strategy

[scarlet mortar]

also rip all your towers

at least oren was there

[deft badger]

which of those 2 do i even use?

[quick pecan]

s2

don’t use s1 lol

[jovial nest]

ah yes....the shitter in both story and as an enemy

[deft badger]

i expected him to kill the crusher in anni 3

well it didn't work out

[limpid siren]

always s2

[quick pecan]

he’s a liberator

he crave atk

[scarlet mortar]

don't the elite ones have like 1.5k def

[quick pecan]

his e1 performance and his e2 mastery performance very different

[deft badger]

i just need him to kill one

[scarlet mortar]

the normal ones also have some high number

[deft badger]

he got him down to 30%

that's it

[scarlet mortar]

charged?

[deft badger]

yes

[scarlet mortar]

eh rip

ig that's the limit of SL7

[tidal sedge]

2000 def for red ones

[deft badger]

i wanna avoid to build stupid arene

[scarlet mortar]

sounds abt right

[tidal sedge]

Idk how e1 Tequila does anything to that

[scarlet mortar]

toron mine flashbacks

[quick pecan]

he doesn’t

that’s the thing

[scarlet mortar]

oh wait that teq is E1

ok nvm no shot

[deft badger]

i am talking to the normal one

[quick pecan]

you’re using a burst damage oriented op at e1 ofc they will feel like shit

[deft badger]

he is sl7 i don't even have a training room yet 😄

[tidal sedge]

Trust atk is a big deal for liberators too

[sullen rover]

wtf shu-pilled true?

[deft badger]

dude i didn't say he is shit, i did expect him to kill him 😄

that's something else

[scarlet mortar]

E1 phys options usually don't scale into "fuck your def i have the powah" tier

[quick pecan]

lower your expectations

and understand damage formulas

lol

[deft badger]

when stupid arene e1l50 can do it

[scarlet mortar]

just use arts

[tidal sedge]

0 res moment

[quick pecan]

congrats you learned how arts damage works

[sullen rover]

[dark glade]

no 5 star bad

[foggy grove]

because arene deals art

shocking i know

[deft badger]

have u woke up with the need to look down on to some one today?

u are picking the wrong guy..

[quick pecan]

u r literally operating under the assumption that a unit that is designed around dph would do high dph against high def

at e1

[sullen rover]

s-s-sorry unknown-sama…

[scarlet mortar]

the utter rage of the 10% in the community when arene is not a terrible op

[jovial nest]

I'm so tempted to kick Skalter out to add Chalter

[quick pecan]

like that’s not hard to understand

😭

[spark sinew]

kick skalter out and then kick typhon

[foggy grove]

just kick skaler

[spark sinew]

add chalter +1

[quick pecan]

it’s like if i used an e1 firewatch and called her garbage

[jovial nest]

:savageno

[quick pecan]

i would expect someone to tell me to shut up and level her

[scarlet mortar]

even for the good 6* phys dealers i'd expect them to get destroyed at E1 by a defense crusher lmao

[tidal sedge]

E1 Firewatch bot strats in Anni 3. Ah, the nostalgia

[scarlet mortar]

those guys are the year 0 definition of stat sticks

and the mechanism to play by is using arts

[quick pecan]

mlynar op surely e0 kills ten defense crushers

[scarlet mortar]

how many phys dps ops have more than 1k atk onskill at E1L50

[spark sinew]

s1 mly is funny

[limpid siren]

firewatch my beloved

[spark sinew]

i used it once because i forgot to change him to s2

it's...a skill

[glass monolith]

Ambriel

[quick pecan]

anyway learning to not get your ego crushed when someone tells you how the game works is a really hard skill to have ig

[scarlet mortar]

damn surely she'll target them and not the stray reunion mob

[glass monolith]

She will EVENTUALLY target them

Use more blockers

[quick pecan]

she pogger

i’ve been using andreana for so long tho

my other high dph queen

[verbal sparrow]

chongyue's stock keeps rising in my eyes. he doesn't even care if the sheep are in pink steam

[spark sinew]

e1 40 teq doing 70% of crusher's hp is a testament of how he does quite a damage

but even teq at his finest hour (when released) was compared only to SA in damage

[quick pecan]

i used tequila for reedic anni

waited to finish all my masteries before adding him

[limpid siren]

the silverash vs tequila arguments were fun

because they ignore all of teq's weaknesses and people still didn't raise him

[quick pecan]

i raised him

[limpid siren]

inherently people understand that range and target cap actually do matter

ya but ur dum

[quick pecan]

[limpid siren]

or more politely, the exception proves the rule

[quick pecan]

well idm tequila’s range at least for enemies w only melee attacks

since his 0 block prevents him from blocking them and dying before his s2 is up

[limpid siren]

i'm a big fan of the gatekeeper tech

[foggy grove]

actually maf not mafing

crusher only has 10k

[spark sinew]

0 trust

[foggy grove]

he should clear even 0 trust,he prolly doesn't overcharge

that's 0 trust

[verbal sparrow]

tequila's main problem is just that he's not a 4*

[quick pecan]

deploying tequila / mlynar in enemy area very funny bc they just sit / stand there waiting to murder

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Distracted targeting then?

[foggy grove]

ye prolly or that guy didn't wait full stacks

[quick pecan]

probably early skill activation

[spark sinew]

ptilo trolling again maybe

[foggy grove]

mlynar is kinda brain dead since his cycle match his stacks

[crisp bolt]

viktorlab is dying

[quick pecan]

ptilo trolling me so i check tequila’s attack stat like 5 times before activating s2

[crisp bolt]

slowly

[tidal sedge]

Could you not see his sword?

It glows red at max stacks

[quick pecan]

my eyesight kinda bad

[tidal sedge]

Understandable

[quick pecan]

esp when the map is big

[crisp bolt]

why I play emulator

[tidal sedge]

It can also be tough to see if enemies are on top of him

[quick pecan]

oh also reedic anni he gets covered by

reeds

[tidal sedge]

Or that

[dark glade]

this is why mlynar skin p2w

max stack give halo instead of glowing sword

[quick pecan]

between the reeds, being on fire, and like 20 enemies on screen

i just take it easy on myself and wait for red icon then start checking from there

[foggy grove]

i mean you don't need to check mlynar unless you has ptilo

[limpid siren]

?

[crisp bolt]

this game doesn't want me to clear SL-EX-7

[limpid siren]

tequila is the best 5* dps

[crisp bolt]

just crashed out of it

[limpid siren]

wdym by "he's not a 4*"

he's so far above their budget it's not even funny

[crisp bolt]

probably something something IS but he's really good in IS

[limpid siren]

i don't really agree with that tbh

teq is often my "i guess" draft in IS

[quick pecan]

yeah if you compare total damage and dph

it doesn’t look pretty for most other 5* compared to tequila

and if they have higher dph it’s usually single target or has fewer skill activations

[crisp bolt]

I personally just like how liberators work with relics so I don't mind it

[quick pecan]

or something else

[crisp bolt]

it's something I consider if I get guard draft but not as start obviously

[spark sinew]

[crisp bolt]

liberator start is masochism

[quick pecan]

or you’re specter and have smaller range and go a mimir after 15s

[limpid siren]

it's more that teq isn't on my list of "solves this stage" basically anywhere

he's just generally a fine draft because he hits hard

[quick pecan]

my guard drafts go to exalt

💀

[crisp bolt]

yeah that's why I'd use him anyways is for damage

I'll be honest, I don't like drafting reapers

[limpid siren]

they're good starter picks

[quick pecan]

i love reaper start

but i’ve been starting texalt bc mutual aid

[limpid siren]

reapers tend to destroy the early floors, and at best hold onto some relevance in later floors

[spark sinew]

tanking broods is a good job
idk i feel like some maps you straight up lose all your melee tiles if you don't have a liberator

[limpid siren]

that's not an exclusive task for a liberator though

[spark sinew]

and then obviously they do damage, block2/3 and aoe on skill

what would you use, s1 akafuyu?

[limpid siren]

sure it is true they're well built for it

what

fuck no

for ticket economy teq is still my next pick after like e2 highmore/pluma most days of the week

but not because he's a specific tool

he's just

fine

no glaring weakness

[tall cairn]

good metastatic run, ended at emer wafu.🚮

[limpid siren]

that said, this perspective is unique to someone who refuses to draft a 6*

i'm still more happy to see someone like croissant show up from defender tickets

but that's another story

[quick pecan]

my runs basically go

• open specialist and grab texalt or yato (whoever gets the e2 from rng usually)
• try to get the other one
• draft a healing defender (sometimes two)
• draft exalt

if i have some flexibility with tickets i usually draft reedic or some other caster but that’s generally what my priorities are

there’s probably a 3* medic and some reserve melee in there from vanguard tickets as well

[limpid siren]

this was about where my drafting priorities landed when i was still malding

[spark sinew]

no pluma is interesting

[limpid siren]

no point

highmore has block 3

[spark sinew]

i don't draft reapers except humus, but people who did preferred pluma

for better s2

[limpid siren]

i think those people just didn't raise highmore

[crisp bolt]

I know some people cope that pluma is better than is3 highmore

[spark sinew]

and i honestly didn't like not having good s2 on highmore

[limpid siren]

they're all wrong, but it doesn't matter that much

[spark sinew]

not like her elemental regen matters anyway (or block3 only mattering in very early stages)

[quick pecan]

i do think of drafting horn but when i try to funnel my healing into my defender tickets her priority lowers a decent bit

[spark sinew]

that said i didn't try only 5* so maybe they really need that extra block, who knows

[limpid siren]

(or block3 only mattering in very early stages)
the entire point of reaper start is to crush early floors

so uh

[spark sinew]

i mean humus does it cheaper

[limpid siren]

so go use humus

[spark sinew]

i do

[limpid siren]

[spark sinew]

was just asking for pluma vs highmore

[limpid siren]

yea it's just block count

ele healing can matter in the funny big bob stage

and can be quietly relevant elsewhere

but they both largely trump the same stages

[quick pecan]

my last run was so cringe

like four ops with freeze on deploy debuff

[foggy grove]

that's the least harmless

maybe

[tall cairn]

Have you tried all ops metastatic?

[foggy grove]

[quick pecan]

well it was that

[tall cairn]

On f6 against Izumik.

[quick pecan]

plus yato getting the 1/2 stat debuff

💀

[tall cairn]

Died. Run wasn’t at all fun.

[quick pecan]

game was not letting my executors live in peace

[tall cairn]

🚮

[quick pecan]

texalt with freeze is funny bc if she survived past the 15s and killed then the second s3 was delayed until she was no longer frozen 💀

actually came in handy somewhere i think but it was untientional on my end

it just happened to line up

[spark sinew]

wow brawler mods

[limpid siren]

brawler mods coming?

[quick pecan]

HELLO??

[tidal sedge]

Just brawlers?

[tall cairn]

[tidal sedge]

Oh

[crisp bolt]

[tall cairn]

More atk for Chong?

[quick pecan]

MY DAYS OF 700+ ATK CHONG ARE HERE

[spark sinew]

i mean it looks like teaser for the mod, no?

[tall cairn]

Looks like it.

[limpid siren]

i wonder what the base effects will be

[quick pecan]

@spark sinew ok u win

he will be 90

[spark sinew]

weird how cn lounge didn't post it

[foggy grove]

my chongus will be happy regardless

every atk is big

[verbal sparrow]

I knew my decision to use level 90 voucher on chongyue was correct

[foggy grove]

[spark sinew]

they might get the branch with "more dmg to unblocked targets"

although idk, keep expectations low

[quick pecan]

mountain in shambles

[spark sinew]

else it will be like carne's second mod

just use s3 mountain

like God intended

[tall cairn]

Just don’t use Mountain.

[quick pecan]

but mountain is m*le

[tall cairn]

And.

[quick pecan]

it means he will get used smh

[tall cairn]

Chestnut is male too.

[quick pecan]

are you assuming my chestnut isn’t leveled

[sullen rover]

based windflit enjoyer true?

[tidal sedge]

Hm. What defines brawlers exactly. Rapid hit 1 block, some of them have dodge, and skills are mostly consistent oriented. Hmm.

[spark sinew]

my chestnut is e1 1 while i was experimenting with orundrum

[tall cairn]

I assumed none would level that.

[quick pecan]

need to raise him 😩 this game will never stop baiting me with perro males

[spark sinew]

ok yeah i assumed a lot more brawlers would like that

but it's basically chong and flint

[quick pecan]

the 6*s have caused the archetype to have an identity crisis

[tall cairn]

Basically no other brawler.

[spark sinew]

meanwhile so many brawlers with dodge...

[tall cairn]

So, more dmg to blocked targets yet again?

[tidal sedge]

I could see one module being dodge, the other some kind of atk buff with a minor condition

[sullen rover]

flametail alter brawler angle

[tall cairn]

Maybe more atk if blocking only 1 enemy, like ribbon of honor.

[quick pecan]

i don’t even know if i would use windflit if i raise him

i could cope 🪨🪨 buff ig

or use him as a worse guard

💀

[foggy grove]

use him to repair stainless device

jk

his number is so undertuned

[sullen rover]

just like me with weedy fr

[foggy grove]

idk a good usecase

[tidal sedge]

The consistency angle could loan itself to something like mini- Beehunter s2. Atk scale for hitting same target up to a cap

[limpid siren]

As long as it’s not +1 block

[tidal sedge]

Probably no more than 1.2x, if they want to be generous

[tall cairn]

Unlikely.

[quick pecan]

+1 block for chong to die faster pogger

[foggy grove]

cy wouldn't mind +1 block tbh

[void terrace]

Brawlers probably gonna get some base dodge chance or base crit chance

[foggy grove]

[void terrace]

For module

[foggy grove]

he is only blocking on early stage

[quick pecan]

i’m so used to using him with saria that extra block on him wouldn’t really matter

[signal granite]

finally clear the ex stages, 6 & 7 cm so hard

[void terrace]

They definitely need something to punch past defence

[tidal sedge]

I don't think they'll do +1 block

[void terrace]

Something like mountain talent maybe? 20% chance to crit for 120% atk

[sullen rover]

im hoping crit chance
+1 block sounds kinda bad

[tidal sedge]

They just become cheaper swordmasters with that more or less

[void terrace]

Hmmm maybe a dp reduction module

Would be interesting

Super cheap vanguarda

6 cost mountain

4 cost at pot 6

[foggy grove]

they are already cheap enough

[limpid siren]

+block would be bad for the low rarity brawlers

[void terrace]

Insane openers available

Imagine a 4 dp mountain

2 dp with Texas in squad

[quick pecan]

my chong is p6 he already 9 dp

[limpid siren]

Honestly i could see the -dp angle

[foggy grove]

crit chance is more likely or something

[tidal sedge]

Beehunter stall dreams on 2 guys tho

[void terrace]

Damn lucky

[tall cairn]

-dp for cheap enough guards?

[void terrace]

I mean there's always two modules

[limpid siren]

[void terrace]

I see a + block module for mountain

[limpid siren]

Nah

[void terrace]

Chongyue would honestly benefit from 2 block opening up more solo laneholding

[limpid siren]

+block for mountain implies some of the low rarity will get it, and they absolutely cannot handle it

[tall cairn]

More atk when blocking 1 enemy trust.

[void terrace]

Less dp would be an interesting interpretation or perhaps a % chance to ignore % defence

[quick pecan]

i actually got flint recently so ig if the module helps the 5*s i will raise either her or dagda

probably dagda i like her more

[timid schooner]

this is easier than ex-7 wtf

now we wait for s-5 cm

[void terrace]

Damn I should have just done that

[foggy grove]

i run out practice plan to do janky stuff on cm

[tidal sedge]

In a game similar to AK, brawlers innately had dodge. So I'm thinking one module will be some amount of dodge

[foggy grove]

[void terrace]

Did some weird strat spawncamping dolly

[limpid siren]

Aigis?

Dodge seems to have been the root of their archetype identity at some point

[tidal sedge]

Ye, I remember Alsa saying it's a class trait for them. 50% iirc, but AK wouldn't be that generous in it's number contexts

[foggy grove]

mountain will prolly get the dodge branch

[quick pecan]

dodge sounds so 💀

[limpid siren]

Dodge is okay if you’re not coping awful %s

[crisp bolt]

It's why I like using flametail from time to time

[verbal sparrow]

I don't ask for much. Just a true damage module for Chongyue.

[crisp bolt]

the dodge gets pretty funny

[tidal sedge]

But it's true what Angle said earlier, 6* brawlers in AK only vaguely resemble their traits except for consistency dps orientation

[quick pecan]

i mean how much would a base mod give for dodge % exactly

[weak gazelle]

brawler mod huh
all i can think of is extra +aspd

[quick pecan]

i don’t see them being generous

[crisp bolt]

extra aspd would be really funny on flint

[sullen rover]

you can scratch your enemies back faster now :poggies:

[weak gazelle]

and small buff one
well in general i cant see brawler mod would be huge boost to them

[tidal sedge]

So my guesses will be atk scale on repeat hits on same target, and dodge. Though I'm not confident enough to actually bet anything

[limpid siren]

HG is notorious for lowballing new effects, so im not holding my breath

[tidal sedge]

I can't see any higher than 25% at most

Well, 20-30%

[foggy grove]

i didn't expect anything wow but i'll be taking that atk stat regardless for my cy

[quick pecan]

yeah i’ve long accepted that mountain and chong being good is very far removed from them being brawlers

it’s like the dp cost + atk interval and that’s about it.

[slender terrace]

honestly if they buff his second talent from 3sp to 4sp its alr pretty good

[weak gazelle]

being honest
thinking mountain and cy would get fartooth treatment

[tidal sedge]

Chong and Mountain do maintain the consistent dps angle

[weak gazelle]

[tidal sedge]

Except Mountain s3, but flashy 6* s3s often break rules anyways

[quick pecan]

yeah but chong made it not only consistent

he made it higher than anything anyone probably expected from the archetype

in terms of dph

that’s where i’m like ok

this is barely a brawler

[tidal sedge]

6*s often break rules of archetype, most of the ones that don't are bad

[crisp bolt]

I failed the roll on chong so

[spark sinew]

chong kinda meh without skalter

like, just another unit

[verbal sparrow]

If his kung fu is so great why can't he pewgf and launch enemies

[tall cairn]

true.

[tidal sedge]

5* Fortresses don't have especially good damage vs elites as they're intended for mob killing. Meanwhile Horn skills go brrr on damage

[quick pecan]

if you told someone 6* bee hunter could hit upwards of 4k dph twice per skill activation with small sp cost

you’d probably fry their brain 😭😭

[glass monolith]

Firewhistle exists, not ideal uptime, but pile them up and burn them down

[tidal sedge]

Reapers are intended to struggle vs high def elite with their lowish dph. Exe Alter casually slams 3k atk and high double hit chance

[quick pecan]

i honestly feel the opposite of this

i almost never bring her with him

[crisp bolt]

and def ignore

[verbal sparrow]

Reapers are intended to struggle against hard hitting enemies

[slender terrace]

its the same with a lot of archetypes where the rest are shit and the 6 star breaks it completely. brawlers, crushers(kinda) and now hunters

[crisp bolt]

crusher

[spark sinew]

i play Chong in malekngihts a tiny bit and the difference is immense

[verbal sparrow]

Due to a ceiling on their healing

[slender terrace]

i mean at least hoe isnt unusable i guess

[quick pecan]

the difference is large yes

[crisp bolt]

he's still pretty unusable to me

[quick pecan]

but in so many stages he’s already killing so i’m like ok skadi stay on bench

[crisp bolt]

the atk interval is too high for me

english is a mess of a language

and it's the only language I know

[tall cairn]

~~does that mean he scales well with + atk spd? ~~

[limpid siren]

Not inherently, or at least not any more than another guard archetype
High def is more often what kills most of them

[quick pecan]

also

lords keep losing

man

[crisp bolt]

it's hard to get from 3 seconds to a managable aspd

[foggy grove]

skalter+cy has like close to double dph

[quick pecan]

hypergryph hates them

😭

[foggy grove]

[limpid siren]

Wdym

[crisp bolt]

give lord module

[tall cairn]

Ouch.

[limpid siren]

Lord has always been an aggressively solid archetype

[verbal sparrow]

If the enemies tickle reaper just outheals

[quick pecan]

i’m talking abt module dungeon

[limpid siren]

Ive never understood the hate they grt

[foggy grove]

[spark sinew]

pretty much

[limpid siren]

If the enemy hits hard but can’t survive the reaper then they just die

[crisp bolt]

I just don't like using thorns

[spark sinew]

heaven and earth

[crisp bolt]

that's my take on lords

[limpid siren]

The breaking point is an enemy that has high enough def to slow the reaper down

[verbal sparrow]

Very easy to hit hard from afar even

[limpid siren]

What

How “afar” do you think reapers can hit

[verbal sparrow]

Yes, reaper struggles against hard hitters, whether ranged or melee enemies

[limpid siren]

Right, ranged enemies is another talking point

If only we had some way to manage that

[weak gazelle]

yeah funny enough
lords are very solid archetype even with their signature dmg penalty

[tidal sedge]

Exe Alter getting range buff at least partially answers that weakness. Another cheat.

[quick pecan]

i don’t want the module for the 5*

i think the 5* lords bar ayers are good

i want it for thorns / sa lmfaoo

[spark sinew]

range buff is absolutely massive, because of true aoe

i can't use other reapers now

[latent monolith]

Wait who is a 5 star lord other than ayer and lapp

[quick pecan]

leto

[crisp bolt]

Leto

[tall cairn]

I feel exe is too strong against weak mobs and as a reaper folds too fast against stronger mobs.

[limpid siren]

Is that really true

[spark sinew]

just proc s3

[latent monolith]

That's really not true

just turn on his skill

[spark sinew]

he starts healing a ton

[crisp bolt]

his s3 with mod gives him a hilarious amount of sustain

[latent monolith]

trash mobs don't need it and elites don't survive it

uh where's that le ex 7 run

[crisp bolt]

I'm looking at you birdphisto exalter

[quick pecan]

exalt overperforms pretty much everywhere i put him

it’s kind of disgusting how he does that casually

[latent monolith]

M8-8 and H8-3 too yeah

[crisp bolt]

exalter also really strong in H13-4 iirc

[tall cairn]

Maybe I’m just bad and just like ranged units better.

[foggy grove]

didn't you say you hate reaper?

[tall cairn]

Yes

I’ve given him a shot.

[quick pecan]

he also has so many low ops

[latent monolith]

look at my man's HP bar

[quick pecan]

i think there’s some skill expression for the toughest elites for sure

but there’s a good amount of elites that he just laughs at without much effort or timing on the player’s end

[foggy grove]

someone told me this event is bad for him so i just proceed to bring him on every stage

[latent monolith]

Looks like some ECG

[quick pecan]

you can panic turn on s3 and he kills

[tidal sedge]

After seeing Tums express irritation with his talent, I wonder how much those record grinders replay maps

[ornate siren]

eyja askaway s1 or s3 scale better

on anni

[solid dew]

considering the amount of enemies in the EX stage i did the same for a couple of em

[latent monolith]

Depends on the strat

[limpid siren]

ex fedora's talent?

[tidal sedge]

Ye

[limpid siren]

a lot

i've watched khant mald some strats

[celest solstice]

wdym s1? I assume you mean S2

S3 for elites short burst, S2 for consistent

[latent monolith]

Some of them need him to crit everything but for general gameplay he nukes everything on below average crit rng

[quick pecan]

he hasn’t even felt bad this event

real soda bottle deniers

[tidal sedge]

It affects his damage, skill cycle, and healing

[limpid siren]

executor has a high ceiling

but can underperform pretty easily

[ornate siren]

wait i was gaslit to thinking s1 was the second good skill?

[celest solstice]

I find S2/S3 more useful

for eyja

[latent monolith]

S1

[limpid siren]

oh my word, my bad

[celest solstice]

wait is this eyja alter

[limpid siren]

i thought we were all on the executor train

[celest solstice]

I am illiterate

[ornate siren]

i just hopped on

[celest solstice]

do not have her

[limpid siren]

nah ignore me

[quick pecan]

ngl i was a thorns defender

[ornate siren]

oh lmao

[quick pecan]

and i still think he’s like

fine

[ornate siren]

[quick pecan]

but when stuff like gavialt exalt gets printed

[limpid siren]

thorns is still fine yea

[quick pecan]

i have to wonder how anyone thinks thorns competes for the same role

[limpid siren]

he stomps the same content he always did

[crisp bolt]

he's still does what he does

I just don't like using him that much

[quick pecan]

it just feels bad when i bring thorns to a stage and my other ops are killing before he even gets to charge

[crisp bolt]

me trying to use him in H12-4 and praying he doesn't die to those 200% atk enemies

[scarlet mortar]

me when i thorns bad on the internet

[quick pecan]

even blaze got a facelift with module and she was the other one ppl wanted to boot from the good laneholder discussion

[solid dew]

my thorns kept getting onshot by dolly early in EX-8CM so i had to place healers and mylnar earlier so he wouldnt get evaporated

[limpid siren]

meh it's just the process for "this unit fell off" that groupthink has to go through

people go from like "hidden 6*" to "dogshit unit" before finally landing in the midpoint that someone like lappland actually lives in

[spark sinew]

he's in like every record clear unless it had typhon instead

[limpid siren]

interestingly

[spark sinew]

but going in blind he sucks

[quick pecan]

i still like lappland a lot

[limpid siren]

typhon has a really low record count for how hyped she is

[latent monolith]

If we look at chapter 13

it's just exalt it

[limpid siren]

executor has nearly triple her record count

[scarlet mortar]

i think part of it is like, we've gotten the executor duo and all so more people now have access to hard content

[latent monolith]

yeah exalt has like well over half mlynar by now

[spark sinew]

typhon is hyped for braindead afk i thought

fits really well into full teams as well

[dark glade]

do ppl buy to the ray propaganda?

[spark sinew]

because of that fuck off range

[dark glade]

and skipping typhon now

[scarlet mortar]

and half of that hard content is perma so people will jump in

[crisp bolt]

I'm a part of the degen propaganda

[limpid siren]

i would sell the ray snake oil over typhon if i cared about it enough

[crisp bolt]

she'll carry my future IS4 runs

[spice mortar]

Afkknights

[latent monolith]

I'm pretty sure he's like second to ling in terms of how fast he got records after his mod release

[scarlet mortar]

so the more daily drivers like thorns just get shit all

[weak gazelle]

thorns flaw is only one
the amount needed to reach his infinite s3
and to make it worse cause newer dps can kill thing before he even reach that

[limpid siren]

range manipulation, targeting manipulation, huge dph, decent cycles

[latent monolith]

I think EN cares about afk too much

[foggy grove]

i like that range and target manipulation

[limpid siren]

oh the bind too

[latent monolith]

I care about afk too but I don't care for typhon design, was skipping her anyways and got something to pull

[limpid siren]

i forgor the bind

[crisp bolt]

and the reload change on s3

[quick pecan]

i will say that ppl saying lappland fell off was in comparison to thorns

thorns comparison is within his same rarity i feel like it speaks more about how good lappland is within her rarity to get compared to the 6* to begin with

[latent monolith]

the bind range and dph on top of no rng is cool

[scarlet mortar]

ray being an op with ranged bind is pretty pog

[crisp bolt]

one thing I personally hated with coldshot was how when she ran out of ammo, she'd reload -> shoot -> reload -> shoot

[scarlet mortar]

on top of that monstrous dph

[scarlet mortar]

well it was also back in the day where more often than not 5*s were born to suffer

[latent monolith]

I saw a person a few days ago in help argue that typhon had cc in a convo about ray

[weak gazelle]

cold shot issue was exactly that (from what i read)
wasting 3.2 sec to do that is very costly even for general content

[crisp bolt]

bind doesn't exist I guess

[latent monolith]

the "cc" in question

[scarlet mortar]

we didn't have much variety with 5*s outside of damage, cc, basic tanking and occasionally good range

[limpid siren]

it was more that lappland crushed silence out of the game, thorns was just a happy scapegoat for why she "fell off"

[crisp bolt]

it removes low altitude hovering

[limpid siren]

"lappland fell off" was already being said before thorns dropped

[quick pecan]

well i think leto changes things for lappland a bit

[dark glade]

not cope in SSS with 5x sniper

[limpid siren]

i don't think leto changes anything

[crisp bolt]

it doesn't

[limpid siren]

leto only competes for damage values

[crisp bolt]

there's people going around with propaganda that leto is bad

[limpid siren]

which means she's missing the entire chunk of lappland's kit that makes her relevant to most players

[quick pecan]

on paper she does more damage

but on the other hand i’m inclined to believe she gets punished by def faster than lappland gets punished by res (feel free to correct me tho)

[limpid siren]

this is wrong, but not super relevant

[scarlet ledge]

DO I SEE LETO?!?

[crisp bolt]

no

[quick pecan]

i mean i’m not looking at this analysis for the general playerbase

more within the 5* power budget

[scarlet ledge]

wtf

[scarlet mortar]

so yh lapp does have a lot of merit at launch with her ground arts dps, but her silence was made irrelevant outside arc 1 and her value over "typical 5*s" was devalued bc now lmao enjoy the 6* pool

[scarlet ledge]

leto have good numbers

i come

[limpid siren]

if it's for the latter you just raise both and bring the relevant idiot

[scarlet ledge]

and good skill cycle

[quick pecan]

real

[scarlet ledge]

i come more

[quick pecan]

and my ayers still dies of mid 😭

[limpid siren]

you have the material budget to raise both anyway

[scarlet ledge]

en complaining about leto that they played yet...

[latent monolith]

ngl

[crisp bolt]

a staple

[latent monolith]

I completely missed leto

[limpid siren]

i complain about the leite i haven't played yet

[quick pecan]

they’re too lazy to look at the numbers

[scarlet ledge]

😳

[scarlet mortar]

leto bad (i'm waiting for her to finish the USSG group)

[limpid siren]

but yea if you're just looking at power levels for both, leto seems to be on fairly even footing with lappland

and i'm here for it

[quick pecan]

leto’s talent is just

:lmfaooo

why she get that for free 😭

[scarlet ledge]

doubt en player gonna use her

[limpid siren]

i'm en player

and i'll use her

[scarlet ledge]

they only choose the Broke 5★

your exception igneus

ur different

[limpid siren]

built worse

[scarlet ledge]

[quick pecan]

ayers had to fight for 8 aspd before pots

and leto gets what she got

[scarlet ledge]

how many en players know ussg
prob just rosa and gummy

[crisp bolt]

I always forget one of them

[quick pecan]

hypergryph needs to apologize to me with 6* sniper ayers alter

[tidal sedge]

Hm.

[crisp bolt]

sorry zima

I always forget you exist

[tidal sedge]

Wonder what Ayer module would do. I doubt they'll let it be better than module Ange aspd buff

[quick pecan]

it’s kinda rough for you when your best buddie who is an aoe caster is better than you

[scarlet ledge]

@crisp bolt istina dont exist

😭

[tidal sedge]

Aspd for others in aura. Extra aspd for self? That'd have potential

[quick pecan]

greyy alter the final nail in her coffin

[tidal sedge]

Or something to give him sp but they seem to do added effects infrequently for 5* modules

[quick pecan]

his s2 would be ok if it was 2sp

not amazing

but alright ig

[tidal sedge]

3 sp powerstrike curse

[quick pecan]

it hurts him bad

i wish i was lying

but the amount of stages i’ve ran where ayers lets them pile up and lapp kills

[spark sinew]

last time we had 2 sp powerstrike people ignored all the other skills of a unit

SA doesn't count

[spice mortar]

Wait sa s1 can get 2 sp?

[crisp bolt]

I only remember Istina because pancake

[spark sinew]

sa is 2sp

pallas is 2

[tidal sedge]

2 sp powerstrike is decently common on 5* these days

[limpid siren]

is it?

[crisp bolt]

aren't they usually 3sp?

[spice mortar]

So sad id never use sa s1

[tidal sedge]

Highmore and Pluma s1 are 2 sp

[limpid siren]

It depends what you count as a powerstrike

[quick pecan]

you need like such a consistent level of weak enemies for ayers s1 to actually show the delay between lappland’s s2 activations

i know ayers s2 is the preferred skill

but my power strike adjacent

[tidal sedge]

What would we define as recent matters too

[limpid siren]

Like do you count fire whistle?

Do you count insider?

[tidal sedge]

Ughh. Firewhistle s1

[limpid siren]

Defining powerstrike itself opens some interesting questions

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye igneus

shouls i raise fw?

[limpid siren]

Which fw

[scarlet ledge]

the def one

[tidal sedge]

Auto recovery mucks things up ye

[limpid siren]

Sure, she’s decent

[scarlet ledge]

[limpid siren]

You can borrow mine to test if you want

[scarlet ledge]

how her s2 cycle?

[limpid siren]

Bad but acceptable

[quick pecan]

fire whistle s1 actually wasn’t awful with ptilo

or maybe i’m coping

[scarlet ledge]

ohh

how about s1 cope afk?

[tidal sedge]

Erato s1 is a weird rhythm due to talent. s1 hit > sleep hit def ignore > sleep hit def ignore > normal hit > normal hit

[spark sinew]

i wonder why her s2 exist

you can say she is very very cope blem for permasleep comp?
except idt HG would design her for that purpose

[tall cairn]

[quick pecan]

erato exists to sell a holiday skin

[tidal sedge]

Kazemaru s1 is 2 sp off recovery powerstrike

[limpid siren]

Nah just use s2 imo

The cycle is long but usable enough

[scarlet ledge]

[spark sinew]

erato s2 specifically
although i wonder how many people bought her skin

[scarlet ledge]

i bought it

cause it xes

[tall cairn]

[spark sinew]

how unexpected

[jovial nest]

To anyone interested in RA2, go to #cn-lounge. Gameplay footage

[crisp bolt]

real shit

[scarlet ledge]

brawler module official leak

[spark sinew]

we already saw the best thing out of it

[scarlet ledge]

[spark sinew]

i will just wait like 10 days and play it when it releases

[scarlet ledge]

@spark sinew i cant wait for flint and indra module

[tall cairn]

Erato s2 doesn’t even inflict sleep iirc.

[scarlet ledge]

hope bee hunter module good doe

[spark sinew]

dagda one will give her +1sp every time she gains sp

new best tank

just also need blem

[tall cairn]

prolly just to deal some damage to sleeping enemies.

But eh.

[jovial nest]

I will just wait like 6 months and play it when it releases

[spark sinew]

[jovial nest]

Me cause that skin is SUPER EFFECTIVE

[spark sinew]

idk i like RA

or at least give it a try like the first one

[crisp bolt]

wait I just noticed something in the video

[tidal sedge]

RA will be totally new for me. I wonder if that will give me different perspective on it

[scarlet ledge]

bee hunter plss just gib ussg buff as new talent

😭

[scarlet ledge]

even doe ur not on ussg

[jovial nest]

Farming resources makes FRDs or semi FRDs king

[crisp bolt]

Ifrit not losing any HP here

[scarlet ledge]

ur underground fighter

[tall cairn]

RA is fun yeah.

[spark sinew]

idt fast redeploys were relevant

[scarlet ledge]

RA aint fun

grind aint fun

[spark sinew]

i mean for hunting sure

[jovial nest]

Guys show images or talk about this in #cn-lounge

[scarlet ledge]

hunting aint fun

[jovial nest]

Iirc theres rules about this stuff

[spark sinew]

otherwise you just use resource collectors

I'm talking about RA1 strategy

[tall cairn]

[spark sinew]

i didn't watch the vid

[jovial nest]

Ive used 2 FRDs. The rest have burst skills

[crisp bolt]

yeah probably should

[jovial nest]

For farm

[crisp bolt]

I enjoy RA personally

[tall cairn]

It was fun building a base to deal with hordes.

[jovial nest]

But if rich enough

You just use those robots

[spark sinew]

frd and stuff like gavialter s3 to carry more wood is just something you outgrow and will use resource collectors after awhile

since resource scarcity vanishes

[tall cairn]

Tho I think it lacked replayability after you finished all 3 endings.

[jovial nest]

Resource collector is mid and late

Yeah

[spark sinew]

cause of skill tree

[jovial nest]

But if fresh from 0

Its pure ops lulz

[tall cairn]

Tutorial didn’t make sense.

And early was indeed quite rough.

[spark sinew]

~~i liked RA cause i could actually use carne ~~

[jovial nest]

Doesnt use Lin

[spark sinew]

a ton of enemies/static desposits of iron/stone

[jovial nest]

I like Lin cause her S3 kinda works like W's S3

[spark sinew]

perfect environment

[jovial nest]

Oh yeah

They mustve fixed the ranged immunity

Reflect must be working properly

[tall cairn]

Want RA 2 so I can have fun with Mostima. She wasn’t built then.

[spark sinew]

permabind with some atkspd that you can get quite easily

[spark sinew]

finally we can use stainless to his full potential

[jovial nest]

Even if reflect works correctly, Lin is mostly immune to it, right?

[spark sinew]

no, ng does not exist

[tall cairn]

what ng.

[spark sinew]

idk who Lin is

[tall cairn]

Kinda?

[spark sinew]

unless they added support to RA

[tall cairn]

you don’t have Lin?

[spark sinew]

nor beeswax

[deft badger]

xD

[spark sinew]

i have carne and mint (duh)

[tall cairn]

True Carne coper.

[spark sinew]

Lin seems like something that would rot my mind even more so it's fine

like i see people who are astonished something breaks her shield

and she takes damage

[tall cairn]

Lin is the type of unit you bring to special occasions.

[celest bluff]

[spark sinew]

was her damage that bad comparably?

i feel like i could bring carne every time if i wanted
lin is the same but with advantage of actually not caring about deploy order cause she doesn't take damage from most physical

[tall cairn]

Her damage is fine.

But just phalanx caster things and people tend to have better ops to run.

[spark sinew]

no joke though, I don't see lin being better at ra

especially not when you know the maps/base defense

[jovial nest]

And here I think her shield is still a bit weak but I'm amazed when it tanks some dangerous shit

[scarlet ledge]

ok im done

[tall cairn]

Objectively she probably isn’t better for RA.

[jovial nest]

Iirc she tanks Enraged Throwers

[spark sinew]

a shining example of lin corrupting people

[scarlet ledge]

come

[jovial nest]

I thought she'd die from those

[spark sinew]

how is her shield "a bit weak" at all

[jovial nest]

I'm saying i underestimate it a lot

[scarlet ledge]

reflect enemy? she can handle alot of em 😳

[jovial nest]

Instead of people overestimating

[scarlet ledge]

what a naughty rat

[jovial nest]

Her shield cap nullify is pretty high. But i never test how much dangerous enemies she can nullify

[tall cairn]

Can’t tank the kamikaze steles. Think she got almost one shot.

[scarlet ledge]

my lin is unmodded

[tall cairn]

[scarlet ledge]

same on cn

kekw

so idk how high

[tall cairn]

Either way good op.

[scarlet ledge]

atleast my carne is fine a little

cause of module 2

😭

[spark sinew]

coping

[tall cairn]

Does Carne mods even do much.

[spark sinew]

I'm just waiting for mod delta

[tall cairn]

Coping real.

[spark sinew]

it's like 3 seconds faster s3

[deft badger]

monthly squads IS2 do i have to enter the 3rd floor to get the rewards?

[spark sinew]

but just use s2

[tall cairn]

Damn.

[scarlet ledge]

little faster skill and damage+

[spark sinew]

the -taunt is useful at least

[tall cairn]

Either ways Eben’s delta mod seems pretty good? Maybe finally making better mods.

[scarlet ledge]

she can taunt me in bed

[tall cairn]

Eh.

[spark sinew]

i feel like if all delta mods are elemental, they're doomed

hg will release a ton of elemental counters eventually

[tall cairn]

Elemental res gg.

[spark sinew]

least horny arknight player...

[scarlet ledge]

FARTOOTH DELTA MOD SOON FR

[tidal sedge]

I doubt that'll be the case

[scarlet ledge]

TRUE DAMAGE

[tidal sedge]

What would medic delta mods do

[tall cairn]

Wait that sounds, so cope. But.

[spark sinew]

we will see, yeah
well sure, all damage dealer mods

[tall cairn]

needs that upgrade.

[jovial nest]

Its the first time a mod wasnt tied to their talent. Its their best chance to actually think outside the box and make an operator have an alternative role

[spark sinew]

a lot of mods add new talents

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye

i m9 swire2

[spark sinew]

this is for below 6 obviously but like

[scarlet ledge]

pogpogpog

[jovial nest]

It still aint too huge of a difference

[tall cairn]

Alternatives eh.

[jovial nest]

The biggest one was Gladiia having a legal loophole

[tall cairn]

Wonder if they might introduce a mod that changes playstyle of the unit.

[jovial nest]

And removing a single word

[tall cairn]

Or is that too wishful thinking.

[jovial nest]

Wishful

I meant add something more major. Not make them an alter

[tall cairn]

Like. Make Fartooth have global range.

[dark glade]

become WideTooth

[tall cairn]

Riding on the Fartooth cope train.

[spark sinew]

best part about being carne coper

[dark glade]

dolly is actually easy boss

[spark sinew]

is knowing some people have it worse

[tall cairn]

Yeah very easy boss.

[mossy ore]

vigil module fixing his issues when

[jovial nest]

Yeah...."easy"

[dark glade]

eyja and stainless become my favops

[spark sinew]

tanky though

[tall cairn]

Ouch.

[jovial nest]

Lets go with that

[mossy ore]

ye if someone come in here asking for help in sl-8

[jovial nest]

Imagine Dolly in goddamn EX 7 map

[mossy ore]

we tell them boss is easy and they have skill issue

[jovial nest]

[mossy ore]

[dark glade]

oh yea we still have one more dolly map

mini anni doesnt have dolly right

[jovial nest]

S-5

Potentially

[jovial nest]

IMAGINE...

[mossy ore]

ye mini anni doesnt have Dolly

there's Dolly in S-3 and S-5 tho

[jovial nest]

[spark sinew]

oh yeah i remember hearing that dolly prioritizes melee units

he doesn't

[tall cairn]

Won’t pass up sheep killing, unless you take away the bottles.

[dark glade]

i think its only aa

noway they are lying on desc page

[tall cairn]

But good thing about Dolly is that it’s fairly easy to tank his damage.

[latent monolith]

She can do the normal ones even on adverse. but not the red ones

[dark glade]

i feel like i have eyja brainrot after watching 3 ranged guy get nuked but all survive

[tall cairn]

Ah yeah might’ve brought her to tank the red ones, didn’t know there was a difference.

[dark glade]

and that just become the strat moving forward

[latent monolith]

shining buff is good on lin in these situations, I unironically borrowed shining just to let lin tank some stuff in some of the chapter 12 stages

[spark sinew]

he does big damage but doesn't oneshot even rangeds thankfully

well, on ex at least

[tall cairn]

Still don’t know what Eyja does.

[dark glade]

i also dont know

use s1

noone dies

eyja in a nutshell

[tall cairn]

[spark sinew]

i use eyja+ng

[tall cairn]

[jovial nest]

Welcome to solid HPS + increased max HP

[spark sinew]

the exploding sheep have weird range

[latent monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879667304718282805/1136195222628470874/brave_9u1XgALCwM.gif

[jovial nest]

Enjoy your stay

[latent monolith]

But yeah S1 stonks too

[tall cairn]

Elemental damage not insta proc-ing.

[deft badger]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-its-fun-doe-arknights-players-be-like-gif-26262160

[tall cairn]

Not a sight I’m used to seeing.

[jovial nest]

Iirc

Eyjaberry s3

Mly on Ubi

It worked

[tall cairn]

That’s on D0.

[latent monolith]

Not on d15

[jovial nest]

Ah

[tall cairn]

It’s the livestream skem.

[jovial nest]

D15 ptsd

[tall cairn]

Real.

[spark sinew]

need to sell the eyja

instead of making people learn to play the map

[dark glade]

ptilo probably still works, it works for ex-7 toplane atleast

[jovial nest]

What learn to play the map? Like our old school "add more healers" before ele build up caps?

[dark glade]

what is even the low clear for this map

[jovial nest]

Cause aggroing it is normal af

[dark glade]

just another mlynar right

[jovial nest]

Hahahaha Dolly is special

Need a nuker

Cause he flies

Phase 2 is most likely the problem if low rarity even gets the chance to kill Phase 1

[spark sinew]

what map

[dark glade]

ex 8

oh there is ling chen

low star use mlyn

[tall cairn]

Fk I thought you spelt Eben.

[spark sinew]

ling krooster

[tall cairn]

Got excited for nothing.

Oh common Krooster W.

[scarlet mortar]

3* has secret tech

[dark glade]

is that thing still work on EX

[tall cairn]

what tech.

[jovial nest]

Is it called Mly?

[dark glade]

fill the whole map with pink cloud so dolly doesnt move thing

[scarlet mortar]

looks like only 1604 got to use it

[tall cairn]

3* only can’t even use Mly right that’s the funny thing.

[scarlet mortar]

no dobermann clear rip

[dark glade]

free pull please give me ponc

[scarlet mortar]

oh 114 also did it

nice

for EX-8 anw

S-3 and S-5 only has 1604 records

[dark glade]

link please

[scarlet mortar]

EX-8 114 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qh4y1Q7uG
EX-8 CM 1604 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qu4y1i7yb
S-3 1604 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mF411y7NU
S-5 1604 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Az4y1u7Wi

3* scraped through SL-8 but as per usual got shafted by EX variant mobs ig

[dark glade]

i already hate the amount of redeploy

[polar crane]

what is 1604?

[glass monolith]

In year 1604 Greek predicted AK existance and made clear strategy

[polar crane]

[mossy ore]

booba pfp

man SL-EX-7 is funny

[vernal lion]

@scarlet ledge I feel like in every limited banner, my 5 star always gets max pot first lol

[mossy ore]

in which server is this mspaintwow emote in

[vernal lion]

[polar crane]

you want to join?

[scarlet mortar]

E1L60 4*s

[mossy ore]

yessir

:mspaintwow:

[glass monolith]

Joining unknown discord server you agree that it is not their fault if you get raided by police

[vernal lion]

I think Pon s2 going with a charger vg is an more proper explanation

[mossy ore]

[jovial nest]

any EX-7?

HAHAHHAA

[glass monolith]

Incoming some 3-4 operator Silvergun or something

He always manage to get some unholy records

[scarlet mortar]

114 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qh4y1Q7uG

CM 1604 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qu4y1i7yb

[jovial nest]

Silvergun's H9-6 never stops being impressive

[autumn cedar]

Kamerads. Guten Abend. I may need another help haha~

[scarlet mortar]

Calls and notifications will vibrate what up

[spark sinew]

your cm link is ex8

[scarlet mortar]

oh huh

it's linked from the EX-7 page

[spark sinew]

heh

[mossy ore]

wow scammed

[spark sinew]

non cm is also ex8

[scarlet mortar]

trolled by arkrec

ain't no way

[vernal lion]

[mossy ore]

arkrec misinfo(?)

[scarlet mortar]

[jovial nest]

yeah the demand and supply seems to be increasing a lot

[autumn cedar]

I mean which operators shall I go for.

[mossy ore]

i love inflated numbers

[scarlet mortar]

oh wait i was trolled by the UI, not arkrec admins

[mossy ore]

probably kazemaru

[glass monolith]

In Silvergun we trust

[spark sinew]

yeah just checked, seems fine

[scarlet mortar]

114 did CM https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1dr4y1o7DD

[grand ginkgo]

they inflate the numbers daily holy fuck, i got lowroll rng on this as well

[scarlet mortar]

joever

[mossy ore]

omg kuv dalao

[spark sinew]

dobber counts for 3* clears apparently?

[grand ginkgo]

this can be like 160+ easily

[mossy ore]

bro ive just recently cracked 600k tody

[autumn cedar]

Hm.. She can summon a sub, but loses half of her hp. But benefits good atk... meh I shall go for her hahah~

[scarlet mortar]

the copium

[mossy ore]

and barely finished the milestones

[scarlet mortar]

sometimes they accept it bc it's kinda pointless to make an extra category for "dobermann + 3*s" ig

[spark sinew]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Kh4y1Q7wp/ 3* or lower + dobber

[glass monolith]

Due to her 3* buffing talent it is "okay" to have Dobber + 3*s

Like some bring Texas vanguard saying "This is my 2 missing pots"

[spark sinew]

texas vanguard is different

[scarlet mortar]

nahg they just shoved dobermann clears in the 3* category to save space

[spark sinew]

you don't deploy her

[scarlet mortar]

dobermann clears often use her dps

[spark sinew]

same with immediate wildmane retreat

[scarlet mortar]

which is kinda leagues above 3* only