strategy

[turbid badge]

50/50 with a enemy

are those flying sheep

not count?

[tidal sedge]

They count. But not the sheep they drop

Every enemy that spawns more enemies works like this

[glass monolith]

You will love chapter 13

Kill count is 14/14 and you killing your 400th enemy

[turbid badge]

[little ravine]

if you do annihilation after maxing out the weekly limit does it refund all the sanity ?

[tidal sedge]

No

If you want to experiment with the map, force quitting app will make it count as though you got 0 kills

[inner musk]

is it possible to pass CW-S-1-B only with such operators , without any other, how

[tidal sedge]

Why exactly those ops

[inner musk]

idk how to explain

[tidal sedge]

Is this some sort of challenge run

[inner musk]

50/50

[tidal sedge]

Hmm. Killing robots and rockets looks like a pain with this setup

Is the challenge here supposed to be the same ops you used for S-1-A?

[limpid siren]

it's the easiest bit of armchair analysis

[tidal sedge]

The team makes more sense for 1-A

[limpid siren]

it's only after you actually use her do you realise what the actual problem is

[inner musk]

The essence of the challenge is that before choosing a level you make a set of 10 operators, after choosing a random level (from a certain set) we ban 3 operators out of 10

[tidal sedge]

Interesting

[inner musk]

and the problem is that this is probably the level after the ban of Gnosis Reed Alter and Mylnar, I have no idea how to pass it

[tidal sedge]

The closest thing I can think of for a strat is that ntrk s3 can hopefully kill rockets. Gladiia kills block debuffers to protect right side switch

Or wait

Maybe Specter + Phantom can ping pong ball

[turbid badge]

double spec

[celest bluff]

I just witnessed something incredible

[quick pecan]

actually if poncirus is supposed to stay on field won’t the ranged units deployed after just get targeted

[celest bluff]

Rosmontis s3 desync in auto because I retreat one of the pillar in the original run

[quick pecan]

or are ppl putting like a lord or something behind her lol

[limpid siren]

yea, but not a massive issue

[celest bluff]

Took them multiple auto for that to happened

[tidal sedge]

Gladiia + maybe someone else holds right. Specter + someone ping pongs ball to deal with most rockets hopefully. Ntrk holds left?

[limpid siren]

if it becomes an issue you just retreat her and replace her

[quick pecan]

questioning if i’m going to raise her

[limpid siren]

I only raised her because it’s how i already played texas

[quick pecan]

man i need hibis2 module in global

[tidal sedge]

What gets me about it is that I feel anyone who experienced dp gen down environments like CC would look at initial casts more

That's what stuck out to me at least when I actually looked at her kit beyond a quick glance

[celest bluff]

Why is she the French army

[limpid siren]

I mean when the main focus of discourse about canta was purely just dp gen

Still is just about dp gen most of the time

Most people seem to only care about that one detail and ignore anything else

Myrtle > Elysium because Myrtle is cheaper kinda vibes

“You won’t need the utility”

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Canta had that narrative too?

Actually, yeah.

[limpid siren]

Someone on reddit made this big infographic about her avg dp gen, said she would be the myrtle killer, and completely poisoned the well

[celest bluff]

[tidal sedge]

S1 providing as much dp as Myrtle when full duration is used for attacking thing

[celest bluff]

Mf reddit, who let them cook

[limpid siren]

It also fed the “leave canta at e2 1” narrative

[tidal sedge]

I remember it in #help too

[quick pecan]

i still see that sometimes lmfaoo

[celest bluff]

I always remember #help always at each other throat

[tall cairn]

Is this the daily Myrtle > other vanguards discourse?

[limpid siren]

No

[celest bluff]

No this is

Talking about the people

[limpid siren]

Just that people view vgs through exactly one lens, dp generation

[tidal sedge]

It's moreso talk on how vgs are evaluated is myopic

[celest bluff]

That talked about myrtle

[vocal cave]

is this good for anni 3 or should i borrow thorns or something

[tall cairn]

Ouh.

[celest bluff]

Hmmm

Medic...

[quick pecan]

vanguard poverty looks good when it’s all you know

some people never escape it so they feel the need to say it’s the best

[celest bluff]

Okay so platinum

Bottom lane

But I would recommend raising her a little bit more

[vocal cave]

all of my mats are going to swalter right now

[celest bluff]

And I don't think you need 2 flag Vanguard

[limpid siren]

Exusiai probably wants to go bot, gg and plat should be okay top

[celest bluff]

What

[vocal cave]

gg s3 or s2

[limpid siren]

Medics might be underleveled

Kroos is unnecessary

Boot a vg

More ground units

[vocal cave]

who should i replace with

[turbid badge]

wtf

[limpid siren]

Hmm

[celest bluff]

J you don't need swire alt immediately

[turbid badge]

cuora?

[celest bluff]

Just shelved her there

[turbid badge]

oh wait

[limpid siren]

Red, cuora should come too

[vocal cave]

im doing this anni to e2 her i like her s3 a lot

[limpid siren]

E1 la pluma probably gets her shit pushed in

[celest bluff]

Annihilation 3 have defender crusher

[turbid badge]

have you tried the map yet

[vocal cave]

i know what the map is im just seeing if these ops can clear

[celest bluff]

I don't think Reed can solo clear those damn fat boy

[turbid badge]

They probably can yea honestly

they have Goldenglow

[celest bluff]

Oh yeah GG

Mf I'm blind

[turbid badge]

Just remmeber to deploy your melee units last

so they dont get zapped by The drones

[limpid siren]

Maybe? But it’s gonna hurt

Low level medics and blockers for some lanes

Bot lane might struggle

Gl i gotta dip

[vocal cave]

so sojmething like this

spot on top lane or someting

[celest bluff]

Do you have perfume

[vocal cave]

wait i forgot i had blaze i can put blaze up

[vocal cave]

not rqaised

[celest bluff]

Aoe medic with passive global healing

[vocal cave]

yea shes e0l1

[celest bluff]

I think you will need like

Around 340 or 330

[vocal cave]

i can just quit around 350-375

if it gets too bad

[turbid badge]

wheres blaze

[celest bluff]

Wait no you have G

[vocal cave]

#strategy message

[celest bluff]

Golden glow

You will be fine

[vocal cave]

OK

[turbid badge]

id rather have reed up

[celest bluff]

Wait

[vocal cave]

ok so something like this

[celest bluff]

One small problem

[vocal cave]

for the squad

[turbid badge]

he just said blaze

[vocal cave]

i just said blaze

[celest bluff]

There will be enemy spawn there

[vocal cave]

reed replace medic place or exu/gg

[turbid badge]

reedic inconsistent healing might fuck up plat

[celest bluff]

She will fuck up plat

[turbid badge]

move the medic to reedic slot, Thorns and plat should be plently for drones tbh

[vocal cave]

so i put reed here

[celest bluff]

No

What damage she will do then

[turbid badge]

i would rather just use two medics for this anni tbh

Regular medics

[vocal cave]

or i can stick her on the ifrit tile on the top

[turbid badge]

you can but than remember to deploy cuora last or drones will start biting exus butt

[vocal cave]

ok 👍

[peak cloak]

okay, i will make it clear, dont use reed as main healer.

[turbid badge]

Have fun

[peak cloak]

u will be fcked up.

source: trust me dude, i suffered

[vocal cave]

i have 2 other medics in my team

reedic was mostly for damagfe

[peak cloak]

en cant reed

[celest bluff]

You put her too in the back she might as well not sitting there

[peak cloak]

dont use her as main healer

[celest bluff]

Not sitting in your squad even

[peak cloak]

for the god's sake

[celest bluff]

Reedic isn't a medic, she is a caster that occasionally heal

But I would recommend

At least lv55 your 3star

[turbid badge]

its just inconsistent cuz in this anni cuz theres ballistas hitting ur gg in that setup

[celest bluff]

Max e1 your 4star also

E1lv1 is a bit low

[quick pecan]

if reedic hits stuff she’s healing a lot

if it’s during wave downtime then yeah ballistas will just kill a low level sniper with no healing outside of reedic

and arts drones also hurt

i wouldnt leave anyone deployed without being in a proper medic’s range though

[turbid badge]

yeah i told them to deploy cuora last

[vocal cave]

so this

[peak cloak]

i have a e2 60 reed and s3m3 i dont even dare to use reed as main healer because not even worth a try.

reed when she is on skill, she gives big and fast heals but when she off skill, oh, maybe Ptilopsis or Perfumer even better

incantation medic gives low heals in auto attack, u know?

[turbid badge]

Only issue is you might see pluma die

[vocal cave]

yea shes already starting to die

[turbid badge]

use spot or a pusher

Push them in the hole

[tall cairn]

[quick pecan]

shaw op real and factual

i forgot how i did that anni

[celest bluff]

Sorry guys
S1m3 Weedy

[crystal cargo]

thorns better on bottom facing up

[tall cairn]

This doesn’t look right.

[celest bluff]

I s1m3 shaw even

[celest bluff]

He is

Oh wait

Fuck

[crystal cargo]

like bottom lane

[celest bluff]

Blindness

[crystal cargo]

can handle drones better

[celest bluff]

Hmmm

[crystal cargo]

he also still covers middle

[celest bluff]

Not sure about that

[crystal cargo]

its what i did to clear it

[celest bluff]

But dude

You clearly have other op outside thorn

[crystal cargo]

the requirements for bottom lane are also less

you dont need a strong marksman

[celest bluff]

🤨

[crystal cargo]

he kills drones............

[celest bluff]

Okay but Platinum can spawn kill bomb drone

Art drone

[random widget]

Hi @celest bluff

Remember you helped me on this Anni

[crystal cargo]

would also be better putting a defender in middle instead of thorns too

[celest bluff]

Honestly I can't remember who you are sorry

[random widget]

Okay…

[quick pecan]

@turbid badge no longer mid

[celest bluff]

I should put other people into my support squad instead of Yato and Texalt

[crystal cargo]

i heard people use his s1 too

[turbid badge]

yea

consistent slow

i think its a better cycle

[quick pecan]

if it’s is4 ppl are probably using s1

[celest bluff]

Chat, yato in support squad, s2 or s3

[quick pecan]

5* knights actually want him to do a little damage though

[tall cairn]

3 is the better skill, can’t tell me otherwise.

[celest bluff]

Okay

Really

...

[turbid badge]

Until u loose out on the extra dps s2 offers and it costs your is run cough cough

[crystal cargo]

s2 makes her un cc able

unless she just dies

[turbid badge]

same with s3

[tall cairn]

If you borrow for IS.

You get both skills.

[crystal cargo]

s3 is just invincible until its done

[quick pecan]

is made me appreciate s3 a little more

but i still prefer s2

[crystal cargo]

s2 does more damage doesnt it

[tall cairn]

[celest bluff]

I use Texalt more in is3 because the stun

Yeah Krooster exist but I haven't raise her

[tall cairn]

Ig people do like borrowing Tex2 for IS.

Solves everything on lower difficulties anyways.

Damn Yato cope starter.

[vocal cave]

Bruh

whatever good enoug

[turbid badge]

…

[tall cairn]

[latent anvil]

not good enouhg

do again now

[quick pecan]

i actually do like exalt start in is

it’s fun watching him solo a lot of stages

[tall cairn]

Reaper starts in general are good.

[quick pecan]

this is the most interactive i have been with is in months

[celest bluff]

How

[vocal cave]

gg carried that entire run

[quick pecan]

all bc of him

[valid loom]

i forgot is is a thing... should get back on it lol

[tall cairn]

Loses value because of MAid imo, but if you treat that stage like it doesn’t exist.

🚮

[quick pecan]

me and my homies HATE mutual aid

[tall cairn]

Which is why I will shill Krooster starts.

[celest bluff]

Why called it maid

[tall cairn]

[vocal cave]

i get by mutual aid with kroos and a dice

and 1 leak

[celest bluff]

Wasted a dice

[turbid badge]

wtf

[tall cairn]

Just fun.

[turbid badge]

defective krooster

[vocal cave]

kroos not krooster

[turbid badge]

[tall cairn]

Maybe it’s normal Kroos.

[turbid badge]

kroos still works tho

[celest bluff]

It is

[celest bluff]

In lower difficulty sure

[vocal cave]

if i use mind over matter and i use krooster i have no problem with mutual aid tho

[celest bluff]

She barely get by

Imagine e2 texalt ready at the very start of the run

[tall cairn]

Watch it lose to emer Symbiosis due to redeploy timing.

Then again haven’t done Tex2 start in a long while.

[celest bluff]

Hmm symbiosis

[vocal cave]

tex2 start is so nerve racking

[celest bluff]

I think I did that also with kroos and fang

[vocal cave]

fang and kroos do not do enough damage and tex2 carries everything on her back

[tall cairn]

Doesn’t it straight up just lose to normal symbiosis as well.

Or am I tripping.

[turbid badge]

im raising krooster levels lol

[celest bluff]

Oh yeah and mind over matter

[turbid badge]

its 57 gaming

[tall cairn]

Not doing Krooster starts?

[celest bluff]

In all difficulty?

[vocal cave]

i have a 50% winrate on that stage with tex2 start maybe

[tall cairn]

I think you get by D0 right.

Idk when it dies.

[latent anvil]

d0 what even loses

[celest bluff]

Difficulty?

[tall cairn]

[vocal cave]

10+

[celest bluff]

You can do fuck all in d0

[vocal cave]

im stuck on d12 rn anyway

[tall cairn]

Wow.

[turbid badge]

wow im stuck at d13

im too lazy to play

[celest bluff]

AND YOU HAVEN'T CLEAR ANNIHILATION 3

[quick pecan]

who should i open with and prioritize as drafts in is3

[tall cairn]

Too good.

[vocal cave]

thats not my main account

[turbid badge]

idk

i try greyy

[celest bluff]

[tall cairn]

Where is ze Krooster sadge.

[turbid badge]

but than i waste the sniper ticket

[tall cairn]

Can try Insider opener.

[turbid badge]

i always get krooster

[celest bluff]

Then you should fucking figured out annihilation 3 by yourself

[quick pecan]

does is3 have guard squad or no

[turbid badge]

its bad

its not the same

[tall cairn]

Have. But rng.

[quick pecan]

pain

i die of cringe

[turbid badge]

its gonna e2 ayer instead of Exe

[tall cairn]

Also the only guard it feels good to take is Mlynar.

[limpid siren]

Highmore/Mayer was my favourite opener before expac

[tall cairn]

So there’s that.

[vocal cave]

i have trauma with anni3 from my main too

[quick pecan]

lmfaooo not ayer

[turbid badge]

oh yeah i love opening with deepcolor

[celest bluff]

Just contingency contract relic IS3

[turbid badge]

I have a friend just for deepcolor

[tall cairn]

Whomst.

[turbid badge]

noodle

[quick pecan]

some ppl said they open humus

maybe i should raise

he sexy after all

🗿

[turbid badge]

bruh furrilo took their humus out

Its now noir

[tall cairn]

You can open with his Krooster as well.

[turbid badge]

i have my own Thx

[tall cairn]

Sadge.

[celest bluff]

This should be an emote

[tall cairn]

Want me to build Humus?

I can have full funny IS3 starter supports.

[quick pecan]

should i e2 my

[celest bluff]

How many acc do you have

[quick pecan]

the caster tickets are dead in is3 anyway

[celest bluff]

Amiya guard

[quick pecan]

my amiya is e1

[celest bluff]

Seriously how many acc do you running

[tall cairn]

Prolly not. I e2’d my Click.

Did not pay off.

[celest bluff]

And why people even running multiple acc for

How did you guys even have time to play

[tall cairn]

So they can pull for the things they didn’t pull for on their main.

But err.

Idk how they have the time.

[celest bluff]

I pulled W, NRK in one acc, also have bagpipe and some shits

But that acc been on the shelve since july last year

Yeah I missed a big opportunity to have 2 yato alt

[inner musk]

no...

https://tenor.com/view/raiken-cat-hang-die-bitya-gif-26309780

[turbid badge]

No

harmonie to slow is gaming

[limpid siren]

[tall cairn]

So like.

Get Mostima instead?

[turbid badge]

she so expensive

[limpid siren]

beeswax is good until d14

[celest bluff]

[turbid badge]

[tall cairn]

Btw Teta, which Humus skill you need?

[limpid siren]

d15 kinda hurts

[turbid badge]

s1 fine

[tall cairn]

Aight.

[turbid badge]

which clears symbiosis

[crisp bolt]

I'm amazed beeswax is usable in that far

[celest bluff]

What is the difference between beewax and Lin

[tall cairn]

So does Krooster.

[crisp bolt]

lin can stun when shield breaks

so she can be used to knock down low altitude hovers at high diff

at low diff, the barrier just doesn't break

[tall cairn]

Oh rly.

[quick pecan]

harmonie more hope

[limpid siren]

obelisk

beeswax can't hold on at d15 though

dead weight

[limpid siren]

free blocker, and missing the last elite hp up node

[crisp bolt]

fair, I didn't know how strong the obelisk was

[limpid siren]

before that she can do in a pinch vs some of the swarm stages that have some lowish res elites

but yea the obelisk just kinda gets minced too fast in d15

rather take gamiya or harmonie at that point

[weak gazelle]

@limpid siren who the best stun bot after mayer, krooster, cliff?

[crisp bolt]

you could always cope kal modx

[limpid siren]

i like cliffheart

[crisp bolt]

don't actually

[limpid siren]

i also like erato over kroos

more range and she'll prioritise the sea drifters

[turbid badge]

I feel like monster just takes too long to die and uhh the rNge is kinda small on most maps

[crisp bolt]

yeah, I'd only say it's a thing against highmorb

[tall cairn]

I believe mod X is stun when 50%?

[crisp bolt]

and even then, there's better options

[turbid badge]

yea

[weak gazelle]

i stop grind IS#3 simply because i cant find a good mayer substitute
you know i despise summoner with huge passion

[turbid badge]

theres just better options tho

[crisp bolt]

krooster works really well

I've done gnosis before

Aak exists but unsurprisingly I would never recommend you take Aak in IS

[celest bluff]

This is probably something I shouldn't done right now

It is Rosa

[crisp bolt]

I mentioned lin stuns on shield pop

[weak gazelle]

ohh right erato
so flying mantas have more weight than normal mooks?

[limpid siren]

hard to substitute how reliable she is

pseudo-global knockdown

[limpid siren]

yea

erato is a one ticket wonder too

her damage is mostly irrelevant to her performance

so unless you start with kroos, i prefer taking erato first

[celest bluff]

So the flying mantas have have def when flying and gain more res when knocked down?

[weak gazelle]

well flying manta are the main problem
anything else i can think of something

[limpid siren]

no

they can attack at range while flying

and only in melee after knocked down

[celest bluff]

No stat change?

[limpid siren]

their statline is also big enough that it can be troublesome to kill them quickly enough without knocking them down

[crisp bolt]

yeah once the higher difficulty racks up

they count as elite right?

[limpid siren]

yea

[celest bluff]

[crisp bolt]

yeah basically any enemy with elite status gets pretty scary with the buffs

broodmothers are pain as the diff gets higher

[tall cairn]

Those rays be 2 shooting.

[celest bluff]

Man

[weak gazelle]

maybe i just skip IS#3 entirely and jump in to IS#4 in the future

[crisp bolt]

but yeah, when you can, it's easier to just stun the hovers and have them fall into a hole

[celest bluff]

Arknights players would be the most masochist gacha players

[crisp bolt]

60 res

[tall cairn]

Broods feel okay if you just run a bunch of ranged units tho.

[limpid siren]

you don't want these guys to be firing at you from a distance

because they're slow

and they'll hit you a lot

[tall cairn]

Balans.

[crisp bolt]

yeah they'll move so slow while attacking

[tall cairn]

Believe that title goes to FGO players.

[turbid badge]

balans

[tall cairn]

AK players can’t match.

[tropic valve]

you can use Krooster and Kalt'sit for the most part

[weak gazelle]

hahaha
that piece of shit, i really hate it
let them fly/hover too long its like dig my own grave

[weak gazelle]

you know i wont touch 6* at all

[tropic valve]

oh, right

[celest bluff]

Mon3tr stun
Real

[tropic valve]

Mon3tr stun is very real yeah

which is why I have mod X2

[turbid badge]

me too

i prefer the others tho

More range

i like how impactful this is in is3 lol

[crisp bolt]

oh yeah 5* ops

[celest bluff]

I killed boss outside of is3 with mon3tr on death damage

Some events bosses and shits

Well

Until they added damage reduction for true damage

F

[turbid badge]

they did

[celest bluff]

I know

[crisp bolt]

Kristen and Harold

[celest bluff]

That's why the F

[turbid badge]

Not so true anymore

[tropic valve]

also Marksmen are good for Drifters

doesn't have to be Krooster specifically

low DEF

[celest bluff]

For an event called originium dust, it talked so surprising little about originium

Oh yeah back then when boss that deal true damage was

Tal

Essence of evolution

Uhmmm

[crisp bolt]

yeah talulah

[tidal sedge]

It's interesting to me how often most drifter spawns sync with Mayer s2

Not every map of course

Ember Phalanx outer lanes feels like it's specifically tailored to mess with whoever uses her as sole knock down source

[celest bluff]

Tf is this dude weight 10 for

[tidal sedge]

They didn't want anything interrupting his scan attack

[turbid badge]

Cuz all his sins are weighing upon him?

lol

[scarlet mortar]

he stopped by an ice cream truck

[turbid badge]

would be funny like skadi alter just pishh

[quick pecan]

farming devices for exalt mastery real quick

seeing andreana s2 one shot trash mobs still satisfying

[turbid badge]

Oh yeah angle

did u do other chong masteries

[quick pecan]

pretty sure if i had atk pot + max level she would solo one of the shield guards with andreana fuck atk pots dude

[quick pecan]

nope

[turbid badge]

wtf fake fan

i did s2m2

[quick pecan]

the skills are mid

[tall cairn]

M2?

[turbid badge]

but the gains good

[tall cairn]

💀

[turbid badge]

Gonna m3 but broke

shutup

[quick pecan]

every time i tell myself i could use broca

i end up using specter

[tall cairn]

that said my Krooster only M5

[quick pecan]

[turbid badge]

what

Mines m4

lmao

[tall cairn]

[quick pecan]

why crazy shark nun better

[turbid badge]

were twins

and than hauckindu can be m6

actually i think there m3

nerd

[tall cairn]

Don’t think Hauck maxed Krooster ye.

[jovial nest]

I love that we have a chance to get our sweet revenge on that thing again with stronger ops

[tall cairn]

Inb4 that’s an elite mob and not the boss.

[turbid badge]

what is that pfp jusan..

[tall cairn]

sheep.

[jovial nest]

someone didn't read story

[quick pecan]

actual cringe

[jovial nest]

[quick pecan]

forced to use teq s2 to not leak smh

[tall cairn]

[quick pecan]

ok i guess given these stats + herald she is doing her best to cook

[turbid badge]

chong s2 is stonks

Look

I can do some funny stuff with it

thats all i need

and the masteries on all chongs skill are good

[foggy grove]

chong hyperbuffed s1

[quick pecan]

@turbid badge should i do my last hung s1 mastery

i think the last time i used it was a guide ahead trust farm

[limpid siren]

cursed

[quick pecan]

it’s useful for low op

[limpid siren]

[quick pecan]

lmfaooo that emote takes me out

[turbid badge]

[celest solstice]

finally

[timid schooner]

grats

now put the phone into the fridge to cool it down

[celest solstice]

I used emulator

jokes on you

[dry night]

how to beat

[vital arrow]

Who do you have

[dry night]

ignore eyja

[vital arrow]

No good marksmen sniper pretty tough

Put eyja on S2

[vital arrow]

You probably could clear ir but autoing it, maybe not

Borrow a mlynar

[dry night]

i dont like borrowing

[vital arrow]

Yeah its pretty hard then

Since you dont have a burst skill

And dolly is hovering

You could try spamming bottles on the boss for boss phase 1 on toplane

[foggy grove]

maybe you can cope by waiting teq

[vital arrow]

Waiting for teq sounds good yeah

If your eyja is E2 she could probably 1 cycle dolly on both phases

[limpid siren]

teq has it pretty rough

12s knockdown

[foggy grove]

60 res

eyja not one cycling that

[limpid siren]

pretty tall order to kill in one knockdown

[vital arrow]

Yeah probably not

I was thinking plus the white smoke

[foggy grove]

need that lv 1 module to even down a half bar

[vital arrow]

Is that with the 75% damage amp?

[foggy grove]

nah 50% amp

[scarlet mortar]

super uphill battle but doable

you'll have to constantly down dolly with kroos, click and bottles

also cantabile

pop soda when there are flying sheep near dolly bc those guys always get targeting prio

bot lane probs jessica to open and penance to hold

just bring one medic tbh, you're fighting against time so dps is more important

if possible aim for two penance S3s for phase 2

[vital arrow]

2 penance S3 for phase 2 sounds like a tall order

Since dolly is hovering, with like 10s dps window and penance is defensive recovery

[scarlet mortar]

doable if phase 1 is downed by bot left at latest

you'll probs need the secret tech

[vital arrow]

Oh its just 50%

[scarlet mortar]

oh yh since bot is carried by penance and jessica, take lapp and greyy out for cutter and cantabile

lapp is unneeded when there's only one chokepoint held by the thiccest lady on terra

[scarlet mortar]

oh i miscalculated, probs 1 penance S3 if you also have everyone else raining on dolly

the secret tech is that phase 2 always triggers his ult when he gets back up, at which point he sits perfectly still

the ult lasts until all columns are exploded, so if every column has a pink tile you can squeeze out the time needed to break dolly's shield again

taken from the 3* players' book

[viscid raft]

It says the recommended lvl for SL-2 is 35 and my characters are 40-50. Is this number not a good premise to go off from?

[tidal sedge]

Recommended level isn't a very reliable metric. It typically oversells it. But if you're above the recommended level and struggling. The issue might lie elsewhere

I'm guessing skateboard sheep combining with standard sheep is what's troubling you?

[viscid raft]

Yeah, I got the ranged guy that can kill invisible things but I'm not able to put him to good use

And also when you said it oversells, you meant it should be harder right

[tidal sedge]

Totter I assume? He isn't so hot vs them even at e2. They're too bulky.

[tidal sedge]

No. I mean it's usually too high than how difficult it actually is.

It'd be preferable if you block the skateboard sheep with a defender on white smoke

[viscid raft]

So I'm supposed to be able to beat this level below lvl 35💀

[tidal sedge]

The event mechanics are very punishing if you try to ignore the smoke at your ops' level

I'll try to cook something up with spare e0 ops I have, but I can't guarantee it'll play similarly to your roster due to trust differences

[viscid raft]

Why am I so bad at this game

[tidal sedge]

It's not you

[foggy grove]

i mean you are new

and the event mechanic needs micro

[glass monolith]

Everyone start bad. Then it escalates quickly

[limpid siren]

being bad at something is the first step to being good at something

[tidal sedge]

This events enemies are actually very strong comparatively

The basic sheep have 500 atk. It's smoke play that makes things manageable for newer folks

[foggy grove]

i tried to play s1 with e0 l1
they insta gibbed when not on white smoke

[tidal sedge]

Yeah. I just checked prts and was shocked to see the basic sheep have so much atk

[viscid raft]

Everyone on my team gets 4 shotted

[glass monolith]

Lucky, when i started events would 2 shot

[foggy grove]

but when they are on white they can take some beating before needing heals

[tidal sedge]

I hate how I'm already tempted to do split tiling tricks

[viscid raft]

This is what I was using

[tidal sedge]

The assholes can traipse on the corner of defender tile and switch the smoke

Okay. I think a got a good trick

Attacks from fountain op to soda canister still makes smoke

So you can lay down a canister and retreat it after a fountain op hits to quickly make smoke on a key tile

[limpid siren]

[foggy grove]

that's a neat trick since it takes awhile for low level unit to break it

[spark sinew]

it's super rough
I'm not sure why they didn't scale the hp with levels

like it's super frail on sl1 and gains a hit of bulk with each level

[viscid raft]

So basically place it and when it gets hit, just remove it?

[tidal sedge]

Yes

I'm still figuring what the best tiles to put defenders on. I just need to solve 1 skateboard sheep that never paths the middle tiles

[viscid raft]

Would it be ok to get back to you tmrw? It's late for me so I'm going to get some rest

[tidal sedge]

Sure. I have a cold and little else better to do

[viscid raft]

Thanks, see you tmrw and thanks for helping me

[tidal sedge]

I'm sorry it's taking me so long to solve it tbh

I've played for 3ish days.

Everyone keeps telling me as a newbie to strategize on arknights but I got no e2s. I feel like the solutions are sorta limited without the crazy ults (AKA skill issue). I could technically use Originium to grind til I can get the stuff for e2s..

Ofc the strategy is more complex but very few help us note patterns and just tell us exactly how to beat a level 💀

But all the lvls I've faced before usually involve using the support slots or upgrading:

• Use Texas Alt to kill high DMG and HP units, a boss, or high DMG range units and remove to delete the next problem

• Use blaze, Hoshiguma, or Scepter to hold lane

• Use Chen to kill Ariel / crowd control when tanking isn't an issue

• upgrade units lvl + E1 them for more upgrading = level is now trivial.

I think I'm stuck in chapter 5 rn. The high HP + DMG bursts is insane, and my supports just aren't solid enough.

I can't really use Liskarm's skill for DP gain to spam any ults.. She's too weak to really tank the damage rn, I don't think E1ing would help.

I'm wondering if I can just E2 and then unlock higher level supports to push me through. I just need usually one OP 6* to hold on all the levels like Hoshiguma, so I wonder if the extra levels + skill available for e2s would make her good enough to win

Ik I don't need to blow through the story modes but I like the challenges and progress. This is how I'm enjoying the journey c:

Sorry for essay.

[scarlet mortar]

uhhh ok your levels are kinda all over the place

[foggy grove]

you barely raised anything

[scarlet mortar]

most importantly your main dps roles are a bit lacking

E1 thorns ain't doing dps

[tidal sedge]

True lol

[foggy grove]

seems like you relying on support too much and leaving your team on the dust

[scarlet mortar]

so you're basically running cutter, click and kroos for the most part

[foggy grove]

your defender and medic is still e0

[tidal sedge]

Cuz idk what to level 💀

[scarlet mortar]

if you have nobody better there's amiya

sucks but well

we make do

vigna is pretty decent as an off-guard

[tidal sedge]

Amiya still necessary for later chapter ^ might as well. That's also why vigna is lvl 2. Had her in mind but uh all the no defense units r getting shredded 😂 found no reason to upgrade them

[spark sinew]

use s1 thorns as well unless you have specific strat

yes, you can

[scarlet mortar]

gravel is also great for early game bc she effectively restores all hp + barrier by redeploying

[spark sinew]

that's why usually people recommend to just e2 4* first (and you also have 2 usual recommendations leveled, so i assume you're trying to do that?)

[scarlet mortar]

super under-utilized spare body and bait

[tidal sedge]

Okay I got it. Not entirely happy because Beagle deploy needs particular timing

[foggy grove]

they are shredded because you refuse to level them up so it's just circle back to it

[tidal sedge]

Not like split tile timing but too early leads to Beagle being overwhelmed

[scarlet mortar]

E1 ptilo is fine for story but ngl events usually scale immediately so you can't rush build her now

[tidal sedge]

I got her and thought Abt it. Lemme post the rest of my units I have rq.

[vital arrow]

have you read /teambuilding in #bot-spam

[scarlet mortar]

i'd unironically raise more 4*s this event than usual

[tidal sedge]

Nope

[spark sinew]

you should level stuff like steward and spot to e1 1 at least
ch5-6 is a bit late but considering your units' levels...

[scarlet mortar]

bc it's one of those events that reward micro so you need multiple raised ops all the more

[vital arrow]

yeah read it

[spark sinew]

they would still do some stuff, and more importantly they're good starter base workers

[vital arrow]

building a basic squad is your priority now

also E1 thorns is sad, he's like borderline unusable

[tidal sedge]

LMAO

[scarlet mortar]

he's basically unusable i'm sorry

[spark sinew]

so you can raise other stuff faster eventually (and again, they would even help in battles)

[scarlet mortar]

i tried his S1 at E2 and wanted to cry

[tidal sedge]

Yeah defenders almost always give me more value than thorn.

[vital arrow]

yeah because he can't tank

and he hits like a wet noodle

[spark sinew]

oh yeah, doing the event is way more valuable than doing story right now

good stuff in shop

just backread, so figured it's better to say this

in case you were unaware

like half a million lmd from the shop will help you solve your problems a lot faster, for example

[tidal sedge]

Welp teambuilding pretty much told me the same thing I researched and have done.

Still this discussion helped me. I'm gonna try to build my defenders as all my loses come due to tanks dying. My main issue rn, is holding (and DPS both are alternative ways to try and do more DMG)

I've also farmed event like 200+ currency spent on LMD (my only focus rn) and bought all the headhunting tickets to save for large pull (idc about skins).

I can only auto battle the first one though 😂

Flame tail is my most useless operative by far

[jade quail]

Ouuchy

[vernal lion]

btw, 2 snipers/casters/guards are based on stage, it's not like you just bring 2 of them
sometimes you will bring supporter or specialist

[jade quail]

Ooooooohhhh

[spark sinew]

this event really punishes not using event mechanics, i wonder if you're using them enough

[spark sinew]

this should be able to auto some stages besides 1 i think

[tidal sedge]

Agreed. I've swapped in other when they were useful but generally this team build either counter everything or I get stuck until I upgrade something

Borrowed operatives usually solve the problems better than anything I can put up ^

[scarlet ledge]

wtf carne start

hardmode

[spark sinew]

would be funnier when they will use s3 on e2 and realize it's the worse skill

[scarlet ledge]

ngl carne still manageable on early

but ye need to use timing

[spark sinew]

yeah people overhate on her

[scarlet ledge]

thats the problem

[vernal lion]

when this event comes to EN...

[scarlet ledge]

player cant time shit

[tidal sedge]

Idk them TOO well. I'm on stage 5 but I didn't do any of them with only my own operatives.

Don't know how to counter the massive thing ramming through my defenders again and again while holding top lane

Place hero here so white cloud made and sheep not invincible. In spot ur defending.

That's all I really understand 😆

[scarlet ledge]

en try to burst boss

[spark sinew]

on non ex you can just yato texas him

[vernal lion]

Harold boss punishes those who play stalling and nuking

[spark sinew]

i'm sure we'll see a lot of posts how to clear him on ex because it won't work

[weak gazelle]

hmm
siracusan only easy enough for this one

[spark sinew]

thankfully i still don't know the optimal strat

so the event should be fun

[limpid siren]

🤌

[spark sinew]

if defenders stand on white tile, they gain massive damage reduction

[tidal sedge]

Mb I meant SL-4

[tidal sedge]

oh fr? 😭

[scarlet ledge]

igneus

what you think of windlift?

[vernal lion]

yea until all the furnaces have lifted fire off

[weak gazelle]

wanna try victorian but that faction have so many member
maybe glasgow & PS only would be fun to try

[jade quail]

Guys, a little help on event stages

[tall cairn]

[tidal sedge]

Thank you for this amazing information. I have new ideas in brain now 💀

[scarlet ledge]

wtf pro

[weak gazelle]

i am sorry for e1 team i have no idea/advice for current event map

[vernal lion]

so op standing on white tile has 75% dmg reduction, and deal 50% more dmg to enemy
and vice versa for pink tile

[scarlet ledge]

just use the event mechanic

and always bait the attack

using frd

anyway balls

coke dolly so much to lower the shield

[tidal sedge]

What is frd 💀

[scarlet ledge]

fast redeploy

like gravel

[vernal lion]

when they ignore the mechanism and got killed by a funny sheep with a magic wand on their mouth, while standing on pink tile

look at this mini war criminal

[scarlet ledge]

@jade quail ngl what stage u having a problem?

[scarlet ledge]

have fun on ex stages

they are so fucking annoying

[jade quail]

Sl 4

[scarlet ledge]

show squad

[scarlet ledge]

what map it is again?

can you show

[scarlet ledge]

put lappy on right side with defender blocking it

always pop coke there

to deal much damage

left side is carne on middle

then medic right side

have vanguard there

@jade quail grab eyja support

s2

just be wary and fill ur stage with white cloud for lessen damage and deal much damage

then add defender on left side near blue box

[jade quail]

Ahhhh no wonder I was taking a lot of damage

[vernal lion]

right side can be solo with only 1 dps and a medic, just add white smoke on that melee op, and put them behind that banned tile

so the pink smoke won't appear when sheep died

[jade quail]

Okay thanks for the tips

[sterile delta]

h11-4?
i have chongyue/eyjalter/shamare holding left lane which does fine
suzuran/lumen/nightingale/saria/mlynar right lane which does fine until phase 2 then shamare doll gets desynced from steam knight's power attack, saria dies, and everything goes downhill

[limpid siren]

horrifically under budget

[scarlet ledge]

ngl idk how good cy on h11-4

might find better guard

[sterile delta]

he does fine for holding left lane with heal support i think

i have thorns/exalter/mountain/mudrock as well but they dont do well against the devourers

i might be able to micromanage exalter into working if you think an extra op could help with the right lane

[scarlet ledge]

hmm

@sterile delta did you burst boss?

[sterile delta]

nah

stalled out phase 1 while taking out all of the trees

[scarlet ledge]

who holding him?

[sterile delta]

saria

[scarlet ledge]

oh

[sterile delta]

with lumen nightingale

i dont have hoshi/nian ;-;

[scarlet ledge]

who u grab?

[sterile delta]

and i refuse to borrow units so its a bit awkward

[scarlet ledge]

or no support

[sterile delta]

:/

[scarlet ledge]

hmm

[sterile delta]

i can send my krooster, im willing to build units to help clear

[scarlet ledge]

u might need to burst p2 i guess @sterile delta

[spark sinew]

can spalter tank it offskill, with shamare

[scarlet ledge]

when he do heavy punch

[sterile delta]

hm

[scarlet ledge]

so less flight

and deal much damage

[sterile delta]

reedalter/texalter/surtr sandwich?

[scarlet ledge]

you can do that

[sterile delta]

squad size gets kinda sus ill see what i can do

[scarlet ledge]

but ye need to time doe

[sterile delta]

yea

[scarlet ledge]

when he do heavy pucnh

cause his animation

he late going to flight when he did heavy punch

[sterile delta]

i did that for the normal stage and i tried to do that with mlynar/suzuran but that just doesnt work

is it possible to stall out phase 2

[scarlet ledge]

ye better healing and tanker doe

saria cant do shit unless u have nian/hoshi raised

and moduled

[spark sinew]

i think i did it just yesterday with AH
it was some jank shit with 2 bodies i think

[sterile delta]

:(

[scarlet ledge]

u can do cycling on blocking but have fun

i think i did burst on my alt using eben

[sterile delta]

oh i have eben

[scarlet ledge]

and mostima rosa

no blocking

[sterile delta]

how buffed does eben have to be

[scarlet ledge]

ngl its just h stage

just borrow lol

[sterile delta]

nah its like

[scarlet ledge]

unless u want to see ur janky auto

[random widget]

@scarlet ledge am i dumb if I can’t beat h5-3 with this team

[sterile delta]

a personal philosophy now that i have a bunch of meta ops

[scarlet ledge]

u can destroy it lol

just do right placement

and prio killing spider

[random widget]

Got it tyty

[scarlet ledge]

always prio killing spider

[random widget]

Spider bad

[scarlet ledge]

prio spider cause its gonna destroy ur lineup

if u ignore it

[random widget]

Is placing Mudrock in the middle a good idea?

[scarlet ledge]

no

right side

[random widget]

Got itt

[scarlet ledge]

use sniper up and mountain on left side with medic

[random widget]

Hmm I don’t think this stage has ranged enemies

I Can just melt enemies with snipers and caster

[scarlet ledge]

us frd to destroy spider

[random widget]

While they come up

[scarlet ledge]

add gg to snipe anything

[scarlet ledge]

[sterile delta]

so

is eben/mostima/suzuran/saria good enough to burst?

tbh now that i think of it my normal steam knight clear was super scuffed as well

[scarlet ledge]

kekw

@random widget

[vocal leaf]

use bryo and mouse

• your favorite defender, cuora is the best one

[scarlet ledge]

just always prio spider

[sterile delta]

may not have bryo or mousse built

[vocal leaf]

e1 should be fine
i used mousse m3 tho, bryo is sl7

[jade quail]

@scarlet ledge It didn't work out well

[sterile delta]

what in the

ill try it out

good excuse for leveling mousse anyways

[spark sinew]

good excuse to get a very good gold worker

trust me, e2 bryo is essential for this strat

[solid dew]

this level made my Hoshi S2M3 pay off

[jade quail]

I can't pass SL-4

[scarlet ledge]

lemme show

[solid dew]

this one introduces the big guys of this event correct?

[jade quail]

Yes

And I can't defend it

[solid dew]

they only take one block (thank god)
so i used a defender and then some form/s of arts damage (caster, arts guard etc) to kill them, you wont be able to kill them with physical damage unless you have an lot of it, cause they have 1.2k defence but only 20 res

[jade quail]

Ahhhh

[solid dew]

most events/chapters have a "tank" enemy with high def but low res, this ones that enemy

[tidal sedge]

Making them waste their sheep drop on an op beforehand might also help

[scarlet ledge]

@jade quail

just get better caster

[scarlet ledge]

[jade quail]

Click?

[scarlet ledge]

ye use click

put carne on hibis side

always pop coke

on left side

[jade quail]

I always run out of dp

[deft badger]

dogs are a pain on that map
in case u wanna borrow something in the end, take stainess
or just come with 4 tanks u can rotate to stall the boss

[deft badger]

yeah what kills the fat dudes? 😄

[spark sinew]

i always forget about damn DR on s3

[scarlet ledge]

kek my vg only there is courier lvl 7

[glass monolith]

They die out of old age and 5% ATK

[jade quail]

Alright I'll try it out

[scarlet ledge]

manage it

[spark sinew]

because it's not mentioned anywhere except prts

[scarlet ledge]

carne
just get better caster lol

[spark sinew]

and you need to click on turrets + navigate tabs to even see it

[scarlet ledge]

he have e2

he can grab eyja

for it

plus white cloud management

[deft badger]

i don't have one...

[solid dew]

casters, or a lot of phys (or just use the soda bottle mechanic lol)

maybe build a caster if you dont have one leveled yet

[spark sinew]

he even got sail, lucksacc

[sterile delta]

the dogs (and everything else on left lane) get vaporized by chongyue, it was just steamknight's shenanigans on the right lane that was messing me up

[scarlet ledge]

kek for dogs

i remember using thorns + dagda

on my main clear

for h11-4

[sterile delta]

dagda huh

[deft badger]

i remember that i didn't have ops to spare for left side when i did that stages 😄

[sterile delta]

trying to cook something with roberta atm lmao

[foggy grove]

eben with suzu and saria is enough to kill one phase

[sterile delta]

w

modx lvl 1...? or all the way ;-;

[deft badger]

if schwert means is should use eyja, then eyja it is have just to login my main xD

[foggy grove]

i used mod lvl 3 but 1 prolly works

[deft badger]

the only problem yesterday when i did try the map i didn't have a op that was able to take the first hit of the big guys..

[foggy grove]

you have mlynar or sexas anyhow to make up the dmg

[deft badger]

dude my kroos doesn't even do nearly that amount of dmg

lol

[spark sinew]

you have e2, and he said you can borrow

[jade quail]

Just incredible 😍

[deft badger]

i am going to borrow anyway just wanna know why nagas kroos is going wild

mine doesn't even do half of the dmg

[spark sinew]

trust

[deft badger]

eyja? schwert meant i should use a caster

[spark sinew]

you're untrsutworthy

eyja is a caster...

[deft badger]

mine has 50%

its not like she is getting 1000 more atk

[vernal lion]

the 50% dmg buff from white tile is very good tho

even 2 star can beat their own SL-1

the rush of those Big Bro is really annoying in the late

[scarlet ledge]

@deft badger

12f works kek

jsut always put white cloud on ur ops

[spark sinew]

12f too op

[scarlet ledge]

BROKEN

[tidal sedge]

Aren't those small sheep gonna leave pink cloud when they die

[scarlet ledge]

if u dont want to raise catapult

just use 12f

[scarlet ledge]

use coke

duh

[tidal sedge]

Defender holds long enough?

I guess so

[scarlet ledge]

ya lol unless u fucked up applying white cloud on ur ops

for damage

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ2TqEmgoQY&ab_channel=Sciel

[spark sinew]

wat

[scarlet ledge]

@deft badger bro u have cutter use s1

abuse it

[deft badger]

the actual f- is going on with that sheep that has a cone on the head

its 1 hitting my liskarm

[tidal sedge]

Is your lisk on pink smoke

[deft badger]

its infront of her

[foggy grove]

rarity abuser meets mechanic

[deft badger]

u are hardly going to call that a actually mechanic where 5 of them leave the gate at the same time

then each of them drops a puddle on the floor

u have to use the soda to get that away or its going to 1 hit ur tank

[tidal sedge]

They only leave smoke on the tile they die on

[deft badger]

my ops need 5 hits on the soda

[tidal sedge]

Your ops only take bonus damage if they're on pink smoke. If sheep die on adjacent tiles it's whatever

If your lisk is low level and low trust, she might need white smoke to soak properly

[scarlet ledge]

@foggy grove see as i already said player who ignore mechanics gonna have trouble on this event

[solid dew]

something something "reading is hard"

[jade quail]

Lol finally beat SL-4

[scarlet ledge]

pro

[solid dew]

now do SL-5

~~its one lane its not that bad ™️ ~~

[scarlet ledge]

what its map again?

[solid dew]

one that introduces the flying sheep

i think

[scarlet ledge]

@solid dew he will have trouble on fast sheep

yep

[tidal sedge]

The fliers and exploders ye

[jade quail]

Ahhhhhh

[solid dew]

ah the speedy bois who pull a R6 event and split into 2

[jade quail]

With slowness???

[solid dew]

apparently silencing them stops them from splitting if you have lappland
oh wait you do

[jade quail]

Lop

[scarlet mortar]

you can just helidrop a blocker and retreat them to prevent an explosion

though ig not everyone sweats like that

[deft badger]

did all up to sl-7 will deal with sl-8 later i am out of sanity and i wanna sleep
this event has the worst designed "mechanics"
sode has cd, u have to atk it, then every sheep leaves a puddle

[vital arrow]

Gravel exista ig

[scarlet mortar]

fun fact the blocker's block is freed up during the explosion

[vital arrow]

As long as the pink cloud isnt on your main blocker its probably fine

[scarlet mortar]

so sth like phantom's clone can block two of the clouds in a row

[cinder pike]

what does the pink cloud do to operators?