strategy

[viscid raft]

ok im ready owl, take me to the glory land

[jovial nest]

you're for sure new

it doesn't include the newer 5*

those are for longer players

[sand sand]

just got it yesterday

[jovial nest]

hmmmm

[loud edge]

Oh you're going somewhere

[sand sand]

hm?

[loud edge]

Just no where good

[sand sand]

no like fr i just got downloaded arknights yesterday and got 2 5* op selector via mail

[viscid raft]

oh

[scarlet mortar]

they're fine lmao

not everyone starts out with 4 6*s

[loud edge]

Do you know the pathing for the enemies?

[scarlet mortar]

SL-8 is practically walled off anw

[viscid raft]

yes

[jovial nest]

based on what you've shown in your operators at top.....Nearl

you guys agree?

they have Thorns

it can't be Lappland

[scarlet mortar]

if you want a clear now sure, but they're not going to be able to farm it

[sand sand]

i heard someone saying i need more dmg doe

[scarlet mortar]

i'd get specter tbh

[jovial nest]

dude

lemme tell you something about Specter 5*

I used her

and.....unless S2 is active

[sand sand]

hm?

[jovial nest]

her damage ain't great

[scarlet mortar]

that's only if i had to recc they pick someone

my actual advice is go do recruitments and stack more 4*s

[loud edge]

I going to try something to see if it's possible with the current rooster

[scarlet mortar]

none of the 5*s there will significantly help

[viscid raft]

ok, i will be praying

[jovial nest]

yeah i don't mind Specter there too

go for that

[sand sand]

sure

[jovial nest]

i checked someone i helped before too

same list

yeah

not a lot of good options

for damage

[sand sand]

right, what should i do now?

rush story?

[dark glade]

im pretty sure the unknown guy doesnt even have e2 to borrow e2 ling

your cow is still mooing

[scarlet mortar]

nab the 3*s for now and spam all the recruitments you get for good ops

[dark glade]

[sand sand]

zamn.

[scarlet mortar]

check tag combos via the bot command here

[sand sand]

how do you do that?

[scarlet mortar]

uhhh i don't use commands here

#bot-spam scroll through to find a help command or sth

[viscid raft]

uhhhh possibly

[dark glade]

waiy but you can clear to sl-7?

the power of sheer borrow?

[south bone]

Surely it will go as planned when i finally use sanity

[viscid raft]

i can auto sl-6 but not s7

[dark glade]

i actually commend you that you can go that far

most new ppl just stuck on sl-4

[viscid raft]

its called looking at guides and just placing in who i have randomly and hope it works

[dark glade]

sl-8 is close to impossible with e1 only

guide also wont help

[viscid raft]

yeah i was looking at several low rarity guides and i couldnt do it even when following them

guides meaning the video

[dark glade]

because they have max skill max trust

on new account like this it will be super scuffed

[jovial nest]

only do maybe up to end of chapter 1

just to unlock event

then you do event stages

until you can no longer beat the stages

you want as much event shop currency as possible

[viscid raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUYSzJXBQOU&ab_channel=KyoStinV

i used this video for sl-7

[jovial nest]

yeah thats the problem with low rarity guides

[dark glade]

but there are no video for sl-8

[jovial nest]

it might not be considering

how much 100% trust carries

[dark glade]

sl-6/7 are the easier one

while sl-8 boss is...

[jovial nest]

i wonder why

[dark glade]

there is one

[viscid raft]

[dark glade]

13 ops from i love amiya

but thats not even a guide

[jovial nest]

if it's low rarity...it has a LOT of asterisks

[loud edge]

Never let me cook again

I failed

[viscid raft]

Nooooooooooooooooooo

youre the only chef i can rely on

[jovial nest]

its not exactly easy to kill Dolly as a new-ish player

there's no stall strats capable

its pure DPS checking

[round yew]

Are you just trying to clear sl-8?

[viscid raft]

yeah for the furniture

[loud edge]

If you could get an e2 op I could give you much better options

[viscid raft]

its the last piece i need

[loud edge]

Well there is always reruns

[round yew]

wasn't there a cursed video with 3* doing it?

[loud edge]

I have a feeling I know who did it

[acoustic fox]

Still not enough damage

[viscid raft]

if i grind the manganese from the event shop and get dualchip for weedy i can e2 her

is that worth

[round yew]

is weedy even helpful on that map?

[scarlet mortar]

E2 weedy kinda does a lot of nothing for you rn

[loud edge]

Chen alter

[viscid raft]

well i need to unlock e2 on someone to get e2 for support unit right?

[round yew]

it's probably just better to e2 a 4* (if you don't have any e2) just to borrow

[scarlet mortar]

yh, but not the 6*

[latent monolith]

Does weedy cannon on fountain spread white fart

[scarlet mortar]

raise a good 4* that you'll also keep using for most stages

[strange hazel]

i mean theoretically this might be possible but so can an e1 lv1 sniper

[loud edge]

No

[strange hazel]

i love using weedy but she's so situational, your e2 should be someone who sees good use in over half the maps

[acoustic fox]

Gravel lol

[strange hazel]

either that or someone who can work well with support units

(eg: myrtle to place them down fast, cuora / a healer to stall for dps, etc)

[acoustic fox]

Or myrtl

[viscid raft]

im looking at everyone but i dont have enough mats to get them to e2

[loud edge]

I know who would be good pick

[strange hazel]

yeah you'll have to grind for that unfortunately. just keep doing events / integrated strategies / cert shop (and if nothing else, grind the most efficient stages) and you'll get them eventually

actually maybe not IS for your first e2

[viscid raft]

So i have to give up my dream of beating sl-8 this time around ig

[strange hazel]

have you farmed the sl6/sl7 materials

[viscid raft]

i cant sl7 auto but i have 60 of the sl6 mat now

[loud edge]

You can't be blamed though plus there is always other rugs

[viscid raft]

thank you for trying though owl, i apperciate you and everyone else that tried for me

[strange hazel]

^^ this, i certainly couldn't beat event bosses first time i got to them

[loud edge]

Navis still haunts my dreams

[acoustic fox]

Isn't there a video where they use shirayuki?

[strange hazel]

ya was such a nightmare for my e1 account, my main dps was firewhistle

[loud edge]

[dark glade]

you can with borrowed max texalter, but you will need a drone solution

[strange hazel]

i had no other form of aoe

[viscid raft]

idk is there?

[loud edge]

He needs to kill the boss

[strange hazel]

you can infi stunlock the boss right?

[dark glade]

texalter kill the boss

it took 6 cycle

but it kill the boss

[inner leaf]

alright i tried leaving the sheep alone, stage fail
the pink smoke everywhere means all my ops are dead
and having to use 25 dp for every bottle means my dp is too tight
april did not help much, although that might've been because i only found an e1 max in support

[strange hazel]

terra research commission and gravel

or justice knight if you don't want garbage rng

you have 8 dp to block and robot + gravel is barely enough

[dark glade]

then you need someone to take care of the drone, and multihit for p2 to stunlock

it will be just too much to follow

[viscid raft]

wait so who is the best person to unlock e2 first in my lineup

[inner leaf]

ooh i didnt try the cats
thats a neat idea i'll see
i just tried friston and he dies to the casters too

[acoustic fox]

Yeah shirayuki by Dr silvergun

https://youtu.be/tSvr5pYWPmo?si=1dLZ_R865N9sOjDg

4 stars

[strange hazel]

weird take but cuora/cutter

[loud edge]

Myrtle or Coura

[strange hazel]

people will say myrtle but i don't think you're going to have DP issues with your squad

[loud edge]

Fair enough

[strange hazel]

myrtle is only a good e2 if you can master that s1 fast

[jovial nest]

try to lane on the right. Only issue there is you'll be a bit more split

[loud edge]

What levels?

[jovial nest]

and left lane might struggle a bit

[viscid raft]

i dont have any e2 units

wait so coura is best?

[strange hazel]

someone beat it with just 3*'s i think and the trick was just hitting the boss with 5-6 operators at once since it keeps using the smoke attack

and just stalling itself

[loud edge]

Best tank you have right now

[strange hazel]

tanks work very well w/ support units

[viscid raft]

ok i will work on e2 coura first then

[strange hazel]

most of the time your support is a dps nuker and someone who can keep enemies in place for their skills to charge / redeployment is very valuable

[acoustic fox]

Jaye is literally only there to take clouds

[strange hazel]

is he faster than yato

[dark glade]

cuora is bad 1st e2 imo

id say even myrle e2 better

[strange hazel]

well i was going to suggest pinecone but she's not here

[jovial nest]

DPS carry is ALWAYS first E2

no questions asked

[dark glade]

do you have click?

but what even click mats

[jovial nest]

DPS is the main solution to every map

[acoustic fox]

Maybe I should just try and use swire alter lolol

[strange hazel]

agree with the above but i don't remember seeing a good dps unit

[loud edge]

🔵 if e2

[strange hazel]

ill check again

jaye without myrtle e2 and modules feels like asking for torture

estelle is going to die very quickly against elites which are almost certainly the main problem

[dark glade]

oh btw

even if you e2 someone

you cant farm the stage

so better just....

[strange hazel]

oh right, there's that

[dark glade]

enjoy the other side of the game

[acoustic fox]

Can dolly be hit by swire alts bottles?

[strange hazel]

story is fun if you're at a reasonable level for it

[dark glade]

no dolly is hover bottle is grounded

[acoustic fox]

Damn even when knocked down?

[dark glade]

on knockdown you can hit with anything

[acoustic fox]

Maybe.... I'll try with swire alter

Lolol

[loud edge]

❌

[strange hazel]

i made jaye work ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[acoustic fox]

For sl s 5 cm?

[strange hazel]

oh you weren't talking about EX

carry on

forgot which map you were referring to

[acoustic fox]

My paaaiiin

[void terrace]

Welcome to CM

[acoustic fox]

Sl s 4 was easier for me to cm

[dark glade]

same

[acoustic fox]

Im like even trying to use thrm

It's never enough

[glass monolith]

I don't think normal fatigue stacks with white smoke

Could be wrong

[strange hazel]

btw does true damage get affected by smoke

[inner leaf]

nope didnt work
any other ideas

[loud edge]

[foggy grove]

White smoke yes

[foggy grove]

Pink nah

[acoustic fox]

It might just work tho

Swire alt

[viscid raft]

I can finally auto sl-7

[loud edge]

👍

[dark glade]

but you will never farm it

[viscid raft]

also i wanted to ask another question, is anyone from the side story or those event stories better then the ones i have right now? So that i can maybe e2 them first if there's another option

[jovial nest]

it takes a LONG while to records restor

[strange hazel]

welfares are generally not that good but kroos alter has seen a lot of use with recent enemies

[foggy grove]

Tequila is strong dps

[jovial nest]

do not forget

[strange hazel]

oh no record rest

nvm

[round yew]

they are 5 stars and 1 6star, require more mats than 4 stars

[jovial nest]

you have to clear a lot of content from those events

wait no

how much just to unlock welfare and pot6?

[strange hazel]

no they're definitely very doable

~5 stages for welfare

[round yew]

All the normal stages most of the time

[strange hazel]

beat the entire [normal stage set] for pot6 i think

[jovial nest]

is letter really that far?

i don't remember that

[tidal sedge]

So close

[round yew]

yea
the unit itself is pretty early though
Usually ~5th stage

[jovial nest]

what is 30 points of records restore?

[acoustic fox]

What if I put swire alt on these two squares

[jovial nest]

30 out of 60

[dark glade]

30 stars

[jovial nest]

gives pot 6

so 3*....of 10 stages

yeah

pot6 comes later

unlock welfare first

Tequila is solid af

[strange hazel]

robin and tequila are probably decent? haven't used either, but the rest aren't worth from what i've seen

[jovial nest]

as a carry

Robin....don't think about Robin for now

[viscid raft]

so welfare?

or tequila

[jovial nest]

lemme check every event first

[dark glade]

should be teq + gladia

[strange hazel]

i'm pretty sure they're just good because of their subclasses

oh right gladiia is out

[dark glade]

dosoles + stultivera navis unlock

[strange hazel]

but she's expensive

[jovial nest]

Gladiia!

Gladiia, Tequila, Lumen

are solid

[round yew]

sal viento, under tides

[foggy grove]

Glad is not that good for newb tbh

[loud edge]

You only need 15 stars for teq and 27 for pot6

[dark glade]

if IW rerun avalable we would suggest krooster but its not

[jovial nest]

it actually is

[dark glade]

its not really good but i dont there other option are any better anyway

[jovial nest]

the less options

the better Gladiia becomes

flexible too

in late game

[loud edge]

Washing machine of doom

[jovial nest]

nah

her S3 ain't actually the best to use ngl

the damage is meh in it

[viscid raft]

so tequila and who else?

[loud edge]

For da memes

[glass monolith]

Tequila is good base combo and can be used as mini mlynar.
Gladiia is OPest puller in gmae because i think no other puller can stack S1 uses or have duration based S2.
Astgenne is my chain caster of choice
Kroos alter is Exu we deserve

[jovial nest]

for ministories, the welfares aren't all that good

[foggy grove]

You need some investment for glad to be decent

[round yew]

gladiia from under tides
the event is cool too

[glass monolith]

EGGS AND FLOWER EVERYWHERE AAAAAAAAAA

[loud edge]

Do not send my boy into the seaborn

[viscid raft]

i am more confused now

[round yew]

it's not that bad..

[viscid raft]

I feel like im hearing gibberish cause i dont know these terms

[strange hazel]

getting that gladiia merge will be pretty bad

[viscid raft]

high level players talking to each other makes me blow up

[loud edge]

He doesn't have a wondering medic

[south bone]

Almond S1 also hold charges i think

but who uses her anyway

[strange hazel]

you don't need wandering medics to clear

[foggy grove]

You don't need wandering medic for sv

[strange hazel]

they weren't out yet right

[jovial nest]

yeah its just Gladiia Tequila

prioritize Tequila

[foggy grove]

They literally don't exist before

[glass monolith]

Is she Zalak? 🐀

[viscid raft]

ok

[foggy grove]

[viscid raft]

and should i e2 tequila or coura first

[jovial nest]

wandering medics are a luxury for UT

makes shit so brainless

[foggy grove]

Not cuora for sure

[jovial nest]

tequila

[foggy grove]

Dps always a prio to e2 first

[south bone]

a chihuahua

[jovial nest]

DPS > Tank > Healing

simple as that

[viscid raft]

so tequila e2 first

[jovial nest]

more DPS makes people tank less
more tankiness makes people heal less

[viscid raft]

is tequila better than lapp?

[jovial nest]

why the comparison?

you have Lapp?

Lapp aint even on the same role

[viscid raft]

oh, i thought tequila was a dps

[jovial nest]

he is

he can be your boss killer too

he just won't lane

he's a bomb needing to charge

that's whats gonna be Tequila for you

you drop him. He does nothing most of the time

then you make him explode when he needs to

[glass monolith]

Then you press S2 and swing swing swing

[viscid raft]

ok i will e2 the ticking time bomb first

[glass monolith]

I used him on Frostnova fight first time i did it. Somehow she decided to not tile ban him

[jovial nest]

FN is so goddamn RNG it's annoying

even the tile bans are RNG

almost no 2 attempts are alike

[viscid raft]

also theres a bit of a problem, which story name are they under

[jovial nest]

on what FN feels is worth banning

[jovial nest]

Dossoles Holiday

on Side Story

[round yew]

dossoles holiday and under tides

[viscid raft]

ty

[jovial nest]

he's gonna experience the other summer event

heh

[round yew]

I haven't started dossoles yet, is it that bad?

[glass monolith]

Do you have any casters?

[loud edge]

❌

[strange hazel]

getting pot 1 isn't hard in any event right

[round yew]

[jovial nest]

if your aim is to only get Tequila

you're not hitting its worst portions

[void terrace]

What's FN?

[jovial nest]

Frostnova boss

[void terrace]

Oh frost nova

Chey

Is dolosses bad?

It was only painful in the past caus elemental DMG was still novel and painful

But even then a good buffs and now eyjalter should trivalise the whole event

Pancho was a weak boss too unlike a certain volcanic sheep cough cough

Tequilas only welfare nerf is his inability to hit arial enemies but he's definitely a unit worth grinding for

[jovial nest]

you call it a nerf

it's called not being Mlynar

[loud edge]

❌

[jovial nest]

he has never changed

so the term nerf is incorrect

[loud edge]

Flaw

[jovial nest]

i mean....

it still baffles me

how Degen S3 hits air

[loud edge]

Long sword

[jovial nest]

dude

she used her twin sword breakers

THE SHORTER SWORDS

[loud edge]

Really long short swords

[glass monolith]

Dude she literally walked through metal wall of burning death trap house to tell Silverash "Bitch you don't die while i am your bodyguard" and walked out. And you question such small details

[polar steppe]

the wizards keep killing my units

[glass monolith]

Have you tried giving your units white smokeium?

Chen included

Also it is little weird having nobody on fountain tile with amount of sheep which will pile up down there

[foggy grove]

that tile near eben is perfect for chen

[polar steppe]

thank you, i hate the explosive sheep

[scarlet mortar]

was ze fucke is that eben tile

if you're not ch'alter abusing at least commit and have eben one tile right

(it's still unoptimal

tbh more like have eben facing the spawn of those big guys

[flint falcon]

brute force players

[scarlet mortar]

ch'alter covering the double lane on the geyser tile

and splash white on everyone with soda so they don't get pwned

blem's tile is kinda eh, if zook has Xmod3 put him there facing down

blem's gonna get saturated with mobs where she is and eben's not helping bc he's eben

[jovial nest]

this is one of the few events where ignoring mechanics REALLY goddamn hurts

[scarlet mortar]

i think the next summer event should turn tiles red or blue

and either you/the enemy get invincibility or take 2x of damage as true damage

[dark glade]

change the vertical nuke to horizontal

and make mapwide nuke instant

[quick pecan]

@turbid badge no longer broken (derogatory) but broken (affectionate)

[gray stone]

How the fuck does it take you this long

Module I understand
Not M3

[quick pecan]

polymerization beat my ass + no devices

[gray stone]

Straight

We taking away your privileges

You must spark Zuo Le to redeem yourself

or Hoederer

[quick pecan]

i am actually saving for him

it’s hoederer -> zuo le saving

💀

[gray stone]

Men

[tidal sedge]

That doesn't sound too bad

[quick pecan]

have 75 for hoederer + near pity for a 6*

[gray stone]

I'm not surviving the next 6 months

I like both men and women

💀

[quick pecan]

i might fold for either degen or ray

not both

but maybe one

[gray stone]

Fuck it, I pull all

Every banner except Jessishit and Hoederer (regretfully)

[quick pecan]

@gray stone also i’ve been building so many 5* that my 6* progression just fucked off entirely

[gray stone]

My CN account somehow has pot5 Greyy alt

idk

[quick pecan]

wtf salmon dalao

i need two more i’m p4

[gray stone]

Not complaining

ATK pot is the shit

[tidal sedge]

Speaking of 5*s, Wan Qing grants +25 aspd. Actually looking forward to him now

[gray stone]

Wait hold up

is this all classes

[quick pecan]

22% hp buff too

[tidal sedge]

Afaik ye, they need to face same direction as him and be within surrounding 8 tiles

[gray stone]

Myrtle powercrept definitely now

[brave sun]

@jovial nest do you have a raised gavialter i can borrow?

[gray stone]

The Myrtle copers will be saying "Myrtle is cheaper to raise" as if it fuckingg matters

[quick pecan]

oh wait i lied

it goes form 9% -> 13% not stacking

[jovial nest]

S2M3 i gather?

[tidal sedge]

His s2 healing is 120-128 hps from e2 50-80

[jovial nest]

it does....for anyone stupid enough to raise a flag as a new player

[quick pecan]

he’s actually pretty good

[brave sun]

preferably moduled with s2 and s3 m3

myrtle still better than wan qing cos IS

[jovial nest]

i only have...

S2M3 no mod

[brave sun]

😦

[gray stone]

Good for you for acknowledging new players should not touch flags

[brave sun]

thank you anyhow

[tidal sedge]

Yeah. Im honestly surprised his aspd buff is so similar to Ely's

[jovial nest]

no need then?

[brave sun]

yeah

[jovial nest]

good luck out there

[quick pecan]

53 aspd to my anti airs with ely s2 + wanqing s2

[gray stone]

The massive condition will turn people off

[quick pecan]

we about to cook

also i looked at grain buds

[jovial nest]

his looks turn me off

[quick pecan]

she’s acceptable but not anywhere near noteworthy

[gray stone]

Just say you wank to Myrtle

jk

[jovial nest]

I mean

its because it started way before Ely even existed in the game

[tidal sedge]

She looks Proviso 2 to me

[jovial nest]

thats where Myrtle set the throne

hard

and its hard to make people who built Myrtle build other flags

[gray stone]

He can't buff anyone in the front line it seems
He's surprisingly competitive

[jovial nest]

especially to P6 Ely too

[gray stone]

P2 already clears Myrtle wdym

[quick pecan]

pretty much yeah

[jovial nest]

asking peeps to have Ely P2. I know it sounds common

but not really

just borrow

[tidal sedge]

The next 5* decel will be arts Greyyter surely

[jovial nest]

flags are the easiest borrows anyway

[gray stone]

Borrow a flag?

[jovial nest]

if you're not borrowing a huge carry

welcome to late game players

where you don't borrow cores

you borrow those you'd rather not bring

[gray stone]

that's

not

[quick pecan]

jusan myrtle cope runs deep

[jovial nest]

you have everyone you need

[gray stone]

[jovial nest]

dude i use Ely S1M3

i'm lucky a friend has it

p6 too

[tidal sedge]

question, was the last challenge supposed to use the soda 5 times or below?

[tropic valve]

fun challenge for anyone who finished everything: try doing SL-MO-1 without ranged tiles and without steam bottles

[gray stone]

Don't make me bring out Thorns

[scarlet mortar]

"fun"

[dark glade]

pretty sure its 8 or more soda

[quick pecan]

my elysium is p6 m6

[jovial nest]

My besto frendo

[gray stone]

so right bestie

[spark sinew]

do you want 2 ely suppo... oh right i remembered

[gray stone]

Borrowing niche support is cool but like
Why a flag out of all things

[tidal sedge]

really? am I hallucinated by the mandela effect?

[gray stone]

I keep a lot niche stuff in my support but not flags

[dark glade]

because jusan has 12 fixed main ops

[jovial nest]

cause its really helpful since my squad does eat a bit of DP

[dark glade]

[jovial nest]

and i ain't joking

[glass monolith]

35% def down because fuck boss 1080 DEF

[gray stone]

Oh you play permanent fixed squad

[glass monolith]

Or which stage we talk right now

[jovial nest]

no juggs....but 2 FRDs, 1 semi FRD, and 1 redep

[dark glade]

the trim medal is red, not silver

[jovial nest]

Chalter's also not cheap

heh

[strange hazel]

wait why do people think this

it took me like two months to get my first myrtle

[jovial nest]

carried me hard but she ain't cheap

[tropic valve]

yeah Elysium is great for Dolly

DEF down, sniper ASPD, DP, all around a great unit

[gray stone]

Good, they saved you from progression damage

[strange hazel]

so i wasn't exactly new then, but the concept of 'deploy some other cheap unit to bodyblock so myrtle doesn't leak' isn't too difficult

[gray stone]

Pioneers are the way

[jovial nest]

and as someone who might use both Typhon and Chalter sometimes....Ely is much more appealing by a mile

[strange hazel]

it's not that hard, you just build myrtle and fang

[jovial nest]

i mean...

ngl

[gray stone]

It's not that hard, you just build Fang and Vigna

[jovial nest]

outside of Fang

[gray stone]

or Fang and Courier

[jovial nest]

Courier not exactly immediately obtained

[tropic valve]

he's slightly less good with ammo snipers since ASPD makes them empty their ammo faster, but still good if you want to squeeze out DPS fast

[gray stone]

or Fang and Scavenger

or the free Texas

[dark glade]

vigna first e2 letsgooo

[jovial nest]

Scav sounds fine yeah...

[scarlet mortar]

vigna carried me early game

[jovial nest]

Texas...

[dark glade]

also scav sucks

[upbeat zephyr]

Ok I entered chat for the first time

[dark glade]

scav doesnt help

[jovial nest]

as someone who had Siege and Texas as my VGs

Texas,,,,

[dark glade]

and texas need you to brick base/too long to obtain

[jovial nest]

can't handle 2 dogs

[scarlet mortar]

zima + vigna 💪

[strange hazel]

i guess myrtle dp in the earlygame is totally overkill

[jovial nest]

she dies....

[strange hazel]

but it's nice to not even think abt it

[jovial nest]

Texas has the tankiness of who should only have 1 block

[scarlet mortar]

i literally start the game with bagpipe at home

[jovial nest]

its like Vanilla cursed her

with soft af body

[gray stone]

The most common early problem is that you lack DPS or tankiness to interact with enemies

[long epoch]

wdym scav has been always more reliable to me.

[jovial nest]

ah CC2

memories

first time i learned of Vents = invis

[strange hazel]

yeah but myrtle refunds her cost extremely fast

[jovial nest]

and Faust mechanics

imagine learning about Faust before you hit 1 month

[gray stone]

She does nothing

but DP

New players don't want much DP until their team cost enough to justify that slot

[strange hazel]

it usually takes around 15 seconds before an enemy reaches your frontline

[gray stone]

Ok and?

Is she going to solve your Defender dying to a Militant?

[spark sinew]

keyword on usually
if myrtle starts blocking a dog and then gets enough sp, your options are not pretty

[strange hazel]

well yeah in a rush level (see: ch7) you don't place myrtle first lmao

[gray stone]

Then what's her purpose lmao

[spark sinew]

either not use the skill (and maybe she even fails to duel the dog, cause new player and all) or leak it

[long epoch]

Vanguard is pretty much the most flexible roster to build around. Just use what you like and works for you.

[dark glade]

i cant load images help

[gray stone]

If you don't place flag down first, maybe just use other Vanguards

[strange hazel]

i guess if you're gunning immediately for blockbody + dps you don't need myrtle

[spark sinew]

new players (and older stages) don't have a need for the flag level of dp, with a lot more caveats like "can't always place them first"

[strange hazel]

but myrtle still solves new players being bad at retreat timing

[spark sinew]

and we really shouldn't tell new players "just raise a flag, pioneer and a charger. easy"

[dark glade]

wait is that the problem

[gray stone]

She does not

[strange hazel]

yeah that's honestly fair

[upbeat zephyr]

Bruh guys I always looking vanguard with 5 or 6 stars for gain high C but yet myrtle is always damn win I just tired of it sigh ok whatever I'll use her for high gain C

[strange hazel]

you don't need three vanguards

[scarlet mortar]

flags are mega crutch i'm ngl, early game hardly needs vg's if you're playing well

[long epoch]

Or you can raise Mountain and don't use Vanguard at all.

[dark glade]

early game now is just mountain

[gray stone]

Early game needs Vanguards, they just don't need a Flag specifically

[scarlet mortar]

if you're playing normally a somewhat sturdy pioneer already covers enough

[dark glade]

is s-5 early game

[scarlet mortar]

yes as in i sleep

[gray stone]

2 Pioneers are cool

[jovial nest]

new players would love pioneers a lot

they tend to have issues with damage

[upbeat zephyr]

Lol yeah

[jovial nest]

so 2 block is nice

just....hope it ain't Vanilla and Texas

they're not gonna tank a lot

[gray stone]

That's exactly why you shouldn't touch flag as a new player

[jovial nest]

not even dogs

[strange hazel]

really not a fan of vanilla

[gray stone]

No one cares about Vanilla

[upbeat zephyr]

I'm not new Player I'm old player

[strange hazel]

there was one time i found use for her over fang

[gray stone]

It's just Fang and Cuorier

[jovial nest]

how fast can a new player get Courier?

cause he ain't instantly there

[gray stone]

I got him in my first week on CN but doesn't remember which day

[strange hazel]

also what's the reason to prefer a charger over myrtle

[gray stone]

Is he before or after Gavial

[strange hazel]

assume we're talking about plume/vigna and not say bagpipe

[gray stone]

They actually hold lanes

[scarlet mortar]

they offload as guards

vigna is still pretty dang strong

[dark glade]

pretty sure courier is first day

[gray stone]

ya probably

[strange hazel]

yeah, but that's at moderately high investment no?

[dark glade]

by 1st day i mean the next reset

[scarlet mortar]

E1 vigna is enough for the early game

[strange hazel]

melantha still does guard things better than plume and vigna

[gray stone]

E1 Vigna works
Even E1 Plume works
But E1 Myrtle can't hold the lane early for her life

[scarlet mortar]

sure, but now you don't have to raise melantha

[strange hazel]

that +1 dp on kill isn't really doing anything apart from anni

[scarlet mortar]

stuff like that

[upbeat zephyr]

Bagpipe.... Hmmmm we need DP ... So forget her

[foggy grove]

charger actually full refund their dp so you can place something better later

[nova wing]

Chargers are fun vs slugs.

[scarlet mortar]

just being a strong body means you don't have to raise another dps op

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah

[strange hazel]

ye makes sense

[gray stone]

Please just end this
Flags aren't good for early game except in Annihilation

[strange hazel]

also it does get new players used to retreating ops when not necessary

[upbeat zephyr]

So we're waiting for typhon .... TYPHOOOOON

[dark glade]

wait faster

[jovial nest]

someone has played Marvel fighting games

[gray stone]

You need to hold dogs early
Myrtle is shit at dog rushes

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah lol.

[jovial nest]

Myrtle is more shit at early mobs

[spark sinew]

some "early" maps are tough to open on

[jovial nest]

since she can't do her job

[upbeat zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-gif-23856077

[jovial nest]

same for any flag

[spark sinew]

i'm fairly sure they were made with chargers in mind

because dp refund and all

[brave sun]

get her to the 500 attack breakpoint peeps

[jovial nest]

yeah something new players don't have versatility of choice

[strange hazel]

pioneers also sort of die fast on ch7

[long epoch]

Exu is also the great Vanguard that hold the rush mob well.

[jovial nest]

ummm

[gray stone]

Ch7 is not early game bud

[jovial nest]

might be because ch7 has bufftastic synergy

[strange hazel]

i don't think there's many hard doggo rushes before that

[jovial nest]

oh

OH

[spark sinew]

i remember this map specifically

[strange hazel]

the only stupid hard earlygame was 5-3

[jovial nest]

have you experienced...

CH11 DOGS?

[dark glade]

not on S stage its all fuckery

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah but we can't remove her CUZ SHE'S HAS DAMN INSANE SKILL TO GAIN DP THAN THOSE DAMN 6 STARS

[strange hazel]

well yeah that's a hard earlygame but not something vanguards are fixing

[gray stone]

cap

[jovial nest]

flags for midgame

NEVER early game

for players btw

not the map

[scarlet mortar]

never needed that DP gen

[upbeat zephyr]

Not always.

[scarlet mortar]

she's the most useful when you're tryharding

[jovial nest]

sometimes late

i agree

either way

[spark sinew]

i mean you fix the leaking of slugs by deploying like vigna, then retreating her for defender afaik

[jovial nest]

flags aren't gonna be helpful early on for a player

[spark sinew]

been so long

[gray stone]

I honestly think that you can just skip on flag if you aren't playing with multiple 30+ DP units

[jovial nest]

when everyone has shitty stats

[dark glade]

i think with the context i agree that flag sucks

[jovial nest]

and lower DP costs

[brave sun]

oh nvm, i rmb this one

[upbeat zephyr]

Only for players who doesn't have vanguards with gain high DP

[brave sun]

eyja s2 supremacy

[gray stone]

who are
check notes
other flags

[strange hazel]

in the above map, pinecone outdid chalter (e1, during my first clear)

[scarlet mortar]

i got to chapter 8 without ever raising myrtle what is blud on

[jovial nest]

Ely exists in my vocab.

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah myrtle is lower cost dp but with damn lower skill time with high DP gain

[jovial nest]

[scarlet mortar]

or just flags in general

[brave sun]

did myrtle even exist before ch8?

[scarlet mortar]

isn't she like year 1

[strange hazel]

flags ain't necessary yeah, i guess they're just more of a luxury

[gray stone]

She exist since OF

[upbeat zephyr]

Remember about video in YouTube that myrtle kicked patriot with flag 💀💀💀

[scarlet mortar]

with a morbillion buffs?

[strange hazel]

i have no idea why myrtle has the attack she does

[gray stone]

Because she has shit attack speed

[jovial nest]

theres a reason why Myrtle left an impact

it was a LONG WHILE before Ely existed

[gray stone]

her overall DPS is in the garbage can

[jovial nest]

she was the only flag for a long time

she's also cheap and easy to get

[strange hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i would've expected way less actually

[scarlet mortar]

there's a castle-2 pat kill out there isn't there

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah

[gray stone]

First impressions, lead to parroting and a lot of mind fuckery in certain parts of the community

Exalter good propaganda was spread like 1 week before his release lmao

[long epoch]

Even the most prominent 4* players barely use Myrtle at all.

[strange hazel]

(partially because they don't use vanguards when doing low op)

[foggy grove]

vg is the first thing people optimize out

[gray stone]

I don't think he uses her even normally

[foggy grove]

when doing low op

[upbeat zephyr]

Anyways

[gray stone]

Because 4 stars are dirt cheap in DP

[long epoch]

Because they are not necessary, it doesn't mean because they just doing low op.

[foggy grove]

ines still popping out tho

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah meanwhile Kyo : nope they're master than 6 STARS

[long epoch]

People make a fuss too much about how they generating DP while it's in fact depending on how they spend DP.

[gray stone]

I really need to know how other parts of AK EN think of Exalter compared to Typhon

Apparently the vast majority still thinks the latter is better

[strange hazel]

agree, but generating more DP allows for more brute force strategies to work that require less brain cells

[scarlet mortar]

guide makers have much more biased prios

their job is to make a clear both easy to follow and actually accessible

[foggy grove]

this issue is also compunded even more by existence of frd duo

[scarlet mortar]

that restricts your options and forces more aggressive picks

[foggy grove]

they just spam them

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah but let me ask question is the damn SWIRE alter good?.....

[scarlet mortar]

myrtle is as aggressive a vg pick as you get

[dark glade]

no

im talking to the swire

[gray stone]

wut

[scarlet mortar]

DP gen pick

she's there to minmax

[upbeat zephyr]

I knew damn bruh I pulled 167 to get eyja alter BUT DIDN'T GET HER AND GOT TWO SWIRE ALTER FFFFFFF

[gray stone]

Texas better or Elysium better

depending on the use case

[quick pecan]

tymid

[gray stone]

Texas DP bomb is actualy higher and faster than Myrtle

[scarlet mortar]

guides which bring myrtle aim to get the most out of her DP gen and then get her out of there to deploy meta op number 4

[strange hazel]

is pot 1 elysium better than max pot myrtle anyways

[gray stone]

Yes

[strange hazel]

probably sniper stuff

[gray stone]

Not really

[long epoch]

Myrtle best use case is actually as a pseudo healer.

[scarlet mortar]

jusan mentioned she's an accessible and cheap pick, yh that's a very strong reason she's there in guides

[upbeat zephyr]

Hmmmmm yeah but low block. Elysium has good pet blocks. Remember put 3 blocks in pet and make 5 clone with 3. Skill

[jovial nest]

Ok here's one consideration to Myrtle

she ain't best printer mind

[gray stone]

She's cheap
That's it

[jovial nest]

but her talent makes VGs last a LONG time

don't forget that HoT

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah

[gray stone]

Why would you want Vanguards to last

a long time

[jovial nest]

cause you don't want them dying

before you drop sniper medic

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah

[gray stone]

Or just retreat them

Or simply put a medic

[jovial nest]

i mean i used to use Texas

[gray stone]

Whatever

[jovial nest]

it ain't pretty

Texas can't handle later chapter dogs

[upbeat zephyr]

Then wait for long and boss came but you have low DP ...

[spark sinew]

if they're dying so fast, idt myrtle heal will help that much 🤔

[jovial nest]

Siege had to carry my VG choices

[gray stone]

Which stage is this

[jovial nest]

Texas is there as a backup

[long epoch]

I mean. If your Vanguard can survive, it also means you got to save later operators as the backup on hand.

[strange hazel]

myrtle makes vanguards not die to weak enemies and that's sort of it

[jovial nest]

the HoT usability of Myrtle

[gray stone]

But they already won't die to weak enemies

[strange hazel]

but weak enemies come out at the start anyway

[jovial nest]

is mostly in....older player situations ngl

[steady shale]

Texas is super squishy, used her in 7-9 and even Courier lasted longer than her against simple wolves

[jovial nest]

like you just want to print and forget

and just print 3 times

[upbeat zephyr]

Some stages after 6 chapter... Remember about talulah boss JT-7-3

[steady shale]

The only advantage she has is her skill and even that isn’t too good other than the stun

[jovial nest]

she getting harassed without a medic in range?

no issues

still, not the best selling point

i mean

[gray stone]

You are drastically overselling her healing

[jovial nest]

for example btw

[spark sinew]

she getting harassed by whom
stun snipers? Idk i think everyone else will just kill her through the healing

[jovial nest]

Dolly farts

heh

i used both Ely and Myrtle due to unavailability

[scarlet mortar]

clueless emoji

[strange hazel]

myrtle dies to dolly farts i'm pretty sure

[steady shale]

It’s just hard not to use Myrtle in teams when you need to get units like Thorns, Mudrock and Eyja Alter all down asap

[jovial nest]

so i get to experience both

no i meant the horizontal ones

not the complete map wipe on pure pink cloud 3x3

[strange hazel]

no deepcolor??

[scarlet mortar]

doubt she's good at E1max

[strange hazel]

no mousse?

this is news to me

[steady shale]

Isn’t Saileach and Elysium just better than Myrtle though

[gray stone]

The thing is that it's not "No flag" vs "Myrtle", it's "Ely/Sail" vs " Myrtle"

[scarlet mortar]

oh nvm they just minmaxed

[upbeat zephyr]

I know but need DP without retreat. ... Yeah I remembered nightmare memories of this stage

[jovial nest]

Mousse carries so much boss dueling/stalling for 4* squads

[gray stone]

Ely Sail is a straight up upgrade in every way

[jovial nest]

just Ely it up if you're using a single sniper AT LEAST

[scarlet mortar]

they deadass used beanstalk S2 for DP

[strange hazel]

was it also used for fire tanking

[upbeat zephyr]

And I don't have some of them 💀

[scarlet mortar]

DP gen in general play is extremely generous lmao

[jovial nest]

heh

the utility of Stalk S2

MVP in stalling

[gray stone]

1 DP/s
OMG OVERPOWERED

[scarlet mortar]

for sure

[jovial nest]

MVP in fireball blocking

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah lol

[strange hazel]

correct me if i'm wrong, but deepcolor summons should be able to tank 3 at max lvl (can be spread out to multiple lanes too)

i do respect beanstalk summons though

i used them back when i didn't have deepcolor built

[scarlet mortar]

it's probs bc you don't actually need deepcolor's mapwide control

and instead just want to wait til DBS gets to you

the chokepoint at the left means clumping dps is more preferable than bringing a buncha tentacles

[strange hazel]

is this still jt8-3

[scarlet mortar]

yh

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah

Jt8-3 are nightmare bruh

[strange hazel]

i'm extremely impressed it got down to 5

[scarlet mortar]

mod3 moment

wait

oh nvm that's before mods

just play better ig

[upbeat zephyr]

Hold up what?

[strange hazel]

here i was complaining that sussurro dies to every talulah attack in second phase and thinking mousse was a forced pick

[upbeat zephyr]

Mods of what

[vernal lion]

https://map.ark-nights.com/areas
check top right to switch to English

[scarlet mortar]

none of them have mod3

or even mods at all

[upbeat zephyr]

Maybe

[scarlet mortar]

2 year old record omegalul

[strange hazel]

can sussurro really outheal all of talulah's damage on mato though (who i'm assuming is tanking)

[scarlet mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzGC1P8VvM0

[tidal sedge]

what does the untrimmed medal of sl s 5 challenge like?

[upbeat zephyr]

YOU'RE JUST SHOWING US THAT CHINESE ARKNIGHTS PLAYER 💀💀💀💀

[tidal sedge]

I being mistook the trimmed as untrimmed

[strange hazel]

and i thought one tile stall wouldn't work without deepcolor

or at least gravel and yato

[scarlet mortar]

they're JP

[upbeat zephyr]

Yeah I used her to heal operations fast

[vernal lion]

trim medal is from SL-MO-1

[scarlet mortar]

but uhh so

[tidal sedge]

ok, what is it look like?

[vernal lion]

mini annihilation stage

[tidal sedge]

I meant the medal, not the stage

[vernal lion]

ok let me check

[jovial nest]

its orange sand

different color theme

with the other silver medals

[vernal lion]

@tidal sedge untrimmed / trimmed

[jovial nest]

guess which one is the different one...

[upbeat zephyr]

That sun downing on beach

Hold up different?

[jovial nest]

yeah

[upbeat zephyr]

Idk tell me

[tidal sedge]

So that's what it looks like

[vernal lion]

easiest trimming condition of all time

[tidal sedge]

I've been playing thought I didn't get it

[spark sinew]

the bane of afk anni guide users

[strange hazel]

is it really that hard to place 8 bottles down

[spark sinew]

honestly typhon for the right side of that anni would've been so overkill

[strange hazel]

can't take over a minute

[foggy grove]

apparently

[spark sinew]

but they clearly made it to showcase her

[wicked viper]

it's super easy consider it cost 0 sanity so ya can just retry it

i used erato s1 for right side tho

[spark sinew]

she's a bit weird

[tidal sedge]

just Erato the right side

[spark sinew]

but yeah works for majority of sheeps

[tidal sedge]

is the next event typhon?

[spark sinew]

new event? who knows

[foggy grove]

it's ic

[spark sinew]

just event? ic rerun

[foggy grove]

screw typhon

[spark sinew]

i wonder how easier would this event be with her

i've seen her being hyped for the mini anni for example but like

[scarlet mortar]

no typhon for the two events in a long while with flying bosses

[spark sinew]

mini anni is super trash diff

[tidal sedge]

I want gg because I had her skin

[spark sinew]

[scarlet mortar]

this really is the schedule of all time

[jovial nest]

...welcome to rerun where we can actually experience how CN did SL

have to wait a year for it though

[vernal lion]

this issue has repeated again after Dorothy

[jovial nest]

Dorothy wasn't exactly lighting world of IC on fire

[spark sinew]

i probably won't bother to borrow typhon

only need to do ex8 CM as always anyway

for the "furni"

[spark sinew]

no aa sniper modules made my exu pretty bad against the drone

[jovial nest]

maybe I'll do S maps with practice plans in the future

cause yeah

usual pattern is

only EX-8 CM for rerun

the rest are normal clears

depends where they sprinkled the non-currency

[tidal sedge]

Everyone be like what we had Typhon rn, but nobody talks about how we don't have Santalla for these events

[spark sinew]

would even 5* players use her

[scarlet mortar]

splash caster

[spark sinew]

besides the initial testing

[gray stone]

man

[tidal sedge]

She has some promise

[spark sinew]

p1 quartz

[scarlet mortar]

#strategy might be the only channel where you can expect someone to show up with her

[spark sinew]

🚮

[gray stone]

RR1 gaming has me suffering because he only sets up Quartz or Heidi

[shrewd sparrow]

This stage is lying on where to place block aint it

Bruh my connection is bugging

Idek if pic will send through

Its dm ex4 if it dont

[spark sinew]

you can place blocks wherever

[shrewd sparrow]

I mean optimal position

[spark sinew]

usually the default hints are incomplete yeah

by design

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeh it hints

[spark sinew]

(or even not that good)

[scarlet mortar]

there's like 4 tiles that are basically core

iirc the one they hinted was kinda mid

[shrewd sparrow]

Ah ok

Just checking since it seems to cut down path length by a lot

[scarlet mortar]

most clears do this

then this becomes the kill zone

[viscid raft]

player between honeyberrry & breeze which ones better to get?

[sly drift]

Why I keep failing the time I do the real run without practice ticket

[scarlet mortar]

i'd get neither

[vernal lynx]

mlynar

[scarlet mortar]

honeyberry does see use when you don't want to deal with elemental damage, but she's otherwise a medic which you won't raise yet

breeze is well, breeze

perfumer is cheaper if you need a MT medic and would service you well until late game

[spark sinew]

no blocking left side is really good

[tepid sigil]

No block gang

[sly drift]

Do ppl actually build perfumer when they have ptilopsis already

[scarlet mortar]

i didn't have ptilo until my perfumer was E2

[spark sinew]

they have ines so they can literally never block on the left

[scarlet mortar]

either way a medic is ehh secondary

[tepid sigil]

Ines+mizuki slow is nice

[scarlet mortar]

raise them when you need them

[sly drift]

I choose block harder. My fishes tell me to

[spark sinew]

[sly drift]

The problem is actually the right side.

Those sheep wizard stinky as hell

[spark sinew]

don't let pink puddle to be under your blocker

[viscid raft]

what if i upgrade lancet-2

[tepid sigil]

Right side is as long as your ops' tile is white you have nothing to worries

[spark sinew]

since with your setup you can't put it back

you also can just yato the last 3 "waves"

i think it's 2 wizards, 1 ranged, 2 wizards

[scarlet mortar]

oh hey enemyknights

[spark sinew]

she's up for every one

[scarlet mortar]

plus a couple

[tall cairn]

What’s enemyknights?

[tepid sigil]

A strat where you use ex-enemy

[high warren]

Me when I'd to cope with ling for anni

Not use her anymore

[spark sinew]

not really, but i can see why they would

[tall cairn]

is it bad that I can’t tell which ones were enemies.

[spark sinew]

actually do we count mizuki

[tall cairn]

I see Phantom and Mizuki. That’s about it.

[spark sinew]

mud

with bad art

[tall cairn]

oh right.

[spark sinew]

skadi

[tepid sigil]

Mud, leizi, ines (is she actually considered enemy?) Skalter

[spark sinew]

leizi is not, same with ines

[tall cairn]

[tepid sigil]

More like just different faction

[spark sinew]

the determination flavor text implies he can trasnform into human wherever so he's just being a dick in his fight

[tall cairn]

Oh bruh what.

[spark sinew]

it was like

[tepid sigil]

Well he beat the shit out of me, so he's enemy

[spark sinew]

ok i took some artistic liberties when remembering it

[tepid sigil]

Actually, imma actually do enemyknight

[spark sinew]

so maybe it would just take him a long time 🛌

||just don't use leizi and ines ||

[tall cairn]

[tepid sigil]

Imma pull dorothy

[spark sinew]

rerun "soon"