strategy

[jovial nest]

oh you mean my screenshot of W tic-tac-toeing herself while everyone greets Highmore?

[tropic valve]

using W S2 against Highmorb

[jovial nest]

who says anything about W being the highmore DPS

[tropic valve]

ok but W Hand is actually kinda goated

it's my goto laneholder for Izumik (no Chalter)

[ivory crescent]

I can't clear the chip stage for guard and sniper which one should i build

and how i place them too

[tropic valve]

if you E1 Kroos it'll help you clear the Sniper stage

for Guard, Kalt'sit + Mon3tr can probably handle a lane

[ivory crescent]

oh wait it the Fearless Protection stage

[ivory crescent]

i try many time but always a lane gonna leak

[tropic valve]

do you have the resources to E1 Mountain?

[sullen rover]

you can borrow and manually do the stage to e1 mountain
should be a breeze then

[ivory crescent]

okay

[verbal badger]

how to beat 9-19?

thats what i have

[somber falcon]

What are you struggling with on the stage? Mandra?

[verbal badger]

yea specifically 2nd phase

like i can spawn kill her wit mlynar + surtr

but afterwards they die and i have nothing for 2nd phase

and then when im trying to setup rocks to kill her 2nd phase

left side air people start coming out

since im using qiubai + ines to hold that lane

[somber falcon]

Why are you spawn camping her
Just drop rock to get rid of her DR and one cycle her 1st phase with either one of them

[verbal badger]

she doesnt go into 2nd phase if killed by rocks?

wym

[somber falcon]

She has 80% DR by default

[cyan gorge]

Burst phase one, drop rocks x4 for phase 2

[somber falcon]

Why are you trying to brute force through that

[somber falcon]

This also works

[ornate pond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g8RqZDD8mc

takes a bit of timing

but just ling

[deft badger]

zenith is all about burst 🤪

[woeful sierra]

is there logic to what enemy summon the he-8 boss does or is it random

[spark sinew]

idt he summons at all

he probably will in ex-8

[deft badger]

i don't even know what he does, i am just placing all my melee ops xD

[spark sinew]

so that's why description says he can summon

[dark glade]

Isnt the normal enemies is "summon"

[woeful sierra]

he can summon an invis enemy on top right tile and a knife guy bottom left

idk what logic it follows

[dark glade]

Thats why it randomly goes into different place and fuck auto

[spark sinew]

i thought those always were fixed spawns

huh

[dark glade]

If you pay attention sometime there are knife throwing guy dropping infront of bp

[woeful sierra]

nah ive had runs where he never summons invis

[dark glade]

Sometime they just spawn toplane

Idk what logic it follow

[woeful sierra]

and yeah i kinda need him to not summon invis 2 in a row

[deft badger]

ok that explains why every sixth run fails lol

[foggy grove]

my auto just cover both case

[dark glade]

From i love amiya vid

I guess it just random

[foggy grove]

but yeah idk why

[spark sinew]

i copied oyuki

[woeful sierra]

NAH BUT

im just having the worst rng of my life

yk how it says 3 hrs plaing ak on my profile

[spark sinew]

are you trying some challenge clear?

[woeful sierra]

all this stage

[spark sinew]

idk scene soloes so we've peaked anyway

[woeful sierra]

yeah sniperknights kinda*

[spark sinew]

ah

[woeful sierra]

need these 2 to body block a couple rocks

[deft badger]

my 0 iq strat maybe it helps maybe it doesn't
ah ok u use snipers just ignore me...

[woeful sierra]

+totter

[dark glade]

He spend 6 hours, so just roll the rng for 3 more hours

[woeful sierra]

alr

🫡

[spark sinew]

ok i was gonna suggest ros s3 rng to block boulders

but you're already doing it

[woeful sierra]

yeah lol

but even still its not enough

pain and agony

[deft badger]

i have 0 content left...

boring af

btw does someone know some good animes? of topic

[spark sinew]

wdym

you didn't do is3 d15 yet

[deft badger]

it doesn't give rewards

so i never will

lol

[spark sinew]

does anime give you rewards

[deft badger]

nope but i enjoy watching them, what i can't say about IS

btw why doesn't arknights have a dub

[spark sinew]

IS is an acquired taste for sure

[deft badger]

IS isn't fun for me, repeating the same thing over and over without rewards doesn't work for me

and i don't have the need to flex how i did menage to do d15 xD

[spark sinew]

?

idt people do it to flex

[deft badger]

which part didn't u understand my friend 😄

sure some don't, i guess they have fun at playing IS

before i spend my time in IS i am going to play something else or just don't play at all

don't know what was worst for me, doing IS or that base building event

[spark sinew]

base building event was fun

also made some units relevant 🙏

[next frost]

Fia?

[dark glade]

Heh climbing difficulty on roguelike is fun

[spark sinew]

well maybe relevant is a big word

[dark glade]

But it really is an aquired taste

[spark sinew]

but yeah fia was used
I've been using carne for stone/iron mining

[dark glade]

now bashing your head against izumik is not fun

[spark sinew]

stuff like phantom or trapmasters were not bad

[dark glade]

2nd RA wont boil down into another surtr hospital right?

[next frost]

Those Clambs in RA are hard enemies.

[limpid siren]

climbing to d15 and beating it was fun

staying at d15 is less fun

[spark sinew]

d15 is way less fun after expansion

[lethal dragon]

So true

[spark sinew]

you have more giga broken relics like flashing swords

[fringe jackal]

I will stay at d0 thanks

[spark sinew]

but then the maps are also a big comp check

[limpid siren]

the new stages limit openers more than i enjoy

[lethal dragon]

Climbing and trying to reach d15 was fun but then I just got bored of integrated strategies

[limpid siren]

and mom being so powerful is just boring for me

[next frost]

Me staying at D9

[limpid siren]

because every opener becomes: kroos, just kroos

[deft badger]

@spark sinew i don't have a problem doing something over and over if i get something out of it, example during covid i spend 6 months farming and selling items in classic wow so i was camping 10-12 hours a day the same spot killing the same mobs over and over for 200usd each day xD
but the moment i am getting nothing out of it i am done, i can do it one time but that's it after that i don't see a point

[tidal sedge]

I camp at d11

[spark sinew]

wow has such a market still you can make 200 usd/day with something you can easily automate??

or well, ig had

[fringe jackal]

just learn programming, easy to automate tasks that are repetitive

[deft badger]

at the start of classic yes.. atm not, there are atm to many farmers from china lol

u could have made 100-200 in 10 hours in the first year of classic wow then the
chinese came and now its like 30-50

raid items still sell really high but gold is like nothing worth anymore

[deft badger]

why, there is a new AI inc

even programmers use AI to write codes since it does it just faster

[fringe jackal]

nah AI is not used in enterprise because too many systems including proprietary systems that are not documented anywhere are involved so half the issues you encounter is in communicating and in coming to agreement with other teams
also a lot of the trickiest stuff is fixing obscure bugs eg in games like arknights or tuning for performance eg if a billion people try and update the game at once

[deft badger]

best game to make money if u are interested in it is EvE online

[spark sinew]

was just curious

the convo immediately reminded me of Venezuela runescape farmers

[deft badger]

i still do eve, running it afk spending like 10 hours in a month for 1k usd

[fringe jackal]

truly their economy is fucked

[deft badger]

doing reactions which are timegated

[spark sinew]

what's stopping people from just using smurfs for that

instead of spending 1k

[deft badger]

btw ofc its not easy as wow go in the game lvlup get gear start farming, u have to invest like a month in couple accounts to get to the point to make money and there isn't really a limit i am running 6 accounts

[dark glade]

Whale do be whaling
China bots do be botting

[deft badger]

i can stack up to do more but then there is the problem that i have to invest more of my own time in to selling the stuff i produced, its not just go press buttons, u have to get the mats to craft, ship them, start the reactions, watch markets to know what to produce, know what's going to be needed, then sell it in the end which takes time

80% of the player base does play and live in the save zones like high-sec where other players can't gank them
what u can make in couple hours (0sec free for all, smash each other's heads) they don't make even in months

that's the reason u fly a 500-1000 usd ship and they have a 20usd ship xD

[turbid badge]

ill stick with my sink water auto button

[tidal sedge]

[glass monolith]

Rock "dies"

[tidal sedge]

The rock gives Siege sp

[glass monolith]

Also i think Siege range is all tiles around her for this effect so you could place her 1 tile right

[tidal sedge]

What other ops can exploit this

Module Flamebringer?

[turbid badge]

2024 is a leap year

guess whay

extra day to farm mats

[glass monolith]

People who age at 0.25 speed will have BDs

[vernal lion]

the rock IS an enemy too, just it doesn't have identity in ark enemy

[turbid badge]

yeah its enemy

u can slow it w mostima

[vernal lion]

and civis is also an enemy too, but it's called "ally"

basically, everything that doesn't related to your op, it's all the enemy

even "ally" thing

[spark sinew]

does stainless device give siege 1sp when it dies

[turbid badge]

yes

i tried that iut b4

same w estelle

it heal her when it dies

also its 3sp

[spark sinew]

it's one

or you mean device gives 3 for some reason

or you mod 3 siege, idk her mods

[turbid badge]

mod lvl 3

op victoriaknights strat fr!!

[vernal lion]

funny Siege Warf combo

[celest bluff]

Csgo scam

[deft badger]

i am just going to say wow...

theoretically the number u can make in eve is infinite

[peak cloak]

why eve online tho? just get yourself better and farm more money irl, win win.

[celest bluff]

The civilian in this event is bitch

[celest bluff]

Realistically scamming 14 yr old is faster, and not many 14 yr olds play eve

Now I not encourage it

[deft badger]

the point is not to scam people

[celest bluff]

But that is just fact

[deft badger]

btw if u wanna actually scam eve doesn't punish scammers lol

if u get scammed and try to report how it came to it they are going laugh

[tropic valve]

hmm I think Flashing Swords is fine

[deft badger]

we just came to eve from wow

in which game u can make the most

[tropic valve]

Mutual Aid being F1 is not good design

I also don't think MoM is much better than other squads if at all

[peak cloak]

thats understandable tho. i would want to do that but Karma does exist, i may laugh today may weep tomorrow.

[tropic valve]

in terms of fun, I'm having fun with the expansion so far but that might just be novelty factor

[peak cloak]

btw, just m6 Schwarz and feel so good lol

[tropic valve]

congratulations

[deft badger]

in my opinion its eve, since there are no limitations to how much u can make
there are people who make millions by market manipulation xD

[peak cloak]

nah thx to u, the one that gives me wills to build Schwarz and bought her skin.

amen

[spark sinew]

it's like
old fan level isn't it idk i never got old fan in is3 but played with it in is2 like once/twice?

but it's super common

[tropic valve]

I don't think it's Old Fan level

[celest bluff]

Pull exealt
The lord gave me Mudrock and passenger instead

[tropic valve]

if we compare getting Anabolism with 1 cursed relic

it's 135 -> 170

[spark sinew]

HG gave me mudrock as well

[peak cloak]

fun fact that schwarz is my second m6 beside the green old Lynx

[spark sinew]

lord didn't give me shit though

[tropic valve]

which is a 26% increase in ASPD

basically no-change

[celest bluff]

HG lord

[tropic valve]

if you have 2 cursed relics already, adding Anabolism is a net negative

granted Anabolism is the worst one

[spark sinew]

why are you comparing it with anabolism though

[tropic valve]

another thing is that adding ASPD doesn't solve DEF

the jellyfish in Izumik have 2400

and if your units couldn't chip them at 0 ASPD

they're not doing much better at 105 ASPD

[spark sinew]

there are plenty relics that you don't want to swap (that give curse one for example)

[tropic valve]

Old Fan in contrast actually helps you overcome that

you can do things like, activate Krooster skill and watch the Dublinn guards melt in Deep Cog

[celest bluff]

Which Kroos is Krooster you guys are talking about

[tropic valve]

Kroos the Keen Glint

common Sniper draft in IS3 due to her stuns

[celest bluff]

Damn

[spark sinew]

@jovial nest what are those 10 ops

i know 2(3)

ok 5, if we add executors

[jovial nest]

3 are not released yet. And yeah....Skalter is still in it. I like her multibuffing for my multiple nukers

[turbid badge]

wtf jusan not pot 4 mlynar

[jovial nest]

Right now if I just wanted balance for any opponents, I might add Ceobe for when the times Ya2, Tex2, Surtr's arts ain't enough

but yeah sometimes Ceobe is a dead ops in specific maps so I'm not considering her a mainstay unlike the Redep-Arts-Group

[spark sinew]

surtr as perma member is...interesting

[jovial nest]

Another consideration for 11th/12th maybe another ground laner

[spark sinew]

but ig not as much as skalter

[tropic valve]

what kind of squad is this?

[jovial nest]

its my all-purpose (unless it's IS/SSS/CC)

[spark sinew]

all purpose i would cut mly

he's too awkward in easy stages, especially going in blind for me

[jovial nest]

the thing is, if i manage to clear the map without Surtr or Mlynar use, it's a map that's weak af

as in my squad would've low ops'd it a bit

but meh, I'm not trust farming with this

[spark sinew]

i feel like hard maps you will need to adjust ops anyway

[jovial nest]

indeed. which is why I'm not using the entire 12 slots

[spark sinew]

or skills (and at this point might as well adjust ops)

[jovial nest]

the 2 are flexible picks

i've considered the likes of Ceobe, GG, and some other ground laners

even Typhon

but I might be overspecializing in another way that might be too overkill in one spot, or lacking in something

Hauc, what would you recommend?

[spark sinew]

gg is good here because skalter

[jovial nest]

yeah i've considered her usefulness in killing camping enemies

and if her arts damage is lacking, there are other arts damage in the group

[spark sinew]

she's just a good trash killer

i would 100% add reedic btw

[jovial nest]

as for trash killing, thats never something I'd consider. A lot can kill trash

and if its labelled as trash, its something most laners i drop can take care of

[spark sinew]

not a lot of things can clear trash in 4 different points on the map

cough cough this event

gg is cheaper and less clicks than using executors on them

[jovial nest]

Can't rely on GG's sometimes inconsistent targetting

but i guess that's a thing to consider

maps that are 3-4 lanes needed

I'm curious what my all-purpose squad will look like in the future. Can't predict 6 months ahead

[spark sinew]

for hard content hmm
i was trying to assemble something hypothetical myself but idk
QB feels not that great but somehow we lack better options

[jovial nest]

who knows, maybe I'll actually like Typhon

[spark sinew]

unless you go spalter gladiia

[jovial nest]

Gladiia Spelter leaves a lot to be desired ngl

I've thought about them

they bring some goods to the table

[spark sinew]

yeah not a big fan

[jovial nest]

hell, they buff Skalter

but meh

[spark sinew]

i don't like how i need to deploy both most of the time

[jovial nest]

might not be worth it just for that alone

I've considered Gladiia alone

[glass monolith]

GG targeting is consistent more or less (unless several enemies same distance from box and her slow causes pepega targeting)
But her damage based on number of random drone explosions can be both best and worst thing

[jovial nest]

for really isolated annoying lanes

[spark sinew]

for this event i'm going to try bruteforce ex with this

[jovial nest]

but she lacks damage when it starts mattering

[spark sinew]

def should slap saria here

[jovial nest]

ok yeah

guys

[spark sinew]

maybe over mlynar again, since boss is not nukeable

[jovial nest]

Sell me on Exalter

this might be the only time I might get him

I know Exalter is an enmity

[spark sinew]

the best laneholder in the game

[jovial nest]

but I have Skalter

[spark sinew]

completely autonomous

[dark glade]

die to BSL explosion without NG

bad

[spark sinew]

he doesn't need skalter btw

[jovial nest]

[spark sinew]

at all

[jovial nest]

why Skalter?

[spark sinew]

chongyue + she's comfy healer for bruteforcing

[jovial nest]

depends. There will be cases where he will be harassed outside his range. But yeah it might be RARE AF

[spark sinew]

• robin and mumu

robin is for plugging boards

[dark glade]

🏃‍♂️

[spark sinew]

if he actually suffers from it, skalter won't help
you need to deploy texas/yato to kill those

[jovial nest]

oh gotcha

yeah I can use redep to remove issues with harass

But I'm still a bit hung up on Skalter with Eyjaberry for Hoed tanking heh....

[spark sinew]

do you think bird mephisto demanded quite good healers?

[jovial nest]

maybe I'll grow to no longer use Skalter

but its not now

[spark sinew]

the ch8 thingy

[jovial nest]

with how good our redep is these days.....not really

[spark sinew]

yeah but if you try to keep stuff deployed

cause exalter outheals his dot

[jovial nest]

even the stacked x4 one?

damn

[spark sinew]

on what thresholds does he apply dot?
idt you can trigger it like that, no 🤔

[jovial nest]

bursting him stacks his DOT

thats why back then you suggest to damage him slowly

Surtring him really hurts unless you can go all the way to killing him in phase 2

[spark sinew]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1rP41147SG/ easier to show

[spark sinew]

main advantage over something like penance is he doesn't care that much if you steal his kills, he's not gonna die because of that

so more of a team player

[jovial nest]

yeah i tend to not use Juggernauts these days

as much as i like Mudrock, sometimes the cost is heavy for the payoff

[tropic valve]

I kinda agree with that

although Mlynar is strong, I wouldn't put him in the default squad

you'll know when you need him

[spark sinew]

he really works badly for blind stages

now if you could deactivate his s3...

[jovial nest]

still if we're considering it

even hard event/chapter maps can be solved by a core specific of 6 ops

the rest are mostly to solve the lane or preferential defenses or DPS

I'm considering if I should just remove my mentality on Hoed having to tank shit

[spark sinew]

the main problem with him for me is being overkill and not actually pleasant to use

[jovial nest]

as in not use Hoed at all

[spark sinew]

he doesn't block for example

[jovial nest]

thats the thing

I treat Mlynar like a bomb

He's not a laner

[spark sinew]

but yeah i'm talking trash content

[jovial nest]

I never have treated him as such

[spark sinew]

as a bomb he works ok but still...his trait ramp up

[tropic valve]

my trash content team is like

all the class buffers

[jovial nest]

differing preferences then. I love to overkill in weaker contents because i get my ass handed enough times in IS and CC

[tropic valve]

Schwarz, Eyja, Horn

and various Snipers, Casters, Defenders who benefit from them

[spark sinew]

third sniper voucher

game pls

[tropic valve]

I also like running things like Chen + Blemishine + Penance for the SP

[jovial nest]

I'm still thinking if I should go for Hoed. But it just sounds like my style to go Hoed + Eyjaberry on high damage bosses

[spark sinew]

i would rec to try run a couple stages with support exalter if you wanted

we actually have his mod, ty yostar

[dark glade]

is this also why you want degen because i do

[spark sinew]

• a lot of people have 200 trust so he's peak performance

[jovial nest]

Same

but thats because she's a decent laner with boss killing capabilities

no one says no to that

[spark sinew]

i'm not that big fan of her art but it's better than typhon and she has not bad voice
but yes also very comfy to use

disarm makes her tanky, and one nuke every 30 seconds is super nice

[jovial nest]

I'm abandoning the whole art issue

[spark sinew]

i can't

[jovial nest]

I've already abandoned my "Waifuknights" style

and just go purely for gameplay

[spark sinew]

i want to shittalk typhon more

[jovial nest]

might as well go above and beyond that

[spark sinew]

🏃‍♂️

[dark glade]

wow how can you read my mind about her art and voice but im not really bothered by typhon because I see too much gbf design

[jovial nest]

here's the thing

this is making me have to pull more HAHAHHA

I also need to consider how UnclePtilo's choices might also be worth considering for my playstyle

[tropic valve]

understandable

[jovial nest]

one thing's for sure....
Only I would bother with Hoed + Eyjaberry value

[tropic valve]

Vigna is my waifu but I'm not gonna try to make Vigna work in IS

[jovial nest]

for boss dueling

[dark glade]

i dont see any boss that need that kind of dueling

atleast not in normal gamemode

[lapis hornet]

weak

a vigna is all u need

[dark glade]

and in IS probably too hope starved to draft any hoed combo

maybe RA rerun will change my mind idk

AND maybe they will do ch12 13 14 banner

which is HUGE for me since it will be ines hoed + 1

[tropic valve]

there's enough spare Hope to draft at least one wildcard 6* in any run I feel

but if they need a combo

[spark sinew]

i don't see hoed being good in RA

[tropic valve]

then it's maybe a lost cause

[spark sinew]

oh wait you mean those bosses that are on the map

[tropic valve]

like a buff army type deal

[spark sinew]

that don't raid you

[jovial nest]

I'd duel SK. I mean sometimes it's almost like it's the preferred solution due to his take-offs making bursting not as good

but I can say the same thing for Surtr strats too

so i might be overkilling it with boss tanking solutions

[dark glade]

SK is ch11 boss right?

[spark sinew]

surtr + texas + reedic = boss dead

[latent monolith]

Weak, silvergun made quartz work in IS what's your excuse

[spark sinew]

why are you guys dueling shaman king

[jovial nest]

if anything, bosses that are dangerous enough, my go-to would be the 3 TRUE gods of redep

[tropic valve]

Silvergun also admitted Quartz bad recently

[dark glade]

SK is RA boss?

[tropic valve]

[dark glade]

[jovial nest]

SK is ch11

[latent monolith]

That doesn't mean he didn't do IS with her

[jovial nest]

RA bosses are a JOKE

[tropic valve]

Schwarz, Skadi, April, understandable

[dark glade]

hauck please

[jovial nest]

[spark sinew]

what

[dark glade]

what i learn from SK is... get mod on nian/hoshi or just burst harder

i thought shaman king is an actual boss

[spark sinew]

who's the best 5* caster i can cope with the -12 res book

[tropic valve]

what I learn from SK is, Eunectes can't die

Rockrock or Amiya I think

[dark glade]

what i learn from cirno is there are alot more absurd ops that can do stuff

[tropic valve]

although I would take Harmonie for her utility (no damage though)

[dark glade]

[spark sinew]

i was thinking leizi but i actually lost previous run with her cause e1 leizi sucks

[tropic valve]

Leizi really needs module

is yours mod3?

[spark sinew]

also would you buy hair clip

[dark glade]

would

[spark sinew]

no, mod2
mod3 gives some puny dmg iirc?

[tropic valve]

hairclip is strictly good

you can always withdraw the ingots

[spark sinew]

also not max level 🚮

[tropic valve]

oh nvm

I thought her module gave her more SP?

or is that only level 1

[spark sinew]

on mod2

[jovial nest]

one thing's for sure, I think I might add GG

[tropic valve]

unlike Mlynar, GG is excellent for blind maps

[spark sinew]

ok it's worse than i remembered

[dark glade]

10 whole atk

insane

[spark sinew]

i'm not doing it unless i get p6

[jovial nest]

Depends really. Still love Mlynar. If he never gets to slash, it's how trivial the map is.

also blind?

pls....I use practice plans

[tropic valve]

I mean same

[jovial nest]

unlike MOST players

[tropic valve]

but I enjoy clearing it on my first practice plan

[spark sinew]

ok so it's probably rockrock...wait

[jovial nest]

anyways

[spark sinew]

i forgot i have promo book

[jovial nest]

my future plans are a WRECK

[spark sinew]

so e2 leizi looks not bad

[jovial nest]

cause Exalter and Typhon are back on the menu

[dark glade]

dont give in

[jovial nest]

I mean even present plans

[dark glade]

skip both

[tropic valve]

Rockrock S2 and Amiya S2 have similar DPS with Eyja S2 (except against high RES, though I guess that's common in IS)

[jovial nest]

cause i might roll for Exalter

[jovial nest]

depends how i feel about Hoederer boss dueling as worthwhile

[spark sinew]

some ridiculous f2 start time to choke like always

[jovial nest]

the timing of the the mobs appearing is impeccable since the stacked DOTs almost killed Exalter

good skill timing

[spark sinew]

yeah but notice how he delays activations

[jovial nest]

yeah its about skill activation

but ammo oriented is a bonus

you know the annoying thing about experimenting and sculpting a personal all-purpose srs squad....

I have to try EVERYONE (roll for every worthwhile ops)

I wouldn't actually have considered Ines as part of it if i didn't roll and use her

[spark sinew]

huh

[jovial nest]

also....a consideration for Saria added in all purpose

time to bring out the notepad

[spark sinew]

||yw ||

how could i forget

[jovial nest]

wat?

[spark sinew]

stupid chest

[dark glade]

huh i dont even place op there 99% of the time

[foggy grove]

cute mimic

[spark sinew]

time to try to grab is and die

[glass monolith]

It is thorns, but yea. it is very fun to have mimic instead in that spot

[jovial nest]

hmmmm

[spark sinew]

mimic would just leak i think?

[jovial nest]

Exalter laning with Typhon sounds fun and solid

[spark sinew]

so easier to deal with in a way

[jovial nest]

btw does Muelsyse's clone eat deployment limit?

[spark sinew]

no

[jovial nest]

still, I have used her quite a lot in trust farming her. Her clones won't get any better from my experiences since I've already used her in trust farming with some good clone options

I'm thinking if Ines is not enough printing if you bring Tex2, Ya2, Surtr and constantly redep.
Also thinking if Ines + Myrtle is overkill in that regard. But it's never a con to keep spamming FRDs

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilj17b-6Iw0&ab_channel=pard파드

now THIS is what I must have for my nuke squad

[jovial nest]

I mean

in paper alone she was already nuts

of course she's gonna goddamn carry

imagine making her talent be a 100% proc

that's her S3....

[vernal lion]

if talent is 100% proc, and 100% ignore def, that is True dmg btw

but honestly, she's kinda very important now

for many different contents

[novel plover]

"just use degen"?

[jovial nest]

I have to research Arturia soon

a superwhale in cn-lounge has nonstop used her in IS and has even added her in a hypothetical all-purpose squad

[vernal lion]

kinda like how Degen has already powercreep-ed many op now

[spark sinew]

i like ines mumu more ngl
or you can go flametail

[jovial nest]

it depends how fast i want to drop everyone

really depends who the core laners will be first

one thing's for sure

Ines won't be the only VG

And I don't want to go for Myrtle alone. Ines has a lot of utility

[jovial nest]

even thats overkill. I've seen Degen just spawncamp Damazti in H12-4 with Warf and maybe a Skalter summon

[vernal lion]

h12-4 spawncamp strat is not really easy

you need to calculate it right timing to not fuck up with enemy order

[jovial nest]

Ok the list of all potential considerations is finished.
Time to read up and then....elimination.

I am underusing Saria sometimes

correction. I'm underusing her a LOT (even when she's M9'd)

[spark sinew]

please don't bother with saria X mod

unless you simp fia or something similar that you don't do

[vernal lion]

be a simp, that's how game work

[jovial nest]

one thing for sure

[glass monolith]

If you expect me to not turn Fia into machine gun, you are wrong

[spark sinew]

that's just insane module

[jovial nest]

ah the raw stats growth module

yeah i am thinking that

[spark sinew]

X is basically fia cope
or when saria needs to heal ASAP

[jovial nest]

cause regarding the +SP on heal....i mean, you're doing a shitty job if someone else is tanking damage that's not Saria

[spark sinew]

i think when stacked Y heals about the same as X

[vernal lion]

getting 900 def up is not cheap for that mod

[glass monolith]

Give me character who deals DoT damage to allies

[vernal lion]

she can be tanky as Hoshi or Nian

[jovial nest]

the kicker is, Saria's valuable in both my hypotheticals. Saria being on Hoederer's back....and Saria sidelaning or blocking for Exalter

[vernal lion]

with the benefit from 15% dr

[jovial nest]

also there's the consideration of....

should I bother with Eyjaberry if I'm going for Saria AND Ptilo....

[spark sinew]

why are you going for ptilo

[jovial nest]

Ptilo's pretty tempting for a squad with Mlynar, Degen, Chalter, GG....

Hoederer

[spark sinew]

did uncle actually say that she's better than eyja?

[jovial nest]

nope

it's the utility

it's like

I can do BOTH

[spark sinew]

mlynar would rather not use sp

[jovial nest]

BOTH Ptilo, Eyjaberry

[spark sinew]

well he can cause he overkills anyway

[jovial nest]

oh i know well not to immediately use S3 sometimes for Mlynar

I've learned from SSS

[spark sinew]

hoe is like 70 seconds duration and decent initial sp no?

[jovial nest]

the winner here is Degen...

if I'm considering Ptilo

healing 2 isolated laners would be easier indeed if I go Ptilo and Eyjaberry

but there's also the consideration of

Saria being the healer alone

either way....Skalter sounds to be scrapped if I'm considering the value of faster auto-rec recovery

and then there's also Saria's S3 as a nice built in debuffer if the time arises

Saria's a solid operator i keep underusing

[spark sinew]

idr last time i used s3

[jovial nest]

If I go S3, it'll help kill bosses with Tex2 + Surtr

that does mean that it's warranted to use 2 Medics

but i have to consider if I'd use Exalter (nothing heals him outside Skalter but does he need her anyway? But Skalter also good with GG...)

[jovial nest]

btw

just a hypothetical

but does Refreshments help Saria get SP for S1 and S2?

[spark sinew]

what's that

do you mean her sp talent

[jovial nest]

the SP +1 on heal

[spark sinew]

she probably has sp lock

[jovial nest]

ah

can't get SP during anims

[spark sinew]

least chaotic izumik battle

[jovial nest]

the only time Izumik fight wasn't chaotic is me getting a god GG run

ok....

Naga

[vernal lion]

higher d = stat check fr

[jovial nest]

you've studied that 15% DR with the mod lvl 3 makes Saria akin to being as tanky as nian/hoshi?

[vernal lion]

totally tho

[jovial nest]

in what comparison?

passively or with active skills?

either way, it's solid

[vernal lion]

passively

[jovial nest]

so this compares to passive Hoshi S2M3 with DEF module lvl 3?

[vernal lion]

yes

[jovial nest]

my fucking god...

Hoshi just can't catch a break

[vernal lion]

because Hoshi is only good when she can dodge tho

normally, most of tanky op can do the job

[jovial nest]

if Saria can tank a shot, it makes her survive better just because of how good her heal is + the medic healing her

[vernal lion]

keep in mind that reducing dmg taken is for all, not just physical or arts

[jovial nest]

i know

[vernal lion]

even elemental dmg

[jovial nest]

that does mean this Saria can tank SK H11-4

[spark sinew]

bear in mind that she does need to ramp up

[jovial nest]

thats no issue

[spark sinew]

this did come up a couple times though

[jovial nest]

thats why I am considering potentially adding Myrtle too to setup everyone who needs to ramp up

[spark sinew]

but yeah for me it's not an issue

[jovial nest]

like Mlynar, Saria, Typhon

[spark sinew]

but you do need to be aware of it

[jovial nest]

those 3 want to be dropped asap

[spark sinew]

while saria does want to stack

unless you also have mlynar breathing into her shield, you want to deploy her one of the last

aggro management and all

[jovial nest]

I can cheat on ranged aggro a bit with Mlynar

tch

so many good choices

damn hard

Skalter can still be on the table as the de-facto buffer of everyone

Hell, Saria can keep her alive while she S3s

So there's merit to scrapping Ptilo

[spark sinew]

skalter buffs are not created equally but

[jovial nest]

I just love the thought that my all-purpose squad has built in de/buffers that has jobs outside of being buffers/debuffers for boss fights

Saria and Skalter are such

[vernal lion]

yea putting 12 perfect op is kinda hard

[jovial nest]

still it's pretty fun

but I'm pretty sold a bit on Saria's newfound tankiness

its like adding Nian/Hoshi tanky levels while having a very useful utility compared to those 2

[vernal lion]

Nian won't get powercreep'ed because of her talent

[jovial nest]

she is still part of the "very situational" category

compared to the considerations I'm thinking

[vernal lion]

mod Y gives 21% hp buff for all Defenders, and +4% (25% total) with talent pot

[jovial nest]

can't afford that talent pot. And my defender usage is so small at best

unless I'm doing Defenderknights or REALLY homing it in that Saria will be my defacto tank with that +Max HP%

[vernal lion]

Juggernaut is massive hp buff fr

[jovial nest]

yeah not a fan of using juggs anymore

unless it's SSS

and not Raythean

[vernal lion]

I'm also not a fan of "high dp cost" op

[foggy grove]

yeah i don't like juggs nowadays

[jovial nest]

there's a time for Mudrock....but her time's diminished

even i feel her left wanting on laning

solid but she really just takes care of trash mobs if we consider it. Why you'd use her is you don't want to consider sustaining her with someone else

and unless it's Sarkaz Lancers, Exalter's job is kinda similar now to that

less tanky but deals more damage

more prone to harass though

[vernal lion]

mob nowaday is not just that hard to kill, but their special ability tho

[jovial nest]

sometimes the solution is to just kill them faster

[vernal lion]

remember those 100% dodging enemies

[jovial nest]

Tex2 has a lot to say to those guys

time to read up on Virtuosa

[foggy grove]

penance has no aoe,mud dmg feels lacking

[jovial nest]

oh

no wonder Virtuosa sounds fun

i thought the ele dmg for her was done per attack

no it acts more like DoT in her range

and her S3 range is huge

[vernal lion]

yea, it acts like some kind of "poisoning attack"

[jovial nest]

Penance's lack of AoE is counteracted by her S3 active making her deal so much damage when attacked. But it is lacking considering how hard it is to get her S3 up in non-SSS

[foggy grove]

i'm just nitpicking tbh
both works but i don't like it enough

[jovial nest]

indeed

I've considered the same thing for both juggernauts

Hmmmmm, this indeed sounds fun

[vernal lion]

the buff is not bad

[jovial nest]

sure it might be 60 SP cost for an actual 2nd use. But 40s ain't bad of a duration

her S3 range is also humongous

so whoever's nuking out there will get the ATK + 30%

and whoever's tanking out there will get the +HP and +DEF

unless it's Mlynar

Mlynar steals high HP unless we're considering Hoederer

[vernal lion]

Hoederer has over 10k atk, pretty sure he will

[jovial nest]

but yeah....there's merit to using her over Skalter as a more active buffer

the consideration now is....

this is making me more tempted to go Hoederer

[foggy grove]

i find it amusing how hoe can survive aak casually

[jovial nest]

Shelter is insane

[vernal lion]

shelter is just so important for them

now only Quartz can't survive Aak attack

[jovial nest]

Going for Skalter -> Virtuosa isn't all that bad. I lose a passive healer and perma stats buffs. But even that's debatable in how low her stats are thats worth sharing

Saria and Eyjaberry will carry the healing no issues

Saria being as tanky as a brick defender

she solves what Hoederer can't tank (high physical high ASPD)

and everything else can be solved by Hoed and having Saria heal him sounds so good too.

I was trying to consider a lot more options to make me reconsider not getting Hoederer. But it's making it stronger

Arturia's S3 solves my issue of a Physical damage buffer (Mlynar/Hoed). It's flexible enough to buff arts (Surtr) too alongside Saria S3.
It gives Mlynar/Hoederer/Surtr the HP buff and gives Saria the DEF buff

and then there's also the consideration that during this, any enemy that procs ele dmg gets their ATK shat on HARD

[jovial nest]

i just have an idea

that if the dangerous enemy counters Hoed's tankiness (weakness is high physical high ASPD comparing him to other defender tanks), I might just make him turn his back on Saria.....and let Saria tank what Hoederer cannot

Saria gets both her DR and Hoed's Shelter easy....and Arturia also buffs Saria's DEF

[vernal lion]

this looks fun lol

Stainless turret solokill

[deft badger]

i am rolling my self a new acc, dude 2 hours now 1 acc per 5min

still didn't get exe alter

[spark sinew]

use multi instance

i assume your pc is quite beefy

[deft badger]

not the point normaly it takes max 20-30 rerolls

this banner is rigged

trust me 😄

ines i did stack up 30 accs in 5 hours with ines went to roll for mlynar then

got 2 with mlynar ines and my wife plays now lol

[spark sinew]

i mean again

you can roll like 10 accs at once

but it's your choice

[deft badger]

lost time on rerolling isn't the problem bro, the odds are

going to call it again "rigged"! 😄

[spark sinew]

i thought you were looking for solutions, i guess i misread

[jovial nest]

I actually just thought of something that will make me be more lenient in all-purpose making....consider the 13th slot to be Myrtle (easy to goddamn borrow). It's not like HG would allow you to have 13 deployment limit anyways. She'd be the usual temporary

[deft badger]

i was planning to borrow myrtle all the time now when i have some cool ops 😄

[jovial nest]

does anyone know the most common deployment limit given to us?

[spark sinew]

borrow p6 sail instead

[deft badger]

nope

but i think its 8

8 or 9

[jovial nest]

the startup's way too slow. And it only starts mattering if the map's long enough. To begin with I retreat flagbearers before Saileach even beats Myrtle

[spark sinew]

also idk myrtle looks rare in sups

i mean is it actually

considering dp reduction

but ig with no bagpipe flags are painfully slow anyway

[jovial nest]

indeed

which is why Ines is still a good one to add alongside your choice of flags

[jovial nest]

someone in #cn-lounge says it's most likely 8

I have to consider this

[deft badger]

i bring ines anyway

[jovial nest]

that i will most likely only be laning 7 ops

[deft badger]

my gut feeling was right then 😄

[spark sinew]

ines is a given

way too overtuned

[jovial nest]

if 5 of the 13 ops would not be laners

then it's safe to say Ines and Myrtle will most likely retreat after a while

and just let the other 3 be the usual redep gods

cycling through that 1 open deployment limit

could also include Ines if need be

[deft badger]

not really ines is actually crazy good xD

[jovial nest]

if enemy is weak, good. She kills them fast. If enemy is tanky, good. She prints very fast

[deft badger]

of all the ops i got in the past months i rate ines 2nd

texas alter ines yalter

personal btw

[jovial nest]

squads are always personal

but its REALLY good to know the usual deployment limit averages

it really helps the decision process who should be the 7 ops laning (1 being the redep)

[deft badger]

i don't know what i like more the bind or that she goes actually invise and doesn't take dmg xD

doesn't take dmg if they are not in her face

[jovial nest]

the bind combos well with it

[deft badger]

that bind combos well with a lot of shit

[jovial nest]

Still need to eliminate 2. It's down to Chalter vs Typhon. And Hoederer vs Exalter (UNLESS I remove GG too).

[spark sinew]

no skalter?

[jovial nest]

Virtuosa picks up the slack

[spark sinew]

i really recommend you to run gg with and without skalter

you will see that gg is basically not worth the slot

damage is lacking (

[jovial nest]

a bit of spoilers. I'm leaning to removing Chalter and GG. But I'm gonna sleep on it for now

[spark sinew]

i wonder why hoed and exalter compete here though

[jovial nest]

Chalter's pros is that she can do true AoE and built-in DEF down for grounded units

[spark sinew]

i mean i know why but

[jovial nest]

Typhon's pros is she hits a LOT harder

[vernal lion]

I think you can still use Skalter because of how good s1m3 is

[jovial nest]

especially with DEF ignore

[deft badger]

why are u people so in to gg xD

[spark sinew]

is she?

[jovial nest]

its hard to consider this when deployment limit is tight

[spark sinew]

the Typhon q btw

[vernal lion]

yea, Typhon is def killer

[jovial nest]

don't worry. She has a high chance of being kicked if I consider laning options and maps with 3 or more lanes

[vernal lion]

I think you should try Schwarz and Typhon on Cliff boss

to see who will be better

[deft badger]

i mean she is good but i don't like that random targeting

is it random targeting btw?

[spark sinew]

she's trash killer

leak catcher

stuff like that

[deft badger]

i remember i did pick her once as support and she let a op leak that was 1 hit lol

[vernal lion]

it does help for that btw

[jovial nest]

if my goddamn squad is leaking, GG is not there to solve it. It means I'm doing something REALLY REALLY badly

[spark sinew]

ok she's supplementary damage

that alleviates pressure

better?

[jovial nest]

so can redeps

she really only shines in tile banned areas

[deft badger]

she does recharge fast and does global but yeah random hits is what i don't like

[vernal lion]

ok you don't use her to kill mobs tho

boss is her favorite's target

[spark sinew]

yeah that's why her value went down a bit

but she still costs way less + no chance to be retaliated at

[deft badger]

i still dream about having a full caster squad xD

need passenger and gg

[jovial nest]

1 ops left to eliminate. If I'm counting actual lane blockers in an 8 deployment limitation, there's only 4 true blockers. It feels rough to eliminate one of them in maps that have 3-4 lanes to guard. So I think it's gonna be Chalter vs Typhon. But if I consider the redeps as extra blockers, it could also be Exalter vs Hoed.

although

ALTHOUGH

[vernal lion]

it's funny if she keeps tracking this boss

[jovial nest]

we can consider the 3 redeps as extra blockers

so there might be consideration for that

still hard to stomach

but it also feels really off to use both Typhon and Chalter

[spark sinew]

oh i'm lacking 1 as well

[jovial nest]

either i boot out Exalter or Chalter most likely

[spark sinew]

if we go with 12 e2

[jovial nest]

heh

[vernal lion]

I don't like caster tbh

[jovial nest]

same

i mean

look at my squad

GG was eliminated (the only caster rep)

[spark sinew]

zzz

[jovial nest]

every other class rep is present

[spark sinew]

maybe i should give into sunk cost and e2 dusk

[deft badger]

i have only eyja lin ifrit mostima

[dark glade]

Why is your ifrit 84

[spark sinew]

do you want to know

[dark glade]

Thats some cursed dog didnt die and leak on cc shit

[spark sinew]

yes

eyja was the same

also this

[deft badger]

better why is carne 90 xD

[dark glade]

[spark sinew]

idr the cc name at this point

the one where we didn't have weedy ely

and instead had suzu

but lvl84 was for some daily on that map

[spark sinew]

liked the design

[dark glade]

Wait i remember that

[deft badger]

kinder like it as well but the x2 charge is just meh

[dark glade]

We dont have ely on that?

[spark sinew]

no

no ely no weedy

but "we" still did as much as cn iirc

due to suzu

[spark sinew]

use s2

it doesn't need to overcharge

[deft badger]

don;t even have her, got her once in IS

she was ok

[spark sinew]

it's a bit jank in a way that you basically ignore both of her talents

but she's still fine cause true aoe

[dark glade]

Its pyrite

[spark sinew]

yep

[dark glade]

Why searching this give me ptsd

[spark sinew]

[dark glade]

That one wraith that never die on full eyja skill

+9 sp

[spark sinew]

crossbowmen onetapping everything

[dark glade]

If our schedule get super fucked up

Can we get pyrolysis before arturia

[spark sinew]

would be fine people don't really care about new CCs

[dark glade]

True

I only 620 and dip

[spark sinew]

that said trimmed medals are way way harder than the r18 which were a joke i think

[dark glade]

On phase 4 looks the same imo

It just the tags choice are mostly bait

On the last day of POO 600pts is only mlynar and bunch of 3★ right?

[spark sinew]

oh ig

r18 was super easy d1 though

but yeah since medal is not timegated...

[dark glade]

Poo

Basepoint

Its all mlynar

[spark sinew]

shocker

i heard he's offmeta

[dark glade]

SA sidegrade

[spark sinew]

but yeah teq>mly

[dark glade]

Is this where mlynar s1>s2

[spark sinew]

😢

[vernal lion]

okay

[jovial nest]

Eliminate Exalter because redeps can be the extra blockers needed?
or eliminate Reedic because.....who else would i eliminate? There might be enough healing/aggroing and arts without her? Skalter's value is pretty good to be kicked right now.

[spark sinew]

still coping for skalter i see

(being "better buffer" than virtuosa is still coping)

[jovial nest]

yeah I am considering that

I can kick out Skalter

[spark sinew]

that said on yato2 and degen she's not that bad

[jovial nest]

but who else to kick for last one?

[spark sinew]

but on others you probably won't notice her

[jovial nest]

she's still kinda good

for isolated healing and buffing as many ops as presently in map

[spark sinew]

i honestly don't like surtr if you gonna cut reedic

[jovial nest]

you're forgetting something

all VGs and redeps get a pass

due to the 8 deployment limit

7 has to actually stick in the map

[spark sinew]

saria won't be needed most of the time i feel

so she's like ephemeral laneholder

[jovial nest]

thats hilariously the thing I'm considering

the need for permanent bodies

and she's also a medic

i'm right now thinking....do i need 4 permanent blockers if one of the redeps can take care of any isolated laners

But Hoed + Saria is sounding like my kind of combo

Skalter also solves a bit of Exalter issues in long ranged/flying harass

[spark sinew]

she doesn't really but

mlynar and texas/yato do

[jovial nest]

she doesn't but it's not her only job

[spark sinew]

depending on where mlynar is located

taunt and all

[jovial nest]

yep

so the balancing act is
Degen + Hoed + Exalter as perma blockers. Eyjaberry + Skalter + Typhon + Reedic as ranged laners. and the 8th will be redeps helping as the extra needed blockers if need be.
VS
Degen + Hoed + Saria + Exalter as perma blockers. Eyjaberry + Skalter/Reedic (in contention) + Typhon as ranged laners. And 8th are any redeps that don't have the hassle of solving potential lane issues.

the more balanced one is top or bottom?

[vernal lion]

Degen, Hoed and Exalter combo is kinda greedy tho

[jovial nest]

Indeed

Thats why I'm kinda leaning on...kicking out a ground ops

Cause 3 ranged laners feels too lacking

And the issue of only 3 actual blockers is solved by better ranged support and redeps can alleviate it

Also if deployment limit goes to 9, its a lot better to go for the top option since Ines can help a lane if need be or 2 redeps can be active at once.

[jovial nest]

Which one would you kick out? Cause if Skalter, Eyjaberry and Reedic stays in one place? I'm leaning on Saria getting the boot. Theres enough healing in that situation

[vernal lion]

Hoed or Exalter

[jovial nest]

Noted

Most likely its gonna be Exalter

Think about it. So much healing in that squad. And Exalter only gets to enjoy Skalter's

Iirc anyone that cannot be healed cant be targeted by Reedic's S2. Tried it on juggs

[spark sinew]

exactly

exalter goes to faraway lanes

he's fine solo (and doesn't need skalter either)

[jovial nest]

Well thats the contention of needing the 4th hypothetical lane. Its almost impossible for HG to make a map where all 4 lanes have heavy flow of enemies. I'm banking on the long ranged nukes of the other ops solving it or the least traffic 4th lane being solved by the redeps

[spark sinew]

it's more

[foggy grove]

eh reed s2 works on juggs

[jovial nest]

It didnt work on Mudrock....

[spark sinew]

usually you won't have all lanes in sight of a medic

[jovial nest]

Redeps dont need healing anyway

[spark sinew]

lemme hold a lane with just redeps

[jovial nest]

Also the pros of Skalter summon or Eyja S3 for such demands

[spark sinew]

and no perma vanguard

[jovial nest]

Thats also where something the like of me booting a ranged ops temporarily

So Ines lanes

The easier lanes

[spark sinew]

def works

[jovial nest]

Yeah

That type of flexibility works

So I want 4 ranged ops in team

3 ranged ops sound too few

[spark sinew]

although the faraway lanes won't be so easy i feel

[jovial nest]

Ground is overdoing

Also with Reedic present, S3 solves more trash mob issues as well

So less AoE is necessary

Thanks for the inputs. Gives me a clear idea on my squad choice

[jovial nest]

The fuck then. Does that mean it prios 2 other ground ops that aint enmity?

Cause thats what happened for me

[foggy grove]

[jovial nest]

Or is my luck that shit

[foggy grove]

it doesn't works for summon but enmity is fair game

[vernal lion]

it prio the highest hp I think

[spark sinew]

are you aware that it's fixed

it never picks randomly

[jovial nest]

But Mudrock has higher HP than Thorns and Gavialter

[cyan gorge]

I think it prioritizes last deployed

[vernal lion]

maybe that

[lapis hornet]

3 years later jusan still doesn't know about last deployed

doesn't seem to care about taunt tho so there's that

[cold oriole]

Ight

[jovial nest]

Theres no way Thorns was last deployed. And yet Reedter S2'd Gavialter and Thorns instead of hitting Mudrock

[cold oriole]

How to beat lungmen downtown with e1 with thorns

[jovial nest]

You dont use E1 Thorns

[spark sinew]

you use e2 ifrit ig

[jovial nest]

Ever

[polar crane]

downtown is anni2?

borrow chalter e1 she carry

[spark sinew]

eh not like he's worse than literally nothing

[vernal lion]

downtown is anni3

[polar crane]

[jovial nest]

Best s2 (e1) borrows for anni3....Gavialter, Blaze, Ifrit

[polar crane]

retreat

[deft badger]

this map, auto run works 5 out of 6 times

[vernal lion]

lee is so busted lol

[deft badger]

HE-8...

[polar crane]

[foggy grove]

my run never failed so far and i'm on 100+ rma

[spark sinew]

^

my run even has executor falling from the sky, doing 2 hits and retreating immediately

it never failed

[jovial nest]

My Ling never failed

[quick pecan]

my run never failed bc i never auto it (chose gel)

[polar crane]

rock farmer chilling

[quick pecan]

ill just farm rma during ic rerun

[foggy grove]

my gel is still good maybe i'll do rocc later

[spark sinew]

139 rma

maybe i should do gel

[polar crane]

do gel

[spark sinew]

gel is also 100+ though

[lapis hornet]

ya I'm doing he6 now

need more iron and stones tho

[spark sinew]

i think rma is more pita to farm outside the event? 🤔

[lapis hornet]

no idea, think rma's used bit more frequently tho on modules? been using that faster than gel

[vernal lion]

trust me, I will use 100 rock just like 100 exp records
because it's so goddamn out of stock quickly

and wait for ZT to farm more devices

[lapis hornet]

ya it's cause t4 rocks use nothing but rocks unlike other mats

[vernal lion]

and when a mod or skill that will eat up 4 t4 rocks

so that is 16 t3 rocks tho

[lapis hornet]

oh t4 rocks even need 5 t3

usually t4s want 3-4 t3s

so yeah rocks go away p fast once you need them

[rugged hound]

Okay I love love love heavyrain...but, how the actual hell does her camoflauge work? Why doesn't it work against ranged casters?

[vernal lion]

camo only makes them to not be targeted by ranged attack, but still taking splash dmg (aoe dmg)

[rugged hound]

Oh, so my units are taking splash damage, that makes sense. Thanks. I forgor the casters can deal splash damage.

So it's pretty much useless against casters

[spark sinew]

depends on casters

[rugged hound]

I mean most casters deal splash damage right?

[karmic glade]

If you don't place another op near camoflaged op, they still wont get damaged

[spark sinew]

hmmm
honestly the most i think of don't

it's usually 1/2 targets that they lock onto