosis cc + silverash jaye

But proviso is better to go with them

Proviso best partner in tp lvl3 is glasglow gang anyway

[shell arch]

dies of gif

[vernal lion]

Domain Expansion: Super Sonic Cut

[random widget]

I hate this enemy

[scarlet mortar]

CC#9 players relate

[civic bear]

The guy on his left is more hated

[soft crystal]

Ftt is a relatively easy boss

[drowsy jewel]

Ya can burst it at it's spawn

[weak gazelle]

that little shit on the left of TFT is uhhh💀

[latent monolith]

I mean without CC risks it's pretty trivial but yea

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-its-fun-doe-arknights-players-be-like-gif-26262160

Without CC risks it neither one shots nor outranges everything you can throw at it

[steep coral]

I hate pancho

I cant beat it

He always give wave shock

My all operator is dead

[steep coral]

Ez

Give sliverash+jalla s3

[latent monolith]

just use lee fr

ftt who

[void terrace]

He sits there so long you can surtur or anyone him from a safe distance

[opal kiln]

I made the original gif for this btw

no credits.....

[lapis hornet]

damn finally a content creator that creates good content

[scarlet fulcrum]

He stand there for long time indeed, left and bott tiles literally free

[timid schooner]

literally dont know how tf i manage to reach this far with those team lmao

[limpid siren]

i made it

[spark sinew]

the bigger question is why are you borrowing bag

roster looks solid enough

[limpid siren]

omg hauckindu hiii

[spark sinew]

also turns out you can get deatless? medal on emergencies

i have 0 idea why i didn't have it from normal

[void terrace]

Deathless medal?

[cosmic thicket]

this is a roster ever

[foggy grove]

no retry medal

[spark sinew]

eh just use them as a fodder
seems fine wouldn't pick e1 defenders though, but maybe they're doing the quest

[cosmic thicket]

there's also this and 5 medics

[spark sinew]

yeah not using the devices is hindering the progress, can't comment on the particular one since i don't really use it

medics can technically be used as shitty supporters

[spark sinew]

this or similar

a bit more vanguards, adding specs and then borrowing something better would allow you to steamroll, i'm sure

[spark sinew]

oh yeah while you're here, i assume your squad also rolled over the emergency mama john?

some of the "carries" i wanted to test in mine just...suck

was pretty enlightening exp

[cosmic thicket]

which squad, the serious one or the low end one

[vernal lion]

hmm

so as long as the balls are stopped, they will turn into star

[spark sinew]

both i suppose

i did it with high end because i'm just a white name 🛌

[cosmic thicket]

normal squad destroys it very consistently, low end needs lin very fast or it dies

[spark sinew]

cy or exalter for example kinda suck