strategy

[spark sinew]

that wants you to run 5 diff stacks

[vernal lion]

you can just give Mlynar vgA or guardB because he still has insane dmg

[spark sinew]

all bards as well?

[dark violet]

And I'll share dorothy to any who asks. Spreading the light

[spark sinew]

mly with vang A shreds

and has good uptime

[royal rose]

Nah, only Skalter

[spark sinew]

didn't i say "e0 bards" a couple times

basically filter by the deploy cost and pick the cheapest

[dark violet]

Heidi is for everyone to get

Welfare moment

[spark sinew]

i had this shizo build before for Mama

[dark violet]

Interesting

[spark sinew]

this is actually too many stacks i think

[turbid badge]

eh noy really

u have 3 guard

[spark sinew]

but again, the map is weird and i didn't test it enough

well, those are also stacks

but they do double as some nukes early on, if need arises

[dark violet]

I did the emergency one with the AH one but did'nt use it lol

[spark sinew]

ignore moduleless aak, it's hard with module blocks nowadays

[turbid badge]

im all out of poly prep

module blocks are so plentiful tbh

[spark sinew]

i needed like 8 for exalter

[turbid badge]

Red cert etc

[spark sinew]

jesus he eats them up

[turbid badge]

had 1 now im back to 12

[royal rose]

I have like a ton of module mats because I haven’t made many

Like 100+ blocks

[spark sinew]

[turbid badge]

3 days

trdt

[dark violet]

Still need 190 blocks

[turbid badge]

tf

[spark sinew]

i'm very picky with my blocks but at one time i wasn't so i have a lot of garbo but i didn't ration them yet

probably should

how many do we get per month

[dark violet]

That's how much I need to mod 1 all my ops

[turbid badge]

[cyan gorge]

I need 4 more for Exe2 mod3, then 20+ more for other mods

[turbid badge]

just dont build 6* simple

shrimple*

[dark violet]

Can't

Already got tje red certs for the catalysts

[royal rose]

IDK if I should even raise Aak

I’ll probably save mats for Dorothy

[fast basin]

if you're asking that, you probably shouldnt

[dark violet]

Only 1k left until I have the 23K needed for all the e2

[cyan gorge]

Aak fun tho

[turbid badge]

why u need so much

is this accounting for future

or what

[dark violet]

For all the e2 and mod 1. No future planning, only already owned

[spark sinew]

after trying p5 dorothy i probably won't pull for her

[turbid badge]

but she holds extra mines

[spark sinew]

using p1 would feel like a constant downgrade

the atk buff is yuge

[dark violet]

Still worth it. But you can leech off me when I bleed out to pot 6 her

[spark sinew]

i have p6 in FL

dw

[dark violet]

FL?

[spark sinew]

friend list

[dark violet]

Ah, nice

My role model

[spark sinew]

heh

[spark sinew]

a lot of new shiny stuff that's coming out

[dark violet]

I also need pot6 ceobe but that's more for guilty pleasure

[spark sinew]

but who knows

[turbid badge]

Ok hackisndu

[spark sinew]

so much for "your name is in my autocomplete"

[turbid badge]

i wanted ti actually type it

[vernal lion]

that Ceobe tho

[spark sinew]

"hauck"

[turbid badge]

when i press enter it puts it in

idk it dosnt work sometimes its crazy

[spark sinew]

damn you need to train

[turbid badge]

oh i put hack

[vernal lion]

bro did it, in 11 hours lmao

I can feel that ed4 is not quite easy to get lol

[tropic valve]

so true, borrow a schwarz instead of getting mlynar @royal rose

(unless you beat Mama John's already?)

[royal rose]

I beat the normal version

The challenge mode version gave me PTSD

[tropic valve]

yeah the DP situation sucks

[deft rock]

Definition of "Humiliating"

How I can win 6-16

[glass monolith]

Take Kroos alter, Exu, Pozy or whatever and shoot frost Nova in face

Throw at her Gravel if she tries to move

[deft rock]

I have these units

[tropic valve]

https://youtu.be/JzRRHpw7IP8?si=3CcgmGXyY791MaNo
could try not blocking all the lanes to save DP on F6

[royal rose]

How do you even get 10 stacks on a unit, I thought 5 was the limit?

[spark sinew]

level your e2s to at least 20 ig
and then just borrow exu

[glass monolith]

It is device which copes different archetypes and has deployable to temporarly add +1 to each stack

[dark violet]

AH can superstack, no idea for schwarz

[tropic valve]

that device is Mama John exclusive

[spark sinew]

jesus

[royal rose]

Yeah, I got my resources

[spark sinew]

i wondered why tf there was kalafina playing

[royal rose]

I am not going to mald over SSS anymore

[dark violet]

AH isn't

[spark sinew]

then i realized it's just cirno music

didn't expect that

[royal rose]

May whoever designed the latest set of SSS stages stub their toe on a cabinet or something

[glass monolith]

He doesn't know of future SSS sets

[royal rose]

Are they even maldier?

[vernal lion]

do you like drone boss?

[royal rose]

Not much different from the jet pack guy in the poison mist platform, no?

[dark violet]

No nononono

[vernal lion]

say hello to Minimalist's friend

[spark sinew]

eh just degen it

[dark violet]

Nooooo

[spark sinew]

actually how is degen in sss

[dark violet]

Worst dorothy nightmare

[spark sinew]

she should be nutty with her 30 sp?

[royal rose]

Mate

[spark sinew]

but does require healing

[royal rose]

At least you can beat Mama John’s CM

I am not even worthy of being in the same chat room as you dalaos

[glass monolith]

I holed Mama John's because i could so i did

[spark sinew]

can you hole mechas with glad?

or need ange?

[dark violet]

I'll bring out my super power ceobe

[glass monolith]

Those are power armors, not mech so yea i think. You can hole Mama without Ange just need some blocker to prever her moving and keep Gladiia S2M3 spam

[spark sinew]

does "power armor" have a shorthand

[glass monolith]

It moves at speed of wanting to break your face

[spark sinew]

cause if not i'll keep calling them "mech"

[glass monolith]

And i think they appear like in DV-3 so rerun will be fun

I won't call them mech because it is DV enemy, and DV has mechs, and we seen them in POO

[spark sinew]

hmm

yeah that's very fair

very confusing if you talk about very different enemies but use the same name

[cosmic thicket]

can degen hit air idr

[vernal lion]

yes she can

[spark sinew]

yes

she's very balanced operator

[cosmic thicket]

bruh

[lapis hornet]

is lin actually good I kinda don't wanna mod3 someone who's mid

[gray stone]

Yes

Don't let anyone else convince you otherwise

[spark sinew]

what's your definition of mid

[lapis hornet]

like lower half of 6*

[fast basin]

you can have more than 5 stacks now?

[spark sinew]

oh man it's hard

[lapis hornet]

she didn't feel super fun back when I tried her

[spark sinew]

lower half of 6* are lower half for a reason so you forget some of them exist

[gray stone]

Should #strategy make a 6 star tier list

[spark sinew]

god forbid

but that would make for some fine popcorn sight

[glass monolith]

Someone could try but as soon as Archetto is not their S tier i will DDos them

[gray stone]

God is also a woman, so he is wrong

[spark sinew]

archetto can be in S tier

but we would need to invent a ton of tiers above

SS, SSS, EX

🏃‍♂️

[gray stone]

SEX tier

S and EX combined

[lapis hornet]

ultra pro max 15 Porsche ver tier

[spark sinew]

[gray stone]

yes

[tropic valve]

Lin is good

not mid

[spark sinew]

is she good if we consider that it costs mod3 to make her good though

[vernal lion]

yes

[tropic valve]

I would say yes, it's worth the expense because negating damage is a useful tool

[gray stone]

Well I'm gonna make a tier list anyway

[spark sinew]

scam
it can never roll promo on temp op, right
does it roll temp and then promo?
especially curious in cases like f3 boss ticket where some ops are promoted 🤔

[gray stone]

and bait arguments in #help

[spark sinew]

i shudder already

[tropic valve]

temp cannot be promo

unlike IS2

[spark sinew]

yeah i def remember why i didn't like e2 squads

only 4 e2 options are fun

[deft badger]

why are ex stages still locked

[vernal lion]

because it's still 1 hour left tho

[deft badger]

ah yeah ex stages are at 00CET

[lapis hornet]

hello I heard there was a tier list where can I find it?

[gray stone]

Man I'm rating Ebenholz higher than Eyja

[spark sinew]

he is better

eyja fell off

penance better

[gray stone]

Man I'm gonna get flamed for this

[spark sinew]

and then you have mulb/whisp

exalter> reed, real

[quick pecan]

you’re already baiting me

how goldenglow above gavialt and chong

[gray stone]

You're right GG goes down time

[gray stone]

ok fixed

I lied Chong goes down 2 places

[spark sinew]

how is penance above horn or kal

[quick pecan]

wtf

it’s getting worse

[lapis hornet]

wait actually ironwolf the pa og cn player with 933k views rates lin 27th so ig that does make her upper half, and since he's chinese and an og pa he can't be wrong

[quick pecan]

can any dalaos confirm lin 27th

[gray stone]

The section under is even worse lmao

[spark sinew]

wtf is ros niche

legitimately asking actually

[gray stone]

Throw down blockers

[proud drift]

Not being usable

[gray stone]

maybe I'm exaggerating its usefulness

[spark sinew]

move her to "niche (derogatory)"

[spark sinew]

lmao

[proud drift]

Cause a lot of the stages don’t allow her to throw down blockers

[spark sinew]

swap with lee

[gray stone]

I haven't ordered that section

[spark sinew]

lee is actually cool and has shitton of uses

[gray stone]

Yeah but the waifu players will flame me

[proud drift]

Why is Irene rated as bad

[spark sinew]

all of the push/taunt/status reflect

[gray stone]

Ask her SP gen

[proud drift]

And isn’t Swire from what I heard decent

[spark sinew]

can be used separately or together

[lapis hornet]

rosmo's niche is having twice mlynar's dmg lol!

[proud drift]

Ch’en also in shit tier

[gray stone]

Moving Phantom up too

[spark sinew]

also phantom is nice, not F

[lapis hornet]

(under very specific conditions but we don't care about that)

[proud drift]

[gray stone]

Ch'en is higher than Irene at least

[proud drift]

Archetto also in shit tier

[gray stone]

because she actually casts

[gray stone]

yeah, she's kinda pointless lmao

[proud drift]

You mean ur tierlist is

[gray stone]

ya

#help conversation starter

[quick pecan]

salmon chose hate

[lapis hornet]

it's ok salmon's a cn player and og ako strat member he can't be wrong

well he's not a cn player ig

or an og strater

but who cares

[quick pecan]

put hoederer in niche (affectionate) stunlocking golems is funny

[spark sinew]

salmon takes were always so hot i still have burns

[quick pecan]

[spark sinew]

literally trolling every message

but right now he mellowed out

[quick pecan]

ok fuck it i’m making one

[gray stone]

I am

[lapis hornet]

wow wtf there's a dalao amongus

[gray stone]

level 70ish so like

shit

[lapis hornet]

details

[gray stone]

I get to enter Exalter brainrot

when #help was at its peak Typhon brainrot

[soft crystal]

Chen over Irene is based

[gray stone]

Not very based, I think it's just facts

Lower damage is not a problem when Ch'en actually casts frequently

[soft crystal]

Based cause true

[spark sinew]

does chen hit air

no, right

[turbid badge]

s2

[gray stone]

Yes she hits air (S2)

[spark sinew]

on a good skill*

[turbid badge]

if u leviatate enemy on s3 when shes locked on it works

[spark sinew]

teta please

[turbid badge]

but normally cant hit

[quick pecan]

ok doing this on mobile fuckin sucks

[spark sinew]

just put chong

and done

[quick pecan]

réal

[spark sinew]

@tropic valve you need a relic for the feater+weedy double push right

[tidal sedge]

EX stages soon

[quick pecan]

i dont wanna grab my laptop

[tropic valve]

hmm

I think so?

I've never tried feater + weedy double

[spark sinew]

i'm getting such insane e2 targets this is 8th spec voucher istg

[tropic valve]

a FEater is basically a Weedy, without the cannon part

BUT if you manage to get 2 enemies blocked on FEater

[quick pecan]

chong ex

ines thighs hoederer boobs honorable mention

[tropic valve]

she gets +1

[tidal sedge]

I got 6 guard tickets in a row 2 runs ago

[quick pecan]

that’s it that’s the tierlist

[spark sinew]

oh so you need -1 weight from ange/hool to even push at all?

so they're implied?

[tropic valve]

I think so

[spark sinew]

oh i'm not complaining, i just get this selection

for 6 tickets out of 8

[tropic valve]

when I bring FEater to Izumik I usually use her S1 to just control waves

I'm not using her to push the boss

[spark sinew]

this is such an insane relic on class squads , i don't regret buying

[tropic valve]

I know she CAN be used for that, I just haven't attempted it

agreed

transceiver saves you from so much malding

[spark sinew]

i'm considering to just pick weedy/yato e1 and then e2 later

[turbid badge]

bro

[spark sinew]

but i think yato is ew

[turbid badge]

aint no way spiria not e2!

[spark sinew]

sorry i only e2 good units

like tomimi or leizi pre module

[latent anvil]

teta pro did you get himummus

[turbid badge]

Yes

It cost 7 hope

[tropic valve]

I think Weedy E2 is more important than Yato

[pallid veldt]

What floor

E2 weedy is big though yeah

[spark sinew]

i actually went and picked feater

[pallid veldt]

[spark sinew]

my ranged game is super weak though, for shawl

[jovial nest]

speaking of FEater, i want her 2nd skin to rerun

but its like almost every CNY-related stuff barely reruns or only happens once a year

[tropic valve]

you're running SpeCast right?

[spark sinew]

also missed determination again 🙂
anyone tried to only go for the very last encounter on f5

[tropic valve]

having a shawl squad would mean taking lots of casters

[spark sinew]

i usually try to snipe the ed4 last encounter first out of fear of missing

[tropic valve]

workable if you have those caster books

[spark sinew]

i got offered 1 caster voucher since shawl and 2 total if not counting starter

[prime trellis]

HE-5 help

[spark sinew]

like there's this encounter

[tropic valve]

I actually go for the very last quite often

and usually get it

maybe just lucky

[spark sinew]

and then those ones

usually?

or always

[tropic valve]

usually

[spark sinew]

eugh

[tropic valve]

I feel like the Determination appearance rate is higher on F5 than F4

[spark sinew]

well i'm at 30 light

[jovial nest]

ummmm

it's based on light

you meant the event itself?

[tropic valve]

frequently gone through F4 without seeing it, then see it first node of F5

[spark sinew]

so if i want it i need to try and force last encounters

[latent anvil]

Is exalt actually useful

[spark sinew]

actually idt i reach 100 regardless
only 3 battles guaranteeed = i'm at 75 light max

[jovial nest]

some obvious cons with lifesteal factors. But it's like imagine a strong af Highmore/La Pluma

[spark sinew]

he also amplifies all good reaper traits

typical true aoe (but he expands range)

[tidal sedge]

I liked what Tums said about him

[latent anvil]

I used pluma in long spring waste anni and never again after that

[spark sinew]

double hit so he lifesteals more

[latent anvil]

[tidal sedge]

Rng talent that affects healing, damage, and skill cycle all at once

[jovial nest]

I've just grown to really NOT like units that can't be healed normally

[latent anvil]

Is he worth 25 pulls or nah

[spark sinew]

and he is offensive recovery but his double hit also gives extra sp

i would go 200+

[latent anvil]

If you were to guarantee get him in 25 pulls from 0 pity would you do it

[jovial nest]

i wish Swordmasters did the same

btw

[spark sinew]

but i also literally pulled 250 for QB
in this case he's actually strong though

[jovial nest]

only pull for Exalter if your laning options are weak af

[latent anvil]

But qiubai is so op

[pallid veldt]

Exalter is even more op

Trust

[jovial nest]

[latent anvil]

He's better? Can't be

[tropic valve]

ngl I pulled for Quibai S2

the allure of ground Schwarz you know

[pallid veldt]

Source: i did his module mission and he was kinda gaming

[latent anvil]

Yea qiubai like schwarz ash schwarz all need good

[tropic valve]

but then I realized she wasn't ground Schwarz

[pallid veldt]

No one is ground schwarz

[latent anvil]

Saga

[tropic valve]

in shambles

[jovial nest]

if only there's an actual ground Schwarz

[pallid veldt]

True saga is ground schwarz

[tidal sedge]

Just get ranged shoes

[tropic valve]

so true

[tidal sedge]

Then Schwarz can be ground Schwarz

[latent anvil]

Well saga is not ground schwarz, saga is schwarz

They're the same

[turbid badge]

he is better

[tropic valve]

oh I threw a run the other day where I had ranged shoes, and I was like, nice I can cheese emergency OOC with Schwarz in bottom lane

entered with S2 by accident

[jovial nest]

ngl first thing I'd do with white shoes is put Typhon on the ground

of course she's not tanking

[latent anvil]

teta pro would you do 25 pulls for a guarantee exalt

[turbid badge]

guarenteed?

[latent anvil]

mhm

[pallid veldt]

Me when i mody instead of modx so i lose mech menace (very winnable) (best run of all time)

[tropic valve]

Typhon when there's an enemy blocked on her but she can't hit it

[turbid badge]

i alrady have him

i told u mine was 7 hope

[latent anvil]

If you knew you were gonna get him because you lucky would ya do 25

[turbid badge]

[jovial nest]

who the hell does 25 pulls?

[glass monolith]

Share waht was in not guaranteed 175 or where you are

[jovial nest]

so inconvenient

[turbid badge]

no

Just save

[latent anvil]

[pallid veldt]

What is the gap between rn and typhon and typhon and jo11

[jovial nest]

I have a lot of pulls that might get him. But alas, I've preplanned my squad 6 months from now and he's not in it

[turbid badge]

wtf

preplanned squad

[spark sinew]

why wouldn't you

[pallid veldt]

Bro has 6 month preplan squad skull

[latent anvil]

oh I have him im just wondering if I should regret putting 25 on him

[turbid badge]

lord mldules better be good

[latent anvil]

Thorns triple hit true dmg dot incoming

[turbid badge]

i need my qiubai luo xiao ayercsarpe leto to eat good

[latent anvil]

He's going to be useful

[turbid badge]

my ayerscarpe gonna starve

[spark sinew]

i actually have an urge to skip this and wait for sniper/caster tickets 🤔
since shawl
but maybe i'm missing some obvious guard/vang as well?

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Leto module actually sounds pretty nice.

More aspd on skill

[spark sinew]

lol regretting 25 pulls

[latent anvil]

I'm broke now

[vernal lion]

EX is out

[spark sinew]

typhon stinky anyway

[turbid badge]

wgz look at salt mines too much

seeing what he coulda got in 25 pulls

[spark sinew]

and like, 25 pulls, you were broke before anyway

nothing changed

[jovial nest]

anyways

it's EX time

[latent anvil]

Wtfart ex out

[jovial nest]

stop with this exalter simping immediately

[latent anvil]

No I started playing a diff game and wondered if I should burn all my ak pulls before quitting

[jovial nest]

btw don't forget to get your complementary records restore of UT

[latent anvil]

Good icon ye

[jovial nest]

I did that with Nikke. Just gonna say it right now, it never feels pleasant to get lucky the moment you wanna leave

so if you're srs, just stop

[latent anvil]

Oh yea I'm playing nikke now it's great

[jovial nest]

there's a reason i quit that game

[turbid badge]

wtf wgz on nikke

[jovial nest]

daily grind is shit, upgrading is shit, core gameplay is shallow

[latent anvil]

[tidal sedge]

I see EX-1 is swinging out the gate

[spark sinew]

better than hoed, so why would we

🏃‍♂️

[jovial nest]

thats like saying mlynar is better than Degen even though theyre vastly different roles

[turbid badge]

i got a freshly made knight bird

for EX

justyna less go

[latent anvil]

qiubai s1 is so op

[spark sinew]

yeah but exalter and hoed are similar roles

[jovial nest]

so do you use QB S1M3 regularly?

....ummm sure buddy

[spark sinew]

the disrespect towards exec

[jovial nest]

if I want to tank Steam Knight's punch, I'm gonna use Exalter

[spark sinew]

why are you using hoed for ssomething that hits 3 times lmao

[turbid badge]

howd s1 op

[spark sinew]

ty ty game

[glass monolith]

#strategy message Yes. Why use Hoed when you can just use Quartz, much cheaper

[spark sinew]

yeah but jusan actually either thinks hoed can tank this

or actually wants to invest so much into it instead of just using hoshi

idk which is worse

[tropic valve]

technically Hoed survives 1 Falcon Punch from SK right

with his huge HP

however, getting him back to full HP is gonna take a lot of healing

[little orchid]

this is funni. turns out, you can use hool to save kevins

[vernal lion]

why do you ban these tiles lol

I don't even need them

[jovial nest]

i have both options

of the superDEF and the superHP

yeah invest so much on Hoshi, still shit as a tank for anything non-physical

it's also the value of the tank being able to damage dangerous bosses substantially. Something I would not even dream about with Hoshi or Nian

either way, this topic surfaced because of our whole dynamic with Exalter vs Hoed. I don't think they're similar at all

[spark sinew]

i mean you can keep coping hoed

[jovial nest]

and i don't need Exalter's kit

[spark sinew]

but that SK is just a bad example

[jovial nest]

sure it's a stretch

we have yet to get a high damage arts/true damage worth considering for now

hmmm

how much does Walmart Faust deal in his arts shot in d15?

either way

Exalter's kit and Hoed's kit are so different from one another that I don't see why you're comparing them as if they do the same thing

the only closeness they have is they both block

[vernal lion]

nice lol

[jovial nest]

and lane

[spark sinew]

they lane yes

which is like

99% of the stuff you'll use them for

[jovial nest]

then we should also compare them to the likes of Mountain

[tropic valve]

around 9k I think

[spark sinew]

my main dps would probably be leizi

what are the chances of-12 res book dropping from f6

[limpid siren]

leizi sweep

[tropic valve]

not very high

[spark sinew]

that was a cry for help

[limpid siren]

[spark sinew]

[jovial nest]

12 res book requires amt of casters, right?

[spark sinew]

defender, supporter in shop
guard/vang in the battle
i'm thinking to just pick up ines but honestly melees are kinda dead anyway

not sure between shamare/skadi/something else

[turbid badge]

what is that gravel

[spark sinew]

i had 7 spec vouchers without 6*

man gotta make do

she's kinda crappy with mlynar

[spark sinew]

wait, are you jealous of my mastery

i have catapult sl6 if you want

[turbid badge]

iwona op for chapter 12

[vernal lion]

tbh tho, the EASIEST EX stage in this event

[lethal dragon]

I feel nauseous just from looking at This event's stages

[south bone]

which stage is this

[vernal lion]

HE-EX-5

[south bone]

is is actually the easiest

[vernal lion]

easier than EX-1 for sure

[jovial nest]

I wonder if I'm semi-trust farming it

I have like 8 ops left that aren't 200% trust

so i got like 4 solid ops i can bring

plus the trust ops have a raised Mizuki and Muel

[tropic valve]

same but I only have 5 ops to trustfarm so it's not too bad

[vernal lion]

this one is easy too

[spark sinew]

don't forget about ex3 as well

[vernal lion]

yea I did that too

[spark sinew]

time to try my bruteforce comp for the event

[vernal lion]

this event is totally built for vg, summoner and executor

[jovial nest]

or Guardians

but yeah they might not kill fast enough

[vernal lion]

most of enemies are thief, they will just steal your dp to be empty

so you need to kill them asap, or let your summon pet stall them

[tidal sedge]

Everything but arts guy just do nothing to defenders ye

But that's why enemies do something annoying every few hits. To punish just sitting on them

[vernal lion]

actually Fortuna is kinda a 'mini boss' tho

[tidal sedge]

Fortuna kinda goes both ways on the matter

Defender with skill can soak her, but her reloading into your formation could be very bad

Also I forgot about EX-3 medal

[sly drift]

This shit easy?

I'm on 4th attempts already

[spark sinew]

trapper?

[turbid badge]

what

[vernal lion]

isn't ex-3 medal about protecting those statues

I thought it will be pretty easy tho

unless you didn't kill the bat

[tidal sedge]

It is

I just forgot it was a thing at all. Not that it is hard

[turbid badge]

these bats have nothing on the rock birds

[sly drift]

We surely can tell by looking at your squad

[spark sinew]

yeah hindering himself with bad ops

like texas

[jovial nest]

barely even comparable to what d15 IS3 ranged attacks from elite enemies

[tropic valve]

ah yes the funny rock birds

that one-shot some defenders

[jovial nest]

frequenting D15 makes you feel like everything's inadequate within it. Outside of it, everything's barely affecting you

I want MH rerun

just so i can test Saria Y on their asses

oh yeah

this is a good time for me to be more aware of deployment unit limit averages

so far it's mostly 8

[jovial nest]

thats not fair. There's like a bajillion of them

that stage was easy af just because i kept triggering their rocks with Tex2 and Ya2

[south bone]

now that I entered this stage, i can see why it's easy

[vernal lion]

this event is just ch12 alter tho

you stall for too long, you're dead

[jovial nest]

stalling though is something you want in ch12 due to inspections solving your issue

HE is kill asap

[vernal lion]

you don't even need to stall the civis tho

[jovial nest]

also i think it's time for me to stop holding back.

[vernal lion]

you only need to reveal them

[jovial nest]

go all srs cause the DP demands are pretty high

[vernal lion]

for enough time

[latent anvil]

these stages are disturbing

[vernal lion]

I like these stages tho

but again, it's not quite challenge much

NL is still the one that I like most

[latent anvil]

i have skill issue

[spark sinew]

vanguard issue more like

swap to flagpipe

the dp needed is p brutal

[jovial nest]

the fuck? they change how they go to statues?

[spark sinew]

what's the point of ex4 statues

[vernal lion]

I don't even need any other vg tho, just Ines

[tidal sedge]

I've been fine with just MuMu so far myself

[spark sinew]

flagpipe makes this veasy
i mean you can still clear obviously, but i switched to flags on ex2 and have no complaints

[latent anvil]

[jovial nest]

I allow Myrtle + Ines in teams cause of the 8 deployment averages

being greedy in lessening vanguards can only be of value depending on how many ops you can actually drop

[spark sinew]

bruh

[vernal lion]

I did all stages with only Ines as a vg, pretty sure you can

[spark sinew]

ines griefing me again

and civ spawning in the middle of the stage....

[vernal lion]

it's fine tho, you will have plenty of dp anyway

[latent anvil]

okay i bring ines as my vg

[spark sinew]

i do have mumu as well

and ines

obviously overkill but like

[latent anvil]

ill just

triple flag bagpipe ines mumu it

[spark sinew]

triple flag ✝️

we have 2 flags only

[latent anvil]

and saga flametail too

[turbid badge]

wtf

i tried saga again cuz luo xizo

but forgot how boring vg is

[vernal lion]

the only vg that ain't be boring is Ines

[turbid badge]

true

shes free

[jovial nest]

And Flags because they accelerate the time you won't need them

[vernal lion]

I honestly find out s3 is pretty fun to play

[jovial nest]

it is fun. But S2 is too solid

she becomes a really decent laner with it

[spark sinew]

ex4 looks annoying with 1 vg

also all those rolling rocks make it kinda hard to find value in mumu

[turbid badge]

lol

[spark sinew]

i only didn't leak on normal because of pause deploy
E: yeah switched to texas yato s2 instead of s3 and added phantom
stage is easy obviously but it looks super shitty for newer players

[verbal sparrow]

what do people think about Insider's higher ATK as a sniper?

[deft badger]

i am getting a headache

[turbid badge]

[frozen cedar]

you got a week, why do all the EX stages day 1?

[jovial nest]

he's a marksman so.....

[south bone]

because

[deft badger]

because i am not teta

who waits to the last hour to do 🛸

[south bone]

what the hell is a teta

[deft badger]

i am kidding btw, i have sanity packs that have to be wasted

@turbid badge this does doesn't know what a "teta" is

[spark sinew]

wait, you don't do them in one-two days?

[jovial nest]

2-3 days for me

[deft badger]

this stage is annoying btw...

[jovial nest]

depending on how much practice i burn

[deft badger]

u practice?

xD

[jovial nest]

i practice if the first time fails

the first time try

with 100% discount

and THESE CIVS

really burn em

[turbid badge]

shrimple

[deft badger]

they are pretty easy, just wasted 20 sanity on that he-ex-7 cm

[jovial nest]

btw I'm just hypothesizing

I've only done EX1 and 2 and their CMs

[spark sinew]

this event takes too much attention, so it becomes hard

[jovial nest]

with 0 practices burned

[turbid badge]

civs not fun

[turbid badge]

yeah

[jovial nest]

babysitting Tal is fine

[turbid badge]

have to keep my eyes on them its like taking care of another lane

[spark sinew]

some random shit spawns
civs wanting to suicide

[jovial nest]

at least she doesn't die in one shot

ffs civs panic even when there's no enemies

[spark sinew]

civilian spawning in the middle of the stage

like ew

[turbid badge]

i havent finished the rock on

one

[jovial nest]

they just have sudden panic attacks the moment their blood pressure gets too high

[turbid badge]

where its like a mudslide

[jovial nest]

from doing fuckall

[spark sinew]

hold the top right with like saria

[latent anvil]

[turbid badge]

yeah im using monster

[spark sinew]

stage pmuch done

[turbid badge]

Or was

[limpid siren]

decent noob marksman

[turbid badge]

civ almost ded

[limpid siren]

he can scale to keep up with some of the high def aerial enemies that marksman traditionally struggle against

more developed rosters won't really care about him

[verbal sparrow]

who fulfills his roles better

[spark sinew]

you can block tile below kjera

[limpid siren]

firewatch

[turbid badge]

oh i was lazy

[spark sinew]

and basically deploy nothing everywhere else

[turbid badge]

oh right

cm

[spark sinew]

yeah cm

[limpid siren]

platinum is debatable, they're fairly similar in terms of dph

[spark sinew]

actually, i think you lost the medal

[limpid siren]

insider dumps his skill damage fast though, and cycles quickly

[jovial nest]

statue ded tho

[limpid siren]

what are you trying to demonstrate here

[verbal sparrow]

higher skill DPS and average DPS

[limpid siren]

and?

[jovial nest]

dude

ummmm

one is a marksman

the other doesn't prioritize aerial enemies

so.....

[limpid siren]

that's not really relevant

[verbal sparrow]

Igneus suggested firewatch fulfills insider's role better

[limpid siren]

she does

she's a much higher dph unit

with a much longer skill duration

[jovial nest]

the role of their subclass?

[limpid siren]

better range

and invisibility

she also has a functional second skill

they're dph units

so comparing dps is the wrong thing to look at

[jovial nest]

especially when marksmen that aren;t buffed

usually lose out on DPS

[verbal sparrow]

comparing DPS would be good to look at if you need to down aerial units quickly

[limpid siren]

not really

[jovial nest]

down aerial units quickly

those that move fast usually die fast

those flyers that are tanky

don't need immediate damage

you just nuke em

when you're ready

[limpid siren]

?

[jovial nest]

he's talking about the need to down aerial units quickly

since when did we need to kill flyers that quickly?

[limpid siren]

that's the leaves on the tree

[gray stone]

Wait Insider use S1?

[limpid siren]

no

insider uses s2

[jovial nest]

there's a lot of ranged option that can solve flying units

[gray stone]

[limpid siren]

i just mean that firewatch has two usable skills

[gray stone]

true

[jovial nest]

there's also the justification of, if the fast flying units come with other ground units

so aerial priorities might take play

and considerations of long ranged AoE that hits flying enemies

most of the time....Marksmen for old players are....

[gray stone]

Finding your old account is funny because 90% of the units shown here dom't even have sl7

From that list, only 4 do

[limpid siren]

💪

[lapis hornet]

better acc than mine wtf

[jovial nest]

....r u sure?

[gray stone]

BP, Amiya, FEater and Manticore
That's the only sl7 units in the image

[turbid badge]

fartooth fun

[jovial nest]

i meant cvcake

[turbid badge]

make your own tile tm

[gray stone]

Nah cake is trolling half the time

the other half cake is only half trolling

[jovial nest]

so 75%

the odds are high

need to

[limpid siren]

i've never seen cake tell a joke

most serious man i know

[latent anvil]

me too

[gray stone]

Chat, wanna rate my tier list

[quick pecan]

why is chat comparing insider and firewatch

[deft badger]

so he-ex-8 i am not even going to smash my brain around that
time for youtube 🫏

[gray stone]

Sniper

[quick pecan]

the viktorlab is assuming firewatch gets ranged / no hit enemy bonus and insider is getting marksman module atk scale for full durations

it’s already a cooked comparison

[gray stone]

I mean, the enemy is question is a ranged air enemy no?

I don't backread that much but I assume it's the bats

[quick pecan]

the bats in this event??

dude a freakin kroos kills them

[turbid badge]

oh umm let me uhh check this side of the map rq, beeeep civilian fell into hole

[gray stone]

This event tests people's attention span

[foggy grove]

random beep and gameover

[gray stone]

It's true, I'm the people

[limpid siren]

it's not that cooked

they're both dph oriented units

[quick pecan]

i’m also people

[foggy grove]

i was practicing cm then sudden game over pop up

[quick pecan]

seems like a losing battle for a marksman then

[turbid badge]

phantom is really good

this event

[limpid siren]

i mean yea

[gray stone]

yeah, that's why Firewatch W

[quick pecan]

unless targetting comes into play but idk if there’s anything in event w def lower than bat

[limpid siren]

firewatch do be kinda hard to outmuscle in her wheelhouse

[merry narwhal]

this sounds like an event for enforcer

[quick pecan]

to make firewatch do the funny targetting

[gray stone]

A lot of holes you can cheese with his special push mechanic tbh

this event is just full of holes

[merry narwhal]

can't wait to play the ex stages

[gray stone]

You can now

[quick pecan]

how did making those ranged fuckers invisible make the challenge mode so much harder

[gray stone]

Sniper pot in the red cert shop

[limpid siren]

[merry narwhal]

lies

[gray stone]

May or may not ruin my progression for +24 ATK

[merry narwhal]

i would use it on Melanite

[limpid siren]

can leave the pots there for a while

[merry narwhal]

they don't refresh :(

[quick pecan]

man i borrowed a gavialt

[limpid siren]

+24 atk is nice, but you're more likely to get held back for a different reason atm

[gray stone]

For 2 years now

[quick pecan]

remembered why i shilled her

s2 too dank

[turbid badge]

farooth snipes

[gray stone]

A non-functional base yeah
Like, my year 0 self is braindead enough to go 333 not maxed out until level 70

[merry narwhal]

i got p5 Skadi today, 2% ATK for all AH

incredible

[turbid badge]

wtf i was thinking of that

but i got a weedy pot instead

[gray stone]

damn, teta L

I'm debating whether or not I should buy Angie for collection

[merry narwhal]

no

[turbid badge]

u dont have ehr??

for certs or

[merry narwhal]

i don't have her either, but seriously don't

you'll need those yellows for Arturia and Lemuen

[turbid badge]

just use ho ol for weightless fr

[gray stone]

I don't

But collection

[cosmic thicket]

no balls

[gray stone]

I'm off by like 5 units

[merry narwhal]

why ask if you won't listen to advice anyways

[turbid badge]

how many do you have

[merry narwhal]

knock yourself out

[gray stone]

Yeah, I decided to save for Typhon/Eyja pulls

[quick pecan]

need to save for next male

[gray stone]

Since Angie is a meme

[quick pecan]

mmm hoederer

[turbid badge]

angie op

[gray stone]

nah, she deserves to be in the lowest pit of hell

[cosmic thicket]

actually no balls

[merry narwhal]

Angie is not worse than Carnelian wtf

[gray stone]

When a unit is more relevant in their niche at sl1

[turbid badge]

angie makes stainless s3 dps go crazy

[cosmic thicket]

ok this is actually absurd

[turbid badge]

its a tierlist dont takeit as face value

[jovial nest]

indeed

[pallid veldt]

this is absurd 💢 no more mister nice guy 😡

[gray stone]

My tier list
So you know it's shit

[jovial nest]

can't even fathom why Pallas is there

[merry narwhal]

what happened to Ash

[cosmic thicket]

no way you're saying a 10 on 25 off is better than a 25 on 25 off

[merry narwhal]

wasn't she pretty good

[gray stone]

Pointless
Like, really

[jovial nest]

It's someone else's tierlist. Don't consider it too hard.

But ngl

Marksmen usage fell off the map for me

[gray stone]

She needs an enemy to be stunnable to be dealing less damage than other ops anyway

[karmic glade]

I only used angie for RA repair for like the last year

[limpid siren]

tier list good

[pallid veldt]

the tierlist is funny i like it

[lapis hornet]

listen respected cn player and pa og ironwolf rates ange 53th out of 81 so you're clearly wrong

[merry narwhal]

i did a tier list once but people figured out way too quickly that I used the starting letters of the operator names for the tiers

[gray stone]

support from pro player disa

[turbid badge]

wow pa og again

where i meet

[limpid siren]

53th

[merry narwhal]

how good is Arturia

[jovial nest]

it's not even easy to make a tierlist without having a LOT of asterisks on how they graded it

[pallid veldt]

53th out of 81th

[lapis hornet]

wait 55th I can't read but same thing

[gray stone]

Cool

[merry narwhal]

Good take, thanks

[limpid siren]

it's easy to make a tier list

by labelling your tiers properly

[gray stone]

I rate her Niche (Affectionate)

[turbid badge]

I rate her niche ( DEROGATORY)

[merry narwhal]

read HE

[cosmic thicket]

should i send an outdated tier list

[jovial nest]

yeah my last tier would be labelled "Don't use or no longer using"

[merry narwhal]

Arturia is

[gray stone]

no send mine

[turbid badge]

get one from ako

general

[limpid siren]

i think people get stuck in the whole S A B C D bs

[pallid veldt]

is this urs

[gray stone]

Nightingale at the top is this from Arkchive

[cosmic thicket]

from 1 month ago

[merry narwhal]

bro has a Bland tier but didn't put Skadi there. Based

[cosmic thicket]

read the categories

[gray stone]

so true

[pallid veldt]

i think skalter looks pretty cool

[limpid siren]

i like separating stuff like medics out from dps

[jovial nest]

I'd swap lol and lmao even

[pallid veldt]

i agree

mlynar is more of a lmao

[jovial nest]

the 2 frd gods are just too good

[gray stone]

Swap the names, not the op, got it

[turbid badge]

but than it wouldn’t be even

itll be odd

[jovial nest]

in being spammable value

[pallid veldt]

oh i dont think they are better than mlynar i just think they fit the name better

cause lmao even implies that its even more heinously broken

[jovial nest]

am i blind?

I don't see Hoederer

well

its not like they can put every ops there

[cosmic thicket]

hoe's in "niche derogatory" on salmon's list

[turbid badge]

hes niche deograotry

[lapis hornet]

igneus as a respected en player and ld og how do you rate this tier list

[gray stone]

I literally don't know what he is supposed to do

[turbid badge]

hos hair doesnt look like old one

[jovial nest]

ah there we go

[pallid veldt]

LD og big if true

[gray stone]

like another 3 block DPS?

[jovial nest]

I do, and it's something most players wouldn't bother with, boss dueling.

[limpid siren]

i think every tier list is correct

[gray stone]

and not outperforming Exalter

[pallid veldt]

cake as a respected EN player and new player og how do you rate this tierlist

[lapis hornet]

I rate it lmao/10

[pallid veldt]

lol even

[gray stone]

Making a tier list makes you realize there are a lot of nuances that you really can't rate with a letter grade

[jovial nest]

either way, I can see the value in Exalter but i guess it just doesn't gel with me anymore to use enmities or off-recs

[gray stone]

so words are funnier and works better so

except the bottom tier, that one deserves an F

[latent anvil]

how can jessica be that kind of meatbag

[jovial nest]

even if you specify, grading sometimes goes more than one ways.

even if we go with "gameplay strength"

there's too many considerations

[lapis hornet]

not grading by letter is just a cope out smh

[gray stone]

I had a hard time ranking Mountain

literally doesn't know where to put him

[jovial nest]

Mountain wouldn't be high on my list

the need for cheap laners these days aren't as warranted for me as before

since Ines, Tex2, Ya2 usually solves those annoying rushes

[gray stone]

He's usually a really good pick that works every time as an early plug

[verbal sparrow]

shining?

[gray stone]

and unlike Vanguards, he doesn't fall off a cliff when elites come out

[gray stone]

Yeah, and?

[jovial nest]

i'd still bring him because there's for some weird reason a map wherein I'd like to have 6 goddamn ground operators

just joking yes

[verbal sparrow]

haven't seen shining shine for a while

[jovial nest]

but it sounds like something i wanna do

[jovial nest]

cc12 was recent

[gray stone]

You miss out on every CC statistics
Shining being a consistent top usage pick

May fall down once Eyjaberry comes out tho

[verbal sparrow]

I guess I just remember people shitting on shining since launch

[jovial nest]

you should remember how much NG was shat on

until CC3 happened

or JT8-3

whatever came first

[gray stone]

DM

[turbid badge]

shining st healing w mod isnt that bad either

[jovial nest]

even DM huh

but yeah

[gray stone]

Worldcursers shit on people

[jovial nest]

Eyjaberry's kind of solid for me in regards that

her utility is just packing

[gray stone]

What utility?

[mossy ore]

what the fuck is this HE-EX-3 medal

[jovial nest]

max HP is overall useful, built in ele healer, and S1 is strong af heal value

[gray stone]

The utility is just "she heals a fuck ton" and neutralizing elemental damage which doesn't happen in the next 6 months

[jovial nest]

think of it like this

Shining = DEF

NG = RES

[foggy grove]

eyja looks good but idk feels people overselling her

[jovial nest]

Eyja = Max HP

[foggy grove]

by a tonne

[jovial nest]

i can say the same thing for Exalter

[verbal sparrow]

what skills and mods are people using Shining for ?

[jovial nest]

in a market riddled with good guards

[gray stone]

At the end of the day, she's a healer
You use 1 healer a squad, sometimes 2, and move on

[jovial nest]

and then there's me....Skalter, Saria, Eyjaberry, Reedic

[gray stone]

The thing is that he's beating all of these good guards you are talking about
Same thing with Eyja, but the thing is that Eyja heals and Exalter do damage

[foggy grove]

idm exa propaganda just because he is so underrated

he is not on people radar before

[turbid badge]

generally s2, if the map is heavy ill rather use her s3 but i rarely use medics silater , skalter kal enough for me

[foggy grove]

some people call him shit even

[jovial nest]

he's solid

just oversold in my eyes

[gray stone]

If anything he's undersold

[jovial nest]

there's still annoying cons to being an enmity tied to off rec

and I've experienced those annoyances in IS3 D15 too much

[gray stone]

the vast majority of the players will still consider Typhon over him because out of outdated opinions

[jovial nest]

but i guess almost all ops

feel like shit in D15

when relic is shit

[jovial nest]

different roles. And I've not seen Typhon's relevance or value diminish in CN

[verbal sparrow]

generally I just bring lumen or NG
silence alter is an interesting pick

[gray stone]

So does Exalter but here we are

[jovial nest]

then i must be seeing the wrong CN players

[foggy grove]

shining s2>lumen tbh if you want afk

[gray stone]

unless your thing is IS4 d15 clears

which is weird, because most Snipers pick there are

[turbid badge]

yeah this

[pallid veldt]

IS3 tierlist mfw

[quick pecan]

ppl get mad when you tell them he wants a module

[jovial nest]

anything that ain't high risk CC and D15 IS is basically a free for all on how you play the game anyway

[quick pecan]

those same ppl will then max mod texalter and yato for like a few % gain

[gray stone]

Weird take but ok

[quick pecan]

[gray stone]

I accept Greyy alter shills but not in this context

[jovial nest]

shitting on tex2 ya2's modules....weird

[quick pecan]

i’m not shitting on them

[turbid badge]

my texas mod 2 and yato no mod

[quick pecan]

but to call exalter expensive

when they’re doing that for yato / texalter

[gray stone]

Not weird, considering how expensive they are and how little gains they have

[quick pecan]

THATS weird

[gray stone]

Exalter having infinitely better gains and getting slapped with "But he needs investment to work"