strategy

[rugged hound]

Yeah, but then what's the point of using it cause it doesn't cover herself. The whole point of it is to protect other operators by making her the main target

[karmic glade]

but it does? or are you using s1

[rugged hound]

I'm using skill group camoflauge

[karmic glade]

Group Camouflage does cover herself

[strange fable]

Is ur heavyrain blocking the caster

cuz that might be why shes getting targeted

[rugged hound]

No, she's the closest, but when I activate camouflage, she's still being targetted.

[strange fable]

Show screenshot

[rugged hound]

Give me 30 minutes

I'll try to show it after eating lunch

[spark sinew]

erato paradox is weird

where's her actual partner Mr Nothing
E: oh it's blem s2

[vernal lion]

it's not weird if they bring all Sleep skills

Erato can snipe the first egg

[spark sinew]

i'm pretty sure i did it completely wrong

but it's very forgiving paradox E: so it somehow still cleared

[vernal lion]

save Blemi skill for last wave

all you need is just spam Kafka and Bn

[latent anvil]

Try no trust e2 l1 sl1 mayer

That one is fun

[latent anvil]

Maybe it's not possible on p1 tho

It's just like

[spark sinew]

can you even do this though

[latent anvil]

Triple sora rng

[latent anvil]

No

[spark sinew]

is it level/skill locked?

[latent anvil]

For Vulcan?

[spark sinew]

yes

[latent anvil]

I mean all paradox are skill locked right?

[spark sinew]

uhh
i think not all

[latent anvil]

They're supposed to be clearable at e2 1 sl7 is what I mean

[spark sinew]

that said sl1 nothing i couldn't clear

oh?

[latent anvil]

E2 l1 sl7 should be minimum for every para

[spark sinew]

snowsant is weird

i have no idea how her pull works

[latent anvil]

I can't do bibeak or feater one

Or nothing vulcan

They all sl1

[spark sinew]

yeah i have no idea how s2 pulls

it should pull everyone in range, no?

[latent anvil]

Er

Rain definitely did some testing on that

Cuz snowsant is very weird I remember

[spark sinew]

it feels very random on what it pulls

despite everything seemingly being in the range

[latent anvil]

"pre nerf snowsant just neglected shift rules and applied guaranteed unbalance"

[spark sinew]

it seems to...focus on the tip of her range

and has some small aoe there

so i probably should deploy her a tile to the left

ok that's def it

so stupid

snowsant clears at sl1

[lapis hornet]

yeah pullers target farthest enemy think it's common to all of them? not 100% sure I'm not a shift enjoyer

[sinful sail]

How do I most efficently use Shurayuki

[spark sinew]

i think cliff just targets regardless

but tbf she's limited in targets

yeah same with gladiia

[livid delta]

After she throws a star you can activate her skill again to reset her attack animation and throw another one

When lining her up make sure the target is centered to her range or else you'll end up getting shirayuki's s2 bug

Her stars tick for 3 but sometimes the wrong angle can cause her to only tick 2

You also do it to avoid her throwing stars to dead enemies wasting her damage

[sinful sail]

What skill

[livid delta]

S2

[sinful sail]

Oh

[craggy turret]

WR-EX-6 CM? It all works out till the last wave where mlys skill doesn't last long enough. This is the squad I've had the most success with

Heres the set up, mumu summon is exu

[fast basin]

You can change their color so you can actually block them near blue box, i forgot the sequence tho

[craggy turret]

I think it's doable with a qui bai

The way I have it set up

But qui bai is never in supp

[spark sinew]

i mean we can remedy that

i suppose

or you can look up a guide how to setup it to block yeah

[fast basin]

I have no qiu bai chief, try #friend-id 🫡

[craggy turret]

I did and I got completely unrelated units, even after specifying I'm looking for a qui Bai

[fast basin]

Whats your borrow unit

[craggy turret]

What I have on supp in general? I think it's dusk and mumu rn

[fast basin]

I mean what do you borrow to clear the stage

[craggy turret]

Nothing? No qui Bai on supp so idk what else to take

I've refreshed alot

[fast basin]

Try texalter maybe, she's nice with the stuns

[craggy turret]

This is alr at deployment limit

[fast basin]

Retreat muelsyse, she's not doing any real damage i think

[craggy turret]

She's there for the bind

So I can group them up for mly

[fast basin]

If you want to delay them, why not put the most left box beside thorns up? So thorns can actually do something

[spark sinew]

i mean magallan or dorothy would be good to borrow

thorns looks iffy here but i assume you just ran out of units

[craggy turret]

Extra dmg while they just stand there

[fast basin]

Put most left bottom rb to top left

[spark sinew]

so much damage

[fast basin]

It being there make thorns pointless

[spark sinew]

is that a lot

[craggy turret]

I thought maybe Fia + stainless but they stay at the edge of her range so her dmg is negligible

[spark sinew]

can mountain push them

[fast basin]

Hell nah, that's as heavy as shieldguards

[craggy turret]

I gave weedy a go but I don't have mastery on her

[craggy turret]

No mastery on S3

[spark sinew]

i was going to say borrow but lol

even if it worked gl finding mountain s3 borrow

i'm curious if current roster can bruteforce this without blocking at all

-atkspd on cm removes a lot of units though

like exealter feels shit

[craggy turret]

everyone feels like shit

[spark sinew]

offensive recovery feel worse

that said idk if i cut thorns

[craggy turret]

Main problem is the limited ranged tiles

[craggy turret]

Yea Irene is there cuz I was testing her out

Idk who could take over DPS from mly to get that last wave

[spark sinew]

wtf is a ranged tile

[craggy turret]

Quibai hiiii

[spark sinew]

you can search a guide to use boxes correctly

i think it's supposed to be a puzzle stage

but HG shows their pathing like shit

so most people bruteforced

[craggy turret]

Unfortunately, brain smooth

[spark sinew]

i did propose mine above, thought you didn't want to

[spark sinew]

that's why yt exists

[craggy turret]

Oh wait here ya go

[spark sinew]

jesus chongyue punches in slow mo

[craggy turret]

Yea it's just

Brain rotting

[spark sinew]

ok yeah borrow yato s3

[craggy turret]

I don't think anybody would have yato S3 over S2

I have my own yato, just no mastery on s3

[spark sinew]

s3 is the better skill

[lost summit]

Try a rosmontis

she'

[spark sinew]

but yeah it basically oneshots

[lost summit]

s crazy for the leftovers

[craggy turret]

So this then retreat thorns for the last wave to replace with ros?

[spark sinew]

do you have more slows

[craggy turret]

But she'd only attack blocked wouldn't she?

[spark sinew]

like mud saria or support dorothy

[lost summit]

Wait I'm not familiar with the map

I just saw Who is Real

sorry gimme a sec

[lost summit]

Ling is crazy too

4 block is nice

[spark sinew]

why don't you use mud

but on a good skill

[craggy turret]

Problem is the last wave

[fast basin]

@craggy turret

[craggy turret]

S2 best mud skill, you can't change my mind on this

[fast basin]

Actual brute forced

[craggy turret]

Mostima for the slows?

[spark sinew]

but somehow my mud clears this with bad skill then

[fast basin]

Mostima module gives global slow, and she can kill leaks easily

[craggy turret]

Cc12 flashbacks

[spark sinew]

qb is very meh here actually it seems

[craggy turret]

Speaking of cc 12 actually...would spectrealt die to an aak buff?

[fast basin]

Im using auto skills on all my ground units

If ur using stronger skills, its super easy

[spark sinew]

she suffers from the fact that her initial attacks are slow af

[craggy turret]

Ur not using mumu so less binds

[spark sinew]

???

[craggy turret]

Friendly fire but intentional

[spark sinew]

but yes i don't use mumu for that

she catches leaks

which is not needed

[fast basin]

Specalt is too tanky for aak shots i think

[craggy turret]

Damn, thought I had a big brain moment

Gonna walk the dog and brb

[spark sinew]

oh you have 16 blocks

so you can do a maze as well

man this map is fun with today's ops and stuff

back then we had what, maga?

brb seeing how cn did this in 2 ops

lmao

there's solo dorothy as well
and mlynar/texas/degen/yato

makes sense, they give a lot of blocks

[glass monolith]

Also there was trim medal for low roadblock use count

[spark sinew]

oh that's why

well this clears pretty braindead ~~but you need to juggle last block
is there some ground slower that i'm missing

saria is clunky

[cosmic thicket]

didn't ILA post a la pluma solo

[spark sinew]

ambushers are kneecaped byatkspd

[spark sinew]

maybe?

[cosmic thicket]

oh it's nm not cm

[spark sinew]

there's pluma solo of normal

but cm condition is honestly pretty brutal for autoattackers

[cosmic thicket]

what's cm again

block -1?

[spark sinew]

Allied Melee Operators have decreased ASPD but increased DEF, and 3 extra Roadblocks are placed beforehand.

[cosmic thicket]

🐴

i see

[high shadow]

ooo what site is this

[spark sinew]

https://en.arkrec.com/operation/WR-EX-6+当关

[craggy turret]

Yea sorry bak

[spark sinew]

@craggy turreti would rec borrowing yato or dorothy instead of qb also because i found out i have no slots, but also QB is kinda bad, like usual

way easier and they can do 99% of the map

you can see some cool clears on link above as well. can probably copy mlynar solo placement, you don't even need juggle blocks for the dogs, since you can kill them

[lost summit]

I got it done

Not too bad

Texalter is MVP tho

EX 7 is so easy though

[dark violet]

I approve using dorothy

[radiant plinth]

BLEGH

[turbid badge]

dolo

[rugged hound]

So how many operators are there that apply the cold condition? I want to build Aurora

[turbid badge]

counting aurora its 6?

[cyan gorge]

Gnosis, Kjerra, Pramanix (only with mod 3)

[turbid badge]

kjera gnosi aurora sant pram nvm its 5

[rugged hound]

Well I only know Aurora and Gnosis

Okay, good to know

Is there a way to extend debuff conditions?

[turbid badge]

only is relics

[cyan gorge]

apply more

[turbid badge]

or stuff like

little handy

no operator can extend debuff time etc

[radiant plinth]

?

[turbid badge]

dalao

[radiant plinth]

ah

theres 1 problem left

[rugged hound]

shame

Well I'm going to be off making a stall team

[cyan gorge]

Freeze stall?

why not just

Erato + Mr nothing

[turbid badge]

cross en voice : shock

[unborn wind]

can the he8 boss reduce block count to 0?

[jovial nest]

Its only -2 block

To all units in field

[cyan gorge]

it's -1 on phase 1, -2 on second

[jovial nest]

So a freshly dropped ops doesnt have the debuff yet

[cyan gorge]

so technically yes 2 block ops or less can have 0 block

[jovial nest]

[cyan gorge]

Dollkeepers can ignore the mechanics by swapping to doll form

[jovial nest]

Does Kazemaru have an immediate doll summoning?

[cyan gorge]

not in the way Spalter does it

Her s2 is always half her current hp

idr if she can die from it

but she dies from s1

[frozen cedar]

e0 only borrow amiya?

[radiant plinth]

Yea

[frozen cedar]

you truly are 0 sanity

[turbid badge]

i love how it does this

big ma

p

[deft badger]

i am still rerolling btw

started like 12 hours ago, still didn't get a acc with exe alter

[jovial nest]

[deft badger]

took some breaks btw

so do i call the banner rigged or did they make some changes when it comes to odds when u are starting a new acc

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just luck issue

[jovial nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/648597785444220941/1013410073386692628/871662531771498556.gif

[deft badger]

i suspect them for a longer time now rigging some banners
btw i don't wanna shit of them since i am more then thankful and they are generous but i have a problem with tweaking stuff

[jovial nest]

They didnt. Your luck is shit

[scarlet fulcrum]

Nah dude, i reroll often so i can tell. Its ur luck issue

[deft badger]

but i am not going by my self, that would apply if i would just evaluate what i got

[jovial nest]

I mean to begin with its like hoping you get rate up on a single 10 roll

For me thats a hard one to get

Ive never been lucky enough to experience it often

[scarlet fulcrum]

Reroll just go hard or dip

[jovial nest]

Either way, no need to go all conspiracy theory on us. Nothing afoul is happening

[deft badger]

how was texas banner for u guys?

lets just start there

[turbid badge]

[deft badger]

without even answering i guess great?

[turbid badge]

luck issu

[jovial nest]

I did a double spark on Tex2's banner. Thats not gonna be flex material enough

[deft badger]

but was it good did u have "luck"

[latent anvil]

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea a lot ppl spark on there for obv reason, not standard question tbh. But few my alt got texalt from free pull if u ask

[latent anvil]

I was the first person to post texalt from free 10 in salt mines

[deft badger]

thats what i mean

and its not only that banner there are couple of them where way to many people just go over the odds

so that u can't call it good luck

[latent anvil]

[turbid badge]

why we talking about luck

[foggy grove]

what's cooking

[turbid badge]

i had like a few reroll accounts but i never used them

[scarlet fulcrum]

They have luck issue and blaming rng

[turbid badge]

doesnt feel much fun playing rn again

en*

maybe cn?

[jovial nest]

600 pulls. Pot9 Tex2. Pot5 Penance. Forgot the spooks.

[foggy grove]

300 pull pot 1 tex,pot 1 penance
What is luck

[deft badger]

btw i am not going to call it bad and great, since all the banners where a lot of people got more then lucky are great banners

then there are those where the odds or call it "luck" isn't that great my only problem is that i have the feeling someone is tweaking xD

[somber falcon]

feeling

[jovial nest]

We only hear the successes

Majority would rather not share bad luck results

[scarlet fulcrum]

Man its just luck issue, no need to go that far

Lol

[cyan gorge]

My Exe2 pulls be like

[jovial nest]

Cause if you want shitty luck I can share my worst FGO results

[deft badger]

feeling because i can't directly proof it and non of us will ever be able to
it doesn't matter what i say or what i saw happening its all just odds so we can blame luck

[scarlet fulcrum]

looking at other gacha game, not even close to ak

[deft badger]

bro like i did say arknights is great

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah so its luck issue, saying banner tweaked kinda bruh moment

[deft badger]

but u just go on to youtube and watch videos how people pull on banners and u will see some consistencies

[scarlet fulcrum]

wat

[quick pecan]

damn these are reinforcing my idea to hoard for hoederer

[cyan gorge]

Yes base it on the 2% of players that record their pulls

[foggy grove]

i still don't know what he is trying to cook

[somber falcon]

man's shouting at clouds

[jovial nest]

Dude you are not watching everyone then. Cause I shared my worst FGO pulling vid and it was LEAGUES above my pulls

You can flip a coin and get 20 tails in a row and i wont bat an eye

Luck is luck

[quick pecan]

well i cope hoederer stays 4 months away like how cn is (emphasis on cope)

[gray stone]

GOOD NEWS: I FOUND MY OLD ACCOUNT
BAD NEWS: WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

[quick pecan]

that’s enough for 200 with monthly card surely

[quick pecan]

wow you believed the siege bad propaganda

[jovial nest]

Thank god for 150 pity for single banners

[deft badger]

i am just saying that at some banners i see people pull every 30 a six star
then at some not 😄

[gray stone]

This acciunt is level 70 what the fuck

[somber falcon]

looks kinda ok to me tbf

[dark glade]

you just found your year 1 account and realize that everything is trash

just like me

[gray stone]

yes

I thought I lost it

[jovial nest]

Imagine making me more than 1 acct to play

I will not ever relate

Imagine doubling the amt of effort and grind you have to do. And for what purpose?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its not to grind tbh

[gray stone]

it's to have fun mostly

[somber falcon]

double the flex frfr 💪 💪

[jovial nest]

To have fun....well, BG3 is still waiting for me. But have to finish Slay The Spire. So yeah. Cant relate in making 2nd playable gacha accts

[scarlet fulcrum]

Or just for seasonal pulls

[jovial nest]

Whats worse is ive seen people have more than 3 playable FGO accts

[gray stone]

I HAD MYRTLE S2M3?????

[turbid badge]

[gray stone]

rfdgsdfasdasdf

[turbid badge]

dalao

[scarlet fulcrum]

Sometimes failed on seasonal pull, i only log this acc during celebration. Proof that rate up still fine in AK

[turbid badge]

[boreal merlin]

does anyone have any specific operator tips or strategies for darknights memoir 7 and 8 , or if there's a minimum recommended level different from the listed one ? i want to three star them so i can get the sideroca personal letter

info was asked for last time so here is my current roster + total operator roster 5* and above

[sullen rover]

arent you supposed to be doing the event

[boreal merlin]

it doesn't particularly interest me

[sullen rover]

it has material stages

and the shop gives out materials too

but if free mats doesnt sound interesting then you do you

[jovial nest]

The only logical reasoning for doing perma events instead of the present actual event are 2 things:

1. In a rush to get as much Primes as possible
2. Welfare ops

if its neither...you do you

[cyan gorge]

I barely remember DM stages but gravel was mvp for lancers and grudgebearers

[foggy grove]

anyhow dm is an old event,your ops and level looks fine

prolly just change your approach and mindful of the wind flow

[jovial nest]

an event wherein back in those days, the sleepers and sentinels were enough toxicity to not need an actual boss

oh and Lancers

even for an old event, it's devoid of a boss.

Even Grani (even if boss was boring AF) and HoSF had bosses

12 hrs....so the restoration happens during the time maintenance usually ends....weird time to release it....

[cold oriole]

prob to weed out the expoits for that gladiia cake

[latent monolith]

HOSF EX didn't have a boss

[jovial nest]

it still had a boss

Pompeii exists

[tidal sedge]

Pompeii isn't in the EX stages

[jovial nest]

it's still A boss in the event

also i can imagine back then

how toxic it would be to add Pompeii in the EX stages

[dark glade]

the ergate was toxic af

C def my ass

[jovial nest]

you were just weak back then

[dark glade]

back then sniper is just marksman and schwarz but we dont talk about that

[blissful wren]

Im trying IS2 again, what are good 6* ops to use?

[jovial nest]

the usual good ones for laning and nuking

its not as harsh as IS3 that you need some specific operators

[blissful wren]

IS2 feels more difficult than IS3 for some reason

cant even get past the first 1-2 floors regularly

[jovial nest]

oh i know why

have you leveled up your passive skill tree yet?

[blissful wren]

a little bit i think

[jovial nest]

thats usually a huge feeling of difficulty when it's not even upgraded

also

there's how it's scaled

maybe not

but IS3 was designed with 15 difficulty modifiers stacked in mind

while IS2 was designed with only 1 hard mode modifier per run

[blissful wren]

awh

im at lvl 6 in IS3

[jovial nest]

you'll get used to it

most of the difficulty of ISs are the experience of being blind

and not having a straightforward guide

[blissful wren]

Im trying to get to the specialist chips for my texas alt

[jovial nest]

due to varying recruits

[dark glade]

Are you playing in hardmode?

Because floor 1-2 in hardmode are ass

[blissful wren]

no, dont even have that unlocked

[jovial nest]

just keep at it

ISs are always at its most difficult when starting out

you don't have all the relics unlocked

[dark glade]

If ur strugling in normal that means you havent leveled up the skill tree and familiarize yourself with the map

[jovial nest]

you don't have skill trees unlocked

you don't have the good squads unlocked

etc

you don't have the store stuff unlocked

[blissful wren]

oh no, i have 0 squads unlocked other than the initial couple

[jovial nest]

yeah and those are not the strongest IS2 squads

[blissful wren]

what one is good to shoot for?

[dark glade]

All the class squad is good on is2

Because its free e2 without rng like is3

And just stay away from spearhead

When you just start the life point squad probably the best since you can leak stuff around and still clear

[hollow epoch]

@unborn wind if you really dont have the resources for melantha and matoi costs too much another option is just borrowing support units

i think that if you use either a damaging fast deploy or a low cost guard you probably can do the same thing, so texalter, projekt red, mountain, or any one of the many high damage vanguards can probably pull it off

[unborn wind]

👍

i don't think i saw any of those support units when i was actively trying the stage though

[hollow epoch]

you gotta refresh until you hit something

[unborn wind]

ye i hit it enough times to get like a 1 minute cooldown then decided i should probably take a break

i'll try again later

[hollow epoch]

probably bad luck tbh

[unborn wind]

i don't have any e2 though so no e2 supports

[hollow epoch]

if you still got issues ill friend you later and set a melantha on my support list so you can just use her

i dont have those fast redeps or guards but a melantha still does the job sufficiently

[unborn wind]

appreciate it

[blissful wren]

Is Shalem worth raising for IS2

[tidal sedge]

He's pretty decent in it. But he's lacking outside of it.

[blissful wren]

Going on a IS2 grind so seeing if he would be worth the resources.

[turbid badge]

No

[tidal sedge]

Hm. I'd only do it if you want to or you like him. Fortresses and guardians are still decent picks if you opt to ignore him

[turbid badge]

theres not much maps that really want to draft him for too

also s2 defensive recharge is pain

[blissful wren]

I have both penance and Mudrock

[tidal sedge]

I use s1 most of the time

But yeah you've fine defender choices in those two.

[somber falcon]

both juggernauts are a bit too expensive for is imo

but eh

[spark sinew]

you won't get much out of shalem

[tropic valve]

try unlocking some class squads

quite strong

[drowsy jewel]

highly recommend getting the guard or sniper squad, makes runs easier

[jovial nest]

ngl with the solid ops we have now, any class squad in IS2 is great

Supp Def can go summoners or juggernauts

Caster Specs can go GG with Tex2, Ya2, Spelter, Gladiia

[drowsy jewel]

that's true but having a e2 pozy or even schwarz at the start can get you some peace of mind at some bosses

no need to rely on luck but maybe thats just me

[jovial nest]

Yeah first thing I thought of if I wanna merc Phantom boss badly is Poze Schwarz

[radiant plinth]

oh shi-

[jovial nest]

even for BSL, the first thing on my mind is a good NG with Chalter

so the squad has a lot of coverage

even Playwright is Poze centric

as for Ed3 boss of IS2....Specs/GG

[tropic valve]

even then, still Pozy Schwarz

they redeploy

[glass monolith]

At this moment he knew. Mark 2 drone range is BS

[jovial nest]

Can't wait for Typhon

ngl I really REALLY want to do a lot of old content once i finish my all purpose squad (Will need to get to Degen banner though)

[radiant plinth]

the a2s are all bs

[jovial nest]

still 4 more...

[glass monolith]

Unless you doing something like H12-4: What for more?

[jovial nest]

just to "complete" my dream squad

[hollow epoch]

other than typhon who else are you adding? Eyjaberry?

[verbal badger]

is it possible to do 10-11 adverse without a raised wandering medic for the elemental dmg?

i cant find a single strat that uses the units i have and when i tried it my units just died on the first wave

i can e2 mountain after i get 90k more lmd but idk if he'll help here

[spark sinew]

idt elemental medics were essential in any content so it's definitely possible to clear without them

[brisk shuttle]

this

[dark glade]

you have mlynar surtr ines bagpipe gg, the caster wont do elemental damage if its dead

[brisk shuttle]

[spark sinew]

i will preface this with saying that you should farm event though

[spark sinew]

there's literally ling solo, so if you just wanted to clear you can copy hw

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1gB4y1U7HV/

[fringe jackal]

ling's great for chapter 10 because her big dragons have 4 block and can attract the cannon

[spark sinew]

also very tanky

[brisk shuttle]

also the aoe arts dmg and the multi target standard attack (= to block count)

[jovial nest]

Eyjaberry, Typhon, Hoederer, Degenbrecher

[vernal lion]

oh IS4 expansion today

will have a look on ed4

[jovial nest]

the boss is nuts

imagine Sarkaz Twin Knights gimmick but upgraded hard to modern standards

[spark sinew]

those look like...d0 stats?

because they're too pretty/even

the lance guy dash looks annoying af

[jovial nest]

hauc you seeing a vid of the boss fight? i want replays but the YTers havent reached the boss yet

the bilibili live ones can't replay back the older hours

or i just don't know how to

[karmic glade]

he is doing it right now again, just goto #cn-lounge

he used a audience's account, already at the end

[vernal lion]

isn't this just like S4-6 lol

[spark sinew]

no, but i saw their kits

[jovial nest]

its also the same design as an RA map iirc...

but i guess it's less narrow'

[spark sinew]

i don't like to spoil stages to myself

but i really hate how HG doesn't show kits when you see the boss

[turbid badge]

same

[spark sinew]

so i never "avoid" them

[turbid badge]

hauckindu is now in my vocabulary

hauckindu

it auto says it

[vernal lion]

12 hours until EX stage

[vernal lion]

lol

[shell arch]

Hey guys

I have a question

How do you guys deal with the event gimmick? Do you guys just print dp, micromanage and never let civvies panic or let them panic and go around?

[polar crane]

ya I bring 2 flag

and ines

[shell arch]

Interesting. I brought flagapepe as usual

Also hello low masta

[polar crane]

[jovial nest]

Flagpines

even the gruelest of DP-risks these days have Bagpipe with 1-2 Flags and 2 Agents

[polar crane]

anyone know how to get ending 4 in is4?

[jovial nest]

#cn-lounge

[strange fable]

i thought low masta hates is4

[polar crane]

the boss look cool

and I need module block

[polar crane]

clm ✊

[jovial nest]

i just did Saria Y lvl3. Damn it eats a lot of blocks

[polar crane]

thanks

[jovial nest]

I'm strictly controlling myself to only give modules now to just members of my favorite squad

cause i know i'd lvl 3 most of the ones who don't have it yet

[strange fable]

spend 50 ingots

lmao

[polar crane]

special item(?)

[vernal lion]

I like how the duo bosses can use ch10 cannon in IS4 ed4

impressive

basically, you are not ALONE to fight this battle,
there are 2 bosses, and also each other's opponents,
if they are not blocking your op, they will fight each other

[jovial nest]

i saw lion king has ranged attacks

does Khagan have ranged attacks too?

[spark sinew]

smh jusan

[vernal lion]

yes, also increase atk and aspd when attacking, stack up to ~10 times (I think?)

also, Idk what is there a stage like this in IS4 ???

I mean, wtf

aren't we on winter mountain or smth?

[polar crane]

maybe this stage is one of the king past life?

the yellow guy look fit

[vernal lion]

or that could explain it

so the final battle is the battle between 2 Sargon Kings

wait so this relates to RA event

[jovial nest]

yes

but Kheshig specifically didn't even bother staying in one place

so Kheshig's a ruler of so many places back in the days

[vernal lion]

so ed4 bosses are Lugalszargus (yellow theme) and Kharanduu (red theme)

[limpid siren]

[polar crane]

finally a plinker

[vernal lion]

I can smell IS4 ed4 that you will need to remember when the cannon shooting

[spark sinew]

what cannon

[vernal lion]

IS4 ed4 cannon

from bosses

[spark sinew]

oh their skills?

don't they charge it for 5 seconds anyway

[vernal lion]

the cannon deals 3344 true dmg at d5, so it maybe higher on higher d

I think it's true dmg, because it dealt both same dmg on Kal'tsit and Monster

but it has red number

[opal kiln]

red does phys damage yellow does arts

[polar crane]

[vernal lion]

hmm so that

[spark sinew]

oh so you're talking about their skills

they should charge for 5 seconds

and then unleash them

[vernal lion]

but they will take more dmg whenever their hp is lower?

[spark sinew]

so there's plenty of time to prepare tbh it's also centered on their "rival" anyway

[opal kiln]

200% atk_scale for the phys damage and 300% atk_scale for the arts damage

[vernal lion]

I saw red does 1229 dmg first time,
but then the dmg increases to 2k (when 75% hp)
and later is 5k (when 25% hp)

that is triple dmg

[vernal lion]

btw if they are blocked by your op, they will use cannon on that op tho

[deft badger]

what are u playing again?

[karmic glade]

its like 10k in d15

[vernal lion]

this boss stage looks hyped af

[spark sinew]

lol the squad

just 8 e2 6*

[vernal lion]

-4 squad size is really a pain

and ranged op is kinda bad here

[karmic glade]

you need certain condition to mitigate these debuffs

[vernal lion]

lol Red has 5000 def and 50 res
while Yellow has 1000 def and 90 res

[sly drift]

Bro.. What's the lore. Why are we, from exploring arctic, to interfering historical warfare

What is it again. Khagan vs Sargonian king?

[karmic glade]

You just entered the portal/stargate, it might even be related to endfield noclue

[sly drift]

Does the portal just throw us to the past?

[crude plaza]

What's the best lineup to use for 2-10?

this is my ops btw

[glass monolith]

#strategy message That's how one of my low level operators 2-10 looked. Make sure your Texas alter don't block boss or something as boss does 100% damage in melee while ranged is like 24% of his ATK if you try to nuke him off game code

[vernal lion]

I wish there will be an event that we have 2 bosses, one of enemy, one for ally

but, if our allied boss died, then lose -1 hp

[spark sinew]

ok satan

[sly drift]

Thats just one boss

[spark sinew]

you know our boss will suck

[vernal lion]

always has been

[glass monolith]

That's just half of chapter 8 in nutshell

[foggy grove]

tlk as ally vs tlk as enemy

[jovial nest]

we don't need more civs...

also that's called Ch8 with ally Tal

[spark sinew]

talulah is also just not enjoyable

i sure love that she loses hp constantly

because her pathing is through damn origium tile in both? maps

[tidal sedge]

The bleed is really slow

[spark sinew]

wow i'm getting hard countered

[tidal sedge]

Can't you just point your op a different direction

[spark sinew]

i mean that works

but still i almost deployed the usual braindead setup out of muscle memory

[jovial nest]

The only reason I'm interested in the Rim billie event is bunny Dokutah, only reason interested in next CNY is rerunning FEater's 2nd skin (pls sell it again ffs!), and I'm more anticipating R6S rerun

[karmic glade]

screwed if emergency

[spark sinew]

nvm i was right

[scarlet fulcrum]

Bleed really slow indeed, even dronefest became showcase with recent ops

[spark sinew]

bleed felt quite a bit on the other stage

because of how damn slow the stage is

and how it helidrops enemies to harass

i mean i'm not saying those are hard stages or that bleed made them hard, but i would hate the similar design

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its fairly slow on all her appearance

The bleed is

[spark sinew]

actually reminds me of the civilians in current event, especially he-8
yes it doesn't matter and is mostly cosmetic, but you don't know how many rocks they can eat for example

so your "planning ahead" is hindered by that
the only way to know this is to play the stage (and possibly fail because bleed ticked more than you expected and they ate 1 rock too much)

[tidal sedge]

I question how this is much different from figuring op bulk. Most folks don't look up enemy stats

Actually not even that

When you play a stage you don't even know what lanes will contain which enemies until you actually do so. Unless you look at Mapark all the time

[scarlet fulcrum]

I think normal gardener will never summon civs, its just from watchin failed auto of few ppl so not sure

[tidal sedge]

People just irrationally panic about timers. This is common in other genres too.

It's a common knock against Pikmin 1 to give an example

[scarlet fulcrum]

Wildscale flashback fr

well bsl too if draft cursed

[tidal sedge]

Bsl leaking. I should try that with newer ops.

Ling is really good at it. But it's interesting to try it without her

Oh wait. You mean racing the timer.

[scarlet fulcrum]

Indeed, tactical leak good for any ed2. Cause share the same trait ig

Yeah timer like, similiar to that vibe too atleast

[spark sinew]

bsl is really cursed on crown and without a note

[royal rose]

Is Mama John’s New Plate unbeatable on Challenge Mode?

I swear devs should be forced to beat their own creations with super-weak roster

[spark sinew]

with super weak roster, maybe

depends how weak we're talking (but not like emergency is needed for you to beat, if you indeed have shit roster, which you don;t)

it's definitely hard though

[royal rose]

Four lanes to guard is stupid

[spark sinew]

technically 3

[royal rose]

I literally can’t get my good units up fast enough

Yeah, but it’s still stupid

Too many strong enemies too fast

It’s not fair

[spark sinew]

i liked the fact that it's hard and forced different strategies to deal with so many threats

[royal rose]

Only way I can beat it is if I get to stack my deck, choose my starting hand and automatically delete the boss

[spark sinew]

but i liked it after beating it

[royal rose]

Well, I am not KyostinV

[spark sinew]

can't say i sang the praises before beating it

[royal rose]

Nor am I a pro

[spark sinew]

become a pro!

Cirno beat it with just one 6* for example

so it's not like it's that hard of a stage

[royal rose]

Yeah, with perfect draws and plays and artifacts

Those damn DP draining BS units should be removed

[spark sinew]

what artifacts

[royal rose]

This kind of difficulty should be punished

[royal rose]

the device thingy you pick at the start

[spark sinew]

ah, so not rng
didn't seem like he had perfect draw either

but it's not like you're punished for resetting

[royal rose]

You literally need to be able to move your whole team up

Or deploy super fast

Literally can’t win with this team

Literally five seconds into the stage one gazillion mobs show up

Just fire whoever made this stage

[dark violet]

Sounds like a skill issue

Use dorothy

[spark sinew]

eyja s2 is kinda eugh, if we gonna critique

eyja or suzu early on can wipe/slow down stuff for you to deploy i believe

to setup a typical mlynar carry probably not too familiar with mlynar centric strats

[royal rose]

God this stage is a crime against humanity

[dark violet]

No

[royal rose]

Whoever made it should be forced to SilverGun it

[spark sinew]

wait is this GG s2

[royal rose]

While being beaten with a stick

The problem is I need to build three lanes at once plus a carry

[spark sinew]

it doesn't look like s3

[royal rose]

That is just not possible

It is S2

But I literally can’t build theee blockers + a carry

It is impossible

Not in the type we get

[dark violet]

This map makes melee ops a lot more important. You have way too many casters

[spark sinew]

@tropic valve make him borrow a schwarz instead of getting a mlynar

[royal rose]

What should I run then?

I don’t have any mega-stacked super strats

[dark violet]

Guards

[royal rose]

Yeah, but they Guard equipment is bad though?

Who would I run anyway?

[dark violet]

Specter is super advantaged here

[royal rose]

Lords are too squishy

[spark sinew]

well all the casters suck, if we're being honest
except gg eyja
their stacks are also ew
either bring snipers or bring another melee carry like penance and run more vgs

[royal rose]

And so is Mountain

And the DP drain is pain

Snipers are also too weak

ASPD is cool, but they just do chip damage in the long run

Caster stacks are also nutty

[dark violet]

You could go AH goo, makes ot easy

[spark sinew]

they're cheaper and they have better equipment

[royal rose]

SP regen is prime real estate

[spark sinew]

i mean casters stacks are...alright

[dark violet]

What A B are tou using

Please no aspd for sniper

[spark sinew]

i won't say they're better than snipers
but you clearly have the issue with casters costing a lot, so this affects you: can't deploy in time

||sniper A are better, what||

[royal rose]

A on Sniper

[dark violet]

Sniper B is much better here. More atk and health

[spark sinew]

oh, here
hmm

idk i usually run sniper a, if any
because they're nutty on gg

if you're using good skill

[dark violet]

There's no ranged tiles so it's valuable

[spark sinew]

yeah that's fair

[royal rose]

I mean, GG is so squishy and her ATK is so low

Marksman Snipers also have very low attack

[spark sinew]

gg also solves this map dp drain devices later on

[royal rose]

I basically need one thingamabob to rule them all

[dark violet]

Also I started using snoper B in general because more atk is more valuable for dorothy. Aspd is useless

[spark sinew]

i would rec you to drop casters honestly, in the future at least
try snipers just as pure stacks

don't bother with getting "value" out of them

[dark violet]

If you use casters pick durin

[royal rose]

Crap

[spark sinew]

you can add like chalter pozy and shred, but outside of that, just pick cheap shit

[royal rose]

I don’t know what to do

I don’t have Dorothy

[dark violet]

Find another believer in support

[royal rose]

I am not sure what equipment to pick or anything

I want to cry

[spark sinew]

this can def clear, don't reset

[dark violet]

Yeah, good vanguards

[spark sinew]

did you try eyja s3 (also swap gg to s3)
get some vangs early, get eyja/suzu to stall

and setup your mlynar

[royal rose]

I reset

To hell with SSS

[dark violet]

Sadge

[spark sinew]

your call

[dark violet]

Dorothy is able to carry tgis map, you just need 3 extra healing bodies and the mines will deal with the boss, the devices and the enemies

AH and dorothy stomp it

[royal rose]

Yeah, only Dorothy I have on my Friends list is S3M2 and has no module

[dark violet]

Rip. Mine is no pots, but I could set her for one day I guess

Stack +40% atk guards on her. Only 1, max 2 sp stacks, more is waste

[vernal lion]

sniper b is good for mountain fr

[spark sinew]

can also defender b on other maps

[vernal lion]

I think Gladiia work too

[dark violet]

Yeah AH and dorothy means I'm a snoper B believer now

[spark sinew]

run sniper b on aak

only god and himself can keep it alive now

[royal rose]

Wait, I thought SP stacks were the best ones?

Just spam skills forever?

[dark violet]

On dorothy there's no point, deployment cd means hard limit

Also her mines go at 300 and 600% atk modifier, so extra base atk is insane

I use specialist retreat stack to recycle since modt of mine are final ops

[royal rose]

Oh, for Dorothy only

[spark sinew]

i wouldn't say that sp stacks are the best
a shitton of units likes aspd a lot

basically every good ranged carry for example

vang stacks are good for melees though, yeah

[dark violet]

Meanwhile I prefer atk stacks since it skyrockets through defenses

[spark sinew]

well...the ranged attackers i had in mind used arts

[dark violet]

Aspd is abysmal for chalter

[spark sinew]

so yeah

idr any good physical carry though

||and idt chalter is one||

[dark violet]

Sje def does the job

But not if you're using aspd stacks

[spark sinew]

in fact i believe part of the reason why aspd carries are good is because snipers are cheap

that's why pass < leizi don't @ me

[vernal lion]

aspd is usually good for arts dmg, because it's % number
while physical dmg and def are raw number, you really want big number for atk tho

[spark sinew]

🏃‍♂️

[dark violet]

When using pallas I also go for max atk. Any op that has high % skill modifier benefits more than aspd

Andreana with max atk stacks too is funny

[spark sinew]

yeah they work, don't get the wrong idea, I'm not arguing for that

[dark violet]

Tje reason I don't use aspd is likely because I don't use arts damage beyond dorothy who hates aspd

[spark sinew]

but the cost of investment for full stacks is higher, if we go by ranged examples (snipers)
and several insane ranged stacks until they ran out of favor for mlynar penance all were good and interchangeable+ worked with braindead and cheap 3 sniper + 2 caster/sniper stacks

like gg suzu or leizi

[vernal lion]

I tried Horn s1 with +200% atk, she did almost 8-9k dmg lol

[limpid siren]

Leizi sweep

[spark sinew]

i was not sold on her module when initially announced
but it's just great

[vernal lion]

I go 3 spec b and 2 sniper a for gg, she absolutely goes wild

or you can just go full spec b

[royal rose]

Yeah, I suck at SSS

[dark violet]

Embrace the dorothy

I can borrow you jer

[spark sinew]

borrow penance and refine the strat

penance is optional

in both meanings

[dark violet]

Penitent one

[royal rose]

I have Penance

With S3M3

But she seems bad

Since SSS is all about figuring out how to not get statchecked to death

And Penance is both stupidly expensive (bad because cost rocks and DP drain nonsense) and also dependent on killing enemies to work

[limpid siren]

Vanguard stacks fix her skill uptime nicely, don’t they?

[dark violet]

I can see jer sjreddi'g with a few block stacks

[spark sinew]

penance is a premium melee carry i heard

[limpid siren]

Ground carries imply vanguards anyway, so dp cost isn’t really an issue either

[spark sinew]

people literally run her+ mlynar and vangs+supporters e0 to cycle

[limpid siren]

Adding block is a low rarity strat

[spark sinew]

but for current map you would like a bit more (and you also have mudrock already in squad)

[dark violet]

Vigil unironically good for early

[limpid siren]

Probably a losing move for someone like penance

[spark sinew]

adding block seems pog for like

reapers

but i only tried exalter once, idk how he actually performs

[dark violet]

For penance I guess, didn't use her

[royal rose]

Again, DP drain is pain

[limpid siren]

You just offset them

[royal rose]

The boss literally tells you to run Jerboa + AH, know what you are doing, get mad good RNG or just give up

[spark sinew]

you had gg but on wrong skill for some reason

[dark violet]

Use dorothy to kill the devices GG is great too

[royal rose]

Also, Sniper A just doesn’t do it for me

Weak intermediates for what, a super-fast GG?

[limpid siren]

+block on a reaper is a damage loss from opportunity cost

[spark sinew]

i mean knowing what you're doing is always important

[royal rose]

Even so, GG will be atrocious off-skill

[spark sinew]

you can hardly blame an optional challenge map for that

that allows for infinite resets and doesn't punish you for them

[spark sinew]

worse than mlynar, who was one of your cores?

she's the same thing

[limpid siren]

[dark violet]

I remember during the early sss days, I used 5 sniper GG with warfarin and liskarm

Now I can consider other strats

[royal rose]

Yeah, I probably won’t even try anymore TBH

I got wrecked by the first round of SSS

I don’t think I got all the medals from last time either

Think the Acahuallan Jungle made me mald too hard

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Exe alter in this SSS rotation

[dark violet]

The dorothy hunting grounds

[tidal sedge]

Raytheon sounds potentially annoying for him

[spark sinew]

stainless tech

surely

[royal rose]

I literally don’t have Dorothy

What does she even do?

Her attack stat is abysmal and her traps are low impact DP eaters

[spark sinew]

orian slowly becomes cirno

[dark violet]

She places aoe mines anywhere

[spark sinew]

channel when

[royal rose]

I guess you need a super computer for a brain to use Dorothy?

[dark violet]

No, the opposite

[spark sinew]

unga bunga place traps

[dark violet]

Just go boom hahaha

[spark sinew]

win

[dark violet]

You can mind it a bit with preplacing for chain reaction

But she workq fine as ifrit 2

[tidal sedge]

I don't understand how Dorothy got the reputation of needing a galaxy brain to use

[royal rose]

When’s her event rerunning?

[tidal sedge]

The cc on her skills is equivalent or longer than trap cd

[dark violet]

Tbh if she didn't feel great to use in most situations, I wouldn't end up always recommending her

[tidal sedge]

She's the most forgiving trapper by far

[dark violet]

I'm not memeing when doing it

[royal rose]

The complexity of her S3, the fact that Trapmasters are up there with Summoners in terms of ease of use, the cooldown, DP costs and general weirdness of traps?

[spark sinew]

Dorothy does have some downsides that in some maps just suck

[dark violet]

No idea, not too long in early year. But I can share .mine

[spark sinew]

like on slow dp regen maps

[dark violet]

Yeah, that's one of the only weakness

And that's pretty much only for CC

[royal rose]

Or DP drain maps like LT-6?

[spark sinew]

no places to deploy traps?

that is4 new map comes to mind

[royal rose]

Also, I have no clue how she and the AH help there

[spark sinew]

literally 0 tiles for her

[dark violet]

Rarely crippling unless it's ranged only map

[royal rose]

The AH are chunky stat-sticks, but that only helps so much

[spark sinew]

obviously it's an exception but

[dark violet]

Well, chunky stat sticks are what you need to lane hold

[limpid siren]

people conflate resetting the stage with needing a brain

same rep summoners have

[royal rose]

Aye, but you need true AoE too

And Gladiia S3 barely counts

Because the stages just throw so many chunky enemies at you

[dark violet]

Lol, her S3 really counts. But dorothy is the aoe here

[royal rose]

It’s like a never ending tide of nigh unkillable freaks

[spark sinew]

someone like mag requires way more resets though. Dorothy even works in blind stages nicely

personally i think people just parrot

someone said she needs a brain, people don't pull and dissuade others

so there are very few people using op

[dark violet]

Yeah, dorothy got done dirty

[limpid siren]

it's the dorothy solos that take resets

[dark violet]

When she's so good

[limpid siren]

same for summoner low ops

trappers slot into general squads more easily because they don't gobble deploy slots

[royal rose]

I hate SSS so much

[dark violet]

Stacked dorothy only needs a few mines to kill those

[limpid siren]

ling also plays pretty nicely with general squads, because her summons are still decent uses for a deploy slot even in a stacked squad

[spark sinew]

the issue with trappers before dorothy i had is the deploy tiles one

[royal rose]

But what do you even stack Dorothy with?

[limpid siren]

atk

[spark sinew]

but Dorothy also has aoe in her kit, so...

[royal rose]

I thought Guard stacks are bad?

[limpid siren]

why

[dark violet]

All atk, 1-2 sp regen

[limpid siren]

her trap damage is a function of her own atk

[dark violet]

Unironically making dobermann great because ranged tile

[royal rose]

So I need to choose a single core operator and build around them?

Like spamming Snipers with equipment A and GG?

[limpid siren]

having a couple cores is nice

but yea

[dark violet]

Focusing on a carru helps, try to have one ranged and one melee

[limpid siren]

focus on a few carries, bonus points if they share stacks

[limpid siren]

avoid mixing actually

ground carries and ranged carries need different stacks, which makes your deck less consistent

better to focus on ground or ranged

[dark violet]

Depends, since I need atk I share both

[limpid siren]

it doesn't depend

an inconsistent deck can still work

but there's not really a good reason to build that way

[spark sinew]

i pick random shit and make my deck worse

because of the quests to add defenders or something

[dark violet]

The reason is that whichever one goes out first is still good enough to wait for the other

[spark sinew]

actually makes it harder and a bit more interesting so not complaining

[dark violet]

At the end, you could get screwed and have your one carry at tge end

[limpid siren]

wouldn't need to wait if you didn't have to deal with hunting different fodder for each carry

[spark sinew]

it only works on mama john

since you can deploy rangeds on melee tiles

[limpid siren]

this is only true if you skip supporters (card draw) and build a mixed team

🧐

[dark violet]

Ranged tile guards

[spark sinew]

jank

there are two
but sure we also draw vangs

[dark violet]

Joker

[fast basin]

Do you do your sss everytime igneus?

[spark sinew]

actually vangs don't help cause they're only ranged

[limpid siren]

no

it's boring

[fast basin]

I cant bring myself to play it, not even once

[limpid siren]

the game mode doesn't have enough nuance

[dark violet]

I just clear it fast with ly unoptimal strats and dorothy lakes it fun.

[vernal lion]

lol

[spark sinew]

does is4 have shawl

[fast basin]

Sss literally makes me wan to kms

[vernal lion]

why do they bring every event into this IS4 lol

[polar crane]

they didn't bring NL enemies

[vernal lion]

they do

there's a secret stage with all Nightmora enemies

[polar crane]

oh ya

I forgot

they didn't bring Ling event enemy

[vernal lion]

hope so

[dark violet]

Ubi but they're all dragons

[spark sinew]

||sss is kinda okay/fun ||

[dark violet]

Current sss is fun for me

[spark sinew]

you also have all those quests and new unlocks to complete pokedex

[dark violet]

Dorothy certainly helps making everything fun, but there's more to it

[spark sinew]

and you need to do 1 regular+ 1 emergency map for full rewards

so does not really feel grindy

[polar crane]

first clear (module block)
2nd clear

[dark violet]

Yeah, and shorter maps with only 6 stages and lower stat caps

[fast basin]

1st clear only

Even then i dont even do emergency

I missed 1 map rotation of sss also

Account damaged

[polar crane]

yo lind did you watch 's rp clip
look kinda fun

[dark violet]

Emergency spices up more than cm so it's fun

[fast basin]

Saw some clips, gonna watch vods later

🫡

[spark sinew]

is emergency just stat buff

and those concrete blocks obv

oh wait yeah it depends on the map as well

like stronger fog

[dark violet]

Or higher atk on first strike

[spark sinew]

on mama john?

[dark violet]

Yeah

[royal rose]

What’s the trick to building a good SSS deck?

Feels like picking the right units is super difficult

You need like two carries, the right support structure for both and good draw RNG to set up before you get drowned in goons

[spark sinew]

pick 2-3(or more) carries and pick their fodder

you don't need rng

[vernal lion]

quickest way to get all module blocks every month is do emergency sss,
1 full run and another run till f3-4

[spark sinew]

some stuff like e0 bards are really good for the rest of the slots

[dark violet]

I complete the runs for the marks

[royal rose]

And then you need healers too to keep your team alive

[spark sinew]

basically don't pick ops that you think are "good" but cost like 30

[dark violet]

I don't use healers except for fog map

[spark sinew]

i use saria and nearl
maybe reedic if feeling soicy

[dark violet]

Instead using gummy nearl for early setup until I drop my AH with extra block

[royal rose]

Unless it’s Leizi or GG?

[spark sinew]

those are carries

[dark violet]

Durin is great for cheap caster

[spark sinew]

carries are exempt
I'm talking about like, picking e2 supporters over e0 ones

or very pricey snipers/casters that aren't carries

[dark violet]

I always have dobermann for the +40% atk on any op

[royal rose]

Yeah, I kinda have all my supporters raised

[spark sinew]

justice knight > fartooth
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stuff like that

[vernal lion]

if you don't have many good op, just pick some the best op to carry and the rest is just fodder

[dark violet]

Ling is an option for temp use before the good carries

[royal rose]

IDK what even is a good carry

[vernal lion]

it's more like op that is a carry in SSS

[royal rose]

Like, I don’t have Dorothy and I can’t use Mlynar or GG properly

[dark violet]

GG, Dorothy, others I guess, I used chalter a bit

[spark sinew]

penance mly are fine
what was the problem with mlynar?

[royal rose]

Feel like GG is a must on Mama John’s

[spark sinew]

gg is very nice yes

[royal rose]

And bring like 15 Snipers with Equipment A

[spark sinew]

but with sniper stacks/spec B

[royal rose]

But IDK who else

[dark violet]

Mama has a lot of options due to tile free

[spark sinew]

mama john is a weird map cause you can actually forgo vang/sniper stacks

because of the equipment that's unique to the map